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Valve has announced a release date for Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. The anticipated game is targeted for a release on August 21 at a price point of $15.
Valve made the announcement just in time for E3 which is an annual video game conference short for Electronic Entertainment Expo held in Los Angeles. One of the many companies announcing big news at this year's event is Valve.
The game is expected to be released on August 21, in time for IEM Season VII, with a cost of $15 across all platforms. Intel Extreme Masters has often made their announcements in August, so Valve's release date would allow IEM to use CS:GO already in the upcoming season.
CS:GO has split the opinions of fans in half with seemingly most with a Counter-Strike: Source background anxiously waiting for the new game while the Counter-Strike 1.6 fan base hasn't for the most part enjoyed Hidden Path's new game.
While a few top players such as Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund have said they don't mind the game, the overwhelming majority including the likes of Natus Vincere and ESC Gaming have said they are not interested in Valve's new title and would rather play League of Legends or DotA 2 competitively.
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But since you are a 1.6 fan you probably never play anything else.
100% sure u never shot with a real gun!
Maybe its normal for Brazilians to shoot real guns, but from my way of seeing things, guns are to be used by people trained to do so, so why should i shoot a gun when im just an 18 years old person who has no training in shooting guns ?
Anyways, by simulator I mean that the game is realistic, wind, distance etc are important factors when shooting, those kinda things make for a simulator.
There are flight simulators like Flight Simulator, and you are not piloting a real plane, still, it makes for a realistic experience.
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I took some shots in a gun club, that police controls. Its 100% safe, and its really fun to do it. Any problem with that?
I never said I had any problem with Brazil, and since I have never been there thats why I said it may be a normal thing there, its normal in the US for people to fire guns at places specifically designed for it.
So cut me some slack.
But, im not mexican, Im from Spain and I live in Mexico.
By the way, I visited Costa Rica, it is a beatiful country :).
CS:GO is for CSS, what CS:CZ was for 1.6, just few things has been changed but the basics are the same.
1.6 its a terminal cancer game.
GO is FPS future competitive game, even if GO at the beggining probably will be terrible to play, if u like FPS competitive u should focus on help it development and the game will get better to play faster.
If u play CS since 1.3 we can understand that GO can be way better then 1.6. Better game, better competitive cene, more money and people involved!
of course there will be teams who frequent the tourneys, i just hope the 1.6 community doesn't give in after talkin' a years worth of shit about how they won't.
money is a sad thing.
Hope my beta key works till then.
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Either way I don't think the 1.6 competitive scene will survive for long after GO is released.
First of all there's a major difference between a 5 year old game and a 13 year old game.
The quality of rivalling games now are much higher than in 2004.
We see a steady decline in prize money, tournaments are dropping cs 1.6 in favor of more popular games, major organizations like mousesports and EG have shut down their cs divisions.
It won't be long before the pro's no longer can afford living off cs and the professional scene will plummit.
You guys are like religious people, you refuse to accept facts even though all evidence point towards it
I'll make it very simple so you'll understand.
2004 is a year.
2012 is another year.
There are 8 years in between.
If something is true in 2004, doesn't mean it's the same in 2012, because things change.
Once again: If something is true in 2004, doesn't mean it's the same in 2012, because things change.
Because after CS:GO's release, we can expect some news for CS2!
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"Whereas Counter-Strike 2, at least internally, we think about as something different."
Also a valve employee told that cs2 will be out before hl3.
If they make a new CS after GO you guys are still gonna be disappointed with it. If they wanted to make a new CS just like 1.6 but with better graphics they would have done it with GO. They didn't make the game deliberately to piss off the 1.6 community.
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Even if they did do that CS:2 will be as far from 1.6 is CS:GO is.
furthermore, i have no idea why anyone thinks this magical cs2 would be any more like cs 1.6 than cs:go - they already clearly decided what cs should be like in their minds.
cs2 won't be out in +5 years (probably even more) and it won't most likely be any closer to cs 1.6 than cs:go.
because by then cs:go WILL be the most popular game, and it makes sense to cater to the cs:go players, not to players of a game that was popular +5 years ago and whose players probably aren't around anymore.
sorry to burst your bubble, i still hope 1.6 could stay around somehow but it doesn't seem likely right now.
It looks CS1.6's graphics are great for you.
"That's what Counter-Strike is: a game of skill. And this is what CS:GO is: an effort to put anyone who has or should play Counter-Strike into the same game. That's a big enough goal but not a grand enough one to merit the name Counter-Strike 2."
And yes, they clearly decidede what cs should be like.
if you believe everything a company like valve says in media then, well, i have nothing else to say. even with cs:go they went from talking to players and making it a great game everyone likes to promising cs2 would be like what you want.
2004-03-23: counter-strike: condition zero
2004-08-11: counter-strike: source
2012-08-21: counter-strike: global offensive
condition zero was made because of its single player mode for counter-strike (deleted scenes after they changed the studio), it was just to milk out the counter-strike name for more profit. if you have played the game, you will know that it's actually an exact copy of cs 1.6 except nades do not do damage through walls and they have new weapon and player models and sounds.
cs:source is a completely new game which was released right after because it was already planned from years ago - condition zero was someone else's project, not valves, but they greenlighted it because the counter-strike name alone will bring in tons of profit.
after that, as you can see, there was an eight year break even though cs:source was widely considered a flop and most people didn't like it, showing valve just wanted to milk that game for a longer time while trying to improve it.
and once again, like i mentioned before: why would they make a bad game now, then make a cs 1.6 copy 3 years from now to please the players that are no longer around? it's only downhill from here my friend, they're only focused on dota2 now.
It's obvious that Valve didn't work so hard for CS:GO. And it's clear that there will be a CS2.
Also it's like that you're working for Valve. You can't know what things they are focused
you think valve spending $30-40k on just flying people to their offices and having 10 months of open beta isn't working hard?
you got to be kidding.
there will be a cs2 because it will bring in more money and that is what companies strive for (profit) but it won't be any closer to cs 1.6 than cs:go is, and it won't come out within 5 years.
Ok God. i know you know everything.
Look DotA 2. 50,601 players are playing it right now. Look CS:GO, at least one hundred beta keys has given but still has 1k player.
Post edited 2012-06-05 21:35:50
they will make their money from mass markets, not from esports - everyone will buy the game at $15 = profit.
of course if they were a little smarter they would make it a good game and overtime more people would buy it, but i'm sure their market research indicates that battlefield/call of duty -type games make the most money right now :)
Post edited 2012-06-04 19:54:27
but I'm not sure, that I want it!
Bad thing about cs:go - the game itself
wrooooong at least for ESC Gaming players
$50 for CS 2? easy.
Do not want
Pistols(especially my beloved usp) feels horribleeee
M4 is shit, famas is much better
overall game is shit
when gonna make Halflife 3?? thats its a nice game.
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the things that I dont like on this game is the buying menu, its just messy and annoying. and colt should always be on B 4 3. and _NOTHING_ else. And I also miss the "o" buy-option, for equipment and nade etc.
and I dont like how the maps are, places that you can see through, like under the trains on de_train, the wheels are circles, and this can be so good/OP if you know how to use it. you can just scope right below the train right where the wheel starts. and on de_nuke like that truck on the upper floor, its so easy to hide. and so hard for the "rusher" to spot you, it will be impossible. its too much source rather than 1.6.
and on de_train under the trains, like in 1.6 you could see everywhere from under a train. now, you bearly can see under 1 train.
well yeah, its a good game. but things like this has to be fixed (IMO), to get it competitive.
and also in darker places there is no snowballs chance in hell to see if its a teammate or not:s:
it is like darkgreen-ish T's, and darkblue-ish CT's.
Post edited 2012-06-04 20:51:25
DECOY awhh.... agrrr :D molotov/i horrible idea, u can buy only one flashbang :O smoke is prety good nade, HE is totally SHIT i had vesthelm on cat in Nuke i eat he nade from enemy and i lost 80+dmg WTF ?
but still i'm gonna buy,15$ is pretty affordable
Post edited 2012-06-04 20:52:38
The game is not bad. Stop saying the game is shit when you haven't even played it. If you suck at it, it is because you suck at games. I have tons of friends who only play 1.6 and can't get a kill to save their lives in any other first person shooter. Why is it so hard to adapt to a new game? It seems like the whole CS community is full of ignorant morons with no intelligence. It seems that the "pros" are only good because they play cs over and over again and don't actually use their brains. Any FPS game I have ever picked up, I have adapted to it and did not complain. Have fun playing cs 1.6 and holding onto a game that is doing more harm for the community than good. CS 1.6 WILL NEVER ALLOW THE CS FRANCHISE TO GROW PAST ITS PEAK. Remember in 2005 when Jason "coL.1" Lake said that by 2010, cs 1.6 would have its first $1 million player contract? Get_Right, #2 cs player in the world from #1 organization (SK) gets paid less per month than a person who works 30 hours per week at McDonalds! Neo, #1 player in the world, and his teammates have to find a new organization every few months that barley even cover travel expenses. CS 1.6 will never allow professional gamers the experience of of being a true professional gamer. The game is past its prime, only CS:Go can save us. Stop hating and be comfortable with the truth.
My final point is that humans are unable to comprehend sunk costs. A sunk cost is an expense that has been incurred is not refundable. All of the cs 1.6 community has put in so many hours into counter-strike that they do not realize it is a failed investment. Instead of moving on to other games, you guys believe that putting in more time will 1) make you better, 2) make the game better, 3) make the competitive scene better, or 4) make sponsors pay attention to the community. Stop being delusional. Embrace the future or get left behind! Sorry guys, this is just the way life is.
I've played the game for a bit longer than you, and I still do. Not as much as when I was younger, but that's because I have a job and a rather busy life, so gaming in general has become less of a factor in my everyday life. I've quit CS like 4 times during that time span, but after a bit of time off, it's always felt fresh as ever.
I've also always looked forward to the "new versions", like CS:S and ProMod, and of course CS:GO too. But they just haven't been as good, simply put. I'd be the first one to move on IF someone could come up with an actually good alternative, but it seems people are more interested in catering to the casual market, namely the CoD kiddies. Of course they are, that's where the money is.
1.6 is still fun though, and not because I'm afraid to move on, or because my year old ~1,5k€ gaming PC can't run other games. I play 1.6 for it's own sake, and for no other reason.
They ask the pub nubs on theirs forums for ideas,thats why you got stupid shit like molotov (LOL), also the same shit happend when these pub nubs were whining about the awp and valve decided to put a delay on the scope, I remember that day half the people I knew quit the game.
So instead of sticking to what works they change everything?
my point is, why fuck up the physics and game play of cs1.6 when it's perfect already. all valve needs to do is just fix some bugs, improve the net code, and just update the graphics for all the dumb ass kids out there who want something so "realistic" life to satisfy their psycho nature since they never leave their room.
Why would 1.6 players give a flying f#ck about the success of the CS franchise and/or Valve's financial well being for that matter ?
1.6 players are not brand blind. They are being faithful to a game, to game mechanics, to a style, to the way things feel when they play, and most importantly, to WHAT THEY LIKE ! Why the hell would they move on to something they don't like.
As far as I'm concerned, Valve could be agonizing in the putrid remains of their commercial failures, I wouldn't budge a finger, and I think a lot of people wouldn't either. And it won't happen, because their games appeal to a certain type a people, just not to competitive 1.6 players. Look what happened after the CGS demise, most of the players that made the jump from 1.6 to CSS went back to it or quit playing altogether. Why? Because 1) they liked it better, 2) they understood something that you clearly don't :
THERE WILL NOT BE A SUBSTANTIAL, GLOBAL, PROFESSIONAL GAMING SCENE.
"Professional" gaming is a niche and will be for the foreseeable future.
There are just too many platforms, games, brands, game developers, games publishers, unfair commercial strategies (hello CS clones..), all of them trying to milk gamers worldwide for their money. They are just not enough of us serious gamers for something meaningful to emerge. The good'ol times when PC was king are over, and I don't think cross-platform is gonna change much.
So, for you to think that CS:GO is the next big savior ? That's just ludicrous !
And the only thing we need to do is throw out a game we love and play one that we might not ? COME ON ! Wake up Neo, you're in the real world now !
You want to be a "pro" and willing to do whatever it takes ? Then prepare to jump games as often as you take a dump !
Sorry, not for me. But then again, I don't want to be a pro. So good luck.
And it's funny you should bring J. Lake's "all mighty" prediction back because, well, where is he now ? Apparently not into gaming no more.. :(
Ooh yes! There he is! He is into green techs now, where there is a hell lot more money to make, a lot more faster. That sounds about right. Well, good for him. I would have probably done the same thing (and will actually do it).
And there is something he failed to take into account too when he said this, for good reasons at least : there have been a freaking global financial crisis in the way of big bucks for gamers everywhere.
So, to blame 1.6 players for the lack of money into gaming is a biiiiiit faaaaaaaar feeeetched :)
And finally I'm gonna address your "sunk costs" comment.
You were talking about you didn't you ?
You kinda feel like those 12 years of gaming were just a waste of perfectly good time of epic proportion ? Well, jump on board matey, there's plenty of us in here. We just think that a least it was fun and there is something to be learned from it.
Just don't blame other people for doing what they love when clearly the problem is : we took our BIG DREAMS for granted. There is just as much place for "professional" gaming as there is for "professional" curling. NONE. Whatsoever.
Anyway, I hope CS:GO actually is a good game, because at 15$ (well 15€, Valve sucks at conversions... or not), I appreciate the gesture and I will buy it.
PS: no offense intended of course, you seem like a good guy but you really pissed me off.
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And couple of stuff token from Call Of Duty is it has Tazer gun, it's like Call Of Duty knife. It has tons of range and it oneshots to leg.
Also I found myself rushing and spraying only when playing this game. It looks exactly like Call Of Duty (with CS:S maps and shitty Source-engine movement) so I automatically just spray and run same time. Luckily I still did fine and went 10/0 almost every game.
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For how long are you going to cover a game that your readers don't like ?
How do you personnally see the future for hltv.org in the next 4 years ?
hltv.org will continue to be the biggest site out there as it has been for years, i'm sure.
Don't reply that csgo won't be the biggest, it's not the point here.
And you didn't tell me/us what you think about the game at the moment.
i haven't played the game in a few months but from what i hear it hasn't gotten much better. personally i don't like it, but i don't see a problem in casting it or writing about it if it interests me once it's out - we will see.
Because you didn't do anything to be at least constructive about the game, you personnally, but also hltv.org with the readers. For the vast majority, they hate the game, and you(all) have a part of responsability about that : by not understanding what a beta is and imply, by simply giving the feeling that no matter how decent the game could be, you want it dead anyway because you are too narrow-minded and want 1.6 to live forever.
On the other side, you seem so fucking ready to change sides.. At the end of the day you'll simply follow the money but it's too late for you, you are not alone anymore.
the only people responsible for fans hating cs:go are the developers at hidden path who refuse to make the necessary changes for people with a cs 1.6 background to enjoy the game.
i'd rather have cs:go die and have a superior game (cs 1.6, cs promod) live forever, but i'm also a realist and i know that won't happen (well, cs 1.6 won't, there's still something going on with cs promod that could change things a little).
i think you're overreacting a little bit - i still do, and always will, prefer cs 1.6 over cs:go. if enough top players move on and i enjoy watching cs:go, i will continue to write about it and possibly cast events - simple as that.
People who write for hltv.org or otherwise visit this site are not responsible for anything that happens with CS. Whatever people choose to think/write is subjective.
We (using the term loosely) understand what "beta" is. Better than you and Valve at least, since you seem to think that anything goes as long as it's "beta". A car without brakes, engine or chassis would probably be a "beta" for you.
it's an awesome music for my ears *___*
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Would be a massive mistake if they fail on that!
I'm talking about motivation, fun of doing frags and so on
Post edited 2012-06-04 23:17:55
Valve dropped the idea of putting gamers from different platforms playing together against each other in a same server (what they called as "crossplay" if I'm not mistaken)
I've found myself watching this for like an hour:
and I'M cs:go hater...
Post edited 2012-06-05 09:54:06
Now i can fucking play this game ^_^
price is also not high :D i thought it'll be 25-30$ :))
Ty valve :*
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From the other hand,I have friend who plays competitive dota 5+ years and he says that Dota2 is classic example how new extension of competitive game can be done.90% of all old dota players like new game,which isnt a case with CS:GO and old CS players. Dota2 is currently #1 in steam stats and its still in beta,can you image what will happen when it comes out and it will be free... CS:GO has about 1k players daily,and not all of them will purchase it when it comes out.
Post edited 2012-06-05 10:51:21
After having been slightly positive about it all, this news made me feel quite a bit worried. Once again it seems as if Valve has not idea what has to be done to the game...
its only for fun. I think Valve doesnt gives a shit about competitive gaming, because they only need money from this game. Most ppl here want to buy a key to test it out, i think it would be enough for Valve :D
At this point CS:GO is the only valid hope the FPS genre as a whole has to stay on the limelight against SC2 or LoL for example. Corporations that makes esports possible look for marketing possibilities and unfortunately an old game does not seem like an interesting investment - which is what putting money into esports end of the day is. Give the game a chance and stop being overly religious about 1.6 - even as it's the greatest and most passionately followed FPS-game to date.
If you wish to see 5on5 fps-action in the future at major events and people being professionals - be constructive in your critisism and opinions.
The game has evolved in huge leaps since the first beta came out last year. At this point I actually find it fun and basic fundamentals are more towards CS than what they were initially. Of course theres plenty of issues to be addressed, meaningless to say - but it's not a lost cause.
Since all game makers seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that a competitive fps-game is a huge gold mine, there is no real reason to rush things. Valve should take their time and not release the game until it is actually what the audience wants.
I don't even get why they have changed the policy they had when they said they wouldn't release the game until it was ready for the masses. Right now it isn't. Surely it's still 2,5 months left until release, but frankly, there is a shitload of stuff to tweak, change and fix. I doubt they have enough time...
in short, game is bad, don't waste 15$, save that money for cs2. (imo, csgo was made to get casual kiddies into the game, make the game popular console side, make some kids playing console think they are 'true' pros, etc. cs2? well, if they [valve] are geniuses, everyone will switch over upon a successful beta of cs2...)
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