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Following FireCore 4, ColdGame players and FireCore owner Karl Batson have shared their stories of what turned out to be a disastrous event in which cheating took place and prizes were surprisingly lowered.
Yesterday, ColdGame spoke to fragbite.com about their trip to the FireCore 4 event, sending some surprising criticism in the organizers' direction. Broken promises of prize money and accusations of a tournament official cheating stood out in particular.
Playing against a team in which FireCore owner and tournament administrator Karl Batson was on, ColdGame had noticed that something fishy was going after a couple of rounds into the game.
Players of ColdGame fragbite.com have talked to said they thought it was highly unprofessional of a tournament official to use illegal third-party software in their game, but they did not care as they won the encounter 16-2 and wanted to go home.
The team progressed further into the tournament, ultimately losing to Free Agents in the grand final. A second-place finish was originally said to award them $930, but instead the team received $450, only to have it taken away from them shortly after.
This was reasoned by that four teams who had signed up for the event did not show up. According to ColdGame, teams with other tournament administrators in them had not paid entry fees either.
Moreover, the tournament officials informed the team after the final game that $78 would be deducted from their prize money because they were given a discount on the entry fees.
This came as a surprise to ColdGame, who had spoken to the organizers beforehand about their lack of funding. According to the team, the organizers said they would be able to help them out, but they were not given the impression of prize money deduction.
The $450 that was given to ColdGame for a brief moment was used to pay Free Agents for their first-place finish. The organizers argued that ColdGame will receive $310 through wire transfer.
Fragbite.com furthermore reached out to Karl Batson, who sent them a lengthy letter earlier today. Batson, among other things, explains that Neil "Neil_M" Murphy was the organizer of this specific event and that he let him use the brand for sponsor purposes.
Speaking on the cheating incident, Batson says it was nothing serious, but admits that it was an unprofessional act.
"I was not aimbotting I had wall hack on and off throughout the game vs ColdGame, I did not cheat to try and win and yes it was for fun and the people who were watching behind me seemed to find it funny. I did not try to hide it and at the time most of ColdGame seemed to find it funny too, they still won 16-2 and also my team had 2 players who had not played CS in 6 years, 1 player had not played in nearly a year. I did not cheat against any other team.
I know this is unprofessional and I appologise if anyone has taken great offense to these actions."
On the topic of the prize money, Batson affirms ColdGame's statement that teams with tournament officials in them had not paid the entry fees, thus lowering the entire prize pool.
"UK LAN events have always been based on how many teams turn up. We had 4 teams not turn up to this event; but this was not the main source of the problem. Neil had let other people either play for free or at a discounted price. This of which he failed to tell me."
Batson goes further into the details and figures in the letter sent to fragbite.com. Read it by clicking here.
French side iGamerz took third place and were rewarded $155 for their efforts. Although Murphy was supposed to be in charge of the prizes, Batson ended up spending his own money.
On a concluding note, Batson writes:
"I went downstairs back into the LAN centre to pack my stuff up at 01.30 AM and bearing in mind I had 3 hours sleep over the weekend and a 4 hour drive back home and work at 8am for a 12 hour shift I was getting more angry and upset. I couldn't lash out and hurt people with my anger as that isn't the right thing to do, instead I got so angry I broke down, could not fight my tears and all this because of someone elses fault and that my company has pretty much went bust now and the ideas and plans I had in the near future I more than likely would not be able to go through with."
To read Batson's entire letter, please refer to fragbite.com.
I mean events have sponsors for this exact reason. Someone needs to pay!
dead to haxorzs
Post edited 2012-08-08 23:32:02
This kind of thing actually puts the UK LAN Scene in jeopardy and could cause UK eSports to continue going backwards.
No, if it wasnt for cash then yeah fine but people paid money to go to the event, they paid for a tournament, and then the admin decides to cheat, it is morally wrong and is about the same as me saying to a customer at work, here's your TV but you have no remote and no leads for it despite being advertised for
I don't call it a joke, I call it blind stupidity. You can have fun in a game WITHOUT cheating you know?
We can (from now and on)say that : Moroccan CS SCENE > UK CS Scene (fuc*ing cheaters)
he wasn't supposed to be involved with the money and got short notice on computers/monitors being missing that resulted in people playing 60/75hz vs 120hz and some on their own computers, but he got the lan played out without much delay given the issues he faced and that was what he was originally there to do, nothing more.
Basically we screwed up, ColdGame will get their money in 2 weeks time. I appologise to everyon who has been affected by these scenes over the weekend.
Once we have resolved this and paid ColdGame; myself, Neil & FireCore will not be involved in any more LAN events.
The article I posted is somewhat not accurate. Neil did help to organise some PCs and some admin work but the vast majority of the overall work was done by myself and I should not discredit Neil in this matter. How ever the main concern is the money and not the bickering between us both and like I say we will resolve this matter.
Once again my appologies go out to the gaming community and also SteelSeries who were a great help with their involvement in this event and by no means should they be effected by the unforseen events that took place over the weekend.
Then I read about cut of prizemoney and I was on the floor. Pathetic
When I was there I remember you telling me that Neil hadn't even turned up yet and stuff.
Don't put all blame on yourself and stuff because it needs to be shouldered by Neil as well... I don't see him coming out with apologies?
Just keep it up and try to gain your reputation back.
not to mention, that there hasn't been a signle firecore where the prize money promised has been the prize money given.
but its funny how innocent blubs makes himself look.
You can't know the full story if you weren't there to see it :/
Why do not give the money back of the registration after this big joke/fail ???
Post edited 2012-08-09 00:10:59
Webone saw that you fucked us once time you started your next match.
In fact, we only saw it on nuke when zaK was on-fire...
I am not complaining about loosing you even if zaK was not in your original line-up. We should have beat you and we don't, congrats.
But I am complaining on the way the match was started:
- You forced us to set-up in 15 min but you were playing on computers that you set-up 1 match ago
- We didn't had any time for briefing on any maps: Blubs was always behind us to tell us "go go go let's start". But when fire agents was setting up their computers before playing against iGamerz, they took like 1 hours and no one was forcing them to start, am I wrong?!
- You have never asked us if we were allowing you to play with zaK. I think it would be fair to let us know that you had changed lineup, isn't it?
Post edited 2012-08-09 10:33:36
We run LANS on cash prizes based on how many teams ATTEND the lan. I've always said prizes IF 16, IF 20 teams etc. We only had 12 fully paid teams in the end as 3 teams didnt even tell us they were attending.
We got 15 teams at FireCore 3 in London and paid out mostly all the money we said we would because we got the amount of teams we wanted.
My intention on running LANS was to give UK a FUN lan to play for. Wasnt that big of a deal with some decent cash for the people in the top3.
Me and blubs gave ourselves free entry and paid for travel up. Surely we deserve SOMETHING for doing the LAN? You reckon any LANS do it for nothing at all? no.
The LAN was meant around £1850 in prizes if we got 16 teams. We had 13 teams + my team didnt have a 5th because bomber dodged and MaTzz couldnt attend the 2nd day. thats -£80 straight away.
Onscreen did my servers. That doesn't come free since he spent Wednesday and Thursday doing them servers/HLTV.
blubs didnt pay and rose stepping as a last second sub. I don't think its fair to ask her to pay because the end of the day we do UK lans for FUN and its better then having no team at all and being another £120 down from the other 3 members?
Also ColdGame not payin the £50 thats more money from the pot gone.
I had to give small discounts for people bringing PC's aswell as i only found out i was only getting 10 PC's from the LAN centre 7 days before the event,
So thats at least £1000 from the LAN gone. that makes about the £800-900 that was paid out at the event.
I will be paying coldgame from bank transfer on the 20th or 21st this month.
So that = £1100 after the 20th of this paid out. £700 short on what was meant to be paid. £600 for the 3 teams not attending. Coldgame £50 and Rose and my 5th not coming. thats over £700. So saying we've screwed over people and pocketing money is complete bs.
The only thing i've personally gone wrong is not putting 100% into the LAN. I've my reasons which i have spoken and said sorry to blubs as he did a fantastic job running it smoothly.
Post edited 2012-08-09 00:01:26
"You'll need to pay me for a full interview you little nerd. Now put that on your site i've nothing to prove to some random site"
That really shows the true nature, you'r just a boy that failed miserably.
Post edited 2012-08-09 10:46:53
>spewing all this bullshit from a fake account
Nice one Neil
They're way more serious than HLTV.org, community-wise, anyway.
"Now the £200 was to be paid via bank transfer/paypal and the reason for this is that Neil had used the money he received in deposits from teams/players to pay for his house deposit as he has just moved to London for his new job. "
Nice one dude
+ you should have made Kurtis pay 3 or 4 times for playing on all those different teams!
Anyway, your tournament is a fucking joke when admins wallhack and having a ball. Hope that you won't announce a new LAN ever again.
Post edited 2012-08-09 00:22:57
So please, don't being so mad. They had fails, but not so hard to closing events. There are small number of them before CS will die.
But I hope, "dying" it is another bullshit like was when source was announced! ;D
First off, he really didn't treat this situation in a professional manner, but instead he did it as a kid who's trying to skip class by lying to the teacher saying he's gotten a bobo.
The fact that he's still trying to cover up the bullshit he pulled off is proof of it.
Dude, neilman, leave your personal shit out of the organisation.
A house deposit? REALLY? You need to learn how to prioritize you giant manchild.
I understand that fragbite can "oversize" matters sometimes, but that's something all news/community sites do. EVEN HLTV! It's JUST their job and atleast they're doing theirs.
How about you start doing yours?
Post edited 2012-08-09 00:29:48
Is he lying?
There are always unpredicted things, any organizer knows that and usually put aside a % of the budget just in case.
Maybe you wanted to please the community by putting the maximum cash as prize, but I guess it was a bit too much.
There are not so many events in the UK, so I'm a bit sad you guys had troubles with this one, keep up, and avoid the common pitfalls !
Post edited 2012-08-09 10:19:14
"You'll need to pay me for a full interview you little nerd. Now put that on your site i've nothing to prove to some random site"."
Post edited 2012-08-09 10:45:48
And since you are 22 yo and probably considered as an adult by the rest of the world I'll give you an advice, when you do something wrong don't make up some bs-excuse like the "it was only a joke" you have done here twice. That will only make you look like a 12 yo.
Post edited 2012-08-09 00:00:58
Post edited 2012-08-09 00:13:47
"You'll need to pay me for a full interview you little nerd. Now put that on your site i've nothing to prove to some random site"
Don't try to pretend that you're somewhat important, you're just a fucking clown and don't even deserve this post, jesus christ.
Post edited 2012-08-09 00:27:48
Post edited 2012-08-09 00:25:01
I'm not qq'ing but just saying that neils attitude is the reason why the CS-scene is a joke.
"After arguing for almost half an hour I gave iGamerz £100 of my own money just to get them to go other wise I would of done stuff I would of regretted. "
Post edited 2012-08-09 01:01:13
I enjoyed CS part, really.
so you think this is a joke hu? motheee
both Batson and neil_m are absolute retards!
shit happens hope u still won't give up from the CS Scene and ur company also i've read that u are leaving it but lets still hope not i still want u where u were 'head' of ur company.
he know that he would loose so he cheated for fun sadly u retards took it way serious and the one from dudutt that post this must suck his own dick what a shame and im sure they did it cuz they lost to FreeAgents.
Post edited 2012-08-09 00:52:03
Couldn't careless if it was against FreeAgents, ColdGame,iGamerz. He still got such bad manners to start the wallhack.
I'm sure that if they started to "QQ" and make a scene you guys would have HELL OF ALOT more problems. Believe it or not but they actually did you guys a favor. Goddamn you guys are UNPROFESSIONAL.
Let's see, they are at an event with alot of people, they have an "image" that they have to keep because they are there REPRESENTING a company. The way you guys represented yourselves is just absolutely absurd.
*Edit: Then please refrain yourself from trying to speak on their behalf like you did on several posts, it could give the wrong impression.
Post edited 2012-08-10 19:23:06
Because of such organisations/organisators CS is still alive... DON'T FORGET IT!!!
and i would like to thank firecore for organising tournaments! without it I wouldnt have met the love of my life Jabz <3
It's because of people like this that CS is dead. Ofcourse it was gonna die sooner or later but yeah, it's a miracle that the game lasted so long with the bullshit that's always going on with the tournaments and other organizations.
neil_m, you surely are a shame to UK's CS and don't trashtalk about events that ALWAYS paid the prize money to the respective winners... get some treatment, dumbass
This guy trashtalked about a cup which staff was ALWAYS professional. foreign teams said they were always treated well.
then he does this bullshit and even has the guts to try to justify such unprofessionalism and childish behaviour by saying that they cheated for fun, they didn't pay because there weren't all the teams... that's just bullshit and he won't gain anything by being rude
I think the whole Lan was a misunderstanding really, though you should have told the teams that if not all teams would attend, then you cant pay full prize money.
Try to do the best out of the situation and stop harass Fragbite please, i mean really? I don't see what the site have done to you? it's not like they have done your situation worse..
Anyway, good luck in the future and learn from your mistakes.
EDIT: The discussion got a bit out of control too, why do it to a big thing? Lets just hope that you will actually pay them the money you owe.
Post edited 2012-08-09 01:31:29
I think they did that though?
As far as the CS goes, it went smoothly and there were some good matches between decent teams. They'll get their prize money sooner or later and blubs cheating at LAN is super standard. Sincerely doubt he was trying to cheat his way to the final.
Post edited 2012-08-09 01:40:26
Incase people aren't aware pretty much every event I think I've been to, there have been payment problems. This is nothing new. The only difference is it's harder to hide when you pay cash-in-hand!
What a retard... you are.
Post edited 2012-08-09 01:55:50
Look at this map: http://www.destination360.com/maps/uk-map.gif
UK is, England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland!
The Republic of Ireland is a different country. see: http://www.wfdireland.ie/Documents/Characterisatio..
Post edited 2012-08-09 02:25:27
Post edited 2012-08-09 01:52:25
Its not funny and i hope you will never play again.
They dont play for last 6 years hmm gathers all the time - inuria champs etc.. any way you done shit and you cant clean after you self , you know why- because you shit on you face-well done England!
Sorry For bad english is litle bit late
Now say that UK sux...
UK sucks big time..
at hacks were not allowed in India :D
UK sucks :P
Post edited 2012-08-09 06:44:36
m sure UK people here wont go through as much as we did when IGC failed
your event promised huge amounts of money, and said you where sponsored by BenQ ffs...
at least we didn't lie about sponsors...
let's not make this a competition between who is the most dishonest, because IGC would lose hands down...
the problem is Firecore didnt give what it promised nor did IGC
IGC promised to be much bigger event than Firecore,ofc it failed miserably,gave shitty excuses after the event ended and thats the same thing Firecore organisers did although it was much smaller event
people then were blaming INDIA coz of few retards
atleast no1 here is blaming UK for this
Lets look at the facts here though:
1. this wasn't a very serious LAN and was probably the least serious game of the entire tournament due to who was playing (players who haven't played CS for over 5 years vs get_right and co)
2. He wasn't trying to hide the fact that he was cheating
3. He wasn't cheating to try and win
Everyone who was still there (at 1.30 am) watching the match found it really funny, even some of the CG players were laughing at it and I don't think they really cared at all, they were running round with fun guns half the time too.
Sure, technically it was very unprofessional of him from an outside point of view but at the end of the day it was pretty damn funny to watch and there was no cheating of any kind in any other match.
Regarding swapping players around in teams, I played the quarter final for UKLA because they only had 4 players. After the quarter final I had to go play with Free Agents so they used Kurt1s who had been knocked out of the tournament already. Ohyea also used Kurt1s for the 2nd half of the 3rd map against CG because their 5th player had to go to hospital.
Again, this isn't a mega serious LAN we're not going to force a team to play with 4 players. If for some reason one of the French teams only had 4 on the second day we would of let them use a different last player too.
Regarding the money, it was stated from the start that the prize money depended on the number of teams that were attending the event, perhaps it could have been written more clearly (for the benefit of the foreign teams) but it was stated before the event. If/how much money there was missing I'm not going to get involved with as that has nothing to do with me, but over all the LAN was enjoyable apart from a few delays and I think most people had a good time.
//Wall of text
edit: reply to #266
Post edited 2012-08-09 10:56:42
You've never blatantly cheated for fun in a non-cs game/sport with your friends?
So it's fine to cheat?
Are you actually retarded?
I mean really? Why even bother, why not piss about and do some stupid strats and buy stupid guns, if you want fun, or want to look like its a laugh.
Cheating is a whole different kettle of fish, considering this isn't the first time it's happened before at a FireCore LAN, when an admin has got the cheats out.
And lets be honest it takes the fucking piss when people pay cash to come and play at a LAN for an "admin" to have some "fun" with cheating, I mean, really how fucking special are you guys?
- i understand the player swapping but i can also see how some ppl would get mad
- about the prize money, i thought it was stated that it could be higher if more teams attended. nothing about being lower. but i might have the wrong facts on that
He says he's trying to promote cs1.6 in a positive manner but instead he's doing the exact opposite. What a dickface!
Ofcourse it's not funny, you go their to play seriously, that's what you do with e-sports. He is basicly just shitting on what e-sports stands for.
Look at boxing or bike... it is really a joke...
french and uk scene have both great oldschool players wtf you talking about ?
Same event, notice difference in score^
It's called conspiracy.
i hope we'll the next FireCore up. (Without cheats hihi *let's be serious ain't*)
Post edited 2012-08-09 16:24:02
There was absolutely no chance Blubs team would even get a round vs CG. Blubs used wallhack as a joke which I thought werent right but it was really really funny. I was sitting behind CG during that game and when they realised it they all started laughing and kept laughing throughout the match. I think thats the most i saw them lot laughing the whole event.
I saw Blubs after the game because we had to play vs them and he said to me dont worry I wont use it against you and I knew he wouldn't as it was a joke. For god's sake we beat them 16 - 1 and messed around and we were a mix also.
Blubs did a good job at running the lan in terms of the event games etc. Its sad the money situation got fucked up as now im sure alot of eu teams would not attend any UK lans. Neil and blubs have been trying to keep the UK screne alive and thats the only lans thats left in the UK.
Coldgame raged as I think they were quite sure they had 1st spot guaranteed, and now just making a bigger fuss about it. lets face it some of the best players were in that lineup even though get_right been playing CS:GO lately and not 1.6
Thanks to BLUBS and NEIL for trying to keep UK lans active. As for the cheating in one game it was literally messing about entertaining the spectators. I hate cheaters just as you do but in this case it was funny and CG found it funny aswell.
Hi, Kushagra! LOL!
Hell yeah, I'm drunk. A Thursday night.