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We sat down with SK Gaming managing director Alexander "TheSlaSH" Müller and discussed with the German chief the details surrounding the transfer of Marcus "Delpan" Larsson.
SK Gaming and fnatic were yesterday involved in a war of words, with the former issuing a statement to announce Larsson had signed for them, prompting a response by fnatic in which they declared the player was still legally tied to them.
fnatic business development manager Neil Kirk was very critical of the whole situation, tweeting that SK had acted unprofessionally by not even contacting the other side, to which Müller replied: "could not care less TBH [to be honest]".
With both teams stating Larsson is in their ranks, we contacted Müller to find out this situation is developing.
fnatic released last night a statement saying that Delpan had not yet been released. What is the current situation of the player? Is he still tied to fnatic with a contract?
First and foremost, this is a question only Marcus and fnatic can answer. From our point of view, we have worked out a deal with Marcus and in order for him to focus on his new team, we want him to have no problems whatsoever. So we told Fnatic that we are interested in looking at a "buy-out" situation. Interesting is though that the situation is similar to what happened less than 12 months ago, only this time it is the other way around. Back then, fnatic refused to accept that Rasmus was in a legally binding contract with SK.
It is good to see fnatic insisting on contracts between organizations and players to be respected again and I can only hope they will argue the same way when they are approaching a player in the future, regardless for which team he is playing. Anyway, the team wanted Delpan, we negotiated, the player wants to make the move and we are willing to buy him out of a contract between Fnatic and Marcus, it is that simple.
But fnatic said Gux was not contracted to SK...
We did release the photo of the signed contract. How can you say he was not signed?
You tweeted last night that you "could not care less" about Delpan's contract with fnatic or negotiations with that organisation. What was the reason for this?
My tweet was directed to @fnatickboy who appears to be Neil Kirk, who said I did not have the balls to do this or that. You will understand that this is something I really don't care about. If he thinks so, so be it. Again, less than 12 months ago, it wasn't Fnatic that came to SK and said "Hey, Rasmus wants to switch teams, we are sorry we approached him directly at ESWC after a poor performance, but this is how it is, how can we solve it?" How do you think we should look at fnatic as an organization after what happened?
I said it out loud, unless they respect our work and that includes our contracts with players, they can't put themselves on moral highground and ask for our respect now, can they? Now fnatic even goes as far as taking it to G7, the very same thing that happened with Rasmus and the ruling was clear, Fnatic was wrong. Now the same organization that did not accept their wrong goes out and wants help from G7? I understand that most of the community don't have all arguments on the table and get very emotional. That's part of eSport, but some things are just too obvious not to be seen.
Within the Swedish scene players talk to each other a lot and it happens that a player is being approached that is contracted to another team. Happened to us, happened to others, will happen in the future. Let's get over it and work things out.
Don't you think that you were a bit out of line in your tweet against Neil Kirk? Many looked at it as if you didn't care about other organisations' contracts.
I think you are getting me wrong at this point. I am not disrespectful towards other organizations contracts at all. I was referring to his wording towards me not having balls, that's it. SK has bought players from a lot of other organizations in the past. Sometimes it was quick and easy, sometimes it was tough and rough, but it was always one team paying money, getting a player for it and another team releasing a player and getting money for it. The only situation in 14 years of eSports, where misunderstandings seemed to happen was with GuX. For Marcus, we are discussing a transfer fee with Fnatic at the moment.
After some time with dennis, SK decided to let him go. Why?
The whole process of getting a team together is complex. You build a team around a core of players. A captain, some strong players and so on. Having a five guys line-up sometimes takes a lot of time. In our case it is a discussion within the team in the first place, then with Anton and with SK in a second step. Dennis was brought up from within the team and he played solid. He is a great guy and he will go his way, we are quite sure of that and maybe at some point we will end up together again, you never know in eSport. But for where the team is right now and what goals the team has, they need something else from a player, something Dennis would need more time to learn than probably Marcus. Of course the AWP situation is a good point here. We want to lift weight from RobbaN. Marcus is really good at that, so he fits the profile nearly perfect. We are not making a call against Dennis at all, he is a great player, but the team and everyone else involved strongly believes that Marcus fits our exact needs better than Dennis does.
Post edited 2011-05-30 12:19:53
fnatic better than SK
do not leave fnatic
probably would the best team they can do...
not: dsn delpan pita xizt carn
or: allen/dennis forest gtr robban and face
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Post edited 2011-05-30 12:21:07
His face looks very untrustworthy.
Thought there never was a contract between Gux and SK, he never signed it? -_-
Post edited 2011-05-30 12:24:29
His face looks very untrustworthy."
I think people heard that gux didnt sign that contract news,but I dont think people heard that SK got gux with signing that contract,
if gux did sign that,then this loser will surly putting a law case to bring gux and fnatic down back then,he always lies.
I dont think thats gonna happened,1st no good tact caller,2nd,no stable lineup,if they didnt win sth 1 2 month they gonna try to get new people again.
Look at all the best clan in the world,3D,coL,wNv,navi,former SK,they always have a very stable lineup to build up trust between themselves.
Robban is great. Probably the IGL with most individual skill in any of the top-teams.
We are talking about their IGL skills, they didn't manage to win any big tournaments having players like f0rest or GeT_RiGhT, and if you see them playing... well, Zeus already said that they play with no tactics so... something is wrong, don't you think?
The main problem is, who can replace RobbaN as IGL in SK? No one, pronax has a team and I think he's not so much experienced on high level matches, theat is inactive and its part of LIONS.
Maybe RobbaN is the only player that has his safe place in SK, not because he's the best IGL in the world, but he's the only one who can be in SK.
if they stay in fnatic he will not play good :s he wants to go to SK
The story starts to bore me...
Btw...Sweedish counter-strike lives just by the name of teams(Sk,fnatic)because they always get beaten by teams which are maintaining their players and form a great team(Na'Vi and FX)
Fnatic rapes them anyway :D
Post edited 2011-05-30 12:43:25
"So we told Fnatic that we are interested in looking at a "buy-out" situation"
- You told fnatic that after they said that Delpan was still on contract? Lovely.
"we want him to have no problems whatsoever"
- Ironic considering none if this would have been an issue if you had contacted fnatic, instead of just announcing it.
"For Marcus, we are discussing a transfer fee with Fnatic at the moment." [...] "I am not disrespectful towards other organizations contracts at all"
- Again, seems very weird that you would announce him joining before coming to an agreement on the transfer fee, especially considering you are not disrespectul towards other's contracts... Overall a very unfortunate case and nobody from SK can be happy with the negative attention they have gotten, but I guess that is what happens when a 35 year old man acts that way :s
Post edited 2011-05-30 12:52:00
"Now fnatic even goes as far as taking it to G7, the very same thing that happened with Rasmus and the ruling was clear, Fnatic was wrong"
I don't really want to discuss an old case like that again, but did G7 actually make an official statement regarding that issue? As far as I remember that case was very different, in the sense that Gux never actually signed anything :s
Post edited 2011-05-30 12:52:40
I don't know everything about that matter though... never heard of the G7 story.
according to fnatic's manager:"The G7 was formed on the basis to promote the cooperation and unity between professional organizations."
how's that STEALING a player from SK, is an action to promote the cooperation an unity between pro orgs? can u explain that? doesnt matter if gux had a contract or not, what matters is fnatic went to SK's back and took'em their best player at the time, priving the team from him 1 or 2 after a big event Arbalet Cup Dallas! if i was SK managers, i would cut all the relationships with fnatic and do what SK just did with delpan! but since its fnatic were talking about, and they are seen like some kind of gods, no one cares about this..
No matter how weird the "employee" acts the boss HAS to make some sort of contract happen, otherwise you can't complain if people find another place to work. I don't remember the case 100% though.
I think Gux acted very immature though and he has basically destroyed his own career - I doubt fnatic wants to take him back at least.
Honestly, i have no f-ing idea why my post was deleted.
personally, i hate sk and would absolutely give benefit of doubt to fnatic..
Same situation as ola and NoA/SK. Just pay the money and get on with it.
Post edited 2011-05-30 12:46:07
Now we have:
-Robban - without awp he can focus on strats.
-Face - awesome on small BSs.
-f0rp - great aimer, when he is on fire and pick up AWP opponent team will be destroy.
-gtr - I don't like him, but he is great player - i admit it.
-Delpan - finally AWP-er, not from time to time as f0rest/Robban, he is main sniper.
I would like to see matches: SK - mTw, SK - Na'Vi, SK - FX (revange).
prove for that:
7:55:27 PM Tim Ellersiek: yo rasmus, sent you a mail with the new contract
7:56:52 PM GuX: yeah ok cool
8:04:12 PM Tim Ellersiek: and I also still need your bank details and contract but that maybe tomorrow then haha
8:07:09 PM GuX: i email u bank details in the same mail
8:07:10 PM GuX: with the photo
8:08:16 PM Tim Ellersiek: sounds decent, I will need the contract via postage since I have to show it to the authorities
8:08:38 PM Tim Ellersiek: is that cool?
8:10:08 PM GuX: yeah i know
you can find the whole article here: http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/30070-The_facts_and_figures_behind_Guxs_departure
Post edited 2011-05-30 18:13:22
8:07:09 PM GuX: i email u bank details in the same mail
8:07:10 PM GuX: with the photo
How could he type "with the photo" in 1 second? I can write it in about 3 seconds if i wanna do it really fast LOL Only if he has a bind for that? :/
Bunch of bullshit
you said its just a conversation well this conversation proves everything, I proved it to you and now you say its bs.
mate, how can you write 3 words in 1 second? its just impossible.. unless its a one letter word..
Like i said the conversation might be fake, we will never know.. its just like 9/11 ;)
Post edited 2011-05-30 13:08:01
its all so confusing
Post edited 2011-05-30 13:43:31
Got to love the professionalism
I hope for Delpan that he goes to sk if that is what he wants ofc
I hope for fnatic to make some changes since obviously something isnt working in their current lineup
Imo this is good, too bad they have to be so unprofessional about it
We did release the photo of the signed contract. How can you say he was not signed?"
I´d like to see that photo he claims they released. I remember exactly that their Player manager "merusame" CLAIMED that they sent Gux the contract but he never signed it.
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Post edited 2011-05-30 14:29:01
I think it´s faked, because why the hell their player manager "merusame" would claim that Gux did not sign the contract? Doesn´t make any sense.
"I fake it till I make it!" :D
I kinda expected a scanned copy of the signed contract.
Plus, merusame's story only shows how SK asks Gux to send them the signed copy and he never did.
GL Delpan where ever you will go .
SK-Gaming: An E-Sport organization with garbage management team. 60% of their fans are deluded like Liverpool fans, living in past glory. Also known as the best retirement home for great players, offers great amount of cash even if they aren't winning. Sadly though, they won't get to see the money at the end of their career because that's how TheSlaSH rolls. Contracts are for fools, and to quote the great man; "I could not care less TBH".
Fun fact: Post 2003, SpawN is the only SK player to have tasted decent success during his second stint with SK. No SK player has been successful since 2007. Also, Budak is the biggest tool on this planet.
Tentpole won more events in a single year with fnatic than his 2 1/2 years in SK.
SK just got fked up,and they are still thinking they cant go with that.
about DELPAN i can't imagine him with Sk players! they will be STROOOOOOOONG !
2)he is already in sk gaming team http://www.sk-gaming.com/team/1-SK_Gaming
I'm thinking to join a team.
face kicked out of SK.
After 5 months :
delpan also out of SK.
After 7 months :
f0rest kicked too.
But Robban is still there.
not even sk is that blind to doesnt realize it :D
Post edited 2011-05-30 18:08:51
No better team on the earth. I would say they would make the best team EVER. Maybe not ;)
his credibility has gone far away
nice line up
What are your thoughts and feelings on joining SK Gaming?
Hey! It feels good, I was really unmotivated the last two tournaments in fnatic so I thought it could be good to change team when I had the oppertunity to do it.
trolololol..he won with fnatic his 1st international event and then he states that he was unmotivated. Its only a few months that a team like fnatic gave him the opportunity to play in top events.
Its easy to expect anything from someone who was a cheater
fnatic will be stronger without him.
if SK realy wants Delpan they will pay a lot :) and after fnatic will have money for a big player
fnatic are playing smarter :DDD
i agree with you SK think that they are "STARS" they can do what they want and buy a player like Delpan
I think that delpan is staying in FNATIC: )
nc interview ~~
you heard it here first
in sk report it is mentioned they didnt pay gux bcoz he didnt sign contract... which means gux wasn't contracted... FU SK org.
Post edited 2011-05-30 22:35:48
Guys watch this its pretty hillarious as Robban speaks of tactical ideas he got from gux which actually is all cArn's brainchild and he is so happy to boost...
Die Robban Die
or Uninstall CS please...
Well, Gux wasn't worthed what fnatic payed for him as he lead the mutiny against dsn & carn and ended up by himself until getting the chance of joining LIONS - which is a good team but likely won't win anything big.
Lets see if Delpan will.
NA VI > ALL OF THEM!!! its not the skill,its not the strats its the CHEMISTRY!!!
He was out of line and it makes him look like a child when he can't apologize or see that they aren't taking the high road. All he can do is blame fnatic? LOL I have no respect for SK's organization.
Changing lineups AGAIN won't do them any good IMO.
Those are honest words (concerning how professional SK has been over the years). Interesting i-view, worthy of watching both parts.
Post edited 2011-05-31 13:55:15
Moddii should go for Fnatic. Moddii is the best ringer in the world and needs a team.