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IGC speak of suing Moscow Five
IGC organizers have released a statement regarding the recent event, offering Moscow Five $20,000 and a lawsuit.
The organizers have faced large amounts of criticism for their faults and shortcomings after the event finished. Hitting back, they have now released a statement through their Facebook page.
As ironic as it may sound, WTF Eventz, who organized India Gaming Carnival, have offered Moscow Five a nifty sum of $20,000 for their troubles, but also intend to slam them with a lawsuit.
The organizers have not detailed the lawsuit they are threatening Moscow Five with, but explain that they will be taking this step due to "lies and misconduct" by the Russian side.
Yesterday, the organizers – once again through their Facebook page – posted a screenshot of an e-mail to Moscow Five CEO Dima "ddd1ms" Smelyi about the $20,000 reimbursement.
Moscow Five are not the only ones in for a lawsuit, however. According to the announcement, signed by Kushagra, vendors and ex-employees are also being targeted.
The announcement contains nine points in which the organizers try to explain some of their faults. Among them the lack of sponsors and former employees turning the vendors against them.
3. We tried our best but couldn't get any sponsorship. Later we found out that whichever company we approached closed the deal because few other prominent figures of the Gaming Industry came behind us to spoil the curry. (Fact told by people from Sony & Nvidia). However, even without sponsors we continued with the event and pulled it off, though not in an expected fashion.
The India Gaming Carnival websites lists several partners, but few sponsors. GenNext and NRS Construction, two Indian-based companies, are named as co-sponsors.
Consumer electronics giant BenQ were listed as the event's official display partner, but have now been removed. According to what HLTV.org understands, AOC International monitors were used.
Moreover, the organizers lay blame on problems that occured on the first day of the event and state that they decided to go ahead with the event instead of cancelling it.
4. After the first day problems, even the biggest event company on this earth would have called it off. But we stood firm and decided to pull it off even if that meant having a bad face in public.
Many have questioned the organizers' ability to pay out the promised prize money. $60,000 was in the pot for Counter-Strike alone, and the statement assures that it will be paid.
Read the full announcement below:
Hi all,
There are few points which we would like to clear:
1. IGC was our first event.
2. There were many fiascos related to our event but still we pulled it off.
3. We tried our best but couldn't get any sponsorship. Later we found out that whichever company we approached closed the deal because few other prominent figures of the Gaming Industry came behind us to spoil the curry. (Fact told by people from Sony & Nvidia). However, even without sponsors we continued with the event and pulled it off, though not in an expected fashion.
4. For all those people who wonder why we were underprepared, ask all the ex-employees, who turned all our vendors against us at the very last moment. Still we arranged for all the infrastructure at the last moment. Not to worry guys, all the vendors are getting sued too!
4. After the first day problems, even the biggest event company on this earth would have called it off. But we stood firm and decided to pull it off even if that meant having a bad face in public.
5. We distributed all on-spot prizes, Tablets (almost 20) and innumerable CDs and many goodie bags. This clarifies, that we never had any kind of escaping intentions.
6. Many of you and few of our ex-employees thought not to support us, even if that meant supporting the biggest e-sporting event of India. We did our share of mistakes, but then were you guys there to support us or to help us in putting a better show?
7. As far as the fake Bank Guarantee is concerned which is doing the rounds on Internet, i would like to assure you that its not from us at all. Whosoever involved, will be punished according to Indian Law. Even M5 is on its way to be sued for their lies and misconduct.
8. As far as the prize money distribution is concerned, we would like to re-assure all the winners that their payment will be made. Disbursement of Prize money takes time as their are various Governmental procedures involved. Just a curious question, did you ever know that even KBC took around 90-120 days to disburse their prize money?
9. For all the ex-employees and people who tried their best to sabotage our image, be prepared. We have the list and we are suing you all.
For all the genuine supporters, we thank you from the bottom of our heart for your support in our valiant effort of putting up a better show.
Regards,
Kushagra
Hi all,
There are few points which we would like to clear:1. IGC was our first event.
2. There were many fiascos related to our event but still we pulled it off.
3. We tried our best but couldn't get any sponsorship. Later we found out that whichever company we approached closed the deal because few other prominent figures of the Gaming Industry came behind us to spoil the curry. (Fact told by people from Sony & Nvidia). However, even without sponsors we continued with the event and pulled it off, though not in an expected fashion.
4. For all those people who wonder why we were underprepared, ask all the ex-employees, who turned all our vendors against us at the very last moment. Still we arranged for all the infrastructure at the last moment. Not to worry guys, all the vendors are getting sued too!
4. After the first day problems, even the biggest event company on this earth would have called it off. But we stood firm and decided to pull it off even if that meant having a bad face in public.
5. We distributed all on-spot prizes, Tablets (almost 20) and innumerable CDs and many goodie bags. This clarifies, that we never had any kind of escaping intentions.
6. Many of you and few of our ex-employees thought not to support us, even if that meant supporting the biggest e-sporting event of India. We did our share of mistakes, but then were you guys there to support us or to help us in putting a better show?
7. As far as the fake Bank Guarantee is concerned which is doing the rounds on Internet, i would like to assure you that its not from us at all. Whosoever involved, will be punished according to Indian Law. Even M5 is on its way to be sued for their lies and misconduct.
8. As far as the prize money distribution is concerned, we would like to re-assure all the winners that their payment will be made. Disbursement of Prize money takes time as their are various Governmental procedures involved. Just a curious question, did you ever know that even KBC took around 90-120 days to disburse their prize money?
9. For all the ex-employees and people who tried their best to sabotage our image, be prepared. We have the list and we are suing you all.
For all the genuine supporters, we thank you from the bottom of our heart for your support in our valiant effort of putting up a better show.
Regards,
Kushagra
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Tags: Moscow Five, India Gaming Carnival
russian mother
2012-04-12 21:18:27
mess with russia and you might get a nuclear bomb!
2012-04-13 00:19:22
that akward moment when you don't know, that India has got one of the newest as well...
2012-04-13 00:29:32
oh cmon india have no chances against rusia in a war
2012-04-13 16:40:36
we have our too,anyways its too sily.
2012-04-13 04:18:43
You may have it but do you have tsar bomb? The largest motherfucker:D.... Russians are crazy....
2012-04-13 06:40:30
too much drama
2012-04-12 21:18:28
omg , fuc#ing carnaval.
2012-04-12 21:20:19
LOLO
2012-04-12 21:20:22
hahahha
2012-04-12 21:21:09
Time to make a hollywood movie :D
2012-04-12 21:21:14
bolywood*
2012-04-12 21:23:06
:D
2012-04-12 22:05:33
Tollywood may be....Dima vs Khushagra :D Dima a south indian Villian or khushagra may be :P Super Suspense xD
2012-04-13 05:44:15
What is KBC?
2012-04-12 21:21:17
+1
2012-04-12 21:25:52
Kentucky Boiled Chicken
2012-04-12 21:30:18
rofl
2012-04-14 09:54:48
HHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH Nice one XD
2012-04-15 21:03:31
its the Indian version of Who Wants to be a Millionaire...
2012-04-12 21:33:57
GO Watch Slumdog Millionaire!!!!
2012-04-12 21:52:42
I've seen it actually many times lol :P
2012-04-12 22:01:10
I thought it's German Key Board Crasher. Any one know this kid? LOL
2012-04-13 14:32:42
If M5 will receive even one dollar after all this, I'll be very surprised.
2012-04-12 21:21:35
IGC is the biggest failure of life ever...
2012-04-12 21:21:58
even digifest was better ;D
2012-04-12 21:25:31
Yea surely better than igc though MR10 :DD
2012-04-12 21:57:47
MR10 ? o.O DAFUQ?
2012-04-12 22:39:38
Thats true ;D
http://www.hltv.org/news/6447-mr10-in-digifest-low..
Post edited 2012-04-12 23:18:22
http://www.hltv.org/news/6447-mr10-in-digifest-low..
Post edited 2012-04-12 23:18:22
2012-04-12 23:18:01
hahhaha ridiculous.
this guy is a shame for the world.
this guy is a shame for the world.
2012-04-12 21:22:24
what's wrong with ur flag?
2012-04-15 10:00:58
Someone post that facepalm keyboard drawing asap..
2012-04-12 21:25:05
I will laugh if these 20.000$ is a lie too.
Post edited 2012-04-12 21:26:01
Post edited 2012-04-12 21:26:01
2012-04-12 21:25:47
Dear Moscow Five,
We would like to reimburse you $20,000 for your troubles. Also, please find our lawsuit attached (or through or Facebook page)
Sincerely.
Post edited 2012-04-12 21:28:44
We would like to reimburse you $20,000 for your troubles. Also, please find our lawsuit attached (or through or Facebook page)
Sincerely.
Post edited 2012-04-12 21:28:44
2012-04-12 21:26:08
Pus man you are no more funny. no ban me
2012-04-12 21:28:14
no ban me
2012-04-12 21:29:53
FROM WHEN DID YOU CHANGE YOUR IDENTITY FROM BRAZIL TO INDIAN?:p
2012-04-12 22:35:23
i make a peace deal with indians, now we love each others <3
and now im a indian. hahahaha
and now im a indian. hahahaha
2012-04-12 22:39:27
hahahah ... way to go brah :p.
btw is your name ibrahim ?:o
btw is your name ibrahim ?:o
2012-04-12 22:43:28
yep, Ibrahim Yacoub Ibrahim
2012-04-12 22:46:02
do you saw that tables, chairs and monitors??? The biggest E-sport event? i dont believe
Post edited 2012-04-12 21:32:38
Post edited 2012-04-12 21:32:38
2012-04-12 21:27:08
+1,it's like the table from 1500 AD rofl,wat a joke event, and they blame others for that?they dont even have a final rofl,thats = shutting it down,liers just cant get over themselves.
2012-04-12 23:38:21
biggest in India! Not in the world!
2012-04-17 14:52:04
Shame on them, after all how they can go in public ?
2012-04-12 21:30:49
this is embarrassing for us
2012-04-12 21:32:32
You should not feel embarrassed because you share the same nationality as these guys. Only fools will make fun of you for said reason...
2012-04-12 21:34:11
He is the one who should be sued,not the other way round.
2012-04-12 21:38:31
Obviously, but that doesn't mean you, or other Indians like you, should feel embarrassed.
2012-04-12 21:43:24
if that happened in Iceland, wouldnt u feel embarassed? i mean, theres no point to insult all the indians ofc, i would feel at least a little bit embarassed :)
2012-04-12 21:56:33
More angry than embarrassed, I think. But I know I wouldn't do anything similar, so I wouldn't let those guys represent who I am just because we would've shared the same nationality.
2012-04-12 22:00:29
yeah but must be hard to read all these bullshits about our country though
2012-04-12 22:02:03
Yes, but one has to realize that ignorant people make those comments.
2012-04-12 22:13:34
some where that letter reminds me of hosting a cs event in college where two days before the event i was told that i will not be provided with any college computer labs to org. the event...i asked friends to cum forward and give their lappy and made the event happening....here is my col where the event was small....you cannot blame the entire nation n all indains for this IGC.....
2012-04-12 23:52:43
btw isnt it "other Indian" when talked about people from India and "other Indians" if talked about indigenous people from America?
2012-04-13 04:54:04
LOL good luck at tribunals, mr kushagra. You won't stand a chance.
Post edited 2012-04-12 21:33:25
Post edited 2012-04-12 21:33:25
2012-04-12 21:32:33
come on, u all guys have heard only one end of the story. lets see what all truth gets uncovered...
2012-04-12 21:35:18
of course they need to sue everyone, how else would they get the money to pay the prizes?
poor guys...why is everyone so mean to them when they are just trying to be good boys? :(
Post edited 2012-04-12 21:48:47
poor guys...why is everyone so mean to them when they are just trying to be good boys? :(
Post edited 2012-04-12 21:48:47
2012-04-12 21:43:02
whats next? superman is not krypton? :/
2012-04-12 21:45:09
yes hes an earthling :D
2012-04-12 22:07:19
They are trying to turn things their way so that they are the "victims" l0w
2012-04-12 21:46:43
Holy shit. What is this?
2012-04-12 21:47:28
He lives in his own world with unicorns and such things...
2012-04-12 21:51:22
hahahahaha these icg guys are a fu**ing joke... well maybe next time it'd be awesome if you actually planned it thoroughly so you won't be crying about not having any sponsorship
2012-04-12 21:52:44
Next news:
"After losing a lawsuit, Russia threatens nuclear strike on India"
"After losing a lawsuit, Russia threatens nuclear strike on India"
2012-04-12 21:54:02
he said 4 two times
2012-04-12 21:54:36
:OOOOO TRUE
2012-04-12 21:57:59
lawsuit? ahahha what a noobs. come to russia. dddims will show you what we do we such people here
2012-04-12 21:56:53
When a LION says come to my DEN and i will show u, that doesn't show that the LION got balls ... instead its the tiny little rat in its hole crying out loud like u :)
2012-04-12 22:20:39
you know a lot about animals. now try to live with humans
2012-04-12 22:23:50
"9. For all the ex-employees and people who tried their best to sabotage our image, be prepared. We have the list and we are suing you all. "
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
2012-04-12 22:00:16
Now they are just trying to play the victim card lol
2012-04-12 22:02:15
the fuck did i just read is this real world?
m5 got robbed scammed AND NOW SUED just for attending IGC haha i bet they wont even send their children to india now :D
m5 got robbed scammed AND NOW SUED just for attending IGC haha i bet they wont even send their children to india now :D
2012-04-12 22:03:21
Russia is the most powerful country on military forces=)) Well, the U.S. is also strong=) but Ukraine > all :D
2012-04-12 22:03:57
why do you take military into this? they give a fuck about an gaming event :D 60k? thats not even worth a humvee :D
2012-04-12 22:08:42
u can get an original humvee for less than 50k
2012-04-13 02:11:20
military man not an normal hummer and for sure unused not something which was been in the war and with equipment :D otherwise i am talking to someone who has more connections than to the mafia :D
you know what i mean.
an used humvee truck from the desert storm back in the 90s is easily to find for under 10k bucks
we are talking about an newer model including equipment. that goes easily over 50k
If you can prove me wrong then i correct myself and id say a f35 or the overpriced f22 :D 100millions without the right equipment gg :D
or keep it simple like an t-90 which should be more familiar to you :D
you know what i wanted to prove man. no one starts a fucking war about that crap
Post edited 2012-04-13 02:41:22
you know what i mean.
an used humvee truck from the desert storm back in the 90s is easily to find for under 10k bucks
we are talking about an newer model including equipment. that goes easily over 50k
If you can prove me wrong then i correct myself and id say a f35 or the overpriced f22 :D 100millions without the right equipment gg :D
or keep it simple like an t-90 which should be more familiar to you :D
you know what i wanted to prove man. no one starts a fucking war about that crap
Post edited 2012-04-13 02:41:22
2012-04-13 02:31:05
i have to add something. i speak to kids/teenagers! so why do i wondered about this. thats what teenagers find cool military FUCK YEAH :D
Post edited 2012-04-13 02:44:48
Post edited 2012-04-13 02:44:48
2012-04-13 02:44:37
wtf? :DD You do realize that Russia is standing alone in any battle but U.S. is standing with all of Europe, NATO-OTAN and ally country's which i think includes Ukraine as well. :P
2012-04-12 22:58:38
We have China on our side, so... :D And now we have India for attending their event, so it's almost 3 billion people ;)
2012-04-13 07:54:53
Comment of the decade
2012-04-12 23:55:57
Ukrane Stronkkkk :D
2012-04-13 07:09:51
While the players are shouting "Screw You IGC", the organizers are just replying - "Sue you!".
The best part however is comparing it with KBC!
The best part however is comparing it with KBC!
2012-04-12 22:09:00
Any law students in here? I'd like to know what they would have to go through with a lawsuit like this.
I don't know much about lawsuits, and I have not read the Indian or Russian constitution, but I have the following thoughts:
For IGC to file a lawsuit against Moscow Five, they would actually have to be in Russia or have someone represent them, preferrably a lawyer.
They would, eventually, have to meet in a Russian court, should the case even go that far. I have no clue whether any international laws cover this, but they would either have to stay in Russia over a longer period of time or fly in from India a bunch of times for court dates/hearings.
This will a) require a visa (if there are no international laws) b) cost them a boatload of money.
Anyone able to shed some light on this?
Edit: And I'm sure there are several reasons for a countersuit.
Post edited 2012-04-12 22:16:27
I don't know much about lawsuits, and I have not read the Indian or Russian constitution, but I have the following thoughts:
For IGC to file a lawsuit against Moscow Five, they would actually have to be in Russia or have someone represent them, preferrably a lawyer.
They would, eventually, have to meet in a Russian court, should the case even go that far. I have no clue whether any international laws cover this, but they would either have to stay in Russia over a longer period of time or fly in from India a bunch of times for court dates/hearings.
This will a) require a visa (if there are no international laws) b) cost them a boatload of money.
Anyone able to shed some light on this?
Edit: And I'm sure there are several reasons for a countersuit.
Post edited 2012-04-12 22:16:27
2012-04-12 22:11:11
Russian court will not accept indian lawsuit cause there is no case. Indian will not accept too for sure
2012-04-12 22:15:44
I don't know, but I would guess lies/misconduct/defamation is ground for a lawsuit. Common in most countries. Not saying it's a good case, though :D
2012-04-12 22:18:05
there is no lies at first. m5 was robbed by somebody and scammed by igc. and secons this noobs don't have money for a lawer :)
2012-04-12 22:21:45
That doesn't prevent them from filing a lawsuit, though. Of course, if that is true, they would not have much to bring to court.
2012-04-12 22:23:00
this all is just for show. there will be no lawsuits
2012-04-12 22:25:27
Sure, I don't think they'll go through with their threats either, but I'm imagining they do. That's why I'm asking! :)
2012-04-12 22:26:47
well to my knowledge everything happened in INDIA and "if" any lawsuit(which i dont think will take place in the first place) happens then it will be in INDIA. i GUESS.
2012-04-12 22:41:23
That would force Moscow Five to appear in India. As I said, I don't know law, but I don't see that as very reasonable.
2012-04-12 22:42:38
yes it will force moscow five to come to INDIA .. though this law suit can go on forever because of the law situation here in the sub-continental region .. or maybe they might have a choice to go to a neutral court an international one i reckon but that will cost both the parties shitload of money .. so i dont think IGC is going to do anything in the first place.
2012-04-12 22:45:43
And that does not sound very reasonable. I'm thinking they would have to hire a international/Russian lawyer, but I'm sure he'd tell them not to try their case.
2012-04-12 22:47:47
umm maybe. who cares anyway we all know IGC wont do shit :p
2012-04-12 22:51:44
actually for lying and desinformation there are some points, that can lead to a WIN in a court. and if they(wtf eventz) will have good lawyer who will prove(which is easy), that they(m5) desinformated people and humiliated Kushagra - there gonna be some financial penalties, which in fact can be more than 20k, so M5 after this will be in minus. Obviously, i think wtf.eventz will send the money by e-banking, and prove to court, by all articles in enternet, videos..that M5 lied, and they were not fooled (~they got theyr prize money) *sorry for broken english, wanna sleep)
2012-04-13 00:41:57
Gaming industry is still some sort of 'underground' in many countries and definetely in India. They probably have never had precedents in indian courts involving gaming organisatios (such as m5) and tournament holders.
Basically it means that it'll be an extremely tough task to win such a case in the indian court. M5 will have to send their representative (attorney) who'll participate in court sessions. Odds to win are slim and expenses - huge.
In Moscow to start the court process would be impossible because tournament were held in India and it's not in russian jurisdiction
A good little option would be to appeal to an internetional rights courts. Mostly they are in charge for international cases but expenses would definetely be vast..
Basically it means that it'll be an extremely tough task to win such a case in the indian court. M5 will have to send their representative (attorney) who'll participate in court sessions. Odds to win are slim and expenses - huge.
In Moscow to start the court process would be impossible because tournament were held in India and it's not in russian jurisdiction
A good little option would be to appeal to an internetional rights courts. Mostly they are in charge for international cases but expenses would definetely be vast..
2012-04-13 14:16:03
I dont trust M5 when it comes to getting robbed. But lying is not a crime. And misconduct on facebook/forum/vik.com doesnt do any damage against M5 either. So lawsuit, pfft my balls :/
2012-04-12 22:51:43
I don't know... I have arguments for and against. Yeah, unlikely.
2012-04-12 22:53:55
I guess if sponsors were attracted from the beginning this wouldn't have happened in the first place. Having said that though if some kind of misconduct or public accusations by M5(as stands now) had still been made for whatever reason this would have gone to court(only because sponsors would've been behind this event). It's all very fishy from the beginning however. It seems to me as IGC are trying to pull off a "bad" publicity stunt or they're prolonging this drama series for too long. Time will tell actually. If they can afford this lawsuit and its official I will be very much surprised!
On the other hand the Indian gamers have no problem claiming prize money through filing a lawsuit against the organizers who fail to pay upon the deadline mr.K states here(120days). Would be cool if the Indian gamers filed a lawsuit against him. Don't really know though if laws that can support this exist in the Indian judicial system.(just a tip ;)
Post edited 2012-04-13 02:54:31
On the other hand the Indian gamers have no problem claiming prize money through filing a lawsuit against the organizers who fail to pay upon the deadline mr.K states here(120days). Would be cool if the Indian gamers filed a lawsuit against him. Don't really know though if laws that can support this exist in the Indian judicial system.(just a tip ;)
Post edited 2012-04-13 02:54:31
2012-04-13 02:51:33
To state the obvious, Russian court will most likely not pick up a case like this. Im not aware of the Indian constitution, but in Russian constitution this is pretty much a gray area and will come down to "gangsta" methods in the end.
This did not happen on Russian soil, so the only way to file the suit would be inside india. And since both countries are lacking in the justice field. Its going to go nowhere.
This did not happen on Russian soil, so the only way to file the suit would be inside india. And since both countries are lacking in the justice field. Its going to go nowhere.
2012-04-12 22:22:12
Yeah, I don't see it happening, but what if?
They should be able to file the lawsuit even though it occured in India, but they would have to do it in Russia, as far as I know!
They should be able to file the lawsuit even though it occured in India, but they would have to do it in Russia, as far as I know!
2012-04-12 22:24:31
rofl do you even believe that there is a lawsuit? It's all lies to make them looks good, look at these pictures of this IGC event, they dont even have enough money for some stable chairs and tables(not even mentioning the PCs),how could they even go thru this lawsuits without money rofl.
Just want to laugh at them,the bad name is made because of them.Now if indian ever throw another event no 1 will want to go.
Just feel sad for M5, in my mind they will not get their money back from these liers, hope they are safe.
Just want to laugh at them,the bad name is made because of them.Now if indian ever throw another event no 1 will want to go.
Just feel sad for M5, in my mind they will not get their money back from these liers, hope they are safe.
2012-04-12 23:52:28
Well, a lot of countries have signed Agreement on Legal Assistance (bilateral most commonly), not sure about Russia and India. Such agreements deal with all the legal issues (such as jurisdiction (which court hears the case) and applicable law).
The basic principle is that jurisdiction is to be exercised by the country in which the defendant is domiciled. In this situation - in Russia. Moreover, IMO case should be heard under Indian law because "breach of law" was in India.
And a comment about all the costs. The one who loses the case should cover most (sometimes even all) of the litigation costs.
The basic principle is that jurisdiction is to be exercised by the country in which the defendant is domiciled. In this situation - in Russia. Moreover, IMO case should be heard under Indian law because "breach of law" was in India.
And a comment about all the costs. The one who loses the case should cover most (sometimes even all) of the litigation costs.
2012-04-12 23:54:07
if IGC want to sue M5, they can do it in India. However, M5 can chose to send or not a lawyer to India in order to represent their side in this case. And any decision by an Indian court will only take place in India (so even if IGC wins this so called lawsuit, they can't do shit outside India).
In order to take matters to the next level, IGC needs to go to an international court (where bot russia and india recognizes this court [don't know if it exists, just laying the facts]). This will take several years and lots of money, and I don't think IGC has that kind of money or time just to prove a point...
Basically M5 can wipe their asses with any lawsuit intended by IGC inside India.
In order to take matters to the next level, IGC needs to go to an international court (where bot russia and india recognizes this court [don't know if it exists, just laying the facts]). This will take several years and lots of money, and I don't think IGC has that kind of money or time just to prove a point...
Basically M5 can wipe their asses with any lawsuit intended by IGC inside India.
2012-04-13 01:43:26
Ignore what was said here earlier. Basically, it boils down to the grounds for bringing the action (on what basis they will be suing). I honestly don't see what it could be here. By far their best bet would be if they had a contract with M5 (which we won't see because it most likely contained a confidentiality clause) and they could thus sue for breach of contract.
This is very country-specific (due to bilateral agreements between countries), but this is how most international law works:
1) If it's a breach of contract then it will basically depend on what the contract said about governing law (the law of which country will apply) and the jurisdiction (where the case would be heard). For example, it's possible that the first is Russia and the second is India, so Indian courts would be applying Russian law. But that's very rare in practice.
Essentially, 99% sure (if the clause was there) that India would be the jurisdiction and Indian law would apply to the contract. This means that they would have to sue M5 in India. If the suit were to be successful, they would have to get an enforcement order in Russia to actually get the proceeds of the suit. The chance of either is probably extremely low, but this is their best shot.
If there is no clause, then it will boil down to in which country the contract would be performed, so India and see above.
2) If they committed something akin to a tort (a civil wrong, i.e. defamation, saying bad shit about IGC, has nothing to do with the provisions of the contract) then this would be governed by the laws of India and MUST (almost always) be heard in the country in which the tort is committed - India. Once again, if successful, they'd have to get an enforcement order in Russia. Good luck with that.
3) If they can bring a case with a criminal element (i.e. fraud, though ironically the case against IGC here would be stronger ;D) then once again, this would be covered by the criminal laws of India, in India. The civil aspect (damages) is the same as for 2).
Basically, whichever step they take, they have a less than 1% of succeeding and even if successful, have even a smaller chance of recovering any damages. And in any case, their legal fees would far exceed anything that they'd hope to recover. So M5 can effectively laugh this off!
This is very country-specific (due to bilateral agreements between countries), but this is how most international law works:
1) If it's a breach of contract then it will basically depend on what the contract said about governing law (the law of which country will apply) and the jurisdiction (where the case would be heard). For example, it's possible that the first is Russia and the second is India, so Indian courts would be applying Russian law. But that's very rare in practice.
Essentially, 99% sure (if the clause was there) that India would be the jurisdiction and Indian law would apply to the contract. This means that they would have to sue M5 in India. If the suit were to be successful, they would have to get an enforcement order in Russia to actually get the proceeds of the suit. The chance of either is probably extremely low, but this is their best shot.
If there is no clause, then it will boil down to in which country the contract would be performed, so India and see above.
2) If they committed something akin to a tort (a civil wrong, i.e. defamation, saying bad shit about IGC, has nothing to do with the provisions of the contract) then this would be governed by the laws of India and MUST (almost always) be heard in the country in which the tort is committed - India. Once again, if successful, they'd have to get an enforcement order in Russia. Good luck with that.
3) If they can bring a case with a criminal element (i.e. fraud, though ironically the case against IGC here would be stronger ;D) then once again, this would be covered by the criminal laws of India, in India. The civil aspect (damages) is the same as for 2).
Basically, whichever step they take, they have a less than 1% of succeeding and even if successful, have even a smaller chance of recovering any damages. And in any case, their legal fees would far exceed anything that they'd hope to recover. So M5 can effectively laugh this off!
2012-04-13 04:39:05
Well... what the guy above has said is almost right.
This relates to a contract, the contract being M5 contracting to enter in a tournament organised by IGC on the promise of a sum of money to be paid on winning. Here the contract will be dictated by the terms and conditions given in IGC tournament entry forms. The whole thing relates to Indian Contract Act, 1972. I don't know how IGC can claim to be the aggrieved party when they themselves have not upheld the orginal contract of paying the winnings.
Denial of voluntary compensation given by IGC to M5 does not amount to breach of contract.
Basically, what I've gathered is these organisers are incompetent uneducated twats who don't know shit about anything. They can't sue for breach of contract and if the bank guarantee is fake, they will be charged with fraud. I think these guys don't even know the litigation expenses involved in suits like these :|
Regarding a defamation suit, it is just not possible.
If someone can tell M5, tell them these guys are bunch of idiots and have no idea of what they are saying and they have no reason to worry. These guys are stupid and proud of being stupid.
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This relates to a contract, the contract being M5 contracting to enter in a tournament organised by IGC on the promise of a sum of money to be paid on winning. Here the contract will be dictated by the terms and conditions given in IGC tournament entry forms. The whole thing relates to Indian Contract Act, 1972. I don't know how IGC can claim to be the aggrieved party when they themselves have not upheld the orginal contract of paying the winnings.
Denial of voluntary compensation given by IGC to M5 does not amount to breach of contract.
Basically, what I've gathered is these organisers are incompetent uneducated twats who don't know shit about anything. They can't sue for breach of contract and if the bank guarantee is fake, they will be charged with fraud. I think these guys don't even know the litigation expenses involved in suits like these :|
Regarding a defamation suit, it is just not possible.
If someone can tell M5, tell them these guys are bunch of idiots and have no idea of what they are saying and they have no reason to worry. These guys are stupid and proud of being stupid.
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2012-04-13 08:54:13
You don't know what the contract said, so what are you on about?
2012-04-14 02:05:00
Contract being the registration form plus the terms and conditions on their site.
If registration form promises certain money to the winner, they are bound by it if nothing withstanding is given in the T&C.
If registration form promises certain money to the winner, they are bound by it if nothing withstanding is given in the T&C.
2012-04-14 03:18:15
That's all exscuses...no wonder...would be dumb if India didn't come up with something to back themselves up...
They didn't really have much of a choise...This scandal went big globaly, so hiding from the truth would be stupid...
And, ya, have fun accusing M5 in lying...
Post edited 2012-04-12 22:15:51
They didn't really have much of a choise...This scandal went big globaly, so hiding from the truth would be stupid...
And, ya, have fun accusing M5 in lying...
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2012-04-12 22:15:21
At least they have excuses ready for every possible failure. This is hilarious and sad at the same time.
2012-04-12 22:18:52
organizing a good event with less money but more quality would be better from india....
they are noobs i would say. everyone knows that sponsors want a nice show and dont care so much if one or two international teams attend.
they are noobs i would say. everyone knows that sponsors want a nice show and dont care so much if one or two international teams attend.
2012-04-12 22:20:27
lol i like how they say things like "you are being sued as well!" and have a "!" at the end of it to add more drama. These people are some of the most unprofessional event holders i have ever seen.
2012-04-12 22:24:36
yeah sue them and lose the litigation. And than you will be comletly loosers.
2012-04-12 22:28:46
WAHH IM GONNA SUE YOU!
as if M5 would send anyone to India to go to court anyway...
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as if M5 would send anyone to India to go to court anyway...
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2012-04-12 22:30:14
another scam imo, they will never get the 20k, but they will for sure get the lawsuit :P
2012-04-12 22:32:22
I won't surprise if WTF Eventz wins the lawsuit.
The court is also Indian, - the judge could be another Kusharaga ;D
Post edited 2012-04-12 22:37:21
The court is also Indian, - the judge could be another Kusharaga ;D
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2012-04-12 22:36:45
I read Kushagra's response with Indian accent... Classic.
2012-04-12 22:36:56
B.O.R.I.N.G .... Go and shut the fu** up them ;c If they really don't want to do this why they do ? ... omg
2012-04-12 22:37:09
Just one big show of PR, to fly away for the mistakes and scams they've made.
Go fuck yourself Kushagra and take your curry pot with you.
Go fuck yourself Kushagra and take your curry pot with you.
2012-04-12 22:37:09
omg what a fuckin event fuck ur brain M5 that u went there
2012-04-12 22:48:44
OMG 2. There were many fiascos related to our event but still we pulled it off.
PULLED IT OFF? the final of cs 1.6 WAS NOT PLAYED, how the HELL did they pull it off? :DDDD omg this guy is humiliating him self right now, i guarantee there will be no suing of anyone :DD because they did not even hold up their part of the bargain.
This is just stupidity, They were no where to see and did not go to the meeting that was arranged with dddd1ms =D omg.
Crazy Black guy, probably doesn't wan't to get beat up even more, that's why hes posting these lies.
PULLED IT OFF? the final of cs 1.6 WAS NOT PLAYED, how the HELL did they pull it off? :DDDD omg this guy is humiliating him self right now, i guarantee there will be no suing of anyone :DD because they did not even hold up their part of the bargain.
This is just stupidity, They were no where to see and did not go to the meeting that was arranged with dddd1ms =D omg.
Crazy Black guy, probably doesn't wan't to get beat up even more, that's why hes posting these lies.
2012-04-12 22:53:05
That's ok bro...Like someone else here said "The Best Defence is Attack" and that's what IGC is doing...
2012-04-12 23:02:12
lol always some comedy with indians :D
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2012-04-12 22:56:47
I;d really be surprised if IGC didn't try to defend themselves and of corse the best way is suing M5...go go go....Go sue them for something you should be sued for ahahaha....
IGC just made themselves look even worse...
IGC just made themselves look even worse...
2012-04-12 23:09:37
Cant believe this shit's still going...
2012-04-12 23:15:40
and still will...for a long time probably...if the suing thing does go on...
2012-04-12 23:18:08
Probably russians(m5)made story a little bit for their own good, its just tipical with russians. They thought they will get more money or smth and in the end they will get sued. ;DDDDDDD so unlucky for them. xd
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2012-04-12 23:17:49
don't worry...M5's protected...
2012-04-12 23:22:33
17 years old schoolboy knows a lot about typical russians :-D
2012-04-13 03:00:47
bolywood winner!
professional......
NOT!
professional......
NOT!
2012-04-12 23:18:45
Logical follow up to threaten with a lawsuit. Every con man in the world does exactly that : scam people and then threaten them to try and discredit them. It's written all over in the white (or is it black) book of con men and that's how you can easily spot them.
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2012-04-12 23:26:57
Why don't they just give up and admit they completely fucked it? It's turning into a complete farce haha
2012-04-12 23:39:11
Why u HERE? Go back to caDEADED.org u DEADED!!
2012-04-13 07:31:48
Stfu.
2012-04-17 14:45:09
yes m5 have some high protection. m5 dont accept and reject and supporting to television just easy, i will call d1mon
2012-04-12 23:48:01
Whosoever involved, will be punished according to Indian Law. - this means "boiled and eaten with salt"? or what's the "Indian Law"? fucking IGC!
and this "lawsuit" thing is a complete bullshit, fucking attention whores! what will you do? lawsuit in india? u think they will come to obe "Indian Law"? and if you win, in India, what will happen? they will get a nice beating if they come again in that fkin country? i`m sure they wont!
Post edited 2012-04-12 23:52:04
and this "lawsuit" thing is a complete bullshit, fucking attention whores! what will you do? lawsuit in india? u think they will come to obe "Indian Law"? and if you win, in India, what will happen? they will get a nice beating if they come again in that fkin country? i`m sure they wont!
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2012-04-12 23:50:47
What I don't understand is that you indians don't visit that Kushagra guy? I mean it's not hard to find him, someone has to know him and leak his address info? Or are you all scared of him? I saw his FB and he really looks like a stinky indian with that hair style of your country everyone gots, its really ugly, no hate.
2012-04-13 00:03:16
There are people to criticise but none to bother.. sad banda people here.
2012-04-13 00:32:01
IGC offered 20.000$ for WCG New Delhi 2012 organisation!
2012-04-13 00:34:05
OMFG
Indian e-sports will be dead
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Indian e-sports will be dead
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2012-04-13 00:51:51
It is already, fkers are too corrupt, when did u last see an Indian team in international finals. 100% no sponsored trip to gran finals, moreoever last year India didnt even have a slot in grandfinals (ESWC no slot for years now) (thanks to fucked up organiser who cant get a sponsor to pay the WCG money for slot). So only National level tournament happend with no prize also i think. They called CS "promotional game" after 11 years of release lol.
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2012-04-13 08:15:29
wcg germany wcg scandinavia wcg what ever. thats not only a problem in india.
2012-04-13 14:42:36
IGC lost all its reputation and reliability some time ago. This statements means nothing nowadays.
2012-04-13 00:34:53
Let's sue every motherfucker that moves!
2012-04-13 00:38:26
Of course they are able to get the prize money and pay it off, THEY ARE FREAKING SUING EVERYBODY THAT HARMED THEM, infact they might make more money from it than they expected to make in the first place, minus prize money dealt out and whatever other costs that been made.
Their motto should be,
YOU DON'T SUPPORT US? WE SUE YOU!
^^ *TROLLFACE* ^^
Their motto should be,
YOU DON'T SUPPORT US? WE SUE YOU!
^^ *TROLLFACE* ^^
2012-04-13 01:28:09
Wow, I make a joke about how IGC should acquire Blight Gaming and then suddenly, IGC goes on a manic suing spree? *(cough, blight)*
Seriously, after torturing Moscow Five with their terrible event with tables that look like they were crafted by a carpenter from Jesus' time, they add insult to injury by suing them. "Oh man, nobody is happy with our driftwood tables, extended delays and mob enforcers. We ought to sue them, because that's what real professionals dooooo!"
Seriously, after torturing Moscow Five with their terrible event with tables that look like they were crafted by a carpenter from Jesus' time, they add insult to injury by suing them. "Oh man, nobody is happy with our driftwood tables, extended delays and mob enforcers. We ought to sue them, because that's what real professionals dooooo!"
2012-04-13 02:04:26
you cant sue someone for defamation of character when you had no character do defame in the first place kusharaga
2012-04-13 02:44:27
lol 90% of comments here a connected somehow to former sovjet countries, shit is freaking me out.
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2012-04-13 02:44:32
so you hate russians/former sovjet countries as well? :D
you have to potential to be hltv's racists number one :D just next to chrisj our smoker number one :D
hmm wierd that this comes from me haha :D
Post edited 2012-04-13 02:48:04
you have to potential to be hltv's racists number one :D just next to chrisj our smoker number one :D
hmm wierd that this comes from me haha :D
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2012-04-13 02:45:40
im totally not racist, lol!
but all those ppl leaving comments here are from eastern europe ;D
but all those ppl leaving comments here are from eastern europe ;D
2012-04-13 02:56:24
what do you expect if your team gets trolled and your country fellas back you up? why is this freaking you out? i guess they would laugh at you anyway :D
2012-04-13 14:40:43
you do know that there is no such thing as race-of-former-soviet-republics ?
2012-04-13 08:23:07
oh if i call 90% of the poles stealing scum! i am not a racist? beacuse there is no such race? okay
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2012-04-13 14:35:48
they're going to try sue vendors for not agreeing to sponsor their event? sorry but i don't think think any laws are broken there
2012-04-13 03:10:53
IGC will never win in a lawsuit against M5, unless M5 and IGC signed some sort of non-disclosure agreement.
If there should be any lawsuit, it should be M5 suing IGC because IGC falsely advertised the event.
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT LAWSUIT IGC!
Post edited 2012-04-13 03:35:56
If there should be any lawsuit, it should be M5 suing IGC because IGC falsely advertised the event.
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT LAWSUIT IGC!
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2012-04-13 03:31:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=316AzLYfAzw
2012-04-13 05:32:51
"came behind us to spoil the curry." .. no racial offence, but that must be a common saying over there ;)
2012-04-13 06:11:53
i would believe him if and only if event prize money will be paid, or these lawsuit threatenings are also fake :/
2012-04-13 07:23:43
I have to acknowledge that cheerleaders from russia and ukraine are very hot!!!
2012-04-13 07:59:11
what Putin said in all of this ?
2012-04-13 08:18:32
He doesn't care that situation, I guess.
2012-04-13 08:22:48
bayan
2012-04-13 08:21:49
Just send couple guys from Russia and let them to do their job haha
2012-04-13 11:02:04
Bullshit
2012-04-13 11:47:41
IGC must be kiddin :D
2012-04-13 12:02:50
LOl India lol!
2012-04-13 12:14:18
I have to laugh... amazing stuff from the organiser's.
Next time, instead of threatening people with lawsuits, or with mafia gun men, or by having a shit event. Why not put your time and effort into actually researching how to run an event properly, how to use customer service, and how to deal with any potential problems.
Moscow 5 were in the right to do what they did, IGC organisers are in the wrong. Accept that fact.
Next time, instead of threatening people with lawsuits, or with mafia gun men, or by having a shit event. Why not put your time and effort into actually researching how to run an event properly, how to use customer service, and how to deal with any potential problems.
Moscow 5 were in the right to do what they did, IGC organisers are in the wrong. Accept that fact.
2012-04-13 13:02:27
Indeed, they're just fucking up ever more.
2012-04-17 14:48:22
HOW CAN SHE SLAP!?
2012-04-13 14:30:00
fucking story
2012-04-13 15:21:41
mess with russia and you might get a nuclear bomb!
xS
xS
2012-04-13 16:33:06
IGC is kidding , Right :p They sucked well before
2012-04-13 16:45:13
the first time for the last time, IGC, fu
2012-04-13 18:23:16
they themselves said that their event sucked, and yet they want to sue M5 for misconduct,lies and making them look bad.... -__- ...
that guy should be condemned
that guy should be condemned
2012-04-13 18:55:04
Hltv fans sound like stupid retards.How the hell did war come into there mind.Today it s usa b4 but before the americans idia was and still is in very good terms with russia.
mother india and mother russia best buddies:D
mother india and mother russia best buddies:D
2012-04-13 18:57:25
"though not in an expected fashion."
maybe you should check the forums
maybe you should check the forums
2012-04-13 20:25:10
what are they going to sue M5 for? why cant they admit that their event would suck anyways and sponsors probably suspected a scam before the event took place. Kushagra can go spoil the curry on his own di**.
2012-04-13 21:49:46
We scammed a bunch of gamers last week.
Now let's sue them as compensation!
>INDIAN LOGIC<
Now let's sue them as compensation!
>INDIAN LOGIC<
2012-04-14 03:14:01
this is to much fun :D
is getting better and better
is getting better and better
2012-04-14 10:03:52
I'm sure they'll be too lazy to do this too.
Just like they were with the event.
Fcking irony is .... one of those retards was my classmate in school for 4-5 years ..... had I known he'd do this I would have kicked his butt and any event organizing bug that he had at that time only.
Just like they were with the event.
Fcking irony is .... one of those retards was my classmate in school for 4-5 years ..... had I known he'd do this I would have kicked his butt and any event organizing bug that he had at that time only.
2012-04-14 15:38:00
hmm....IGC not so good as I thought
now I c that it's fucking bullshit
now I c that it's fucking bullshit
2012-04-14 18:31:16
LOL ! IGC Fuck YEAH ! \m/ :D
2012-04-15 15:28:42
There is no law in India where u can sue anyone xD. And coming to the point of suing any one, noway, its not possible. Its all bullshit what IGC have to say, if you havent got a contract signed and funds released from the sponsorer, how can u even declare the event. Dude all know in India how it happens bcos of mismanagement, I would say u guys lacked seriousness. I think Indian Govt should sue you people for this. And you guys have promised a cheque of 20000 dollars to moscow five, what about other teams? What about people came from other cities, other countries? I would say if u want to gain the respect then rehost the tourney by sponsoring these gamers to visit India again. And I dont think you guys will even give 20000 dollars as posted in FB, as you have mentioned a controversial statement there saying you will also sue Moscow five at the same time. LoL. Man this is Indianism, Dog barks but never bites. xD. Its your duty to just give them the money bcos of your errors or chuck it if you cant give but end the story here please dont waste everybodys time. And dont make some statements just to win their respect. Be transparent guys. Cheers.
2012-04-17 07:29:44
didn't read lol
2012-04-17 16:36:53
Fucking Indian LIERS....not they gonA pay not they gona sue m5
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2012-04-17 16:24:18
Bet those guys got STRESS
makes me wanna make a movie LEAVE INDIA ALONE instead of LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE
makes me wanna make a movie LEAVE INDIA ALONE instead of LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE
2012-04-17 20:53:01
lol as if we give a fuck.
2012-04-21 11:22:13
People from mother russia should send mafia to india and kill igc faggots.
2012-04-18 08:43:32
=(
2012-04-18 08:50:41
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