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Na´Vi get 13% prize deduction
The ESL has announced that Natus Vincere will have their IEM5 World Championship earnings reduced by 13 percent.
This decision comes after Na´Vi broke the tournament's rules twice in the semi-final clash with mTw earlier today: the first for leaving the stage without permission at halftime of the second map and the second for calling a timeout to go to the toilet.
For the first infringement, Na´Vi have received three minor penalty points, which will deduct 3 percent off their prize, while for the second infraction, they have been given one major penalty point, which sees 10 percent of their earnings being redistributed by the ESL.
This means that, in case Na´Vi beat Frag eXecutors tomorrow and win the first prize of $35,000, the Ukrainian team will lose $4,550. If the Ukrainian giants finish in second place, they will not get $2,210 of the $17,000 they were supposed to score.
Na´Vi lose 13 percent of earnings
Na´Vi manager Aleksander "ZeroGravity" Kokhanovsky expressed his surprise at the decision, saying: "I think it's unfair because we were drinking water and Red bull during the games, so there is the possibility that one has to go to the toilet."
Kokhanovsky added that, after calling a timeout, a team is given three to five minutes, and that it should make no difference if they go somewhere or just stay chatting during that time.
mTw, who will play the third-place decider against SK Gaming tomorrow, will be deducted three percent off their prize money, also for leaving the stage at the interval of the second map.
All the money that is deducted off teams is redistributed among the remaining participants.
lol
2011-03-04 17:00:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnQB9oHn8XQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=85s
No talk. PLAY
No talk. PLAY
2011-03-04 17:25:43
nice :D
2011-03-04 17:31:05
omg
2011-03-04 17:00:47
oh the tournament is just saving money by lamest possible excuses... they want rules then why the hell is the tournament itself a mess?? what about starting late... what about the most pathetic coverage ever seen in cs history... and what about aweful commentators on their streams??
2011-03-04 17:41:29
saving money? please read the news.
"All the money that is deducted off teams is redistributed among the remaining participants."
"All the money that is deducted off teams is redistributed among the remaining participants."
2011-03-04 17:53:33
the line wasn't there before... but still it is a sorry ass move to punish someone for going to the toilet... it ain't school examinations man...
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Post edited 2011-03-04 21:33:13
2011-03-04 21:32:50
Exactly, it's not preschool. They can't hold it for 10mn??
2011-03-05 00:03:23
how
2011-03-05 02:16:45
may cause distraction
2011-03-05 02:18:02
10mn? You mean minutes? How the hell did you figure out that 2nd half of map will last for 10 minutes? Future Telling! Please predict how long does the first map of the Grand Final will take.
Also it is very annoying to play when you need to go toilet. There are two ways to solve this problem.
First: If there is break, allow players to go to toilet.
Second: Make them all buy diaper/nappy/Pampers.
I really prefer the first one :P
Also it is very annoying to play when you need to go toilet. There are two ways to solve this problem.
First: If there is break, allow players to go to toilet.
Second: Make them all buy diaper/nappy/Pampers.
I really prefer the first one :P
2011-03-05 09:41:21
awesome reading skillz.
2011-03-04 18:24:21
How was the coverage pathetic?
2011-03-04 19:19:01
oh come on... the stream was freaking pathetic... the worst i have ever seen.... super laggy and crazy bad in every way.. the only ones which did work had super annoying commentators all non english... lack of hltv as well... don't tell me it was a dream tournament...
2011-03-04 21:34:52
I think this tournamnt has been pretty good. There were delays the first day but other than that there hasnt been much. The stream hasn't been lagging at all for me, maybe you need to upgrade your internet i dunno.
2011-03-04 22:41:49
na he's right. the stream worked fine on the first day and second days, but I couldn't watch the semi's because the visual was so lagged you couldnt see anything.
these ESL competition are always ruined for me by the semis and final... the games you most want to watch :/
about this thread... that timeout penalty is dumb, if they want to use a TO to go piss it's their choice
these ESL competition are always ruined for me by the semis and final... the games you most want to watch :/
about this thread... that timeout penalty is dumb, if they want to use a TO to go piss it's their choice
2011-03-05 03:27:35
Ok, I didnt experience any lag at all, but maybe thats just because im living close to their servers or something(living in sweden). But if it lagged for you then they probably have to put more into it to make the stream work for everyone :)
And yeah that rule was stupid. But overall for me it has been a good event, not perfect but I dont think I can remeber ANY perfect event :P
And yeah that rule was stupid. But overall for me it has been a good event, not perfect but I dont think I can remeber ANY perfect event :P
2011-03-05 11:05:28
"super laggy"? No problems with HD version here:-)
"super annoying commentators all non english". Non english? WTF? What stream where you watching? There was RU, PL, ENG, DE stream.
Also lurpis from Power Gaming was CO-Hosting english stream, so it was kinda nice.
"super annoying commentators all non english". Non english? WTF? What stream where you watching? There was RU, PL, ENG, DE stream.
Also lurpis from Power Gaming was CO-Hosting english stream, so it was kinda nice.
2011-03-05 09:36:17
well you are one of the lucky ones... stream wasn't working well for the people outside europe... such a low quality stream and still lagging... no problem with my internet atleast...
and due to lag i had to watch the ru,pl,de stream for many matches... the english stream had the most viewers and so was laggy... and that moronic commentator who was with lurppis...don't know who he was...
and due to lag i had to watch the ru,pl,de stream for many matches... the english stream had the most viewers and so was laggy... and that moronic commentator who was with lurppis...don't know who he was...
2011-03-07 10:03:56
actually... maybe you're rig...Wrong!
Because players never said that THE tournament was a mess. until then you can be quiet or troll anywhere else. Second of all the Rules may sound stupid and be stupid. But rules are rules and you, me,or anyone involve, by watching at home or staying in the building, have to respect them. Maybe next time they'll get lucky and change some of the rules to never had to be this way anymore.
Because players never said that THE tournament was a mess. until then you can be quiet or troll anywhere else. Second of all the Rules may sound stupid and be stupid. But rules are rules and you, me,or anyone involve, by watching at home or staying in the building, have to respect them. Maybe next time they'll get lucky and change some of the rules to never had to be this way anymore.
2011-03-05 12:44:04
no toilet!
2011-03-04 17:01:00
I agree. Hardcore pros don't use toilets. You drink, you piss on the bottle. Na'Vi should know that, come on!
2011-03-04 17:31:56
ESL want save some money?
2011-03-04 17:02:14
Nah, the money will be distributed to the other teams attending the event.
2011-03-04 17:09:10
Oh, then it seems fair. Thanks for information.
2011-03-04 17:10:29
true
2011-03-04 17:11:26
"All the money that is deducted off teams is redistributed among the remaining participants."
2011-03-04 17:12:08
they dint save money....
"All the money that is deducted off teams is redistributed among the remaining participants"
"All the money that is deducted off teams is redistributed among the remaining participants"
2011-03-04 17:36:17
Read what i wrote to a person before.
2011-03-04 17:37:25
lol they have expensive toilets........
2011-03-04 17:02:20
ESL think they will put aimbot on there dicks or what , bloody stupid and bloody pathetic from them.
2011-03-04 17:02:42
piss time are very expensive..:))
2011-03-04 17:03:11
hahaha
2011-03-04 17:57:05
:DDD
2011-03-05 13:03:29
oh god :facepalm:
2011-03-04 17:03:18
ridiculous
pay $4,550 for toilet !_!
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:05:55
pay $4,550 for toilet !_!
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:05:55
2011-03-04 17:03:21
hahahah
2011-03-04 17:03:22
Not fair.
If they want to pee, they have to wear Pampers during the games?
That's a full nonsense and rubbish!
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:04:00
If they want to pee, they have to wear Pampers during the games?
That's a full nonsense and rubbish!
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:04:00
2011-03-04 17:03:27
maybe they didn't have a permission? :O
2011-03-04 17:14:03
They wouldn't need to pee so urgently if they weren't drinking stuff ? Like I always see Na'Vi drinking lots of Red Bulls, its their fault for doing that.
2011-03-04 20:45:33
SHAME YOU ESL!!! HOLLY SHIT ESL!!!!
2011-03-04 17:03:58
rules are rules... (y) esl
2011-03-04 17:04:00
Yeah, would u shit in your pants and than stand up before the whole hall of people (and showing u on plazmas (zoom)) to shake your hands or whatever?
Nonsense!
Every rule has and exception - an this 1 of human needs, that can;t be ignored!
T_T
Nonsense!
Every rule has and exception - an this 1 of human needs, that can;t be ignored!
T_T
2011-03-04 17:06:27
+14555 they are just human , and have u seen their giant water bottles , its natural that you hav to use the bathroom
2011-03-04 17:16:36
Agree,this rule is just stupid..
2011-03-04 17:19:29
Not every rule has an exception, but this rule is just stupid.
2011-03-04 17:33:07
esl probably is scared of info given by third person didnt play, sited in front of stage and person who see everything what oponent is doing, so that rule isnt stupid
2011-03-04 17:36:53
ESL should buy some toilets near the stage then.
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2011-03-04 17:39:57
very retarded decision about going to the toilet, but it depends if there are any rules to a time-out? Does anybody know this?
2011-03-04 17:04:01
the rules weren't so strict when redcode played with blood turned on
2011-03-04 17:04:21
+100%
2011-03-04 17:05:20
yea but blood in game is shouldnt be restricted
poor english sry
poor english sry
2011-03-04 17:09:23
It still was breaking the rules, and imo it was more serious than NaVi guy taking a piss
2011-03-04 17:32:02
+11111111
Something that actually affects the outcome of the game doesn't get penalized, but something that makes no difference to the match loses them money. I mean going to the bathroom.... seriously?! Just let him shit his pants or what? Stupid ESL.
Something that actually affects the outcome of the game doesn't get penalized, but something that makes no difference to the match loses them money. I mean going to the bathroom.... seriously?! Just let him shit his pants or what? Stupid ESL.
2011-03-04 17:10:09
Wow! What's ESL going to deduct money for next? Scratching your ball sack? "NAH GUYS, SCRATCHING YOUR ITCHES IS OFFENSIVE TO SOME PEOPLE, 10% DEDUCTION!!"
2011-03-04 17:05:14
Stupid decision, get real ESL people need toilet breaks when playing over 3 maps.
2011-03-04 17:05:23
next time : Ceh9 asks for a timeout,stands up and pees from the stage on esl admins, saying : "sorry..rules are rules"
2011-03-04 17:05:40
hahaha
2011-03-04 17:06:54
+1 xD I thought the same
2011-03-04 17:14:51
Kokhanovsky added that, after calling a timeout, a team is given three to five minutes, and that it should make no difference if they go somewhere or just stay chatting during that time. I TOTTALY AGREE WITH HIM... and what #19 said...
2011-03-04 17:05:54
lol. hahah god
2011-03-04 17:06:28
In stead of reducing the pricemoney they should have deducted rounds. mTw would be in the finals. But since most kiddos here are NaVi fanbois they decided to reduce the price
2011-03-04 17:07:05
You seem so grown up. Aren't you to old for Counter-Strike?
2011-03-04 17:10:05
Not playing cs, just having fun with you fanbois and keeping a very succesfull blog laughing at you
2011-03-04 17:13:41
yeah, and whos fanboy r u? =(
2011-03-04 17:12:33
I'm a fanboi of me. I'm spectacular
2011-03-04 17:14:09
cool story, bro :D
2011-03-04 17:15:31
No but seriously, the normal penalty for breaking the rules is round deduction. But since NaVi gathers a huge audience they managed to keep their spot in the finals.
It's the same with the koreans. ESL needs the korean audience, that's why they have gotten away with pitty protests and rulebreaking
It's the same with the koreans. ESL needs the korean audience, that's why they have gotten away with pitty protests and rulebreaking
2011-03-04 17:20:09
i wrote earlier..
would u wear a diper?
would u wear a diper?
2011-03-04 17:20:53
No I wouldn't. Unless I had taken mushrooms and didn't have a toilet near
EDIT: guess your bad english got you :D
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:23:13
EDIT: guess your bad english got you :D
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:23:13
2011-03-04 17:21:51
ESL League is for everyone, so ESL rules are, so then, there be no blood at all - whatever what country players r from - if there are no exceptions -.-
By the statement "bad English" u meant that i missed a letter "A" in the diaper? LOL
By the statement "bad English" u meant that i missed a letter "A" in the diaper? LOL
2011-03-04 17:42:43
No I ment "would", I'm guessing you ment to hint I'm wearing diapers, not would I wear :)
What comes to ESL rules redcode broke them unpunished, and NaVi and mTw being punished for a lesser violation
EDIT: Your english still sucks
Post edited 2011-03-04 18:09:42
What comes to ESL rules redcode broke them unpunished, and NaVi and mTw being punished for a lesser violation
EDIT: Your english still sucks
Post edited 2011-03-04 18:09:42
2011-03-04 18:03:53
i mean - if u were a participant of the ESL League and "didn't want to break the rules", would u wear it?
my English sucks if r a native speaker English teacher, but sicne u r not, mine -in comparison with your English is perfect ^^
my English sucks if r a native speaker English teacher, but sicne u r not, mine -in comparison with your English is perfect ^^
2011-03-04 18:18:23
How is my english as bad as yours?
"ESL League is for everyone, so ESL rules are, so then, there be no blood at all - whatever what country players r from - if there are no exceptions -.-"
That's what we call BAD english
And: "i mean - if u were a participant of the ESL League and "didn't want to break the rules", would u wear it?"
Meaning what?
"ESL League is for everyone, so ESL rules are, so then, there be no blood at all - whatever what country players r from - if there are no exceptions -.-"
That's what we call BAD english
And: "i mean - if u were a participant of the ESL League and "didn't want to break the rules", would u wear it?"
Meaning what?
2011-03-04 18:42:57
dude, can't u think logically? omg
2011-03-04 18:47:37
How am I not thinking logically?
2011-03-04 19:35:05
that would be hilarious.. and nixons new title would be
"Zues's piss cost him dearly as admins deducted rounds for every drop spilled ?!?! :-s!
mTw wins cause ceh9 cant keep his penis in his pants!?!? :-s
"Zues's piss cost him dearly as admins deducted rounds for every drop spilled ?!?! :-s!
mTw wins cause ceh9 cant keep his penis in his pants!?!? :-s
2011-03-04 17:24:43
Well if ESL decides to put a penalty in effect it's just normal (as the ESL rulebook says) to deduct rounds.
But I agree NaVi should not be denied the final spot because of this. But at the same time I find the price reduction ridiculous
But I agree NaVi should not be denied the final spot because of this. But at the same time I find the price reduction ridiculous
2011-03-04 17:30:08
how about players get more money every time ESL matches get DELAYED? !?!?!
2011-03-04 17:41:37
Do they?
2011-03-04 18:04:14
The ESL wont "KEEP" anything. The prize money deducted for PPs is spread around the other teams afaik!
2011-03-04 17:07:14
esl fucking cunts, not even surprised how fucking greedy bastards they are
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2011-03-04 17:07:36
As Joe said ESL is not keeping the money but it is contributed to other teams
2011-03-04 17:08:41
Okay, but this was still completely unneeded, they lose 4500 bucks assuming they win the final, just for going to bathroom? Just shows how retarded organisation esl is
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2011-03-04 17:09:54
I agree
2011-03-04 17:12:18
3pp reason ; toilet
2011-03-04 17:08:32
10% for going to the toilet? Seriously, how fcked up is this? Is Carmac walking around CeBIT with urine stains on his pants?
2011-03-04 17:08:33
Now i am sure that the most stupid league on the earth is ESL.Guys i need some coders to beat that crap..
srsly..
srsly..
2011-03-04 17:08:44
+1 mate
F*** ESL
F*** ESL
2011-03-04 17:16:40
rotfl
2011-03-04 17:08:59
stupid ESL))))
2011-03-04 17:09:20
we were drinking water and Red bull during the games, so there is the possibility that one has to go to the toilet." CORRECT
2011-03-04 17:09:37
it isn't like there were warnings right? how riddiculous
2011-03-04 17:09:38
if someone has sudden stomach aches or has to use the bathroom urgently ESL just wants them to do it on stage in your pants? pathetic really.
2011-03-04 17:09:46
lol
ESL rule. Each player must wear a diaper during the tournament.
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:12:18
ESL rule. Each player must wear a diaper during the tournament.
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:12:18
2011-03-04 17:09:52
In meaning of ESL they needed to piss in empty water bottle, am I right ?
2011-03-04 17:10:40
good idea!!!
2011-03-08 09:33:48
redcode got off with breaking the rules and NaVi being punished for such minor reason. GG ESL
2011-03-04 17:11:51
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!!!
2011-03-04 17:13:50
So they want him to pee on the stage instead?
2011-03-04 17:15:46
next time Na'Vi will do that i hope.. fckn esl
2011-03-04 17:26:18
OMG, tomorrow i think all toilets will be empty, audience will be affraid of penalties too..
2011-03-04 17:16:41
Ridiculous rules... koreans played all tournament with blood - no punishment (against rules).
You're human - They will took your cash...
I almost forget Stream works prefectly...
You're human - They will took your cash...
I almost forget Stream works prefectly...
2011-03-04 17:16:53
GJ ESL, BUT WE NEED MORE STUPID IDEAS!
2011-03-04 17:18:21
shame to fucking esl. first navi wait for they match vs eg because of this over 2h delay and if the "greatest" esl should wait 2 mins there is a big problem. This it's just pathetic with all the streaming problems and delays. Fuck ESL
2011-03-04 17:18:36
After this accident, no one respect ESL
Players are humans, not robots, I guess ESL didn`t know this :)
this news makes me mad :|
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:19:02
Players are humans, not robots, I guess ESL didn`t know this :)
this news makes me mad :|
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:19:02
2011-03-04 17:18:38
deduction or reduction?
2011-03-04 17:19:03
toilet in these days cost so much :P
2011-03-04 17:20:00
german shit people
2011-03-04 17:20:29
+1
2011-03-04 19:11:42
one of most ridiculous decision in esport
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:21:28
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2011-03-04 17:21:13
ye, it's a little bit weird, it doesen't matter if player stand with his team or go to wc
2011-03-04 17:21:27
its simple that esl don't have enough money for prize , so they need some explanation :-) kinda pathetic
2011-03-04 17:21:39
maybe they shoud increase price to all teams cuz of longest delay ever seen no?
2011-03-04 17:21:53
go steal somewhere else ESL
esl wanted navi players to piss all over the stage?
ahhahahahahaa
esl wanted navi players to piss all over the stage?
ahhahahahahaa
2011-03-04 17:21:58
New stage seats coming!!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3066/2643210543_c3752d2901.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3066/2643210543_c3752d2901.jpg
2011-03-04 17:22:04
http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/ba/baby-bjorn-potty-red.jpg - it's cheaper.
2011-03-04 17:27:04
ahahah n1
2011-03-04 17:27:46
+10000 man :DDDDDD
2011-03-04 18:22:24
ESL started to sux since they brought in their stream wihout ability to watch matches via HLTV. And what now? Teams have to ask dAkInG Carmac to leave stage during match break time?:)))))
2011-03-04 17:22:41
how much is for 3th and 4th place?
2011-03-04 17:22:53
If this decision won't be changed, I hope whoever made this decision gets his head smashed wide open with an axe asap.
2011-03-04 17:22:54
rofl I would like to see someone taking a piss on stage during the final xDDD
2011-03-04 17:25:03
so basically losers will get more money because of this 'toilet-break' ? coool........or maybe not
2011-03-04 17:25:04
Rules are rules. Fair decision.
2011-03-04 17:25:09
Are you working for ESL or just a troll?
2011-03-04 17:27:33
Don't be a tit. No, I don't work for ESL but rules are rules. ESL might have good reasons for asking people not to leave the stage between maps. I don't care what that reason is because as far as the rules are there, the players should adhere to it.
The other one is actually more serious - taking a timeout to go to the bathroom. Sure, nature calls and sometimes people just have to go but just pausing the game and going isn't the way to do it. A far better way of going around it is asking the opponents first if it's ok - they're not going to say no. A little courtesy can go a long way, you know?
And the main reason for that decision - you need a time out when you don't actually need one, send one guy to the toilet, have your little break and fill him in later. Simple. I don't think that is what Na'Vi did, but that doesn't matter.
In the end, ESL is paying these people tens of thousands of euros to play a computer game when they have very few demands themselves. It's not difficult and Na'Vi could definitely have done a lot better there.
The other one is actually more serious - taking a timeout to go to the bathroom. Sure, nature calls and sometimes people just have to go but just pausing the game and going isn't the way to do it. A far better way of going around it is asking the opponents first if it's ok - they're not going to say no. A little courtesy can go a long way, you know?
And the main reason for that decision - you need a time out when you don't actually need one, send one guy to the toilet, have your little break and fill him in later. Simple. I don't think that is what Na'Vi did, but that doesn't matter.
In the end, ESL is paying these people tens of thousands of euros to play a computer game when they have very few demands themselves. It's not difficult and Na'Vi could definitely have done a lot better there.
2011-03-04 18:05:46
According to your logic it would more reasonable to punish them with rounds, not money. So it was definitely wrong move by ESL and anyways it's the fail of organisation of the tournament, not the players.
2011-03-04 18:11:54
No, that wasn't my logic at all.
Obviously ESL cannot prove that Na'Vi actually "abused" the "toilet break" but they have a rule in place for exactly that situation.
I don't see how ESL was wrong in this case. They made a rule, they handed a rulebook out to all players - together with the repercussions for the breaking of each rule - why should they change it now? I'm sure that if Na'Vi had read the rules they would have known what to do.
I'm not expecting every player to read the rules but their manager should have known better and should have informed the players, that's his fucking job after all.
Obviously ESL cannot prove that Na'Vi actually "abused" the "toilet break" but they have a rule in place for exactly that situation.
I don't see how ESL was wrong in this case. They made a rule, they handed a rulebook out to all players - together with the repercussions for the breaking of each rule - why should they change it now? I'm sure that if Na'Vi had read the rules they would have known what to do.
I'm not expecting every player to read the rules but their manager should have known better and should have informed the players, that's his fucking job after all.
2011-03-04 18:16:37
This rule is stupid itself and must be changed or canceled, that's what I'm talking about. Even goverments change some laws according to people's will.
2011-03-04 18:24:15
You may not like the rule - fine.
As long as ESL is paying these people money they can make any rule they want. If all players have to wear lingerie during the next IEM then so be it.
Fact is: this rule was in the book, Na'Vi broke it, they take repercussions.
As long as ESL is paying these people money they can make any rule they want. If all players have to wear lingerie during the next IEM then so be it.
Fact is: this rule was in the book, Na'Vi broke it, they take repercussions.
2011-03-04 18:28:43
They can do whatever they want, right. But I can say whatever I want about them and their rules so there is no problem, I take it easier than you might thought.
P.S. Also, what about redcode breaking the rules and hadn't been punished? Rules must be rules without exception, right?
P.S. Also, what about redcode breaking the rules and hadn't been punished? Rules must be rules without exception, right?
2011-03-04 18:34:04
Of course you can say what you want but calling me a troll because I backed up ESL? Come on.
I haven't looked at the rulebook, but is there a rule that says that when playing in Germany, players shouldn't have blood turned on? Probably not. As long as that rule isn't in ESL's rulebook, it's not fair for them to punish someone for it - simple.
I haven't looked at the rulebook, but is there a rule that says that when playing in Germany, players shouldn't have blood turned on? Probably not. As long as that rule isn't in ESL's rulebook, it's not fair for them to punish someone for it - simple.
2011-03-04 18:36:08
If the word "troll" insults you so much then sorry xD that was kind a joke actually, nothing personal xD
I haven't looked at the rulebook either so discussion about what is in the rules and what is not seems pretty pointless. But I still think that ESL should focus on the quality of their streams and delays, not on the "toilet issues". The reputation of any orga is being built on things like that.
I haven't looked at the rulebook either so discussion about what is in the rules and what is not seems pretty pointless. But I still think that ESL should focus on the quality of their streams and delays, not on the "toilet issues". The reputation of any orga is being built on things like that.
2011-03-04 18:42:30
so if your in the position of the NaVi player would you pee in your pants and let the crowd see that?
Another thing what if you want to shit ? Thats the most horrible experience players would feel, smelling the shit of their team mates while playing..
Another thing what if you want to shit ? Thats the most horrible experience players would feel, smelling the shit of their team mates while playing..
2011-03-04 18:48:56
+1.
2011-03-04 17:32:16
ESL just wants to put the meaning of "nolife" to a new level xD
2011-03-04 17:26:17
hahaha fuckin true :}}
2011-03-04 17:29:45
Agree with the first penalty but the second wtf?
doesn't a team gets to do whatever he wants to do in that time out as long as is within the 5 minutes? or is it because they don't want the players contact with anyone not involved in the match?
anyways next time just pee there, you're not the ones cleaning it anyways XD
doesn't a team gets to do whatever he wants to do in that time out as long as is within the 5 minutes? or is it because they don't want the players contact with anyone not involved in the match?
anyways next time just pee there, you're not the ones cleaning it anyways XD
2011-03-04 17:27:07
OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLO
2011-03-04 17:27:47
Next ESL event chairs...
http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2009/05/21/pressalit-toilet-seats-auto-close-1_j55PC_1822.jpg
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08/loogames_450x350.jpg
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:38:22
http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2009/05/21/pressalit-toilet-seats-auto-close-1_j55PC_1822.jpg
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08/loogames_450x350.jpg
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:38:22
2011-03-04 17:28:05
:D
2011-03-04 17:32:07
comfortable chair. no piss -> piss in chair
2011-03-08 09:46:34
Personally I would drink 5 bottles of water during the next stage match and just piss in the middle of that stupid stage. ESL is just a joke!
2011-03-04 17:28:10
LOOOOL, if i was some of Na'Vi member i would, tomorrow during the final game, drink a 3l of water and than stand on the chair and pee on those intel proccesors and computers..
You can't forbide someone to go on toilet o.O
You can't forbide someone to go on toilet o.O
2011-03-04 17:28:21
FUCKING ESL!
2011-03-04 17:29:33
ahhahaa what a non sens
2011-03-04 17:29:56
what's the problem to pee in between games? Call pause for a toilet visit is quite strange, you need really fragile bladder if you can't hold it in l o l
2011-03-04 17:30:39
How is pausing to take a pee strange?
2011-03-04 17:35:03
if you have ever played a clan war yourself you know that it's possible to hold it in unless it goes on like forever (in which case you'll have breaks to go anyway)
2011-03-04 17:41:13
Dude when you drink water and energy drinks when you gotta go you gotta go :D
2011-03-04 17:55:18
scandal
2011-03-04 17:30:53
pretty much money, but its fair, you can take a "toilet" visit and check some demos or something like that while game is on. Its not right.
2011-03-04 17:31:15
demos? WHAT FCKN DEMOS? L@L epic...
2011-03-04 17:34:33
well not maybe demons, but you could do other stuff you shouldn't do while you playing on stage infront of people.
Would you like to see a fotball match when players just disappear for toilet when they feel for it? is that right?
Would you like to see a fotball match when players just disappear for toilet when they feel for it? is that right?
2011-03-04 17:44:05
o rly? Do you think navi didnt watch mtws demos before match?
2011-03-04 17:35:45
Yeah NaVi took a few minute break to watch mTw demos :D:D Sure that happened
2011-03-04 17:39:10
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL EPIC FAIL
2011-03-04 18:21:39
lol demos no, maybe get some tips from people that aren't involved in the match, For example, fnatic, complexity and other teams are surely watching the match and they can see each players monitor from the spectators zone, so they know what type of strategies are the teams using most. there's a little bit of a chance that they pass that information to navi
2011-03-04 18:29:09
stupid esl
2011-03-04 17:31:44
Denying someone to go to the toilet is like denying someone the right to breathe.
2011-03-04 17:32:48
Yea STUPID ESL. I'm not fan of Na`Vi. I don't want Na`Vi to win a final match. But I respect them.
2011-03-04 17:33:15
watching demos in toilet during 3-5 min break? sounds so real!
2011-03-04 17:34:07
ahaha
next time navi should pee on esl staff on the stage and computers
imo they should change rules
next time navi should pee on esl staff on the stage and computers
imo they should change rules
2011-03-04 17:34:08
And don't forget, Na'Vi still wait for prize-winning money for IEM 2010 and ESL already fines them for 2011
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2011-03-04 17:35:10
ESL are morons yes and maybe SK will get a decent paycheck for this tournament afterall hahaha
2011-03-04 17:35:25
ESl,where money navi at IEM4 ?
2011-03-04 17:35:57
Guys the problem is this:
ESL sucking hard but we all still follow the event and that's what counts. We all shoud have boicoted the event to really have any say
ESL sucking hard but we all still follow the event and that's what counts. We all shoud have boicoted the event to really have any say
2011-03-04 17:36:17
For all the fan boys of Na'Vi here.
In professional scene, in every game, there's something called RULES. Every violation of them must be punished (no exceptions).
So, who gave you the right to talk like that to ESL organization, that organized all this with tournament funds above 100k $.
This is top3 tournament currently, and you're talking crap in ESL favor. Come on people, don't be primitive for first time in your short life.
In professional scene, in every game, there's something called RULES. Every violation of them must be punished (no exceptions).
So, who gave you the right to talk like that to ESL organization, that organized all this with tournament funds above 100k $.
This is top3 tournament currently, and you're talking crap in ESL favor. Come on people, don't be primitive for first time in your short life.
2011-03-04 17:36:36
First of all - ESL is not a charity organisation at all so don't be so naive, second - if the rule is stupid it must be changed or canceled, be reasonable.
2011-03-04 17:41:25
the rule is not stupid, you shouldnt leave the stage while you playing on stage.
You shouldnt leave the field when your playing fotball. simple as that.
if cancel that rule, ppl would just say "i need to toilet" when they want to get rid of the other teams momentum or something like that. It is not right. :)
You shouldnt leave the field when your playing fotball. simple as that.
if cancel that rule, ppl would just say "i need to toilet" when they want to get rid of the other teams momentum or something like that. It is not right. :)
2011-03-04 17:47:20
Sorry but you are almost as stupid as this freaking rule xDD In a football match there are 15 minutes break between 45 minutes halfs in which you can go to the toilet as well, in CS bo3 people are playing for about 2 hours with great tension and it's very normal to go the toilet, so your statement is ridiculous.
2011-03-04 17:53:22
No, they are allowed to visit the toilet during breaks if they ask for permission (which will be granted ofc), however you can't call a timeout to go.
In cs you play one half maybe 30-45 minutes at most.
You come off as a complete idiot, congrats.
Post edited 2011-03-04 18:01:25
In cs you play one half maybe 30-45 minutes at most.
You come off as a complete idiot, congrats.
Post edited 2011-03-04 18:01:25
2011-03-04 17:59:59
Football players are sweating a lot during the match and CS players are sitting in almost static position for about 40 minutes, don't you think about that, huh?
Read all the comments in this thread and think who is the real idiot, thx.
Read all the comments in this thread and think who is the real idiot, thx.
2011-03-04 18:05:48
Haha, so now it is 40 minutes? Before you said 2 hours...
Of course it is a shame if the players can't control themselves for 40 minutes, but that is honestly not that long. Go to the toilet before the game and then after each map if needed. Nobody should leave the scene during a game, that is just basic.
Of course it is a shame if the players can't control themselves for 40 minutes, but that is honestly not that long. Go to the toilet before the game and then after each map if needed. Nobody should leave the scene during a game, that is just basic.
2011-03-04 19:05:55
"for leaving the stage at the interval of the second map"
So half time isn't an option either. How long would you reckon it generally takes to play e.g. a 26-24 match like the mTw - SK one?
Keeping in mind there's no way of knowing at half time if the match will be over in the minimum amount of rounds or go on and on. With the possibility always being there of an infinite number of overtimes, shouldn't it even be allowed to use the toilet in the timeouts like NaVi?
I don't think you can really blame the players for not being able to control themselves, because the uncertainty may always be there.
If it's true that NaVi was denied bathroom breaks in addition to all that, then ESL should really reconsider these ridiculous penalties.
Post edited 2011-03-06 17:30:43
So half time isn't an option either. How long would you reckon it generally takes to play e.g. a 26-24 match like the mTw - SK one?
Keeping in mind there's no way of knowing at half time if the match will be over in the minimum amount of rounds or go on and on. With the possibility always being there of an infinite number of overtimes, shouldn't it even be allowed to use the toilet in the timeouts like NaVi?
I don't think you can really blame the players for not being able to control themselves, because the uncertainty may always be there.
If it's true that NaVi was denied bathroom breaks in addition to all that, then ESL should really reconsider these ridiculous penalties.
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2011-03-06 17:24:04
you're projecting, no one expects you to explain why you would be able to hold off going to the bathroom, it's a stupid rule and if you disagree then don't post anything.
2011-03-04 18:39:45
Well redcode broke the rules unpunished.
Also ESL is making tons of money in this, they don't do this for the sake of the community.
And it is only fair to flame ESL since they have done a crappy job in this event
Also ESL is making tons of money in this, they don't do this for the sake of the community.
And it is only fair to flame ESL since they have done a crappy job in this event
2011-03-04 17:44:08
morale of the story keep ur dick in ur pants no matter what :DD
2011-03-04 17:38:21
Listen to your mother! :D
2011-03-04 17:39:49
with this fcking rules after final match navi will have a debt
2011-03-04 17:38:49
stupid rules...
it doesn't matter which teams are concerned, it's just stupid.
it doesn't matter which teams are concerned, it's just stupid.
2011-03-04 17:39:43
this is bullshit
2011-03-04 17:41:48
money = 0 !
toilet first ! b-)
:)))
toilet first ! b-)
:)))
2011-03-04 17:42:17
From now, every team should point out they will use toilets as coaching rooms or something :D
2011-03-04 17:42:48
ppl are saying "shit esl, esl idiot" navi lost money but who cares ?It doesn't concern you but navi so shut up !
2011-03-04 17:43:02
new rule, stupid people trying to appear, reduced by 20 percent of salary for inventing this rule
2011-03-04 17:44:03
I think it's really stupid... Btw, I'm not sure that NaVi received their last year's prize money from ESL. If so, it sounds pretty bad to decrease prize while you still owe $50k.
UPDATE: They really didn't receive prize money for IEM4.
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:49:18
UPDATE: They really didn't receive prize money for IEM4.
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:49:18
2011-03-04 17:44:34
is that really true? where did you get this info? :o
2011-03-04 17:54:22
In one of the interviews ZeroGravity told that. I thought that ESL finally paid off, but some reporters from IEM5 made this situation clear.
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2011-03-04 18:00:53
Epic fail tournament,with epic fail organisators. Nothing more to say but ESL YOU SUCK!!!
2011-03-04 17:45:18
pee on yourself or loose some cash !! GRATZ ESL
or maybe they should have pee in bottle in front of the public .
Carmac if you read this thread i hope you'll do something because it's really stupid .
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:49:51
or maybe they should have pee in bottle in front of the public .
Carmac if you read this thread i hope you'll do something because it's really stupid .
Post edited 2011-03-04 17:49:51
2011-03-04 17:47:11
+1 =)))))))))
2011-03-04 17:50:56
shouldnt it be -3% and then -10%, not -13%
you cant just add percentages together...
you cant just add percentages together...
2011-03-04 17:47:52
Lmao, way to skimp out on rewarding the winners ESL. Fail.
2011-03-04 17:48:15
Haha, great :D
2011-03-04 17:51:57
omg.. that is so amoral.. taking a teams winnings because of a bathroom break? lame.
2011-03-04 17:51:58
I think the ESL you need to put in place the chairs on the stage of toilet bowls. What would later she did not have any problems.
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2011-03-04 17:55:11
ahhah
2011-03-04 17:56:09
if they are hardcores...
maybe close all toilets durning match :D
maybe close all toilets durning match :D
2011-03-04 17:56:27
some more penalty points and they won't get any money at all
2011-03-04 17:59:15
ESL you should pay off the prize money from IEM4,before reducing the money of the IEM5 which is not even finished yet.
2011-03-04 18:00:43
****the second for calling a timeout to go to the toilet.****
EPIC SICK?
LOL ONE CANT GOTO TOILET :))
Sick Orgz.
EPIC SICK?
LOL ONE CANT GOTO TOILET :))
Sick Orgz.
2011-03-04 18:02:24
LMAO ... made my day !!
2011-03-04 18:02:51
fucking hell, ESL MAKE SOME MONEEEYYY... ANYHOW!!!!!! NO WC!!! I NEED MONEY!!!
2011-03-04 18:03:24
ESL have troubles with organization event! They must pay penalties!!!
2011-03-04 18:03:48
there is only one explanation for this, they are too much in the sky atm, because of the last year...so FX BRING THEM HELL!
2011-03-04 18:03:57
actually that proves cs to be a pro sport.
and financial penalties for misbehaving are common there.
but distributing among others is bad. they did nothing to deserve it. charity is better.
and financial penalties for misbehaving are common there.
but distributing among others is bad. they did nothing to deserve it. charity is better.
2011-03-04 18:04:00
PS
red bull chewing gum needed!
red bull chewing gum needed!
2011-03-04 18:07:10
How would that help? Caffeine is a diuretic, meaning you will have to go to the bathroom more often ;)
2011-03-04 18:40:47
no water no toilet I suppose :)
2011-03-04 18:56:46
awesome!
2011-03-08 10:01:30
Na'Vi gets punished for that and redCode don't get punished for having blood on and in that way breaking the German law.
cmon esl...
Post edited 2011-03-04 18:04:24
cmon esl...
Post edited 2011-03-04 18:04:24
2011-03-04 18:04:06
second for calling a timeout to go to the toilet.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D:D:D
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D:D:D
2011-03-04 18:05:24
Cartman u suck hard. Reduce their earnings for breathing air as well.
2011-03-04 18:06:16
Is Red-Bull effective for CS ? This question may sound silly to you but I find it interesting.
2011-03-04 18:08:09
Red Bull is an energy drink so id assume it would just .. give you more energy? Not sure!
2011-03-04 18:19:15
Man the people in this thread put the following statement in perspective:
"Based on internet averages, hltv.org is visited more frequently by males who are in the age range 18-24, have no children, have no college education and browse this site from home."
Source:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/hltv.org#
"Based on internet averages, hltv.org is visited more frequently by males who are in the age range 18-24, have no children, have no college education and browse this site from home."
Source:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/hltv.org#
2011-03-04 18:09:28
Put ESL on stage, provide them with water and red bull and let them play something like 80 rounds over 3 maps and see if they can manage to stay on stage all the time without going to the toilet.
2011-03-04 18:11:55
fail....IEM - fail fail fail..
2011-03-04 18:13:41
Put a proffessional soccer player on the field and he is Forced by the rules to stay there for a 45-50 min period of time, in the half he can take a shit if he wants, but in the middle of the game, this is against the RULES
2011-03-04 18:15:04
Word!
2011-03-04 18:20:26
soccer players don't dring so a lot in match...and it's not soccer...
2011-03-04 18:23:30
YES they do, and YES it is.
2011-03-04 18:40:48
no look at ronaldo who left the game by himself because of injuries yesterday ... and they couldn't do any replacements they already used it
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2011-03-04 18:25:55
Perhaps Na'Vi should make some kind of deal with FX in order to save $2,340? ;)
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2011-03-04 18:16:45
100% Fair by ESL, These guys are treated as professionals and should act like them, They know the rules and they know there are consequences for breaking them - If we ever want to see E-Sports succeed in the future, Acts like these by ESL will help that as it shows they are not going to mess around when it comes to rules + rule breaking, GO ESL!
2011-03-04 18:18:28
I'm not sure anybody knew you aren't allowed to go to toilet even during a TIMEOUT.
2011-03-04 18:21:54
Timeouts are meant to regain the teams focus - Talk strats or to just regroup if your rounds down. toilet/cigarette breaks are for half-team, Na`Vi knows this.
2011-03-04 18:38:18
You cannot take a timeout to pee simply because you can ruin your opponent's momentum/mental by taking a timeout simply to pee. Considering you have 10 minutes in the half time, you can use 2 of those 10 minutes to do your natural needs.
2011-03-04 18:20:04
1 word: ridiculous
CS is slowly disappearing (France etc.)and now with price-cutting money rewards from reasons like this is just rediculous
tbh if it was me who had to play serious like these guys do and i had to pee at the same time i would not be able to focus on the game.
1 major penalty point for going to the toilet is too much...
CS is slowly disappearing (France etc.)and now with price-cutting money rewards from reasons like this is just rediculous
tbh if it was me who had to play serious like these guys do and i had to pee at the same time i would not be able to focus on the game.
1 major penalty point for going to the toilet is too much...
2011-03-04 18:21:25
sader
2011-03-04 18:21:37
this is what itll come to, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sicTFKAUec
2011-03-04 18:22:28
epic fail esl!!!
2011-03-04 18:23:42
now they will recieve XXL pampers powered by Steelseries :P
2011-03-04 18:26:35
its fair enough, navi often seem to think they can just do what they want
2011-03-04 18:29:37
true man, theyre not gentelmans they just scream like peccarys, and swear in russian. Ofc people dont understand most of the time what they r saying, but this decision maybe makes them think a lil bit about that.
2011-03-04 18:38:27
FUCK YOU ESL!
2011-03-04 18:29:56
Yeah thats it, Be annoyed at the one thing keeping competitive CS1.6 alive .. Good idea buddy.
2011-03-04 18:39:20
thanks for the information mate :)
2011-03-05 00:55:51
Thats nice! Other teams will have more.
2011-03-04 18:33:48
navi doesnt even try to respect any rules. net_graph, insulting, timeouts and so on.
we arent in ukraine ;)
we arent in ukraine ;)
2011-03-04 18:36:19
and still they won everyone, so they dont care.
2011-03-04 18:43:08
esport should be based on fairplay and if navi is unable to respect rules, they will get the consequences.
this rules have to be followed by russians, ukrainians or germans.
this rules have to be followed by russians, ukrainians or germans.
2011-03-04 18:51:12
piss on Na'Vi ;)
2011-03-04 18:40:45
Na`Vi often ignore the rules, show up late to match times, etc.
Glad they are getting punished for once.
Glad they are getting punished for once.
2011-03-04 18:42:24
ofc SK need 50 euros for beer, coz they will loose tommorow.
2011-03-04 18:44:09
so stoped
2011-03-04 18:44:59
ahaha it's unfair because Na'Vi this should make no difference if they go somewhere or just stay chatting during that time. )))
2011-03-04 18:47:46
"All the money that is deducted off teams is redistributed among the remaining participants. "
love it :d
love it :d
2011-03-04 18:48:28
Over 4 thousand dollars for going to the WC? Is there a "YOU've Been Punk'D" episode going on down there?
2011-03-04 18:52:09
Steelseries, Logitech, Razer should make pee supporter so players wont pee on their pants..
anyway ESL RULES IS Total NONSENSE. Maybe because the admins dont pee
Post edited 2011-03-04 18:57:07
anyway ESL RULES IS Total NONSENSE. Maybe because the admins dont pee
Post edited 2011-03-04 18:57:07
2011-03-04 18:56:26
what if one gets diarea? according to esl rules, he should sit on the chair and shit his pants
2011-03-04 18:57:11
he should not play if he has diarrhea but what if he wants to shit. He can use the processor as a toilet instead or use the mousepad as a toilepaper
2011-03-04 18:58:01
you can get diarea after eating a sandwich, thanks for pointing out esl's not so obvious solution
2011-03-04 19:09:41
bad idea, not use the mousepad as a toilepaper.
2011-04-10 05:08:27
these rules : usefull as a bicycle to a fish...
2011-03-04 18:57:44
wahahahah go to toilet under yourself !!!! THE MAIN RULE OF IEM.....wtf ? :D:D
2011-03-04 19:04:34
Retarded punishment for going to toilet. If i were some of Na`Vi players i would take a shit on this main stage just in protest.
2011-03-04 19:04:39
Lol your idea rocks.
Let's see if those ESL professionals are willing to clean all the urine and feces made by players on stage.
Can't imagine if a player were to fall ill in the middle of the game. Will the whole team get penalized for rushing his teammate to the hospital?
Let's see if those ESL professionals are willing to clean all the urine and feces made by players on stage.
Can't imagine if a player were to fall ill in the middle of the game. Will the whole team get penalized for rushing his teammate to the hospital?
2011-03-04 20:06:03
ahahahah
2011-03-04 23:16:25
im amazed at how many people here are not looking at it from ESL side
They are a BUSINESS hosting an event for players to ensure fair play. They are hosting a broadcast for 30,000 people (idk the exact number) that are looking to see the match in a timely fashion (you all know you complain about delays anyway). A timeout to go the bathroom in the middle of a map CAN give them an unfair advantage if they recieve help from someone (ie getting told from someone watching the live stream they are smoking mid and pushing 2 every time). That is something that will be very hard to control and the rule should be in place. Going to the bathroom inbetween maps is completely justified since you are on a break of playing.
I cant really think of any good reason why a person cant relieve themself before they are going to play on stage when they know they are going to be up there for an extended period of time. Its like going for a long car ride you always go right before you leave.
I do think it was wrong for Redcode not to get penalized for the blood, but since they didnt make it out of the group anyway what punishment is really needed.
They are a BUSINESS hosting an event for players to ensure fair play. They are hosting a broadcast for 30,000 people (idk the exact number) that are looking to see the match in a timely fashion (you all know you complain about delays anyway). A timeout to go the bathroom in the middle of a map CAN give them an unfair advantage if they recieve help from someone (ie getting told from someone watching the live stream they are smoking mid and pushing 2 every time). That is something that will be very hard to control and the rule should be in place. Going to the bathroom inbetween maps is completely justified since you are on a break of playing.
I cant really think of any good reason why a person cant relieve themself before they are going to play on stage when they know they are going to be up there for an extended period of time. Its like going for a long car ride you always go right before you leave.
I do think it was wrong for Redcode not to get penalized for the blood, but since they didnt make it out of the group anyway what punishment is really needed.
2011-03-04 19:11:14
Exactly.
2011-03-04 20:56:55
"for leaving the stage at the interval of the second map"
So half time isn't an option either. How long would you reckon it generally takes to play e.g. a 26-24 match like the mTw - SK one?
Keeping in mind there's no way of knowing at half time if the match will be over in the minimum amount of rounds or go on and on. With the possibility always being there of an infinite number of overtimes, shouldn't it even be allowed to use the toilet in the timeouts like NaVi?
I don't think you can really blame the players for not being able to control themselves, because the uncertainty may always be there.
If it's true that NaVi was denied bathroom breaks in addition to all that, then ESL should really reconsider these ridiculous penalties.
Post edited 2011-03-06 17:30:16
So half time isn't an option either. How long would you reckon it generally takes to play e.g. a 26-24 match like the mTw - SK one?
Keeping in mind there's no way of knowing at half time if the match will be over in the minimum amount of rounds or go on and on. With the possibility always being there of an infinite number of overtimes, shouldn't it even be allowed to use the toilet in the timeouts like NaVi?
I don't think you can really blame the players for not being able to control themselves, because the uncertainty may always be there.
If it's true that NaVi was denied bathroom breaks in addition to all that, then ESL should really reconsider these ridiculous penalties.
Post edited 2011-03-06 17:30:16
2011-03-06 17:29:26
hahaha nice!
2011-03-04 19:31:02
"I think it's unfair because we were drinking water and Red bull during the games"
HURR WHO THE FUCK FORCED YOU TO DRINK WATER AND RED BULL DURING THE GAMES?
You get a penalty for breaking the rules? Well no shit.
HURR WHO THE FUCK FORCED YOU TO DRINK WATER AND RED BULL DURING THE GAMES?
You get a penalty for breaking the rules? Well no shit.
2011-03-04 19:32:47
Oh yes , it would be better if they didnt drink anything , they would probably feel exhausted but who cares?
2011-03-04 20:11:43
If you get exhausted playing CS you're probably a fat slob, and in that case you again have no one to blame but you.
Of course this is all far too complicated for the 12-year old eastern-Europeans who seem to reign over these forums these days.
Understandable, it must be great to get a few wins after a few hundred years of constant failing.
Of course this is all far too complicated for the 12-year old eastern-Europeans who seem to reign over these forums these days.
Understandable, it must be great to get a few wins after a few hundred years of constant failing.
2011-03-05 11:31:14
You just want to attack someone becouse you are probably little dick in real life. First i don't even like Na`Vi , second Bosnia doesn't have anything with Ukrain(use google earth please) , third you should sit three hours speaking to teammates and not taking any drink , then you should tell me how you feel , fourth what few hundred years of constant failing?
2011-03-05 11:41:55
LOL, this greedy idiots should die :/
2011-03-04 19:34:58
fx powah:(
navi 14.800 :^^^
navi 14.800 :^^^
2011-03-04 19:40:16
pfff... what they are supposed to do? pee in they r pants? awesome ...
Fail decision .
Fail decision .
2011-03-04 19:41:06
yeah, that sound funny lol !
I guess they should've asked, or who knows.
this seems stupid, really.
I guess they should've asked, or who knows.
this seems stupid, really.
2011-03-04 20:17:25
Does wet zeus' trousers worth it?=)))
2011-03-04 19:43:55
How the fuck they can reduce money for 2011 if they didn't pay for 2010?))))))))))))
2011-03-04 19:44:24
Where is the prize money for the seasons 2009 and 2010? And they still talk about the rules? how much can you delay the payments?
2011-03-04 19:47:34
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHA This is really silly...HILARIOUS... Fucking stupid ESL. I hope everyone from ESL can't go to pee in the next 24hrs.
2011-03-04 20:16:36
cool =]]
god save you lol
god save you lol
2011-04-10 05:12:42
lol
2011-03-04 20:21:27
The players can go to the toilet between the maps and not killing the opponents concentration because they drink too much.
I didnt see the problem at all to be honest. When you organize a tournament like the IEM you need rules (some are discussible but that's NOT THE POINT). The Teams know the rules before the tournament and have an option if they dont accept these rules:
Don't participate. Where is the problem?
They don't act like professionals.
I didnt see the problem at all to be honest. When you organize a tournament like the IEM you need rules (some are discussible but that's NOT THE POINT). The Teams know the rules before the tournament and have an option if they dont accept these rules:
Don't participate. Where is the problem?
They don't act like professionals.
2011-03-04 20:23:03
They act like professionals. Ye, they lost some money, but scene is still dry.
2011-03-04 20:26:10
A major penalty point was awarded for going to pee? WOW!!
Just make the person who took this decision read this article and maybe just maybe he will see just how FKIN DUMB this is.
I CANT BELIVE THE DUMBFUCKS INVOLVED IN THIS!
Just make the person who took this decision read this article and maybe just maybe he will see just how FKIN DUMB this is.
I CANT BELIVE THE DUMBFUCKS INVOLVED IN THIS!
2011-03-04 20:25:08
So when a Player gets tired and uses the Timeout to take a nap, what's your comment then?
"A Major penalty point was awarded for having a nap??
WOW HUMANS NEED TO SLEEP "
"A Major penalty point was awarded for having a nap??
WOW HUMANS NEED TO SLEEP "
2011-03-04 20:32:25
So basically u dont c the difference between a nap and a loo-break?
Cmon dont post BS arguments just for the heck of it.
Cmon dont post BS arguments just for the heck of it.
2011-03-04 20:56:46
That's not the point at all.
You need to define what is allowed in timeouts and what is not. The ESL frame the rule, that the players can relieve themselves in the breaks between the maps and not in the timeouts because they don't want to disrupt the game (and the player's concentration) only cause of someone who needs to take a piss and was too lazy doing it in the break.
The Teammanager should know these rules and it's his fault when the players don't stick to the rules.
You need to define what is allowed in timeouts and what is not. The ESL frame the rule, that the players can relieve themselves in the breaks between the maps and not in the timeouts because they don't want to disrupt the game (and the player's concentration) only cause of someone who needs to take a piss and was too lazy doing it in the break.
The Teammanager should know these rules and it's his fault when the players don't stick to the rules.
2011-03-04 21:09:31
i am so sorry but esl do that ))))
2011-03-04 20:25:38
I'm kind of happy and sad about this, more sad than happy. Happy because I hate ceh9 he absolutely shows no respect for his opponent at all. Sad because this shouldn't be a reason to take 13% of the prize money. SUCK ON THAT CEH9!
2011-03-04 20:27:51
I have the same feelings :) The decision is retarded no doubt. I'm Ukrainian and I support NaVi, but ceh9 is unmanner and I really dislike him.
2011-03-04 20:55:41
if u hate ceh9, u hate zet too.
2011-03-04 21:04:03
+10000000000000000000000000
ceh9 is just like zet
EPIC
ceh9 is just like zet
EPIC
2011-03-04 21:11:06
Yeah, I hate zet too then.
2011-03-04 21:34:41
i hate you, and what? lol
2011-03-04 21:38:23
Well, I don't hate zet as a person, but the way he is acting, he's acting like a baby.
2011-03-04 21:39:12
i think u r newbie in cs scene, and dont know olda times when zet doing the same what ceh9 doing now, shout to the enemy and break them physically. and its moral + for your team. sry for bad eng.
2011-03-04 22:22:30
Haha, please, how the heck do you know how much I know about the old times? I know what zet it and he didn't swear to his enemies, and he didn't exaggerate as much as ceh9 does so don't tell me that I don't know about the older times if you don't know what I mean.
2011-03-04 23:02:32
Am I a newbie in the CS Scene? Wow, and that's coming from a strangers mouth who doesn't even know me. How the hell is he helping his team by swearing to the opponents? This kind of things should be penalized and punished, not some stupid thing about taking a timeout and going to the bathroom. It's obvious that you are as stupid as timeout rule.
2011-03-04 23:10:06
okey lidda, :DA:SSDA:SA: what a fucking idiot. omg.
2011-03-05 02:06:03
cmon trashtalking is part of the game.. it has been there since CS was born. Well you even tell yourself your not a stranger to CS. obvious troll detected
2011-03-05 02:33:03
You can talk trash before the game all you want, that's okay for me, but swearing and cursing under the game, not acceptable for me.
2011-03-05 08:42:13
and also shows ur lan skill is level 0:(
2011-03-04 21:04:32
What does this have to do with my lan skill lol? Yeah they won, but come on, show some respect at least ffs. Not act like a egoistic baby.
2011-03-04 21:36:11
im not egoistic,read 453
2011-03-04 22:22:58
i love when ceh9 just jumps up and screams at the other team makes the match more interesting like we all saw yesterday vs mtw was so good
Post edited 2011-03-05 09:35:39
Post edited 2011-03-05 09:35:39
2011-03-05 09:34:19
That's why I hate him.
2011-03-05 10:21:30
thats why u r an idiot, and not a little :DDDAS:DSA rly man, u r not normal, sry:)
2011-03-06 22:34:40
One side lasts like 30 minute max, I mean if he has like weak bluster he should give sth like doctor's opinion ;)
2011-03-04 20:29:36
edward should of pissed his pants ...
2011-03-04 20:44:01
UNFAIR !!!
2011-03-04 20:53:32
:SDA:SDA what aretarted organisation esl.
2011-03-04 21:02:42
ESL = Sh1t
2011-03-04 21:04:26
i think it is stupid...to have such rules...if you need to pee, you need to pee, there's no but...how can u concentrate on the game if you wanna pee jeez....that's stupid...
2011-03-04 21:06:30
lol redbull promotion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
marketing!!!!
in all news "drinking water and !!!Red bull!!! !during the games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in all portals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
good money for zerog and navi!!!
its promotion
sor for my angl!
marketing!!!!
in all news "drinking water and !!!Red bull!!! !during the games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in all portals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
good money for zerog and navi!!!
its promotion
sor for my angl!
2011-03-04 21:07:05
i would love to have seen navi just piss on the floor during the games.
2011-03-04 21:09:03
if they dont want them to leave stage to pee then they should put a bathroom below the stage or a portable
2011-03-04 21:21:26
Well, they are allowed to leave the stage to relieve themselves ... in the breaks between the maps.
And Since they are adults and don't have urinary incontinence that should be enough.
And Since they are adults and don't have urinary incontinence that should be enough.
2011-03-04 21:25:37
Ha!
2011-03-04 21:25:34
Im sure they sign a contract before the tournament and I hope there was everything explained. Anyway I think it harms too much, it's normal thing to go to the toilet.
2011-03-04 21:27:02
lol?
2011-03-04 21:38:41
nice decision!
Timeout for pee? oh come on, esl did very well.
Timeout for pee? oh come on, esl did very well.
2011-03-04 21:54:37
It's some kind of idiotism, isn't it? Burghers...
Post edited 2011-03-04 22:11:53
Post edited 2011-03-04 22:11:53
2011-03-04 22:07:02
omg.. what wrong with u ppl! ESL bring us such a great event few time in a year and u write something like "ESL suks!" o_O without esl we have nothing! eswc and wcg... 2 events. OMG! we should thanks esl for they do what they do no matter what o_O and rules... other teams dont go to the toilet so this is way to play whole match withous break like this. And they dont take this money but give to another teams. I dont know.. maybe u think "navi are top 2010 team and they can do what they want" But this is bullshit... every team must obey the rules.. and this is it!
Post edited 2011-03-04 22:48:41
Post edited 2011-03-04 22:48:41
2011-03-04 22:47:26
So does ESWC, so does WCG, so did Arbalet, so does Dreamhack etc, i want ESL guys to go f*** themselves, priving the people from watching HLTV its RIDICULOUS! do not come with profits and w/e, cause NO OTHER TOURNAMENT does it and all of them are still in the business, so yeah, ESL SUCKS! about this rule break, i agree, players should read the rules and follow them, period..
2011-03-04 23:13:23
Rules are rules, nothing shocking there. They got enough time for all that things to do before the match.
2011-03-04 23:01:43
nice piss 4.5k$ worth =DD
2011-03-04 23:02:05
ha i would have pissed my pants to save that kind of money
2011-03-04 23:08:59
you rock ^^
how about "no pee after 24h" just like ESL
how about "no pee after 24h" just like ESL
2011-04-10 05:22:04
a time-out is a time-out..who cares if i clip my toe nails during the time-out, or go to the bathroom..
2011-03-04 23:28:50
ESL trying to find some reasons to not give full prizes? :) what a shame.
2011-03-04 23:34:55
"All the money that is deducted off teams is redistributed among the remaining participants."
2011-03-04 23:44:41
No, they are correct, do you see players in the MLB,NFL,NHL,MLS,NBA, leaving the game to take a piss or shit? no. If you want this game to be taken seriously as a sport, then rules need to be followed. professional players in sports get fines. Like i said if they want to be considered professionals and a SPORT then when the audience is watching they shouldnt be taking bathroom breaks, btw sports players drink alot of water in games. i.e boxers can u imagine 12 rounds having to pee? Redcode did not break the rules, that is german law not esl rules
Post edited 2011-03-05 00:32:11
Post edited 2011-03-05 00:32:11
2011-03-05 00:25:17
I have no idea what is mls or mlb but totally agree with you. It's just a mob which reads "money was taken away due to he fact he had to pee" and doesn't think about why other players don't get punished for that and why esl team which consists of very competent people made a decision like that. Ahrg!
2011-03-05 00:31:28
well they can call a timeout in the middle of the game and ask for substitution then they can ask their coach to go to the bathroom. Well you have wrong arguments
2011-03-05 02:36:16
Last season one of NBA players was supposed to be in a starting five, but only entered the game in the middle of the first quarter because he stayed in a locker room to shit. That`s a fact and his teammates were making fun of him so much after this happened. NBA players sometimes leave the bench to take a leak 100%, dunno about other leagues though.
Post edited 2011-03-05 08:44:38
Post edited 2011-03-05 08:44:38
2011-03-05 08:40:49
I don't know what these abbreviations stands for but speaking about soccer players have 15 min break when they can do whatever they want to do. In situation of NaVi and mTw they have asked to go to a toilet during the match break but orgs refused it. And this is very and very stupid. So they decided to go there during timeout though they were notified about points by Carmac. As Zeus said in his interview, this is better to get penalty points than lose semifinal match due to playing without concentration.
2011-03-05 09:56:41
i bet they won't pay prizes about half a year or more and then those redistributed money will just disapear like they never had existed.
2011-03-05 00:33:40
THERE IS AN ACTUAL RULE ABOUT NOT USING THE TIMEOUT TO GO TO THE TOILET???
WOW!
WOW!
2011-03-05 01:39:34
wow, thats just harsh. but maybe they interpreted it as trying to disrupt mtw focus, like unsportsmanlike behaviour or someting, dunno, but i just wonder what went through their mind.
2011-03-05 02:40:53
after first or second map Zeus asked admins if he can go to the toilet, they denied him, after first half they took a timeout to run to the toilet, when they came back carmac said they gonna lose some points, but zeus wanted to stay focused on the game and not to think every second about how not to burst urine, so it was Na`Vi's decision
2011-03-05 18:27:29
they are just mad because during 1 of the matches that navi was spectating the stream showed the crowed and markeloff was acting like he was whacking off LOL
2011-03-05 03:43:59
I was thinking only ESL Turkey is amateur at organisations like this, but it must have been spread.
Stupid decision.
Post edited 2011-03-05 04:45:18
Stupid decision.
Post edited 2011-03-05 04:45:18
2011-03-05 04:45:06
hahahahahahahahahaha
2011-03-05 07:28:15
BTW Seh9 wrote in his blog today that the orgs didn`t let them visit a bathroom during the break between the sides because they were behind on their schedule, so this answers the question why they didn`t go during the break - because ESL admins didn`t let them and now they deduct the money... so lame
2011-03-05 08:43:51
You're fucking kidding me? Because they went to the toilet? oh my god.. I feel sorry for Na`Vi
2011-03-05 08:57:14
Hey ESL, you know what? Go fu** yourself!
2011-03-05 10:44:10
he shouldn't have gone to a toilet.
Because he is a pro.
soccer player and other pro player don't go to toilet in games.
Because he is a pro.
soccer player and other pro player don't go to toilet in games.
2011-03-05 10:50:07
Soccer players have a break between periods when they can go to a toilet.
2011-03-05 12:30:43
CS players have a break between the maps when they can go to a toilet. Seriously, don't you get it?
2011-03-05 12:53:33
They were not allowed to go anywhere during the break, don't you know it?
2011-03-05 13:15:25
That's not true. The Players can leave the stage and go wherever they want in those breaks, with a timelimit of course. That's a fact.
2011-03-05 13:45:49
Then Zeus lied in his interview.
2011-03-05 15:32:02
Justice for Na'Vi!
2011-03-05 11:11:35
It's fair. If you don't follow the rules then it's your own fault. You kinda think that these players who have been in many tournaments should know these stuff. Yet again, redCode didn't follow the rules either so..
2011-03-05 11:11:54
But next time they would take a timeout to eat a beefsteak, smoke a cigarette or to masturbate. Sorry but something like this you have to do before.
2011-03-05 11:35:03
fuckin hell NAVI are you stupid? you want to go to the toilet for free? pay $4,550 and then go to the toilet
2011-03-05 11:45:07
3 Maps means they have time to go to the toilet:
- before the match
- in 3x halftime break
- in 2x map break
- after the match
No - it needs to be DURING the match!
- before the match
- in 3x halftime break
- in 2x map break
- after the match
No - it needs to be DURING the match!
2011-03-05 11:53:06
the most pathetic reasons... FFS IT'S SOMETHING NATURAL TO GO TO THE TOILET... there's a small possibility to die in case you can't use the toilet if you must...
2011-03-05 13:20:29
to get a 10% prize reduction for going to the toilet ? :D :D
trolled that one nicely...
point 1 - it's their decision what to do during the timeout, besides, the other team can do the same..
point 2 - the toilet is the king.. when he calls.. you have to answer :D
trolled that one nicely...
point 1 - it's their decision what to do during the timeout, besides, the other team can do the same..
point 2 - the toilet is the king.. when he calls.. you have to answer :D
2011-03-05 19:52:03
These are expensive toilets? :)
2011-03-05 20:25:40
o_O
2011-03-06 04:10:14
At least, it was worth it!
Zeus and Edward will never forget this trip to the toilet :)
Zeus and Edward will never forget this trip to the toilet :)
2011-03-06 04:59:53
sure!!! it is heaven toilet. you will high. 4000$
2011-04-10 05:29:28
lmfao
2011-03-06 05:19:39
ESL - Epic Stupid League
2011-03-06 16:52:17
esl are not gonna pay prize money anyways :D like a last year.
2011-03-06 18:19:53
You leprechaun be quiet with assumptions like that when it's your country that's in a fiscal mess.
2011-03-06 18:35:23
lol you want to say that it isnt true? there was an interview with markeloff he said zerogravity was asking to esl admin where is their prize money for iem 4 and he answered with laugh. 1-3 months ago there was an article where it said that IEM 4 prize money (50k) hasnt been payed yet.
2011-03-06 18:41:38
And why these "cheaters" host successfully e-sports tournaments since 1997, if they do not pay?
2011-03-06 19:01:26
If the rules state that you must be on stage at X times and that there are no time outs, but one is needed to be taken they should be penalized. I mean if you are told what to do and given the rules there should be no reason for you to not follow them. They should have been before the match at halves, or after maps don't during a map where they need to pause the game for a timeout.
2011-03-07 15:31:03
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