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IEM drops CS 1.6 as main title
By: Nix0n
Time: 2012-06-14 14:39
Game: Counter-Strike 1.6

The Electronic Sports League has announced that Counter-Strike 1.6 has been taken off the main titles list for the seventh season of the Intel Extreme Masters.

Speculations and indications of a CS title change started already ahead of season six and with the announcement of Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, it seemed logical that a change of game was within reach.

Today, the announcement came from the ESL, that the Intel Extreme Masters season seven won't feature Counter-Strike 1.6 as one of the main titles, mainly due to a decline in its status outside of Europe.

The announcement came via the Intel Extreme Masters website and reads a statement issued by Michal "Carmac" Blicharz, Director of Pro Gaming:

"Over the six seasons in the Intel Extreme Masters, Counter-Strike 1.6 brought a lot of fantastic moments to our events and its community contributed enormously towards its global growth. We hope we have delivered a great deal of entertainment and emotions in return.

For a truly global project like ours, with events on four different continents and many different countries, we require game titles with professional players and teams from all corners of the world. In the recent years of Counter-Strike 1.6, the game has retained its status of a top professional game in Europe but declined in other parts of the world. This was evident at our events outside of Europe.

With this as the basis, we have decided to take Counter-Strike off the main titles list. This means that if CS 1.6 will be featured at an event, it will only be for certain events where it is a perfect fit for the Intel Extreme Masters locally.

The legacy of CS in the Intel Extreme Masters is one of the greatest stories in all of ESL. The names of the champions of all six seasons will be engraved on every Intel Extreme Masters season final trophy a player or a team will ever win.

According to the statement, should the game be featured in the Intel Extreme Masters, then it will only be at events where it makes sense, which probably means within the walls of Europe.

Following six seasons as a main title in the Intel Extreme Masters, the era has ended. Looking back at the teams to win the IEM trophy, here is a list of the winners.

Season 6 ESC Gaming kuben, TaZ, pasha, Neo, Loord $50,000
Season 5 Natus Vincere ceh9, starix, Edward, markeloff, Zeus $35,000
Season 4 Natus Vincere ceh9, starix, Edward, markeloff, Zeus $50,000
Season 3 fnatic cArn, GeT_RiGhT, dsn, Gux, f0rest $50,000
Season 2 mousesports Kapio, gore, cyx, Tixo, gob b $50,000
Season 1 PGS Gaming kuben, TaZ, LUq, Neo, Loord 40,000€

The seventh season of the Intel Extreme Masters is still to be announced. In the last few years the announcement has come between June and July, so we will have to sit tight and see what the ESL has in store for us this season, regardless of dropping Counter-Strike 1.6.

Tags: Electronic Sports League, Intel Extreme Masters, Counter-Strike 1.6

2012-06-14 14:39:49
did you even read the post? or just randomly said omg?
2012-06-14 15:06:49
to be honest, that would also be my reaction just reading the title. It's pretty self explainatory. ;)
2012-06-14 15:13:14
dude he didnt even read the title,look at the time of his comment and time of the post....
2012-06-14 15:15:37
if he wrote the comment, he had to read the title when he clicked on it:D you probably wouldnt randomly click on some article and than type OMGGGGGGGG without knowing where are you posting your comment:D use brain dude:D
2012-06-14 15:22:07
chill out .. why are you so concerned about his comment? just read the thread comment on it and go enjoy your life FFS
2012-06-14 15:22:56
2012-06-14 16:30:51
why do you care
2012-06-14 16:35:06
stupid post!
2012-06-14 17:15:41
2012-06-14 17:49:06
Shut up, I'm so fed up with people bashing on every first comment on every news article.
Why do you even care?
2012-06-14 18:35:42
2012-06-14 18:53:04
2012-06-14 19:22:30
super Network :D
2012-06-15 02:26:48
IEM without CS is my last IEM!
2012-06-15 03:14:43
+1 tadek!
2012-06-15 07:16:09
what the hell?
2012-06-14 14:39:59
2012-06-14 14:40:04
dafuq ?
2012-06-14 14:40:13
what the....... ?
2012-06-14 14:40:59
2012-06-14 14:41:00
2012-06-14 14:41:00
they are gonna lose a lot of people in their event
and eventually they will bring 1.6 again
2012-06-14 19:21:32
Only if everyone here boycott CS:GO. Cs 1.6 will be back if there's not a better FPS.
2012-06-14 21:33:38
YOU Know so much
2012-06-14 21:35:35
well it happend once with cs source
2012-06-14 22:30:58
most ridiculous comment ever, of course it won't bring back 1.6, then we'll just have no counter-strike titles being picked up -_-
2012-06-14 22:47:01
eSport need a FPS game, whatever it is, it's one of the basics.
2012-06-15 01:30:10
A major e-sports event without cs 1.6 = event without decent fps games
2012-06-15 12:54:20
That's exactly my point.
2012-06-16 01:13:53
Doesn't mean that the FPS title has to be a form of counter-strike though..?
2012-06-15 14:59:59
The best form of CS is CS 1.6. Whatever else would be a regression. It's the most followed cause it's the most pleasant to watch. Period.
2012-06-16 01:17:34
so you'd rather have some COD game as the main fps over a counter-strike title just because it's not 1.6, pathetic. I'm glad you won't be making the move to cs:go, a community looking to go forward doesn't need people like you.
2012-06-16 14:04:49
Well, this is it.
2012-06-14 14:41:19
rest in peace counter-strike, you were a good friend for 12 years.
2012-06-14 14:41:22
2012-06-14 14:41:58
friend or gf? :D
2012-06-14 14:52:29
grand - HLTV.org
boyfriend. HehEHehehheHEhehEHehehHEhehe -.-
2012-06-14 15:01:48
2012-06-14 17:16:04
2012-06-14 19:30:25
Not true :(
2012-06-14 14:41:37
You can lick my balls
2012-06-14 14:41:41
bitch ESL
2012-06-14 14:41:42
sad :(

Post edited 2012-06-14 14:45:07
2012-06-14 14:41:47
2012-06-14 14:42:00
2012-06-14 21:21:08
BAM! cs:go anyone?
2012-06-14 14:42:07
Schypher - HLTV.org
Do you think they will add CS:GO when one of the events will have 1.6?
2012-06-14 15:18:00
2012-06-14 15:18:51
Of course GO will be added, This is the final nail in the coffin that is 1.6, It's had a great run but now it's come to an end much like BroodWar. Roll on CS:GO
2012-06-14 20:08:21
what events?
2012-06-14 15:19:28
IEM. Only in Europe qual I think.
2012-06-14 15:20:22
Schypher - HLTV.org
Read the news...
2012-06-14 15:24:05
it is maybe :)
2012-06-14 16:37:59
Doesn't say for sure that they'll feature 1.6 at any event, just that if they do it'll be in europe
2012-06-14 18:37:40
Buuuuu. FUCK YOU!

You will be responsible for killing 1.6!

Post edited 2012-06-14 14:43:16
2012-06-14 14:42:14
2012-06-14 15:21:21
yea, but they dont give a fck since they do it for money
2012-06-14 15:24:16
Well what do you expect them to do? Run non-profit tournaments just to keep a dying community happy?
2012-06-14 18:38:58
did i say i expect anything from them? im just saying that they care about money, not dying community.
2012-06-15 13:11:43
Dreamhack has already announced CS games for another 3 years counting this year too. Or am I wrong?
2012-06-14 15:43:43
I think they only announced events for the next few years, not CS. That doesn't mean they won't have CS but looking at this summer's edition they will probably drop it soon...
2012-06-14 16:40:26
Valve has killed CS:Source
and now trying to kill CS1.6 too.
2012-06-14 16:47:13
+ fuckin 1!
2012-06-14 18:25:01
The reason they're dropping it is because of lack of interest, which means the thing that's killing 1.6 is the diminishing community.
2012-06-14 18:40:22
finally someone with a fuckin brain
2012-06-15 15:17:54
add bf3!
2012-06-14 14:42:23
keep 1.6
2012-06-14 17:18:17
why? ESL SHIT!
2012-06-14 14:42:28
2012-06-14 14:43:05
2012-06-14 14:43:33
from now IEM she shittest TOURNAMENT!
2012-06-14 14:43:34
2012-06-14 15:05:14
2012-06-14 15:10:37
+1 man
2012-06-14 15:12:51
Thank you very much bro.
2012-06-14 15:13:30
2012-06-14 17:26:26
fuck you ESL
2012-06-14 14:43:53
suck on tht, SK :D
2012-06-14 14:43:53
Fu esl :[ die..
2012-06-14 14:44:01
2012-06-14 14:44:08
so sad :|
2012-06-14 14:44:24
you will burn in HELL ESL , loosers
2012-06-14 14:44:28

Post edited 2012-06-14 14:52:23
2012-06-14 14:44:38
Assholes !
2012-06-14 14:44:42
wtf? thats sad :(
2012-06-14 14:45:03
so now is official.

Counter-Strike is dead.
2012-06-14 14:45:45
Dead cause ESL drops it? THEY ARE MOTEHRFUCKERS ONLY ORIENTED ON MONEY. fuck them lets see how they will; succes with their SHIT CS:GO :)

next news

2012-06-14 14:47:06
are u blind?

What huge events with Counter-strike now?. And WCG will be the next to drop CS.

We are now in new esports era with MOBA games like League of Legends and Dota2 + Starcraft2. Millions of euros each month in events, millions of players, LIVE streams is so important (people win money with it) and more.
This new era of esports is more professional than the first (CS 1999-2010), the television and crowd have huge importance.

The only hope is cs:go (I dont know if the game is good yet) or shooter community is dead in this esports era.

Post edited 2012-06-14 15:03:47
2012-06-14 14:53:28
A example of Video of this new esports era:

2012-06-14 15:05:59
this was the biggest gay shit i ever had seen ._.
2012-06-14 15:23:52
Gay? that crowd gives such a big hype, we gotta deal with it, CS is dead, we will have to find a new game to focus on because CS wont get an update

Our only hope is a new FPS game that can be competitive

Post edited 2012-06-14 16:28:52
2012-06-14 16:28:44
you are an idiot
2012-06-14 17:26:43
this was really fucking gay! Do u want to compare the atmosphere of cs and this shit??? Cs is a deep shit, not a crow of fat nerds ._.
2012-06-14 21:09:15
go shave ur self
2012-06-15 13:15:51
You have got to be kidding me, that was one of the best moments of e-sport history.
2012-06-14 18:44:02
You said everything, its sad but true. And this video is very nice, but i dont like sc2 :(
2012-06-14 18:57:21
''people win money with it'' what you mean with this... you think CS Players dont win money with CS ....[ma perce non ti fai i kazzi tuoi..]
2012-06-14 16:29:03

SC2 and league of legends only for south koreans people :/
2012-06-14 19:27:30
IEM was the only event that had a big prizepool last year.. cs is now dead
2012-06-14 15:08:29
you should realise that IEM was one of the major tournaments for CS. So it's a big loss for community and you cann't say that cs is not dying.
2012-06-14 15:26:58
IEM was the biggest tournament left, and of course they're oriented on money, they wouldn't have gotten to where they are if they didn't care about profit.
2012-06-14 18:42:27
damn it
2012-06-14 14:45:47
2012-06-14 14:45:52
esl always a shit
2012-06-14 14:45:58
Fail by ESL.
2012-06-14 14:45:58
now thats a real SHIT.
2012-06-14 14:46:29
Fuck you IEM, fuck you ESL. Shitty faggots, last season 1.6 got more viewers than sc2, and in 2 years nobody will remember LoL.

1.6 too strong for IEM

Post edited 2012-06-14 14:48:00
2012-06-14 14:47:08
2012-06-14 15:02:12
70000 people watched final
2012-06-14 15:07:12
and dont forget the people on the stage
2012-06-14 15:15:50
haha :)
2012-06-14 15:12:37
I just want they understand that...

Post edited 2012-06-14 15:35:41
2012-06-14 15:35:15
2012-06-14 17:36:01
+1 :'(
2012-06-14 18:19:24
mmm nope... LoL wont be forgoten
2012-06-15 13:33:44
screw you
2012-06-14 14:47:18
wtf !
2012-06-14 14:47:20
sad :|
2012-06-14 14:48:20
keep your NERDS safe ESL!
2012-06-14 14:48:25
very very sad. I didn't like the esl very much except their 1.6 things..so now i hope this ship will sink

Post edited 2012-06-14 14:48:46
2012-06-14 14:48:27
Now don't go and start watching CS:GO which they will certainly feature.

Come on we got 70K spectators in final man :(
2012-06-14 14:48:40
2012-06-14 14:48:46
everything comes to an end, thanks IEM for supporting CS during those years.
2012-06-14 14:48:48
BUT WHY? if they want sepctators they had to remove first SC2 cause we fucked them up by viewer counts :)
2012-06-14 14:50:15
ask them why, not me lol

Post edited 2012-06-14 14:52:34
2012-06-14 14:52:27
Because Intel want higher graphics to go with their newer products.

2012-06-14 14:52:36
Not sure if trolling or just stupid.
2012-06-14 14:53:00
it was for one tourmament, sc2 is still way bigger than CS I am afraid. sc2 had more tournaments going on at the time, and CS only had one, so it is not surprising CS had more viewers because they had nothing else to watch.

Post edited 2012-06-14 15:47:02
2012-06-14 15:45:16
Dude, please...

Do you truly believe 1.6 is more followed than SC2 ?
2012-06-14 18:25:03
sure he does.
2012-06-15 13:17:31
so what about DOTA2?
2012-06-14 14:49:13
i doubt they'll feature both LoL and DotA

they need a new fps and CS:GO would make the most sense, possibly Halo4 depending on how the competetive scene evolves there (not saying I think Halo is a good e-sport though)
2012-06-14 18:48:29
stupid !
2012-06-14 14:50:02
IEM's bad desicion, CS:GO is a project that is not going to work better than CS 1.6 =)
2012-06-14 14:50:03
nice nice you were the most amazing tournament each year I was filled with tons of happiness each time an IEM event was on . thanks for destroying everything
2012-06-14 14:50:14
ESL wrong
2012-06-14 14:50:25
sad :S!
2012-06-14 14:50:42
Outside of Europe... God damn USA... why do you keep playing those shitty CoD games that are for f*cking 15 year olds so they can scream and bitch about their kill streaks and shit... There's no skill required to that game, I can play that game and own in about 2 hours (on PC ofc...) Childish people...
2012-06-14 14:50:46
The comment that I can't agree more I've read in HLTV, so true.
2012-06-14 15:20:55
CoD, BF, Halo etc. is all american shit for 10 years olds

Post edited 2012-06-14 17:13:50
2012-06-14 17:13:38
tbh, the call of duty scene is only alive in europe too. as far as i know, USA has no real competitive scene when it comes to FPS's. Europe, on the other hand, has cod4, cs, and maybe something more
2012-06-14 19:06:42
FU !
2012-06-14 14:50:47
Luq <3
2012-06-14 14:51:08
omfg bcoz Asia and USA is super bad in cs, we wont see any IEM 1.6 tours? thanks a lot!
2012-06-14 14:51:21
the end.
2012-06-14 14:51:38
2012-06-14 14:51:49
Yes! Finally!
2012-06-14 14:52:10
i need a gun
2012-06-14 14:52:13
Don't support CS:GO now guys, support CS:Promod.
2012-06-14 14:53:18
lol xDDDDD
2012-06-14 15:05:00
2012-06-14 15:26:12
OMG, fucking valve and their CS:GO shit bljak fuj kaka
2012-06-14 14:53:42
CS:GO is not the reason... they don't want to support a game popular at only 1 continent! (though it's probably the most popular game in europe atm)
2012-06-14 15:00:43
+ that intel is the title sponsor, and you can run 1.6 on intel processors that are 20 years old
2012-06-14 15:14:59
While i'm sure it'd be a nice bonus for intel to be sponsoring games that have high-end graphics, its honestly largely irrelevant. They're paying for advertisement and encouraging brand-loyalty to a large audience of gamers - ie. their target market. The game thats being played means nothing, as long as there are people playing it and spectators watching it. Its why you see companies that have absolutely nothing to do with sports (like a bank or something) sponsoring football teams/events.

Post edited 2012-06-14 15:24:15
2012-06-14 15:23:51
true, but i still think its one of the reasons
2012-06-14 15:29:13
You havent needed a high-end CPU or even medium-end one to play CS1.6 for atleast half a decade, probably significantly more. Its highly unlikely that was one of the reasons for this decision. As you said yourself (even though its obviously an exageration) "you can run 1.6 on intel processors that are 20 years old"

Post edited 2012-06-14 15:42:00
2012-06-14 15:41:00
your argument is invalid and hest1 is right. Why? Because it's a niche market. Compare the viewers of NBA to the viewers of CS for example. If CS had the same number of viewers as NBA then it would seem logical to advertise products of a diverse industry(i.e. products not related to gaming).

However in the case of CS 1.6 or gaming, the number of viewers if comparatively low so it would make absolutely no sense to promote products like Pepsi, banking, etc because it's such a niche market. So yes, one of the main reasons why Intel would drop CS 1.6 is because their not gaining any benefits from sustaining a game which wont bring them any monetary value.
2012-06-14 17:45:13
But as I said previously, and as NeZiX further clarified below - You're right, thats why we dont see (many) sponsors like Pepsi/banks etc that have nothing to do with gaming. But Intel has a lot to do with gaming, and gamers are a large part of their target audience.

Its irrelevant that the tournament isnt playing the most up-to-date game as its still advertising to their core audience. Its great marketing, and inspires brand-loyalty (conciously or unconciously). The vast majority of counter strike players and spectators arent solely 'cs players', but 'gamers' who play mmos, mobas, and a wide range of other games.

If my argument was invalid then, as I also previously mentioned, Intel would have dropped sponsoring the game the better part of a decade ago - but they didnt. It hasnt suddenly happened now that CS1.6 no longer requires top-end computers... thats something that hasnt been required for atleast 7-8 years.

The reason CS1.6 got dropped is probably partly because of their stated one (that the game is 'dead' outside of Europe), and also partly because of CSGO which will be launched a few months before IEM season 7 starts.

Post edited 2012-06-14 21:06:29
2012-06-14 21:05:38
as u can run LoL on those processors..
2012-06-15 13:19:27
Exactly, I've made this point before. Thanks for posting!

The point of Coca-Cola advertising in the NBA is so that people will think Coke when they want to get a drink. In the same regard, even though you don't need a new PC to play 1.6, when you go out and buy your next PC (which you will do anyway) you will think Intel because you've seen them sponsoring multiple CS events and teams.

Personally, if AMD started sponsoring 1.6 tournaments I would become an AMD customer even though I've bought Intel for the past 12 years.

My two cents.

Post edited 2012-06-14 16:47:29
2012-06-14 16:47:09
now i have one question: will cs still be alive, when i'm back from the army on november?
2012-06-14 14:54:30
epic comment is epic...
2012-06-14 14:57:48
and it should be dead ? Community still gonna be playing the game (gathers, cups, mixes and so on).
2012-06-14 15:00:23
hope u're right, brah
ps. from the other hand i wanna try this "shitty cs:go", maybe it has future on the competitive level... who knows
2012-06-14 15:06:48
90% of mine country players doesn't even follow the PRO scene for 1.5 years now. But they still are playing actively.

Post edited 2012-06-14 15:10:28
2012-06-14 15:09:35
heh, i have many friends who don't play cause of lack of time but follow the scene :)
2012-06-14 15:21:45
2012-06-14 20:18:21
2012-06-14 14:54:57
Not so bad decision if they will keep it in Eu only. Tbh,it was annoying to watch Eu teams on IEM America. :O
2012-06-14 14:55:04
Not really surprising... Carmac had been whining about CS for a while. Joe Miller was the only one supporting it... (props to him)
2012-06-14 14:55:07
+1 Carmac is a whining bitch, Joe is a true supporter <3
2012-06-14 14:57:16
Carmac is a businessman. Joe is an employee, and a fan.
2012-06-14 15:11:30
As i said, Carmac is a whining bitch :)
2012-06-14 15:13:18
Carmac is a businessman and a journalist... meaning you can't trust anything that he says (although I do think he gives good interviews).
2012-06-14 16:49:17
What was he whinning on ?
2012-06-14 21:38:31
He has been against using 1.6 in the IEM for a while.
2012-06-14 23:22:05
Seriously ? Fuck, I liked this guy.
2012-06-15 01:25:11
What was the reason? :(
2012-06-15 09:50:03
2012-06-14 14:55:34
And so it begins =(
2012-06-14 14:56:08
someone should drop a tank....on their heads :/
2012-06-14 14:56:28
''This means that if CS 1.6 will be featured at an event, it will only be for certain events where it is a perfect fit for the Intel Extreme Masters locally.''

what does this mean ?
2012-06-14 14:56:29
CS will only be played in small shittournaments in Germany etc.
2012-06-14 15:01:25
not featured at IEM World Championship, but the local IEM Challenge
2012-06-14 15:54:07
They might feature it at european IEM tournaments
2012-06-14 18:49:59

2012-06-14 14:56:42
2012-06-14 14:57:46
Thank you please spread page we must get many lIKES and then show them how much we are!
2012-06-14 15:00:58
2012-06-14 15:02:42
Thanks please spread it.
2012-06-14 15:03:48
nice ideaa & liked :)
2012-06-14 15:18:35
2012-06-14 15:28:45
Thank you and please spread page.
2012-06-14 15:30:37
2012-06-14 18:00:36
2012-06-14 19:28:40
They cant bring CS:GO on scene if "WE" players don't want it. so gl valve and ESL.
2012-06-14 14:57:10
and how do you know they will use GO?? maybe they will drop cs completely
2012-06-14 15:19:42
2012-06-14 14:57:15
2012-06-14 14:57:20
One thousand viewers on IEM VII CS:GO final will be a good result.
2012-06-14 14:57:45
3 likes already thank you. Let's show how many are we CS COMMUNITY. PLEASE!
2012-06-14 14:58:23
Bang, cs is dead*
Lets buy cs:go and we will play like blind mode
2012-06-14 14:58:25
Instead of saying FUCK ESL, let's do it this way, everyone that watches League of Legends, but is a CS 1.6 player, go for a riot against ESL, refuse to watch their games, HLTV.org shouldn't announce their games event location etc, none will know about it, and it will be a massive disaster, Season VIII, Carmac:

'After the failish 7th season, we decided to bring 1.6 back as our main title.' Clean and easy!
2012-06-14 14:58:50
2012-06-14 14:59:56
You are living in a dream world. If viewers would be most important thing on event,there would be lots of CS events because it is so fucking popular. Old game...
2012-06-14 15:10:02
What does old game have to do with this? Unreal Tournament '99 is still there and none watches it...

Valve bought ESL to do this, surely!
2012-06-14 15:10:56
haha :D
2012-06-14 15:10:32
Dude.. A semi-final of a League Of Legends game had over 220,000 unique viewers on ONE SINGLE STREAM. And I bet under 100 of those viewers were from HLTV.

2012-06-14 15:23:43
ye,if everyone that launched half life automaticaly was redirected to the ESL stream we would have around those numbers to xD
2012-06-14 16:02:15
most of my CS friends watch LoL, its a decent game and it can be really entertaining sometimes. I don't think the number of CS players watching LoL is low.
2012-06-14 18:17:29
Believe me they won't miss the maybe 500/1k users from hltv.org...

They get more views from actual LoL/SC2 fans than 1.6 fans.

2012-06-14 18:50:12
2012-06-14 20:20:29
sad story 8(
2012-06-14 14:58:51
More than half events in 2011 were by ESL,now tell me CS is not dying
2012-06-14 14:59:01
2012-06-14 14:59:20
it's not the case
2012-06-14 15:00:05
2012-06-14 14:59:23
2012-06-14 14:59:24
"In the recent years of Counter-Strike 1.6, the game has retained its status of a top professional game in Europe but declined in other parts of the world. This was evident at our events outside of Europe."

no one can argue with that
2012-06-14 14:59:37
They're dumb.. It's big in europe and sought after a lot of people but still they go with most of the events outside europe.
2012-06-14 15:09:51
And what now stupid people
2012-06-14 14:59:51
fock !
2012-06-14 15:00:04
time for CSGO?
2012-06-14 15:01:34
2012-06-14 15:02:00
they probably trying to get more alive CSGO :/ what a fail...
2012-06-14 15:03:05
So sad :(!

I don't understand them fully (maybe I'm just coloured by my love to the game). I just find it weird to remove a game with such high livestream views in 2011. It even topped sc2.
2012-06-14 15:03:23
Main cut of money ESL earns by PRing sponsors so people will buy hardware. You don't need new good hardware for an old game.
2012-06-14 15:06:29
Same argument was used to say 1.6 would die when Source came out.

Plus practically any vid card from the last 10 years will play 1.6 at full fps. So why do they get rid of it now and not 10 years ago? Your argument doesn't really work. There's more at play.
2012-06-14 15:31:21
It's not the same as when Source came up. Now valve will do everything to make people change from 1.6 to GO
2012-06-14 15:46:40
I think that's not the point. People don't play only cs 1.6. I belive that everyone likes to play other games when not playing cs, and for the other games, they need better graphic cards. I mean, if there were a survey, it would probably show that the biggest part of cs players have a good/recent graphic card, while only a few still use those old cards.
2012-06-14 18:05:12
topped SC2 while they were having another major tournament at different place

gratz i guess..
2012-06-14 23:01:25
fuk the ESL they are greedy mfakas with and also their 360p streamz in 2012...mkay
2012-06-14 15:03:25
I am so sad now.
2012-06-14 15:03:47
its over...
2012-06-14 15:04:40
looks like cs 1.6 competitve scene is kinda dead,lets hope that cs:go wont be a shit.
2012-06-14 15:05:10
this is it guys.. R.I.P 1.6
2012-06-14 15:05:52
Well, this sucks...
2012-06-14 15:06:02
FUCK, they are dumbass, and now boycott ESL and IEM, don't watch nothing about their shit games.
2012-06-14 15:06:03
I wish I could go back in time and buy a damn 1080p stream pass.
2012-06-14 15:06:18
Don't cry kids. We all know this is coming.
2012-06-14 15:07:05
2012-06-14 15:07:19
End of an era. Thx IEM. No reason to hate ESL. They always wanted to attract as many viewers as they could and CS is not that game anymore. Even with our support CS is not evolving anymore, and only get more age with time. When we saw lately some new faces winning BIG events?
2012-06-14 15:07:48
That's moronic, have you heard of Na`Vi ?
2012-06-14 15:11:15
They are not fresh plyers? They played well, long time before they started to dominate.
2012-06-14 15:22:13
I guess you see new awesome/fantastic/supernatural/overskilled players coming up every year in the other games...
2012-06-14 18:09:23

League of Legends has a lot of good teams popping every month...
2012-06-14 18:29:02
IN Europe we know this game ..the rest of continents learn it or play that chinesee starcraft shit.... _)_ lick it ESL

Post edited 2012-06-14 15:08:28
2012-06-14 15:07:52
after reading half of these comments, i could say that half of people isn't even playing CS1.6, just watching streams and HLTV's.
2012-06-14 15:07:59
2012-06-14 15:08:01
Schypher - HLTV.org
You realize that once 1.6 dies all interest in the Counter-Strike franchise dies, that includes CS:S. So yea, bye "1.6 noobs" and the FPS community in general.
2012-06-14 15:22:04
2012-06-14 15:25:51
Schypher - HLTV.org
They removed 1.6 because it didn't generated enough interest worldwide (viewership), do you think they would add CS:GO when most of the CS community says it worse than source?
2012-06-14 15:35:02
Add it around the same time as they launch CS:GO. It would probably generate quite a bit of buzz and get the interest started.

SC2 was not a very good game when it came out, and none of the old BW fans truly liked it, but it generated buzz by going of BW hype. Same thing could happen with GO.

It's not the existing community that they want, it's the people who don't watch now they want. So CS:GO is quite the possibility tbh.
2012-06-14 15:39:27
Schypher - HLTV.org
Once the open beta starts (between late July and late August) and everyone plays the game and sees how bad it is, all of that interest will die.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana
2012-06-14 15:51:39
Well, since I've never played the beta I'm not going to challenge you on that one.

But I never feel like the casual gamers are actually playing the good games :P
2012-06-14 15:53:58
but the casual gamers don't follow scenes, don't get deep into the game. They're going to buy the fucking key, play it once or twice a week, and leave it alone. It would be very, very dumb to ignore the existing community in order to found another one entirely from the scratch.
2012-06-14 18:12:54
I just think u dont remember how SHIT was CS beta too. However CS:GO can get better way faster.
2012-06-14 18:37:41
Schypher - HLTV.org
That would be a valid point if CSGO wasn't just 2 months way from release, with the game changing very little during the 8 month beta.
2012-06-14 18:55:23
and you dont remember that CS beta happened when there were no CS's before that - CS:GO is coming after two CS versions already exist.
2012-06-15 02:59:16
so what? the game cant get better?
2012-06-15 08:58:40
You can't compare a FPS game with a RTS game tbh. And I think CS:GO will end up like CoD and Battlefield now. A lot of players but no real competive scene.
2012-06-14 15:51:51
What we have seen lately though is that a lot of players = a competitive scene. LoL is what it is not because it was a great competitive game, but because it has an INSANE player base.

But I agree, it's never realistic to compare different genres, but it does give perspective.
2012-06-14 15:57:29
COD also has a massive player base, and no competitive scene at all
2012-06-14 16:23:49
because activision nvr put money into the scene like riot games
2012-06-14 16:38:35
Schypher - HLTV.org
They did a 1 Million dollars tournament (COD XP) last year, needless to say that it was such a big flop that this year they've decided not to do it again.
2012-06-14 18:58:46
that was just a promotional tournament it will be like 1 mil tour for every series they release
2012-06-14 22:07:08
But last IEM was pretty good viewers wise no ? I really can't understand...I'm just disgusted.
2012-06-14 21:40:30
all those 70k "viewers" had chance to support their game directly via esl premium and have a chance to watch better quality. I dont think it even had 100 viewers there lol, felt like a private stream xD
2012-06-14 23:06:27
There still was shitload of advertising, stream is supposed to be free, that's why there's advertising. ESL is just fucking hungry and ungrateful, they would be nothing without CS and even after 12 years they manage to get 70K viewers, I don't understand how some people don't realise how huge it is for a 12 years old game.
2012-06-15 01:28:19
I know you're just trolling but please try to make sense, CS:GO will be just another stillborn game like source, its graphics aren't anything exceptional and from what I heard the gameplay has nothing special..
2012-06-14 16:32:54
Made my day, thanks
2012-06-14 16:42:19
hope they will bring in SAUCE for VII finals, they will have ~750 viewers

Post edited 2012-06-14 15:24:01
2012-06-14 15:23:14
2012-06-14 15:08:02
2012-06-14 15:08:08
not good but expected
2012-06-14 15:08:51
I still can't believe it... How did ESL have the guts to do this, CS 1.6 brought them the most emotion and everything of all time... Jesus
2012-06-14 15:09:01
I absolutely hate this decision as a player and a fan of the game but i, for one, completely understand ESL's decision.

I wish it did not have to be that way but i guess we'll have to say goodbye to the best CS 1.6 Tournament of the year. It was great while it lasted.
2012-06-14 15:09:15
dafuq?cs:go = shit GTFO!from now IEM-ESL=shit
2012-06-14 15:10:27
2012-06-14 15:10:45
its for the good of "eSports" and inCholestrol :DDD
2012-06-14 15:11:01
It was expected...why are you so shocked...
2012-06-14 15:12:13
Sad but kinda expected
2012-06-14 15:12:22
thx joe , fu esl & carmac ;)
2012-06-14 15:12:22
They shall regret the day, they droped cs 1.6 as main title!

2012-06-14 15:12:45
we have dreamhack at least
2012-06-14 15:13:09
Didn't you guys know it after mousesports disband?
2012-06-14 15:13:33
2012-06-14 15:13:50
the end of cs 1.6 era.
2012-06-14 15:14:32
2012-06-14 15:15:15
[ M E G A F A ! L ] ~~~
2012-06-14 15:16:01
its time to CS:GO :<
2012-06-14 15:16:35
Father, forgive them ... they do not know what they do ...
2012-06-14 15:17:15
2012-06-14 15:17:20
CS is dead
2012-06-14 15:17:39
its obviously that this isnt the REAL reason to drop 1.6.

tell the truth carmac, how much valve offered to ESL?
2012-06-14 15:18:18
2012-06-14 15:20:52
+1, not possible to drop a game that have been so successful in 12 years and still beats the stream numbers of LoL and SC2 at IEM.

Post edited 2012-06-14 15:25:36
2012-06-14 15:25:22
It did beat SC2 at one event, but LoL crushed everyone. LoL's streaming numbers are insane.
2012-06-14 15:27:42
LoL got 4.2 Million active playing everyday and around 32 million? users :| and CS got ~60k active steam users and obviously not around numbers close to 1 million non steamers and still we went to numbers as 71K on IEM and lol goes maximum 250k on and usually around 100-150k :/ percentage CS 1.6 is the biggest at streams.
2012-06-14 15:31:01
Well thats because it's only the "hardcore" fans that still play 1.6 while LoL is the most casual game out there only challenged by Runescape and WoW.

If you ever try to sell to your sponsors that the percentages are better for 1.6, they will only smile and think about how great numbers they might achieve out of LoL.
2012-06-14 15:33:53
WoW is nothing compared to LoL, wow is dying slowly after each shitty expansion. And Runescapes numbers aint big :p, and LoL will probably die faster then expected, since their community is shit. But still LoL streaming numbers aren't that big anymore, it have been decreasing dramaticly under just a couple of months ~100K minus probably at all the big events streams. MLG had nothing compared to IEM last time.
2012-06-14 15:39:13
MLG haven't released the numbers have they? And when they do, they don't release per game but only as a whole.
2012-06-14 15:41:19
Watched the livestream at MLG, the numbers were only shown when they had a stream with casters, and it were 40K when i watched. and i watched around 4 BO3 games.
2012-06-14 15:45:43
Hmm, well I'm waiting for them to release their numbers because they usually hide viewer numbers during streams. Or they used to. But if it was only 40k, then it disappointed idd.
2012-06-14 15:47:45
Major League Gaming Spring Championship By the Numbers for the Weekend June 8-10

More than 4.7 million unique online viewers over the weekend
More than 2.2 million unique online viewers on Championship Sunday
437,000 peak concurrent online viewers
More than 5.4 million hours of video consumed
More than 20,000 in person spectators

A good weekend, even though it's several games.
2012-06-14 16:09:22
Yep, but the LoL were pretty weak compared to usual :p
2012-06-14 16:15:32
Schypher - HLTV.org
It did beat SC2 at one event,
When was that?
Most people said that CS beat SC2 in viewers at IEM WC but that never really happened, SC2 had 100K, far from 1.6's 70K.
2012-06-14 15:37:44
Did it? I never checked the numbers, only trusted Slasher on Lo3, never doing that again I guess. =/
2012-06-14 15:40:32
in semi-finals.
2012-06-14 15:53:43
I do think it happened there but its worth of mentioning that SC2 had another major at same weekend so full focus / best players were not in IEM WC. Also since finals were in the same stream all talk is about numbers before the finals when all games were played same time and viewer numbers were mostly not influenced by other games that much.
2012-06-14 23:17:27
I dont know IEM6 SC2 stream numbers, but the starcraft community is the only one able to fill crowd events PAYING ticket in europe, america or asia.

Only LoL and Starcraft communities do it. They have a spectator culture and fan culture very huge.

Post edited 2012-06-14 15:48:21
2012-06-14 15:46:56
Idd, and it looks like DotA2 is able to do the same with The International 2 in Seattle. First batch of tickets were sold out after 30sec xD
2012-06-14 15:48:39
Yes!, sorry, I forgot dota.

Starcraft, Dota and League of Legends communities have a FAN culture & spectactor culture very huge.

They pay ticket to watch events and sold out the crowd, pay to get TV/Stream account and more.

Counter-Strike community is so old and different to them.
2012-06-14 15:57:08
Yes, also, SC2, LoL and DotA 2 fans pay for HD passes for streams, subscribe to streams, buy team shirts etc.

Just totally different to 1.6, tbh.
2012-06-14 18:49:02

Valve prolly paid to have CS:GO in the IEM

Post edited 2012-06-14 16:28:46
2012-06-14 16:28:30
damn you are fuckin right
sons of bitches want to kill the best thing that ever made
fuckin retards
2012-06-14 17:21:58
Bad news :/ I thought it was said that until carmac is still there, then there will be Counter-Strike 1.6 . Guess that's not true and yes.. FUCK!!!
2012-06-14 15:18:47
New season IEM is SUCKS!
2012-06-14 15:21:04
2012-06-14 15:21:50
It looks amazing when Na'Vi has two first places in 2010/11, but simply awesome when G5 is #1 in first and last event. It was a great time, so much emotions. I hope we'll be able to see it one more time...
2012-06-14 15:21:56
2012-06-14 15:22:32
2012-06-14 15:27:21
2012-06-14 20:02:36
So yeah, cs will end with this..
2012-06-14 15:22:49
so it begins
2012-06-14 15:23:42
LOL now they have their unemotional nerds left with which they won't have succes :)
2012-06-14 15:23:55
has the ESL paid everything they owed to the past winning teams already?
2012-06-14 15:24:08
+111111 They haven't even paid the prize money...
2012-06-14 16:18:06
CS:GO coming!
2012-06-14 15:25:52
fuck you
2012-06-14 17:59:57
they will add csgo and next year when they see that it flopped they will add 1.6 again

Post edited 2012-06-14 15:27:37
2012-06-14 15:26:11
2012-06-14 15:51:02
who are willing to sign a petition?
2012-06-14 15:27:25
RIP cs
2012-06-14 15:27:34
Sad day for me, and for a lot of the IEM staff too.

Lets hope something comes along that can live upto the greatest team FPS that ever existed..
2012-06-14 15:27:58
Please put a word in for CSPromod.com over at ESL.

95% of the community really dislike CS:GO.
2012-06-14 15:37:27
Tell Carmac u will add CS 1.6 again. Either by choice or not but you will. Events did not make CS 1.6. Cs 1.6 made events

Post edited 2012-06-14 15:55:06
2012-06-14 15:47:10
2012-06-14 21:23:48
Thank you Joe, for everything you've done for the cs-scene. (:
2012-06-14 17:28:11
Thanks for everything you've done over the years, brofist.
2012-06-14 18:58:48
thanks man , enjoyed your commentating through the years!
2012-06-15 04:04:51
2012-06-14 15:28:19
This is the end
2012-06-14 15:28:42
"In the recent years of Counter-Strike 1.6, the game has retained its status of a top professional game in Europe but declined in other parts of the world"
always been so.
we had 71k viewers ,¿what do you say about that? :|
So, football is the most sport played in whole world, and badminton isn't so popular and isn't so played, but that's no reason to kick from Olympic Games, for example.
Stupids arguments. I HATE YOU ESL, I HATE YOU IEM!!!
2012-06-14 15:29:07
Man,I was mad too, but when you think deeper, you just must realise that CS today is only alive in Europe. Look at the last IEM New York, teams had to travel all over from Europe, because there almost wasn't any American team.
2012-06-14 15:47:20
true, tbh as long as ESL keep organising events in Europe, I don't think it is too big a deal
2012-06-14 16:24:13
that's no a good reason.
2012-06-14 16:42:21
There has only been like 2-3 good teams from America, how is that any different from now?
2012-06-14 17:15:18
I disagree that CS is only alive at Europe. CS is VERY alive in Brazil, I can say. You know why you think this way? Because the very best teams are Europeans, but that doesn't mean cs is dead in other continents. It's like saying football/soccer is only alive at Europe aswell.
2012-06-14 18:20:39
2012-06-15 17:33:07
New York had its maximum allowed amount of American teams afaik (probably more if someone cancelled?) Its that those teams who gained points and qualified to the finals couldnt attend the EU Main event and that was when EU teams were filling those finals slots.
2012-06-14 23:21:28
they'll bring 1.6 back. its just stupid to drop this game
2012-06-14 15:29:15
Apparently my post was too harsh and it was deleted :-(.
What I wanted to say in a more mannered way: Shame IEM, CS made you, we, CS fans, made you.
2012-06-14 15:29:47
2012-06-14 15:30:12
r u fuckin' kiddin' me or wut?
2012-06-14 15:30:33
Expected. CS 1.6 is simply not as popular in the rest of the world as is in Europe. And look to the winners of these last six seasons: all european teams. Shocking!

It was a matter of time.
2012-06-14 15:32:19
I am pretty sure they removed Cs 1.6 to add CS:GO.
and if they think that they will get response with any other fps game from other continents then they are completely wrong. Passion is not a problem money is. So no matter what you do other people wont show up without any sponsors.

If they removed Cs 1.6 this year this does not mean that they cant add it next year. I am pretty sure CS:GO will be a big flop. As only kids will be playing the game just like source. and if they dont even include CS:GO then FPS games will die. Hence giving mobile gaming a boost. So i still have my fingers crossed.
2012-06-14 15:33:44
2012-06-14 15:35:49
2012-06-14 15:37:04
i mean good comment
2012-06-14 15:40:16
I doubt even kids play CS:GO, I mean the game is outdated already if you compare it with games like recent Call of Duty-s, and since most 1.6 players would rather quit gaming than play CS:GO (unless they really improve it), I can't see who's the target audience for this game
2012-06-14 16:22:36
2012-06-14 16:48:17
2012-06-14 15:34:41
2012-06-14 15:35:35
2012-06-14 15:36:43
Its all about money guys! Valve paid esl and here we go : cs:go replace 1.6. everything is simple
2012-06-14 15:37:16
Thank you for the memories you've given us through IEM. No reason to hang with your head yet boys, we'll probably see them arranging tournaments in Europe still. 1.6 that is.
2012-06-14 15:37:48
WHY ? fuck iem 70000 viewers its beat SC2. OMFG
2012-06-14 15:38:39
That's every single stream combined together, by multiple streamers. It doesn't work like that in marketing.

SC2 and LoL have shitloads of viewers on esl's stream. That's what matter to them because of their advertisement etc.
2012-06-14 16:57:26
The Poles started well and finished it, I love you :)
2012-06-14 15:38:59
2012-06-14 15:41:01
...... my favourite tournament:)
2012-06-14 15:40:53
fuck ESL, fuck IEM
2012-06-14 15:41:05
2012-06-14 15:41:33
2012-06-14 15:41:40

2012-06-14 15:42:36
280 likes already, nice to see that :D
2012-06-14 20:42:41
2012-06-14 15:42:49
poor esl, what do they think?:D:D:D:D

they should rather try to change something in the game, maps, playing system or whatever. before they will realise what they lost in counter-strike, they will be lost. counter-strike is so big part of esports, there is nothing that can replace it, not now at least.
2012-06-14 15:42:49
2012-06-14 15:43:17
Fuck. -_-
2012-06-14 15:44:18
sad :(
2012-06-14 15:45:20
this is fucking ungrateful!
2012-06-14 15:45:26
There were no teams outside of Europe because they failed to qualify. Obviously 8 spots wasn't enough and that is what they should change, not fucking game.
2012-06-14 15:46:47

UMX.USA, eFuture, EG, Check Six & TyLoo/Anexis all qualified but none of them had sponsors to attend the event. Once they declined, the spots were passed down to DTS Gaming, Black & Yellow, semXorah (who attended with four new players but IEM couldn't turn them down I assume because they needed more teams), Immunity and XcN Gaming.

Guangzhou and New York Global Challenges weren't that strong either, so it is true that Counter-Strike 1.6 is slowing down outside of Europe.

I still really wish it was featured though, such a great game and fun to watch, play, write about and commentate.
2012-06-14 16:55:09
they will see what will happen with DreamHack, and then maybe they will think again and put cs 1.6 in main title. After all cs 1.6 is 12 years old game. New games come with better graphics and sponsors want their hardware to be sold, they're not interested how movement or recoil goes, they're interested in new graphics so they can sell their new high-end graphics and shit.
2012-06-14 15:50:27
yeah true story
they don't know about competitive scene
2012-06-14 18:17:56
2012-06-14 15:51:00
sad story :((
2012-06-14 15:51:06
CS:GO born dead :D so they will go back to CS 1.6 as the rest big CO-s did it :) calm down guys.
2012-06-14 15:51:09
well..that being said, fuck IEM
2012-06-14 15:51:17
well its a sad day for counter-strike..
2012-06-14 15:51:44
2012-06-14 15:52:25
2012-06-14 15:53:09
RIP cs1.6
2012-06-14 15:54:22
2012-06-14 15:55:32
2012-06-14 15:57:07
well thanks IEM for supporting 1.6 this long and yeah sad but true this is gonna effect 1.6 very badly :(
2012-06-14 15:58:07
Fucking idiots they turn down the best game ever..
2012-06-14 16:00:23
its not even close to best game LOL
2012-06-14 16:16:27
shut up and go play lol kid
2012-06-14 16:25:40
Expected. After Quake that was the point of the death of FPS.
At least we have seen that there's no game which could replace CS1.6
Maybe CS2 in the future..

Post edited 2012-06-14 16:02:54
2012-06-14 16:00:45
Dear Carmac

"For a truly global project like ours, with events on four different continents and many different countries, we require game titles with professional players and teams from all corners of the world."

If you're going to pick up CS:GO even it hasn't evolved any kind of international (!= USA) community nor a professional scene just by its own qualities (no financial enforcement), then go and hang yourself for lying to us.

Today's esport is full of elf-crap and fucking boring asian-games. No Quake, no UT, no CS. Fuck this shit.
Those so called "successors" like CS:GO are just a shame. There wouldn't be any kind of professional esport-scene in Europe without the original CS and games like CS:GO are only concerned as "esport-titels" because of their names. You wouldn't even think about playing CS:GO competitively or building about a professional scene if it wouldn't be named Counter-Strike.

But obviously retards like you won't realize this until esport lost its meaning as a professional competition and turns into some marketing-gag driven by every-week-changing casual games.

You still didn't understand esports biggest problem: the addiction to game-developers. Instead of investing in esport's future (by supporting project like CSPromod) you're getting abused for pure marketing (think about the past 12 years and then tell me again Valve would care about esport for any other reason than free publicity).

2012-06-14 16:04:19
I reccomend you to follow gooseman - 1 of 2 creators of CS - and see what he's developing.
True games made to satisfy and entertain, not comercail purposes. Right now his project is Tactical Intervention, wich seems to bring us the funny moments we had with Quake, UT and CS.
2012-06-14 16:15:36
2012-06-14 17:19:40
I don't know if you edited it but this is a masterpiece! This is Counter-strike!

2012-06-14 16:35:15
No,IEM, the people who just took it off the circuit did.
2012-06-14 22:06:42
Very nice movie and in the same time it is a shame to make such a movie and then just they take out probably the best game ever of the circuit what a condradiction. I do not think cs 1.6's time has already come to the end.
2012-06-15 10:46:05
2012-06-14 16:09:09
So they are going to use shitty CS:GO(yep, own the beta and played it several times.) or another game like CoD or they will only use LoL, SC2 and Dota2 now. 3 Games I HATE. No more esl premium for me ^-^
2012-06-14 16:11:27
2012-06-14 16:23:57
Blatant money grubbing. ESL boycott
2012-06-14 16:11:32
fuck you Carmac
2012-06-14 16:13:23
Very very sad. It was excepted when people started spamming that CS:GO failing, ofc they lost their hope for Counter-Strike. CS:GO is still failing, and it's going to flop... And we know that. But CS is dying, most of players have gone into LoL or DOTA2...

CS maybe not more popular than LoL but more professionalism and more exciting to watch. I personally love playing LoL but it's not fun to watch. When I watch LoL I only watch tips from Pro's what could I do with champions. So I believe that League Of Legends eSport is gonna die in 1-3 years from this moment and gonna be only casually played. Ofc, we need new game with this happening. That kind of game that gets developers that actually care about community and eSports (same what RiotGames is doing right now) and we know that Valve ain't that developer. So I believe CS is dead for now on because Valve is one of worst game designers in world and I am 99% that they aren't gonna sell CS rights to other people. So we need new FPS game, but with current developers there is no hope.

thanks for your support ESL

Post edited 2012-06-14 16:16:49
2012-06-14 16:14:03
It is like killing football in sport! Do not worry CPL HAS TO COME UP WITH CS 1.6 AGAIN!
2012-06-14 16:15:34
2012-06-14 16:15:56
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ur killing 1.6!
2012-06-14 16:16:24
i wanna die
2012-06-14 16:17:02
Long live cs 1.6!
2012-06-14 16:18:52
From the beta into main title? Seriously? Anyway I hope for high pot for 1.6.
2012-06-14 16:19:29
fuck ESL
They will come back to cs1.6 next season after nobody goes to their shitty CS:GO tournament
2012-06-14 16:19:49
1.6 die
nascence CS:GO
ty 1.6 for 10 years happy...

Post edited 2012-06-14 16:21:24
2012-06-14 16:20:41
now rip cs :'(
2012-06-14 16:21:58
Was kind of obvious that they want to try CS:GO and I'll try it too.
2012-06-14 16:22:38
rip cs
2012-06-14 16:24:18
WCG did the same mistake..Bt they realised!!

Now its ur turn IEM!
2012-06-14 16:25:32
Quite amazing. People commenting with crap before they read it all.
2012-06-14 16:25:47
well that event was the only event worth playing and training for. I guess now most pro cs players won't have cs as their jobs cause IEM was like "The International" for dota2.
2012-06-14 16:26:40
expected. during this year IEM i saw a lot of comments that cs needs IEM to survive. that IEM is all cs 1.6 has left. all we have left now is DH
but for how much longer?

Post edited 2012-06-14 16:30:34
2012-06-14 16:29:03
bitches wanna kill cs 1.6
2012-06-14 16:29:05
last time we had 70.000 spectators and now cs 1.6 is dropped?! I really don`t undersand...
2012-06-14 16:29:37
66.000 + 5000 on a polish stream = 71.000
2012-06-14 16:34:33
yes...over 70k spectators
2012-06-14 16:35:29
rip 1.6
in cs:go we trust zD

Post edited 2012-06-14 16:34:04
2012-06-14 16:30:04
But we dont :S
2012-06-15 18:51:47
cs dead. :)
2012-06-14 16:31:14
Thanks for all the years IEM, it has been a pleasure to watch EVERY IEM tournament that contained CS 1.6
2012-06-14 16:34:20
Now what they gonna feature in FPS title?

COD/BF3? Whose majority of people are just 14-17 and spent there life in there homes and are afraid to go on LAN. :))

What a stupid reason tbvh. Go die IEM.
2012-06-14 16:35:12
There's no FPS anymore in eSports.
CS 1.6 which was holding FPS in eSports has gone like Quake.
Maybe one day fps can return
2012-06-14 16:39:07
That's not gonna happen mate ;)

Either Valve gonna make deal(s) to IEM/ESL to put CS:GO in; or they'll choose COD or BF3.
2012-06-14 16:45:57
It would be worst if Crossfire stands as primary FPS.
2012-06-14 16:53:56
Valve can't make a deal about CS:GO.
IEM has just removed a game which had 70k viewers.
So are you expecting they're gonna bring a game which 80% of this community hated?
Don't count CS:S. Nobody makes a game for get 1500 viewers :)
CS was the only fps game in esports. The others are just made for fun and you can see there's no big esport events for games like bf3..
2012-06-14 16:54:30
Schypher - HLTV.org
COD? Even CS has more players than COD, not to mention that the game isn't balanced.
2012-06-14 18:27:20
2012-06-14 16:35:52
The reason of the cs dead in http://www.hltv.org/forum/158156-why-cs-community-..
2012-06-14 16:39:14
boycott cs:go
2012-06-14 16:39:24
Sad day.. Thanks to IEM for 6 great seasons.
2012-06-14 16:40:03
Valve could've made a deal to get CS:GO in the IEM.
2012-06-14 16:41:54
Season 1 - first and Season 6 - last, won golden five ;)
2012-06-14 16:44:10
The worst desicion ever , CS 1.6 WILL NEVER DIE IF THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT IT!
2012-06-14 16:46:58
man me finally start my pro carrier in cs 1.6 this year and its all gone me bunk my classes for cs :(:(:(:( cs is my life wt i gonna do now
2012-06-14 16:47:55
2012-06-14 16:48:33
gave it 200+ views ;p we should make the video explode
2012-06-14 16:53:19
2012-06-14 16:54:20
2012-06-14 16:54:46
Sad. But the good part of Carmac statement is they have not dropped it entirely means in IEM Europeon Challenge it can be featured.
2012-06-14 16:55:26
I'm going to test Shootmania/CS:GO, something new is always good. The bad netcode of Cs 1.6 makes it unplayable world wide. Communities are splitted up, next games going to be better for sure in case of communities.
Imo new games can become really good too with a mixed community with Cs1.6/Css/CoD/Bf3 and new players.
2012-06-14 16:56:03
first step to kill cs 1.6
2012-06-14 16:56:32
... i cry
2012-06-14 16:56:59
2012-06-14 16:58:05
cs 1.6 live
2012-06-14 16:58:44
Haha, CS community justifying ESL's choice.
2012-06-14 16:58:48
and still, im not shocked at the stupidity of this websites community.

youre all morons for saying you hope CSGO fails. the only way it can fail is by not supporting it, and then you will say "HAH knew it would fail," because youre all idiots.

hopefully they announce CSGO soon, so that way when the top teams in 1.6 transition over, you can shit on them like you have shit on get_right, n0thing and fallen for even hinting that source engine games are good because you all run windows 98 and live in mud huts and are mad that CS Legos is dying.
2012-06-14 17:02:14
u are a CS lego
2012-06-14 17:18:03
"he only way it can fail is by not supporting it,"

.. or by just not being good enough. good games always get people playing them.

I'm using Windows 7, I live in a nice apartment in Geneva(paid by self-earned money) and I play 1.6 cause I enjoy it.
You're just a fat little Americunt who's running mad cause people prefer 1.6 over CSS.
2012-06-14 17:18:43
not really. Im actually just astounded that there is a such a conglomerate of morons who have done nothing in CS 1.6, bash new games that they have not or barely play, hope they fail, and in turn, bash the company and organizers of the largest CS tournaments around.

and for what? Simply because the ESL has decided to evolve, as all businesses must do to survive and be successful. As long as these idiots dont believe a game can be as good as 1.6, then no game will be, because they're so close minded and behind on the rest of the world.

The problem with your "not being good enough" remark is that the developers are trying to make it as appealing as possible to even the most close minded in the community, namely the frequenters of HLTV.org. Even then, they refuse to accept it because they're simply too dumb.
2012-06-14 17:29:22
i play a game because iw ant it/like,couldnt give a shit about evolving or not,if the game isnt good enough then why play it?to make people like you happy?
2012-06-14 17:37:31
actually im trying to make the point that you dont give anything a chance at all, to any extent. lurppis says it sucks, so HLTV.org dick rides him hard, meanwhile almost all the other top teams and players say they are ready ti give it a shot, and you shit on them and treat them like garbage after posting hundreds of times about how awesome they played in that tournament, or how theyre the GOAT, and how you want their config.

bass ackwards

Post edited 2012-06-14 17:43:49
2012-06-14 17:42:15
Na`Vi: we'd rather play DotA 2 than CS:GO
ESC: we'd rather play LoL than CS:GO
SK: GeT_RiGhT has played CS:GO and so has f0rest, that's all.
me: I think the game is bad, not fun, and if it wasn't for the "Counter-Strike" part in its name, it wouldn't even be considered as a successor for CS 1.6

if you make claims like that, can you at least try to back them up somehow?

i would love to hear of some of these "top teams and players" (not called GeT_RiGhT) who say they are ready to give CS:GO a shot.
2012-06-14 21:01:56
coincidentally an interview with the following title is currently in the progress of being posted:

markeloff: "Dont want to play CSGO"
2012-06-14 21:58:50
I'm really hoping for a new CS but after following the development of CS:GO during the past 10 months and giving a lot of feedback I'm really disappointed about Valve and HPE. Not to say I feel tricked by them. This whole "we will work alongside the community and listen to their feedback" was just a lie.

.. the developers are trying to make it as appealing as possible to even the most close minded in the community, namely the frequenters of HLTV.org."

Seriously, how can you still believe in that? Only 1.5 months till release and the game is still far away from being a good competitive team-shooter. They ignored almost every kind of feedback and came up with shit like "the science of fog" ...
I don't even want to talk about it anymore.
"We will release the game when the community says it's ready". Obviously that was a lie too.

Post edited 2012-06-14 17:56:06
2012-06-14 17:52:37
wtf? you havent paid as much attention as you think you have, thats for sure.

I mean, they cancelled the cross platform work to keep the feeling of the game, that was one of the major selling points. Not only that, but there have been multiple patches addressing the issues of fog and detail. They've alotted for enough movement that it doesnt create game breaking exploits like in source. and off the top of my head, there have been at the very least, 10 patches addressing the recoil.

You really need to look at the patch notes closer. Theyve listened plenty, but Im sure because they dont have crouched hopping or crouch peeking, that means they havent listened at all.
2012-06-14 18:02:06
I won't start to argue here cause I already did it on many threads on steamforums and other CS sites and this is the wrong forum for going into details, but let me get two things clear:

1. I know the development of CS:GO very well. I played it a lot (although I never really enjoyed it) and I wrote a detailed feedback after every update.

2. The movement and the recoil are still far away from being "fixed". Especially the movement is still fucked up and noone who's enjoying CS 1.6 will be satisfied with CS:GO's movement. But you're a CSS players, so what do you know about movement...

Post edited 2012-06-14 18:19:51
2012-06-14 18:17:55
Actually I have more hours of 1.6 than source so Id humbly call myself "open minded and real."

Just because the movement isnt that same as 1.6's doesnt mean its fucked up. Just because you cant exploit the shit out of it doesnt mean its fucked up. Just because you cant makes yourself do the parkinsons dance doesnt mean its fucked up, it means its more balanced.

and FYI, theyre still updating movement and recoil via player feedback. Quit flaming for retarded reasons, youre still as inexperienced, biased and uneducated in the development of this game as I thought the first time around.
2012-06-14 19:15:06
Well the thing is CS:GO has taken more of a casual / cs source type of route and 1.6ers are probably a bit mad that valve thinks they know how to make cs:go properly when they didn't even create the most successful version of cs. Nobody complaining about nuke or train? Eh fuck it let's just change the entire maps around?

I can understand developers wanting to be artistic or making something new and fun but why not just make NEW maps and not butcher ones that were already balanced or well liked?

Anyways as far as you saying people don't give cs go a chance more people have not given cs pro mod a chance which in my opinion is the superior game and it can be free to play and with the right backing it could take over 1.6 / cs go / source etc because the people running it actually listen to the community and know that games are suppose to be hard so the skill ceiling can be high.
2012-06-14 18:44:39
If you want to know why cspromod isnt getting a chance, look at this website. I think CSP is an incredible game actually and I think its almost identical to 1.6, but this sites viewers dont share my opinion. The majority of people here think it feels like source for some reason, and that the sounds need to be reverted to 16bit 1.6 sounds as well.

as far as the csgo maps are concerned, i agree with you for the most part, but I think train and nuke are the only real classic maps that are royally screwed.
2012-06-14 19:08:05
There are a lot of people here who are positive towards CSPromod and so am I.

Just search for "cspromod" and read the comments on the latest news. Of course there are always some idiots bitching around but that's "normal", especially on this site.

CSPromod gets better with every update and IMO this project would be gold for CS as an esport-titel.

I fully agree with everything Semphis said. It's a shame CS:GO won't have any new map (only the classics and some 1-bombspot-maps imported from L4D) and the reason why they screwed up nuke and train is just ridiculous (Chet said they deleted the stairs on nuke cause their analyse-software told them they get used very rarely; obv. these guys just don't know how CS is played cause the CTs are now free to completely ignore the outside-area ..)

Post edited 2012-06-14 19:49:46
2012-06-14 19:48:49
CSP is great and I hope something happens with it in the next months, it's almost an identical copy of CS 1.6 on the Source engine.

The problem is that a lot of the users here are very young (<15) and tend to go with the flow of others. Of course there is no reason to change to CSP as long as CS 1.6 is used, but now that is no longer is, it's a different question.

However, as long as CS 1.6 was used by tournaments (and no, graphics are not an issue), there was no reason to think about CSP.
2012-06-14 21:04:45
Schypher - HLTV.org
Yes, CS:S failed because the lack of support from the community, not because the game was bad.

CS:GO might look like a savior but unless Valve drastically changes the game we will never see it at IEM or any other major tournament with huge prize pots.

They blew it when they said they would work with the pros and stated "We will release the game when the community says it's ready", and lied.

They need to delay the game to 2013 if they want to give us a game for the next 10 years.
2012-06-14 18:41:32
who the hell said anything about source? id say the game wasnt as bad as it was incomplete, but thats a tale for another time.

Theres been tons of feedback for CSGO. Pros arent the only ones who can give reliable feedback anyway, and the progress as far as updates are concerned is great, just read the patch notes.

The game doesnt have to be 1.6 to be successful, and this is something HLTV.org doesnt grasp
2012-06-14 19:10:55
If it doesn't have to be CS 1.6 to be successful, why are you concerned over the CS 1.6 fans?

There have been tons of feedback for CS:GO, just not from the pros who (at least the ones who can articulate their thoughts well) are the most experienced and qualified to give it. Reading HPE's own patch notes hardly proves anything.

Clearly the fans of the greatest FPS team game of all time want to stick to the greatest game, not the 35th best one.

If the game is good enough, it will succeed regardless of our community - if it isn't, then it didn't deserve to succeed in the first place. I don't understand the problem there.
2012-06-14 21:07:55
70K specators doesn't seem to be enough for ESL, they just made this decision even before the event. I'm seriously disgusted...
2012-06-14 21:51:17
haha noraj
2012-06-14 23:24:21
Rofl, beware of dropping down from your horse as you seem to be sitting very high..

Many of the current cs pros aren't exactly young anymore so it wouldn't be at all surprising if they decided they don't want to learn a new game, especially if they don't love to play it. It has very little to do with giving the game a chance, but more about other responsibilities making it impossible to put your livelihood in the hands of a new game which gives no guarantee of longer term income.

I can guarantee that when CS:GO is released, a lot of the current 1.6 followers will buy the game and try to play it. They will then continue to play it if they like it. Noone should be encouraged to support a game if they don't like it, it's a hobby in the end of the day. If CS:GO will fail, it will have nothing to do with whether the current 1.6 purists "gave it a chance". The CS name itself will get the majority of current CS followers to buy and test it, but whether the game succeeds longer term will be decided by the quality of the game. If Valve fails to make it good, it simply doesn't deserve a place in the eSports world.
2012-06-15 20:58:49
cs go hum...
what people do for money
2012-06-14 17:02:21
Stupid decision, the last season (IEM6) CS got more viewers than SC2. There's no FPS that can replace CS atm. Fuck this

Post edited 2012-06-14 17:05:48
2012-06-14 17:05:30
+1 - retarded decision.
2012-06-14 17:07:29
Major League Gaming Delivers Largest North American eSports Event

More than 4.7 million unique online viewers over the weekend
More than 2.2 million unique online viewers on Championship Sunday
437,000 peak concurrent online viewers
More than 5.4 million hours of video consumed
More than 20,000 in person spectators

2012-06-14 17:08:56
ok, but the problem is that they are 14-16 year old kids... :/
2012-06-14 17:19:36
and this community acts like 15-16 year old kids. whats your point? theres also players like n0thing and colon who are, or were that age and cheated at the top level. Youre gonna honestly tell me that CS 1.6 age bracket isnt the same? The top players on SC2 and LoL are the same age as those who play CS 1.6, with the exception of the Neo and co.
2012-06-14 17:35:48
here are a lot of kids, agree, but I think here the average is higher than there
2012-06-14 18:12:34
how is that a problem? do you think only 30 year olds watch 1.6?
2012-06-14 17:40:05
not 30 year olds but nobody young is playing the game... its like people trying to host a tetris LAN 20 years after it was made, only the people who played it when it came out and for afew years after that will watch or even go.

a new game brings millions of new players, hundreds of "top teams" instead of 3-4 teams winning over and over every single year.
2012-06-14 17:58:31
i know lots of kids around 13/14 years old starting now playing cs in portugal : )
2012-06-14 19:27:35
yeah thats the point of a new game isnt it? Getting new "kids" to play it. So I don't know what that guy above means by "problem".
2012-06-14 22:22:30

Post edited 2012-06-14 17:07:54
2012-06-14 17:07:41
Don`t watch next season. They`ll see what they lose
2012-06-14 17:07:55
6 month later ...
We Changed our Mind and will not DROP bomb sorry Cs1.6 , wait for NEXT season ...

Post edited 2012-06-14 17:11:19
2012-06-14 17:08:40
2012-06-14 17:09:13
only CS 1.6 only hardcore
2012-06-14 17:14:07
OMFG ! cs 1.6 is a king
2012-06-14 17:15:44
I don't get why are you all blaming them. I know this sucks, but cmon. At least be thankful for moments they gave to us.
2012-06-14 17:20:09
2012-06-14 17:20:29

sad :(
2012-06-14 17:20:37
I find it ironic that these companies, like Dreamhack, ESL and other major corporates makes millions every event but cannot hold a major tournament for the community/game that basically made them.

Fuck you esl and have a nice day

Post edited 2012-06-14 17:23:04
2012-06-14 17:21:47
I find it funny that a billionaire like you can't host 1.6 events ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2012-06-14 17:25:16
clearly you have no business experience. Im sure renting out 10s of thousands of square feet of room space, streaming to millions of people and promotion, along with much else must be super cheap, so im sure they can just chop 100k out of a defined budget and give it to 12 year old games.
2012-06-14 17:32:54
Ever heard of deals and partnerships with companies and the county?
2012-06-14 17:49:43
Yes I have, and thats my point. CS 1.6 is obviously not bringing in the sponsors, deals and partnerships that they needs to make hosting it worthwhile, when they can add new and better marketable games
2012-06-14 17:53:54
2012-06-14 19:07:25
2012-06-14 17:23:30
Dare_Dev1L - HLTV.org
I will miss Joe Miller lol
2012-06-14 17:24:49
Haven't seen him cast Counter-Strike 1.6 for a while? Except for these German matches that are totally uninterested for everybody else.

He's a League of Legends fanboy.
2012-06-14 17:30:47
Dare_Dev1L - HLTV.org
Then, I will miss the old JoeM lol, the one who would take his shirt off and write "esahara :(" on his shirt :P
2012-06-14 18:00:13
what im going to miss from IEM besides the emotions, is Joe's stream :C

2012-06-14 17:28:01
Golden Five won.
2012-06-14 17:32:13
omg. IEM RIP for me
2012-06-14 17:32:49
fak of
2012-06-14 17:35:11
2012-06-14 17:37:03
IEM big failure
2012-06-14 17:43:54
if i get it right, they canceled it because there is still the same teams from same countries ? if this is the main reason, i guess that in next one or two years here will be lot of new teams from all around the world, so i think that 1.6 can get the main title back :)
2012-06-14 17:51:13
damn this is so bad for cs1.6, i think there r 10000 or more hltv users, so why not all of us donating 10dollar each/every year? it will be 100k tournament from public choice?

i love this game so much and i really really want to contribute to keep this game alive? but i alone cant do it, so if we stick together we might succeed, i wish hltv comes up with some sort of program which collects the donation for cs1.6 tournament i would surely donate some

edit: sorry i added too many questions.. bad english :(

Post edited 2012-06-14 17:53:57
2012-06-14 17:52:46
True story.Plus we could have sponsors,and all the money from sponsors for next tournament,maybe a share for hltv staff if they want to organise the tournament
2012-06-14 17:55:37
and moreover if a public collects the money for the cs tournament it will be the greatest hit and story in the gaming arena
2012-06-14 17:59:12
2012-06-14 18:01:25
You truly believe everyone will give 10$ lol ?
2012-06-14 18:55:40
-1, even though i fucking love this game, i wont pay $10 =/
2012-06-14 19:27:11
WHAT A SHiiiiiiiiiiT
2012-06-14 17:54:11
2012-06-14 17:54:36
lets just pray for a strong comming back with CS:GO !
2012-06-14 17:57:35
I think its smart by them to do this, I love 1.6 and I love watching it but its just not enough people who is entertained by it anymore. And look at our pro's we only got a couple of team left and they are all to lazy to support the community. If we would have had the same amount of streamers, entertainers in cs 1.6 1-2 years ago like sc2 has now I think cs would still be big. But it isnt.
2012-06-14 17:57:44
cs is still one of the most played games.ESL you suck.

Post edited 2012-06-14 17:58:41
2012-06-14 17:58:28
2012-06-14 18:09:27
maybe most played... but it sure as hell isn't close to most watched anymore as well.

Because gamers would rather play games than sit down and watch tournaments.

Blame yourselves, look at LoL and SC2 their averages are almost at 100k viewers at any given tournament. What's 1.6? Lucky to get over 15k.
2012-06-14 19:02:59
we had over 70k specs last season iem,why all the hate because of 1.6?you suck at it we know it but dont state facts that doesnt correspond to the reality
2012-06-14 19:26:07
70k was only the final. over the whole tournament i think they had 150k,, (could be wrong)
2012-06-14 20:21:57
"You built the foundation for eSports as we know it today." This statement is so true. Counter-Strike was one of the founding games of eSports, and certainly the game that brought eSports in the mainstream. Its the longest running fps in eSports that still holds massive popularity in pubs. Always #1 on steam's most played games stats even after so many years. CS has revolutionized the PC peripheral market as well. Mice, keyboards and mousepads have become a huge business because of cs gamers.

Post edited 2012-06-14 17:59:52
2012-06-14 17:59:27
2012-06-14 18:42:43

Atm 1.6 i third, So allways first....
2012-06-14 18:52:21
very bad news :[
2012-06-14 18:03:07
Well.. Finally!
2012-06-14 18:07:47
2012-06-14 18:10:08
2012-06-14 18:11:54
We're lucky IEM has been supporting a shitty and dead game like 1.6 for so long...

they've had far more success with SC2 and LoL in 1 years time than they had with 1.6 in 5 years lol.
2012-06-14 19:01:24
sorry guy but you're in favor of the CS:GO, they will never earn money with CS:GO comparing what they have earned with CS
2012-06-14 19:16:13
1.6 made IEM,dont say bullshit xD
2012-06-14 19:25:22

i hope this brings somewhat tears to all of you !
RIP 1.6 <3 an end is a new beginning
2012-06-14 18:13:25
OMG, IEM ?!! One of the tournaments that i thought wouldn't drop cs until 2014, especially after Season 6....
2012-06-14 18:14:51
Danny D3 - HLTV.org
Do something JoeM!
2012-06-14 18:18:01
sad story.. cs 1.6 in going down
2012-06-14 18:18:10
stupid IEM and ESL. stupid decisions..
2012-06-14 18:18:17
Sad news.. It seems that money is more important than fun..
2012-06-14 18:19:11
Is it really?

You realize pros don't play 1.6 simply because it is fun right?

Games are their livelihoods, just as is for Joe Miller and Carmac. If they spend more money hosting 1.6 than making it's bad business practice.

People need to eat too, you know?
2012-06-14 18:58:37
there are maybe 3-4 1.6 teams that can live only by playing in the last years, most pros have normal jobs, and play more for fun
2012-06-14 20:25:01
2012-06-15 20:33:15
No, they don't, but CS was invented to be fun, not to fill pockets of some lame organizers..

Don't tell me that M5 player are playing for money? They have about 500e each.. I can't see how you can live in Moscow with that money..
2012-06-15 20:36:33
I don't understand, why 77% of users saying: "lol, why, no, omg, loosers esl" and etc? Those 77% won't participate in IEM and other tournaments anyway.
2012-06-14 18:21:45
lol..how dumb,and how do you think that at least 6 seasons of IEM lasted?if there werent any spectators there wouldnt even existed a single season
2012-06-14 19:24:41
u stupid fuck read again what did i write
2012-06-14 19:33:28
because there are never going to be any more matches held at the highest level. Think about it. (frag vids, team news, players to follow, etc)
2012-06-15 05:34:28
IEM 8 Will feature 1.6 back again :) you'll see
2012-06-14 18:22:11
so much denial in europe...lol
2012-06-14 18:23:29
it's amazing huh?

People asking why these organizers/Valve are killing 1.6 need to read the comments in this article alone.

Look how shit this community is, all you see is dumb Europeans going 'burn Carmacs house down', 'hope all ESL die in a fire', etc

it's a pure filth community, no wonder why no1 wants to support CS anymore.
2012-06-14 19:00:11
2012-06-14 19:34:04
It's guys like you that give Americans a bad reputation. Stop embarrassing your self.
2012-06-14 19:37:01
actually, that's one of the smartest comments made by an American I've ever read.

Post edited 2012-06-15 17:38:16
2012-06-15 17:38:03
that is a bad decision!
2012-06-14 18:23:46
IEM really bad chose because CS 1.6 have really many fans and many peoples interesting it really
esl will lose many with this decision for sure because at this moment most interested and played game is CS 1.6, COD and LoL. Better decision is not kick out CS 1.6 but delete this all European, Asia masters etc... and make one or two events in year, example qualifications online and on lan World Championship. It's my opinion and i think esl chose shit way

Post edited 2012-06-14 18:41:19
2012-06-14 18:28:40
ya getting like 20k viewers(if even that for 1.6 is nothing compared to 100k+ viewers for LoL/SC2.

Fan base in 1.6 is shit, as is CSS.

We need CS:GO to unite both communities that way it can be a 1 game statistic instead of a 2 game statistic.

LoL fans are one, SC2 fans are one... there is no LoL 2 or SC1 fanbase(because those games are dead, well LoL 2 isn't real too xD) so the communities are all 1 game united. CS communities are seperated in 2 because both sides are stubborn. Everyone thinks their game is better... 1.6 fans says 1.6 is better, CSS fans say CSS is better..

we gotta all join together and say CS:GO is better and then watch all the events and show support for CS. Stop being stubborn, both CSS and 1.6 are dead, and if you love CS like I do, you will make the switch. All games were shit in beta, CS:GO will improve faster than any CS ever had because for the first time ever valve is involved and asking for pro help.

Post edited 2012-06-14 18:55:06
2012-06-14 18:54:29
you cant consider css comunity as a comunity lo0l0ol0
2012-06-14 19:23:12
why not? You can't really call raging kids (1.6 community) a community too
2012-06-15 17:39:34
there is LoL,dota,dota2,heroes of newerth and soon blizzard's dota, so wtf are you talking about...
And cs:go isnt cs ,its cod/bf mixed with some cs background, nothing to do with our counter-strike.

Post edited 2012-06-14 20:00:59
2012-06-14 19:59:35
CPL=SpawN comeback?!?!? lol
2012-06-14 18:29:07
WHATAFACK!!!!!!??!?!?!?!? WHY?!?!?
2012-06-14 18:40:44
IEM WHY!!!!!!!!
THE BEST TOURNAMENT AND organization of cs1.6
no iem cs die
2012-06-14 18:47:44
Time to move on to CS:GO... about time, should have switched to CSS a while ago.

1.6 is a shit game, always has been.. move on people.
2012-06-14 18:50:54
2012-06-14 18:52:24
a UK'er disagreeing with me... do you guys even play 1.6 there anymore?
2012-06-14 18:56:11
obv troll is obv
2012-06-14 18:52:49
you don't like to hear what I say, so you call me a troll nice.

That's why I rarely read the forums here... ignorant retarded dribbling mess europeans.

Whenever I see what people post on these forums I imagine some autistic kid spitting while talking to me.

2012-06-14 18:57:11
fuck off,your inability to play 1.6 pisses me off,play your graphic stupid games asshole
2012-06-14 19:21:58
JAJAJAJJAJAJ lol uninstall windows plis JAJAJAJJAA
2012-06-14 19:21:25
clearly you get raped in 1.6 and have no skill at all,maybe you will frag more in cs:go but still wont have a positive ratio because the game involves aiming.
2012-06-14 20:03:33
2012-06-14 18:52:03
Here we go CSGO!

Better prizes, greater championships? perhaps.

Give it a chance.
2012-06-14 18:56:24
Another fact that cs is dying.
2012-06-14 18:57:51
2012-06-14 19:00:14
2012-06-14 19:00:45
So this is why we watched awful streams in IEMVI, to support 1.6 and sponsors.... then the organization drops the game... WTF really sad =/
2012-06-14 19:04:10
they prefers ninja fruits.
2012-06-14 19:05:34
Goodbye Carmac
Goodbye e-sport.
2012-06-14 19:11:05
I do not watch IEM ...
2012-06-14 19:11:11
the end cs 1.6
2012-06-14 19:13:58
breaking news, bad day today in CS:

WCG drop CS

http://www.rakaka.se (swedish)
2012-06-14 19:15:12
OMG, sad :(

die ESL, die IEM.

Post edited 2012-06-14 19:18:10
2012-06-14 19:16:51
2012-06-14 19:18:35
2012-06-14 19:24:25
pure conspiration.
2012-06-14 19:20:48
o well,

dota 2 is now taking up my time anyway
2012-06-14 19:20:48
Shootmania, CS:GO, Tribes:Ascend,*insert random crap here*, ESL has a few options.
2012-06-14 19:22:28
cs:go = SHIT =)
2012-06-14 19:22:51
But anyway, CS 1.6 never dye :)
2012-06-14 19:25:20
We still love CS, so fuck u IEM!
2012-06-14 19:25:32
CS 1.6 was dying, we all knew it. Now it is time to make room for CS:GO =)
2012-06-14 19:27:37
mby its end of fps gaming ?
2012-06-14 19:28:12
Have you actually seen the E3 2012? No way FPS games will die. ROFL
2012-06-14 19:37:48
Maybe its the end of Technology!?

2012-06-14 19:39:23
cs dead!!=D
2012-06-14 19:32:55
What is going to happen for you guys when HLTV.org will drop 1.6 ?
2012-06-14 19:34:02
Wont ever happen.
2012-06-14 20:06:06
ok lol.
2012-06-14 21:17:18
Guys, WTF? Just because IEM dropped CS 1.6 it doesn't mean CS 1.6 is dead nor going down. So many ... here.
2012-06-14 19:40:46

It would demand more then 600 posts before we saw the first reasonable reply.

Thank you sir.
2012-06-14 19:45:48
2012-06-14 19:58:55
cs 1.6 is not dead, ofc, but it`s very sad to lose one of the best cs 1.6 championship...
2012-06-14 20:35:10
2012-06-14 20:42:52
and what game replace cs 1.6 , LOL? are you fucking kidding me!!!!!
2012-06-14 19:40:49
no chance IEM to back with CS1.6?
2012-06-14 19:43:11
CS 1.6 dying. CS:GO rising
2012-06-14 19:46:08
It's all your loss. :)
2012-06-14 19:47:38
2012-06-14 19:48:03
The legacy of CS in the Intel Extreme Masters is one of the greatest stories in all of ESL If it is greatest why you drop?
2012-06-14 20:00:01
hey bro
Good Question =D
2012-06-14 20:22:32
good words always , for the fans to not be frustrated with their action and to stay again with their organisation
2012-06-15 09:46:05
Well, everybody could see that coming. No point yelling about how bad Valve and ESL are. I strongly believe, it has to be done. Why?

CS is no fun any more. I saw boasting about 70k spectators during IEM in this thread. But these 70k remain the same, time goes by, there are no newcomers to the game. You blame Halo, CoD and BF for being childish, but, honestly, these are the games where you can have the most fun as a newcomer, they are easy to get-straight-into, they are user-friendly and have nice graphics( let's face it, graphics IS important for players nowadays), CS becomes something too hardcore, hard-to-comprehend. As a casual gamer you'd prefer spending evening playing good-looking CoD instead of square CS.

I never played SC2, for example. I accidentaly saw some stream and took liking to it, having almost no idea what was going on on the screen, simply enjoying those pros play. Now, I am interested in the game and started playing myself.

My city is not big(500k), we have CS and SC2 tournaments roughly every three months. The main difference between two tournaments is that CS tournament is attended by those, who attended them for years, while there is always a bunch of new players in SC2's one. CS came to a standstill, no newcomers, and if it falls(it surely will), let it be quick.

Now, we are given a great opportunity to take CS to the next level. I think, it's disrespectful and ungrateful to blame ESL for dropping CS. I believe, they do it for the sake of e-sports. It's just bigger than one title, and when it's dropped, you have to move on.
2012-06-14 20:03:09
OKAY, i will nv seeeee it anymore
2012-06-14 20:08:53
This is _HUGE_ news for Counter-Strike, Today 1.6 on an international level has died and possibly CS1.6 as an e-sport. It's been a great 10+ years but now its time to look to the future and embrace CS:GO!
2012-06-14 20:09:28
Typical saucer.
2012-06-14 20:17:24
I actually don't play 1.6 or source* but with WCG reportedly dropping 1.6 also I think it's time to accept that CS1.6 has no place in modern e-sports.
2012-06-14 22:39:24
I'm afraid that news will encourage ESC gaming player to retire.
There's too little tournaments left to play profesionally for them
2012-06-14 20:14:15
This is the biggest shit that could happen to 1.6. If the big tournaments replace it with CS:GO, I'm out, no way I will play or watch matches of that crap game.

I sincerely hope that their new main title fails miserably, so they can regret about their decision. I don't even care about e-sports in general, I only care about 1.6, it's the only game that I enjoy, I don't even play videogames.
2012-06-14 20:17:02
frankly, no one cares about your opinion
2012-06-14 21:15:54
haha u mad?? it's a forum, people come here to post heir opinions! does it hurt to read the truth bro?
2012-06-15 04:31:39
let me put it in another way. Opinions are like ass holes! everyone has one..
2012-06-15 11:09:09
FUCK YOU IEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :@@@@
2012-06-14 20:18:28
This is madness!!!
2012-06-14 20:19:46
+ 1.6 - CSS
2012-06-14 20:20:38
i am now sad panda :(
2012-06-14 20:21:47
kidding right?

Post edited 2012-06-14 20:24:17
2012-06-14 20:23:12
go sign up to show that this game is not dead.

2012-06-14 20:27:51
fuckin idiots.. cs 1.6 is the best game of the world!
"of corse, its better to watch girls game or nerds games"*sarcastic*
idiots .|.
2012-06-14 20:28:59
2012-06-14 20:29:27
2012-06-14 20:31:27
But why old this is e-sport cant get it, its all about buisness, Cs 1.6 Can be played with so low pc, I bought my pc 1 year ago and i have 40fps in-game CS:GO, I have 4GB RAM,Graphics - ATIREADON HD 4320 etc. That means i will need to buy new PC to play CS:GO like Cs 1.6 Thats the reason that sponsors are not interesting in this game cuz they dont get nothing actuality they lose. It always like this when 1 game gets so up and they destroy it. They made e-sport, they destroy e-sport its realy sad ofc.

Sorry for my bad english.

Post edited 2012-06-14 20:34:32
2012-06-14 20:33:20
we are still hoping...
2012-06-14 20:35:45
2012-06-14 20:36:24
1.6 didnt die guys(lol),just the best tournament (from reward way) will die ... cya IEM - welcome DreamHack/WCG and manymore ~!

Post edited 2012-06-14 20:39:31
2012-06-14 20:36:58
What can we do if only Europeans are good at it? Asians and Americans should practice to be as good as Europeans are. Shit excuse.
2012-06-14 20:39:00
to unite communities with 1.6 and show matched game not dead as I said heaton cs, die If no it will not ihraty
2012-06-14 20:39:35
Prepare to see revenge.
2012-06-14 20:42:09
ESEA to the rescue!
2012-06-14 20:42:32
I hope so
2012-06-14 20:52:19
ESEA should be in Europe soon, trust me, it'll happen!
2012-06-14 21:10:35
lol esl$$$$$$...
2012-06-14 20:45:12
No 1.6 on IEM? The more I will not watch this tournament!
2012-06-14 20:47:25
i think the next season of IEM,number of guide will decrease :))
2012-06-14 20:49:55
so many retarded comments
cs is a great game but however everything gets older, we have to accept it.
2012-06-14 20:51:02
2012-06-14 20:52:42
Very very sad :\ They should at least pay attention to the community :S
2012-06-14 20:56:32
Why would they listen to a community fueled by hate.... "DIE ESL....burn ESL" etc etc.
2012-06-15 00:58:34
bad news :((
2012-06-14 20:57:48
today we have 1st April or what?

2012-06-14 20:59:12
:D this is fail :(
CS 1.6 will live :)
2012-06-14 20:59:12
So is HLTV.org going down as well?
2012-06-14 21:00:05
They're probably going all in on the casualfest that is LoL. Sad to see such a good era of eSports end with this hunger for casual fans and viewers. You might aswell end your sc2 tournaments aswell ESL, no one watches your shitty production and shitty players anyway.
2012-06-14 21:00:07
this is a sad day for 1.6
2012-06-14 21:04:43
its fine with me :) cs:go is a good game and who cares about crouch hopping and source models.its a game afterall..the greatest thing about this is that we will see heaton potti and spawn playing again :P
2012-06-14 21:11:48
esl speaks just the same language as the sponsors do. quake died wc3 died and now cs 1.6. with these games iem got big hits. i guess i will give AMD another chance in the future

Post edited 2012-06-14 21:18:49
2012-06-14 21:18:39
2012-06-14 21:18:56
fuck esl fuck fuck
2012-06-14 21:21:44
omG is NaVi good :P
2012-06-14 21:23:51
2012-06-14 21:23:57
2012-06-14 21:26:29
lets all never visit esl again, and dont give the much publicity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2012-06-14 21:36:21
Screw 1.6 lets get back to LoL
2012-06-14 21:43:10
wtf, thats so funny, ridiculous! -.-
2012-06-14 21:43:29
go CSP! WE <3 CS

Post edited 2012-06-14 21:47:48
2012-06-14 21:47:01
2012-06-14 21:47:57
its not first april!
2012-06-14 21:50:48
They will regret soon. Ill cheer to next IEM season fail so bad.
2012-06-14 22:06:19
Does anyone have that "never forget" video someone made when the rumor first came up that IEM was going to drop 1.6?
2012-06-14 22:07:43
cs 1.6 is too good to replace him cs:go..
This is all because of money no one is looking only for our own ass is so all over the world and me this is not surprising..
2012-06-14 22:09:48
expecting 43780434307430 threads under the name "cs is dead"
2012-06-14 22:16:45
fuck valve with this f*ucking cs:go
2012-06-14 22:17:55
the cs die because the poople use cheats and desmotived play:(

Post edited 2012-06-14 22:25:51
2012-06-14 22:25:31
gg wp 1.6
2012-06-14 22:30:15
Stop whining kids.If 2 events dropped 1.6 that does not mean it's dead.It's just 2 good tournament dropping 1.6 and it is not even fully dropped.Just play the game,watch the streams and have fun or whatever you plan on doing.There is still tournaments and it could be worse.Dreamhack Summer is in 2 days so let's focus on that make sure 1.6 is worth it and quit whining.Plus how much do you really suffer from cs not being on WCG and IEM NoEurope?It is a rhetorical question don't answer me.
EDIT: Professional 1.6 players undoubtedly are to be blamed for these drops.They make no streams (except few,but still even they rarely) ,and in no way they communicate to fans or help the game,thats for all except Lurppis.
2012-06-14 22:34:23
Omg they still keep cs 1.6 but only at certain regions read plz
2012-06-14 22:37:02
:'( ... fuck this life
2012-06-14 22:37:42
Its the end of hltv.org
2012-06-14 22:46:23
ok... but very saaaad

¬¬ now global offensive? S:
2012-06-14 22:50:55
i hope you IEM close for ever !
wtf? cs was the most watched game at wcg/iem and they quit it? ahahahhahaha nice joke , is not 1 april so IEM wake up Mother******s ! :)
2012-06-14 22:54:34
fucking CS:GO
2012-06-14 22:56:17
epic fail for ESL(fucku)
2012-06-14 22:57:31
WTF...Don't do this.......
2012-06-14 23:07:39


2012-06-14 23:10:56
Are they out of their mind?
CS 1.6 will always be on top of other eSport games, when it comes to competition.

They will lose tons of viewers by this action
2012-06-14 23:13:17
2012-06-14 23:13:20
i dont think that is ESL or WCG fault, if u wanna blame someone blame valve, they are paying the organizers to remove cs 1.6 of the scene, so they kill cs 1.6 to be able to push csgo to the market, they dont wanna lose money again (cs source), so now they know what to do...we are not gonna play csgo, then they kill 1.6 and game over.

Post edited 2012-06-14 23:29:11
2012-06-14 23:27:43
Valve are paying tournaments to drop 1.6?

Back that up with some evidence.... OH WAIT.... you cannot?
2012-06-15 01:04:40
the problem is that u r not thinking like a company... if u wanna sell ur product and there is another old product that is not letting u sell the newone, just cut the oldone and its over... u really think its normal that wcg and iem cut the cs1.6 for no reason even when csgo is not in the market and when almost every 1.6 player dont wanna play csgo? its called lobby work... prepare the terrain to have the best conditions to sell the csgo.
2012-06-15 17:54:51
I don't believe Valve can, at the end of the day they have stated if you want to play 1.6 then you can, if you want to support 1.6 then you can.

WCG was obvious why they cut 1.6, they simply cannot afford to keep supporting the game, that was obvious due to it originally cutting PC Games earlier this year, games like SC2 & LoL bring in far more viewers & sponsorship and costs less in the long term.

IEM had stated previously that they needed to change titles, they have mentioned that it might not feature CS in any way shape or form. It was clear the dwindling support for the game got it cut from the line up.

Once again you have jumped to conclusions and falsely attacking Valve for not having anything to do with it.
2012-06-17 09:48:24
IEM dont be a fool x)
2012-06-14 23:29:05
Really sad , now we will see organisations dropping their teams.
And players retiring.

2012-06-14 23:43:32
And this is the worst part, see organisations dropping their teams and player retiring
2012-06-15 06:09:14
2012-06-14 23:43:36
I dont think many of you would handle a mid-life crisis very well. LuL
2012-06-15 00:04:44
cs died because they got paid to shut it down and make way for csgo

Post edited 2012-06-15 00:15:04
2012-06-15 00:14:39
I suppose this was inevitable, and Carmac's reasons are sound.

We just have to keep turning out high viewer numbers for the EU global challenges.
2012-06-15 00:24:47
:'( :'( :'( so saaaad
2012-06-15 00:33:56
2012-06-15 00:40:12
bad news for iem, cs:go - sucks, valve - sucks, esl - sucks! cs 1.6 forever!!!!!
2012-06-15 00:44:39
this rly sux :S
2012-06-15 00:56:05
my brain hurts
2012-06-15 01:08:53
Today only one thing decides the success of a game as a esports title ... prizemoney / investment from sponsor.

We see a lot of investment in StarCraft, in LoL, and probably soon in DotA also .. and so on.

The reason they are giving for pulling off CS16, doesnt make any sense. With all of the viewers, coverage, exposure there is in CS16, the only thing left that can be the cause of this is either money ESLs is receiving or because CS:GO is in the pipeline.

Will be pretty interesting what other events will do priar to CS:GO launch

2012-06-15 02:13:11
Lol yes of course dropping 1.6 doesn't make any sense, lol!!!!!!!!!
2012-06-17 09:50:55
IEM gonna lose 1/2 of their audience, since they dropped cs, so if we gonna keep it alive and bring a big audience to the tournaments, that still feature cs 1.6, I bet that 8 season will feature cs 1.6, otherwise the tournament will die
2012-06-15 02:23:35
They shuld go to HELL with the politics of removing 1.6!

Its still the king of online FPS multiplayer! And among best most successfull and most stable multiplayer for any investemnet or companies sponsoring it and worrying about its popularity. Your other games will die brutaly in less than 3 years span, i guarantee it. what a fail, Only explanation is MONEY OPPORTUNITY, i dont now where or how. But cs:go and valve probably responsible. What a shitt game and way to ruin your own legacy and creation, shoot yourself in the foot valve, NICE JOB GENIUSES!
2012-06-15 02:24:53
Gonna miss CS @IEM :(
2012-06-15 02:26:06
Don't know about you guys, but for me I don't think that CS:GO has what it takes to be played professionally. After trying the beta CS:GO, I am still convinced that this game is for sure not fit for the competitive scene, at-least for now.
2012-06-15 02:28:10
"This means that if CS 1.6 will be featured at an event, it will only be for certain events where it is a perfect fit for the Intel Extreme Masters locally." stop crying guys, there will still be cs.
2012-06-15 03:27:51
WTF&#65311; The news broke the hearts of all men

If you do it , I am sure the ratings will decline&#65281;&#65281;

2012-06-15 03:39:31
As long as we have the ten person&#65292;we can r3 &#65281;
CS 1.6 it is the most i love
Nothing can replace it&#65281;
2012-06-15 03:50:53
nice, finally this old crap game dies
CS:GO is the future
2012-06-15 03:54:25
hehe thats why we had to watch those shitty streams instead of HLTV, to support the community, right? nice job, suck off your money shitfaces
2012-06-15 04:09:01
RIP 1.6
2012-06-15 06:00:19
This is definitely the worst news about CS 1.6, i don't know who are behind this, valve, ESL and WCG thanks for support this epic game for many years, but if CS:GO gonna replace 1.6 is time to stop watch games and support

2012-06-15 06:21:44
play lol, gg
2012-06-15 06:48:41
... no ty
2012-06-15 07:16:23
They have ten million cser in my conuntry.If IEM drop cs.WE will drop IEM.
2012-06-15 07:29:26
Do it!
2012-06-15 08:05:08
DO IT GUYS!!! Let's do it all together!!!!!!!! all countries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's drop IEM if they drop CS 1.6!
2012-06-15 08:31:16
best post ever
2012-06-15 11:10:03
what do you mean by dropping IEM ?
2012-06-15 11:11:11
Valve & ESL, are you crazy??? your CS:GO is real, undisputed, compeletely s**k!!!!!!!!!!!!! and forget about popularity of IEM.
2012-06-15 08:19:44
Put this to rest.. CS:GO will never be as good as 1.6, like the HLTV admin said I like CSS more than I like CS GO and that says a lot... cs 1.6 is the best game ever made because it does not take away from game play with graphics and stuff, its a Raw FPS game where your team work and aim is tested to the max unlike new games where the player can blend into the map, games now days are made for (and for a lack of a better word) Noobs, people dont want to put in the time and hard work to become the best they would rather pick something up and be good at it with basic motor skills.. thats the problem, CS GO will only get some place if they make it free to play and run 1mill doller comps bar that if 1.6 is getting kicked and css sucks cs go will crash and burn ( i can not play more than 5min) on cs go its shit..... I think IEM has lost there minds on dropping 1.6 and all I can say is i hope CPL picks it up with the comments on the CPL website 90% of people want 1.6 in some shape.
2012-06-15 08:30:27
when no1 will watch their shitty games they will bring back cs :D
2012-06-15 08:32:36
2012-06-15 08:33:38
PS: they think 1.6 is dead around the world it's because they are stupid it has nothing to do with the game being dead... look at everyone on this website all over the world from Australia to india, china hell some flags i dont even know :P, the problem is not that 1.6 is dead but that other teams (and i am talking about Australia because thats where i am from) dont have the money to fly to the EU every month to play events because of lack of backing in AUS in eSports as a whole... people need to understand this.. in my team I have the best CS 1.6 team in AUS right now and if we had the cash i would be flying my team every month to play an event...
2012-06-15 08:34:37
-best game +some shit game = nice idea esl..really

2012-06-15 08:48:14
ESL always were shit a0nyway.

"Gimme money fuck gamers organisation."
2012-06-15 09:31:57
7 IEM season I will not watch the principle let see matched GO sucks.
When the championship was held at 1.6, prize them somewhat back through advertising, views, youtube
We believe in 1.6
2012-06-15 09:48:19
classic comments up in dis
2012-06-15 10:41:42
fuck ESL ! Counter Strike 1.6 will neve die for me ! not over some stupid CS:GO !

Post edited 2012-06-15 10:55:39
2012-06-15 10:55:05
q_q more users..just play cs:go not a big deal both of them are just GAMES Jesus . and i'm playing cs since december 17 2001 :)
2012-06-15 11:18:24
why should we play a game thats already broken?
2012-06-16 01:55:48
no one should play anything. its up to personal preference. as i said i play cs since 2001 and i'm not negative to change a game. heaton and potti will so why shouldnt i? :P
2012-06-16 12:57:26
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
2012-06-15 11:28:38
it was a good run mates, but every good has to come to an end. Too bad they arent working on CS2 and CSGO is just a cash cow to get players from source to buy the same game with a bit of a makeover.
2012-06-15 11:47:55
Hi mates.

I'm from CS:S, and played 1.6 from 2002 to 2004.

Would you, you guys from 1.6, switch for CS:GO ?

2012-06-15 11:50:40
2012-06-15 15:07:34
they won't. 1.6 community cannot adapt.
2012-06-15 17:41:41
it's not that they cannot, they just won't.
2012-06-19 20:51:03
FU ESL _!_
2012-06-15 12:26:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-_sbGYTwsU&fea.. Global My Ass BITCHYS
2012-06-15 12:41:34
we need cs1.6
2012-06-15 13:14:19
fuck this shit
2012-06-15 14:14:41
**cough** stupid move. they are going to lose thousands of C.S 1.6 because of this. I dont say that because I am a fan , I say this because this game is the most popular online game around the world. Anyway I hope that this move won't affect the rest of CS 1.6 tournaments.
2012-06-15 17:42:24
this move 4 sgure will affect resto of cs 1.6 tournaments. begining the end off era. :(
i think GameGune will be the last big tournament
2012-06-15 18:15:56
ASUS Winter.
2012-06-15 18:28:57
Yes. I am quite sure too. But I still CS 1.6 will not die so easily. I mean , fnatic , SK , ESC , NAVI , LIONS etc are organisations of gaming! They will not give up on this game so easily!
2012-06-15 23:20:06
cspromod instead?
2012-06-15 18:28:22
1.6 created this events, not the other way arround. 1.6 will live forever. CS:GO is shit, it won't replace 1.6
2012-06-15 20:23:48
2012-06-15 21:31:53
i dont understand this one, there will be GC events but not iemGF?
2012-06-15 21:46:30
2012-06-15 22:12:24
at least in brazil the cs fans and players are still very active.
Brazil is not in europe so... ELS fail!

2012-06-16 17:07:25
So sad for 1.6. IEM was perhaps the most fun tournament to watch
2012-06-16 20:22:26
2012-06-16 23:19:09
Is this the beginning of the end?
2012-06-17 00:09:32
hahaha #fail
2012-06-20 12:33:30
burn in hell, iem.
2012-06-21 20:40:43

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