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After rumours going on for months that Evil Geniuses was going to stop sponsoring its CS team at the end of 2011, it seems the rumours have come true and the team itself has disbanded in the process.
The rumours started a couple of months ago when EG's CS team's leader, Andrew "Irukandji" Timmerman's logs were leaked where he said CS wasn't worth putting a lot of effort into anymore with their sponsorship not being renewed for 2012.
Timmerman has now confirmed his retirement on ESEA forums due to him starting dental school and not having enough time to dedicate for CS anymore. The team lost another player in Paul "pauLy" Guerboyan just under a week ago to UMX.
According to Derek "dboorN" Boorn the team tried adding different players on their ESEA roster to finish out the current season, but were unable to do so due to a site glitch which forced them to forfeit the rest of the current season.
Evil Geniuses was:
Derek "dboorN" Boorn
Andrew "Irukandji" Timmerman
Jordan "n0thing" Gilbert
Thomas "thoMz" Garcia
The news are yet to be confirmed by the EG organization but as the players themselves have posted it multiple times on forums, it is likely simply a matter of time.
With the former Evil Geniuses squad losing its sponsorship, it is unlikely they will be able to travel to IEM6 Global Challenge Kiev. If they decided to not attend, the first team in line to replace them will be Natus Vincere.
where do u heard this? shit they were best american combination =\
america is dead
remember it said "FalleN"
in this case it would be nice, because fallen is a great awper, a great igl and a good rifler :P
Post edited 2012-01-07 02:05:48
I'm not those fanboys who say "FalleN > markeloff" etc
but we have to agree that he is a great player =)
I agree that the US scene has been dying since the CGS but the rest of the scene isn't doing too well either.
Just bring up the news archive for 2011 here at HLTV and you would see that a lot of influential players have stopped playing for one reason or another in 2011 alone. Guys like solo, bail, dsn, ave and now Irukandji who is arguably one of the better American players. Those are just names that come to mind, I'm sure I'm missing quite a few influential players not only in respect to the world but also in respect to any given region.
It wont be long before the guys from SK, fnatic, NaVi, mousesports ect disband if the competition continues to disappear and the money to send them to events stops rolling in. Its a cruel, sad truth of the matter. I don't challenge these guys passion for the game but I'm quite sure players will stop playing when the money stops coming and there is no reason to blame anyone for doing so.
What can we do? Well, there are two options, in my opinion. We can make a push for CSP or we can get our hands dirty and make CS:GO into a better game. In all honesty, the latter is the smarter move. Before you verbally rip me apart, allow me to explain.
I think we should support CSP. There was a time about a couple years ago where CSP was in a really good place but the problem was nobody was playing the game and people would attack their project without even playing it. Its a great game, and its not where it should be in terms of being in the competitive circuit but their recent push to move the game ahead has been really inspirational. They welcomed 2 new weapon modelers and a new player modeler to their team. They are in the process of remaking Dust2 from scratch and they are planning on bringing their project out of beta before the end of 2012. There is a lot of potential there.
Here is the problem with CSP and why CS:GO may be the smarter move for this scene to migrate to. CSP wont be a game that brings back old players. CSP will be like 1.6 and those who are the best right now will be the best in CSP and that means the results wont change and it wont "reset" things. If a player like heaton or Spawn or even Irukandji or fr0d or ksharp or method or shaguar or all these players who have quit over the year, wanted to make a return with whatever new game we go for, they wouldn't stand a chance and we would be in the same situation where the same teams are placing high and events are generally less interesting to watch than say circa 2001-2006.
CS:GO isn't a good game right. It really isn't. The thing is though, its fixable. When I say fixable, I don't mean that we can make it like 1.6, I mean that we can make it a respectable competitive game by its own right and that's what this community needs. It needs a new Counter-Strike that is competitively viable but still its own game that asks for similar but not the same skill set from 1.6. It needs to be a game where anyone who has an understanding of theory and concepts in 1.6 can make the switch and play but it also needs to be a game that doesn't mimic spray patterns, spam spots or player movement because then we wont be going anywhere. We would be in the same place and there would be no incentive for players to try and overcome players who have a ton more experience.
I love to use the example of Street Fighter. With Street Fighter 3, there were a lot of great players. Tokido, Daigo, Gootecks, Justin Wong, just to name a few. When Street Fighter 4 came out, it was a vastly different game but these players remained in the running because of their understanding of the game since Street Fighter 2 and that's great.
The thing is though, a ton of players who never even touched a Street Fighter game jumped into the mix and the community grew exponentially. Now instead of having 100-200 people in a room watching an event, you had thousands and even a few more on streams and the scene had expanded in a way unlike before. Players who had quit years ago had returned, new players were competing with these legends from previous games and there is a generally awesome environment.
tl;dr: CS is dying but there is hope in CSP and CS:GO. CSP needs support and a community of players willing to play their game and CS:GO needs players who are willing to help make a new competitive game that doesn't mimic 1.6 but instead is a new game entirely.
Post edited 2012-01-07 01:03:29
CS 1.6 is, in my opinion, the best FPS ever made for competitive play and we may never see a game this perfect again. The nuances of it's game-play and the skill it takes to use them correctly are what set it apart from every other game I have played in my 10 or so years of gaming. Crouch hopping, spamable walls, bunny hopping/air acceleration, tapping crouch to peak over boxes, etc are all features that will never been seen again due to the fact that they're not 'realistic'. I know I said it before but being able to use all of these features correctly are what separate the average from the good, the good from the great, and the great from the best. Not to mention the mental aspect of the game is far and above anything else I have seen in an FPS.
Although it saddens me to say, I am nearing the end of my gaming years and maybe this is why I feel the way I do. I would rather have 2-3 more years of the great game that we all know and love before I stop gaming rather then have to play Valve's rendition of a source/1.6 fusion that has yet to show me anything enticing (of course that is subject to change). Basically, pump me full of morphine and let me die in peace.
on topic EG was nowhere near top20 right now anyway
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Post edited 2012-01-07 00:10:38
great for Na'Vi. This chance must be totally used.
all the potential teams with the following players:
Post edited 2012-01-07 00:22:36
have teams like MANDIC, GAMERHOUSE and OPENGAME(maybe) to represent america on cs...
R U BEING SERIOUS?
OPENGAME? wake up brothA
we are talking about CS on its highest level
opengame can't even win mandic, that is a low team comparated to Na`Vi, SK, fnatic, mouz, ESC, ex-mTw, WinFakt and many others european teams
Post edited 2012-01-07 00:33:49
dont know if u'll understand it :P
but EG was the best american team (~top10 world) with the best american players
don't know if those players you mentioned are good enough
Post edited 2012-01-07 00:34:12
both are great players but in their coutries there are no players who are better/in the same level as them
btw EG was my favourite team from all America
that's really sad ((
#2 for me from America is Mandic
Post edited 2012-01-07 00:23:36
Post edited 2012-01-07 00:33:48
but european cs is getting better and better :)
Na`Vi were "no namers" and just raped everyone in 2010. In 2011 things were different with the new SK roster and the comeback from NEO and co. And 2012 of course will be a great year too.
Post edited 2012-01-07 00:37:36
TCM, mTw, FX, FF, EG...just only 1 year(Jan 2011~Jan 2012)
He quotes this post:
Referenced post #109 by ArmaLite
But still, shouldnt have wasted n0things time this season.
This guy could have easily been on x6 if he knew this was coming lol.
and says himself:
#109 pretty sure frod and storm dont wanna play with him
edit: nevermind that's just some faggot using the name kluluz^G not the real kluluz
Post edited 2012-01-07 02:23:14
Post edited 2012-01-07 02:11:45
n0thing to x6 :D
cs in whole America is dead.
!!!? NOT AWESOME OR WHAT?
top ct player -storm-
best awper -frod-
top aimer wallbanger everything -n0thing-
it would work
just an opinion.
damn not Na´Vi
Post edited 2012-01-07 09:28:35
I don't agree. Now that they probably will gonna participate in GC Kiev, this also means that Na`Vi will have a chance qualify to IEM World Championship, which will start later on this year. No matter that they're defending champs, they still don't have a spot in the finals. And as you might known, IEM World Championship is probably top2 tournament of CS, alongside with ESWC (and maybe even DreamHack too). So...
And what about EG is that they have almost been gone from CS World Scene last year. They only have participated in 2 tournaments outside of NA:
IEM5 World Championship (Germany)
WCG Pan-America (Brazil)
Well and they also have participate in:
IEM6 Global Challenge New York
That's it. So it's not a big loss for the world scene, maybe for North and South America scenes.
Post edited 2012-01-07 14:55:35
n0thing should join b2b
something like Semphis-Sgares-swag-n0thing-eleint/noswal
would be n1ce
only interesting thing is we'll be able to see how navi will cheat this time
nice competition ahead
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Post edited 2012-01-07 13:05:42
Interview with carmac... i hope u able read russian most of latvians do...
Post edited 2012-01-07 13:20:13
btw, yes i am able to read russian, but not fluently, so its easier for me just to use google translator :P
I can truly say CS have more vievers then CSS, but thats not enough for Big tournament makers, because game become not global anymore... maybe there is a lot of ppl playing cs1.6 around the world but they play just for fun... and valve cant make much more money out of this game and they will do everythink to replace it with CS:Go if they fail Big tournament makers will find some other shooter game to replace Cs 1.6 Because only europe have a lot of teams and they want all the world participiate in the game... Dont be naive! Yes there will be people who will remain with playing this game, but just for fun, because in tournaments will be some other shooter game, it will be CS:Go or something alse we will see...
players quit and teams disbands
new talents comes and makes new teams
now n0thing needs to get in x6.