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Valve fly in Volcano for map tweaking
Valve will bring Sal "Volcano" Garozzo to their office complex in Bellevue near Seattle, to help tweak and discuss maps in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive.
It's been awfully quiet since Valve released the limited beta for CS:GO on November 30. The game developer has recently announced via their twitter account, that former Team 3D member Sal "Volcano" Garozzo will be at the Valve headquarters next week, in order to provide his personal feedback on the game.
Garozzo is currently playing CS:S for team Dynamic, who recently won the GameCom CSGO Invitational Tournament, was also involved in the feedback session that Valve had with CS 1.6 and CS:S players at IEM6 Global Challenge New York.
Volcano during CS:GO showmatch at IEM6 Global Challenge New York
Meanwhile, also via twitter, the development team has given a chance for the fans to choose what map should be the next in line to be released in the beta.
Maps have in general been criticized for the abusive fog and dust particles and the excess of props. Whether this is something Garozzo will touch upon during his feedback session with Valve is something we can only guess about.
Tags: Volcano, Valve, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, CS:GO
This can't be bad, or?
2012-01-19 23:11:06
let valve do whatever they want even if cs 1.6 die at competitive level we will never stop enjoying this amazing game!
2012-01-20 13:11:41
CS 1.6 is not an amazing game. It's full of bugs, out dated, and dull nowadays. Once competitive level dies out, everyone will move on to better looking games, with better gameplays, only stubborn and dumb will stay.
2012-01-20 15:26:45
lol you are absolutely wrong.
2012-01-20 16:04:37
how am I wrong? Yes, I still love 1.6 even though i stopped playing it, just from time to time checking news to see how it's going. But the fact is, 1.6 IS DYING, if you don't see it, I'm so sorry for you. The game is struggling with it's player-base, and prize money is getting smaller.
2012-01-20 17:44:57
Isn't dieing we won't let it die!
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Post edited 2012-01-20 19:07:46
2012-01-20 19:07:03
Qustion to you then. Do you concider Warcraft 3 as a dead game?
2012-01-20 23:00:50
Yes, MOBBA (spelling?) games came from Dota as the original idea. Everyone mostly plays LoL/HoN/Dota 2 now.
Most Warcraft 3 gamers went to Starcraft 2 because of the same amount of mod ability and relation between the two games.
Most Warcraft 3 gamers went to Starcraft 2 because of the same amount of mod ability and relation between the two games.
2012-01-22 11:08:26
Well, actually DotA is still biggest of those, unless you take LoL, HoN and Dota 2 combined. I also suggest you take a look at Battle.net within Warcraft 3. There are still many matches (not talking dota) still going. I mean, of course the game have lost a lot of population since the competitive scene died. But there are still life in the game and thats thanks to the community.
2012-01-22 16:01:12
"of course the game have lost a lot of population since the competitive scene died"
and a quote from your last post
"Do you concider Warcraft 3 as a dead game?"
The whole topic was about the competitive scene, not the actual game :P
and a quote from your last post
"Do you concider Warcraft 3 as a dead game?"
The whole topic was about the competitive scene, not the actual game :P
2012-01-22 17:22:25
LoL has the most players of all online multiplayer games, not only moba games.
-July 2011 15million people, before that WoW had 12 million at first place
Post edited 2012-02-28 16:45:56
-July 2011 15million people, before that WoW had 12 million at first place
Post edited 2012-02-28 16:45:56
2012-02-28 16:44:08
what fps game have better gameplay than cs 1.6? hahaha ok joke boy ;DD
2012-01-20 16:06:40
most of people play cs 1.6 becuase they enjoy it. they dont care about competitive level.... do you realy think that most of pro gamers happy with their prize money from the tournaments?
2012-01-20 16:12:27
If there is no competition, there is no fun. To compete is in us, in humans. That's what is fun. Compete. Be better than everyone else. And no, I wouldn't say pro-gamers are happy with their prize money, if anything I would say they want more $.
2012-01-20 17:46:07
... dude for exemple me,i play for fun with friends.... compete with friends.... but if competitve level die (i mean tournaments) it will not affect me... and most of us ,becuase we play for fun,with friends
2012-01-20 20:09:52
i think what he means is that even if competive scene dies you will still compete to be better than your friends when you will play
2012-02-15 02:47:24
"Once competitive level dies out, everyone will move on to better looking games, with better gameplays"
No game has better gameplay. End of discussion.
No game has better gameplay. End of discussion.
2012-01-22 12:09:39
good luck thinking like that dude
2012-01-22 15:24:18
I've managed so far.
Name one game with better competitive game play?
Name one game with better competitive game play?
2012-01-22 16:14:10
And there will never be... *sigh*
Totally agreeing with you, on this.
Totally agreeing with you, on this.
2012-02-28 12:55:49
Volcano!!! 3D | Garozzo
2012-01-19 23:11:11
nice
2012-01-19 23:12:24
i hope he'll say : cs:go is a pure bullshit. put more money on cs 1.6 at lan, noobs.
2012-01-19 23:12:27
he plays cs:s lol, so i wouldn't count on that
2012-01-19 23:13:16
he played a lot 1.6, then, i hope =)
2012-01-19 23:15:10
well atleast he played 1.5 and 1.6 alot so maybe hes not that bad :P
2012-01-19 23:29:23
i know, but he plays css instead of 1.6, his team is one of the best teams in the world, they will probably move from css to cs:go, do the math :)
2012-01-19 23:43:50
He's played every version of Counter-Strike that has been available. I'm sure Sal won't be biased toward 1.6 or CSS, he wants a game everyone can enjoy.
2012-01-20 02:59:58
+1 He's not narrow minded like people on this site.
2012-01-20 03:28:54
Narrow minded in as we don't want a modified Source port to consoles :D?
2012-01-20 12:01:51
Satanion, I love you.
2012-01-20 14:40:55
that's how the idea started for the new cs, what's wrong with that?
2012-01-20 18:25:13
Everything if you ask me :<
2012-01-20 18:39:49
Well you are biased then.
2012-01-20 18:41:10
Yes, but I don't think people are narrow-minded just because they prefer the original gameplay.
2012-01-20 18:49:39
But they are narrow minded when they complain about gameplay that they haven't even seen yet. O_O
2012-01-20 19:22:30
CS:GO is in beta, not really sure what you mean?
2012-01-20 19:36:40
He means the majority of complainers have not tried the game due to the OPEN beta not being out yet, so they don't have the right to judge.
2012-01-22 11:10:28
"gameplay that they haven't even seen yet"
Also, I do think people have the right to judge what they have seen. I don't have to taste my dogs shit to judge whether or not it is something I would like to eat, every single feature about it looks awful.
Also, I do think people have the right to judge what they have seen. I don't have to taste my dogs shit to judge whether or not it is something I would like to eat, every single feature about it looks awful.
2012-01-22 11:16:09
You can't compare these two things. Everyone grows up to know and share the same boundaries that you don't eat your dog's shit. While this is a video game with multiple opinions and varied perspectives in which it all comes down to self preference and/or how well the person considers key points of game play and how well they consider it to be executed.
Thinking it looks awful is your OPINION not everyone's, and you can think what you want to think. However keep in mind that not everyone has the same opinion as you do, and not everyone thinks the game doesn't have potential. Not something you get from talking about dog crap?
Thinking it looks awful is your OPINION not everyone's, and you can think what you want to think. However keep in mind that not everyone has the same opinion as you do, and not everyone thinks the game doesn't have potential. Not something you get from talking about dog crap?
2012-01-22 11:22:18
When people judge the game they are just sharing their own opinion, nobody is claiming that everyone hates CS:GO.
Of course it wasn't the best comparison, but people don't have to try the game to judge it. At the end of the day a lot of people just don't want to play the game because they think it has gone too far away from 1.6.
Stuff like that can be seen from videos, just like the potential some people think the game has can.
Of course it wasn't the best comparison, but people don't have to try the game to judge it. At the end of the day a lot of people just don't want to play the game because they think it has gone too far away from 1.6.
Stuff like that can be seen from videos, just like the potential some people think the game has can.
2012-01-22 11:31:16
I admit the game has a bad first impression, although I will try to support Valve simply because they are trying and everything they said about the game is not "set in stone", that everything about the game can change. That's the first time they ever did that, I think that's a valid reason to be supportive to me. The fact they WANT it to succeed and that the game is based on community feedback, SHOULD technically give it a great future. All yet to be seen though.
2012-01-22 11:59:20
why on mother earth would he say that? something has got to change clearly, why cant they improve CS:GO? i remember reading the same shit when 1.6 came out, "1.5 FOR LIFE wowoOWOWOowoWOWOWOOWOWOWooow" grow up, jesus
2012-01-19 23:47:32
i can't say something like that ? i played, and saw some other critics about.
i don't say 1.6 for life. i just don't understand why they are trying to delete cs1.6 instead cs:go.
i don't say 1.6 for life. i just don't understand why they are trying to delete cs1.6 instead cs:go.
2012-01-20 00:31:24
you can't possibly expect them to invest in 1.6? really now, you're swiss, i thought you guys were good with money
2012-01-20 00:48:32
not all swiss are rich like in your dream. ;)
2012-01-20 01:04:52
Because gaming has evolved and moved on from 1.6.
Because playing a game that looks as bad as 1.6 now is generally played for nostalgia reasons (ie look at Goldeneye on N64), no new sponsors will invest in a game that looks like it was from the 90's, when gaming nowadays is much better looking.
And the fact that PC Gaming as a whole isn't as big as consoles brings in that extra element.
The strange fact is no one new, will be investing in Counter Strike 1.6 and whilst it is a great game, sometimes these games have to be shelved so that other games can take it's place and help push the scene forward.
I haven't even bothered to mention that if you want to see new fresh players come through, then a new game is the best way of doing this, if you make a good game, then people will think and then look around for the previous games to play.
Because playing a game that looks as bad as 1.6 now is generally played for nostalgia reasons (ie look at Goldeneye on N64), no new sponsors will invest in a game that looks like it was from the 90's, when gaming nowadays is much better looking.
And the fact that PC Gaming as a whole isn't as big as consoles brings in that extra element.
The strange fact is no one new, will be investing in Counter Strike 1.6 and whilst it is a great game, sometimes these games have to be shelved so that other games can take it's place and help push the scene forward.
I haven't even bothered to mention that if you want to see new fresh players come through, then a new game is the best way of doing this, if you make a good game, then people will think and then look around for the previous games to play.
2012-01-20 00:57:03
i see your point, but cs:go is not THAT game who everyboy want to invest in. My opinon.
2012-01-20 01:06:23
I'm guessing you have played it?
2012-01-20 01:07:32
Not yet. i want to try it, i'm not that hater like : fuu cs:go. i just want to try it to forge a real opinon.
but i saw a lot of "critics" about, it looks like more than cs:s with a part of Modern Warfare and some other games.
I'm a little bit disapoited, because cs:go is not that counter strike who everybody knows. It's another game with the same name.
PS : #53 i did a mistake, i forgot to write something, i didn't want to mean i have played that game.
i already saw your nickname, are you working for valve ?
but i saw a lot of "critics" about, it looks like more than cs:s with a part of Modern Warfare and some other games.
I'm a little bit disapoited, because cs:go is not that counter strike who everybody knows. It's another game with the same name.
PS : #53 i did a mistake, i forgot to write something, i didn't want to mean i have played that game.
i already saw your nickname, are you working for valve ?
2012-01-20 01:15:40
No I dont work for Valve.
Just because critics say it looks like Modern Warfare/CS:S doesn't mean it is those two games. Critics said how good Duke Nukem Forever was a good game, it turned out to be a bitter disappointment.
Until you have tried a game and played around with it for at least a week or two, you cannot really say whether it's not worth Valves time to produce it.
Just because critics say it looks like Modern Warfare/CS:S doesn't mean it is those two games. Critics said how good Duke Nukem Forever was a good game, it turned out to be a bitter disappointment.
Until you have tried a game and played around with it for at least a week or two, you cannot really say whether it's not worth Valves time to produce it.
2012-01-20 20:47:02
yeah that's why, i really want to try it to have a real, and own opinon about.
2012-01-21 00:28:44
Thats because 1.6 was retarded with the addition of stupid shit like the shield and STEAM being introduced. Other than that there wasnt much difference between 1.5 and 1.6 except for a few new weapons. There were plenty of 1.5 servers still around so quite a large amount of people stayed 1.5 for at least a few months after 1.6 was out.
2012-01-20 02:45:08
Well, probably he can help Valve putting a little more effort in creating maps and as well in creating a little better gameplay. That would be enough for a start in my opinion.
2012-01-20 00:46:26
yep, maybe, and i hope you're right =)
2012-01-20 01:20:00
How can you judge a game that A) you havent played b) is still in beta? Thats some bad judgement.
Don't you realize that 1.6 isn't interesting enough today, to be put money into. Rather put money in SC2 or LoL where the viewerships are huge compared to 1.6 atm.
Don't you realize that 1.6 isn't interesting enough today, to be put money into. Rather put money in SC2 or LoL where the viewerships are huge compared to 1.6 atm.
2012-01-21 22:09:41
Nice decision since he also made a competitive map for CSS and it seemed to be well received/he tweaked it a lot based off feedback from the community.
2012-01-19 23:12:44
CS:S player ..
2012-01-19 23:12:54
Exactly... cs:s player.
They should talk with some european cs 1.6 legend like heaton, walle, spawn, etc...
Post edited 2012-01-19 23:17:10
They should talk with some european cs 1.6 legend like heaton, walle, spawn, etc...
Post edited 2012-01-19 23:17:10
2012-01-19 23:16:16
garozzo already played CS:1.6 so...
2012-01-19 23:49:16
No, they should talk to a legend that played BOTH 1.6 and CSS at a high level ;)
2012-01-19 23:54:05
+1 true story
2012-01-20 00:42:38
wouldnt make sense to bring these retired players on, id prefer to see get right, carn there
2012-01-20 00:46:44
get right nop... but i would say cArn,markeloff,ceh9,f0rest and neo for sure
ceh9 becuase he would scream when playing cs go saying SUCK MY D*CK,FKING BULLSHIT GAME )) or something like that. and then the valve will understand that cs go rly suckz (at this moment)
ceh9 becuase he would scream when playing cs go saying SUCK MY D*CK,FKING BULLSHIT GAME )) or something like that. and then the valve will understand that cs go rly suckz (at this moment)
2012-01-20 16:15:39
LOL volcano is a 1.6 LEGEND, you kids started playing in like 2009, just gtfo pls
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2012-01-20 02:37:54
+1
2012-01-20 02:38:55
agree with you.. they have to take a 1.6 player !
2012-01-19 23:17:40
CS:GO away
2012-01-19 23:14:01
definitely a step forward but Valve needs more pros helping in the develpment tbh. sucks that he has not played 1.5 competitively for around 6 years now.
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Post edited 2012-01-19 23:17:23
2012-01-19 23:14:35
great, one of the first CSS converters get's this role <_<
2012-01-19 23:15:50
with GaroZzo representing the CS:S community, now they just need cArn and everything is solved.
2012-01-19 23:17:27
Nice Volcano my favourite american player :-) such a pure aimer!
2012-01-19 23:18:39
No seriously, they dont need those thousands of people who play 1.6? Stop bringing source players, please!
2012-01-19 23:19:42
true, volcano never played 1.6 wtf lol ...
2012-01-20 00:18:24
Yes he played, in 1999. Good one.
2012-01-20 00:32:17
nice, another CSS fan into the crew... I hope he turns the game even more CSS alike, then most of the people will realize how bad the game is and will jump off the bandwagon
2012-01-19 23:21:45
I've been playing 1.6 for at least 8 years myself and I hate Source but the reason Source is bad aren't the reasons why the people who play it enjoy the game. Volcano isn't going to tell Valve to make running and shooting with very little recoil a good aspect of the game. Hes not going to tell them that the flash bang needs to be overpowered. Hes not going to tell them to make the hitboxes bigger and make the player models bigger and the maps smaller by scale.
Furthermore, a guy like Volcano has a better understanding of both CS:S and CS 1.6 than anyone posting in this thread. He has played at the highest level in both games and hes taken home huge championship wins on the internation stage and hes played on some of the greatest teams to ever touch the game so I think we'd all be wise to have some faith in his opinion.
Furthermore, a guy like Volcano has a better understanding of both CS:S and CS 1.6 than anyone posting in this thread. He has played at the highest level in both games and hes taken home huge championship wins on the internation stage and hes played on some of the greatest teams to ever touch the game so I think we'd all be wise to have some faith in his opinion.
2012-01-20 01:31:07
the point is: he left 1.6 for CSS... so I don't think he cares about how better 1.6 is, and I bet he is going to change CS:GO to be like a CSS2
2012-01-20 02:25:34
he left 1.6 bc all of his teammates left 1.6, he plays css with his friends now, im sure if 1.6 was as big as it used to be and he still had friends that played 1.6, he would still be playing....
2012-01-20 02:43:03
He left because he got offered a large amount of money (gaming money) to play CS:S in CGS for 2 seasons. He was a huge star in TSG and 3D in normal CS. Anyone who doesnt know who he is or what hes done in CS is a newb.
If they are smart they will try and make improvements to get the game closer to 1.6 and bring over all the 1.6 kids since the game seems to be on its last legs. Most probably there will be another split in the communities and CS:GO will have a small player base for at least a few years and everyone will be waiting for CS:2
If they are smart they will try and make improvements to get the game closer to 1.6 and bring over all the 1.6 kids since the game seems to be on its last legs. Most probably there will be another split in the communities and CS:GO will have a small player base for at least a few years and everyone will be waiting for CS:2
2012-01-20 02:55:51
I know who he is, I have watched barey all his matches in 1.6, in international tournaments... and fRoD left 1.6 to play CGS, but as soon as CGS died, he came back to 1.6, so that's not a valid point
And I don't really care about his past accomplishments, he left the game a long time ago...Valve should look for players like, HeatoN, neo, walle, SpawN, since the euro scene have been much better and competitive than the american one, who is pretty dead since the creation CGS, also, they would only focus on put the good 1.6 points on CS:GO, and that's what they're supposed to want
Post edited 2012-01-20 03:04:11
And I don't really care about his past accomplishments, he left the game a long time ago...Valve should look for players like, HeatoN, neo, walle, SpawN, since the euro scene have been much better and competitive than the american one, who is pretty dead since the creation CGS, also, they would only focus on put the good 1.6 points on CS:GO, and that's what they're supposed to want
Post edited 2012-01-20 03:04:11
2012-01-20 03:03:43
LOL and you dont think HeatoN and SpawN have left the game and moved onto other things in their life. Same thing with Volcano, only difference is he still plays occasionally with friends. Be it 1.6 or CS:S.
The only reason fRoD kept playing is because hes got nothing better to do with his life. Volcano has reached the age where hes got more important things to keep him occupied like actually getting laid. fRoD has no chance of this happening.
Also Valve probably want someone who can articulate their feelings and ideas of the game. Not have some broken english conversations and get lost in translation.
The only reason fRoD kept playing is because hes got nothing better to do with his life. Volcano has reached the age where hes got more important things to keep him occupied like actually getting laid. fRoD has no chance of this happening.
Also Valve probably want someone who can articulate their feelings and ideas of the game. Not have some broken english conversations and get lost in translation.
2012-01-20 04:34:14
volcano played cs 1.6 at a professional level and Source at a professional level.
I'm pretty sure he knows what this game needs to make the 1.6 player switch to it....
I'm pretty sure he knows what this game needs to make the 1.6 player switch to it....
2012-01-19 23:23:53
that's easy: it needs the 1.6 gameplay
as long as Valve stated that it's IMPOSSIBLE, there's nothing he can do
Post edited 2012-01-19 23:58:46
as long as Valve stated that it's IMPOSSIBLE, there's nothing he can do
Post edited 2012-01-19 23:58:46
2012-01-19 23:58:07
You're implying that anything different than 1.6 is automatically bad.
Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that the game doesn't need to be 1.6. It doesn't need to be Source either. Why cant they make a new game that is competitively viable? Other genres do it all the time. Look at the fighting game genre. Capcom vs SNK, Street Fighter 4, Street Fighter 3, King of Fighters XIII, Marvel vs Capcom 2, Tatsunoko Vs Capcom, they all play differently and they have a lot of nuance to them that is vastly different from each other yet they are all very good competitive games and they were all generally accepted by the competitive community.
Please, stop having this stupid idea that if it isn't 1.6 then its automatically bad. CS:GO isn't good right now and it needs a lot of work but as long as people like you keep saying that they cant make it good unless it plays like 1.6 then nobody is ever going to listen to us 1.6ers because they think we are nostalgic fucking without any rhyme or reason as to why 1.6 is good.
Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that the game doesn't need to be 1.6. It doesn't need to be Source either. Why cant they make a new game that is competitively viable? Other genres do it all the time. Look at the fighting game genre. Capcom vs SNK, Street Fighter 4, Street Fighter 3, King of Fighters XIII, Marvel vs Capcom 2, Tatsunoko Vs Capcom, they all play differently and they have a lot of nuance to them that is vastly different from each other yet they are all very good competitive games and they were all generally accepted by the competitive community.
Please, stop having this stupid idea that if it isn't 1.6 then its automatically bad. CS:GO isn't good right now and it needs a lot of work but as long as people like you keep saying that they cant make it good unless it plays like 1.6 then nobody is ever going to listen to us 1.6ers because they think we are nostalgic fucking without any rhyme or reason as to why 1.6 is good.
2012-01-20 01:38:18
I'm not saying: 'if its not 1.6 its bad'
I'm saying: if the gameplay is worse, the game is worse, it's quite simple... and since 1.6 gameplay is near to flawless, i have it like a perfect gameplay. CS:GO gameplay looks terrible, so it makes the game terrible too, that's my opinion, and I don't give a fuck to graphics, not even a single fuck
I'm saying: if the gameplay is worse, the game is worse, it's quite simple... and since 1.6 gameplay is near to flawless, i have it like a perfect gameplay. CS:GO gameplay looks terrible, so it makes the game terrible too, that's my opinion, and I don't give a fuck to graphics, not even a single fuck
2012-01-20 02:51:47
LOL... amazing comment.
"1.6 gameplay is near to flawless"... wait so the original bugs in the game, are now flawless gameplay and an example of what a game should be?
Someone needs to start looking up their history of Counter Strike here.
"1.6 gameplay is near to flawless"... wait so the original bugs in the game, are now flawless gameplay and an example of what a game should be?
Someone needs to start looking up their history of Counter Strike here.
2012-01-20 20:57:15
yes it was bugged back then, but now they have enough experience for the years spent on HL, CS, CZ, CSS and the whole source engine... they are supposed to know how to create a good game since the very first version, they have enough experience and money for that
2012-01-20 21:02:38
Well yes and no, it depends on what they are setting out to achieve, from the ofset they have stated CS:GO won't be CS2, which is fair enough, however they have also stated that until the community is happy with the game generally, it won't be released publically to people who aern't aware of CS.
So in that sense they are trying to say, if you want to help, then give constructive criticism to help them develop a great competitive game, adding various people including the feedback sessions they have had with both Source Pro players and 1.6 Pro Players, and adding someone of Volcano's history really serves to this purpose.
The point I was making was the fact you state that "1.6 gameplay is near to flawless", you are stating that 1.6 is the perfect game. If this was true, then all game developers would be looking to achieve what 1.6 has done, and develop something close to that. Unfortunately they haven't, and I would imagine Valve won't either because what you class as perfect is infact the opposite as the bugs eventually became features by the desired outcome of the professionals and the community as a whole. As time has gone on, people have decided for whatever reason not to change certain aspects of the game, and therefore we have ended up with CS1.6 doing what it is doing now.
The other point is the fact that people like you won't accept whatever Valve produce because it is very likely going to be nothing like CS 1.6 something that Valve stated. They could change 1.6 but then when they did that (I watched the interview between nix0n and the Valve developer last month), the community hatred just came out for changing their game slightly, and what they wanted to do was build a completely new and fresh game (hence why I love the bold choices of a completely new aspect to the game and also new maps which I imagine Volcano will advise them on how to make competitive.) He stated that quite clearly 1.6 & Source will remain the same games, but this was an experimentation with whether they can build a new completely fresh Counter Strike Game, and make it appeal to both exsisting communities and new people as well.
That to me sounds like a fantastic plan, because anything that can bridge two communities and bring new blood is not a bad thing, it's a great thing. Yes gameplay should be important, but adapting to new situations and evolving as a whole will help the CS Community stay in there in eSports with the big boys currently (ie StarCraft 2, DoTA2, LoL).
So in that sense they are trying to say, if you want to help, then give constructive criticism to help them develop a great competitive game, adding various people including the feedback sessions they have had with both Source Pro players and 1.6 Pro Players, and adding someone of Volcano's history really serves to this purpose.
The point I was making was the fact you state that "1.6 gameplay is near to flawless", you are stating that 1.6 is the perfect game. If this was true, then all game developers would be looking to achieve what 1.6 has done, and develop something close to that. Unfortunately they haven't, and I would imagine Valve won't either because what you class as perfect is infact the opposite as the bugs eventually became features by the desired outcome of the professionals and the community as a whole. As time has gone on, people have decided for whatever reason not to change certain aspects of the game, and therefore we have ended up with CS1.6 doing what it is doing now.
The other point is the fact that people like you won't accept whatever Valve produce because it is very likely going to be nothing like CS 1.6 something that Valve stated. They could change 1.6 but then when they did that (I watched the interview between nix0n and the Valve developer last month), the community hatred just came out for changing their game slightly, and what they wanted to do was build a completely new and fresh game (hence why I love the bold choices of a completely new aspect to the game and also new maps which I imagine Volcano will advise them on how to make competitive.) He stated that quite clearly 1.6 & Source will remain the same games, but this was an experimentation with whether they can build a new completely fresh Counter Strike Game, and make it appeal to both exsisting communities and new people as well.
That to me sounds like a fantastic plan, because anything that can bridge two communities and bring new blood is not a bad thing, it's a great thing. Yes gameplay should be important, but adapting to new situations and evolving as a whole will help the CS Community stay in there in eSports with the big boys currently (ie StarCraft 2, DoTA2, LoL).
2012-01-20 21:48:44
ok, but for that point of view, I would go for CSP instead of CS:GO, they REALLY know what we, 1.6 players, want in a new CS...
they are doing a good game (TRYING TO REPLICATE EXACTLY THE SAME GAMEPLAY OF 1.6, WICH IS MY POINT) without any sponsors, without even being a real studio, they are just guys spending their free time in a project: keep 1.6 alive for ever (as long as it's gameplay is perfect, and the game is running well, free of bugs, they could just port the game to any super modern engines, yet to be created, like Source Engine 2 or Crytek 4)... my point is, counter-strike have been the most sucessfull fps because of the gameplay, that's crystal clear to me... I wouldn't play a 'new' counter-strike just because it has 'counter-strike' on the name, I don't care about it's name, I care about it gameplay. That's why I think any Battlefield or CoD game are total shit, I can't stand the gameplay of these series (and compared to CS, any other FPS looks boring to me, the only that brought me similar fun when I played was 007 Goldeneye, back when there was no CS or even HL, or even Windows 98)
they are doing a good game (TRYING TO REPLICATE EXACTLY THE SAME GAMEPLAY OF 1.6, WICH IS MY POINT) without any sponsors, without even being a real studio, they are just guys spending their free time in a project: keep 1.6 alive for ever (as long as it's gameplay is perfect, and the game is running well, free of bugs, they could just port the game to any super modern engines, yet to be created, like Source Engine 2 or Crytek 4)... my point is, counter-strike have been the most sucessfull fps because of the gameplay, that's crystal clear to me... I wouldn't play a 'new' counter-strike just because it has 'counter-strike' on the name, I don't care about it's name, I care about it gameplay. That's why I think any Battlefield or CoD game are total shit, I can't stand the gameplay of these series (and compared to CS, any other FPS looks boring to me, the only that brought me similar fun when I played was 007 Goldeneye, back when there was no CS or even HL, or even Windows 98)
2012-01-20 23:23:52
"(TRYING TO REPLICATE EXACTLY THE SAME GAMEPLAY OF 1.6, WICH IS MY POINT)"
It seems like you have misread what I put. There is no way in hell you can replicate exactly the same gameplay of 1.6, anyone thinking they can is cheating themselves and basically being a little naive.
I hardly know much about coding games, but literally replicating the same conditions across a game to another game is well lets just say theres no chance. This is proven time and time again with every single game tweak, every single game made, and the bugs that do come up.
CSP the latest one was a great step in the right direction, but it will never be exactly like 1.6 and that is where you are going wrong in your hopes and aspirations, because you cannot find a game that will have exactly the same gameplay. Hence why you have to adapt in life and move on.
Oh and your point on Battlefield 3, I am guessing you have played the game right? If so fair play, but I absolutely love the game, and infact competitively it is an absolutely sublime game, two different modes, and massive maps to cover which makes the game more interesting.
Post edited 2012-01-21 01:51:45
It seems like you have misread what I put. There is no way in hell you can replicate exactly the same gameplay of 1.6, anyone thinking they can is cheating themselves and basically being a little naive.
I hardly know much about coding games, but literally replicating the same conditions across a game to another game is well lets just say theres no chance. This is proven time and time again with every single game tweak, every single game made, and the bugs that do come up.
CSP the latest one was a great step in the right direction, but it will never be exactly like 1.6 and that is where you are going wrong in your hopes and aspirations, because you cannot find a game that will have exactly the same gameplay. Hence why you have to adapt in life and move on.
Oh and your point on Battlefield 3, I am guessing you have played the game right? If so fair play, but I absolutely love the game, and infact competitively it is an absolutely sublime game, two different modes, and massive maps to cover which makes the game more interesting.
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2012-01-21 01:49:40
then theres nothing anyone can do....it doesnt matter if a 1.6 player is helping them or a source player, u already said its impossible...so why complain about someone from source helping them? it makes no difference...
2012-01-20 02:44:11
I say GO is a sequel to Source,Promod to 1.6,despite the claims of Valve.
2012-01-19 23:25:29
i heard somewhere that volcano is guy who doesnt know how to say no. so if they ask abour recoil (what is fucked up) he says yeah you should improve it. he should say the whole recoil system is fucked up.(im not sure who said this but if im correct it was lurppis)
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Post edited 2012-01-19 23:30:21
2012-01-19 23:28:51
im sure lurppis barely knows volcano...
2012-01-20 02:45:02
Yeah bro. Lurppis only was in the US scene for a while...
lights on plz.
lights on plz.
2012-01-20 22:01:29
he was only in the US scene for a little while and that wasnt during volcanos time...i doubt he knows much about volcano at all...
2012-01-21 00:26:59
and he got the boot cause he is a troll
2012-01-21 20:11:55
from EG? XD hahahahaha, clueless man is clueless.
2012-01-21 22:07:07
Not really that hard. They could have done it on the phone, because all he has to say is: Remove all the shit. That means fog/dust and the various useless objects that fucks up the maps and makes the game much harder to follow for spectators.
2012-01-19 23:36:52
Am i the only one who imagined "Valve fly in volcano" as valve people on a plane nosediving into an red hot active volcano inside? Only for a moment?
2012-01-19 23:39:12
They should call actual 1.6 players
2012-01-19 23:41:43
instead of calling carn, robban, walle, heaton, spawn and actually people who have been on the scene forever - they call volcano !
2012-01-19 23:44:13
CS1.6 FOREVER
2012-01-19 23:44:33
PEOPLE COMMENTING HERE ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS! thank you very much..
i mean garozzo already played 1.6, and very well, so he knows what he wants, he know what a 1.6 player want, so give him some credit! i believe that Valve knows whats wrong with the game so far, 1.6 didnt came out of nowhere, give them time for christ sakes, always complain day after day!
Post edited 2012-01-19 23:52:39
i mean garozzo already played 1.6, and very well, so he knows what he wants, he know what a 1.6 player want, so give him some credit! i believe that Valve knows whats wrong with the game so far, 1.6 didnt came out of nowhere, give them time for christ sakes, always complain day after day!
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2012-01-19 23:50:29
and so do not pile GO
2012-01-20 00:21:36
Good Job Valve, and a good move to be honest.
But I'd love to see a new map instead of the same old dust2/dust/aztec/inf/nuke just to see if Valve/HPE can be creative and think of what makes a good competitive map to perhaps muscle in with our oldschool maps.
But I'd love to see a new map instead of the same old dust2/dust/aztec/inf/nuke just to see if Valve/HPE can be creative and think of what makes a good competitive map to perhaps muscle in with our oldschool maps.
2012-01-20 00:32:48
ok imo this is not a good move since volcano hasnt played on a pro level the past 4-5 years so how should he know what pro teams like and dislike at maps.
imo they should pick a more active player maybe n0thing who is working wit the EG but not playing in an official team....
imo they should pick a more active player maybe n0thing who is working wit the EG but not playing in an official team....
2012-01-20 00:40:25
yet has played the game for a very very long time.... amazing stuff you forget there.
Not being funny, just being out of the game for a little while doesn't make a difference, you know exactly what makes a balanced competitive map. And even then it's not like he's creating a new map for 1.6, he's creating maps for CS:GO and therefore has a different engine to look at (and then I could go into the fact that he may understand the Source engine coding a lot better than someone like n0thing) considering Volcano has created maps on CS:S.
Not being funny, just being out of the game for a little while doesn't make a difference, you know exactly what makes a balanced competitive map. And even then it's not like he's creating a new map for 1.6, he's creating maps for CS:GO and therefore has a different engine to look at (and then I could go into the fact that he may understand the Source engine coding a lot better than someone like n0thing) considering Volcano has created maps on CS:S.
2012-01-20 00:50:51
Game Development 101, for valve.
1) Get a team of, say, 20-30 real legends and current players.
2) Let them decide exactly what goes into the game.
3) When the game is decent, open a public beta, tweak the game according to feedback.
4) Release with a huge tournament.
5) Congratulations, you will now dominate the competetive fps genre for another 15 years.
1) Get a team of, say, 20-30 real legends and current players.
2) Let them decide exactly what goes into the game.
3) When the game is decent, open a public beta, tweak the game according to feedback.
4) Release with a huge tournament.
5) Congratulations, you will now dominate the competetive fps genre for another 15 years.
2012-01-20 00:54:35
Damn why haven't other game developers thought of these great suggestions....
I wonder why?
COD4, COD6 all did over $1billion in sales world wide, and they did none of that.
If Valve did that, yes it would be a step in the right direction, but they may aswell just said to the players "you design the game, and we will see how well you do", unfortunately it doesn't work like that, and I guess you won't know why.
I wonder why?
COD4, COD6 all did over $1billion in sales world wide, and they did none of that.
If Valve did that, yes it would be a step in the right direction, but they may aswell just said to the players "you design the game, and we will see how well you do", unfortunately it doesn't work like that, and I guess you won't know why.
2012-01-20 01:00:24
Well yeah I know that's not realistically gonna happen.
Kids nowadays prefer games with 250 guns and cool perks instead of being playable on a competitive level.
Post edited 2012-01-20 01:04:09
Kids nowadays prefer games with 250 guns and cool perks instead of being playable on a competitive level.
Post edited 2012-01-20 01:04:09
2012-01-20 01:03:39
Yeah unfortunately that is the majority of people/kids.
Gameplay has been forgotten about but even I can understand that Valve will do the best they can to get good results.
And even if it doesn't they can look ahead to Half Life 3/Counter Strike 2, and work on their next gen engine.
I enjoy playing Battlefield 3 just because it is a sublime game, and has an awesome way to track your own personal statistics, unfortunate that EA/DICE decided against mod tools to help make the game slightly more competitive.
Gameplay has been forgotten about but even I can understand that Valve will do the best they can to get good results.
And even if it doesn't they can look ahead to Half Life 3/Counter Strike 2, and work on their next gen engine.
I enjoy playing Battlefield 3 just because it is a sublime game, and has an awesome way to track your own personal statistics, unfortunate that EA/DICE decided against mod tools to help make the game slightly more competitive.
2012-01-20 01:06:19
They did that for Dota 2, but obviously couldn't keep that up with Counter-Strike. :(
2012-01-20 05:53:28
Call in frod /
2012-01-20 01:35:00
a cs:s player providing feedback on cs:go, awesome news!!.. :D
2012-01-20 02:06:46
Are there really that many new Euros that you fools don't know that Volcano was one of the best players in the WORLD only about 6 yrs ago? Damn time flies but goddamn who the fuck doesn't know that Volcano was top 5 in the US and at times top 10 in the world? am i that old? wtf is going on?
2012-01-20 02:40:46
thank god,i read that they were going in expedition into a sort of vulcano or wtv
2012-01-20 04:11:30
again valve said CS:GO isnt CS2, so that can only means its a cash cow to make money of the cs name... i doubt it will get any farther than source
2012-01-20 06:23:57
Don't let a source player help with go maps ........
2012-01-20 06:25:51
MAP TWEAKING? SHOULD BE MORE LIKE GAME TWEAKING !!!!!!!!
2012-01-20 06:29:06
We're waiting new engine and CS2 so i hope CS:GO will be released soon.
2012-01-20 07:36:59
maps needs to be tweaked to look more like 1.6 - dust2 for example is very T sided on stairs, as there's nowhere to hide from flashes and the likes. needs to be a few more hiding/dodging places in my opinion.
2012-01-20 07:55:47
this guy is too nice to give feedback for developers
2012-01-20 08:52:21
I thought they were going inside to a volcano.
Oh dog what have done
Oh dog what have done
2012-01-20 09:12:30
Valve are doing this to convince people that this is a project they actually care about. To me it doesn't really matter what players they fly in because at the end of the day I don't think it will make any difference. Have they even updated the beta since that one update ages ago?
CZ, here we go again :s
CZ, here we go again :s
2012-01-20 12:12:14
As someone that knows Volcano very well, I think it is unfair to criminalize him for being "a CS:S player".
I think his experience in 1.6 speaks volumes. When he does ring for top North American teams during scrims, he still performs extremely well.
I can assure you Volcano actively follows the 1.6 scene far more than CS:S.
His decision to participate in CS:S was made for a number of reasons. He has a full time job in the financial world now that would NOT allow him to travel often. He wanted to play on the best team in America, but with his career, he wouldn't be able to commit to a 1.6 team. Moreover, he made some good friends in CS:S while most of his 1.6 friends retired. After playing a game for 10+ years, playing with friends became something rather important.
He does enjoy CS:S but his heart lies with 1.6. If given the choice, he'd much prefer that CS:GO reflected elements from 1.6 over CS:S. He doesn't like "excessive trash" in any version of CS whatsoever and I'm sure that will be reflected in his CS:GO feedback.
It's pretty disappointing to see everyone flame Volcano when he had such success in 1.6. He is the most dedicated Counter-Strike player I've ever met and put in countless hours the game. Heck, he's even up until 4am on work nights whenever there is a 1.6 event. Does he do that for CS:S? Not a chance.
Yes, he doesn't play on a 1.6 team right now, but if his work schedule was a bit more leniant, I could see him moving to CS 1.6 once again.
That being said, I wouldn't worry and would instead be happy about him being involved in the CS:GO project given his enormous history, lengthy list of accomplishments and pure appreciation of CS 1.6.
I think his experience in 1.6 speaks volumes. When he does ring for top North American teams during scrims, he still performs extremely well.
I can assure you Volcano actively follows the 1.6 scene far more than CS:S.
His decision to participate in CS:S was made for a number of reasons. He has a full time job in the financial world now that would NOT allow him to travel often. He wanted to play on the best team in America, but with his career, he wouldn't be able to commit to a 1.6 team. Moreover, he made some good friends in CS:S while most of his 1.6 friends retired. After playing a game for 10+ years, playing with friends became something rather important.
He does enjoy CS:S but his heart lies with 1.6. If given the choice, he'd much prefer that CS:GO reflected elements from 1.6 over CS:S. He doesn't like "excessive trash" in any version of CS whatsoever and I'm sure that will be reflected in his CS:GO feedback.
It's pretty disappointing to see everyone flame Volcano when he had such success in 1.6. He is the most dedicated Counter-Strike player I've ever met and put in countless hours the game. Heck, he's even up until 4am on work nights whenever there is a 1.6 event. Does he do that for CS:S? Not a chance.
Yes, he doesn't play on a 1.6 team right now, but if his work schedule was a bit more leniant, I could see him moving to CS 1.6 once again.
That being said, I wouldn't worry and would instead be happy about him being involved in the CS:GO project given his enormous history, lengthy list of accomplishments and pure appreciation of CS 1.6.
2012-01-20 12:17:04
CS:GO is bullshit if you compare it to 1.6, Valve want's to satisfy the CS:S players, not the 1.6'ers, we should realize that now and move on to CSPromod.
Hell, they even made the wallbangs in CS:GO CS:S'ish.
http://cspromod.com/community/showthread.php?t=463..
The future for CSP looks good imo.
Hell, they even made the wallbangs in CS:GO CS:S'ish.
http://cspromod.com/community/showthread.php?t=463..
The future for CSP looks good imo.
2012-01-20 14:44:23
CS 1.6 > CSP > CS:GO = CS:S < COD MW3 < BF3
they've been caught to the middle which REALLY satisfies no one.
they've been caught to the middle which REALLY satisfies no one.
2012-01-20 16:10:45
Valve wants to satisfy a majority of gamers! Not 1.6ers
New comers + CSS will have way more players than 1.6.
New comers + CSS will have way more players than 1.6.
2012-01-20 18:28:43
For a month maybe, but after that its back to 1.6
Just like what happened with CS:S
Just like what happened with CS:S
2012-02-28 12:07:51
facepalm... if you believe so
2012-02-28 14:27:17
Have you tried CS:GO?
I have. Its CSS2, with worse recoil. It will fail just like CSS.
Post edited 2012-02-28 14:37:50
I have. Its CSS2, with worse recoil. It will fail just like CSS.
Post edited 2012-02-28 14:37:50
2012-02-28 14:37:37
there should be 1.6 player aswell since counter-strike source ruined the map gameplay with changing the double doors @ dust2, removing the rock outside b @ dust2, catwalk box got lowered down. cspromod is closer on making good maps than cs:go, they should study em.
2012-01-20 16:06:49
how can people criticize valve for picking volcano? he was a top 1.6 player, he has source experience and he generally never sounded biased towards either one , so its the perfect choice. only other player that would come to mind is ksharp.
and to all ppl who keep saying gtr, f0rest etc, have they ever played source on a competitive level? seems to me all you want is a graphics update on 1.6 and be done with it.
just give cs:go a shot and see how it plays out , but always sticking to what you know wont get you anywhere.
oh and to the people suddenly hyping cs promod now, where have you been a year ago?
Post edited 2012-01-20 17:49:52
and to all ppl who keep saying gtr, f0rest etc, have they ever played source on a competitive level? seems to me all you want is a graphics update on 1.6 and be done with it.
just give cs:go a shot and see how it plays out , but always sticking to what you know wont get you anywhere.
oh and to the people suddenly hyping cs promod now, where have you been a year ago?
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2012-01-20 17:48:33
well spoken!
2012-01-20 19:10:58
+1
2012-03-19 12:20:02
Jesus christ... and I thought Americans were stupid.
I've never seen such dull minded retards in one thread in my life...
valve is a business.. they already allowed cs 1.6 to run rampant for a while because they obviously were nice people.. any other business would have just canned that project when CSS came out. They are here to make money, not to keep all of you 1999 pc using idiots happy.
CS:GO is the next thing ladies and gents.. if it all goes well and we unite all the CS communities this will trump SC2 as the biggest esport ever going into the future.
Let's quit being ignorant spastics and let's make this a true esports title.
I've never seen such dull minded retards in one thread in my life...
valve is a business.. they already allowed cs 1.6 to run rampant for a while because they obviously were nice people.. any other business would have just canned that project when CSS came out. They are here to make money, not to keep all of you 1999 pc using idiots happy.
CS:GO is the next thing ladies and gents.. if it all goes well and we unite all the CS communities this will trump SC2 as the biggest esport ever going into the future.
Let's quit being ignorant spastics and let's make this a true esports title.
2012-01-20 20:09:49
haha feeling right at home after reading your comment.
his point is valid , to the haters : just look past the insults
his point is valid , to the haters : just look past the insults
2012-01-20 20:33:03
their objective is to make money.
our objective is to keep playing a game we actually love.
unfortunately, no one would play a new game (Source, CS:GO etc.) to which no love is felt.
our objective is to keep playing a game we actually love.
unfortunately, no one would play a new game (Source, CS:GO etc.) to which no love is felt.
2012-01-20 21:32:00
Which is fine.
No one is forcing you to play any other game, but then no one is asking you to moan when prize pots are shifted to other games in favour of them.
No one is forcing you to play any other game, but then no one is asking you to moan when prize pots are shifted to other games in favour of them.
2012-01-20 22:14:23
See, you're making the mistake of assuming that (1) I whine over prize pots and (2) no one is forcing me to play any other game.
2012-01-20 22:24:29
The majority of people on this site deffo do.
At the end of the day if their objective was to make CS a cash cow, then there would have been a CS game every year like CoD.
At the end of the day if their objective was to make CS a cash cow, then there would have been a CS game every year like CoD.
2012-01-21 02:16:56
You stupid or what? They have steam which is a cash cow they don't need cs that much anymore... And go wont unite anything, the community will be torn between cs:go and other fps games, the majority of 1.6 players will retire or play it with friends. So the future will be sc2 and blizz games on top and a variety of fps and dota styled games, at least for the competetive scene. Just a short notice i'm a cs 1.x player and i'm willing to play a new visualy more pleasing cs but not if the gamelay suffers... And im not talking about russian walk, strafe jumps, i can't care less fore that if the feel resembels the 1.x ill play it but as it is now its soley made for fps beginners, console kiddies etc...
2012-02-28 12:23:19
hes 2x WCG 1.6 champion...man all these newcomers , blind ignorance or blissful stupidity ?
TEAM 3D TEAM 3D TEAM 3D
Post edited 2012-01-21 04:31:44
TEAM 3D TEAM 3D TEAM 3D
Post edited 2012-01-21 04:31:44
2012-01-21 04:30:59
No doubt new games will have better graphics and innovative functions like advanced physics and realistic animations etc etc. But as long as I follow game news and try them new games all out I can say there's no game that improved technical side of those amazing games we all love. I mean CS 1.x versions, Quake series, Call Of Duty 2 and so on. New games are either the same of worse from technical point of view and no point in denying they're all based on old mechanisms. That's the reason most professionals choose the old versions of game instead of new ones. All innovations summed up cant bring us as much fun and satisfaction as the mastodonts from our pastime. All these new features won't ever overcome the basic things like technics and in-game comfort. Because we play shooters first because of our in-game experience and see if it meets out expectations and sense of comfort. And then all these things like cool perks/achievements/physics/graphics come to our mind. My opinion.
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2012-02-15 02:43:11
Has these maps which are now in CS:GO already been tweaked??????
Wow, im gonna be mad if they are.
Wow, im gonna be mad if they are.
2012-02-28 12:05:10
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