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We are down to just four teams at the Intel Extreme Masters 6 World Championship where Lions will take on Na`Vi and SK is going to face ESC in the semi finals tomorrow.
Today started with ESC Gaming knocking out Moscow Five in a 2-0 win that featured a 16-14 win on de_tuscan and an easy 16-5 win on de_nuke where the Russians were completely outmatched.
The second quarter final was Patrik "cArn" Sättermon's last match before his reported retirement, and it certainly didn't go the way he would have liked. The series was even for the first fourteen rounds on de_tuscan, up until the score was 7-7.
At that point Arseny "ceh9" Trynozhenko won a one-on-three situation which propelled Na`Vi to win out 8-0 as Counter-Terrorists and then close out the series easily on de_train with a 16-4 win to advance one step closer to the grand final.
09:10
Natus Vincere
6-16 vs 15-15 vs 16-7 vs eSahara
16-14 vs mousesports
16-12 vs semXorah
6-16 vs TyLoo
16-8 vs Moscow Five
16-14 vs Anexis
16-9 vs WinFakt
16-14 vs ESC Gaming
16-7 vs 16-4 vs While Lions played very impressively in their own right while cruising to a first place finish in group B, I think so far in this tournament Na`Vi has looked far more impressive in their matches. I don't put too much weight on Lions' loss versus fnatic as they always seem to crumble against their fellow country men, and outside of that they're undefeated. Na`Vi, as I mentioned in my quarter finals preview, had a lot of arguments during their group stage but the eventual triumph after two comebacks against Anexis and ESC Gaming definitely helped their team morale, as was seen today while they stomped on fnatic, winning 25 out of the last 29 rounds in the series.
Lions needs a big performance from the man in the back if they wish to best Na`Vi
Björn "threat" Pers' team will get rid of de_train as their first choice, while Sergey "starix" Ischuk's troops will eliminate de_nuke. Out of the remaining maps, I don't think either team plays de_forge and de_dust2 hasn't been featured much so far, so there's a chance it could be removed. However, I could see de_inferno or de_mirage being removed as well, depending on which team gets to choose. After Na`Vi trashed the Swedes at IEM6 Global Challenge Kiev it'd be impossible to not give the Ukrainians an edge on de_tuscan, and I think the same goes for de_inferno based on matches earlier in this tournament. In my opinion Lions has the best chance on de_mirage which they seem very strong on, and de_dust2 could be very close as well.
Will Na`Vi celebrate once again after the semi final?
Going into the match Natus Vincere are the favorites for sure, despite of Lions' previous best-of-three win against them at DreamHack Winter. If de_mirage or de_dust2 gets played I think Lions will probably win one map and if both are played they could even win, but I just don't see Yegor "markeloff" Markelov's team losing on de_inferno or de_tuscan, and if he has a good day with the AWP, he could easily decide a match on de_dust2 by himself as well. Emil "FYRR73" Karlsson has been playing great ever since DreamHack and will have to continue if they wish to have a chance, while Na`Vi has far more people to rely on for big plays.
Prediction: Na`Vi > Lions 2-1
12:00
15-15 vs 16-9 vs 16-6 vs 16-6 vs 16-12 vs 16-9 vs 16-4 vs 4-16 vs 16-4 vs 14-16 vs 16-14 vs 16-5 vs SK Gaming most recently met ESC Gaming in the group stage here on Tuesday where they took a commanding 16-4 win on de_train, very similar to the result at World Cyber Games a few months ago. While SK Gaming has probably looked better so far if you compare their results even after discarding the head-to-head match, I actually feel like ESC Gaming is still the favorite in a best-of-three series. As always, it will come down to the Poles' teamwork, strategies and killer instinct versus the Swedes individual skill. Martin "trace" Heldt will make them more consistent, but frankly I'm not sure if that is going to be enough against an ESC team that is playing well all across the board as they seemed to be today against Moscow Five. Not having had two days off should help them, too.
Can trace continue playing as well as he has so far?
ESC will get rid of de_forge and de_inferno, and Robert "RobbaN" Dahlström's team should veto de_dust2 and de_tuscan. If that ends up being the case, maps in the series would end up being de_train, de_nuke and de_mirage. I think it's also possible ESC Gaming might just give up on de_train after suffering two big losses in a row on it, and give de_inferno a try instead. Out of those maps, I think de_nuke would be extremely entertaining to watch and I could really see it going either way. It's a strong map for both teams and it's hard to see who, if either team, would be a favorite on it. With Marcus "Delpan" Larsson on the team SK Gaming was solid on de_mirage but it has yet to be tested since Heldt was added on the roster. As I mentioned in my quarter finals preview, ESC has been practicing de_mirage and it could also be a very competitive map, but I think assuming Heldt has fit in well for the Swedes, they will be a slight favorite on it. On de_train I think SK are favorites, but I really think ESC could do well too, assuming they can win some pistols. I doubt de_tuscan will get played as SK hardly plays it, and de_inferno has always been a problematic map for ESC but I don't think it's a great map for SK either, as they rely heavily on individual plays on it.
ESC will be looking to reach their second consecutive IEM grand final
In the end, I think regardless of the maps that end up being played, ESC will be a very slight favorite over SK Gaming in the second semi final of IEM6 WC. They have always been a team that delivers in the final stages of tournaments and I think the team led by Filip "NEO" Kubski will come through once more and reach the grand final of the event. SK Gaming relies so heavily on their star players that if they don't deliver, I don't think they can beat ESC in the other aspects of Counter-Strike, and mid game might cause problems in communication if Heldt hasn't gotten used to speaking Swedish perfectly yet. Regardless of how the match ends, it will be a great match to watch.
Prediction: ESC > SK 2-1
HLTV.org will continue to provide full coverage of the IEM6 World Championship as the last few days unfold at CeBIT in Hannover, Germany. Stay tuned to your favorite Counter-Strike website for more updates to come.
if get_right OR f0rest OR trace are on fire, the're almost ubeatenable.
and if: gTr AND f0rest AND trace are on fire it will be 2-0 (with monsterous scores)
Post edited 2012-03-08 19:37:02
If neo is consistently good it doesn't mean he can perform amazing. He outmatched f0rest's best form many times...
e-stars and WCG
Should be a good match, but if all of SK's players are on their top form, i don't think ESC stands a chance. Then again, the poles really know how to get in their opponents heads on LAN.
not saying that ESC has the upperhand but individual skill will not decide who wins this,if we pick delpan's best moments and trace's,delpan was BY FAR better and still they would loose games..
its not about individual skill only,its about teamplay and countering your enemies..
SK always come up with a super start lineup,fangirls get wet,then they fail and change lineup again
he wrote "I think Lions is a slight underdog against both fnatic and Moscow Five, fairly even with WinFakt".
it's not a big deal to admit he predict WF would advance, i'm just saying, guys
And now read that quote again.
"I think Lions is a slight underdog against both fnatic and Moscow Five, fairly even with WinFakt".
He definitely did not say that WF would advance. He said that WF and Lions are fairly even and are likely to be competing for 3rd and 4th spots.
No part of that prediction was unreasonable in the slightest, considering the state of the teams before this event.
And why would I be defending him? I don't particularly like the guy, but that doesn't stop me from being objective.
tl;dr: haters gonna hate
and seriously even the idea of him predicting 1,2,4,5,6 is plain stupid, no one in his right mind would do that...and according to what he says/does regardless of his cocky behavior, he is a very smart guy
gl!
I dont think you need a clarification what cocky means, your English :P
let's say overconfident :P
I dont mean it in a bad manner, since I also posses that trait and I've been getting similar reaction from people about my behavior :p :)
but nvm, that's not important anyway
Lions vs SK in final!!!!
Lions are hell lot motivated and they are ready to take on step further to start winning titles.
Lions 2-1 Na`Vi
SK on other hand will have huge advantage due to their aimers and so far communication hasn't been any problem for them. 3 hot aimers like (f0rest,trace,GeT_RiGht are too hot to handle for ESC.
SK 2-0 ESC.
true that :)
I guess he means beat*
Only team who is equal with SK is Na'Vi..
SK=Na'Vi>ESC>fnatic...is just my opinion
This is ure second post, which I read, and both look as if they were written by a moron.
Just pack ure balls...
Post edited 2012-03-08 19:08:52
Brain: NaVi. The other game can go either way. No way to say which team will win. 2-1 either way.
All of his prediction is SK LOSE , if sk will play against TEG from RO , he will say 2-1 for teg,because they have nice strats,teamplay,blabla...lurppis you're a hater and nothing more.
Post edited 2012-03-08 19:14:07
Group stage:
SK 16-12 Na'Vi
Final:
16-3 and 16-5 for Na'Vi.
My point being that these top teams can beat each other on any given day. It simply depends on how well they perform on the spot. It's absurd to rely on a single group stage encounter to determine who's going to win a BO3 in single elimination.
Conlcusion:
Even if he's wrong, lurppis' analysis > yours.
YEAH, RIGHT...
lurppis and Finland were amazing at cs.
lurppis goes to USA, and instantly EG become good, and Finland become bad again.
lurppis returns to Finland, and they become good again,and EG becomes shit.
@ GoMeZ
=))
TaZ is a troll too,but he is a good player mate :)
want more? and he`s not pro?
Post edited 2012-03-08 21:49:32
SK 2:1 ESC
lurppis is a gentleman and a scholar
'Prediction: ESC > SK 2-1'
dafuq ?
SK vs NAVI FINAL
Post edited 2012-03-08 19:34:23
de_train : SK 16:5 ESC
yeah SK is better .... wait, who won WCG 2011 ?
esc - neo,pasha,Taz are on fire :D gl both teams
pathetic
It's really the only moment where individual skill = teamplay for me. All of us have already seen forest makes an amazing job on this map and win the map by himself.
So for me if f0rest is on fire on nuke Sk can win, else ESC will probably win.
Post edited 2012-03-08 20:01:54
Na`Vi -versus- ESC Gaming
But Gl for all 4 teams.
Post edited 2012-03-08 20:33:49
SK Gaming vs. ESC Gaming 2-1
We will watch swedish final .
Post edited 2012-03-08 20:40:49
the whole point of this article (and ones like it) is the analysis of each team, their strengths/weaknesses, maps etc. the prediction bit at the end has little to no meaning at all, i just go with however i think it'll end at that point and that's that.
a lot of people seem to take it way, way, way too seriously here. who cares if i'm wrong? i don't have anything against anyone on sk, or the team itself, just like i don't have anything against m5 or fnatic who i also predicted to lose earlier.
SK vs ESC 2-1
Na'Vi vs SK 2-1
GL Lions anyways!
imo:
forge esc > sk (esc played a lot on this map)
train esc < sk
dust2 esc > sk (sk lost last 6 dust2 maps vs poles on lan)
mirage esc = sk (no idea tbh, tho esc had big problems there even vs polish teams on lan like month ago)
nuke esc < sk
inferno esc = sk (even tho poles won last 2 lan esc vs sk inferno rounds past last 2-3 years)
tuscan esc > sk (they played this map against each other few times but been tight games all the time, tho poles did improve tuscan a lot while sk plays it rarely - last time 3 months ago lost vs esc 14:16 at wcg)
did some long post with researchs, w/e the map will be played it gotta be awesome match, of course worth skipping uni to watch (although every reason to skip uni is good...)
Post edited 2012-03-09 00:57:50
why???? nuke is the best map of ESC as far as I know
also I think
inferno SK
mirage Sk for sure
2-0 SUPERSTARS SK
Hello sk fags :)
