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Valve put the Counter-Strike: Global Offensive beta live at about midnight in Europe and the wait for key holders to try the game is now over.
After having to postpone the beta launch, Valve announced November 30 as the date when the beta would go live and they kept that promise.
Nobody had a clue as to when the beta would go live and various social medias have been spammed throughout the day, with guesses as to when Valve would let the public play the CS:GO beta. Around midnight, the CS:GO developer team announced on their twitter account that the beta had gone live and was now available for key holders to download.
By the same token, Counter-Strike's website was re-launched and includes a Q/A for everyone with questions to the newest edition of the game. To read the Q/A click here, while you will be able to participate in the debate and feedback on the Steam forums.
Remember that the beta is only a small snippet of the final game. This means only selected maps and weapons will be playable.
Wondering why we have not given out any keys yet? Let us clarify. We will have keys, just as Chet Faliszek promised in our interview with him, recorded during the IEM6 Global Challenge New York.
Right now the main object for Valve is to stress test with the keys that have already been handed out at various events, such as the IEM event in New York, ESWC and most recently DreamHack Winter.
Once a stress test has been completed, Valve will be looking for server operators to get a better disbursement of servers geographically and when that is done, we will be able to raffle away keys to the beloved HLTV.org users.
So to those without a CS:GO beta key: hang in there!
Post edited 2011-12-03 20:24:53
Simply, they cant!
ps: they will never replice my game, which is 1.6 <3
Post edited 2011-12-01 06:43:33
I mean, maybe ppl who created 1.6 left and there is nobody else to think about progaming... but only about profits...
Post edited 2011-12-01 04:21:14
Nothing else explains why they wanna make a game based on a less succesfull game than on a very succesfull one. I mean, obviously 1.6 won't last forever, but since it's the most played game of the CS "franchise", for so to say, it really makes no sense to make a game out of the less played one....... Why don't they make CS 2 instead of CS:S 2? I just don't get it...
'That's what Counter-Strike is: a game of skill. And this is what CS:GO is: an effort to put anyone who has or should play Counter-Strike into the same game. That's a big enough goal but not a grand enough one to merit the name Counter-Strike 2.'
no it's not. once again, check sales of MW3. 9.5 million copies sold on the first day, 96% of which were on xbox and ps.
if you want your game to be successfull, you should make it for both consoles and PC and make it casual. if you want it to be worshipped by a bunch of HLTV.org guys, be ready to lose your money.
How many copies it sells on the first day isn't about how the particular game is good, it's about how it's well presented. When a game is played on a big tournament, then that means it's good and competitive.
THE PLAYERS E FANS!
If i dont like CS:GO and they make 1.6 die, i will just give up gaming. And for sure they will not see any money from me.
Do u see any SPORT inventor getting amounts of money from it? The family of the football inventar is bilionare?
Money from e-sport is there, becouse gamers lover are people like any other, that want the best equipament, eat, go out etc...
However this is a new world, and is not professional and strong yet, but will be, and the games that will stick professionals, will be the most rated and played games.
So, if u like CS 1.6, just keep playing it, and 1.6 will be fine.
The old garde is slowly dieing out and new gamers are fed with better graphics constantly, which becomes more and more important to people playing, and to spectators aswell. Sponsors know that and therefore they are slowly backing out of the 1.6 scene. If you want CS to live on and become even greater, you should support CS:GO, because like it or not, its the future of CS. You simply can't deny that if money are put in to tournaments in CS:GO, people will want to win that cash and therefore start playing the game.
I don't understand your comparison with the inventor of football.
Would also like to add that the ideal game for me would be 1.6 gameplay, spiced with new graphics, maybe some new weapons and especially new maps.
Post edited 2011-12-01 05:07:33
Organisations will drop their cs1.6 teams like mTw just did because it's just not profitable.
EG will probably be the next organisation to drop their cs team.
It doesn't matter if the serbian scene is growing, there's just not enough money to make it go around.
Brazil is one of the biggest countries, and 1.6 is just getting bigger here my friend.
100% sure thar is IMPOSSIBLE CS:GO rise up here.
Face it, 1.6 is dying FAST
There's less pro-standard players around. Teams are finding it difficult to pick up good enough players to replace those who left.
Toiurnament prize money has dropped a LOT. And that's not the worst thing. These tournaments aren't even paying their winners.
The salaries are a complete joke, and that's for the best of the best
1.6 may be alive in shitty Eastern Europe/South America. But in the West (the countries with actual money) it's quickly on it's way out.
So yes, carry on saying "1.6 4eva". You're the guys who are killing competitive CS. You're worse than the people who refused to move from Quakeworld to Quake 3.
Post edited 2011-12-02 12:05:02
Post edited 2011-12-02 12:06:23
CS:GO can replace 1.6 at sponsors, but in players not.
Post edited 2011-12-01 01:34:27
This game isn't fun when you play the same teams over and over again and its really not fun when the only competition you have in skill is 2 or 3 teams and then there is the huge gap that separates our good amateur players to the pro players.
Post edited 2011-12-01 14:13:32
sc2 is popular cuz americans and some europeans RTS players (outside the pros) like new games, doesnt matter if the game is crap, they just enjoy the hype.
Post edited 2011-12-01 19:19:41
Most people will try to become pro? No they won't. People play games firstly, for fun. It's the idiots who try and become professional that are the minority.
Oh, and SC still has the most money of any game on the planet. No one even comes close to the salaries of Flash, Jaedong and Bisu.
First, i did not insult so please, do not insult me.
Second, have you ever played 1.6 competetively or any game related, like cod, sc, lol, etc ? If no, shut up. If yes, then you should know that your goal is to be the best,and most people try to be the best. I dont want to become pro, but i play competitively, and where the money goes is where i go. No one wants to play a game where you cant achieve anything. FACT.
Oh really? You are a bit outdated then. No matter how big their salaries are, the sc2 is growing every day and it will become (if not already) bigger than sc. And scenes like LoL, cs 1.6, etc are bigger than SC...
They would have to buy ALL GAMERS to change that my friend.
IF neo forest and markeloff change do CS:GO for money, i will respect them, but i will never watch they playing...
Sponsors aren't silly. They always look the community before their help.
Has it created for replace 1.6/CS:S? NO
Can it replace 1.6/CS:S? NO
Is it better game ? NO
According to the Valve ;
That's what Counter-Strike is: a game of skill. And this is what CS:GO is: an effort to put anyone who has or should play Counter-Strike into the same game. That's a big enough goal but not a grand enough one to merit the name Counter-Strike 2.
Why sponsors give their money CS:GO instead 1.6?
Better graphics = Better graphic cards/processors/etc = More money.
Has it created for replace 1.6/CS:S? ??? Sure it was, whats the point of creating it and Valve asked for pros opinions? You make no sense.
Can it replace 1.6/CS:S? You cant decide this, sponsors can, they have the money, they control the scene, not you.
Is it better game ? Just because you say so. Its your opinion (although i believe you havent even tried GO). Some people say its better, others dont. Try to make sense please.
Where did you even got that definition from? You cant just make a definition out of your head, say Valve said it and call it a fact.
Open your eyes fanboy. Have an open mind, one day 1.6 will be over. FACT. Maybe that day has come. Who knows? Sponsors who are eager to invest into this game. Not a kid with his opinion like you or me.
Post edited 2011-12-01 16:28:39
Valve said 'It has not made for replace 1.6/css, it's a completely different game'.
Maybe they will use their opinions for next game? for cs 2?
Quote from Scypher ;
But why would Valve continue to updat cs:s with each update turning into a "1.6 HD" if they already a new title coming up in a few months. This only makes sense if they don't really want to make CS:GO mainstream
Before everything please read this blog then shut up
Post edited 2011-12-01 17:47:30
You havent aswered any single argument of mine, therefore i wont even open that link.
Have a good afternoon in TURKEY.
also you say its CS 2..CS:GO never been released to be the next 1.6 cause 1.6 has nothing to do with valve..its just a wishthinking of valve to create a community out of the two CS generations..
also this game will be playable on consoles and there are more console gamers then actually PC gamers thats the trend wich is going on so where they need a good graphiccard to play it? someone out there can buy a playstation 3 instead of a good graphiccard so where is the "marketing aspect"
the thing wich is true they know COD and BF are popular games and now they wanna go with the flow and try to sell a game with the title "CS" and everyone is like "oh they invite professional gamers" they do it cause they need to include the "community" into that game cause they basicall ruined CS:S and split up the communitys back then..
look at CSP its nowaydays far better than CS;GO is and its getting pushed by private publishers look what VALVE made out of..everytime if valve works on a "CS" its getting bad
As a person who has been playing CS:GO, I agree, it has a looooong fucking ways to go but its very doable. It just needs the support.
A) Not at this stage in the beta. The full version of CSGO will allow community run dedicated servers on both Windows and Linux.
With that said, I haven't run into anything that isn't fixable. This game has potential, it just needs a lot of work. I'm not saying it needs a lot of work to become 1.6, I'm saying it needs a lot of work to become a good competitive game. There are a lot of things it does different than 1.6 and Source and I think they should remain. For example, moving with your scope up blurs your vision and the initial time that you put your crosshair up, your vision is blurred and this makes quickscoping difficult. You're probably saying to yourself that it sounds awful, in fact the first time you play and its like that you will probably hate it and shout how awful it is but its actually a good balancing feature for snipers. It doesn't prevent you from quick scoping but it makes it harder.
I have a lot of faith in Valve as a developer but I cant comprehend why a developer would try and mold a game into being competitive when the competitive scene will attack it regardless of whether its good or not.
The game is in a bad place right now but I think we as 1.6'ers need to have an open mind and we need to try and give it a chance if we want to see it go anywhere. I think a lot of 1.6ers made the same mistake with CSP and the dev team pretty much quit the project because it was frustrating to put work into a project and get attacked by the very people you were trying to help. Hopefully we as a community have learned from our mistakes and can extend our hand to whoever is willing to help us keep what Counter-Strike is alive.
Post edited 2011-12-01 14:23:12
THIS GAME IS FUCKING GOOD
it looks unvaliable in MyGames at my steam account..
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Post edited 2011-12-01 02:12:50
you cant wallbang in this game,dont waste your bullets.
spraying is not good as in cs 1.6
when you get flashed,its same as Call of Duty's flashs..
awp is so good.
i like all maps.
also players like cArn,getright hyping so much for csGO.I played with SK's manager greykan.
Post edited 2011-12-01 02:49:29
Also the maps are a little overwhelmed with boxes and stuff, and sometimes its hard to recognize enemys models. Its a quite early stage of the game right now, but i would suggest to play CS:ProMod instead.
Post edited 2011-12-01 02:52:53
The recoil with the m4 right now is ridiculous. You can empty an entire clip into an enemy from 3 feet away and miss every bullet.
It's all fixable though, it'll be interesting to see how it progresses.
I'd love to know which idiot at Valve decided it would be a good idea to ONLY include DE_DUST in the beta as a playable map.
There's a reason it never gets used in 1.6 or source. It's a fucking one sided pile of shit.
starix changed status to CS:GO SUCKS! 1 day ago
The AWP is like....crazy. Even while moving.
The AK is fucking strong
The M4 is fucking weak
the UMP is still useless
i never needed a side arm
the grenades don't do ANYTHING
Smoke is alright - much better then 1.6 in density
The strafe is like iceskating on the moon.
I get the map is called dust, but jesus christ i don't need to see it all the time.
There is stuff around the map, but it's not like other modern games where that shit it just EVERYWHERE. IT definately should be cleaned up too.
I couldn't get into a match that was d2 so idk what i can say about that.
Games is MILES ahead of source in terms of quality and still a ways away from 1.6.
Post edited 2011-12-01 04:50:58
haha i thought this post was supposed to be serious and then i read that
lose the blinders m8
How can you say that CSS isn't terrible when AK47 is FAR AND AWAY the best gun in the game? Or how about how the hitboxes are so large that when you shoot somebody in the upper chest you got a headshot regardless? or How about how the barrels and other debri ACTUALLY PREVENTED YOU FROM DEFUSING THE BOMB OR PICKING UP THE BOMB IF THEY WERE OVER IT?
Or how about how the M4 is effectively worthless and you should trade it in once you get a kill for the AK, because it's effectively worthless. Or how about you can't shoot through a god damn inch wide wooden door?
Or how about you can actually bunny hop from one side to another in like a second and a half and actually beat your opponent to their side of the map basically no matter what. Seriously you can say that i don't like the game - which is true - but you can't say i don't not like it for good reasons.
In fairness, the comments you cite for CSS with regards to physics, recoil, weapon balance and hitboxes are far more true for CS:GO than CSS right now. At least CSS has had several years to iron them out and I don't think anyone can genuinely claim these dimensions are sharp and finished for the new game.
"How about how the barrels and other debri ACTUALLY PREVENTED YOU FROM DEFUSING THE BOMB OR PICKING UP THE BOMB IF THEY WERE OVER IT"
"how about you can't shoot through a god damn inch wide wooden door?"
Everyone i have asked who has played the game, say it has potential...
Also, insulting me wont prove your point right, just saying...
Post edited 2011-12-01 07:16:45
and the molotov should be a new tactical element. i predict when this game goes competitive, this will lead to ULAME tactical situation that were not thought of (for ex: retakes, when u can bascically block a whole way to the bombsite with this)
Post edited 2011-12-01 08:19:02
let me give you an example: i planted the bomb and we got 1o1... mate tells me he awped you in the leg... so i can completly close 1 way to the bombsite just with the moltov...
i am sure there are a lot of examples like this,... i am not sure wether i like this new "tactical" possibility
When CSGO comes to retail this is where the prize money will be, all your favorite CS stars will go to CSGO or quit gaming.
1) None of you will ever be good at CS 1.6 no matter how much you play it. None of you will be at the professional tournaments in a position to win anything. The 1.6 elite is a very small group. You have a better chance at being good in a new game.
2) CS:GO has Valve's full support. They delayed the release of the BETA after allowing all professional players around the world play it and give their feedback! VALVE wants a multiplayer FPS to compete with Call of Duty/Battlefield because it brings in the big bucks. Why don't you think CS:GO will only get better?
3) CS:GO isn't even a terrible game. The game is fun and has a lot of elements of 1.6 counter-strike. However, you guys will still find small flaws and label the game terrible. A bad element of a complex system is not indicative of the overall quality as a whole.
4) 1.6 is dead. I have played this game since 2003 and the game is way past its peak. I know it is hard to move on, but some of you just have to accept this reality. Source is dead as well. Sure there are 1.6 tournaments all over the world but the amount of HLTV spectators, competitive players, and people who have a general interest in this game is non-existent. No good players that played professionally since the beginning (2000) are even around anymore with very few exceptions such as lurppis. People move on and technology changes, Counter-Strike is due for the same.
Just give it a chance, please. I would hate to see the community die off as Call of Duty and Battlefield progress in graphics AND gameplay.
Edit: Molotov sucks!
Post edited 2011-12-01 11:41:26
Atm I really hate CS:GO, its utter shit. Laggy gameplay, no way to play with friends etc.
1) Your argument here is it is better to be good at a lesser game than try to get good at a better game. Everyone here might as well quit cs 1.6 and play any other game at all in that case.
2) CSS had Valve's full support. CSS was not good enough to replace 1.6, but Valve's support was enough to make a lot of players play it, which lead to the biggest fragmentation of the community. Thus, having Valve's support is not in itself a good thing. You also argue here that Valve wants CSGO to compete and be better than COD/BF, but surely the devs of COD & BF wanted it to be better than 1.6 to get those players, yet they weren't; so, because they want it to be better does not mean it will be in the eyes of 1.6 players.
3) I haven't played it so won't comment one way or another. I agree that there have been a lot of comments about stuff common to all betas, little things that will be tweaked as the game goes on. Then again, it's important to mention them so that the devs realize them to make sure they are fixed.
4) 1.6 has been thought dead a long time. It's still not dead. There is no reason to move on until there's a worthy successor. The argument that one should move on regardless of whether there is a successor is a poor one IMO.
You probably won't be playing CS in a year but this is the chance for a new generation of players to discover the joy of a competitive team shooter. Just give Valve the chance and the input to make it a great game, and don't bitch and moan like the community did when Source came out. This time we can give input so we should take the opportunity.
This is CS's last chance. Like it or not, either this succeeds, or CS disappears from the Earth in a few years.
2001: 1.3 comes out: Restricted bunny hopping: "CS is dead"
2002: 1.4/1.5 comes out: "Can't jump and shoot with every pistol anymore?!?! More bunny hopping restrictions?!?! Game is dead"
2003: 1.6/steam comes out: "Shield!!!?!?! New Guns?!?! Mp5 sucks?!?! Now it's dead"
2004: CSS comes out: "Source Engine? 1.6 dead in a year"
2011: CSGO beta out: "1.6 dead in a year"
meanwhile OG CS is still the top played steam game
a decade of calling the game dead and people still don't realize it won't be that easy
The question about whether or not cs 1.6 is dying, depends a lot about are we talking about professional gaming or amateur gaming.
What comes to professional gaming it is certain that valve did not make cs:go just for fun. They are going to make sure that people are going to play it aswell.
That said, valve will surely support professional gaming tournaments that will replace cs 1.6 with cs:go. Also tournament organizers depend a lot from sponsor money, which naturally are companies that promote new hardware and gaming equipment.Seems logical that those sponsors will gladly sponsor a tournament with newer games to sell new components and hardware. If you look it like that, valve and tournament organizers will replace cs 1.6 with cs:go in order to make profit. This will propably be the end of the professional cs 1.6 scene.
Amateur gaming is different. If the community is ready to play the game without tournaments and a professional scene, then 1.6 will survive as long as there are people playing the game.
its like every community site just good a few ones
Post edited 2011-12-01 10:30:27
Until all. And please, do not call GO by counter-strike.
Post edited 2011-12-01 11:52:52
You people just dont realize valve DOESNT WANT TO REPLACE 1.6! Jesus christ is it so hard to understand? They want to provide a new counter strike experience to people, thats it!
Youre never going to get a game like 1.6 ever again. As technology and PC power increases, so will the complexity of the games. No one aside from 3rd parties will make a 1.6 mod ever again. Youre soon going to be reflecting on the good old days of 1.6 like source players reflect on the CGS era.
1.6 is just the only good and adequate CS version for competitive play these days.
When they release something better than 1.6, we might give it a try, but how do they expect us to move on, when they keep releasing shitty versions of the game, like CSS and CSGO?
1.6 is just the superior counter-strike.
But Valve never cares about CSP
1. Make noob friendly game
2. Name it after famous "cousin"
I think if they REALLY listen the community, they might have a WINNER. They should hand out BETA keys to every single CS 1.6 player (casual and pros) and collect feedback. I don't know why they're aren't doing this, but this is basic from product development.
Believe me, I am excited with the molotof, decoy grenade, shock weapon and the general look of the game, but they need to make changes and they the COMMUNITY to do it.
Stream of CS:GO to watch game play
moving to source engine is inevitable anyways, so helping the csgo devteam is the only logic way to keep the competitive cs alive. The community must be loyal to the values of sponsors and the growing gamers community that not even interested in cybersport. The original counter strike was not conceived competitive, and it became genius because of the ideas and thoughts of the developers. But now they're fuckin screwed up because csgo it is not an art, it's is a bullshit based on a brilliant idea. SO:
1.There must be a balance between the size of a map, the size of a player model and the speed of movement first of all. Maps are too small right now, and it is why it can't be competitive yet. The game should be HARD to play, it should be challenging, the psychology of a gamer should be considerated. And ofcourse the architecture of maps just suck, it is not interesting, it's simple and piled up with garbage.
2.CS 1.6 sizes are like golden ratio for gamers if developers will use it, it will have succes.
Their work on new strafes and weapon characteristics are based on gameplay they created in cs:s, it is wittingly wrong. The engine is fine, the ARCHITECTURE is not, think about it.
3. Imo, it will be successful just in case if they will follow the bases of original counter strike.
Post edited 2011-12-01 13:14:35
in the end right now this game is not ready for have professional competition.
my 2 cents.
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/765611979622582.. here some screens
Post edited 2011-12-01 13:07:12
As a community you should be talking how to improve the game and start making posts and petitions, VAVLE will change it.
1.6 and CSS are both on a decrease, I don't think you lot realise that if CS:GO can be become highly competitive, then it would entice a brand new audience and more sponsors.. Make it the game you want it to be instead of slating it, if you are too narrow minded to say '1.6 forever man, fk these guys' you are seriously retarded. If you want to relive and see big money tournaments, more sponsors popping up back like in CPL when they were meaningful then, as a community act to support the game and embrace it by coming together to make changes instead of saying 'this game is terrible never gna play it' when it's a beta stage.
Community support is vital, get playing notice bugs and what you want to bring to VAVLE then create a forum post and petition.
- Recoil isn't perfect (we know)
- Awping is nice (weird zoom effect and slide effect is annoying when jump strafing)
- Nade's are done nicely
- Buy menu is too bulky
If you want to see a major FPS title die like cs, be ignorant and ignore the future changes which vavle said themselves, they will fix anything the community want them to do. They've done this in NYC and at Seatle.. Bigger tournaments that come up will mean more players, more sponsors, even players will come out of 'retirement' the scene will become hugely active again, I prefer to see something like CS take advantage of this instead of Battlefield or CoD series.
TL:DR - Read it (cba checking over spelling or grammer)
Post edited 2011-12-01 13:08:03
You just raped that kiddo with style :)
Stopped reading right there. So, do you have any evidence to support your claim? Because just look at the official steam status:
Am I blind or is it tell me that 1.6 is the FPS game with most players? So, CS is a +10 year old game, and if you are right and new players ain't coming to it, do you really mean that those +60K players are fat, bald and old 30 year old cunts, that started playing the game 10 years ago and never left it?
There is evidence showing your claim is wrong. Any reasonable person would see it. After that I can't really take anything you write seriously.
secondly the game has decreased what 1-2 years ago there was at least 100,000k+ people playing now there is 40-50k. Check previous stats from both 1.6 and CSS, even CZ.
thirdly sponsor money has died down and organisations finding it hard to sponsor, if you've noticed around the last few years that sponsorship is only coming from a small number of companies, a lot of the top orgs have to change their strategy to get sponsors.. if you've taken note u'd of noticed most top orgs have had to change sponsors. The main supporters for 1.6 is mainly Steelseries who DIRECTLY support the game, compared to years ago you had ATi, GeForce, AMD, Intel etc...
I mean jeez, how come LoL have start getting stream viewers of over like 100k, SC2 also for instance.. Streaming and viewing is a huge source of revenue now, people make money via ads and big numbers, why do you think ESL only selects games that are most popular and draw in the highest ratings from teams, players and stream views. If CS:GO is made competitive it drives a new audience, and you will see an increase in sponsorship aswell as 'top players' being the spotlight straight away.
What? You are probably confusing 1.6's numbers with the failed CSS numbers.
I follow those stats regularly, and 1.6 WAS NOT peaking 100K players 1 or 2 years ago on the official steam stats. It was pretty much showing the same number as it is showing today.
You can't even prove what you are saying, because its bullshit. After that, I don't think people should trust anything that comes from you, because its obviously biased.
You look like a failed sAuce boy. Here is is again, just look at how pathetic the sAuce number is, compared to 1.6:
Thats right, 1.6 humiliated sAuce. Live with that you retard!
And i'm pretty sure in the CSS vs. 1.6 image where it says 1.6 is chess, CSS is checkers had around 90-100k players for 1.6 - actually infact More: http://csgoodies.com/source.jpg theres your 'proof' CS in general (1.6, CSS, CZ) have all decreased especially over the last 2 years. That is a Huge drop in players, from 200k+ 1.6 players now to 50-55k... If CS:GO could be exactly like 1.6 then we can see it being played more in the mainstream - i.e. Exactly the same feel as 1.6 and behaviour with updated graphics (like CSP, i was a full supporter of CSP if they could make it like 1.6)
Failed sauce boy? I played 1.6 for about 7 years, i was at dreamhack last summer...? Not to mention aload of other events. I started playing CSS due to sponsorship.
Live with what... i'm pretty certain i've said to make CS:GO more like 1.6, I love playing 1.6 and prefer it to CSS by miles. If CS:GO could be like 1.6 with big financial backing pretty sure i'd move over - I really don't think you realise im talking about the game 'CS:GO' and how to make it as big as 1.6 was in the past...?
Post edited 2011-12-01 19:04:49
is NOT the official steam stats. That one included the non-steam players. The steam stats does not count non-steam players, and it was showing pretty much the same 60K number of players 1 or 2 years ago, as it is showing today.
Failed, you are comparing orange with apples. Those are different stats.
pretty sure I remember HLTV viewers from X3 vs. 3D and CPL 02/03 being something ridiculous like 20-50k viewers?
But yeah, your post makes sense(?)
Post edited 2011-12-01 19:19:38
And btw, that stats was NEVER official, you must be joking right? The only official one, was from VALVE, and it NEVER counted non-steam players.
The other thing I am telling you, is that sAuce failed and never could replace 1.6, and the sAuce numbers are going down in the steam stats, not the 1.6 numbers. Period.
so the player count has basically stayed the same in the last two years, doesnt this contradicted your statement that new players are regularly coming to css?
unless the amount that leave and the new players is almost exactly the same, which i doubt.
Don't you understand in your silly head that this is a pre-BETA everything can be changed, noone is telling you what time to play, if you want to be arrogant and show the decline in sponsors teams and players (factual) including prizesmoney and tournaments in compared the past then go ahead be narrow minded.
You realise if you talk to anyone in the scene that has a clue, example Nixon, carn amongst others who deal with communitys and sponsors/management they can see that if the game is fixed and taylored there able to make this game a big esports title, going into 2012 with some big prizemoney on the line.
My god, you are pathetic. People should work hard in life, in school, get good jobs, etc... Thats how you succeed in this world. The VIDEO GAME part of anyones life, should be FOR FUN only, and if they have fun playing 1.6, SO BE IT, no reason to change that.
Not sure how old are you, how are your school status and your job and how much you earn, and I don't care, but THATS where people should focus at, and do whatever it takes for the cause. NOT A FUCKING VIDEO GAME. Wake up, get out of your bubble, and stop being ridiculous.
Oh man really? I'm pretty sure I have a decent degree i've studied hard and will have a decent job in central london. I play cs for a hobby, for fun. I like competitive games, if I want to spend time playing it I want the game to be fun - you can only have fun playing 1.6? Nice one you absolute mong. The idea is to make the game behave more like 1.6, as it is pre-beta vavle have stated 'they will change what the community wants changing'
What do you think this is my full time job or something you cretin. What are you trying to make this some debating class why kids shouldnt play games, when have i EVER stated that gaming comes before education you absolute mong. If you could read anything and not be arrogant you will notice I was saying people need to take notes and help vavle fix the game to be more like 1.6, without input it wont happen. I never once said you have to move over, i never once s aid css or 1.6 is 'crap' i said if you want cs:go to be a success then give the input to make it the game you want it to be, a game to be like 1.6 with a competitive mode.
cba replying to you have proven how much of a cretin you are.
Post edited 2011-12-01 18:50:53
1) people should play whatever they want to play. if they are happy playing tetris, so be it. If they are happy playing CSS, so be it. If they are happy playing 1.6, so be it.
2) playing a video game for A FUCKING CAUSE is pathetic as fuck. Its a video game, it SHOULD NOT be anything really important in your life, it should be for fun only and moderate only.
Thats it. Think about it again for a moment. You are getting into an argument of playing video games for a fucking CAUSE (and I don't even believe in your cause anyway).
That might be a regular normal everyday life thing for you, but for me, its ridiculous.
Oh, and btw, NO ONE is telling poeple life you (who want to play a video game for a cause LOL) that you should not do it, or that you are narrow minded, etc... Its the other way arround. Its YOU, comming here and telling people that like 1.6 that they should change it for A CAUSE. Got it? You are a mess.
Post edited 2011-12-01 18:55:44
You are right. He must be so mad I can't even imagine hahha!
But hey, keep believing bro... people still believe in Santa Claus these days, so why not!
2. when did i ever say play a game for a cause, i said making a game like 1.6 which in my eyes is the best FPS game ever made - would be perfect. If CS:GO can replicate that then would be great to see a bigger community
When have i ever said a cause, i play the game for fun and for competition. If it wasnt fun I wouldn't play it. I'm taking as a community you can make this a fun game, you can make it what YOU want it to be like - what is my 'cause'? i'm really confused where you're saying I have a cause when i've not stated anything apart from pointing out errors in a game which is pre-beta to make it like 1.6, i'm pretty sure its the exact same as CSProMod - if that could have taken off it would have been ace.
What are you on about I want to play video games for life?! when have i EVER stated 1.6 players should switch game, quote me once. Please :))
Go back to making pizza
Post edited 2011-12-01 19:13:27
"I mean jeez, how come LoL have start getting stream viewers of over like 100k, SC2 also for instance.. "
You are more worried about the game you are playing having more viewers than some other game, than everything else. Thats not how it goes for most people. They just want to play whatever they like, whatever their friends are playing, or whatever. They couldn't care less about such ridiculous thing as you care.
2) Your argument is OBVIOUSLY playing a game for a cause. If you can't see that, I am sorry, I don't know how to help you then.
Most people have legit serious problems in life to take care of. You, on the other hand, is "making" a problem out of a video game. This already tells me enough.
play a game for what cause, what are you on about? I quit the game for 3years for University
Why are you bringing this life issue up, when have i ever said that life isn't as important as CS? What are you on about seriously, every single person here will have family issues and problems with cs, career path to chose, a life to live - what has this got to do with playing computer games.. I stopped playing for many reasons due to family members ill and in hospital i really dont understand your arguement
Post edited 2011-12-01 19:26:48
There is no point in explain it more to you, because I don't believe you will see it anyway. So, you play the game for fun only right? Ok, so let people play their game for fun too, and don't try to act as a smarass on them all right?
you think im here to move people over to a game, the only thing ive said is valve stated they will listen to 1.6 community for changes, how hard is that to grasp?
No CS:GO Beta Key for you now brother!
Post edited 2011-12-01 19:35:16
HAAAHAHA! Its so funny to humiliate sAucers in here!
Whats humiliating is your inability to think this through. Probably sounded good in your head though
Post edited 2011-12-01 22:57:32
In your ass buddy. Here it is, for you again.
And remember, if you can`t show evidence that CoD has more specs than 1.6, than you are bullshitting and losing brah!
You can go look it up on your own. Even so, using spectator counts as the sole basis for determining what game is better, is pure bullshit because in the end you're making the judgement based on your own opinion. It doesn't factor in elements like computer quality which is why many can't play source. I thought having free education in Europe would mean you had taken a critical thinking course, but apparently that isn't the case.
No one is losing because no one's opinion is fact
In your face sAucer boy! So good to humiliate sAucers on here!
Sorry, but I think he made you mad :)
I think youre mad, i dont know why but i think you are
Try to think sometimes. I like 1.6 very much but this game is simply old.
If you don't like the game, tell Valve what they have to fix. They've said over and over that they will change the game as the community sees fit. They know they screwed up by not listening to the community when Source came out and will not make the same mistake.
So if u want things changed, be specific and go to the Steam forums and tell them what you want changed. PERIOD.
This is everyone's chance to make CS:GO the best it can be and bring CS back as the #1 esports title with great prizepots.
If CS:GO isn't popular, because of all you "1.6 forever!!!11" idiots who refuse to even give it a chance, then cs will eventually have the tiniest prizepots and no one will play it. It will be demoted to a pub game with little online leagues. A more popular game like COD, regardless of how shitty it is, will have more tournaments than cs.
Is that what you all want?
And being so biased against CS:GO doesn't help. The game is in a pre-beta state, of course it will be "shit" right now. The thing is, Valve have said many times they are open to suggestions. They want this to be the best counter-strike to date. If everyone just bashes it, rather than actually playing it and giving constructive feedback, then, no, it will not be as good as it can be. The fact that valve speaks out to the pros means the game has HUGE potential to be good.
No one should be so quick to dismiss this game...
Games like cod and Battlefield have ridiculously large user bases. Valve will need to market the HELL out of CS:GO if the want it to compete for tournament prize pots with the other modern FPS titles.
You seem to forget the history and place CS got in competetive gaming.
Call of Duty: Black GOps
LMFAO russians are gonna love that
Who said that all the fog on the maps and all the other unnecessary shit will be in the competetive game mode?
Im not saying that it wont, becouse we dont know yet.
I actually liked the game considering how early in the beta the game actually is. If they tweak a few stuff and fix the 1.6 movements (strafing in air / bunny jumping) then i will be really happy with the game.
Im still very positive about the game :)
My point being theyre trying to balance the game out between platforms.
Why try to improve a game that has quite much reached it's maximum enjoyment-level, by just adding fancy graphics and copied gameplay from these newer fps games?
Yes, I do realize that the next generation is about to step in and go for the games with better graphics (MW & BF) but why can't WE who still love 1.6 just as it is, play it as long as we want? It's not gonna be around forever and I've also started noticing that atleast for me the professional scene of 1.6 is getting more and more less interesting to follow when you start to notice that all those oldschool legends and players you used to watch 4-6 years ago have quitted and the handful of them left still playing are getting really old.
Why wouldn't we just enjoy from it as much as we can when it still is one of the most popular online games in the world and let it slowly step aside when these "new generation" games take it's place. This will probably take couple or more years, because it's not just gonna instantly die and disappear, you know? Everything in this world stops being around someday! Peace!!
Post edited 2011-12-01 15:33:07
I didnt know you were the only CS player in the world. The game's enjoyment hasnt run out for everyone like youre suggesting. The CS series is the best selling FPS if I recall correctly, so it only makes sense to upgrade it. You dont have to like it if you dont want to but your attitude is exactly why the game is declining: resistance to ANY change.
I swear, when Valve tried to added footstep sounds when jumping, it was as if every CS players families had just been murdered. Its almost as if your brains are all swollen inside your skull, constricting bloodflow and making you insane. None of you will be pleased, therefore you as almost all others need to stop arguing and just not play the game instead of complaining about how you dont like change and leave all the reasonable people be
Post edited 2011-12-01 22:33:23
and i love how ppl are saying valve will do this and valve will do that...valve just wants to make money and obviously they cannot make money of 1.6 anymore so they will do anything just to manipulate everyone to move to cs:go, they are big company and everything happens for a reason, so you will actually move to 10 times worst game and pay for it :D (havent really played cs:go so maybe it is not fair to say how bad it is, but after watching showmatches in which players dominated running around with awp, i mean thats enough for me coz i dont find that fun, tactical, skill demanding etc...)
i just lol'd :D
That's CSS not CS:GO, in GO throwing a grenade against someone doesn't takes any damage (at least for now)
Secondly, all the nerd, who say it's a beta, and that the valve is waiting for advice on how to improve, I replied. This misery is nothing to help, too late to fix anything. Valve has long since been told what to do with counter-strike 1.6, so it was pretty community and the valve would be rowed money with a shovel, so what they want, and everyone would be happy, just to shit like the valve on the opinion of people in the proof of this edition of the misery that can not even be counter-strike.
And pls don't insulted me, it's just my opinion.
I really think that cs promod is the only option to substitute cs 1.6 at the moment ///.
i'm absolutely sure that it will increase nice money 4 the developers, but don't think that many ppl will play it all day long like they are doing it playing 1.6
that's just interesting to try, but nothing more
p.s. this game makes me so sad about 1.6 scene.
i think we all understand that if valve will make some tourtunaments with prizes about 1 m.(like they did it with dota2) 1.6 will die
hope that it won't happen but who knows
Jesus.. You do realise what the game could be if the entire csgo feedback forum was filled with 1.6ers?! Get your shit together man, lets give feedback and make sure valve makes a game worth it's fucking title.
1.6 forever! :)
i will still play with the BOTS :D