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cArn on fnatic and CS:GO
Former fnatic captain Patrick "cArn" Sättermon has replied to a heated discussion in the HLTV.org forum, explaining fnatic's stance on Counter-Strike: Global Offensive.
The thread, which came into existence following a tweet by Sättermon, asked the debaters if they agree with him and if fragbite should "cut down" on the amount of news about the newly revived Ninjas in Pyjamas and Counter-Strike: Global Offensive.
"Quite amused by how easy Fragbite forgot about what made them to who they are, as well as how much NiP/CS:GO garbage they post," his tweet reads.
Sättermon, who has been acting as fnatic's Chief Gaming Officer after stepping down as a player, followed up the tweet by saying, "Previous tweet not to be taken as offence, just my opinion about it all. CS would not be where it is today without Fragbite."
HLTV.org knows that fragbite had an exclusive media agreement with NiP which lasted until yesterday. At least this was what Robin "fifflaren" Johansson told us when we approached him about doing an interview – which he declined due to "how the community treats Source players" and are not accepting of where they "come from as players." He did an interview with Cadred.org two days later.
Explaining his first tweet, Sättermon said:
"I'm simply trying to say that a successful eSport title starts with a game that has a big organic following base that loves playing/watching the game. Obviously this is not the case with CS:GO just yet, the game is yet to be launched and the majority of players has still not being able to give it a fair try."
However, he continues by saying fnatic will pick up Counter-Strike: Global Offensive when it feels right and justified. Until then, he asks that fnatic should be considered a hybrid team.
"I have said it before and for clarification I will do it once more: We at Fnatic will of course transfer into CS:GO when it feels right and justified. Until then we will do our best to "finish" off CS1.6 in the best possible way. Until we commit to CS:GO full-time, please consider us as a hybrid FPS team that is "open for suggestions" when it comes to CS titles."
In a more recent tweet, Sättermon reveals that they have decided on the fifth and remaining player for their Counter-Strike 1.6 team, adding that they will "play several CS versions in the next months."
gl in future patrick !
2012-08-20 10:39:08
O_O
2012-08-20 10:39:59
WTF
2012-08-20 10:41:07
I don't see why cArn should give any explanation, there's nothing wrong/offensive in his words.
2012-08-20 10:42:57
No, however they've been interpreted wrongly by the creator of the thread, that's why he had to answer.
2012-08-20 13:47:12
when will be announced 5 player of CS squad in news departs xizt was info about next week announce but that week is over and not news :D pls when will be announced? thank you for answer
2012-08-20 10:43:32
It's FYRR73 ;)
2012-08-20 10:48:04
no. its Arcadion
2012-08-20 12:36:50
its fyrrte
2012-08-20 13:20:52
"a big organic following base"
wat?
wat?
2012-08-20 10:44:41
http://johnsorganicworld.webs.com/20080917045110Bo..
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2012-08-20 10:53:09
as in people that like playing/following the game.
organic(in numbers)=a lot more than the average game has.
or something like that.
organic(in numbers)=a lot more than the average game has.
or something like that.
2012-08-20 11:21:54
No. It doesn't make sense at all. Obviously it's been badly mistranslated or he's just made a human error. No use trying to justify it, haha. It's just a mistake or mistranslation.
2012-08-20 11:30:40
I think he meant "natural grown".
People who play the game because they actually like it. Not just following some hype or the ongoing "we need to support CS:GO in order to keep team FPS alive!".
People who play the game because they actually like it. Not just following some hype or the ongoing "we need to support CS:GO in order to keep team FPS alive!".
2012-08-20 12:18:39
Games don't work like this anymore... the original counterstrike developed because it was an original FPS game and PC games were not at the forefront of media, let alone Esports even being used as a term. You cannot have a game nowadays without hype and a massive influx of players, its the modern market.
Watching the 1.6 die hards is like looking at a nomadic family that lives on the outskirts of a large city because it refuses to develop and disagrees with anything that is different.
Watching the 1.6 die hards is like looking at a nomadic family that lives on the outskirts of a large city because it refuses to develop and disagrees with anything that is different.
2012-08-20 12:30:54
How about this one: GO players are like the chavs at the pub who drink Foster's while everyone else is having Franziskaner.
Catch my drift? ;)
Stop with the stupid analogies.
Catch my drift? ;)
Stop with the stupid analogies.
2012-08-20 13:23:25
I never said there shouldn't be a hype. It's just important to make sure the whole thing won't end when the initial hype is over.
Don't overrate the role of esports in the gaming market. 99,99% of all gamers are still casual players and unless there's no financial reason to keep people playing their game (like ingame shops, premium stuff, standing orders,...) the game developers don't care about esports. And yes, so does Valve when it comes to CS. The only reason why they started to talk about esports is the free marketing they get from the esports business.
Don't overrate the role of esports in the gaming market. 99,99% of all gamers are still casual players and unless there's no financial reason to keep people playing their game (like ingame shops, premium stuff, standing orders,...) the game developers don't care about esports. And yes, so does Valve when it comes to CS. The only reason why they started to talk about esports is the free marketing they get from the esports business.
2012-08-20 13:40:05
Ofc, and the best way to get free marketing is by flying professional players from Europe for a weeks trip to their HQ in Seattle so they can apply their knowledge of competitive esports to turn it into a casual game.
The game clearly needs more substance, either people adapt and help make the game better faster, or it will take longer with less support. Either way 1.6 won't be coming back, They will simply just ignore FPS altogether (although Shootmania is likely to be played based on its current playerbase of professionals).
The game clearly needs more substance, either people adapt and help make the game better faster, or it will take longer with less support. Either way 1.6 won't be coming back, They will simply just ignore FPS altogether (although Shootmania is likely to be played based on its current playerbase of professionals).
2012-08-20 15:48:50
All these "professional players" were CSS players. People who preferred to play a dumped down version for years.
Ask the 1.6 pro how serious Valve treated their feedback. I still can't see any of the nice things which made the original CS the best competitive team FPS of the past 13 years (and no, I'm not talking about copying 1.6).
I really like the idea of a competitive and a casual mode, but unless a lot of things get changed in the current competitive mode, it's just an "less casual mode" (I won't go into details here, but I will write a blog it in the next days).
"either people adapt and help make the game better faster"
People actually do, but most of the feedback got ignored. Best example is the tracer-topic: There are like 10000 threads on the steam feedback forums and people complain about it since day 1 (for good reasons), but HPE never really cared.
" or it will take longer.."
If we would get a better game I wouldn't mind to wait longer. And that's exactly what Valve promised: "The game will be released when the community says it's ready". When the release date of the new COD got announced, Valve decided to release CS:GO on 21.8 no matter what.
Ask the 1.6 pro how serious Valve treated their feedback. I still can't see any of the nice things which made the original CS the best competitive team FPS of the past 13 years (and no, I'm not talking about copying 1.6).
I really like the idea of a competitive and a casual mode, but unless a lot of things get changed in the current competitive mode, it's just an "less casual mode" (I won't go into details here, but I will write a blog it in the next days).
"either people adapt and help make the game better faster"
People actually do, but most of the feedback got ignored. Best example is the tracer-topic: There are like 10000 threads on the steam feedback forums and people complain about it since day 1 (for good reasons), but HPE never really cared.
" or it will take longer.."
If we would get a better game I wouldn't mind to wait longer. And that's exactly what Valve promised: "The game will be released when the community says it's ready". When the release date of the new COD got announced, Valve decided to release CS:GO on 21.8 no matter what.
2012-08-20 16:18:24
Zerg from Starcraft.
2012-08-20 17:10:52
Nice backflip you tried to do there carn, call the game garbage then say fnatic is open to play it.
2012-08-20 10:48:43
i guess backbones arent all that common in esports after all
2012-08-20 10:53:10
He never called the game garbage. You should take english lessons
2012-08-20 11:01:15
No need for English lessons since the quote is up there for everyone to see.
2012-08-20 12:04:20
He said that they were only talking about NiP/csgo and that it was garbage. He didn't say that csgo nor nip were garbage. Learn to read, learn english, get a brain, and come back.
2012-08-20 12:15:56
So all the posting about csgo is garbage but not the game? riiiight
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2012-08-20 13:43:51
he didnt say cs:go or nip are garbage lol. he said that some of the posts about cs:go/nip are garbage
2012-08-20 15:03:45
You don't understand any english word, don't you?
2012-08-20 20:53:29
You kids are dumb as hell. Read the first part of his quote. Hes obviously talking about 1.6 and how much hes inlove with it. And in the second part hes trashing the coverage of NiP and CSGO. Why would he be trashing these things? Because he dislikes HeatoN and butthurt that 3 of there players left him and fnatic (most recent Xizt) and playing under HeatoN/NiP. And he dislikes GO. Not hard to understand. Back to school noobs.
2012-08-21 08:59:44
Im tired of trying to explain basic english to uneducated 12years old third worlders who don't understand any word i'm writing.
2012-08-21 14:18:23
Oh, and "fifflaren" is right, this site's community treats Source players like they are child-rapists ... it's no surprise source players are reluctant to still join hltv.org
2012-08-20 10:54:25
Well, I don't have anything against Source players but the ones who have joined this community over the last couple of weeks have been a bunch of smug and arrogant shits.
2012-08-20 11:07:58
maybe it has something to do with all those "1.6forever source is shit" posts all over hltv
if you joined a site and all they did was bash a game you love and constantly put you down for playing it how would you react?
Post edited 2012-08-20 17:26:37
if you joined a site and all they did was bash a game you love and constantly put you down for playing it how would you react?
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2012-08-20 17:25:49
I don't think that's a fair judgement. In my book it's ok to say that CS:S/GO is shit - all it does is express the sentiment that you don't like the game. Likewise, I don't mind if people say "GO THA BAST 1.6 SHITZ00R" etc. It's up to them what they like to play and what they don't.
It annoys me when they come here on their high horses and call everyone idiots for not liking GO. And all that populistic hyperbole about "keeping e-sports/FPSes alive" etc. Honestly, just fuck off.
It annoys me when they come here on their high horses and call everyone idiots for not liking GO. And all that populistic hyperbole about "keeping e-sports/FPSes alive" etc. Honestly, just fuck off.
2012-08-20 17:55:26
so youre ok with bashing everyone else for liking a game
but when someone does it to you its unacceptable?
but when someone does it to you its unacceptable?
2012-08-20 18:18:12
when in Rome, do as the Romans do
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2012-08-20 18:48:38
No, I'm not. In fact, I said the contrary.
I said that it's ok to bash a game.
I then said that it is NOT ok to bash others for liking a game.
I said that it's ok to bash a game.
I then said that it is NOT ok to bash others for liking a game.
2012-08-20 19:01:53
i meant that its not ok to bash a game no matter what it is, go or 1.6
if you dont like it just dont play it
if you dont like it just dont play it
2012-08-20 19:45:25
however much to the dismay of the 1.6 community, this site will turn into a source portal soon enough. :)) *helpless*
2012-08-20 19:36:14
I lost a bit of respect for cArn now... Trashing everyone for switching to CS:GO while fnatic is "loyal" and then fnatic switches (most probably).
Smooth... Very smooth.
Looks like Na`Vi are the only one whos word means something with markeloff having 110hours/2weeks in DOTA2 and starix having 33hours/2weeks (and total of 40hours). Even tho I am not fan of Na`Vi at all.
Post edited 2012-08-20 11:13:07
Smooth... Very smooth.
Looks like Na`Vi are the only one whos word means something with markeloff having 110hours/2weeks in DOTA2 and starix having 33hours/2weeks (and total of 40hours). Even tho I am not fan of Na`Vi at all.
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2012-08-20 11:03:31
When did carn trash GO?
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2012-08-20 11:09:19
wtf
2012-08-20 11:10:50
I sincerely would like to know why all this is happening, because they could not reconcile GO 1.6, as was the time of the SOURCE are taking the continuation of the best game that many have seen the Counter Strike 1.6. UNFORTUNATELY ..
2012-08-20 11:15:18
WOW !!!
2012-08-20 11:21:16
GL,CSGO....
2012-08-20 11:25:28
I think he would be better off keeping his bitterness to himself, this all made him seem like a hypocrite.
2012-08-20 11:34:29
Exactly. Probably got told by someone at fnatic to shut his mouth and keep his opinions to himself as hes making the org look bad. Now looks like hes trying to backtrack after all the negative feedback and just makes him look like a hypocrite.
2012-08-20 12:09:32
They only hypocrites are the people who rage because of cArn's tweets.
2012-08-20 12:22:52
he represents fnatic now as management, whatever he tweets will be taken as the opinions of the org, not of carn himself
2012-08-20 17:28:45
that's your own opinion actually
2012-08-20 18:50:53
No thats how it is. carn is being paid to be the face of fnatic so everything he does in gaming is directly linked with fnatic.
2012-08-21 09:01:42
Not really, I'm agree with #74 myself but whether it's correct I honestly doubt it. First, both fnatic and cArn had separate twitter account, second if he want to made a statement to represent fnatic he would've done so in fnatic account, third if cArn mention his personal stuff on his tweet, should we take that as a statement from fnatic? it doesn't make sense.
fnatic =/= cArn
He can have his own opinion.
fnatic =/= cArn
He can have his own opinion.
2012-08-21 17:44:10
fnatic CSP division! :D
2012-08-20 11:41:13
How dumb one must be to do such thing as fifflaren. LOL, grow up, water under the bridge. Like admins of HLTV are responsible for 400k+ users here, most of whom are 14-17 y.o. kids. LAWL.
2012-08-20 11:49:27
Well, hltv admins bashed css and his players for almost 7 years (twitter accounts, forums posts etc). They stopped doing it when they realised that they would need them for CSGO, so fifflaren's reaction is quite normal. But with time, css players will forget that.
2012-08-20 12:20:46
I want to see, srsly, where they - Nix0n and Nomad - are bashing CS:S players. Else its bullshit or some pawns. Anyway - he should man up and get over it - it's in his best intrest to unite the two communites, while hes doing exactly the opposite. Sounds legit.
2012-08-20 14:53:06
I'm not talkin about anyone in particular. Some admins here (i think it was pus and another guy) bashed css and cssplayers on a regular basis on their forum and twitter accounts. So i understand why source players are quite reluctant to give an interview to a bunch of guys who were hostile to them for 8years. But like you said, they'll get over it and understand that it's in their best interest to be kind with the 1.6 community
2012-08-20 21:04:16
what carn want to say is: csgo is really baaad, and those fragbite/Nip parasites trying to hype a baaad brokeen game to earn money playing it by trying tomake some fools give attention to it. Thats just as bad as the bad game they hype
2012-08-20 11:58:06
I'm looking forward to fnatic and ESC switches to GO, i'm sure they'll own at GO too..
And it's nice to see, that they endure to the end.. GL!
And it's nice to see, that they endure to the end.. GL!
2012-08-20 12:11:51
I am starting hating the people :)
2012-08-20 12:12:13
*I am starting to hate the people.
2012-08-20 17:12:10
carn move to CSPROMOD and be the first team who do that.. after you the others will do the same, atleast the majority
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2012-08-20 13:13:07
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2012-08-20 13:14:34
cs:go is not cs 1.6...To much differences.It impossible to do ace 5 hs with usp :D Carn old school player he is right.No community for cs:go .Only fat trolls with stupid thread like this "NIP STRONG, CARN WRONG" dude you even see NIP in action :D
2012-08-20 16:49:48
+1
2012-10-01 23:23:46
all this is happening 4 the money, the tecnology is more advance, to play 1.6 u don't need a i3 or i5 or a video card of 1 2 or 4gb, but whit GO u need a good pc, the best pc, and the GO give hope to sponsor again the game. but the GO never will be 1.6. in fps gameplay 1.6 is the best game ever cuz' the skill that u need to play this game. and the go I see like a better version of CS:S
2012-08-20 19:23:35
GL fnatic !!
2012-08-20 20:08:36
CS GO is for noob players
2012-08-20 21:38:51
I hope they all pick up promod if 1.6 is truly dead... CS:GO = very bad clone
2012-08-21 00:40:40
ok, now I'm a fan of cArn more and more ;)
2012-08-21 11:11:01
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