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Nicolai "moxxi" Tinggaard and Emil "zaider" Brandt have received bans from the Danish community site XplayN.com, two years and one year respectively.
On the first day of September, the Danish community site XplayN.com brought news, which accused the duo of cheating. The news was built around facebook conversations between Nicolai "moxxi" Tinggaard and Emil "zaider" Brandt, which allegedly took place before the match against SK Gaming in our Xperia PLAY prelude.
The conversations shows the duo chatting about using shady methods (cheating) in the match against SK Gaming, as well as the possibility to use it in practice games. The conversations were in Danish, for those wishing to read them, then a complete package of the screenshots can be downloaded by clicking here.
XplayN.com, which is not just the Danish community site, but also organizer of various e-sport activities in Denmark, today went on to issue bans to both players.
Tinggaard was given a two year ban from all XplayN.com activities, based on his ban at PlayZeek.com (moxxi's profile), which is an international network for gathers, FFA and more, but also the conversations with Brandt, which to XplayN.com is very revealing on the matter of using cheat. Tinggaard has however claimed that it was not him playing on the account when it got banned. Tinggaard's ban will expire on September 5, 2013.
Brandt received a one year ban from all XplayN.com activities, only based on the conversations with Tinggaard. Brandt will see his ban expire on September 5, 2012.
HLTV.org has been in contact with Brandt, who admitted that duo had the conversations about cheating against SK Gaming, but by the same token disagree with XplayN.com, that his ban was issued based on screenshots from a facebook conversation.
"The entire case reflects on Nicolai and I having facebook conversations, which took place about six months ago, in which we joked on the matter of cheating against SK Gaming and how it should be used.
Today I received a one year ban from all tournaments held by XplayN.com, which is based on the conversations and on the conversations only. I can't understand how a ban can be issued on speculations whether I have cheated or not.
I have several times offered people my in-eye demos from the match against SK, in order to kill the rumors of me using any type of cheat. People, including XplayN, have furthermore had the option to confirm/deny the facebook conversation by downloading the HLTV demo and study my play, to determine if there is anything shady.
Instead XplayN decided to ban me on the conversations that took place between Nicolai and I. I have cheated before, but it is so far back I can't even remember when it was. It's history – innocent until proven opposite." - Emil "zaider" Brandt told HLTV.org.
Event organizers in Denmark have previous had a zero-tolerance policy, meaning if a player was banned by one event organizer, then others would follow. The policy is however seemingly not currently active, meaning it is by now unknown if the duo will receive bans from other Danish event organizers, or for the matter non-Danish organizers.
I can remember for you, zaider
Post edited 2011-09-06 01:38:53
"I have several times offered people my in-eye demos from the match against SK, in order to kill the rumors of me using any type of cheat."
Yea its easy to say now when your banned to trick people that your innocent
Cry how much you want stupid cheaters....
Post edited 2011-09-06 02:49:26
stop blaming him cause he activated vs cheaters team on EPS france.
ohh and btw,,, its dumb to give a ban, without having some proof, not some jocking around, and the +1 year ban ? for beeing banned from playzeek? oh my god, ill register there and write Chritopher GET_RIGHT Alesund for crying out loud , and use hacks,, will that mean that he will be banned from any activity in danish held events, like Xperia play etc?
Post edited 2011-09-06 16:05:47
beside that if the demo is clean i cant see the matter
Post edited 2011-09-06 01:46:06
Post edited 2011-09-06 12:37:50
Also one thing, referring to 'last names' in a story like this is rather confusing. It's fine when you write something about SK for example, but with players like this I don't really have any clue who it is you're referring to, even though you stated it before.
also ur a liar LOL u replied to someone elses comment under me with this "I was caught cheating on Custodia in September 2008, go do some research yourself." So you DID get caught cheating before...LOL u cant trust a liar...
Post edited 2011-09-06 09:39:53
13:37:46 : I never said I wasn't caught.
Its clear to me that you at least have a cheat of some sort on both your computers and have discussions whether to use it or not before games.
You have to agree with me, if you saw a conversation like that between lets say crZy and raf0w - what would your thoughts be?
But yes, I would find it suspicious and I agree with people that find the log suspicious. But if raf0w and crZy had this conversation, I wouldn't vouch for a one year ban just for having the conversation.
You need to take in consideration that this is not the full log and can easily be taken out of context from something else.
Lol, shut up. Thank god you got banned, lousy hackers.
edit. ok found
Post edited 2011-09-06 01:58:26
Give them a chance to proove themselves in LANs etc.. bullshit decision
fRoD cheated in the past.
n0thing cheated in the past.
Delpan cheated in the past.
fury cheated in the past.
khrystal cheated in the past.
The list goes on...
Post edited 2011-09-07 00:51:23
Post edited 2011-09-06 11:15:14
I honestly think they should get more conclusive evidences.
because now they will get bad rep and hopefully nobody is goin to play with them after this.
Post edited 2011-09-06 02:15:13
please tell me?
Nothing against you, mate, but the way you wrote, it seems like you're really jelly of them.
Always known that these two players were cheaters.
Post edited 2011-09-06 02:43:21
photo 1 in english :
photo 2 in english
Yes, but we’ll have to fail a little. :-) For example sell b, if they call incoming A, even though we know its fake. :-D
Yes, but we cant always be ready when they’re coming B etc.
Do we use it in pracc?
No? I dont want to. I’ll get too used to it.
If you cheat sometimes you understand them more; some people talk about cheats casually and they are always the kind who i know cheat sometimes... even if they didn't cheat vs SK they clearly are the cheating kind
Post edited 2011-09-09 13:51:35
but its fact that they diden cheat in the match, but that was only becus they diden knew if the cheat worked
The guy is playing for one of the best teams in the world, if not the best team, why the hell would he cheat? It's retarded to say that he cheats.
Every LAN tournament this year delpan have pretty much owned it up.
Every team wants him.
kinda speaks for itself
loooooooooooooool, you was cheater. so stfu
p.s,were u a delpan fan 2 years ago ?NO
when he played on mym? NO
now that he is on sk and played 3 good tournaments u wanna lick him..i hate thoose kind of people :)
I had a double take after reading the article. But after that? I've come to the realization; it doesn't really surprise me they were banned over having conversations about cheats and there application.
Post edited 2011-09-06 06:09:27
Delpan - awp cheater
Diodel - ak/colt cheater
vedimak - ak/colt cheater
aspx - ak/colt cheater
Dece - noob cheater
Virtus.pro > sally - cheater, manager of cheaters
Delpan <3 Wallhack
Zaider <3 HackWall
moxxi <3 WackHall
DecE <3 to be a noob
Diodel <3 to go on WCG by WH
XPlayn.com - noobs, you can't ban players only because their "joke-chat"...
FACTS AND PROOFS IN STUDIO!!!!!
SO THEY'RE NOT CHEATERS
chats or conversations in jovial mood can't be the valid proof to ban them..
zaider is right by asking to scan his in-eye demos for his shady play...
u cant blame anyone with supposedly this chats..
and how come this chats reach them... some 1 is playing a spoilsport fr him..
Very very bad.
Post edited 2011-09-06 09:37:13
Post edited 2011-09-06 10:09:33
It's just in your imaginary head that they're cheating.
I'm a friend of those two long before they actually became known so..
just let me remind you that they dont cheat. if they were cheating why would we / topplayers play with them?
In France everybody knew for a fact that KristeN was a cheater but he always managed to end up in some team with good players, playing against topteams
Post edited 2011-09-06 15:37:38
Also, we consulted a lawyer about whether your conversation on Facebook could be considered evidence, and as it turned out, it could.
In fact, there's a real-life case involving 2 people talking about cheating at their exams (on Facebook), and guess what, they learned a lesson, too.
So there you have it. It took 4 days to make a decision. 4 days of debating and confirming a lot of things. Some agrees, some don't. That's their right and I respect that. You should respect our decision, take responsibility and learn something from it. Maybe then it wont happen again.
I was trying to make the point that we did have evidence that you were planning to cheat. And that's most likely what got you banned - that and your past not-too-mature actions I'd say.
Russia, Brazil, France, Germany, Denmark, Poland:( , Sweden, GBR.
Even if they didn't cheat it's insanely stupid.
doesn't matter what one say but what one do.
freedom of speech is still on afaik.
I know one thing, zaider always jokes about cheats and so does moxxi. But, one thing I do know is that they don't really cheat.
What these kids did was that they were lameing on facebook since they always talk like that to each other.
I don't get why XplayN did this harsh punshiment but I can assure you guys. zaider & moxxi haven't been cheating as zaider said, for the past 3-4 years.
Last time they both actually cheated was when zaider used to run a pracc-channel on QuakeNet. And they were cheating on the biggest cheaterportal in whole Counter-Strike, a.ka. PlayZeek. And that was about 3-4 years ago.
I don't see why you people are flameing them but one thing is for sure. If zaider & moxxi DID cheat, then they've to be the worst cheaters I've ever played with.
I know a few notable times I've been playing with them, when they've been lowfragging like dipshit. IF you guys are complaining about them both cheating, then you don't really know em because they're like average players.
I don't even see the reason and the logic behind zaider, this isn't the first time he gets banned for something stupid.
Now, the funny part is whole DK used to 'be a friend' of zaider. But now everyone is mad hatein' on him. There's one thing fosho, I won't hate neither zaider or moxxi for this like the rest are.
So guys, you just have to prove yourself at LAN and see how it goes because I know fasho that you don't cheat any longer.
Post edited 2011-09-06 10:07:00
so that means that all that are friends with zaider or moxxi is a cheater?
wait, that logic makes no sense.. since they've played with players that you are the biggest fan of.
so..... no more arguement here.
But we should trust him, and you.
Post edited 2011-09-06 11:45:38
Why are you guys argueing about people you don't even know?
"KHRYSTAL FYRR73", you played with them maybe once or twice. I'm talking for years and years, I've known them both since they were 11-12 around that age so what's the argueing here?
They've been cheating and banned in the past for cheating but you've to understand, they don't cheat ANY LONGER.
I'm going to continue repeating myself til you guys have understood what I've written.
If your gonna hate on zaider or moxxi, then you can hate on "Friis", "Delpan" , "karrigan" and lots of other players that have a cheating history...
No hate on the presens, we don't live in the past. We live now.
Post edited 2011-09-06 10:58:02
if he cheated on playzeek, who the fuck gives a rat about it???
do u know how many cheaters there are at playzeek everyday? do u know how many topplayers (KVICKEN etc) that have been banned on playzeek?
You've no idea, so stop eating your own hand cause all ppl cheat on playzeek.
If it were official match, then I'd agree with you but playzeek??????? There's no logic there.
The rule is imo. pretty simple: Don't fucking cheat !
btw how are you anyway if you dont mind?
Because on PlayZeek everyone but none other than everyone cheats. If he's cheating on somewhere everyone tests their hacks to max then I don't find it offensive if he'd get tired of playing clean there.
I see no point in argueing about this, cheat is cheat anyways. There's a difference in cheating in official games, then cheating on casual public games where everyone cheats.
I won't argue with you anymore because you can't argue in the same level as me. What I'm trying to say is that, the whereabout moxxi cheated on is regardless of your saying a righteous place to cheat on.
Hence that ALL people cheats on PlayZeek, and even Snajdan have cheated on Playzeek....
So get real.
I think we are not only saying they did cheat or not,but they had bad history that no 1 will believe them for a long time.That's why we say it once a cheater always a cheater.
I think XplayN's act is a little bit harsh,but i think they have their reasons.just think how many times they didnt get them when they cheated?i do think they deserve this.
and when some 1's attitude is like this,then they surely will cheat again(seems they just think cheating isn't that bad).That why no 1 will listen to them.
if they want to gain people's trust again,they have to play like a man in both lan and online(no matter what's score they do,at least theyr playing man's game),but i think they way they reacted seems no 1 will trust them,and seems they just dont care.
hf with your programes then.No one will want to play with you anymore.
you may win some games with hacking,but you are always a loser,you cant even play a game,what else can you do?lol
its god damn sad that this rot is climbing up to higher level of players, really sad
Nicolai "moxxi" Tinggaard and Emil "zaider" Brandt should be banned permanently from all european cs events and leagues.
There are people that cheat for "fun" , but also there are people that cheat in order to gain fame and respect among their national communities so they can get a good team and shine as the star of the team.
I think that in most cases, people cheat for that, and not for fun.
Cheating for fun is an excuse for those who get caught for cheating, and they have nothing else to say but "it was a joke" or "it was for fun".
So that's the case with these two in my opinion, saying that this whole conversation was just an inside joke or whatever.
I'm pretty sure that they used cheats on practice matches and on some official matches.
Anyways, this ban by XplayN is justified.
It's a clear message for everyone to not use cheats and not even think about it.
Post edited 2011-09-06 11:44:01
I know nothing about the matter except what I've been reading on Xplayn and in the comments there these last few days, but that sentence seems a bit misleading from what I've gathered so far :)
Post edited 2011-09-06 12:06:09
Post edited 2011-09-06 12:34:01
I'm not judging you personally though, but hope the whole case could clear up without any kind of bans.
Post edited 2011-09-06 13:16:51
In XplayN you get banned just for talking about it.
:D weird stuff
Post edited 2011-09-06 13:36:15
You shouldnt ban a player without evidence. However, this "evidence" doesnt necessarly mean from this match. I believe anyone who has been caught cheating should forever be banned from online competitions. If it were that way, we wouldnt be having this ludicrous article here, as zaider and moxxi have both been caught cheating already at some point in time.
That is my personal opinion on cheaters and what I judge adequate punishment. I have really strong moral values, (never cheated at test, never helped anyone who asked for help to cheat), so I pretty much despise any kind of cheat.
I saw delpan comment here, like he's one to talk. And whoever was sucking his balls saying he was a kid: he still is, saying stuff like "we are the best, Im the best" on interviews.
It is a fact that a lot of professional players have cheated. To name a few, from my country Brazil: prd, bit, fnx, urb. And there is solid proof for these 4, I have it saved on a txt file somewhere on my harddrive on my old computer.
Anyways, to sum this up: good ban should they think like me, otherwise its somewhat unfair.
Post edited 2011-09-06 15:19:21
generally people learn from their mistakes and so surely deserve a second chance not a lifetime ban from a computer game... (dont forget thats all cs is, a computer game.)
no one likes cheaters, but some people on the internet get far to wound up over it. and retarded comments like #389 are embarassing.
bla bla bla etc etc etc
SHAME YOU !
Maybe he just had WH and told the team where to go and so on, and then play bad.
Post edited 2011-09-06 16:03:16
Edit: oh, sry for not replying, just scroll up for his comment.
Post edited 2011-09-06 16:07:18
Learn the difference flying physically and flying in an aerial vehicle.
this is not how justice works. you're innocent until proven wrong, and this is no proof.
They should check the demos out and then decide objectively. fair and square.
Ridiculous ban.. "He thinked of cheat" Wow, if you ban people because they think of cheating at a log, you cold ban 75% of the whole scene.
But ive been at lan with zaider, and he is a really good player if you ask me.. i have never doubted about his skills online/lan. Anyway it is fair for me that moxxi get 2 years of ban, but zaiders 1 year is still a huge question for me.
And yes, i do agree with you its not even acceptable to talk about such stuff - and even think of doing it.
I't must be very hard for him now though knowing that he will never be taken seriously again, oh the poor boy :(
1. talk about it when esl wire is ON hahaha..
2. i have to say that XplayN.com cant ban them for no prove.
-> U ban someone if HE IS cheating AT THE MOMENT, not before he has done it or talks about it.
He's is not cheating, he is just talking about it... so this is ridicolous tbfh...
3rd. he has ESL wire on + Custodia anticheat on screenshot 3.
If he tried nor cheated in that match u would notice it between now and 1 month just like that vedimak guy right?
because ESL wire uses 'ESL claim Grigorov was unveiled by new detecting methods that were added to the ESL Wire software recently'
Post edited 2011-09-08 18:03:44
i didnt get that