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xFRAGCup CJM groups announced
The groups have been announced for xfunction Fraglider Cup by CJM which will take place on the weekend in Porto, Portugal with over 4,000€ in prizes.
Although we earlier reported of the tournament's odd format in group stage, the organizers have once again changed their mind and will now host six groups with the first five featuring four, and the last one featuring five teams.
Playoffs will be held in a best-of-three single elimination format. Top two teams will advance from groups A to E, while group F will see three teams advance to playoffs.
On top of that, the three teams that had the best round difference and placed third in groups A-E will also go through to the playoffs in order to fill the sixteen team bracket.
| Group A | Group B | Group C |
 semXorah |
 NorthernGrade |
Phantoms |
| energiE5 |
PTO-Gaming |
madjicK |
| JUVENTUDE |
wints |
HardStyle |
| OverFuzioN |
 airwave |
uP Gaming |
| Group D | Group E | Group F |
 IMBA |
x6tence |
K1CK |
| eQuilibrium |
exotic |
 zNation |
| NOSENSE |
xfunction |
expertminds |
| Pandorum |
DREAMERS |
minorityteam |
| BLENDED |
More information including where teams will be placed in the playoff bracket, lineups for the teams and more for the event to be held on May 25-27 in Porto is available here.
Tags: xfunction Fraglider Cup, semXorah, Phantoms, energiE5, PTO-Gaming, madjicK, IMBA, x6tence, exotic, K1CK, zNation
go x6! :)
2012-05-21 19:17:21
catastrophical tournament format, i wonder who came up with the whole some teams advance based on round difference and more teams advance from one group (which coincidentally has the best local team) than the others?
2012-05-21 19:17:49
13 teams advance to playoffs? o.O
the organizers deserve a medal :D
the organizers deserve a medal :D
2012-05-21 19:22:51
16 teams; 13 teams directly and last 3 will be determined by round difference... yeah...
2012-05-21 19:26:23
It's actually 16.
10 from the groups of 4 teams (which is quite normal nowadays..) + 3 from Group F which has a group of 5 and would be totally unfair to only go through 2 teams, which makes it 13 + the 3 best 3rd places, according to their points/RD.
It's quite a usually thing these days, unless if things had changed in the past 2 months.
10 from the groups of 4 teams (which is quite normal nowadays..) + 3 from Group F which has a group of 5 and would be totally unfair to only go through 2 teams, which makes it 13 + the 3 best 3rd places, according to their points/RD.
It's quite a usually thing these days, unless if things had changed in the past 2 months.
2012-05-21 19:27:47
i have never seen anything like that, normally it would be 8 groups of 4 with top2 advancing. i have never seen a tournament (and i've been around for a long time by now) that used anything similar; not anything to only let some 3rd place teams in by rounds, or one where a group had more slots because it had more teams... many events have extra teams in groups, but they still don't get more spots.
2012-05-21 19:32:36
Having 8 groups of 4 meant having 32 teams, which isn't exactly the case. You've got 25.
I'm sure you have been in tournaments where the organization had tones of signup's and an unusual number to make the groups. That's exactly what's happening here.
We couldn't just cut off and that's it lol. Also, and unfortunately, the Portuguese community have a slighty different mind concerning how the groups and how a tournament should be run, which, in an extreme professional way, is indeed wrong.
Still, it's a tournament made for the Portuguese teams to have the opportunity to play against some of the best teams out there. We just couldn't shit on their faces and make things shitty for them.
I see and understand your point, still, don't agree with it.
I'm sure you have been in tournaments where the organization had tones of signup's and an unusual number to make the groups. That's exactly what's happening here.
We couldn't just cut off and that's it lol. Also, and unfortunately, the Portuguese community have a slighty different mind concerning how the groups and how a tournament should be run, which, in an extreme professional way, is indeed wrong.
Still, it's a tournament made for the Portuguese teams to have the opportunity to play against some of the best teams out there. We just couldn't shit on their faces and make things shitty for them.
I see and understand your point, still, don't agree with it.
2012-05-21 19:41:25
just because it is a different method doesn't mean it is wrong.
I personally like how some teams will have the chance to pass in third place as they will have the chance to play more and spectators will have the chance to view more games... I do not see what is wrong about that...
Just like you presented alternative tournament structures that no one has seen before, the organizers of this event decided on something different as well..
Just because they didn't use the regular tournament structure method, or the structure ideas you presented recently doesn't mean you have to be so critical about their decision..
Post edited 2012-05-21 19:57:22
I personally like how some teams will have the chance to pass in third place as they will have the chance to play more and spectators will have the chance to view more games... I do not see what is wrong about that...
Just like you presented alternative tournament structures that no one has seen before, the organizers of this event decided on something different as well..
Just because they didn't use the regular tournament structure method, or the structure ideas you presented recently doesn't mean you have to be so critical about their decision..
Post edited 2012-05-21 19:57:22
2012-05-21 19:55:39
i don't think it makes any sense and that is my opinion on the subject, if you think it's cool then that's yours and i don't have a problem with that, but personally i think it's a terrible tournament format.
i presented my formats with arguments, i'd be interested in hearing any possible arguments you could have for this one.
i presented my formats with arguments, i'd be interested in hearing any possible arguments you could have for this one.
2012-05-21 23:23:08
I think they went with what the European Football Championship Qualifier goes with, (two best 3rd placed teams advance to the playoffs). Its not something COMPLETELY new to the world.
I think it makes sense.. I think you should wait and see how it turns out before criticizing the format so much.. Just like people should see how your ideas turn out before criticizing them..
As for not covering the tournament, that is up to you guys at HLTV.. This is a great site that has been ran for many years now and you guys know what the best tournaments are to cover..
I just think that, as a former player with great international reputation, you should be more careful about open criticism.. Its great that you show your opinion on the matter. However, your voice is not louder than any other person on this website just because of your reputation. Just because people dont agree with your opinion or do something different doesnt make them stupid or incompetent.
Post edited 2012-05-22 00:36:10
I think it makes sense.. I think you should wait and see how it turns out before criticizing the format so much.. Just like people should see how your ideas turn out before criticizing them..
As for not covering the tournament, that is up to you guys at HLTV.. This is a great site that has been ran for many years now and you guys know what the best tournaments are to cover..
I just think that, as a former player with great international reputation, you should be more careful about open criticism.. Its great that you show your opinion on the matter. However, your voice is not louder than any other person on this website just because of your reputation. Just because people dont agree with your opinion or do something different doesnt make them stupid or incompetent.
Post edited 2012-05-22 00:36:10
2012-05-22 00:34:13
i already went over why you can't transfer formats of soccer over to cs in a different comment here so i won't revisit that.
obviously in a perfect world we would cover every tournament fully around the world, but doing so online takes tons of work and we can only work so many hours in a day, plus we obviously don't have enough money to send a representative to every event around the work.
them disagreeing doesn't make them stupid or incompetent, the way they voice their opinions with no real backing does at times ^^
obviously in a perfect world we would cover every tournament fully around the world, but doing so online takes tons of work and we can only work so many hours in a day, plus we obviously don't have enough money to send a representative to every event around the work.
them disagreeing doesn't make them stupid or incompetent, the way they voice their opinions with no real backing does at times ^^
2012-05-22 01:44:40
this means that in every match every team will do their best, because even 3rd place might go to the next phase. And if you never saw something like that you dont watch football, the qualification for Euro and the World Cup works like that.
2012-05-21 21:06:49
i don't watch soccer, you are correct. i've gone over this before in comments for my tournament formats article but let's say it again:
goal difference makes a little sense in sports where they play on the same grounds for all games - at least it truly means something then.
in counter-strike you play two different sides of the game on five (in this case) or seven maps, making round difference a terrible way to judge anything.
goal difference makes a little sense in sports where they play on the same grounds for all games - at least it truly means something then.
in counter-strike you play two different sides of the game on five (in this case) or seven maps, making round difference a terrible way to judge anything.
2012-05-21 22:04:31
soccer? arent u finish?
oh and yeah, why didnt u replied to #57? the guy above?
oh and yeah, why didnt u replied to #57? the guy above?
2012-05-21 23:09:08
i am finnish, and it's called soccer. missed his comment, i'll reply now.
feel free to take a look:
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/th..
feel free to take a look:
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/th..
2012-05-21 23:21:53
that just shows me how much of little kid that thinks he knows all, you are!
Portugal used to be called Portucale, Condado Portucalense etc etc, that was hundreds of years ago, now, do u refer to our country has Portucale? no, u dont, languages evolve, people evolve, even if that was the first name of the sport, its called FOOTBALL SINCE THE XIX century!! now tell me, when American football was created/invented, wasnt it called FOOTBALL already in Europe?
Portugal used to be called Portucale, Condado Portucalense etc etc, that was hundreds of years ago, now, do u refer to our country has Portucale? no, u dont, languages evolve, people evolve, even if that was the first name of the sport, its called FOOTBALL SINCE THE XIX century!! now tell me, when American football was created/invented, wasnt it called FOOTBALL already in Europe?
2012-05-21 23:33:30
i just pasted that to show other people do that too, in reality i couldn't care less what people think about it.
i call american football "football" and soccer "soccer". i have no idea why anyone would care, that is my own personal preference.
and because you seem to get hurt by the smallest things, here's the kicker: i think american football is a more enjoyable sport than soccer.
i call american football "football" and soccer "soccer". i have no idea why anyone would care, that is my own personal preference.
and because you seem to get hurt by the smallest things, here's the kicker: i think american football is a more enjoyable sport than soccer.
2012-05-21 23:36:22
tell me, why would i care about what u enjoy or what u dont?! its ur opinion, and im positive that u didnt grew up hearing the word "soccer", not even gonna say what i think about that, honestly..
2012-05-21 23:39:50
I grew up hearing soccer and not football.
If you go to the USA and say football, they'll think of American football.
If you go to Australia and say football they'll think of Australian football.
It's only called football in Brittish English.
If you go to the USA and say football, they'll think of American football.
If you go to Australia and say football they'll think of Australian football.
It's only called football in Brittish English.
2012-05-22 00:54:04
u grew up hearing what? please, dont act like a little retarded kid ffs! no one in Portugal ever heard that word, cmon!! ofc if u are in America or Australia, football for them is their sport, but not in EUROPE!! he's just a american wannabe, arrogant kid! tell me, who the hell, in Europe, refers to the sport as SOCCER? there are no leagues of soccer, no European championship of Soccer!!! so tell, me why on earth, would any european, refer to that sport as SOCCER? there would be no confusion since american football is not popular around here, ITS CALLED RUGBY, and its played without those pillows and helmets! Football was created in ENGLAND, the name comes either from the act of kicking the ball with ur foot or because it was played on foot, ergo FOOT/BALL!
im not gonna continue to waste my time with this pointless discussion tbh
im not gonna continue to waste my time with this pointless discussion tbh
2012-05-22 15:29:50
Visit my profile and read the description please.
2012-05-22 16:15:55
i grew up hearing about santa claus, but once i realized it's not true i changed my mind, similar to religion.
as for soccer, i used to say football but once i realized it got confused a lot, i switched to better and clearer terms.
as for soccer, i used to say football but once i realized it got confused a lot, i switched to better and clearer terms.
2012-05-22 01:22:14
it got confused when u talk to americans bro, here in europe, american football isnt played, as u might know, so, who would confuse it? the guy that u first responded said FOOTBALL, did u tought he was talking about american football?! cmon, that was a clear show-off from an american wannabe, thats all!
2012-05-22 15:33:40
Don't wanna argue, but it fits perfectly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbAIbYqrn_4
:))
:))
2012-05-23 14:53:40
dude, you gotta realise that American English is not the exact same language as British English. In America, football simply doesn't refer to the same sport, and as far as I know, lurppis lived in America and has an American accent, it would actually be really odd if he said "soccer"...
Post edited 2012-05-21 23:43:51
Post edited 2012-05-21 23:43:51
2012-05-21 23:42:33
yes, in America it doesnt! but 90% of people around here is EUROPEAN, as he is! every single country in Europe refer to that sport as football and he knows that, im fine that americans refer to football as soccer, but in here, Europe, its not correct, its not accurate and main point: HE'S NOT AMERICAN, he knows very well that in Europe, ITS CALLED FOOTBALL! please, what a show-off!
2012-05-21 23:48:06
He's not American, and you're not British, are you? When you learn a language, aren't you free to choose which dialect you prefer? When you live in a country, the language becomes something automatical. Then I can't imagine him always being careful to use British words, when some of them do not even exist where he learnt English.
I mean, just imagine lurppis, with his accent, using words like "bollocks". It wouldn't make sense
I mean, just imagine lurppis, with his accent, using words like "bollocks". It wouldn't make sense
2012-05-21 23:54:50
ur comparing things that cant be compared bro! there is no accent difficultys between saying football and soccer! cmon, ur argument is totally unrational! i can understand when he says apartment rather than flat, or cab instead of taxi, but for a european saying SOCCER instead of FOOTBALL is totally SHOW-OFF, its just a way to say "hey look at me, i lived in America for a couple of years, i speak the way they do, look at me, i even think that SOCCER is the correct word for the sport!" please man, if u think that was innocent...
2012-05-22 00:08:00
You misunderstood my point. I'm not saying he couldn't say football, I meant that he really shouldn't. Having a typically American accent, using British words would make his English totally incoherent. Generally in Europe it is more common to hear British English, but it's not a rule, and as long as he's coherent, there's no reason why he shouldn't use true American English
2012-05-22 00:44:09
most of the time i speak in english i speak to my american friends, so naturally i adapt to the language that helps the most.
i don't see how that can possibly be interpreted as being a show off, i just explained how i do it.
i don't see how that can possibly be interpreted as being a show off, i just explained how i do it.
2012-05-22 01:24:11
You wrong man, here is South Africa we also call it soccer, i have a cousin from britain, he visited here for 2 gap years after finishing school, i speak to him frequintly and he still calls "Football" soccer, even though he has been back in britain for almost a year, it has nothing to do with showing off, its the way the human brain works, some habbits you pick up in other countries, some habbits ware off, other habbits dont, and some you keep because you prefer speaking/pronouncing things a certain way, stop moking/arguing with lurpis and other people for the way he speaks, he is his own person and you are your own person, everyone has the right to speak the way they want to and no country/language is perfect and can tell you there way is the right way.
2012-05-22 10:15:57
hltv will cover the event ?
2012-05-21 19:24:04
not good enough teams to do full coverage but we should have hot matches running for hltv ips and will do a results post after the event.
2012-05-21 19:26:58
People are starting to hate u , i think :3
2012-05-21 20:29:42
only moronic people from portugal who are too angry to see how obviously retarded their tournament format is.
2012-05-21 20:33:25
i'm okay with portuguese people hating me, based on what i read on this site from your countrymen in comments i'm not very fond of your nation anyway. everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
2012-05-21 22:05:54
you sir, should apologise every portuguese member of this website! As an admin, or newswritter, or something, you should behave yourself. You're acting like a little kid, just because no one cares about your new format for competitions.
In my country, there is a little product called "Rennie". You should buy some.
P.S. Now i can see why such a good team as ex-WinFakt (one of my favourites) ended up like that.
In my country, there is a little product called "Rennie". You should buy some.
P.S. Now i can see why such a good team as ex-WinFakt (one of my favourites) ended up like that.
2012-05-21 22:37:50
actually i couldn't care less if anyone adapts the formats i proposed in my article, but the fact is, what they are doing here is ridiculous.
the good thing is, after probably one or two forfeit losses on purpose for easier bracket draws, the single elimination stage is normal and will decide most of the tourney.
solid burn buddy (with the usual they were my faves too!!!! for added effect) there, even though you obviously have no idea what happened in winfakt
the good thing is, after probably one or two forfeit losses on purpose for easier bracket draws, the single elimination stage is normal and will decide most of the tourney.
solid burn buddy (with the usual they were my faves too!!!! for added effect) there, even though you obviously have no idea what happened in winfakt
2012-05-21 22:47:06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXw5fMIYGqg =D
2012-05-21 23:03:03
yes that's all you need to know about portugal so you better be now fond about our nation
2012-05-21 23:07:30
irony?
2012-05-21 23:51:35
http://www.more-japan.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads..
2012-05-22 00:12:13
that's never obvious with portuguese ppl lol
2012-05-22 00:45:05
thats cause ukranian guys are dumb as fuc*
2012-05-22 01:15:04
I won't contradict you, I'm not Ukrainian lol
nt though dude
nt though dude
2012-05-22 01:24:11
ok then you're simply a guy who has shame about using your own country's flag , feel sorry for you bro
2012-05-22 01:46:06
nope, I'm tired of repeating this but the Ukrainian flag is kind of a pun (my name being mark)
btw you'd rather be sorry for being born in Portugal bro
Post edited 2012-05-22 10:23:16
btw you'd rather be sorry for being born in Portugal bro
Post edited 2012-05-22 10:23:16
2012-05-22 10:22:42
I can't see your point.
A person who prefers using another country's flag its not a patriot person. Honestly you should be the one to feel sorry for living in your country, since you don't even got the balls and love to show it. We have pride on our country since over the centuries we achieved many things. We discover the world. Because of us you now can know where africa, america, etc.. is situated. We have the best football player of world atm. Also in counter-strike we have the best moviemakers in the world and i can guarantee you that. Its obvious that anything is perfect and like everywhere we have our mistakes and fails. But still i'm proud of being Portuguese no matter what. We're a small country but we are a big united community. So, when you say that he should feel sorry for being born in Portugal you should stfu!
A person who prefers using another country's flag its not a patriot person. Honestly you should be the one to feel sorry for living in your country, since you don't even got the balls and love to show it. We have pride on our country since over the centuries we achieved many things. We discover the world. Because of us you now can know where africa, america, etc.. is situated. We have the best football player of world atm. Also in counter-strike we have the best moviemakers in the world and i can guarantee you that. Its obvious that anything is perfect and like everywhere we have our mistakes and fails. But still i'm proud of being Portuguese no matter what. We're a small country but we are a big united community. So, when you say that he should feel sorry for being born in Portugal you should stfu!
2012-05-22 11:22:07
god I forgot how long those arguements can be when portuguese ppl are involved...
I'm not ashamed for my country nor do I not love it (I've said many times I'm --> French <--), I'm simply educated, something very hard to understand for portuguese people apparently. I love my country but I don't think it has anything to do with patriotism to show it on a video game website. Don't be so proud of your country, we owe nothing to it. If it wasn't for you, you think nobody would have ever come across Africa and America? Come on, you just arrived first... The reason you should feel sorry for being born in Portugal is not the country itself or its history (I could care less about either of them) but for the pathetic behaviour portuguese people display on this forum
Oh and btw the best player in the world is Messi, get over it (and you don't have the best movie makers.)
I'm not ashamed for my country nor do I not love it (I've said many times I'm --> French <--), I'm simply educated, something very hard to understand for portuguese people apparently. I love my country but I don't think it has anything to do with patriotism to show it on a video game website. Don't be so proud of your country, we owe nothing to it. If it wasn't for you, you think nobody would have ever come across Africa and America? Come on, you just arrived first... The reason you should feel sorry for being born in Portugal is not the country itself or its history (I could care less about either of them) but for the pathetic behaviour portuguese people display on this forum
Oh and btw the best player in the world is Messi, get over it (and you don't have the best movie makers.)
2012-05-22 11:47:43
you obviously contradict yourself in every way , begining with the fact that you insinuate that portuguese people are dumb as you can see in your comment #192 and you state that "I'm simply educated, something very hard to understand for portuguese people apparently. I love my country but I don't think it has anything to do with patriotism to show it on a video game website. " ok you're so polite that you call by other words that portuguese guys are shit , well i'm not gonna feed you more cause i dont usually talk to guys who don't know what they said 5 minutes before , if you wanna have a conversation try to remember what you say first
2012-05-22 14:00:15
When I say educated I mean I've done school and such, you know, doesn't mean that I'm polite at all. Btw, I never insinuated that all portuguese people are dumb, even though I think most of those who replied to me in this thread are.
btw I read your comment again, and either it made no sense at all, or you didn't express yourself clearly enough cuz I never contradicted myself here.
Post edited 2012-05-22 15:17:26
btw I read your comment again, and either it made no sense at all, or you didn't express yourself clearly enough cuz I never contradicted myself here.
Post edited 2012-05-22 15:17:26
2012-05-22 15:14:37
So what? Are we responsible for all people's acts?
Sincerely i agree with you some points. Some people have a pathetic behaviour and don't even have the manners to talk or to be polite overhere. So, all the Portuguese people are pathetic? All of us suck?
I don't even wanted to answer on this topic because of the polemics. But this sentence touched me "btw you'd rather be sorry for being born in Portugal bro". that's why i said that upthere. That's why i'm proud of my country. I can't do nothing about other people. So don't judge one country with milions of people by a few dozens of people who are possessed by rage.
Btw, i guarantee you. The best moviemakers belong from Portugal. That i really know what i'm talking about.
Post edited 2012-05-22 19:35:33
Sincerely i agree with you some points. Some people have a pathetic behaviour and don't even have the manners to talk or to be polite overhere. So, all the Portuguese people are pathetic? All of us suck?
I don't even wanted to answer on this topic because of the polemics. But this sentence touched me "btw you'd rather be sorry for being born in Portugal bro". that's why i said that upthere. That's why i'm proud of my country. I can't do nothing about other people. So don't judge one country with milions of people by a few dozens of people who are possessed by rage.
Btw, i guarantee you. The best moviemakers belong from Portugal. That i really know what i'm talking about.
Post edited 2012-05-22 19:35:33
2012-05-22 19:32:53
wow so this is all about a single sentence? This was just a rethorical figure to zelin's "feel sorry for you bro"... I don't particularly hate pt people, I don't care enough for that.
And imo there is no such thing as a "best movie maker", you only prefer some over the rest, doesn't mean he's the absolute best
And imo there is no such thing as a "best movie maker", you only prefer some over the rest, doesn't mean he's the absolute best
2012-05-22 21:28:54
Why do you think i replied to that comment?
And actually there is.
In your point of view is no such thing as a "best cs player" Some prefer SpawN, other prefer HeatoN. The best football player etc etc..
And actually there is.
In your point of view is no such thing as a "best cs player" Some prefer SpawN, other prefer HeatoN. The best football player etc etc..
2012-05-22 22:12:50
like the portuguese are the einsteins of europe. :'D
2012-05-23 00:51:50
not sure what the point is, i watched a minute and i guess it's interesting but i don't see anything relevent. nothing here is a competition between finland and portugal, but if you want to compare something, our country hasn't needed bailing out yet
2012-05-21 23:18:37
ok i think you should see the video till the end , especially from the minute 6:15 .
2012-05-21 23:28:36
ok, i just went through 6mins 30seconds of pure bragging, mostly over useless facts over portugal.
your country helped mine 50 years before i was born? cool i guess, but not at all relevant. i have no idea why finland is brought into this conversation at all in the first place, i realize every portuguese person is extremely patriotic on hltv.org but since i am not and haven't brought up finland once, i guess it's just something you think you have over me?
your country helped mine 50 years before i was born? cool i guess, but not at all relevant. i have no idea why finland is brought into this conversation at all in the first place, i realize every portuguese person is extremely patriotic on hltv.org but since i am not and haven't brought up finland once, i guess it's just something you think you have over me?
2012-05-22 01:38:20
if u see the last minute of the video, u'll see that ur country already was in a situation way worse than we are right now!! our people is going to one of the hardest times in our nations history, so please, if dont have any respect for the portuguese people around here, have some respect for the thousands of portugueses that are going through a rough time, please, at least pretend that u have!
Post edited 2012-05-21 23:52:36
Post edited 2012-05-21 23:52:36
2012-05-21 23:51:59
again you don't make any sense, why are we even comparing finland and portugal in the first place?
i hope portugal figures their problems out with money, but that has nothing to do with people being annoying here and posting that video to make me "fond of your nation"? lol
i hope portugal figures their problems out with money, but that has nothing to do with people being annoying here and posting that video to make me "fond of your nation"? lol
2012-05-22 01:40:02
"based on what i read on this site from your countrymen in comments i'm not very fond of your nation anyway."
I think u are totally retarded and totally disrespectfull!! unbelivable
I think u are totally retarded and totally disrespectfull!! unbelivable
2012-05-21 23:18:29
does calling me retarded make you disrespectful?
2012-05-21 23:23:36
doesnt insinuating that the organizers of this event are corrupt make u retarded?
2012-05-21 23:27:22
i didn't say they are corrupt, that kind of stuff happens all the time just accidentally, people are friendly towards some people, don't want to disappoint others (if they know them) etc, little things.
why do you think k1ck and znation are in the last group, usually meant for lowest seed?
because it plays last, top teams wanted the best schedule (or organizers awarded them it just to be nice).
why do you think k1ck and znation are in the last group, usually meant for lowest seed?
because it plays last, top teams wanted the best schedule (or organizers awarded them it just to be nice).
2012-05-22 01:20:34
Sorry that you have to go through this, but please don't judge a nation over comments of some random teens from a pretty retarded PT cs community.. just ignore them they don't know what an opinion is.
On topic I agree with you about the tournament format being silly, but mainly due to the round difference for the third places because like you said it can't be compared to goals scored and suffered for instance because it's a completely different starting point.. you can't compare teams based on rounds of different maps on differents sides... Also I bet these groups were handpicked.
Anyways thumbs up for the organizers, because in the end what matters is the games and the fun! keep it up.
GL
Post edited 2012-05-22 06:05:39
On topic I agree with you about the tournament format being silly, but mainly due to the round difference for the third places because like you said it can't be compared to goals scored and suffered for instance because it's a completely different starting point.. you can't compare teams based on rounds of different maps on differents sides... Also I bet these groups were handpicked.
Anyways thumbs up for the organizers, because in the end what matters is the games and the fun! keep it up.
GL
Post edited 2012-05-22 06:05:39
2012-05-22 05:56:48
well i was exaggerating a little to make a point, obviously there are people in portugal who are smart like miraa etc too, but this thread seems to be filled with a lot of angry ones :D. plus obviously i separate what people say here and in real life anyways ^^
2012-05-22 06:00:41
dude who cares what you think really.
I personally had a lot of respect for you as a player and for what you give to the cs community.
I think your view of the format is correct but what you just said isnt appropiate.
I personally had a lot of respect for you as a player and for what you give to the cs community.
I think your view of the format is correct but what you just said isnt appropiate.
2012-05-23 15:33:20
clearly a lot of people or this post wouldn't have over 400 comments :D
2012-05-23 16:05:42
OHOH Look at me I think that i am important.. Man people just come to see what a fuck are you saying about portuguese people. If you think that you can do better talk with organization of the Tournament and put yourself leading that.
2012-05-26 12:37:57
We don't like your country too and we don't comment anything about that... But worst that your country is people like you man.. If you don't like you have good solution ....
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2012-05-26 12:31:54
?? K1CK zNation sX x6 ICSU phantoms, i already seen coverages from hltv for worst events :)))) btw u talk too much but u won't attend this tournament, when u go to a tournament u can talk... for me u are ugly and i don't come to hltv saying that..
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2012-05-21 20:33:40
You just did...
(lol)
(lol)
2012-05-21 20:57:37
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"for me you are ugly"
"for me you are ugly"
2012-05-21 21:01:44
ahaha
haters gonna hate
haters gonna hate
2012-05-21 21:53:30
we have NEVER (at least in my time, since sept/oct last year) covered an event with a worse team list. if you think we have, show me that event, and if i agree for a good reason, i will cover this event.
that list includes 0 top10 teams in the world.
of course i am not going to the tournament, i will be in north america during the event and i currently don't play cs, i can still comment on it.
you're entitled to your opinion, luckily majority of the people actually know what good looking people look like so i'm good. ps. you just did, so get off your high horse and stop being mad over me saying your nation's pride in counter-strike isn't actually a top team.
that list includes 0 top10 teams in the world.
of course i am not going to the tournament, i will be in north america during the event and i currently don't play cs, i can still comment on it.
you're entitled to your opinion, luckily majority of the people actually know what good looking people look like so i'm good. ps. you just did, so get off your high horse and stop being mad over me saying your nation's pride in counter-strike isn't actually a top team.
2012-05-21 22:08:33
lol in our country we have 1 or 2 teams that play that for real, the others play with friends, go to holidays together not like you, that train 8 hours per day to play cs,i am not mad i ever played that for fun... the thing that i want to explain you, is that u can complain anything when you are playing that tournament. It's the 1st tournament by that administration and all teams that will play in this tour, noone said that is bad bla bla bla. You are mad lol... next time request another administration for do the tournament format, that is the reason why you are mad... don't cry, and play cs not forum posts cause admins deny you. Thanks
2012-05-21 23:23:11
i have played 0 hours of cs since iem6 wc and about 50 hours in the past 4 months (since iem kiev), that's hardly 8 hours a day. at my most active i probably played 4-6 hours a day before tournaments, but i have never played 8 hours a day often.
if you take a look at comment #88 (http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=152563.. you will see he agrees with everything i said.
admins denied me? i haven't talked to anyone from this tournament about formats.
anyone can form an opinion on anything, i chose to spoke mine out (as do thousands of people daily on hltv.org)
if you take a look at comment #88 (http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=152563.. you will see he agrees with everything i said.
admins denied me? i haven't talked to anyone from this tournament about formats.
anyone can form an opinion on anything, i chose to spoke mine out (as do thousands of people daily on hltv.org)
2012-05-21 23:34:48
I'm sorry but can you stop acting like a child.
It's their Tournament not yours so if you don't like it you don't have to comment and to give your opinion (it's not good or something else)
just say Nice Tournament simple as that.
Common I didn't expect this from you, I know you're a very nice guy.
Hope It will be a good tournament.
Best lucks from Macedonia :)
Post edited 2012-05-22 12:41:54
It's their Tournament not yours so if you don't like it you don't have to comment and to give your opinion (it's not good or something else)
just say Nice Tournament simple as that.
Common I didn't expect this from you, I know you're a very nice guy.
Hope It will be a good tournament.
Best lucks from Macedonia :)
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2012-05-22 12:39:58
that's a nice imaginary world view you have going on right there, never say anything bad and lie to make things look better, hahaha
2012-05-22 16:55:07
There is nothing imaginary going on in my head I'm just saying the truth. ;)
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2012-05-22 22:36:10
"if you don't like it you don't have to comment and to give your opinion (it's not good or something else) just say Nice Tournament simple as that."
that is not how the world works and for a reason. so when a hotel is shit, you shouldn't actually say they have bed bugs because it might hurt their business, so instead just be nice and not write a review on hotels.com about it?
that is not how the world works and for a reason. so when a hotel is shit, you shouldn't actually say they have bed bugs because it might hurt their business, so instead just be nice and not write a review on hotels.com about it?
2012-05-22 22:42:07
I agree, seriously, I don't understand, why can't anyone speak their opinion out? So weird that people on here think it's somehow tied with opinions about country itself...It's all about format, read carefully -_-
And it's such a funny argument by the way "it's their tournament, not yours" haha
And it's such a funny argument by the way "it's their tournament, not yours" haha
2012-05-22 23:29:02
Go to a 5 star hotel there are no bed bugs there ;)
2012-05-23 03:31:00
for me u are ugly!
WIN!
WIN!
2012-05-21 23:19:08
I was going to tell you to come back in 4-5 years and be amazed of the retarded comments you managed to put together as a younger teenager, but then I discovered that you're 19.
I feel sorry for you. I really do.
I feel sorry for you. I really do.
2012-05-23 01:22:37
You being a known and respected member of the CS community, a world class cs player, and part of the HLTV.org staff should be a bit more careful with what you write. We all have opinions but when you've some many people who read your comments and that blindly follow what you say you should avoid using adjectives like "catastrophic" to describe the format of a tournament made by an organization that's taking it's first steps. That comment (along with the others you made after that, specially the one regarding the quality of the teams) may have possibly reduced the number of people interested in watching the tournament which can turn into less money being invested by sponsors, or even a complete loss of interest, in am hypothetical future edition of the tournament. You may think that you don't have that big of an impact, but you do, and a player of your status should be a bit more diplomatic when speaking in public specially considering that you're not in any way affected by this since you're not going to play in the tournament, the player and the teams that will attend it should be the ones complaining, but they haven't, making what you've just said sound like a rant.
2012-05-21 21:01:31
i stand by my words, the format is catastrophic. with me you get what you see, i don't beat around the bush like 90% of players and lie, i actually say the truth.
if people choose to not watch because i say something that means they just live their lives the wrong way and there is nothing i can do about that.
if people choose to not watch because i say something that means they just live their lives the wrong way and there is nothing i can do about that.
2012-05-21 22:02:46
dude, stop being so arrogant for christ sakes, ur not better than anyone around here, ur not in higher moral ground, stop that non-sense!
one thing is, having an opinion, stating that opinion with good arguments, which u did. another thing, completely different, is to QUESTION the honor, the respect of the organizers by the rest of the others teams when u dont even know them, stop that, u should know better!
one thing is, having an opinion, stating that opinion with good arguments, which u did. another thing, completely different, is to QUESTION the honor, the respect of the organizers by the rest of the others teams when u dont even know them, stop that, u should know better!
2012-05-21 23:06:32
i didn't question "the honor" of anyone, i said the format is terrible and i do know that.
2012-05-21 23:20:27
no u didnt, be a man or as much of a man u can possibly be! u said KICK COINCIDENTALLY went to the group that has more teams advancing!!
2012-05-21 23:34:47
doesn't really question anyone's honor, almost every tournament in the world (except esl) does that because the people in charge are friends with or fans of certain teams, so they do it without realizing it. hardly to do with "honor" of a person.
2012-05-21 23:37:42
i honestly think u are kidding me, i can not believe what i just read! cmon, u can think of a better excuse!!
2012-05-21 23:43:13
i am being 110% honest, i can give you examples of arbalet favoring fnatic etc if you want, it exists everywhere (including here)
2012-05-22 01:26:07
#213, by YOU:"i didn't make judgments of anyone character, stop overreacting."
#214, by you: " including HERE"! that just shows how coerent u are kid!!! ffs
#214, by you: " including HERE"! that just shows how coerent u are kid!!! ffs
2012-05-22 16:04:36
ridiculous sorry bro. K1CK will win this tournament don't need help for nothing. another thing, don't come to play again, k1ck will caught u and will pwn u, like IN DA MODAFAKING FACE
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2012-05-23 14:46:27
can i say the truth too then? ur ugly, and im glad im not you.
2012-05-22 10:10:21
who the hell are u to put the organizers honor in question? tell me, who the hell are u and what the hell do u know about them to make judgements about their character?! i honestly think u dont deserve to be a member of this website staff, honestly, u dont have what it takes. please quit, u ashame all of the other members!
2012-05-21 23:03:41
i never made judgments on the organizer's character, i judged the format which is terrible.
2012-05-21 23:19:51
are u kidding me man, seriously, are u freaking kidding? u are not all stupid man, if my country fellows decided to pick on you because of that tournament thing, i couldnt care less, i even think u are right! but u have some responsabilities around here, u cant say things like that, u cant make judges of character like that, much less when u dont know them! be a man, and apolozige!
2012-05-21 23:36:40
go imba
2012-05-21 19:19:01
gogogo semXorah and K1CK
2012-05-21 19:19:15
favorite
x6
zNation
semXorah
IMBA
K1CK ?
x6
zNation
semXorah
IMBA
K1CK ?
2012-05-21 19:19:32
k1ck and IMBA only
2012-05-21 19:47:51
lol pM >znation and imba for sure
2012-05-21 20:12:48
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw16aa5eFB1qcysa6.j..
2012-05-21 20:36:15
GO k1ck pM NG!
2012-05-21 19:20:10
hltv will cover the event?
2012-05-21 19:20:18
I don't see topteams so why should they?
2012-05-21 19:22:17
K1CK, x6 and sX should deserve more respect.
2012-05-21 19:25:06
sX? They're so incredibly bad. They didn't reach anything. No one of these players is even good. They just have money to travel.
K1CK was a good team indeed. I didn't see them playing for years. It feels like at least. They gained a new sponsor and they said they will go to tournaments now but I can't see it. :-)
x6 is just a semi pro team!
K1CK was a good team indeed. I didn't see them playing for years. It feels like at least. They gained a new sponsor and they said they will go to tournaments now but I can't see it. :-)
x6 is just a semi pro team!
2012-05-21 19:28:37
x6tence hasn't done anything internationally since 2006 and k1ck hasn't ever. semxorah is the bad brazilian team that goes to all dreamhacks etc (and went to copenhagen games) and has yet to break top 16 afaik.
they aren't top teams by a long shot, which is why we don't do full coverage - while there are a lot of portuguese fans, it would be too much work to do full coverage of an event like this.
they aren't top teams by a long shot, which is why we don't do full coverage - while there are a lot of portuguese fans, it would be too much work to do full coverage of an event like this.
2012-05-21 19:29:24
If winfakt attend this event , HLTV should cover the tournament...
2012-05-21 19:33:35
k1ck hasnt ever ? Dude i dont know if you remember gamegune 2010, i think. when k1ck scores a 5th place. K1ck did so well, beat mousesports and others good teams from brasil (CNB) and french (dont remember the name). k1ck just hasnt done anything cause they dont have opportunitty attending major tournaments, k1ck has great pottencial to became a top team but in portugal we dont have conditions to do that..
Gl with your team
Gl with your team
2012-05-21 20:46:53
id like to see other team training for a big tournament playing online with 80-120 ping like k1ck done and keep doing. Its very hard training in portugal, Coachi (k1ck's captain) said that most of the times they cant see if tactics are doing well, cause her laggs are high, they die wihout seeing anybody. Most of the team dont want to train with k1ck, to k1ck play with 60 ping others top teams have to play with 30 ping, wich is to higher for him... Dude, dont hate this. We are a small country we just want job :)
2012-05-21 20:53:38
i'm not hating on k1ck, i have no idea why people are taking my comment so negatively, even coachi himself said he agrees. it's irrelevant whether they haven't done well because of lack of good conditions, motivation or skill - they haven't, and that proves my point
2012-05-21 23:26:52
k1ck has attended lots of events (eswc, wcg etc) through qualifiers, but i agree their practice conditions aren't good - which is irrelevant.
i looked up gamegune results (http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=82&eventid=606) and here is what k1ck did at gamegune 2010:
9-16 vs fnatic
16-14 vs mousesports (without their best player roman or 3rd best player Tixo - http://www.hltv.org/news/4788-mouz-announce-gamegu.. with Blizzard[inactive for years] and d0m AZ as stand-ins)
4-16 vs Na`Vi
surely that's not a bad result, but the fact that taking down a mousesports pug once is a highlight proves my point - k1ck aren't a bad team, but they aren't a top team either.
placing "5th" doesn't mean anything without being top teams, at gamegune 2010 there were only 3 legitimately good teams, so already placing 4th wouldn't mean anything imo.
thanks for the good luck i suppose? but i'm not an active cs player right now.
Post edited 2012-05-21 23:32:48
i looked up gamegune results (http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=82&eventid=606) and here is what k1ck did at gamegune 2010:
9-16 vs fnatic
16-14 vs mousesports (without their best player roman or 3rd best player Tixo - http://www.hltv.org/news/4788-mouz-announce-gamegu.. with Blizzard[inactive for years] and d0m AZ as stand-ins)
4-16 vs Na`Vi
surely that's not a bad result, but the fact that taking down a mousesports pug once is a highlight proves my point - k1ck aren't a bad team, but they aren't a top team either.
placing "5th" doesn't mean anything without being top teams, at gamegune 2010 there were only 3 legitimately good teams, so already placing 4th wouldn't mean anything imo.
thanks for the good luck i suppose? but i'm not an active cs player right now.
Post edited 2012-05-21 23:32:48
2012-05-21 23:32:09
yeah, i agree with you, im not saying that k1ck are a top team. Just didint agree when you said "since 2006 and k1ck hasn't ever". For portugal was a big archievement, since portuguese teams never managed to win anything out of doors.
About coverage, i agree with you said but i remember some tournaments in Asia, i think with just one "top"/good team and hltv did coverage about that.
Yeah i wish you luck ,in the future.
About coverage, i agree with you said but i remember some tournaments in Asia, i think with just one "top"/good team and hltv did coverage about that.
Yeah i wish you luck ,in the future.
2012-05-22 14:48:39
what you're kind of missing is that we WILL do coverage of this event too, but just the usual - hot matches, and post about results. that is the standard coverage we always do, unless nix0n is on-site at the tournament itself.
by "doing anything internationally" i meant being multiple top teams etc, k1ck isn't a bad team but they just aren't a top team.
by "doing anything internationally" i meant being multiple top teams etc, k1ck isn't a bad team but they just aren't a top team.
2012-05-22 16:57:04
LOL ex-WinFakt lurppis talking (Who got expeled)... Jesus christ. Stupid little guys with such an amazing amount of words in their mouth, but when it comes to go to a tournament, where the heck are you ?
Ahahah, just don't more about this tournament because you don't know a thing.
Jesus, we do people talk like this when they don't know what the hell are they talking about?
Post edited 2012-05-21 20:51:40
Ahahah, just don't more about this tournament because you don't know a thing.
Jesus, we do people talk like this when they don't know what the hell are they talking about?
Post edited 2012-05-21 20:51:40
2012-05-21 20:50:40
i realize you are mad because of what i said about k1ck, but it's true - they have never beaten a top team on lan.
oh and btw, i didn't get "expelled", i chose to stop playing cs. big difference.
oh and btw, i didn't get "expelled", i chose to stop playing cs. big difference.
2012-05-21 22:01:12
Yeahh bro, probably the best thing that you have done in your life :)
When you are very bad don't try harder just choose to stop playing CS . . . Have a nice day
When you are very bad don't try harder just choose to stop playing CS . . . Have a nice day
2012-05-21 22:21:34
my career begs to differ with your statement.
i will have a great day indeed
i will have a great day indeed
2012-05-21 22:23:48
stop man, pls
In fact (thats why winfakt?! D) lurppis is one of the smartest igl I've ever seen. This is a very long way and u've done 0 percent of it. fear & worship him
my shitty eng
In fact (thats why winfakt?! D) lurppis is one of the smartest igl I've ever seen. This is a very long way and u've done 0 percent of it. fear & worship him
my shitty eng
2012-05-21 23:33:05
lurppis don't delete my comment!:(
n1
n1
2012-05-21 19:22:43
Z-Nation GO!
2012-05-21 19:22:50
k1ck the winner.
2012-05-21 19:22:54
dreamteam gogogo
2012-05-21 19:25:17
we only do dreamteam for big events, it would be impossible to gather player information for all the local teams so events like this don't stand a chance at getting dreamteam, sorry.
2012-05-21 19:27:48
ex winfakt not going? :( saddd
2012-05-21 19:28:44
IMBA lineup?
2012-05-21 19:31:03
Potti, striker, emilio, rape & dalito
2012-05-21 19:32:36
http://fraglider.pt/?id=6848
Website is in portuguese, but if you scroll down to "Equipas Presentes" you got all the lineup's there.
Post edited 2012-05-21 21:18:27
Website is in portuguese, but if you scroll down to "Equipas Presentes" you got all the lineup's there.
Post edited 2012-05-21 21:18:27
2012-05-21 21:18:06
GO IMBA
2012-05-21 19:31:09
GROUP A : sX & E5/OVERFUZION
GROUP B : NG & PTO
GROUP C : PHANTOMS & MADJICK/HARDSTYLE
GROUP D : IMBA & EQUILIBRIUM/PANDORUM
GROUP E : x6tence & exotic
GROUP F : K1CK & znation
gl all teams,great tournament ;)
GROUP B : NG & PTO
GROUP C : PHANTOMS & MADJICK/HARDSTYLE
GROUP D : IMBA & EQUILIBRIUM/PANDORUM
GROUP E : x6tence & exotic
GROUP F : K1CK & znation
gl all teams,great tournament ;)
2012-05-21 19:31:31
GL PTO-Gaming :)
2012-05-21 19:37:39
gl zNation, gogogo for top-3 of tournament :)
2012-05-21 19:37:41
lineups ?
2012-05-21 19:44:42
http://fraglider.pt/?id=6848
2012-05-21 19:52:14
znation gl
2012-05-21 19:50:32
go potti
2012-05-21 19:58:00
Pott1!
2012-05-21 20:05:12
gl k1ck
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Post edited 2012-05-21 20:21:13
2012-05-21 20:20:31
semXorah (felippe, MKR, mch, LuL4, atx)
airwave (dAmnek, omar, charly, bush, contrak)
x6tence (xikii, oFF, FlipiN, arki, Kairi)
zNation (wAke, redman, liTTle, hoNdroz, AERO)
imba.icsu (emilio, Potti, dalito, rape, striker)
K1CK (fox, coachi, rmn, mUt, axoN)
Phantoms (dzt, ehz, ririo, keznitt, xAims)
NorthernGrade (AIm, spekz, KillDream, n0rx, RIZZ)
madjicK (iNsideR, AdukeN, FrozeN, firefox, kekuzny)
PTO-Gaming (just, hanz, zapu, Body, gaspy)
energiE5 (vsk, oDEIth, xoto, LOBO, Axyz)
minorityteam (DIXON, w0rms, gaMbleR, stadodo, kubia)
eQuilibrium (pSychic, XTRM, tXd, bReka, heizen)
uP Gaming (HARD, ANGELZ, zlynx, ZELIN, kSHARK)
wints (toty, STRAYNZ, hvn, nexus, waza)
DREAMERS (FREEDOM, K1KO, JOSTER, skyburN, BUHYAH)
NOSENSE (srg, aimoN, zeek, hack, aimbr)
xfunction (bife, sdw, hUrley, NABOWOW, smaker)
JUVENTUDE (AROZ, DUKa, iMaa, AZNAG, NTRL)
expertminds (luque, sashe, penetraum, mini, sun)
Pandorum (Moah, cdx, fallen, neeve, KAB)
exotic-island (jON, gax, weapoN, kastoN, joz)
BLENDED-Gaming (NEYLL, MAAGNUM, mons, Mendyy, changes)
OverFuzioN (Lammeco, Fredynhu, SkalibaN, wizarDz, aj)
HardStyle (fricky, sohn, bryan, mAister, arfi)
airwave (dAmnek, omar, charly, bush, contrak)
x6tence (xikii, oFF, FlipiN, arki, Kairi)
zNation (wAke, redman, liTTle, hoNdroz, AERO)
imba.icsu (emilio, Potti, dalito, rape, striker)
K1CK (fox, coachi, rmn, mUt, axoN)
Phantoms (dzt, ehz, ririo, keznitt, xAims)
NorthernGrade (AIm, spekz, KillDream, n0rx, RIZZ)
madjicK (iNsideR, AdukeN, FrozeN, firefox, kekuzny)
PTO-Gaming (just, hanz, zapu, Body, gaspy)
energiE5 (vsk, oDEIth, xoto, LOBO, Axyz)
minorityteam (DIXON, w0rms, gaMbleR, stadodo, kubia)
eQuilibrium (pSychic, XTRM, tXd, bReka, heizen)
uP Gaming (HARD, ANGELZ, zlynx, ZELIN, kSHARK)
wints (toty, STRAYNZ, hvn, nexus, waza)
DREAMERS (FREEDOM, K1KO, JOSTER, skyburN, BUHYAH)
NOSENSE (srg, aimoN, zeek, hack, aimbr)
xfunction (bife, sdw, hUrley, NABOWOW, smaker)
JUVENTUDE (AROZ, DUKa, iMaa, AZNAG, NTRL)
expertminds (luque, sashe, penetraum, mini, sun)
Pandorum (Moah, cdx, fallen, neeve, KAB)
exotic-island (jON, gax, weapoN, kastoN, joz)
BLENDED-Gaming (NEYLL, MAAGNUM, mons, Mendyy, changes)
OverFuzioN (Lammeco, Fredynhu, SkalibaN, wizarDz, aj)
HardStyle (fricky, sohn, bryan, mAister, arfi)
2012-05-21 20:32:47
ty
2012-05-21 21:15:16
hey lurppis, come to portugal play C.S. 1.6 and don´t joke with portuguese teams/organization portuguese because K1CK and Phantoms, if they had the same conditions that your team for example were much better ok man ? and sorry my english...
2012-05-21 20:36:53
It's a shame part of hltv.org lal
2012-05-21 20:37:33
the tournament format is only for portuguese players to play more against pros and the best
2012-05-21 20:50:40
if they wanted to do that, they should have done 4 groups of 6-7 teams each, more matches for everyone and it would be a legitimate format
2012-05-22 04:55:11
they should?
why do you think you have the correct format? LOOL
they done the tournament this way cause in theirs opinion it's the best for the teams, if you don't agree or want to criticize, do it in a pleasant way plz :)
why do you think you have the correct format? LOOL
they done the tournament this way cause in theirs opinion it's the best for the teams, if you don't agree or want to criticize, do it in a pleasant way plz :)
2012-05-22 09:41:39
please learn to read and comprehend:
waz1 said they did it this way so everyone could get to play more - i proved this isn't the best way to let people play as much as possible.
my format is backed with reasoning, theirs make no sense. my comment was pleasant enough, mad portuguese people just blew it up, as usual.
waz1 said they did it this way so everyone could get to play more - i proved this isn't the best way to let people play as much as possible.
my format is backed with reasoning, theirs make no sense. my comment was pleasant enough, mad portuguese people just blew it up, as usual.
2012-05-22 16:36:31
What were you guys expecting? For Nix0n to move down to Porto and meet you?
This is an outstanding tournament for the "common local teams", but for the big sponsored community its just one more local and restricted occurence. I'm not saying that this isn't a good chance to meet the pro's, play for money and all, but compared to the european "big championship" standards, the xFunctionFRAGlíderCUP by CJM ain't even close to it, and that's exactly the good part: you guys from Portugal should enjoy this tournament and not worry about international coverage.
By the way, here in Brazil we are reproducing this Cup's news in every big eSports website and we'll be tuned in from the begining.
This is an outstanding tournament for the "common local teams", but for the big sponsored community its just one more local and restricted occurence. I'm not saying that this isn't a good chance to meet the pro's, play for money and all, but compared to the european "big championship" standards, the xFunctionFRAGlíderCUP by CJM ain't even close to it, and that's exactly the good part: you guys from Portugal should enjoy this tournament and not worry about international coverage.
By the way, here in Brazil we are reproducing this Cup's news in every big eSports website and we'll be tuned in from the begining.
2012-05-21 20:53:39
Your comments are so unprofessional, lurppis. Why can't you shut the fuck up, when you have to? Go find a new org for your old mates, and try to leave alone people who are still struggling for new events to all community. Just what you think or do, it's correct. All the rest is shit!
Good luck to all teams!!
Good luck to all teams!!
2012-05-21 20:56:51
i would gladly assist in helping find an organization for my old teammates if they still wanted to play, but they don't. the team is dead, and that's all there is to it.
2012-05-22 04:56:13
Come on guys you are not being reasonable here, it is pretty obvious that the teams attending are not good enough for hltv.org to do a full coverage, the format isn't perfect either... But this is a START for this tournament, and this could be a good tournament in the future. For sure the organizers will learn a lot from here and the next one could bring top teams to Portugal. Lurppis is actually right in everything he said, even tough i think we just never did big damage in international tournaments only because our pracctice conditions are ridiculous and we can not afford to go to international events on a regular basis, still he was right and there is nothing to hate about! GL everyone
2012-05-21 21:03:45
In the end, coachi, it all comes down to money and experience. Like you guys, many other teams have talented players but no training conditions neither any money to travel around. Just like you said, lurppis is right, but this tournament is a big step ahead and shall lead Portugal to a higher level of competition.
2012-05-21 21:35:32
finally we have a reasonable fellow sporting the portuguese flag, some of the people posting should probably take a look here... :D
2012-05-21 22:25:47
Cmon Tomi, just because he agrees with you, it can't be the only "decent" comment around here.
Once again, a bad choice of words.
Once again, a bad choice of words.
2012-05-21 23:51:57
I agree with lurppis and i dont have anything against portuguese people also brazilian but if you say something bad about k1ck/foxj and fallen they get mad and they start insulting you.
2012-05-22 00:38:47
Yeah, lurppis isn't saying something out of normal, he is just giving his own opinion, nothing more. But that's a problem Portuguese people have, including me. We don't really like when foreign people trashtalk about Portugal or portuguese teams/whatever that has to do with our country.
Tournament organisers can't really please everyone, it's impossible. And it's nice that someone is trying to create something new. Ofc lurppis would be happier if his system started being adopted by organizers.
Plus, let's be realistic. It's going to take a while until a portuguese tournament is fully covered by HLTV.org. Til then, let's hope for a huge load of new tournaments... The more, the better!
I really hope for a good tournament, and GL for all the teams, hope for a portuguese one to win :D
Tournament organisers can't really please everyone, it's impossible. And it's nice that someone is trying to create something new. Ofc lurppis would be happier if his system started being adopted by organizers.
Plus, let's be realistic. It's going to take a while until a portuguese tournament is fully covered by HLTV.org. Til then, let's hope for a huge load of new tournaments... The more, the better!
I really hope for a good tournament, and GL for all the teams, hope for a portuguese one to win :D
2012-05-22 01:06:11
No no i didn't say anything about the tournament system i just said that i agree with lurppis about the comments from portuguese fans about k1ck when coachi a player of k1ck himself agrees with him and the fans don't. See #84 #69 #67 #79 and many more.
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2012-05-22 01:12:10
(Yeah, I know, but as I was writing the comment, I decided to write everything)
I read the whole conversation, and, as I said, that's the way portuguese people "behave" towards critics. But, once more, coachi showed his "rational ability" by being calm and neutral
I read the whole conversation, and, as I said, that's the way portuguese people "behave" towards critics. But, once more, coachi showed his "rational ability" by being calm and neutral
2012-05-22 01:22:26
yea but if you know it's a problem people have, why insult me? i don't get how patriotic some people are because someone was born on the same piece of land as them.
what i proposed is by no means "my" system, as i said it's something starcraft2 tourneys use and the re-seeding is from nhl - just thoughts for improvements.
i do think this format is really bad though, it promotes the wrong things in cs and there's a good reason it hadn't been used in the past 11 years of competitive cs.
at least you understood the coverage part, kudos to you
what i proposed is by no means "my" system, as i said it's something starcraft2 tourneys use and the re-seeding is from nhl - just thoughts for improvements.
i do think this format is really bad though, it promotes the wrong things in cs and there's a good reason it hadn't been used in the past 11 years of competitive cs.
at least you understood the coverage part, kudos to you
2012-05-22 01:31:35
I do believe people are insulting you because you're lurppis, the pro-player, the kind of person everyone wants the chance to talk to. Plus, you look like a direct person that goes straight to the point, which is something people aren't expecting/used to. If it was a random user, people would just think: "eh, just another random guy" and would not care this much
I think that this format is just for making an experiment: if it proves it is bad, on the next edition they will certainly change to another one, untill they reach the perfect format.
cheers
I think that this format is just for making an experiment: if it proves it is bad, on the next edition they will certainly change to another one, untill they reach the perfect format.
cheers
2012-05-22 01:43:48
I rarely side for lurppis, but seriously look at what ppl said higher in the thread, you'll see that very few comments made sense, but yours and frk's
2012-05-22 00:52:13
it's the only reasonable comment here because he actually read what i posted, thought about it, and posted back. everyone else here seems to think "oh he attacked portugal? YOU SUCK YOU'RE AN IDIOT AND WRONG!!! APOLOGIZE!!!"
not a bad choice of words, and certainly not again since i haven't done it yet
not a bad choice of words, and certainly not again since i haven't done it yet
2012-05-22 01:28:04
He basically agreed with you and explained it why.
Judging by the amount of comments here, you can clearly see that you could have been a little more polite, at least, in your words. I understand that you want to tell the truth and follow your opinion, still, you could have done it in a bit more respectful and professional way.
You are indeed important within this community, but being someone with your status, use it to be constructive, to be helpful. "Here's what I think it's wrong and here's the solution for it", for example.
Unfortunately your honesty turned in a nation being against you. Again.
PS: I truly regret the majority of the comments I see around here. It's bad for you, it's bad for the event, it's bad for a reputation. Hopefully people in the near future won't come up with this as an excuse to stop supporting our work.
Post edited 2012-05-22 01:38:45
Judging by the amount of comments here, you can clearly see that you could have been a little more polite, at least, in your words. I understand that you want to tell the truth and follow your opinion, still, you could have done it in a bit more respectful and professional way.
You are indeed important within this community, but being someone with your status, use it to be constructive, to be helpful. "Here's what I think it's wrong and here's the solution for it", for example.
Unfortunately your honesty turned in a nation being against you. Again.
PS: I truly regret the majority of the comments I see around here. It's bad for you, it's bad for the event, it's bad for a reputation. Hopefully people in the near future won't come up with this as an excuse to stop supporting our work.
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2012-05-22 01:35:50
100 portuguese hltv.org visitors is hardly a nation, calm down there... :D
2012-05-22 01:50:02
#147
not sure what the point is, i watched a minute and i guess it's interesting but i don't see anything relevent. nothing here is a competition between finland and portugal, but if you want to compare something, our country hasn't needed bailing out yet
But here, you piece of shit, you talk to an entire nation, jackass!
not sure what the point is, i watched a minute and i guess it's interesting but i don't see anything relevent. nothing here is a competition between finland and portugal, but if you want to compare something, our country hasn't needed bailing out yet
But here, you piece of shit, you talk to an entire nation, jackass!
2012-05-22 07:18:05
:O lols, so agro, calm down, wow...
he wasn't technically talking to an entire nation, he was talking to a single individual.
unless you meant "you talk of an entire nation" but then your comment makes no sense.
Post edited 2012-05-22 11:06:53
he wasn't technically talking to an entire nation, he was talking to a single individual.
unless you meant "you talk of an entire nation" but then your comment makes no sense.
Post edited 2012-05-22 11:06:53
2012-05-22 11:00:31
dude, read what he said carefully!
COINCIDENTALLY ur in the group where more teams will advance! the key word is COINCIDENTALLY! tell me, is that the kind of language/behavior u demand from a person that has the kind of responsability that he has? are u freaking kidding me? he might be right about everything else, whatever, but he's talking about u and the organizers like u DECIDED to do that, he's talking about things and persons that he has no clue about! are u kidding me? if it was me, he wouldnt stay without answer, thats for sure!
COINCIDENTALLY ur in the group where more teams will advance! the key word is COINCIDENTALLY! tell me, is that the kind of language/behavior u demand from a person that has the kind of responsability that he has? are u freaking kidding me? he might be right about everything else, whatever, but he's talking about u and the organizers like u DECIDED to do that, he's talking about things and persons that he has no clue about! are u kidding me? if it was me, he wouldnt stay without answer, thats for sure!
2012-05-21 23:26:07
ggglhf zNation,k1ck,sX
2012-05-21 21:09:26
Oh please, I see the comments here and I laugh.
With all the hate that I have for lurppis for being a complete douchebag, he's right.
This tournament is boring to be honest and I can count the number of good teams with one hand only, and still I manage to have few fingers left (which means there are less than 5 good teams for those of you who can't do the math).
The tournament format is also ridiculous...
Bottom line, HLTV.org should feature just the finals .. because that would be probably the only good match from this tournament.
With all the hate that I have for lurppis for being a complete douchebag, he's right.
This tournament is boring to be honest and I can count the number of good teams with one hand only, and still I manage to have few fingers left (which means there are less than 5 good teams for those of you who can't do the math).
The tournament format is also ridiculous...
Bottom line, HLTV.org should feature just the finals .. because that would be probably the only good match from this tournament.
2012-05-21 21:21:40
too bad that cmar couldnt come to portugal because they thought they would be favored LOLOLOL
2012-05-21 21:27:09
So because I have a UK flag that means I think cMar or any other British team is good right? ... lol
You must be an idiot :) grow up
You must be an idiot :) grow up
2012-05-21 21:35:00
Don't give 'em attention :|
2012-05-21 22:35:08
Totally agree. But when that is said I have to say that if I was a Portuguese countrymen i would do the same, defending their country. It is not that often there are events on this size over there? But in my point of view I am also for once agreeing with lurppis, and that is not often at all!
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2012-05-21 21:42:43
Yet they must be reasonable and know that HLTV.org isn't here to coverage each and every possible tournament around the world.
This tournament might be interesting for Portuguese fans, but since there are no top teams there, no one except for them would be really interested in watching those matches unless he's really bored / he's a huge fan of underdog teams - and if you're one.. I'm sure Fraglider will provide you a way to watch this tournament without HLTV.org ..
This tournament might be interesting for Portuguese fans, but since there are no top teams there, no one except for them would be really interested in watching those matches unless he's really bored / he's a huge fan of underdog teams - and if you're one.. I'm sure Fraglider will provide you a way to watch this tournament without HLTV.org ..
2012-05-21 21:57:15
GL x6 you are the favorite! :S
:D
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:D
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2012-05-21 21:32:56
ZNATION
2012-05-21 21:35:42
go k1ck!
2012-05-21 21:47:30
line ups ? :)
gl zNation!
gl zNation!
2012-05-21 22:02:16
#65
2012-05-21 22:06:35
ty dude.
2012-05-21 22:17:18
I dont know why hltv does not coverage this event, it is not a big event but if you are saying that cs is dying and all that, why dont coverage nice tournaments, not one of the biggest, but there are some nice and interesting teams and matches, why not? I really cant understand.
Anyway GL x6tence and come back to sapin with the 1st price.
Anyway GL x6tence and come back to sapin with the 1st price.
2012-05-21 22:11:04
lurppis is just being lurppis, don't know why anyone is even trying to argue with that knucklehead.
obviously the tournament has big names, but i've seen big tournaments from serbia, bosnia, etc being covered and there weren't that many international top teams there.
i don't have any problem with them being covered, nor do i care if this tournament isn't covered, but taking lurppis seriously and to not be a huge douche is like expecting the 2nd coming of christ in your lifetime.
obviously the tournament has big names, but i've seen big tournaments from serbia, bosnia, etc being covered and there weren't that many international top teams there.
i don't have any problem with them being covered, nor do i care if this tournament isn't covered, but taking lurppis seriously and to not be a huge douche is like expecting the 2nd coming of christ in your lifetime.
2012-05-21 22:33:50
dont attack lurppis, he do a very nice job here in hltv and I like him, but a I am with you on the point tha, a lot of tournaments with less big teams are covegare.
2012-05-21 23:38:56
it's not even "attacking", lurppis is known to be a huge cunt and makes no attempt to even not look like it.
it's funny hltv.oth tries to enforce rules and prevent flame wars between countries when a "colaborator" goes on to generalize a whole countries community based on comments off a website. it's a pitty it has come to this, but i guess those are the perks that come from being a pro player. it sets a bad example and a website like hltv.org has no need to lick the shoes of a moron who thinks his word is dogma.
Post edited 2012-05-21 23:59:41
it's funny hltv.oth tries to enforce rules and prevent flame wars between countries when a "colaborator" goes on to generalize a whole countries community based on comments off a website. it's a pitty it has come to this, but i guess those are the perks that come from being a pro player. it sets a bad example and a website like hltv.org has no need to lick the shoes of a moron who thinks his word is dogma.
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2012-05-21 23:57:15
i am actually nice to everyone who is nice to me, when people annoy me i annoy them back, simple as that, and clearly it's working :)
2012-05-22 05:05:41
lurppis , we are big comunity here in hltv , so u must show some respect, and seriusly our teams and our tournaments needs attention , to win sponsor and etc, 25 teams , and giving oportunity to 3rd places do something its good to have freshfish , and cs tournaments needs some changes, u can cover at least the final fases , thx
2012-05-21 22:19:39
what you need to understand is i haven't disrespected you. hltv.org doesn't have enough manpower to cover every single tournament, that is a fact. as i already said, we will do the usual; hot matches for playoffs and a results post after event.
we can't send nix0n to portugal and we can't write post match posts about every match, so what else can you possible ask for?
we can't send nix0n to portugal and we can't write post match posts about every match, so what else can you possible ask for?
2012-05-22 05:21:47
gl KICK and zNation!
2012-05-21 23:10:28
HardStyle lineup please ?!
LE: OH shit, now i saw #65
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LE: OH shit, now i saw #65
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2012-05-21 23:25:22
Imba easy gruop D..striker and potti not top form but they will kick they ass...sory for bad english ;)
2012-05-22 00:28:21
lurpis don't go in portugal they are going mad on you :D:D:D you guys are clueless and i think don't want to hear what he said.... and yes portugal cs sucks hard as brazilian and etc (+ finland cs but i liked WF lineup) :)
2012-05-22 00:31:19
Well took some time to read all of this, there are lot of dumbfucks on this topic, who dont even read the text but just jump into Tomi's neck and start flaming and making shit up. I think its going to be a decent event, its a big step and i hope its going to be good. This event will show if there will be next ones and will they be bigger aswell with more teams to come. People should not judge others on what they are writing here, everybody has they're own opinion and should just keep the shit they want to say to others, to themselves. Nice article, i hope it goes well with this event ;)
2012-05-22 00:32:37
we may be in recession , but we are still united as one country
2012-05-22 00:53:41
The portuguese rage is strong in this one!!
btw, GL k1ck :)
Post edited 2012-05-22 00:57:35
btw, GL k1ck :)
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2012-05-22 00:56:10
all those discussions for a shitty tournament rofl
2012-05-22 01:34:45
go sX
2012-05-22 01:41:54
Beings lurppis enough a little more educated ... I to not know if you know but it will be one of the best tournaments ever held in Portugal "but the best" and had a great job organizing it all, the Portuguese are very thankful no one Thinks you are attacking the country but You Could have Been more polite because the 1st tournament is sure That organization will best very near future.
2012-05-22 03:13:02
about tournament, final K1CK vs semXorah I guess, LuL4 and mch are pretty agressive/skilled players, MKR is solid, If atx and flp do well they`ll do some damage...
2012-05-22 03:55:42
lol lol lol... Say what u think allways lurppis, only donkeys and retards dont understand your point...
I laught a lot reading this thread and believe me, some guys just "pay" for what they say in other times about other tournaments.
Post edited 2012-05-22 04:24:37
I laught a lot reading this thread and believe me, some guys just "pay" for what they say in other times about other tournaments.
Post edited 2012-05-22 04:24:37
2012-05-22 04:23:47
yeah ok , sure you can't defend you contry cause in question is fraglider and you belong to defs , just put that fights behind and can you support you country's tournamentes ? maybe ? try it
2012-05-22 14:16:04
where lurppis attack my country? He just say he disagree about tournament format and explain why. Defs over but i and others members dont, so we can say what we think like u and the truth is "Each person has what he deserves", if u know what i mean ;)
But anyway i just want to see a good tournament with good games and good organization. GL dzt ;)
Post edited 2012-05-22 18:02:12
But anyway i just want to see a good tournament with good games and good organization. GL dzt ;)
Post edited 2012-05-22 18:02:12
2012-05-22 17:57:54
well the tournament is very good and picked alot of teams and is actually the best tournament for now that portugal had recently , so i agree with each person has what he deserves cause they worked hard to make it possible , so i agree with you this time .
and i hope to see a good tournament , luck to all and i wish everyone enjoying to see good teams playing each other
Post edited 2012-05-22 18:09:55
and i hope to see a good tournament , luck to all and i wish everyone enjoying to see good teams playing each other
Post edited 2012-05-22 18:09:55
2012-05-22 18:02:22
lurppis can you stfu? no one cares. thx
2012-05-22 04:31:19
246 comments in this news post beg to differ, most of which are answers to my comment :D
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2012-05-22 05:06:59
why do you need to be so cocky?
do you think you are superior compared to us? just because you played professional cs?
stop being such a hater and try to understand other people opinions, cause in months of seeing hltv.org i didnt see ONCE you change ur opinion, so thinnk about that
gl k1ck and overfuzion
do you think you are superior compared to us? just because you played professional cs?
stop being such a hater and try to understand other people opinions, cause in months of seeing hltv.org i didnt see ONCE you change ur opinion, so thinnk about that
gl k1ck and overfuzion
2012-05-22 09:37:03
what i dont understand is you all want him to understand other peoples opinions, but none of you are trying to understand his opinions, maybe think before accusing someone of something or stand in there shoes before assuming they are being a hater or cocky.
All i see on these forums are people critisizing him for voicing his opinions, even though he has on countless times explained in valid reasoning why he voiced those opinions, which in truth are almosts always the truth and valid on the matters spoken about.
All i see on these forums are people critisizing him for voicing his opinions, even though he has on countless times explained in valid reasoning why he voiced those opinions, which in truth are almosts always the truth and valid on the matters spoken about.
2012-05-22 11:21:27
I DIDNT SAID that his opinion wasnt valid or somethin like that
i'm just saying his opinion doesnt worth more than the rest of the users and him as a professional player, idol of many as to be more careful with his words and dont insult who insulted him
in that point of insulting he is just being a kid and he knows it, he is in the cs "world" for many years and he knows if he insults someone the insults will never end, that's the cs world, unfortunately
i'm just saying his opinion doesnt worth more than the rest of the users and him as a professional player, idol of many as to be more careful with his words and dont insult who insulted him
in that point of insulting he is just being a kid and he knows it, he is in the cs "world" for many years and he knows if he insults someone the insults will never end, that's the cs world, unfortunately
2012-05-22 11:31:30
but you are doing exactly what you dont want him to do, so i still dont understand the point you are trying to make, telling someone not to do something you are doing to them wont solve this problem, you just contradicting yourself.
2012-05-22 11:50:00
contradicting my self? i didnt insulted no one, i just said what i was thinking and i just think he has to be less arrogant and less insulting.
if i insulted every people that insults me i would be damned...
if i insulted every people that insults me i would be damned...
2012-05-22 11:57:16
post #254 you wrote "why do you need to be so cocky?"
you are asking him why he is being cocky, which means you are implying that he is being cocky, which quite frankly is an insult.
so yes you did insult someone, and denying that you did is insulting your own intelligence.
oh and BTW calling someone arrogant is also an insult!
Post edited 2012-05-22 12:23:08
you are asking him why he is being cocky, which means you are implying that he is being cocky, which quite frankly is an insult.
so yes you did insult someone, and denying that you did is insulting your own intelligence.
oh and BTW calling someone arrogant is also an insult!
Post edited 2012-05-22 12:23:08
2012-05-22 12:21:12
insult? arrogant and cocky are insults? in what world you live man? LOOOOOOL
when you're giving ur opinion doesnt has to be an insult, i just made a statement and i said that he was being arrogant, that's not an insult, learn some "insults" tips
when you're giving ur opinion doesnt has to be an insult, i just made a statement and i said that he was being arrogant, that's not an insult, learn some "insults" tips
2012-05-22 12:55:47
so basically you are insulting my intelligence and my language now, sigh, you clearly dont know what an insult is, and you are still contradicting yourself, every time you post an counter argument with me you contradict yourself, you insist that you are not insulting anyone, but you dont seem to know what an insult means, because you keep insulting the person you claim to not be insulting...
"An insult (also called a slur, scoff, slight or putdown) is an expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which is considered degrading and offensive. Insults (sometimes called "cracks" "remarks" or one-liners)[1] may be intentional or accidental. An example of the latter is a well-intended simple explanation, which in fact is superfluous, but is given due to underestimating the intelligence or knowledge of the other."
Before saying "learn some insult tips", maybe you should learn what insult means!
Post edited 2012-05-22 13:09:05
"An insult (also called a slur, scoff, slight or putdown) is an expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which is considered degrading and offensive. Insults (sometimes called "cracks" "remarks" or one-liners)[1] may be intentional or accidental. An example of the latter is a well-intended simple explanation, which in fact is superfluous, but is given due to underestimating the intelligence or knowledge of the other."
Before saying "learn some insult tips", maybe you should learn what insult means!
Post edited 2012-05-22 13:09:05
2012-05-22 13:07:15
"so yes you did insult someone, and denying that you did is insulting your own intelligence"
you said this to me, SO DONT BULLSHIT me saying that i insulted your intelligence!
everyone has his positive and negative sides, just because he can be arrogant doesnt mean he is arrogant!
i called him arrogant and everyone who saw all of his replys think the same as me, so dont go to dictionarys or encyclopedias plz
you said this to me, SO DONT BULLSHIT me saying that i insulted your intelligence!
everyone has his positive and negative sides, just because he can be arrogant doesnt mean he is arrogant!
i called him arrogant and everyone who saw all of his replys think the same as me, so dont go to dictionarys or encyclopedias plz
2012-05-22 13:10:17
LoL,what the hell does that mean?
you make no sense what so ever, clearly you dont know what im talking about, or what insulting someone is, so i wont waste my time trying to teach you, go read up on it and maybe just maybe you will understand.
funny how a normal conversation turned out to be a flame fest on your part, just because you were too stuborn to listen and understand other peoples opinions, which is exactly where we started all of this, you probably still dont realise how you have contradicted yourself this whole time, shame...
Post edited 2012-05-22 16:08:57
you make no sense what so ever, clearly you dont know what im talking about, or what insulting someone is, so i wont waste my time trying to teach you, go read up on it and maybe just maybe you will understand.
funny how a normal conversation turned out to be a flame fest on your part, just because you were too stuborn to listen and understand other peoples opinions, which is exactly where we started all of this, you probably still dont realise how you have contradicted yourself this whole time, shame...
Post edited 2012-05-22 16:08:57
2012-05-22 16:08:25
wtfffff?
my intention never was to offend anyone or flame, or anything else!
i just said that lurpis could be less arrogant in certain subjets, i didnt said it was his fault, but he shouldn't reply in the same not pleasant way as some users
my intention never was to offend anyone or flame, or anything else!
i just said that lurpis could be less arrogant in certain subjets, i didnt said it was his fault, but he shouldn't reply in the same not pleasant way as some users
2012-05-22 16:50:57
you're just a fucking asshole. stop talking about this tournament, you only said shit. stfu
2012-05-22 11:10:07
remember this lurrpis? http://www.hltv.org/match/1858067-winfakt-intense-.. next time you play against us , you will get defeated!!!!
2012-05-22 14:17:33
i really don't remember, sorry
2012-05-22 16:55:32
I give you this to remember :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoiX1L9Wh_w&lis..
2012-05-22 17:42:58
*somuchdrama*
2012-05-22 05:53:55
lol
2012-05-22 08:56:16
Everyone whit different points of view..Cmon like coachi said it's the start of this new tournement, let them win experience and do another one better in the future :)
Greateffort by hldr and error !! PN PowER :)
GL to all teams *
Greateffort by hldr and error !! PN PowER :)
GL to all teams *
2012-05-22 10:03:23
If there aren't any good teams in this tournament, tell me what the hell is MSI sponsoring a team like K1ck. Weird.
Anyway, this will be covered by Fraglider, the leading eSports website in Portugal. They have covered other tournaments and done it quite professionally.
So, if HLTV.org doesn't want to cover the tournament, that's their choice. I am sure there will be quite a few good matches, with teams that usually don't participate in international events, because of the lack of support.
But, really, CS 1.6 isn't really dying, is it? I mean, ever weekend we have tournaments with a prize pool of $5,000, right? So that's cool. HLTV.org have their hands full, I guess.
Post edited 2012-05-22 10:27:58
Anyway, this will be covered by Fraglider, the leading eSports website in Portugal. They have covered other tournaments and done it quite professionally.
So, if HLTV.org doesn't want to cover the tournament, that's their choice. I am sure there will be quite a few good matches, with teams that usually don't participate in international events, because of the lack of support.
But, really, CS 1.6 isn't really dying, is it? I mean, ever weekend we have tournaments with a prize pool of $5,000, right? So that's cool. HLTV.org have their hands full, I guess.
Post edited 2012-05-22 10:27:58
2012-05-22 10:20:19
I think that nobody really know lurppis and try to attack him, because they are annoyed by his calmness and the objectivity he has. Indeed, as somebody wrote before, I do think the people here try to agress him because he is pro-player, and they try to exist through their comments and him. The fact is, it is very-average level event that hltv.org chosed not to cover, which is ok. Remember that hltv.org is a association and they made a lot for the community for years, I figure out that if CS is still alive they have a part in this miracle.
lurppis is a very nice person, (don't get my flag wrong, I'm french), at ESWC 2011, I've seen him and he was very nice to me, accessible, and cheery. We talked a bit, and as he said during the CS:GO clash with one of ESEA partner, I don't know lot a players that have done as much as he for the community.
Surely, he is someone very direct, but that's ok to me. While, a lot of pros say CS:GO is a pure jewel, he keeps saying that it is a shitty game.
I remember at ESWC 2011 where he was talking to his team-mates that the french organizers where fucking morons, that was so funny, 'coz it was true (among all teams that much compete that evening fnatic/Winfakt only 4 of them had their passes for being able to enter in the game field, so carn, friis, lurrpis and stuff were exchanging their passes to enter -_-').
lurppis is a very nice person, (don't get my flag wrong, I'm french), at ESWC 2011, I've seen him and he was very nice to me, accessible, and cheery. We talked a bit, and as he said during the CS:GO clash with one of ESEA partner, I don't know lot a players that have done as much as he for the community.
Surely, he is someone very direct, but that's ok to me. While, a lot of pros say CS:GO is a pure jewel, he keeps saying that it is a shitty game.
I remember at ESWC 2011 where he was talking to his team-mates that the french organizers where fucking morons, that was so funny, 'coz it was true (among all teams that much compete that evening fnatic/Winfakt only 4 of them had their passes for being able to enter in the game field, so carn, friis, lurrpis and stuff were exchanging their passes to enter -_-').
2012-05-22 10:36:47
i understand you and i kinda support what u're saying but lurrpis has to be more careful with what he says, cause as you said he influences the players opinion and sometimes he is too harder on criticism, i just think he should pick more wisely his words and try not to injury/insult who injured/insulted him
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Post edited 2012-05-22 10:48:47
2012-05-22 10:48:11
You with Portuguese flag are retarded.
2012-05-22 10:49:26
are u fkin kidding me macedonia boy?
we are just giving our opinion, so you're retarded too cause u gave urs lolol
we are just giving our opinion, so you're retarded too cause u gave urs lolol
2012-05-22 10:54:57
Come on portuguese people, you have mourinho as a well known example of someone as direct and objective as it can get, yet you fail to understand lurppis statement. All he did was state facts objectively. Even your nation pride k1ck's captain coachi did a pretty direct and objective analysis of what lurppis said, yet ur atacking him like mad dogs
2012-05-22 11:39:24
FUCK this would of been a good read a few hours ago... need email updates something like
"When a thread has 100replies in under 3hrs, send me an email"
damn good reading :)
----
PS the format is not standard, however that does not make it incorrect or wrong. In fact if you learnt anything from Lurppi's article you will realise there is no "standard" format. This in itself a problem that Fraglider do not need to solve.
After taking some time to let it process, you will also realise the format shouldn't affect any of the top teams at all. And they will enter the 16 bracket like usual.
Post edited 2012-05-22 11:46:48
"When a thread has 100replies in under 3hrs, send me an email"
damn good reading :)
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PS the format is not standard, however that does not make it incorrect or wrong. In fact if you learnt anything from Lurppi's article you will realise there is no "standard" format. This in itself a problem that Fraglider do not need to solve.
After taking some time to let it process, you will also realise the format shouldn't affect any of the top teams at all. And they will enter the 16 bracket like usual.
Post edited 2012-05-22 11:46:48
2012-05-22 11:46:08
you're right, there isn't a "standard" format, so there isn't a wrong or right format.
it's normal to show or opinions but in a wise mode, criticism in a good way just bring new ideas and improved work
people must realize that every tournaments can have his own format, brackets, etc..
it's normal to show or opinions but in a wise mode, criticism in a good way just bring new ideas and improved work
people must realize that every tournaments can have his own format, brackets, etc..
2012-05-22 11:59:54
Lurppis you're such a drama queen, oh god :))
2012-05-22 13:17:41
who runs this joint nowadays? back in the day hltv used to provide actual hltvs to watch the matches instead of randoms with no idea of whats happening streaming matches... the level of iq on some collaborators also seems to have dropped to the point where you get to answer as if you were king towards the fanboys just because your nick is 'bold' :s
2012-05-22 13:40:00
sx: felippe, MKR, mch, LuL4, atx
mch mkr and lul4 sick players
-felippe -atx +kNg +urb top1
mch mkr and lul4 sick players
-felippe -atx +kNg +urb top1
2012-05-22 15:19:15
tbh it is a very uninteresting tournament, though this kind of format is good since it gives a chance for weaker teams to play, but it makes watching it very boring and time wasting.
2012-05-22 17:28:16
Lurppis with yours comments and mouths what you say if you come to Portugal u are a dead man, so i say it
2012-05-22 18:05:20
Lurppis speaks of your country that has no lans, and then speaks of other GL
2012-05-22 18:08:39
finland has a ton of big tournaments for starcraft2 for example that have had up to $40k prize pots, cs 1.6 just isn't big enough to host tournaments here. still, back in 2008 we won 5,000€ from a finnish tournament with roccat, so finland itself has a very strong esports community, cs 1.6 is just smaller than cs:source (which has 2-3 tournaments a year with 2-3k€ for first place) here.
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2012-05-22 19:53:27
gl lurppis! and gl xfunctionfraglidercup!
2012-05-22 18:42:58
"catastrophical tournament format" imo, it's not the best way to start arguing about anything, anyways, only people from Portugal wants you to be a little more respectful when talking about their own event, I know that is kind of fun watch this kind of format after reading your helpful improving tourney format, but I really think that you don't have to waste your mind answering any single statement from them because they are just trying to piss you off and it seems to be extremly effective! so, don't be rude :p, leave that to noMad.
2012-05-22 20:18:53
i have never been angry, annoyed or pissed off over people's comments on any community site, i just answer out of habit and it's fun to see what kind of answers i can get back sometimes.
the best teams will advance regardless so tot them it won't matter, but once the 3rd place teams get knocked out due to round difference and the weird format where group F has 3 teams advance, they will share my opinion.
the best teams will advance regardless so tot them it won't matter, but once the 3rd place teams get knocked out due to round difference and the weird format where group F has 3 teams advance, they will share my opinion.
2012-05-22 20:23:35
Now you like "ohh God!! what have i done. just want to roll back my comments "
Btw, have you ever consider joining politics? will suit you :D
Btw, have you ever consider joining politics? will suit you :D
2012-07-21 09:11:38
actually politics are the exact opposite of what would suit me, it's a popularity contest based on lying
2012-07-21 12:17:03
JK...have always admired your logic n reasoning behind the thing you write or speak(except last time when you were angry with Portuguese people). just don't do it explicitly, i mean, after all you guys are moderators and you have to deal with such community in sensible way
2012-08-12 17:47:46
Hey people, camon...we are on www., unfortunately there is no ethical on internet.
2012-05-22 21:05:31
Tomi, try to write "some of portuguese people", instead of "portuguese people" make a drama, are ugly, bla bla bla...
2012-05-22 21:07:58
u guys rage only because lurppis said the this tournament has "catastrophical tournament format" and because he said there are not good enough teams to do full coverage.
he is not offending anybody just saying his opinion. where is he disrespectful?
he is not offending anybody just saying his opinion. where is he disrespectful?
2012-05-22 21:12:58
The disrespect starts when a people say something stupid as administrator.
If a jornalist starts making a value judgment over the news, hes criticized for it (and well), so...if you are a competent administrator of an entity (in this case, hltv.org) you have to be responsible for the coments you do throught these entity and be impartial and correct as possible.
If a jornalist starts making a value judgment over the news, hes criticized for it (and well), so...if you are a competent administrator of an entity (in this case, hltv.org) you have to be responsible for the coments you do throught these entity and be impartial and correct as possible.
2012-05-22 22:12:37
he can share his opinion even if he's admin i think.
"The disrespect starts when a people say something stupid as administrator."
well, where did he say something stupid? propose a new tournament format is something stupid or offending? wtf
Post edited 2012-05-22 22:36:16
"The disrespect starts when a people say something stupid as administrator."
well, where did he say something stupid? propose a new tournament format is something stupid or offending? wtf
Post edited 2012-05-22 22:36:16
2012-05-22 22:36:02
"catastrophical tournament format, i wonder who came up with the whole some teams advance based on round difference and more teams advance from one group (which coincidentally has the best local team) than the others?"
One thing is a bad tournament format, another (too diferent) is a catastrophical tournament format, which is a bad judgment by lurppis.
One thing is a bad tournament format, another (too diferent) is a catastrophical tournament format, which is a bad judgment by lurppis.
2012-05-22 23:45:51
I think lurppis can have his opinion like any guy, just because he his an admin of hltv doesn't mean that he can't comment the news with his opinion.
But, he can show his opinion without showing some disrespect for Portugal, and Portugal's tournments, so i think lurppis only should be more polite with his opinion..
In the end, this discussion is useless cause the tournment as this groups format and that will not change, only by decision of the org of the tournment =)
GL ALL players
But, he can show his opinion without showing some disrespect for Portugal, and Portugal's tournments, so i think lurppis only should be more polite with his opinion..
In the end, this discussion is useless cause the tournment as this groups format and that will not change, only by decision of the org of the tournment =)
GL ALL players
2012-05-22 22:42:50
That's what he and others don't get.
One thing is to say "look, we don't think it's worth spending the time and effort we don't actually have on this tournament, sorry.", other is "fuck you, this tournament sucks, i think the format is catastrophical (lol) and fuck you, if you don't agree with me you're retarded."
One thing is to say "look, we don't think it's worth spending the time and effort we don't actually have on this tournament, sorry.", other is "fuck you, this tournament sucks, i think the format is catastrophical (lol) and fuck you, if you don't agree with me you're retarded."
2012-05-22 23:09:22
And I think that I had nothing to do in this night, but these comments...... mmmmmms <3____<3
2012-05-23 00:23:58
lurppis each event is what you want to spend how many teams will, play the teams you like, Portugal has evolved a lot in tournaments do not know that cs commandest mouths about the tournament, will be a great tournament but there is always someone we used to bring down , gl in your future.
2012-05-23 02:40:38
i lol hard when read comments so dumb with portuguese flag, make me feels shame on my country, but in HLTV most of portuguese are kids. so they don't know what they talk about. lurppis is right, its a good tournament ofc, but only for portugal, no big teams from europe. only good/ok teams. i understand lurppis and hltv decision don't understand the RAGE with people when listen the truth. :c
GL k1ck and coachi :D and SHOUW will play with Phantoms, keznit no attend the event. gl fraglider too organized this nice event and really important for cs in portugal. gj error.
PS: sry for bad english now can flame me because of my english!!
GL k1ck and coachi :D and SHOUW will play with Phantoms, keznit no attend the event. gl fraglider too organized this nice event and really important for cs in portugal. gj error.
PS: sry for bad english now can flame me because of my english!!
2012-05-23 03:25:29
"PS: sry for bad english now can flame me because of my english!!"
LOL, i think you should think before calling someone "kid".
Besides some stupid portuguese coment (not all) try to understand the fact. Most of portugueses are not against Lurppis opinion, but against the way he criticized and breadth of what he wrote, which is not true at all.
LOL, i think you should think before calling someone "kid".
Besides some stupid portuguese coment (not all) try to understand the fact. Most of portugueses are not against Lurppis opinion, but against the way he criticized and breadth of what he wrote, which is not true at all.
2012-05-23 10:27:59
LOL mad ppl ITT!!!
Good for the Portuguese community:-)
Good for the Portuguese community:-)
2012-05-23 07:28:30
most entertaining post so far. laughed pretty hard xD
2012-05-23 09:32:02
This is not the hltv function? entertaining?
2012-05-23 10:29:20
you are totally right! :)
2012-05-23 11:43:52
So low teams
2012-05-23 13:02:46
l0l so low intelligence
2012-05-25 01:39:34
lurppis iam not against your opinion, i respect it. I'll try to explain why is this format. As you probably know, live in portugal isnt that simples. You have never had to pay a tournament for yourself but we dont have many sponsors here so everythink that involves money we have to pay. Many pessoal here in portugal earn 485€/month. This tournament custs 100€ + trips and hotel cost (for some teams). 20€ for players + 40€ (for trip) + 30€ for 1 night at hotel. Most of counter strike players are kids that dont ear money. They have to ask for it. Would you ask your father and mother 90€ + money for food (120€ total) just to go there and play 2 maps ? Knowing that they only ear 485€/month, you were asking them for 1/4 of there salary just to play 2 maps. Is that look fair to you? The organizacion here gives the oportunity for those guys play a little bit more. Is that so hard to understand? As i said i respect your opinion but this is the truth in our contry sadly.
2012-05-23 18:01:45
many pessoal ehehe
2012-05-23 18:12:55
you made my day :), after so many replies I wish that lurppis understand us, and that next time he might inform himself before say what he said.
PEACE!
PEACE!
2012-05-23 21:14:18
And you know lurppis, we live in South Europe and like you should know we are forgotten so many times in so many things that is usual to we don't care. But you have lucky to live in a Advanced country that cares whit those people and makes your life better.
We are just trying to have one simple moment of happiness (playing counter strike), and I agree with pSycgicpt, we are students that doesn't have so money like you.
So let us to have fun one time in our life... Its nice that you posted things were that means that we are not invisible , but be cool man.
sincerely.
We are just trying to have one simple moment of happiness (playing counter strike), and I agree with pSycgicpt, we are students that doesn't have so money like you.
So let us to have fun one time in our life... Its nice that you posted things were that means that we are not invisible , but be cool man.
sincerely.
2012-05-24 09:49:30
All he said was that the format is horrible (which it is), and they won't do a full coverage (meaning no one is going to portugal), but they will still post the hltv for the hot matches.
2012-05-24 11:57:45
I read all probably like you.
And I know that he said that the format sucks but if you don't mid psy: "The organizacion here gives the oportunity for those guys play a little bit more."
My question is, there are anything wrong with that?
If you saw CB Nations, the tournament was very similar...
I don't see any problem with this, but I'm portuguese, so my opinion probably doesn't count...
About the coverage, I'm not against what lurppis said, but I wanna see some action.
So I think that if the pass hot matches (OK probably in Europe this is not considerate hot match, but teams like K1ck, Phantoms, x6, NG, zN... what ever deserve spectators)
Anyway I don't wanna lose my time with this, thanks to HLTV if gonna show some matches, will be interesting.
Post edited 2012-05-24 20:26:35
And I know that he said that the format sucks but if you don't mid psy: "The organizacion here gives the oportunity for those guys play a little bit more."
My question is, there are anything wrong with that?
If you saw CB Nations, the tournament was very similar...
I don't see any problem with this, but I'm portuguese, so my opinion probably doesn't count...
About the coverage, I'm not against what lurppis said, but I wanna see some action.
So I think that if the pass hot matches (OK probably in Europe this is not considerate hot match, but teams like K1ck, Phantoms, x6, NG, zN... what ever deserve spectators)
Anyway I don't wanna lose my time with this, thanks to HLTV if gonna show some matches, will be interesting.
Post edited 2012-05-24 20:26:35
2012-05-24 20:21:03
they WILL show matches. it is gonna be the same coverage as most LANS where they aren't on site because none of hltv admins are going to portugal.
I think the format is bad, but I can also see the point in it, as you stated yourself, but I am still not a fan of it.
I think the format is bad, but I can also see the point in it, as you stated yourself, but I am still not a fan of it.
2012-05-25 11:38:18
lurpiss
FOOT + BALL ---> u use ur feet
what u call football basically you use ur hands.
more like ...i dunno... HANDFOOTBALL?
u(americans) cant be right all the time. u created it cause u sucked at it. and u need to be diferent and create another sport which btw is retarded as we(rest of the world but states, and maybe australia) all know
ps: on basketball ur the best. no doubt. but dont come with the "its soccer" cause its not.
FOOT + BALL ---> u use ur feet
what u call football basically you use ur hands.
more like ...i dunno... HANDFOOTBALL?
u(americans) cant be right all the time. u created it cause u sucked at it. and u need to be diferent and create another sport which btw is retarded as we(rest of the world but states, and maybe australia) all know
ps: on basketball ur the best. no doubt. but dont come with the "its soccer" cause its not.
2012-05-24 22:52:43
How people can hate lurppis? 4REAL PORTUGAL?!
HATERS GONNA BE CRAZY NOW
Post edited 2012-05-24 22:53:08
HATERS GONNA BE CRAZY NOW
Post edited 2012-05-24 22:53:08
2012-05-24 22:52:44
who are u to judge this type of format. its done and ppl here want to play more than 2 maps. just cause u maybe never had to pay for a tournament, in PT 90% of the teams do. ppl go for fun and for some competition adrenalin. they know they wont win. cs is not a job for them like it was for u.
now stop annoying ppl with ur opinions we all got it. havent seen u elsewhere saying so much crap per paragraph
now stop annoying ppl with ur opinions we all got it. havent seen u elsewhere saying so much crap per paragraph
2012-05-24 23:01:28
how in the hell does my readings about random tournament having place in Portugal end up me to see lurppis' and others arguing about football-soccer, and after that everyone from portugal to hate lurppis and a one person even willing to kill him. i'd say that you lurppis, my sir, have completed your job. now i can go to bed peacefully and sleep well. good night :3
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2012-05-25 01:34:47
This tournament is organized by some of the nicest people I've ever met in a lot of years being around. Hoshi, Alvaro & ERRZyx, the best of luck with your tournament and I hope to be able to participe in the next one! :) gl to the spanish teams
2012-05-25 01:59:01
Read all of the comments now. This is fun. Keep em coming =D brb popcorn
2012-05-25 03:14:55
On-Topic: NOSENSE folded from the tournament, BLENDED is now in Group D along with us, eQuilibrium and IMBA.
2012-05-25 14:30:07
I ussualy respect lurppis, but please, lurpiss cs is dead for u, what about quit of cs and cs websites?
Or please just think in suicide
Or please just think in suicide
2012-05-25 15:12:23
I don't remember when I did the registration on this site, but I purposely login to say a few words.
as I said, I do not remember the date of registration, but I remember this site ask for sponsers to survive on certain time or the site would close.
Reflection 1 for all: don't forget where we came from!
It's we, the simple users that make this site go on!!! you can cover big events with big teams, BUT with out us (the smallers) you will not survive!
the decision to not cover small events (in portugal or in any country) are decisions that the website owners have taken, but that future will tell if they were correct or not...
reflection/question 2: it's better to have this site without any cover of big tournaments instead covering a smaller tournament on any country?
for you lurppis, if you do not have the capacity to realize that when you're a leader or a follower of opinions, someone who is responsible for you on this site please tell you, enlighten you, for your temper on comments! You can't tell anythink you want just because it's the truth or it make senses to you! you just cant and this is not justifiable nor insurmountable! it is a fact and as much as you argument (it seems you like allot) simply you can not justify...
to finish, the format of this tournament is the way they want... if they want to make all teams to move on the second stage, they should! it's their torunament, their rules and just do your job: publish the news!
as I said, I do not remember the date of registration, but I remember this site ask for sponsers to survive on certain time or the site would close.
Reflection 1 for all: don't forget where we came from!
It's we, the simple users that make this site go on!!! you can cover big events with big teams, BUT with out us (the smallers) you will not survive!
the decision to not cover small events (in portugal or in any country) are decisions that the website owners have taken, but that future will tell if they were correct or not...
reflection/question 2: it's better to have this site without any cover of big tournaments instead covering a smaller tournament on any country?
for you lurppis, if you do not have the capacity to realize that when you're a leader or a follower of opinions, someone who is responsible for you on this site please tell you, enlighten you, for your temper on comments! You can't tell anythink you want just because it's the truth or it make senses to you! you just cant and this is not justifiable nor insurmountable! it is a fact and as much as you argument (it seems you like allot) simply you can not justify...
to finish, the format of this tournament is the way they want... if they want to make all teams to move on the second stage, they should! it's their torunament, their rules and just do your job: publish the news!
2012-05-25 16:30:05
Not that I really care about the football thingy, but h34dsh0t gets a point here.
No offense lurppis, you were ( you may still remain ) a great player in my eyes as well as it seems that you always get troubles when it comes to keep your mouth shut.
You are clever, we know that. Now I think you're wasting your time trying to make everyone think the same way as you do. You'll surely earn respect if you can avoid such issues.
As I said, no offense! You were my heroe back in times :-)
No offense lurppis, you were ( you may still remain ) a great player in my eyes as well as it seems that you always get troubles when it comes to keep your mouth shut.
You are clever, we know that. Now I think you're wasting your time trying to make everyone think the same way as you do. You'll surely earn respect if you can avoid such issues.
As I said, no offense! You were my heroe back in times :-)
2012-05-25 19:02:07
where is couvrage hltv ? The evente start or not ??
2012-05-25 16:37:33
http://fraglider.pt/
2012-05-25 16:42:13
Hltv ips? in that streaming we cant watch the matches.
GO X6TENCE!
GO X6TENCE!
2012-05-26 12:40:44
any ip
2012-05-25 19:26:29
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