CS:GO's future in the players' hands
Time: 2012-09-17 18:03
Game: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

Due to the slow start Counter-Strike: Global Offensive has had since the game's launch just under a month ago, the title's future is now in the hands of players more than ever before in the franchise's history.

Players will tell you it's up to the tournament organizers such as Intel Extreme Masters or DreamHack to pick up Counter-Strike: Global Offensive for the game to become a success, but as time passes it's becoming more and more apparent that is not the case.

We have now had almost a month of Steam's player statistics to analyze, and the outlook is bleak. Counter-Strike's older versions, 1.6 and Source, have both been topping their younger brother in the number of players, and CS:GO doesn't look to be improving.

Now why is this significant? Because as long as Valve will not be chipping in prize money for other tournaments, their and Hidden Path Entertainment's collaboration's future is fully dependant on spectators on a possible future CS:GO TV, viewers on streams and website visits.


The game's initial version, despite of Chet's promises, was clearly not ready for release

Those of you who watched fnatic TV's The Panel featuring Michal "Carmac" Blicharz heard him say he does not think CS:GO can become as big as Counter-Strike 1.6 was if it tries to be CS 1.6. How big was it then? The IEM VI World Championship final between Natus Vincere and ESC Gaming garnered some 70,000 simultaneous viewers, which IEM decided was not enough.

Granted, CS:GO does have more new players coming in and if it continues to grow worldwide and not only in Europe or North America there is a chance it can become a truly global game, which is something IEM and Blicharz have been vocal about, but it will also have to gain more viewers.

While we can blame a myriad of factors for why the viewers have been low so far, ranging from bad spectator experiences to the laggy stream of SteelSeries GO tournament's final and lack of CSGO TV, the fact is that currently CS:GO's player base isn't large enough.

You simply can not get 50,000 spectators out 25,000 active players (peak at one time); not unless it's a huge tournament with names like Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg and Filip "NEO" Kubski meeting in the grand finals for a large sum of cash, and even then it's questionable right now.


Steam statistics tell a frightening story 

Certainly the aforementioned players can't multiply themselves and become new players or spectators, but what they can do is make themselves, as well as their game, more accessible to fans and simply do what they might consider more than their part to help CS:GO to grow.

Since the dawn of time there have been players who prefer not to do interviews, answer questions or comment on things. Lately a member of the hyped Ninjas in Pyjamas team declined an interview on HLTV.org because of the community's approach towards CS:S players.

Similarly players do not wish to stream practice so their opponents can't see their strategies, and lately for example Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund declined sharing his CS:GO POV demo for the same reason. Both of them are understandable, but pretty soon there won't be much left to hide.

This is my somewhat educated guess and hardly a fact or a future set in stone, but I believe DreamHack Winter will largely determine what becomes or doesn't become of CS:GO in the future. It seems that virtually every other tournament organizer is waiting to see how it pans out, and right now the interest isn't there.


Will the seats be filled this time around as well?
 

How does one go about increasing that interest then? It starts with high profile players like Alesund, Kubski, Lindberg or the VeryGames members being open to the media in gaming. If you turn people down, it becomes increasingly difficult to make potential fans interested.

Streaming would surely help tons as well - it's hardly an exaggeration to suggest the very same former SK members streaming daily for hours prior to the final IEM World Championship for CS 1.6 really made people more excited about the then approaching tournament in late February.

It's almost a shame VeryGames and NiP are destined to face each other this weekend in Valencia, as a meeting between the two at ESWC would be something to look forward to, and if one side isn't quite ready to put up an epic match for people to see, a lot of the hype will disappear far too soon.

Regardless, there are still thousands of Counter-Strike fans who want to see their favorite players in action, whether it is Counter-Strike: Source kings VeryGames or all time 1.6 greats like Kubski or Lindberg, but they need to be interested in watching the game first - and that is up to the players as much as anyone else to do.


CS:GO awaits fnatic who attracted a sizable crowd with Na`Vi at Copenhagen Games

Thousands of the fans do not have computers fast enough to run CS:GO or simply are not interested in playing the game, but that doesn't mean the spectating side isn't interesting. I have no interest in playing the game myself, but I do want to find out what happens when NiP faces VeryGames - case in point.

Now, if any of the VeryGames players streamed or more of the NiP players did more often, I might actually be able to watch them play sometimes which could get me more into the game, but that simply isn't the case, is it?

I therefore call the players themselves to action - it's up to you guys to make the community interested, show that CS:GO is interesting to watch and play, or after a few more tournaments with low viewers there won't be more events to save your strats for.

This piece was clearly subjective while also featuring some opinions many would consider facts. What do you, the readers, think? Would more streaming or interviews help your thirst for Counter-Strike? Leave a comment below to let us and the players in question know!

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2012-09-17 18:05:16
(REPLYING #1 SO PPL CAN SEE) I guess the game doesnt have that much viewers because people refuse to acknowledge CS:GO as the new CS main title. Most people (including myself) are too naive and want the game to be 1.6 and therefore the transition will be much harder and also much worse, as the only thing that makes CSGO any close to 1.6 is the maps, and not even the maps looks much like 1.6 versions. People do not want to support the game because they do not want another game (new game) to take over. To like and support CSGO, one must have an open mind and atleast try to adapt and see if the game is interesting. Ofcourse the game cant be interesting to everyone but someone might find it more interesting if they approach it in a different way than wanting it to be a 1.6 clone :)

this is my opinion and I do not say this is a fact.
2012-09-17 18:15:34
we don't refuse nothing. we tried to watch it, we tried to play it, and we got bored. face it.
2012-09-17 18:16:50
I didnt say this was your opinion also! look at all those progamers who now play CSGO. Most of them didnt approve of the game but they are still giving it a shot and it looks like they are enjoying it. Ofcourse many people will not like it but I believe its worth trying out and play a few matches will eventually change many peoples mind. But maybe not yours :)
2012-09-17 18:22:31
they're not "enjoying it". they're giving a try because of the money.
2012-09-17 18:27:14
You do not know and it doesnt look like its very much money yet does it? :) last cup handed out 100euros or something. It seems that your hate for the game makes you say everyone else does too :)
2012-09-17 18:29:20
a lot of pro players have stated that, so yes, i do know.

i'm not saying "no one is having fun", tho. even source has its lovers...
2012-09-17 18:30:33
show me where these pro players have stated that they play only for the money? :)
2012-09-17 18:31:49
Do you have any common sense?No one is going to state that he is playing for money
cuz that is preety obvious without anyone stating it.When they say GO is the future it means the money flow is there not beacuse it's that good that it will replace a legendary game like 1.6.As lurrpis stated in the article DreamHack Winter will tell the outcome for the future of GO,it's also true that many other organisers are waiting for it to see the results if it's worth to organise a large scale tournament,if there is a low viewership....sorry to say but the game isn't replacing anything :)
2012-09-17 19:22:25
(replying #165 so ppl can see) - hi!
2012-09-17 19:39:53
hello,how are you today dear sir? some tea maybe?
2012-09-17 19:59:59
i'm gr8 dude, tea always a good suggestion
2012-09-17 20:30:44
loathful kid...
2012-09-17 22:40:39
couldn't agree more
the game is random
2012-09-17 21:37:32
+1
2012-09-18 09:53:58
well said
+1
2012-09-17 22:31:49
ofc they do want to play because there is money there, but that cant be the only reason to play it! I wouldnt play Dota2 just because of the enormous prize purses they have. You must think the game is fun and when listening to the streams they have, it sounds like they have a great load of it :) DH winter will boast enormous viewcount I believe because people are curious about how it will look on a large scale tournament and who is the best etc. I know I do :)
2012-09-17 23:28:41
Dont know if you meant that way, but just in case; dota isnt played because of huge prizemoney :)
2012-09-18 19:57:02
That was exactly what I was trying to say, that you must like Dota2 to play the game, not only for the prizemoney :)
2012-09-19 16:31:09
ye...community actually made dota popular...not blizzard or some sponsor
2012-09-21 12:52:42
oh man how idiot you are.. it is clearly shining that cs 1.6 still places 3rd of top games by steam statistics whilst cs:go is nowhere because who truly love 1.6 still play with it and pros competitive scene moved to cs:go only because of money even lot of them have stated that they do not wanna play with it.. we have this article because cs:go is nowhere and they want to recruit players.. and I am so happy that this is happening... we needed 1.6 we told them they did not listen.. now they might learn from it..
2012-09-17 22:37:53
I just wanted to know if the ONLY played for money. hey dont play just for the money but if they want to continue playing they must follow the competition and they gotta like the game abit, or else there is no fun to it. I do not want to play dota2 just because there is a $1.5million in prize purse ;) the statistics doesnt decide how competitive it is? TF2 is much larger than cs 1.6 but still isnt anywhere near the competitive part! Stop taking every word so litterally.
2012-09-17 23:23:09
"the statistics doesnt decide how competitive it is"

So, you're saying that at this moment CS:GO can be more competitive than 1.6? Cut the bullshit please
2012-09-18 03:48:46
?? I did not say its more competitive right now? And I dont think it will be as popular as cs 1.6 in the near future, but when the game have had its first tournaments and people are settling into the game, I think CSGO will challenge cs 1.6 as the most competitive game to be :) but that is my opinion, you ofc are entitled to your own without raging :)
2012-09-18 15:39:42
You couldnt be more wrong...TF2 isn't larger if you take the count of nonsteam 1.6 players it's numbers will double up
2012-09-18 09:27:45
Well I must use the statistics that are public? TF2 have its main players in the USA if im not mistaken. But you can also take FM12 as an example. Im sure there is more people out there playing FM12 both steam and non-steam than there are 1.6 players. But that doesnt matter anyway
2012-09-18 15:35:51
The teams not support more the 1.6. So, or they will play CS:GO or lost they "jobs".
2012-09-17 19:24:46
+1 csgo failed so badly...

i just wish 1.6 would come back :(
2012-09-17 21:14:26
if csgo fails there wont be any more cs in serious competitions
2012-09-18 01:04:42
Dont worry, CSPromod should be out in this month :)
2012-09-18 11:32:34
1.6 ers will not move to cspromod, i van bet any money.
2012-09-18 12:44:45
exactly !

+1
2012-09-17 22:29:44
+1
2012-09-18 15:11:28
I'm not gonna watch this shit ! CS:GO will fail and 1.6 will come back alive more than ever ..
Haters gonna hate.
2012-09-21 11:39:08
u are completely wrong, people dont care about having a new game as long is an EVOLUTION, a BETTER GAME... ofc nobody wants to get his game replaced by one 3 steps down.
2012-09-17 18:16:55
It's pretty disrespectful to reply to the top comment just so people can see it. It means you think that your opinion is more important than other peoples' opinions. The reply button is for replying, and how good you think the content of your post is compared to others is irrelevant.

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:52:56
2012-09-17 18:52:21
Totally agree.
2012-09-17 18:55:27
+1. Totally right.
2012-09-17 21:08:37
They "refuse to acknowledge" it because it's a crap game. It's purely a pub game, and the only reason players are switching is because tournaments are giving up on 1.6, and going with eyecandy over gameplay, which is pathetic at best.
2012-09-17 21:56:01
Game play
CS 1.6 Terrorist and CTs, bomb/defuse, buy weapon on the begging of round, previous round won more money
CSGO Terrorist and CTs, bomb/defuse, buy weapon on the begging of round, previous round won more money

Fuck me, isnt that same gameplay?
2012-09-17 22:14:51
Wow, bringing it down to that level - yes, it is. But you can't simply do that, you clearly haven't played either game in a league of anything remotely decent/high. CS:GO sucks, and the best 1.6 people are ONLY switching due to the fact that tournaments are going CS:GO, and there's not that many. Fnatic is an anomaly, they just don't want to switch cause it's a garbage game, worse than Source was on release, which is sad considering Valve themselves made Source.

Post edited 2012-09-17 22:28:39
2012-09-17 22:26:31
Your face sucks, u have no vaild aguments. All what you do is whine. I played on comptetive level all 3 games, 1.6, Source and now CSGO. So i know what im talking about. 1.6 is no better then CSGO in no any aspect. There is not a simple reason why 1.6 is better then GO.
2012-09-17 22:55:08
the feeling the movement the recoiltrick flashes strategies the sick wallbangs ytrick smoke flash drag shots the sound t
2012-09-17 23:15:00
I will answer to you with a pleasure, one f not many who actually have his own opinion based on his own expeitience instead of bullshiting all ovrer the place "to be cool" or simply too stupid. The movement is different I agree. Some people might not like it, yes you right, but my thought is: give it a good try. See that if u get used to it you might actually like it ( I personally think movement is better then source one but 1.6 is winning on this one) Recoil pattern is more random, but I think it's good. You can't just learn the patter and use it every time same way, but you need to control recoil "on fly". I think this makes the game harder, therefore more competitive ( requires extra skill). You wrong on flashes/smokes. CSGO give you ability to throw over the buildings and if you learn where and how to bounce them off you can build new tactics on that and take it as your advantage. Sound, hmm. You see I preferred it when each gun had it's unique sound completely different to others. On go they are more similar (but sound more like in real life) but after spending some time on game you can start recognizability the different. When it comes up to footsteps etc, sound is more accurate then in 1.6.
2012-09-18 12:38:36
Such a child's response, you say my "face sucks" because you're too stupid to come up with something semi-coherent. You're the one that has nothing. I'm sure you did, and I'm the richest man alive. 1.6 is miles ahead of CS:GO, GO is complete and utter crap, you're too much of a fanboy to see that though.

They still have the enemies/bomb on radar if even heard in a short distance, which should've been taken out for competitive mode prior to it (the game) even being released. Troll elsewhere.
2012-09-17 23:15:28
You what? Enemies do not show on radar till you or one of your team m8s see them. (exactly same in 1.6 and Source) This only proves you never played GO. End of argument for me.
2012-09-18 12:22:53
You don't see enemies on your radar in 1.6.
2012-09-19 08:18:02
I've played GO plenty, and it was a pure waste of $13.50. Clearly you haven't played 1.6, and I haven't touched Source in a long, long, long time, but I'd still play Source over GO any day. And I couldn't tell if it was sound or a nade/etc exposing enemies on radar, but it definitely shouldn't show that, especially the damn bomb even if you haven't even seen the bomb guy. Go play your garbage game.
2012-09-20 01:36:56
You are such an idiot, u did not play this game in this case. The only way u or your team m8s see enemy on radar is when you or your team m8 see enemy on screen. Quit bullshiting and STFU. More you talking, more retard you making of yourself. So carry on, i didnt laugh that much in ages.
2012-09-20 15:49:45
hahaha and u say that u know what u are talking about? please, dont make me laugh
2012-09-18 00:27:49
ROFL. THIS IS THE WORST COMPARISON EVER.
2012-09-18 00:06:46
ye, u do know what u are talking about bro, congrats! now gtfo
2012-09-18 00:28:13
you pathetic excuse for a human with a brain, dafuq you talking about there? you can plant the bomb even in COD, so it's cs? i think you use you're head as an umbrella.
2012-09-18 07:30:48
you are actually retarded if you think that is gameplay...
2012-09-18 09:41:44
Google definition of game play. Most of you are crying about how shit game play, where infant its the same, it's game factors and physics which are different to be precise, so all of you who just flamed at me for stating that game play is same are fucking stupid.
2012-09-18 12:16:20
You are obviously talking about Game Mechanics, look it up and then tell me who is fucking stupid...
2012-09-18 18:24:15
Well yea exactly, in this case dont fucking cry game play is shit, cuz its same u retard
2012-09-18 18:38:52
No it's not the same retard. Gameplay and game mechanics are two different things, which GO is shit in both categories. Go cry in your pillow now. Only reason people are switching in ESEA/internationally is because tournaments are switching to GO, for its eye-candy - not gameplay.

Post edited 2012-09-20 01:46:43
2012-09-20 01:43:08
Learn to read u fucktard. I said from the beginning that 1.6 and GO have same gameplay, and difference between games are game factor and physics, or like spezz said you can use one word Game Mechanics. As I said carry on, the fact how big of an idiot you are is making me piss myself from laughing. Now you jsut proved me that you can't even read properly in you own language. Well fucking done.
2012-09-20 15:52:41
I read it just fine, you're the one who is dumb and needs reading comprehension. They're not the same, unless your view is very narrow.
2012-09-21 00:55:12
As I said learn to read, game mechanics and games factory, physics are same thing.
2012-09-21 01:23:22
God you're dumb.
2012-09-21 11:13:57
Speaking of yourself? You are the one who has trouble with reading not me.
2012-09-21 14:04:30
Replaying here so people can see.


Another thing I thought of is some hltv admin to write up a list of the main things the competitive community want changed in csgo or implemented and everyone on all sites to sign it and post it on steam forums. Valve have to see something that is signed by maybe 20-50k people, they have to listen.

Trying wouldent hurt

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:40:03
2012-09-17 18:38:18
That's a fuckin great idea. If the cs community can gather an enormous feedback (ask pro players to make a list, and then make a poll on every community website would be great), i'm pretty sure that valve would listen to it. Now that they've seen that casual players aren't really interested in CS anymore, they could at least try to convince their own community and make csgo the first FPS tittle.
2012-09-17 21:20:23
Replying here so people can see.
2012-09-17 19:49:46
lol I hate you :P
2012-09-17 19:54:47
And like the majority of the 1.6-players still existing plays ZombieMod. Just w8 until GO got a organized mods like this with maps etc, then compare.
2012-09-17 21:14:04
if you really want people to see your comment, replying to the first post isn't the smartest idea, replying to the #169 would place your comment higher.
2012-09-17 21:30:08
Ok grandfather, heres the "deal". I dont rly care that much if my comment is placed second or 30 out of (atm) almost 400 comments. The most important thing is to not rly put a comment when nobody barely will pay any attention to it. And this is fair enough.
2012-09-17 21:47:24
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2012-09-17 23:30:55
csb
2012-09-17 23:40:01
ass
2012-09-20 01:33:19
by: bist
#3
maybe players dont want csgo future
2012-09-17 18:07:02
then they are obviusly satisfied with lol and sc II streams from big tournaments.
2012-09-17 18:10:28
by: RayX
#11
LoL > CSGO :)
2012-09-17 18:13:14
i love lol so u cant make me cry :D
just thought since its a site for a FPS game somebody love this kind of games :DDDD

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:17:54
2012-09-17 18:17:31
no they are not.. but nobdoy gives a shit about cs:go which is absolutely right. why would people support a game that they do not like just to keep an fps game in a leading role like 1.6 was.. or to have an fps game that they do not like presented by big tourneys.. of course not...
2012-09-17 22:26:56


Lets be honest though

50k 1.6 players
40k source players

Pub players
Most of those players are pub players right now that is a fact, source has 35-40k players peek everyday but does that mean its an active comptitive e sport? hell no, it dosent even have any lans left but these pub players are still gona play it , its the same with 1.6.

computers and fps configs
You need to understand also that csgo requires a pretty good computer to be able to run smoothly, it is not playable for most of the market, this is why i think valve should release fps commands.This I think will get people with slower computers playing daily.

Another thing is the community,just take a look at hltv everyday , it has the same 50-100 die hard 1.6ers flaming GO in every possible thread there is (just wait for this thread to pick up)I dont know why they do this? No one is forcing them to play or watch csgo so why are they doing this?

Let me tell you why
They hope that if csgo fails hard that these teams and stars and LANs that have moved over to csgo will return back to 1.6 but everyone with half a brain cell will tell you that this is never going to happen. Sponsors dont want to sponsor this game anymore , LANs will not pick it up without sponsors paying prizes, there is also absolutely 0 new players comming it which is a major must for an esports tittle to thrive.

The stream stats, I dont think csgo has been getting that bad of streaming stats tbh, we had 7k when nip met nonamers at lan that is not bad at all for a small lan with only 1 goo team, now imagine NIP vs Verygames or mouzsports or ESC, the numbers would be right now 15-20k imo that is not bad for now.

Incoming 100 kids coming to flame.

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:30:24
2012-09-17 18:21:31
Sensible post.
2012-09-17 18:26:07
Best kind of post!
2012-09-17 19:43:43
"now imagine NIP vs Verygames or mouzsports or ESC, the numbers would be right now 15-20k imo"

-> you want this game to succeed so badly but pls be reasonable, cs go is a true flop, people won't watch games between vg,mTw,sk and all others top teams cuz fps aren't popular.
Moreover, sadly cs go doesn't bring to viewers any emotions(I watched a game with my rl friend who play and watch LoL games, they were just bored)

"They hope that if csgo fails hard that these teams and stars and LANs that have moved over to csgo will return back to 1.6 " -> true
2012-09-17 18:30:57
fps arent popular? have u been living under a rock? u are here reading news and posting, in an FPS website... shut the **** up please mate... you are preposterous
2012-09-17 18:36:38
yes i read news, i'm aware that the CS:GO scene is so exciting atm with teams like verygames,nip,mousesports,mTw,4k and so on.
But fps are unpopular nowadays, period.
2012-09-17 18:42:54
which are the most popular games nowadays?
2012-09-17 19:07:37
sc2,dota 2,LoL
2012-09-17 19:19:33
you're in the wrong website mate =P

Post edited 2012-09-17 19:39:42
2012-09-17 19:39:32
after CS 1.6 dyin on pro gaming scene yes FPS games are dead on competitive scene.
2012-09-17 20:47:17
hes right, apparently you are the one who lives under the rock.
2012-09-17 21:23:45
He's right. NiP had 7k viewers on a shitty stream in a tournament w/o good teams..
2012-09-17 19:45:35
was the first tournament. i watched that crap, but it will not happen again!

you mad?
2012-09-17 21:46:29
That's stupid to say this will be a standard. I watched that first NiP game so did many of us just to know whether NiP was going to destroy everyone or not. They seemed to be way better than the others at that tournament and that didn't make any sense to watch games after that.

On topic:
I've been watching GTR's and f0rest's streams and it didn't gave me more interest into the game. I've got a few friends who ask me to gather on GO every day but still can't like the game even if I'm getting better. GO's gameplay just doesn't suit me. They mixed quakelive/CSS and COD and brought randomness in a game to a whole new level.

And the game isn't even close to be finished. In-game sound is terrible. Weapons are too easy to handle. Crap weapons getting you some easy kills with 900$/kill? Come on. And it's easier for CSS' players cause I believe CSS and CSGO's gameplay are the opposite of CS 1.6, where you have to be smart and quiet and prepare good bombsite strike. In GO and CSS it just feels like "LEZZ GO THROW EVERYTHING YOU BOUGHT, RUN AND SPRAY THEM TO DEATH YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE". It's just the opposite. In 1.6 the guy who's holding a line has the advantage compared to the two newer games where the guy rushing and peaking has the advantage.
2012-09-18 00:35:06
Good post.
2012-09-18 15:40:14
you not is the most intelligent people of this world bro. If u think "incoming kids coming to flame", its cuz you think that you is most intelligent people. NOT. Your arguments are goods but not totally true and you dont is the truth's owner. I will don't play a boring and not competitive game cuz some player want "money of me" or "money of my views". Grow up bastard. Why 1.6 players dont play GO? BECAUSE IS MOST HORRIBLE GAME EVER. WE NEED A COMPETITIVE GAME, with team play, intelligence on game, reflex, aim and all. we do not only run and shot.
2012-09-17 19:40:11
you is not the best english in the world
2012-09-17 21:35:18
I know =) I try
2012-09-17 21:41:22
you are
2012-09-17 21:47:11
Good points
2012-09-17 20:10:47
Agreed. Nice to see someone with brain on this site :)
2012-09-17 22:16:39
Or we are just waiting for promod to actually do something? Id rather play promod who makes an update once a year than playing a game like GO which could have been good, but it just isnt
2012-09-18 00:05:14
the bash csgo because they can hide behind a computer and spit any hate they want
2012-09-18 01:12:04
nope, i don't think they don't play scrims if they don't have tournaments, it's more fun and rewarding, this argument is shit, it's like you would be saying cs:Go'ers are only playing mixes,wrong.

but yeah i don't have a pc for it, but tbh i would not even buy it if i did.

not yet at least.
2012-09-18 07:37:29
lol GTR told me that he wasnt streaming cuz he have bad inet
2012-09-17 18:08:46
Also his stream quality is awful compared to fribergs and fiflarrens

Post edited 2012-09-17 19:46:41
2012-09-17 19:46:32
Fine news.

http://64bitvps.com/csgo/
2012-09-17 18:10:18
by: Lidda
#7
thing is the game sucks bro.. u cant force people into something they dont like.. specially if they come from something a lot better... fix the game valve, or it will be a failure just as cs:source was, or even worse. GG

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:12:18
2012-09-17 18:11:08
+1
2012-09-17 18:54:20
i need to agree this i play csgo almost everytime i have free from work and other stuff, but its still so unplayable, because of the few things: movement,fps(not really the fps but the lag of some parts of the map),recoil,maps,csgotv. everything else is quite good and playable and i like how they made it.

Post edited 2012-09-17 19:13:31
2012-09-17 19:12:02
So if they fix: Movement, lag, recoil, maps and csgotv the game will be playable?

"everything else is quite good"

What is everything else exactly?
2012-09-18 16:42:34
Yep!
make it more like cs and less like CoD
2012-09-17 20:33:08
+1

Game is so random lurppis. I wanted to play something new and enjoy in it, I tried CS:GO, and that is not that. I would play it (like 24141231 other players) when valve fix the game. I hope they will do something with this, what we talk, because valve said "we listen players", something like that.

Till that move a lot of us will stay on CS 1.6/CS:S, or CSP like me.

valve listen us, please!

sry4bad eng.
2012-09-18 10:01:00
by: zuqq
#8
it will never exist a game like 1.6 :$, GO away GO
2012-09-17 18:11:33
CS 1.6 didnt get famous at its very start. It may take years for CS:GO to adapt and have as such players as CS 1.6, and maybe more.
2012-09-17 18:12:15
FALSE! 1.6 was huge from the beginning (since 1.5 actually). everyone was playing LAN with friends
2012-09-17 18:13:27
What im trying to tell is that CS didnt have so much players at its beggining than then years later, so maybe in some years CS GO could have more than now... or maybe nothing
2012-09-17 18:19:51
yeah agree, but i remember when vac changed to steam alot of my friends stop playing it even i for few years but after that i got used to it.
2012-09-17 19:16:10
Since when was 1.5 the beginning.
2012-09-17 19:58:48
" A C T U A L L Y "

i thought you could read properly
2012-09-17 20:00:11
Well, CS was popular way before 1.5, so you dont make any sense what so ever.
2012-09-17 20:05:43
ok, there you go. but i never said 1.5 was the beginning.

ps. you read very well (you don't actually). see?
2012-09-17 20:18:44
1.6 was huge from the beginning (since 1.5 actually).

stop using actually in every sentence, it makes you sound retarded
2012-09-18 01:15:29
ofc it did. CS 1.6 was an evolution of the previous really successful game versions cs 1.3, 1.4, 1.5... the thing is that now we're facing an INVOLUTION of the game... nobody wants to go back to a bad game
2012-09-17 18:13:37
you sir have no idea ..
2012-09-17 18:35:22
i won't watch a BORING game due to save it for the franchise's sake.

CS:GO will fail hard and all the efford will be back to 1.6
2012-09-17 18:12:24
by: BIRK
#18
Do you really think that people would go back to 1.6 if CS:GO dies? How naive are you?
2012-09-17 18:13:43
a lot of teams switched because of CS:GO's supposed success. if it fail, 1.6 lovers will come back.

most of tournaments won't, but our scene will grow once again
2012-09-17 18:15:20
and with new talented players!
2012-09-17 18:21:01
But your scene wont grow if there aren't any competitions :/. Why is it so hard for people to understand that competitive players play for money, they want to try and win money in some way, or at least most people do.
2012-09-18 10:23:33
not true

example: dota
2012-09-18 20:04:47
dota has loads of money?
2012-09-19 09:16:30
pretty much...huge streams and a lot of lan tournaments
2012-09-19 12:04:17
that what i mean
2012-09-19 18:21:25
The silly thing is, tournament organisers won't go back to 1.6.
2012-09-17 18:15:19
#28 1 second after your post lol
2012-09-17 18:15:46
Doubtful that will happen either dude, what would there to be play for?

The community would have to do what the Source community did when 1.6 players shunned Source, and that is form an entirely seperate community, and scene with events and tournaments. I just don't see that happening. Peoples grand delusions of 1.6 coming back and people switching back just won't happen.
2012-09-17 18:27:49
as soon as some tournaments realize they can't get viewers with CS:GO, there will be only one option left: 1.6
2012-09-17 18:29:34
No. CS will be dropped. Or we might have just a side tourney for CS:GO.
2012-09-17 18:32:22
we shall see it
2012-09-17 18:32:52
No they won't, thats my point. They dont HAVE to have a FPS title in there. If CS:GO doesn't get the viewers, or get the players, then there won't be any more leading FPS titles.

Hence why people have to get behind the game in great numbers (the greater the numbers, the more likely Valve will listen to the community and actually action the changes). The silly thing is, the stubborn people who don't want to change or don't want CS:GO to work out, is actually shooting themselves in the foot.
2012-09-17 18:33:59
your point is based on a thought. my thought is different.

1.6 viewers will be missed, and 2013 will be better than 2012.

you can say that i'm naive or whatever, but time will tell
2012-09-17 18:36:56
Dude, does having 1.6 million tourney affect the average Joe? No. People like you and me and the other forum users will not shoot themselves in the foot just because GO doesnt become an E-Sport. The game is already out and there will be servers. People who enjoy the game will play it others will abandon it.
2012-09-17 18:37:57
+1 you sir are using ur brain in right way
2012-09-17 19:50:46
what you dont get is people dont care about leading fps titles,1.6 was leading by its gameplay not being forced into people.We just play and have fun and if there are tournaments we watch thats it,if not well too bad we can still have fun.
2012-09-17 20:41:00
Thats fine.

So don't complain if 1.6 is "dead" then... thats the issue, the people who are complaining about 1.6 being dead, is not the ones who "dont care" because quite clearly you do care otherwise there wouldn't be hundreds of threads slagging off CS:GO and saying "why is 1.6 dead". The people who do visit here care enough. The fact that you sit there and tell me you don't is quite funny.
2012-09-17 20:44:05
I dont play competively anymore no leagues or ladders nothing,I just play my usual scrim with the same friends at the same time and thats it.I come here to see if there is any tournament or interesting match to watch, videos,news, stuff like that.Its true I cared when IEM dropped cs,I couldnt watch good matches anymore,my friends said cs is dead,but we still play everyday 2-3 maps at night,have fun and go to bed :)
2012-09-17 21:28:17
you really do not get it the canadian is absolutely right.. We are whining about 1.6 is dead of course! We cannot see those exciting competitive matches that gave half of the fun mate.. The other half is playing it and compete in my country sometimes abroad. But what you do not get and what many people try to say here is that we do not care about any leading title and any cs:go. Especially cs:go that looks exactly like source to me and to other load of people.. I would rather play cod 4 or somethin than cs:go... it is a shithole. I will never support cs:go and I am really happy that the other REAL 1.6 players do not either and it is not a random thing..
2012-09-17 22:21:40
cool bothered much?
2012-09-18 00:37:12
I'm sure you are bro.. I am sure you are..
2012-09-18 20:00:48
How you want people not to complain about 1.6's death? This is the game that led the fps e-sport scene for so long, that provided us so many exciting moments, the only thing we could expect from a sucessor is a evolution, a better or at least a game in the same level of quality.

What we can't stand is a inferior and boring(to watch) game replacing the legend. We are able to accept changes, as long as they are for the better
2012-09-18 04:05:55
I was responding to the fact that the guy stated he didn't care about CS:GO or whatever happened in general. My point was more towards him whining that CS1.6 is dead, and not helping CS:GO in the long run.
2012-09-18 09:02:03
+10000
2012-09-18 20:02:14
absolutely right

+1
2012-09-17 22:22:02
Man you're delusional
2012-09-17 21:37:17
another one that doesnt understand that 1.6 is over.
there is nothing called 1.6 pros anymore.
2012-09-17 18:16:17
because CS:GO didn't fail yet
2012-09-17 18:17:18
even if it fails it wont be an 1.6 scene and understand that.
2012-09-17 18:50:01
that's what they told me when 1.6 was replaced for Source
2012-09-17 18:59:15
Source was released in 2005, which wasn't far off 1.6's peak.
1.6 was dead before GO was released. Every tournament was boring, with very little teams competing for very little money.
2012-09-17 19:07:49
+1
2012-09-17 21:20:18
maybe 1.6 will never be again but nobody needs this shithole CS:GO neither that is for sure!
I would rather play with cod 4 than SHIT:GO.

+1
2012-09-17 22:03:20
1.6 stats really don't mean shit... you guys think the 99% servers up that are pubs with bullshit AMX plugins and kids pinging 200 lagging around playing shitty mods matter? nope sorry.
2012-09-17 18:13:19
do you think saying "shit + bullshit + shitty" will improve your (lack of) argument?
2012-09-17 18:14:06
they do, since its people playing. You think u matter more? Cold truth, you dont.
2012-09-17 18:14:29
nah they dont
2012-09-17 18:15:27
AlRiGHt BrOskY. Now gtfo
2012-09-18 00:30:34
UUUUUULTRA KILL
2012-09-18 04:10:19
not so much noobs are on steam , this kind of ppl you mentioned are mostly non-steamers
2012-09-18 17:12:24
lets just be honest, if it's all down to the players, well then this game is as good as dead. If they decide to have a TI3 for CS:GO, then it'll take over the FPS scene.

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:13:40
2012-09-17 18:13:26
Nothing can determine the destiny of the game apart from the quality of the game itself. The better the game becomes in future, the more players will jump to play.
2012-09-17 18:13:40
this whole situation is sad because if GO fails(after DH)i dont think tournaments will bring back 1.6
2012-09-17 18:13:42
I rather they stay away from a bad fps game than than anything in the esports,GO is not a esport,and it will not become 1 as long as they keep the game like this,if 1.6 dies then there's gonna be better game coming out for the fps world,even if big orgenations like WCG,IEM,ESL drop 1.6, after a while if there is no fps game in their title they may have to bring 1.6 back, cause fps games >all others,you can check the number if you want.I'm not hoping 1.6 come back,but people knows which is fun game, and they will keep playing it until something better comes out,strong survives.
ps:dont compare LOL to 1.6,they cant even handle dota2 which is also outnumbered by CS at all time.


Post edited 2012-09-17 19:08:52
2012-09-17 19:06:30
i hope people will start to play promod cause its fun and its not just 1.6 with better graphics there are so much setting to please pretty much everyone,and thats the game that depends on people playing it.
2012-09-17 20:33:50
1.6 is THE game
2012-09-17 18:13:57
Is there a recorded download/podcast of the conversation a couple of days ago from Carmac. The line would be interesting to hear in the context of the conversation.

"Those of you who watched fnatic TV's The Panel featuring Michal "Carmac" Blicharz heard him say he does not think CS:GO can become as big as Counter-Strike 1.6 was if it tries to be CS 1.6. "

Is he saying that if CS:GO was to be like 1.6 in terms of it's gameplay, then it won't become as big?
2012-09-17 18:14:09
I think we are talking about Quality here not copy of gameplay. Clearly GO's quality doesnt match 1.6 as of now.
2012-09-17 18:20:34
read #1

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:15:12
2012-09-17 18:14:19
u are completely wrong, people dont care about having a new game as long is an EVOLUTION, a BETTER GAME... ofc nobody wants to get his game replaced by one 3 steps down.
2012-09-17 18:16:24
right now you have tow choices ,either you stop playing fps games (competitively,because 1.6 ain't comming back),or start playing cs:go and hope for some awesome updates =P ,1.6 gameplay quality has no meaning if you're the only one playing it ;)

sorry for the english =)
2012-09-17 19:50:40
"1.6 gameplay quality has no meaning if you're the only one playing it"

Yeah, because for sure 50k+ players will suddenly switch after "some awesome updates
2012-09-18 04:12:59
i said if you want to play counter strike competitively you will have to switch
2012-09-18 19:51:36
DreamHack will be something like CPL Dallas 2001, and NiP will be NiP, and VeryGames will be x3 :p
If it fails, cs:go will fail, if not, cs:go will grow up a lot (not 10 years as 1.6, but 2/3)
2012-09-17 18:14:31
the game still suck has tons of things to do and they only improve things we dont care... we care about ak/colt accuracy, turn the maps more competitives (oficial train sucks) and some others stuffs like more accuracy when do fast multiples shots with pistols etc

im trying to playing this but i dont wanna play a NEW FPS GAME i wanna play a GOOD GAME, BF, COD and CS1.6 are MUCH better than go actualy.

sorry about my pour english :/

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:17:15
2012-09-17 18:14:54
vg guys don't have enough upload speed for streaming, even if they'd stream, i really doubt lots of people would watch them, fps aren't as enjoyable to watch as moba games for instance, I don't think cs go will succeed.

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:20:53
2012-09-17 18:15:06
so much players didnt play csgo becouse they have sux pc... thats reason gg
2012-09-17 18:16:00
in 2012 its the worst excuse ever
2012-09-17 18:22:21
thats true what i write man......
2012-09-17 18:29:33
So why does Battlefield 3 more ppl than CSGO? (BF3 hw requirements are much bigger) Or even stupid last Call of duty? Because it's not about hw requirements.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey Almost everyone on steam can play CSGO clearly.
2012-09-17 20:06:53
becouse players from cs1.6 or cs:s go to cs:go not even more players
2012-09-17 20:50:33
has* :P
2012-09-17 21:13:48
true
2012-09-17 18:46:58
CS:GO is good as pub game but shit as competive game, also watching game is very boring ,i just cant enjoy watch movements which reminds me call of duty, and oh yes radio sounds acting like CrossFire
CS:GO is fail and this game never get so much fans like 1.6

Post edited 2012-09-17 21:23:35
2012-09-17 21:22:40
you must be kidding or you are really that reatard? I can not believe you are at large!
2012-09-17 22:00:39
a lot of my friends have good pc for good fps in cs:go, but game sucks and we won't play it till valve fix something
2012-09-18 10:04:12
I dont know how Valve can be THIS stupid , like seriously they have an awesome opportuniy to make CSGO the 1st esport fps title , and for many reasons they decide to fuck up everything , that just BEYOND me !

Look at dota2 and the support behind it , just this week it had 3 patches so far , while CSGO BARELY a 40mb patch in 2 weeks , do valve care about their game?

And dont tell me this is what we should expect for 15dollars , TF2 is free ( so is dota2 ) and the support behind them is ENORMOUS compared to GO.

Yeah , even every pro team switched to GO ( obviously for money ) , but still , valve is like NOPE...

CS community made steam popular when everyone was FORCED to move from 1.5 to 1.6 , and today this is how you treat us Valve?

I lost all repsect to them.
2012-09-17 18:16:27
Valve never listen to community and this is why csgo SUCK.
2012-09-17 18:18:42
+99
2012-09-17 18:20:29
x100
2012-09-17 18:23:37
valve carer about dota 2, they know dota 2 will succeed,lots of viewers,big tournaments, top organisations and they support it ofc.
They don't give a fuck about cs go.
2012-09-17 18:36:03
the reason why valve care about dota2 is because ICEFROG made that game(dota1 and dota2),and there are so many fans in dota1.Icefrog kept every good part from dota1,and add some better elements into dota2,to make it better,so the expectation was high before it's releast,also DOTA2 invite all the top clans from dota1(navi,dk,Ehome,IG,ect) to try out the game before the release date,so they can get the game out into a better shape.
This is extactly the oppo way from CSGO, they wont listen to our fans voice,they wont listen to pros' advise,they release away ealier than they should,they didnt keep much of anything from their most sucessful FPS 1.6 and change almost everything ,they dont have any good updates after the release day,they just dont care about this game,and they hope we will like it? wth are they thinking?
I rather stop playing fps game if 1.6 die than playing a cheap-made game like GO.
2012-09-17 19:17:32
:) naive...
2012-09-17 21:57:48
+111111
2012-09-17 18:58:23
+1
2012-09-17 21:56:39
+1111
2012-09-18 03:02:47
+1337
2012-09-18 04:14:57
+1
2012-09-18 10:05:33
+1
2012-09-18 17:13:22
The problem is quite simple. CS:GO is far from as funny to play as 1.6. Valve could have chosen a smarter path in the development of the new CS but didn't. The smarter path would have been to base the game on the most successful edition, 1.6, and improve graphics, maps, weapons etc. The things that made CS big was the movement and feeling in 1.6. To throw that away without replacing it with something better is like asking for instant failure

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:24:13
2012-09-17 18:17:52
Never mix of Call of Duty and CS:SOURCE will replace a legendary game guys, sorry but its true
2012-09-17 18:19:30
Dont call cs:go Call of Duty when you dont want other people call 1.6 minecraft.



same shit
2012-09-17 19:37:20
CS:GO is the future; if it doesn't do well CS will probably die completely. So support it and help make it a better game.
2012-09-17 18:19:33
na, im not supporting a shitty game just because valve doesnt give a **** about us :)
2012-09-17 18:21:02
Let me rephrase you.

Guys, i was hungry and i had nothing to eat so ate my own shit just because i had to eat something.
2012-09-17 18:23:39
i wish that you LITERALLY did it!

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:29:03
2012-09-17 18:28:48
Aww, u mad sis?
2012-09-17 18:30:05
no u are mad, always the same crap around here.. if u dont want to play the game dont, whats the point of trying to bash it every single day?
2012-09-17 19:07:25
Aww, u mad sis?
2012-09-18 00:29:01
u cant stop acting like a retard around, u just cant..
2012-09-18 00:31:03
The only mad person here is you. You are sad enough to watch every single comment on every single article just to flame ad tell the whole world how much you hate csgo, because it will replace 1.6, and u cat stand that fact, and try to convience whole world that 1.6 is the best game ever( prolly the only one you played in your whole life). If there is someone who like csgo u show them by your sad flame comments how mad you are. Get a fuxking life kid
2012-09-21 02:01:39
we are supporting our game and u (tourist from cadred) be quiet
2012-09-18 15:53:17
Simple, they should do a refreshed version of CS 1.6 and CS:Source - fixed.
2012-09-17 18:21:25
GREAT JOB VALVE. Instead of creating the MASTERPIECE of E-SPORTS, you ruined it all. GG
2012-09-17 18:21:42
i don't try it yet, but i think it's not what players whant, this game very different from 1.6 and i don';t like how it's look :(
2012-09-17 18:22:24
If valve actually updated the game to being a counter strike game not some shitty cod game. Then maybe people will transfer from playing cs1.6 and source.
2012-09-17 18:22:35
we want CS:GO exactly the same as the 1.6 Version with these graphics (the CS:GO graphics ofc)!!!!!!

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:23:33
2012-09-17 18:22:42
then play cs promod haha :D
2012-09-18 10:06:23
it simply cannot replace 1.6
2012-09-17 18:23:02
if valve dont put more effort on this game,it will and already is becoming the biggest fail related to counter-strike franchise.
2012-09-17 18:23:05
the community is small because cs:go is boring, I hope for cs:go to succeed but my own steam stats don't lie:

Dota 2
54.6 godz. / 98.4 hours
Counter-Strike
39.7 godz. / 2,272.3 hours
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
2.9 godz. / 48.9 hours

dota 2 is popular because of china and starcraft because of south korea, the only big game western world now has is LoL
2012-09-17 18:23:58
wow, you still wasted a lot of time on a game that is so bad
2012-09-17 18:37:46
i think dota2 is popular because of dota1,of course DOTA2 is popular in china but every other game is popular in China,the reason why there are many ppls playing dota2 in US now is,people who love dota cant not play it anymore because of the graphic and hacking,thats why most of them switch to LOL and HON,but once icefrog made dota2 every1 came back.
starcraft2 is popular thats because Warcraft3 died and starcraft1 died after SC2 came out,so every1 who love RTF game start playing SC2.

2012-09-17 19:23:22
It`s not the missing streams, it`s the game itself...
Seriously, so many people were in the Beta and/or bought the game but only a very small part of them plays the game on a daily basis. That`s the total opposite of what CS was known for: Everyone who started playing CS immediately turned into an addict.

And noone enjoys to watch a game he isnt really into it (people who never played SC2/LoL and tried to watch a SC2/LoL stream know what I mean).

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:33:12
2012-09-17 18:27:15
"Leave a comment below to let us and the players in question know!" heard that get_right?!
2012-09-17 18:27:23
Shouldn't this be a blog? Other than that, well written and speakin' the truth.
2012-09-17 18:30:03
....so that maximum people see it?
2012-09-17 18:31:18
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#209
why should it be a blog instead of an article?
2012-09-17 19:49:03
I hope you still maintain your original attitude to cs:go... just like an initial and primary cs 1.6 player that you are!
2012-09-17 21:54:40
Because it's not a news but an opinion and an appeal.

It can be a news article under say 'Opinion' Heading, but here we have Blogs for the same.

Good Read btw~ Clarified many points.

Post edited 2012-09-18 10:05:52
2012-09-18 10:01:57
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#615
it's not trying to be a news post, it's an article. articles are all more or less based on opinions. you think the cs:go tv post should have been a blog too, as well as my tourney formats article?
2012-09-18 10:06:22
It's a mix bag for now. You are correct in your argument that's it's an article. But it doesn't fall into either news category or Blogs.
I have a little suggestion here: There must be an official 'Opinion' category in News Section accessible to admins/news writer only. This is a better way of distinguishing news from opinions/articles/suggestions. It can be featured on the front page as a distinct category.
Advantages:
1) Will be interesting to see what HLTV staff thinks about recent changes occurring globally.
2) Will give more freedom to new writers like yourself to put forward their opinions, not just as personal blogs but officially as well.
2012-09-18 10:21:43
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#628
this isnt a news article, nor a news. it's an ARTICLE. it just so happens to show up under the same list on our websites navigation as news. not that hard to comprehend the difference, is it?

furthermore, it shows up on the left under "features", clearly separating it from news posts
2012-09-18 11:03:56
No need to explain me the difference. Well, if it all comes down to comprehending things the way you mention, than HLTV.ORG will loose my respect as being 'Professional' e-sports website. And i hope you are talking as an individual not on behalf of hltv itself.

Features section is good, but it's not to the point. Anyways, there's no need to discuss anything further, because i know it does not matter to anyone here.
2012-09-18 12:42:11
Maybe because CS:GO although has a lot of positive improvements is missing out the most important features to be competitive mainly balanced maps for both sides, responsive and fast movement and controllable but difficult recoil, the small niche of pro css & 1.6 players only changed to GO because their only motivation to play is money, they have nothing else to do, while the bulk of the community keeps on the more competitive versions.
2012-09-17 18:30:12
if players were important, we'd still be playing 1.6 on major tournaments.
2012-09-17 18:32:48
Becaulse btw
2012-09-17 18:32:51
I'm excited about DH. Let's just wait.
2012-09-17 18:33:00
On another note, StreamGasm, the CoD4 community streamers are actually doing wonders for the scene currently, getting the 1k - 2k viewers to watch online league games which is pretty cool.
2012-09-17 18:34:49
by: p0s
#87
Its a shame valve isn't doing a damn thing to grow the population of the game. Good read but frankly I don't see CS on the rise ever again. I feel like valve has betrayed the same community that put them on the map. Do you think anyone would know a damn thing about steam if we didn't have to switch to it for counter-strike? All this talk about micro transitions in DOTA2 allows for them to put up big money events... how about all the revenue they have made due to CS players converting to steam and purchasing games through it...
2012-09-17 18:34:49
by: advo
#89
spelling error detected
"Becaulse"
2012-09-17 18:35:41
so many mad 1.6 nerds that have to learn a new game
2012-09-17 18:36:24
And why didnt all the Source players move to GO already?
2012-09-17 18:40:06
for me the spray is the biggest problem ,it should have a constant pattern(dosn't have to be the exact same as 1.6) ,but it seems like ppl don't really care about that ,don't know why =S (i looove to spray in cs 1.6 XD), but i don't know if that's easy to code
2012-09-17 18:37:14
History repeats itself.

Not that surprising.
2012-09-17 18:37:18
I think the game is not even good for CS:Sauce player's standards, so how would it be good for 1.6 playas?

I think and hope the game gets considerably better gameplay-wise real soon (next few weeks) or else there only will be RTS & MOBAs left in eSports.

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:38:31
2012-09-17 18:37:59
dude, you dont even own the game....quit talking. tons of 1.6 pros play csgo now and find it fine, who are you again and why should anybody listen to a word you say? your just an ignorant 1.6 fanboy who knows nothing about the history of the game you claim to love and you talk shit on anybody who doesnt play 1.6....seriously, you talk shit on 'saucers', you talk shit on 'GOers', you talk shit on anything not 1.6 when you have not a shred of knowledge on anything.
2012-09-17 18:40:20
someone's mad


and delusional, for example the CS 1.6 pros are playing CS:GO in hopes it gets big and gives them more tournaments to play.

I don't hate CS:GO, I just don't find it interesting and as I said in the 20+ entries you replied to, I HOPE it gets better.

I hate Saucers though.

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:59:11
2012-09-17 18:49:04
dude, you are a hater. plain and simple. dont talk about a game you never played / will never play. just quit talking...seriously?
2012-09-17 18:56:50
I was in the beta since March and I've tested most of its versions. You should quit stalking me and open your eyes to the truth.

btw, I edited my last reply to you.
2012-09-17 19:02:16
lol ofcourse you and me were in beta(I remember), talking it up on the csgo steam forums with all the american nerd trolls lurking there. Both of us don't have the game, because csgo is a slap in the face to both of us. Don't get an inexperienced team to make a quality game, that's common sense. Drag the people who made 1.6 1.5 or earlier versions, drag gooseman in and make him co-dev of csgo. This talk is pointless though because hpe leads csgo.

Post edited 2012-09-17 21:02:47
2012-09-17 21:02:12
those forums, jesus I can't believe every single feedback topic gets dumped because some retards keep spamming 'Valve knows what is best for us, you know nothing about programming'.
2012-09-19 01:28:16
+1 that guy says always the same thing.. over and over again..
2012-09-17 19:50:55
It's painfully obvious that CS:GO is terrible. It's not about hating.
2012-09-17 21:09:07
you hate people that don't even know you only because they play a game you can't play. Very low IQ here
2012-09-17 21:40:47
How is that I can't play CS:GO/CSS? The fact I don't have those games in my main account doesn't mean a thing, I can use my friends accounts and in fact I've tested GO after release and its the same thing as it was in beta.

As of right now I dont plan on buying GO because Valve/HPE are not aiming to give us a quality game.
2012-09-17 22:06:35
Lmao, dbie doesn't have 15$ for a game... :D
2012-09-18 02:28:11
I won't pay a buck for that shit


unless it improves a lot :)
2012-09-18 02:32:44
Do you want me to buy it for you?

Send me your steam name.
2012-09-18 02:37:03
Activate this key

DF53K-0D6IE-IS4RE-7ARDE-DGUY
2012-09-18 02:53:28
obviously doesn't work :d
2012-09-18 03:01:21
i have 'AN OPEN MIND' and i do posses both games...but we are ADDICTED to cs 1.6...its in our blood now...can't live without playing it.csgo with its fancy graphics and a previously failed engine cant rise up beyond the mother of fps(1.6)...
csgo has stupid maps...they wanted them to be as close to reality as possible...stupid objects lying around everywhere ...pillars holding roofs and wat not...if we wanted our games close to reality ...we would not play games...
these idiots at valve shd have bought cs pro mod instead , worked on it and release it as csgo...but these money sucking idiots cant think and do right...
2012-09-17 18:38:55
'bought cspromod'


LMFAO!
2012-09-17 18:46:40
watched 5 minutes of nip vs buugit it was boring and random no fun at all
2012-09-17 18:40:51
Just by watching the stream I can already tell that it sucks, so I know what you're talking about.
2012-09-17 18:51:31
Maybe Counter Strike 2 ! Fuck cs:go .
2012-09-17 18:43:45
"CS:GO's future in the players' hands"

OK, let's flush it
2012-09-17 18:44:00
+1
2012-09-18 09:46:55
whatever people say about cs:go ,the game sucks all the way hahah
2012-09-17 18:45:38
even tho' 1.6 is far more superiour compared to any other FPS-game it wont be picked on major tournament because its so OLD. The game(s) need new options/players/patches/everything. Even if they would've picked 1.6 and they would receive many spectators like in old days you need to remember its not always the priority; you need to get something back from your sponsor money (eg. you cant seriously sponsor 1.6 with new intel/amd/anything related pc components since you can max the game with parts made in 2004)

TL;DR support CSGO if you want FPS-genre to stay alive, i don't care anymore :(

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:47:09
2012-09-17 18:46:37
Well, i have been playing cs for 8/9 years, and i love the game, the competition, the movements, sick shots, sick actions, and i dont find that in CS:GO. If there is a stream, i open it, and i cant see more than 2 minuts, because it doenst make me interest, the game its just boring, and i cant see if a player plays good or bad, because everything seems random. Other thing is the maps, maps have too many things, too dark, and who playes cs gets used to cleans maps, and thats it.
On the other hand,i already try cs:go and my pc doesnt fit, well i have two options: buy a new pc, or keep playing cs with friends. And i choose the last option. As i dont care about go, and the game its not funny for me, i wont buy a new pc, and i dont care if top players are moving or not. They can move, but they know that theres is no fun in that game. ITS JUST BORING
peace my fellows
2012-09-17 18:47:28
I see future in CSPromod.
2012-09-17 18:49:38
all >> csgo
2012-09-17 18:49:49
expected.
2012-09-17 18:50:13
why should we make an effort? if valve isnt willing to do it, i will keep playing CS 1.6 untill theres nobody playing,untill all the servers are shut down, i wont promote the BASTARD son between CoD and CS:S!!
2012-09-17 18:51:21
I must say this article is quite the sham.

If cs:go is to be more accessible to fans, it has to be simplified and easy to understand. More spectating features won't make up for the poor game it is.

Let me break this down for you:
- Right now, spectators have no idea what is going on when watching a cs:go game. The overly detailed maps draw confusion for new players. They have no idea why certain grenades are being thrown and how the maps are laid out. Not to mention, teams are much more difficult to differentiate in go than 1.6.
- CS 1.6 worked because new spectators could adapt relatively quickly to the maps and could clearly see opposing teams battle it out. While many intricacies of the game were only known to veterans, it didn't matter in the scheme of simply watching the game for a viewing experience (much like pro sports).

In the end, cs:go is not in the players' hands to succeed. Just like any other product on the market, it is the responsibility of its producers to make it better than its competitors. So far, valve has not convinced gamers that cs:go is of greater value than 1.6 (or even source).
2012-09-17 18:51:52
+1 so true
2012-09-17 19:08:58
Well said.
2012-09-17 19:25:26
and it will never even be close to 1.6.. well said

+10000
2012-09-17 21:47:35
The thing is the pros don't like to play the game either. They are forced to do so. All in all, if the game itself is shit, nothing we can do about it.
2012-09-17 18:52:03
the only thing that can save this game is Valve repairing it ....some elements are still broken and everyone knows it

the fact is Valve launched the game too early ...Chet said he didnt want to release an unfinished project, but he did ...this game is far from finished, we dont even have hltv for it
2012-09-17 18:53:28
CS Promod is the future, not Global Offensive.
2012-09-17 18:54:53
only if valve supports it.
2012-09-17 20:55:56
cs 1.6 > cs:go... its so obvious
2012-09-17 18:55:04
yes. The game is good. It has potential. But it is indeed boring to watch. I think they should alow doubbleduck(or whatever its called) to make game more faster and for players to rotate the map easier. About all those details people dont like. I think its good. Makes the game more realistic. But i agree with some there are too much crap around. Like watermelons or stuff like that where you sometimes cant tell if its a headshot or a coconut. Valve simply MUST listen to the community. Read comments Chet, learn the community, make it happen for CSGO

Post edited 2012-09-17 18:56:00
2012-09-17 18:55:41
One major problem is probably the perfomance as you can't even run DM with a stable 120 FPS on an i3 or Phenom X4 which is pretty ridiculous. The even bigger problem is the overall gaming community just not being interested in a new CS and even 15 can be a lot if you are still going to school. Out of like 10 friends who playing games like LoL, SC2 and CoD only 1 guy bought CSGO. The others were like 'Oh you can't aim down sights?' The only thing that could possibly save CS:GO would be a F2P release. Just give 1 CT and T model to everybody. If you want to have more models just buy them. I wouldn't see a problem in weapon skins and skinned grenades as well. They could also add other melee weapons like katanas or w/e. All these things would be bannable for any competitive matches or leagues and the amount of players would probably skyrocket if they actually fixed the perfomance. CSP is definitely the better game, it will be F2P but unfortunately it won't reach any players because there is no advertisment at all and 1.09 is still not released.
2012-09-17 18:55:50
15e nothing for the game 15e=wow 1month playing time
2012-09-17 21:47:16
1.6 > source > LoL > Dota 2> chess > jackstraws > black ppl > cs:go
2012-09-17 18:56:06
hahahahaha epic answere there !
2012-09-17 20:14:19
I really hope that cs1.6 coming back to life
2012-09-17 18:56:35
CS 1.6 is not dead already bro
2012-09-17 19:04:22
WCG IEM ESWC WEM..
2012-09-17 19:30:57
Does that mean you can't play 1.6?
2012-09-17 20:02:36
Hey we can play 1.6, but we need something called "motivation" to do that. Otherwise its just a waste of time, practicing with your team to get top of what? tournaments yeah?

I first played cs in its 1.5 version(2002 maybe)
and playing competetively since 2005 as i remember. Players like us needs motivation to play.
2012-09-17 20:19:20
Oh ok. I forgot that counter strike was serious business. Good luck making it.
2012-09-17 21:08:52
Are you being sarcastic?
I hardly think you ever played competetive counterstrike.
2012-09-17 21:20:48
Been there. Done that. Waste if time. But really good luck. :)
2012-09-17 21:25:45
ahaha comin from the grave u mean? :D
2012-09-17 19:38:09
Haha Zombie version of 1.6
2012-09-17 19:44:52
They sould add the bomb symbol like in 1.6, that would be cool, also fix the money system (+$300 per kill), and many other things that would hopefuly be fixed through the time.
2012-09-17 18:56:55
I'm playing GO because it's new.
I will watch cs tournaments whatever is the version, because it's about team play and style. young or veteran - it doesn't matter as long as player has individuality.

my pc is 5 years old but I don't care because imho all cs is played better on minimal settings.

and the worst thing about GO is not even that it's not like 1.6 or source or that it's not fast enough even with regard to its outdated graphics, but that it has so many obvious and reported bugs and requested features. and Valve still doesn't fix/implement them and even doesn't tell if it ever will.
2012-09-17 18:58:40
its a shit game
2012-09-17 19:00:06
CS 1.6 needs to be back. Everybody wants it except Valve. So, CS:GO will have Source's faith.
2012-09-17 19:00:13
are you retarded??

tournaments DROPPED 1.6 ...so clearly tournaments don't want it either......

the only people who want 1.6 back is casual players ..since no organization/tournament will support it after 2013
2012-09-17 19:29:07
Tournament organizers thought cs:go will be a big hit, but as you can see cs:go is extremely shitty
2012-09-17 19:47:23
Mate, i have respected you and i want the same thing in return, as a first aspect. The second aspect is that tournaments WERE FORCED to drop 1.6 and not because it is a bad game. They did it because it wasn't supported any more by sponsors.
2012-09-17 20:04:28
i think valve is mafia :))))
2012-09-17 21:43:43
It has absolutely nothing to do with the community, streaming or some third reason. It is all based on pure interest. I really don't see CS:GO as a competitive game. It needs a lot of improvements. The game is way too slow-paced in my opinion. Even BF3 (Rush) and CoD are more fast-paced. Even though I am a truly impassioned 1.6 player I think it is right not to compare CS:GO with 1.6 - because you simply cannot replace 1.6. And you really need a different approach to the game by trying not to have 1.6 in mind. But still, 1.6 was a huge success for so many years because of its gameplay. Why not take these key elements of gameplay to CS:GO and simply upgrade the game with a few new things and a whole new graphic engine?

And I am not going to play CS:GO either. I played the beta. Not impressed. Haven't bought the game yet. I am hoping for some updates that can lead to a more interesting and fast-paced game with improvements on the movement system.
2012-09-17 19:02:13
I find the movement decent , and many people want valve to reduce the "running speed" cause its too fast ( faster than 1.6 at least ).
I know youre taking about no bunnyhop / doubleduck but between the terrible maps,bad money system and broken matchmaking I dont think movement is the biggest deal right now...
2012-09-17 19:06:38
Haven't played it that much so I don't really know about it other than that the maps are pretty weird as well as you say. You might be running faster, yeah, but you don't have the same freedom in CS:GO as you have in 1.6. In 1.6 you had to master both aiming and movement, where in CS:GO the movement doesn't play the same big role which is a shame. Bunnyjumping, russianjump (duckjumping) and so on are the key factors of 1.6's gameplay being so successful. No games are near the same gameplay - and that is why 1.6 became so unique. I look forward to seeing what the Promod team can bring, but I doubt that Promod will become the new main FPS title. I hope someone will make a Promod on CS:GO if Valve doesn't fix what most of the community really want.
2012-09-17 19:51:56
Our last chance is a company like Riot picking up promod , injecting tons of money to promote it ( and why not improve in some points , like adding ELO like they did in League ) and there we go , best fps game ever p:
2012-09-17 19:55:46
"I find the movement decent"

have you ever tried to jump in the game?
2012-09-17 21:29:46
decent doesnt mean good , it means playable
2012-09-17 21:32:34
For a competitive game, it isn't playable.
2012-09-17 22:12:37
seems like event orgas and pros think otherwise
2012-09-17 23:09:23
cos they have to "live" on it, we don't :P
2012-09-18 09:48:32
WCG used a mobile racinggame, that means the game must be competitive right?
2012-09-18 14:01:54
whatver not gonna argue with a narrowminded promod fan :/
2012-09-18 19:06:59
No, you realised that your argument that a game is competitively playable just because organisations uses it was horrible and therefore you tried to back out by throwing a cheap shot (calling me narrowminded which absolutely isn't the case) towards me.
2012-09-18 19:14:29
it all started we have different opinions on movement in CSGO , no need to go into details like u do in your every single post.
btw expalin me how can you win an argument over internet when it about 2 different opinons :)

Post edited 2012-09-18 19:43:39
2012-09-18 19:36:45
ther is like LoL and DOTA2 after cs 1.6, so people will not play cs:go, like me played cs 1.6 for 10years and now im playing LoL and im enyoing it, but ofcourse in my heart is CS, but if it will die i will not bother, but i would not mind playing cs;go and i think thats the main issue we have other games, and we will not play cs:go period, and the game cs:go wich alredy is dead, and im pretty sure it wont improve... so it will stay dead, i dont want it but i cant hide the reality.
2012-09-17 19:06:09
HAHAHAHAHA GF!!!!!
2012-09-17 19:06:25
Most of the GO players intend on playing competitively I think, so the the player > spectator ratio will be a lot higher than that of source. But yeah, if Pros want to maintain a decent career in E-sports, they need to start pulling their fingers out and help promote it like you said.
+1
2012-09-17 19:09:17
Even if it would have 10 times more spectators than Source IEM would never pick the game up.
2012-09-17 19:15:16
I said ratio. Purely cause it's been marketed more as a competitive game than source originally was.
2012-09-17 19:44:15
Noshit.. CS:GO is shit, because it's meant to be shit.
CS 1.6 forever!!!!

Post edited 2012-09-17 19:10:48
2012-09-17 19:10:05
1.6 players boycott cs:go tourneys
2012-09-17 19:11:14
Clearly the most stupid shit I have ever read.
Do this and you will have NO CS at all.
Not GO, not Source, no 1.6
Enjoy.
2012-09-17 19:15:44
Who cares? just because that GO shit has counter-strike in the name doesn't mean it is good like 1.6 is.
2012-09-17 19:21:48
Yep. LOL is more intresting than this shit
2012-09-17 19:24:22
Point is if nobody wants go we won't have any FPS game.
Fine by me since im mostly a casual atm due to GO not being competetivly suited atm.
2012-09-17 19:35:22
csgo will do same thing as css because of the engine, takes time until its playble.

and this means csgo was released too early maybe in year 2013 would be better or wait until valve makes new engine, because source engine has problems with fps games.

Post edited 2012-09-17 19:20:05
2012-09-17 19:18:46
what do you mean by problems with fps games? serious question
2012-09-17 20:26:20
well dont you agree css wasnt playable when they released it. same problem with mods in source engine battlegrounds 1 mod was great in hl-1. but when battlegrounds 2 (hl-2) came out it failed pretty hard because of hitbox issues.

so im only saying it will take time until csgo is playable maybe 1-4years. depends if valve takes control of csgo then maybe in 1 year but the current team that made csgo, if they keep updating it, you know it might take 4years to be playable.

2012-09-18 09:35:38
agree 100%
2012-09-17 19:19:29
AGGREE 100%
P.S: Lurrpis you are so smart this all was in my mind i dont know what to say else everything was sayed...
ONLY ONE Cs 1.6 FOR EVER!
2012-09-17 19:26:14
cs go = c= die soon
2012-09-17 19:26:19
fuck cs:go
2012-09-17 19:27:24
by: bubber - HLTV.org
#174
Great news
And a great lurppis article btw!

Post edited 2012-09-17 19:28:57
2012-09-17 19:27:56
Wow, Lurpiss got down on the level of hltv csgo haters.... Having the stats talk, facepalm...
2012-09-17 19:28:58
Yep but the same stats would be amazing if CS:GO was on the top. Correct?
2012-09-17 21:53:01
Obviously, but it's not strange that it isn't on top. There are 2 CS games that are already religiously played and the new CS has stable 25k now which isn't bad at all.
2012-09-17 21:59:38
But now you are using the same stats to say that the number of players is not bad at all. But when someone compares the stats with 1.6 or Source, you say the stats mean nothing.Huh?
2012-09-17 22:05:43
But do the stats really matter? Source was always close to 1.6 in numbers but had lower tournaments.
2012-09-17 22:23:26
Did the best tournaments in Source attract 70K people ever? If not, why would IEM pick Source in place of 1.6?
2012-09-17 22:27:46
Lol, spinning the topic...

I was writing about steam stats. Btw, IEM is big e-Sport event. No wonder it has big spectatorship with sc2, quake and cs players watching it.
2012-09-17 22:38:38
Stats matter because they give you an insight into how popular the game is. Simple.

Post edited 2012-09-17 22:43:29
2012-09-17 22:43:11
Why hasn't then Tf2 or CSS had big tournaments in a while?
2012-09-17 22:58:24
Isnt TF2 a game where you buy stuff from Valve to have better weapons or something like that? If thats the case, how can you have a tournament on such a game? And CS:S, well you had CGS (which most Source players boast about).

Post edited 2012-09-17 23:02:56
2012-09-17 23:02:08
No. The weapons you buy in Tf2 are downgrades and that doesn't matter at all as for competitive TF2 they play vanilla mod which is only default weapons.
2012-09-17 23:04:55
CGS was on Eurosport, it probably had more than 1m viewers.
2012-09-17 23:06:55
Stopped reading when saw who posted this new.
2012-09-17 19:29:26
I`m having fun while playing CS:GO
looking for CSGO TV and first tournaments!
2012-09-17 19:31:10
VALVE UPDATE THE GAME LIKE WE WANT PLZ OR IT WILL BE NEW FAIL

Post edited 2012-09-17 19:32:10
2012-09-17 19:31:31
as someone stated already, u can't replace a good game with a bad one ...
2012-09-17 19:31:41
Im happy to see that CS:GO is NOT a succes.
I dont play fps games like CS for the details/graphics and such.

tbh Valve should focus more on improving 1.6 against cheats and stuff like a better file checking system.

Post edited 2012-09-17 19:36:13
2012-09-17 19:33:31
I agree to a certain extent with your article Tomi.

The part I disagree about is the future of the game being in the players hands. CS:GO has been basically forced down our throats since the announcement of the game. VALVE claims they are doing this for the community, to 'combine us', yet they make a competitive game with no HLTV function and as of right now no real intentions of financially backing game the - such as blizzard does for sc2 and riot games does for LoL. Take a look at those steam stats. Is it no wonder the top 2 games have been made FREE for all steam users to download? I spectated the first DOTA2 International tournament (1st place $1,000,000 USD, which was backed by VALVE) and I don't even follow the game. There was too much hype around this game and VALVE really screwed the pooch on this one. If CSGO is going to live, it's up to them. Wasn't it their fault CS:S was the chosen game over 1.6 in CGS because valve refused to give DirectTV the license to the game?

As a long time competitive American 1.6 player and e-sports enthusiasts, I can only see CSGO, or any counter strike to mention, to survive another 2 years without organizers getting their shit together holding worthwhile tournaments. I'm not asking for a CGS type format, but we need CPL type tournaments held multiple times a year, a World Cyber Games that has their shit together and same with ESWC. ESEA could easily step up and host a couple major tournaments for CSGO here in the states (they once teased about if they could get enough subscribers... haha.) I asked torbull in New York if that would ever be a possibility and he firmly said No.



TL;DR

It's completely up to VALVE and tournament organizers to get their shit together to keep CS alive.

Post edited 2012-09-17 19:38:06
2012-09-17 19:33:48
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#195
the reason i say it's up to the players is because it's obvious valve won't do anything and event organizers won't take risks. eswc and dreamhack winter seem to be what will determine a lot of things, and only the top players can really affect fans as of right now.
2012-09-17 19:40:35
if valve doesn't support it then CS is pretty much doomed, but you and I already know that :)



EDIT: I would say it's a necessary risk for an organization like ESEA since their company is based solely on counter strike players.

Post edited 2012-09-17 19:49:12
2012-09-17 19:43:15
Then if valve isn't fixing the game, it deserves nothing more than to die.
2012-09-17 21:05:25
fck pro the game is very bad,and i cant image that i`m gonna watch streams
i love u all :)))
2012-09-17 21:36:48
so true, VALVE fucked up big time when they didn't give TV rights for CS1.6, out of greed I guess o.O

tho CSP could be the community's game, if someone like Arbalet or someone similar decided to sponsor the coders it would be huge help, me thinks :/
2012-09-18 09:54:24
I think if valve supported promod project, this game for sure would be the main fps title, because they really did a great job with that game, its almost 1.6 with better graphics. However i still hope that GO become a better game, since i have been trying to adapt.
2012-09-17 19:33:59
At the end of the day, valve have brought all this upon themselves. The game should be thrown back into beta and re-thinked over. Why would cs players promote a game that feels like a game that we hate? COD?
2012-09-17 19:35:55
tldr version?
2012-09-17 19:36:45
n1 lurpis :D
2012-09-17 19:36:51
"CS":GO is disgusting, everybody knows that, that's why even cod have more players

Post edited 2012-09-17 19:41:16
2012-09-17 19:38:14
csgo needs more streams from top players
also csgo was released to early, so it needs more updates or it will die soon
2012-09-17 19:41:52
Is the life of CS important enough to back up a game people literally hate?

Let it die. Hopefully someone will buy the franchise in the future, as Valve seem to be totally incompetent at what they do.
2012-09-17 19:43:43
Could not have said it better myself.Id rather have no cs than having a garbage game using its name.Maybe in a few years someone will make the perfect cs game like it was once done by minh lee and jess cliffe.
2012-09-17 21:10:18
Seems like some are striving for eternal CS survival to the point of ridiculous. It's kind of like people who'd rather watch Sopranos going on forever with decreasing quality than accepting a natural ending.
2012-09-17 21:29:53
I don't think it would matter if more players streamed.

To begin with, the game itself isn't all that interesting to watch. The sounds are tinny and stupid sounding, the reg seems horrible, and there's so much going on in the map itself, it's hard to pay attention to opposing players.

Secondly, most of the players who do stream complain themselves about the game and how much they don't like it. A constant defence you hear from players streaming CS:GO is, "I'm just giving it a shot."

The community and the industry alike are just not going to realize in time that no matter how pretty you make the cards, if the game doesn't work, then it doesn't work. How many people honestly watched incredible matches at prestigious events because of the graphics in 1.6? No one. People watch the game for the team work and the individual skill. Add graphics, take away some of the intellectual side of CS (ie: no need to buy ammo or make sure you're holding a better angle) and the game becomes boring as hell to watch.

It's like mindcraft. Purposely bad looking, but it's apparently quite fun to play.

Every other sport in the world has survived, and whattya know, hockey is still played on ice, football is still played on a field, and baseball is still played on a diamond. You don't see those sports changing to attract new spectators, they simply emphasise what is good about the sport.
2012-09-17 19:43:57
True words
2012-09-17 20:42:59
"Ninjas in Pyjamas team declined an interview on HLTV.org because of the community's approach towards CS:S players." What? So they probably will decline interview on cadred.org too because they approach towards 1.6 players?

And actually watching CS:GO stream kind'a very, VERY boring. CS:GO will never be like 1.6, every one knows that.
2012-09-17 19:44:37
great read man, not sure that streaming will increase popularity in our situation... the only reason why (ex?)CS 1.6-Source community might be interested in watching CSGO stream is like you already have mentioned - just to find out what happens when NiP faces VeryGames
2012-09-17 19:47:31
i hope news in the future are like, f0rest comes back to 1.6 etc, but it is almost impossible jaja
2012-09-17 19:48:23
no no the real news>>>forest retire from gaming
hahahahahah
2012-09-17 21:32:57
you're life must be very funny if you keep playing csgo after 1.6 #hatingPROFESSIONALplayerswithoutlife
2012-09-17 19:51:01
Delete GO
Sauce-players go to 1.6
EveRyWaN play 1.6:Pppp<3
2012-09-17 19:52:13
+1 =)
2012-09-17 20:11:10
+1 tRUE!!! EVERYWAN!
2012-09-17 22:12:49
Valve refuse to hear us? Their problem.
2012-09-17 19:57:22
if u had a life u wont care about this kind of subjects on hltv 24/7

2012-09-17 19:58:43
laughing my ass of to all the new users posting "csgo > cs1.6"

how stupid can you people be?

and how can you deny csgo as a flop when everyone realises it day by day passing? :D

ahahhahahaha
2012-09-17 20:00:49
imo, the only way to slow-down or possibly to prevent csgo from failing so hard is make the csgo for free like dota2 and tf2.

from there, valve can start implement those feedbacks from both community 1.6/css into csgo and also make csgo tv that IF valve even listen to 1.6/css.

I know it's must be very hard for valve to combine both scene while attracting console players.
2012-09-17 20:02:37
I will never understand Why in the world does something need to be changed, cuz we, the community, don't want things to change, the only people who wants things to change are making money out of it, lika valve, some pc component making companys etc, cuz to play this shity game, a lot of people need to invest money to even buy a pc that can run it! this topic is fucking silly, you are basically saying - give your money to them, just try it, and let them earn your money

P.S. I played the game for ~1-2weeks, it's really awful and not fun at all, source players can be happy, but I'm a 1.6 player so fuck me valve right ?
2012-09-17 20:03:49
cs go die
2012-09-17 20:03:56
1.6 Will back like it used to be ^^
2012-09-17 20:05:00
There's no future with this game. Stop saying that everybody wants cs:go to be like 1.6. And stop saying that everybody compares cs:go with 1.6. Thing is that 1.6 has been a main esport title for many years, so the comparison is legit, but it's a comparison based on " how much am I enjoying this game when I'm playing it? ", that's all.

And for now, I can say I didn't enjoy it. I've tested the beta and it was a failure. I've tested the game few days ago but I didn't buy it, because the problem remains, it's still shit. But don't get me wrong, I'm not spitting on the game because it's not 1.6 like, I'm spitting on it because it just sucks as fps... Come on, I've got 10 years of counter strike behind me, and I manage to enjoy playing cod modern warfare 3 so f*cking much more than cs:go or even l4d2...

Stop saying pro's have understood that is the was the future. They didn't understand shit. I bet that more than half of them don't even enjoy playing it. Only the cash prizes coming for the next events makes them think it's cool. And for some of them, it remains a way to stay at pro level in a game so they can keep getting some advantages of being in a " structure " .. maybe not like a salary for some of them, but almost.. when they would have been thrown out if they had stayed on 1.6.

Game is not going to be any better except some shitty useless changes that will please all "wannabe's" and source players. Considering the way valve acted regarding 1.6, and some of its games, I can already say that this game will be another 1.6 in terms of support/updates, which means after, 2 or 3 years you won't see anything new anymore. Even if the game is not that expensive, I won't buy it considering the way valve's behaviour regarding the community from the past year until now.
2012-09-17 20:05:48
by: md.
#235
If depends me, I will never play that game!
2012-09-17 20:09:27
Ok, my whole opinion to all this shit is this:

CS 1.6 is good game.
CSS sucks, CS:GO sucks.

Atm playing sum Dota 2 after like 7 years of cs 1.6, really manly game, and it isnt like LoL (U learn all in couple of months), instead of that, dota2 opens the new moba world for you, and its so challenging that the learning never stop, you can always do better!. Gotta love dota2 :), btw half million viewers in The international 2 Finals..

(inb4 china all viewers ofmmfg rofl)
2012-09-17 20:09:57
yep i agree with u sanid,now i play wow and i can`t w8 till pandaria release day,cs:go=bye bye gl+make another game that will repalce 1.6
2012-09-17 21:30:51
That's how is it when you don't listen the community.

take it in the ballz !
2012-09-17 20:10:27
My heart is bleeding...

And a typo in the inscription under the first picture.
"despite of Chet's promises,"
It's "in spite of" or just "despite."
2012-09-17 20:13:51
Way to few streams from pro players, I mean GTR, f0rest and the others from NIP maybe streams once a month maybe a bit more if we are lucky. While pro players in sc2 / LoL are on streams a ton just to give back to the community.
2012-09-17 20:15:53
DIE, DIE CS:GO!!!!!!11
2012-09-17 20:19:20
CS 2 would've been an absolute hit.
2012-09-17 20:28:10
''Natus Vincere and ESC Gaming garnered some 70,000 simultaneous viewers, which IEM decided was not enough''

Btw 70k people can fill one huge football stadium... still confused why IEM did it
2012-09-17 20:29:45
most of the people watching were waiting for the starcraft 2 finals to start. quit with this overhyped and blown out of proportion nonsense. 1.6 DID NOT attract 70k people on its own.
2012-09-17 20:31:29
ur right CS:GO will h3h3h3h3h3
2012-09-17 20:35:33
Thanks for the "facts".
2012-09-17 21:21:24
500K people or watever the number was, watched Starcraft2 because they thought there was 1.6 final to be happening that time or after that match. Starcraft2 DID NOT attract "500K people or watever the number was" number of spectators on its own.
2012-09-17 22:07:58
what about the 10 millions watching it on TV? :p
2012-09-17 20:31:42
probably waiting for the sc2 finals. thats was a HUGE sc2 finals at that IEM with sk.mc in it. the 1.6 finals ran over the estimated time so people were tuning in to watch sc2 and just stuck around. people really need to quit lieing about that day and the stream numbers. why hasnt any other 1.6 tournament pulled the same #'s this year? total random chance happening is what it was.
2012-09-17 20:35:23
Yeah shall we use the example of CGS for viewing figures, which did well and was cancelled over money issues.
2012-09-17 20:42:06
just dont watch this shit
2012-09-17 20:34:41
I wouldn't say anything if the news was written by any other person, but lurppis is just an oblivious hater. Comparing stats with a game who was been out for a month with games like 1.6 and source who been in steam for more than 10 years is just ridiculously dumb

Post edited 2012-09-17 20:42:49
2012-09-17 20:35:06
You are the only dumb kid I see here. Even CS:S had way more players when it was released. If anything, the steamstars shows that number of players in pretty much EVERYGAME there trends to go down with time. Even CS:S had way better numbers than CS:GO by its release. Skyhim was launched with 300K players on steamstats. DOTA2 with 150K players, The new COD games had almost 100K by its release too. The numbers pretty much always go down, till they reach a stable level.

If anything, achieving a higher number of player AFTER years and years is WAY more difficult than putting out 100K players in the first month. Thats why 1.6 is such a legend. 10 years later, and it is still the most played CS ever. Thats hard.

CS:GO is failing to achieve the easy part, which is putting large numbers of players in the very begining.

You are just dumb, and can't accept that CS:GO's numbers are quite pathetic. Bye.
2012-09-17 20:48:24
THIS
2012-09-17 20:52:45
Who cares how much players will play the game the very first day of the release you moron? It can be 100k for Go and still people like you who don't know about counter strike anything will bitch. And in the end it counts that people will play. Go now has 20k players and it will increase during time, not months, because people will buy the game. 1.6 has 50k players and it will go down because people will not buy an 10 year old game like it you or don't
2012-09-17 20:57:11
You say CS:GO numbers will rise, but the FACTS are it was reaching 35K players, than 30K players and now something like 27K players. If anything the FACTS are showing its going down. Just ask me for the steam graph, and I will smash it in your face kid, just ask for it. Looks like you opinion is just what you really want to happen, and not based on reality and current facts. Bye.

Post edited 2012-09-17 21:07:29
2012-09-17 21:06:11
The stable number is 25-27. And you can show me the steam graph when 1 year will pass you dumb ass
2012-09-17 21:11:23
Another false, completly biased statment.
Here is the truth:

http://steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&j..

As you can see, there is absolute no sense in saying "the stable number is 25-27K". This is not what the FACTS shows.

Here is evidence of how stupid and biased you are. Glad everybody can see it now.

Have a nice day my friend!
2012-09-17 21:17:32
By this "graph" it shows the middle of 30 and 25k. So how much that is then?

Post edited 2012-09-17 21:19:57
2012-09-17 21:19:26
LOL looks like you don't even know shit about statistics and trending curves. The only conclusion you can make from that graph is that it is still unstable, and there is NO WAY to state what the "stable number" is at this moment. You will need months before you can know that. The only thing you can say, is that the curve is going down. Thats it.

And btw, I hope you can see how retard you are, claiming that CS:GO numbers will rise, when FACTS are showing the other say arround.

Like I said before, your posts are based on what YOU want to happen, not on reality and facts. Looks like you are a delusional kid. cYA!

Post edited 2012-09-17 21:26:27
2012-09-17 21:22:19
Now you're putting a whole new story. I was talking about that it had players from 20k, not that its decreasing. And months will not show anything, only years
2012-09-17 21:27:29
Not gonna waste more time with you, I think everybody can see now how biased and false your posts are. Thats enough for me. Have a good day, I loved owned you with FACTS, not opinions. Bye!
2012-09-17 21:30:21
If you actually look the graph the facts are that you fail
2012-09-17 21:34:28
Just stop...
2012-09-17 21:27:57
When people will stop replying tome, I will
2012-09-17 21:33:02
He never stops, doesn't matter how ridiculous he looks like
2012-09-18 04:48:56
Well done valve, you single handedly killed the FPS scene!
2012-09-17 20:36:05
By trying o unite the 2 communities?
2012-09-17 20:42:22
You cant unite 2 communities. Its impossible. 1.6 hardcore fans like me wants game similar to the 1.6 . Sourcers like source so they prefer source gameplay. Is an obvious that for me and many others 1.6 players GO is crap. But im realy surprised that CS/S community shows middle finger to CS GO.
2012-09-17 20:47:00
Many other players? Many other kids maybe
2012-09-17 20:49:45
Yep. im 21 years old kid. IMO CS GO is a bad game so im a kid. Those who like CS GO are adult man. What kind of logic is that?

When you and other dumb GO fans understand that without 1.6 community approval you can do shit.
2012-09-17 20:59:44
+1
2012-09-18 15:27:18
By trying to unite the 2 communities? How the fuck do you figure that? Seriously, they didn't ask for any pro's opinions on how to create the game, and IF THEY DID, they disregarded everything they said or just listened to the saucers. They created a disaster of a game, and thats not uniting anything.

They didnt try to unite 2 communities, if they wanted to unite both communites they would create a game that both would like. Which they didnt. Money whores.

Post edited 2012-09-17 21:53:10
2012-09-17 21:51:55
So Valve with they're own expense flied over pro players like Ksharp, Volcano, cArn and many others just to drink some tea and chat? Look it up for once because clearly you haven't followed any news regarding cs:go. And witch pro players don't like the game but still plays it smart ass?
2012-09-17 22:39:58
wow, you are delusional. Pro players play it for money, and Valve didnt create the game pro players wanted, just look at the interviews where the pros talk if you need solid proof that GO is trash.

Post edited 2012-09-18 01:00:09
2012-09-18 00:59:39
They can play 1.6 if they want, but they won't. And Valve listened to both 1.6 and Source players. No one said they're gonna do the exact same thing the players wanted
2012-09-18 10:01:07
No they can't. They are _pros_ and they need the money, which 1.6 doesn't have anymore. If they really would have listened the pros I'm pretty sure that awful "features" such as 900$ per kill wouldn't exists, maps would be better and the game wouldn't generally feel and look like Call of Battlefield. However I think that go can still be succesful, it just needs some major tweaks.

Post edited 2012-09-18 11:21:36
2012-09-18 11:13:04
Well its something new and players will have to use to it. Unless theres gonna be updates fixing it
2012-09-18 11:15:39
WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY STAY ON 1.6 IF THERES NO MONEY, NO TOURNAMENTS, NO GLORY LEFT? What the fuck, and they SAID they were gonna do what both would want, but they didnt deliver. Its like you're talking CSGO hasnt been released. Have you not seen, or have you not played this game yet? I dont even...

Post edited 2012-09-18 17:59:09
2012-09-18 17:57:33
I pity HLTV staff if they're planning to cover upcoming CSGO events. Every article will be riddled with "CSGO SUX 1.6 FOREVER HURR DURR" comments.

That could probably chase away other open minded users and pros wouldn't even bother to give interviews.

Could the death of 1.6 be the death of HLTV.org as well? Makes me wonder..

2012-09-17 20:37:46
If people like lurppis will start writing news rather than blogs like this, than its probably going to happen
2012-09-17 20:44:43
I didn't quite get what you're saying, but isn't lurppis's "job" is to bash and badmouth CSGO?

Post edited 2012-09-17 21:07:04
2012-09-17 21:06:35
Well what do you expect from a "pro player" who was bad in 1.6 and would be even worse in go
2012-09-17 21:13:11
Stupid comment is stupid.
2012-09-17 22:05:51
Lurppis was not that bad in 1.6..he was igl and he could own kids like you with eyes closed.
His achievements > ur life

Post edited 2012-09-18 00:57:50
2012-09-18 00:55:27
Lurppis was bad in 1.6?

http://stickerish.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/N..
2012-09-18 04:51:06
wow! dude stop talking bullshit!
2012-09-18 11:29:26
i mean what do you expect if everyone says a certain burger taste bad and you are still kinda curious to taste it and then it turns out everyone was right and you are more pissed about the fact that you even tried it. Over 150.000( offical numbers might be higher) people already bought the game and only 1/6 is playing the game active. Thats just sad.

Some people still dont get the fact that the community has the choice to play the game they like. It doesnt matter if its sponsored, got huge prize money or their old pros play it. If they want to trash talk a game with different aspects you have to aspect that. Since the game is different to other versions. There are pro's and contras some people dont unterstand till today. Its okay if the outer half is tired of the same old cs 1.6 and wanted to play something new and it is okay when they say cs:go is not like cs 1.6

Post edited 2012-09-17 23:31:33
2012-09-17 23:23:53
Once again lurrpis hits the spot!In my opinion,CS:GO will fail!Because it's weak compared to competitors(CoD%Battlefield)and it isn;t as "friendly" as 1.6.If something is good,you don't change it,you improve it!I was expecting "1.7" with some bugs fixed,some new weapons and probably some better graphics,not an entirely new game(and different).
2012-09-17 20:38:33
If you're waiting for 1.7 then go play CSP when its out in 10 years
2012-09-17 20:46:17
hahhaha!And probably diablo 4!Anyway,this CS:GO is boring,especially to watch,the only reason i managed to watch more than 5 minutes a stream was that onscreen is funny dude!I was hoping for more and i tried to be openminded,but when 1000 people say that something is rubbish,it probably is.Maybe they will fix it (cough-cough)and we will have something to play and something to watch.
2012-09-17 21:00:23
I agree on that it looks boring. It does, but playing it, its actually nice in the fact if you don't want a 1.6 copy playing it. But then again all streams have shity quality for some reason and its not the games faut. Even 1.6 looked like paper durin streams
2012-09-17 21:03:42
Dunno man,if Valve improves it a bit,i will probably give it a try!But for now,i look forward to the tournaments and see what happens.Like lurrpis said,GO future depends on the upcoming events.
2012-09-17 21:13:31
We will see
2012-09-17 21:15:40
Prefer to wait 10 years for a good cs(promod) than play a terrible versions of it now.
2012-09-17 21:01:23
Have fun playing it with your grand children
2012-09-17 21:04:54
Would have more fun playing CSP as a blind old man with parkinsons than this horrible, downgraded, no skill requiring, franchise ruining, shameless piece of garbage. So if you want to pretend GO is the future, have fun at that.
2012-09-17 21:18:06
Even Valve said that this game is not made to replace neither of 1.6 or Source. So that means that tournaments dropped in they're own way of choice. That shows something. And still it has better future than 1.6 and CSP combined
2012-09-17 21:23:07
"better future"? it was dead already in beta. Tournaments are only picking it up in HOPES of it being successful, and because, well, it's a "counter-strike" so most would assume it's good, and it should be, but it's not. Stop being a blind idiotic sheep.
2012-09-17 21:28:16
Teams are switching every week, and theres tournaments with 5k almost every day. I don't see how its not successful
2012-09-17 21:32:37
Teams are only switching because of the $$$, not because they like the game. And cs will only survive out of love of a good game, not money for playing a bad one. Remember that pro teams and tournaments are not as important as the overall community to a games future/survival .

Post edited 2012-09-17 21:39:07
2012-09-17 21:37:44
If there wouldn't be pro players, no one would play the game after all. You can love as much as you want, it wont get better
2012-09-17 21:42:13
What? check steam stats. Even skyrim has more players than GO, and i haven't heard of skyrim pro's. You're suggesting that a game only has a large player-base if pro's play it? i already thought you were a blind idiot, but that's a home run.
2012-09-17 21:45:48
When did Skyrim was an online game dude?
2012-09-17 21:47:46
Yea, pretty sad that a single-player game that came out months ago has much more players than GO, there there. http://i.imgur.com/6jmwU.gif
2012-09-17 21:51:30
Look at the stats right now. And I'm fine with that
2012-09-17 22:32:44
You're fine with this? http://i.imgur.com/ea9be.jpg

okay then, low standards i guess.
2012-09-17 22:37:01
Skyrim is a great game, what can i say
2012-09-17 22:41:28
How about Team Fortress 2?
2012-09-19 08:24:00
Play the game that you like, don't play the game as professional players who play just for the money...
2012-09-17 20:42:10
Valve is just working to slow, no GO:TV yet so it won't bring spectators to slow.
2012-09-17 20:44:12
The problem is not with us having a new game, if valve from the very beginning listened to the pro, normal players none of this would be happening. And yes i agree the game was release way too soon...
If the game was something lis cspromod i am sure lots here would be playing, supporting the game but we all know they dont have the support, too many years and betas versions(but theu listem to the p´layers and make the game as competitive as possible)...
Valve have money, programmers but they never listened to the community...so if the game fails, it definitely wont by our fault!!Thats what i think!!
2012-09-17 20:44:45
Valve is killing counter-strike, they took out bhop, russian walk, wallbaning...etc everything that made cs what it is. Shame on you!
2012-09-17 20:45:48
+1
2012-09-17 20:48:18
Like i said...if they ONLY listened to US players...i will be playing 1.6 till i am forced too, if cs go becomes competitive, if lots changes with future patches, if i get excited watching streams...etc i would gladly buy a new pc just to play it but for now, JUST NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!!!
2012-09-17 20:49:40
They listened to pro players, not like you. No one cares about you're opinion
2012-09-17 20:58:52
it's true. That's why this game is so ugly. They dont listen to us.
2012-09-17 21:05:25
If they would listen. We would have another dead game like 1.6 with no tournaments
2012-09-17 21:08:56
Still better than CS GO with tournaments and 4k viewiers.
2012-09-17 21:12:23
Wait till NiP and VeryGames will play and then reply to me
2012-09-17 21:14:41
Ok. people will watch the game but in chat you will se something like this.


THIS GAME IS SHIT
BOOOORING
WHAT A RANDOM CRAP. etc
2012-09-17 21:18:10
Sure dude
2012-09-17 21:24:11
PROMODPROMODPROMOD
2012-09-17 20:56:23
"I therefore call the players themselves to action - it's up to you guys to make the community interested, show that CS:GO is interesting to watch and play, or after a few more tournaments with low viewers there won't be more events to save your strats for."

What? That's absolutely ridiculous, how is it our job to show that CS:GO is interesting? IF IT'S NOT. All i see now is a COD lookalike, run & gun, downgraded p.o.s of what was once an amazing game with an extremely high skill ceiling. We can't make people want to play/watch the game, if the game is bad.

Good game = More players = More viewers. Fix the game. Or valve should tell HPE to fck off and hire the CSPromod team, since they have much better knowledge of what this community wants/needs.

Post edited 2012-09-17 20:59:04
2012-09-17 20:56:49
Its called sarcasm bro.
2012-09-17 21:15:20
wat?.
2012-09-17 21:18:51
whoops. i meant "how is it the pro's job"
2012-09-17 21:20:46
My opinion...

I agree with you, right now i have no interest in CS:GO, exactly because of thoes reasons you said. I didn't play cs1.6 for many years but for some reason i still hangout here watching clips and streams because I got my interest..

But since CS died i found this new awesome site teamliquid where all the PRO STARCRAFT2 players practice everyday on there streams, sometimes even explaining there tactics for everyone too see... It's so interesting to follow their streams and follow their tournaments.. AND I NEVER even played an RTS game before, but i actually bought Starcraft2 because of exactly what you are explaning here. Livestreams and nice tournaments made me really interested in that game.
2012-09-17 20:57:15
Counter-strike 1.6 is dead and it is still the 3rd of top games by steam statistic... CS:GO will never ever be even close to cs 1.6 and it is perfectly right. I am really really happy that this is happening. CS:GO is sxactly looks like source to me exactly. I never switched to source simply because I never liked it.. why would cs 1.6 players who do not like the newer shit support CS:GO of course they won't. If valve and all those 'clever' sponsors do not want cs 1.6 then here it is that is what they get...
2012-09-17 21:01:03
The pro scene is dead. Pub players gonna play it for another 20 years. And saying that this game looks like Source, when Source hit boxes are fucked up just shows how ignorant you are sir
2012-09-17 21:07:40
did I say something about hitboxes? I said it looks like source and who tells different is purblind thousands of people have already proved me... anyways cs:source is still more played than this cs:go shambles.. sorry 'sir' but this is the truth and I am really happy that you love this crap game and I and other real 1.6 players do not support it and it will disappear into the horseshit where it belongs to..

Post edited 2012-09-17 21:33:56
2012-09-17 21:33:26
Its looks nothing like source. No one said I love it, I support it because its Counter Strike. And tell to the 1.6 pro players who switched, how they don,t support it
2012-09-17 21:38:09
well you see that is the difference between you and me.. you support it because it counter strike I do not support it because it is counter strike and I did not support the horseshit source either... I support the best game which is counter-strike 1.6 not source and source clone cs:go.. and it does look like source it is even the same engine you can tell whatever you want to.. this is my last comment to you I should not have written this one either it is just waste of time..
2012-09-17 22:47:40
The best thing you can do is not even comment on news regarding cs:go if you don't support it or like it. And you waste more writing that this game is bad without proof rather than replying to me
2012-09-17 22:51:56
I honestly dont get people like you Foerester? who are you to decide what people are allowed to write in an HLTV.org article? if people want to speak up about their opinion then let them, thats how it has always been. Deep down you're just mad because alot of people do not share your opinion about how good CS:GO is.
2012-09-18 13:33:15
lurppis respect! keep going , cs 1.6 stay alive!
2012-09-17 21:01:54
Ofc. im fuckCS:GO fan :)
2012-09-17 21:02:00
Valve didnt make a competitive game, then CS:GO TV will be bored for new ppl, and bored to play for CS 1.6 players.

No chance, ALL OF YOU HAVE KILLED COUNTER STRIKE

</3 Hltv and all comunity which prefered broke with the ideals which make 1.6 the best game of the history
2012-09-17 21:07:43
+1
2012-09-17 21:34:56
How can I watch that show with carmac and lurppis ?
2012-09-17 21:09:54
1.6 FTW!
2012-09-17 21:16:18
1.6 only pls
2012-09-17 21:16:32
I would prefer wait 10 long years and see a nice improved, competitive, good looking and playabe CSPROMOD...than force my myself to like CSGO. Everytime i see someones streaming, i honestly cant see it for over 5 mins...
2012-09-17 21:17:15
+1
2012-09-17 21:35:39
Sounds to me like Lurppis maybe be trying to retract from his bold statement saying he will never play CSGO no matter what. Place bets?
2012-09-17 21:17:37
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#730
i will never play cs:go no matter what
2012-09-19 09:11:53
CS:GO is the last FPS hope imo, i still dont know why all these THIRDIES!!!!! say cs 1.6 is better, cs:go sucks, when most of the cs 1.6 competitive scene moved to cs:go just because they want to make the game competitive and up and running...why bother wanting a new fps if cs 1.6 is SOOOOO good?
2012-09-17 21:18:22
cs 1.6 competitive scene moved to cs:go just to get payed what about the others... they keep playing with it because they love it.. I feel sorry for you because you do not see the whole picture...
2012-09-17 21:39:33
csp is the last fps hope , since its made for competitive gameplay not like this shit called global offensive
2012-09-17 23:17:19
i am here waiting to watch the fall of CSGO

haters gonna hate
1.6 > all
2012-09-17 21:22:25
like i said, diehard thirdie...
2012-09-17 21:23:24
clueless kid like you always makes me laugh
2012-09-17 22:35:32
+100000000000 :)
2012-09-17 21:44:02
Me too. Where is my GOD DAMN popcorn?
2012-09-17 21:48:19
lol :D
make it by yourself
Here the swedish way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7UmUX68KtE
2012-09-17 23:44:29
http://imgur.com/56ruS


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



dats right kids

1.6 > all


mad?
2012-09-17 21:23:50
:D:D:D:

+10000
2012-09-17 21:44:56
CPL avatar!
2012-09-17 21:54:00
we love 1.6 . we dont care about cs:go
2012-09-17 21:31:07
We don't care about CS:GO
2012-09-17 21:31:42
lurpiss just awoken the army of zombies
2012-09-17 21:33:25
the worst cs series ever
2012-09-17 21:33:55
I might be wrong but doesn't 1.6 factor bots into the amount of people currently playing? For some reason I remember that being the case ...
2012-09-17 21:34:44
Not in the steamstats, that only counts steam accounts with CS opened. Bots don't have steam accounts. Only non-steam server counters can count bots.
2012-09-17 21:36:58
lol dude... there are more brazilian non-steam players on 1.6 servers than csgo has on it's best day's peek.
2012-09-17 21:48:52
+1
2012-09-17 21:54:31
Which stats do factor in bots then? because I know one source does.
2012-09-17 22:39:53
he already said it. at non-steam stats. so we can only guess...

but yeah, brazil has probably 5k non-steam daily players
2012-09-17 23:34:49
I don't know where I can view the stats, which is what I am asking. Specifically WHERE are these stats?
2012-09-18 01:48:41
1.6 baby!
2012-09-17 21:36:43
Let`s support CS:GO! There is no gain from hating this game, however it`s gonna get more and more updates till it becomes into great game, but it will not be very good if by time it is finished most of community have already left cs:go scene.
2012-09-17 21:36:51
1.6 #'s dont really mean shit anymore because way less than half of them are even playing 'vanilla' 1.6

its all pub scrubs playing shitty mods and custom maps. the overall playerbase is not competitive in the least. i cant find a single decent and active 1.6 pub on the east coast of USA that isnt running shitty gungame or wc3mod or some other bullshit. why doesnt anybody acknowledge the fact that the 1.6 playerbase is so fucking nooby?

Post edited 2012-09-17 21:38:17
2012-09-17 21:37:41
Lets see. We have 25k CS GO players and everybody is an competitive player.
2012-09-17 21:43:34
i bet a much higher % of csgo players is.....people who want to play competitive cs in the future have switched to csgo, not all but most of them. pub stompers are gonna stick to 1.6 because they cant pubstomp a csgo server lol. also considering the fact that there isnt really any shitty 'mods' out for csgo yet, most players are playing standard cs gametypes which is much more conducive to building a knowledgeable spectator-base
2012-09-17 21:46:30
oh i thought they made this game so that the kid's could be attracted because of the graphics
2012-09-17 22:03:24
good graphics is not a bad thing...kids are attracted to things like gungame and warcraft 3 mod, thats why they play 1.6 still
2012-09-17 22:08:00
If you have seen the interviews they clearly said that we improved the graphics so that new people could be attracted and start playing the game. If they would have focused on the game play maybe these 80,000 cs 1.6 players would have switched to GO.

how can you say that kids even play cs. People say that the game is too old and does not attract newbies and kids. You're saying that kids play gungame and war3 in 1.6. Even if they do altogether i bet that the amount of kids playing war3 and gungame would be more then the total amount of people playing GO.
2012-09-18 03:22:03
Your wrong sir.

53.2 godz. / 145.8 godz. My stats CS GO.

I play and watched. observe GO community with my friend, sometimes asking people:
80% GO PUBS/random match
20% GO versus/pcw/ +/-

And what? 80% causal community. a real mix of COD/Source/1.6 sometimes/ TF2/. They certainly do not think about e-sport aspect of the game.

Casuals! Casuals everywhere!

2012-09-17 22:10:29
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#731
care to look at esea? there are hundreds of teams competing in various levels of competition in esea's cs 1.6 league. it's incredibly popular, everyone has just migrated to esea in north america.

gungame is a fun mod, in fact fun enough to be copied for cs:go ;]
2012-09-19 09:12:38
CS:GO is just not that exciting to watch. If a random watches a cs:go stream it would be so boring.
2012-09-17 21:38:39
1.6 came out in 2003 and what has Valve done since then? They have made little to no relevant updates and 3 worse versions of their most popular game.

They have failed to update 1.6, they have failed to understand what CS is all about, they have failed to include any eSports related features (take a look at Dota 2 and then CS:GO...), they have hired the wrong people for the job and yet they keep selling copies.

How do we show Valve that we want the FPS genre to survive? Do we continue buying their shit or do we keep prioritizing gameplay? In my opinion the answer should be painfully obvious but in these CoD-days it is hard to believe that the genre even has a future.

"MW2 sucks, Black Ops sucks, MW3 sucks... when can I preorder Black Ops 2?" Yeah, goodbye gameplay...
2012-09-17 21:40:30
+1

CS:GO is utter shit, but people are stupid and keep buying it. Valve is making money by releasing shitty products, so thats what the future holds, shittier products from Valve, and shittier people still buying it.

Its a shame, but what can we do, I guess some people are satisfied with shitty products, so be it.
2012-09-17 21:44:25
lol so everyone who bought CSGO is a shitty person to you ? lmao funny kid :)
2012-09-17 21:54:30
It`s not that they have failed to understand what CS is all about, it`s because they`re trying to create new game, not another CS:Pro mod. So they`re not just copying content from neither 1.6 or Source, but actually tries to advance game. Well, although there are a lot things whose got degraded in process.
2012-09-17 21:46:58
I disagree, some of the maps are really awful - that shows me they don't really understand the game.
2012-09-17 21:50:32
+1 only thanks to the intervention of the almighty God they not fucked up 1.6
2012-09-17 21:55:04
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm all for new stuff in a CS game, but they don't have to remove a bunch of good while adding a bunch of BS.
2012-09-17 21:54:45
I agree, however they can`t do that. They`re professional game developers, so they can`t afford just to recycle game without trying to find ways to improve it. They have no choice but to take risk of getting negative feedback by changing things, this is price of attempting to advance something what is already "good enough".

Post edited 2012-09-17 22:17:17
2012-09-17 22:16:49
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#441
While I'd like to agree with you, then there is the small problem of simply shutting down the scene for 2 years to punish Valve and have them figure out where they are wrong, this simply cannot be done, we cannot take a timeout or a break, so we either make the most of CS:GO, and hope Valve catches on, or we stop having a FPS esport game.
2012-09-17 22:17:47
The kinda work Valve is doing is so fucking shit, than yes, fuck the scene, I just won't give Valve 1 cent. I know its different for you, because you earn money from all this shit, but thats you, not me.

Come on, they pay source and 1.6 players to visit their headquarters, they worked for so long on the beta, and the game is release with a fucking SHIT broken map like train and nuke? Its completely unnaceptable. What kinda work is that? What were they thinking? I don't care if maps can be developed by users, its completly shitty work to release the game with such stupid maps. And as if maps were the only problem in the game, LOL, the game is fucked up from movement to recoil to money system, to everything.

Valve is just incompetent, period.
2012-09-17 22:26:06
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#458
I do not earn a cent on HLTV.org, I got a day job and work for free here in my weekends and after I get home from work, it is my hobby, so cut the bullshit would you? HLTV.org doesn't even run a profit, we invest it all back into our staff and coverage.

And ok, if that is your stance, fine, what do you suggest then? No events want to touch CS 1.6 anymore, so what do we do?
2012-09-17 22:29:36
I don't have the answer, but I surely won't buy or play shitty broken products, just for the scene. Because by doing so, we will be giving Valve money (more people buying the game), and I find it completly unnacaptable. If we keep buying shitty products, we can only expect shittier products in the future, after all, they are making profit with it, so why not?
2012-09-17 22:32:58
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#466
Well that is fine, then stop following CS, I am not at that point yet, and I do believe CS:GO can be turned into a great FPS title that can last for many years, but there is much work ahead for Valve, just like that was for CS back in 2001.
2012-09-17 22:34:19
You do realise that everything you are saying about GO today, could have been said (and it was) about CS:S back in the day. And you never gave a flying shit about CS:S, and thats because it was an inferior game AND because 1.6 had a strong scene.

So whats changed?

GO still an inferior game, so the only thing that changed is that 1.6 doesn't have a strong scene today.

Pretty obvious that the situation is FORCING people, even you, to go for the inferior product.

So, your solution is not good for me. To play an inferior and boring (in my opiinion) game, just for the cause, is not an opinion. Not gonna waste hours, years of my life on such an inferior game. No way.
2012-09-17 22:43:50
Well said.
2012-09-18 01:16:25
There is difference between css and cs:go. Css was released as n00b friendly game where fragging required a lot less skills.
Difference in CS:GO is that it it does not nerf game to be n00b friendly and introduces new things in game.

Post edited 2012-09-18 02:29:05
2012-09-18 02:27:49
coolstorybro stop playing then?
2012-09-18 17:09:11
Well yeah, unfortunately we have come to that point and I do understand the people who play CS:GO because they love the competition, it is just a shame that Valve didn't make a CS2 like with Dota. I don't think FPS will survive within eSports because every single title the past 10 years has been pretty awful, but we can always hope of course.
2012-09-17 22:56:05
kinda funny to hear that from the guy who says his brand is far more worth than 20.000 bucks. i know you have to pay for the server farm and paying trips but not everyone is stupid to think that this site is sponsorless. i know you dont earn big money from that since you have to pay for the things i mentioned above. But so news are kinda obvious to read through

Post edited 2012-09-17 23:48:50
2012-09-17 23:48:04
if most of the users on HLTV were from countrys like UK, france, germany, america, and demark then sponsors could actually advertise products here

(lets be honest, 80% of the users on HLTV wouldnt buy the products the sponsors would be advertising on the website)
2012-09-18 03:41:02
And how the fuck do you think sponsoring works? Seriously how old are you son?
Sponsors look at the market where they can place their product placement and how many watch that for example a internet page.And hltv had a pretty decent view count. It doesnt matter if they buy it or not.
From where the hell do you know how many guys buy their products or not? Tell me please. You could revolutionize the marketing market. I am serious man

Funny is even the sponsors come from germany, america, france and denmark :D

How long have you been to hltv? How many hardware/mouse/keyboard threads did you read? You see every day poping up new ones and there creater is from all over the world.



Post edited 2012-09-18 12:12:24
2012-09-18 12:04:53
are you dumb?

obviously that will bring sponsors but not enough for every member of the admin team to get salaries, keep the servers up and for any fixes on the site...


if 90% of HLTV's userbase was from the nations west of germany/italy (economical 1st world countrys) like i mentioned above then they would probaly find big sponsors easily

and ye.. so many mice.. but lets be honest here the big moneys in computers/motherboards/cpus/gpus and i dont see many of those threads around? so how can a sponsor make THAT much money on a couple of mice and keyboards?


seriously.

Post edited 2012-09-19 20:23:32
2012-09-19 20:22:39
You have no statistics to prove a majority does not come from these countries. And it does not matter that much since people buy the products all around the globe. There are a lot more markets than only germany and italy example the US france UK and and and to make publicity. You are an example for the UK.

Its true that sponsors pay sometimes more when they can get located adversting like on twitch or owned. They focus them on a special market in their own language. But i didnt ever saw such a chase in hltv.
You saw one? Give me an example

Its kinda funny that you came up with that exactly now. While hltv focuses more and more on cs:go were the so called weak market would and cannot afford good hardware to make it worth sponsoring this site anymore. Actually since a lot of western countries visit that side by now with cs:go in the back. And no i can not prove that but we both see more guys like you showing up. Especially a lot of source player lurking here around and from cadred as well.

"so how can a sponsor make THAT much money on a couple of mice and keyboards?"

Well with manfactures that are focusing on peripheral devices like steelseries, zowie, razer, roccat and co? Which surprisingly sponsor the site :D

Another shot in the knee
Now i look completly dumb do I? :D

Post edited 2012-09-20 02:06:59
2012-09-20 01:57:15
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#593
Yea wow sorry we are not turning a deficit instead of a big fat 0 in profits, I think me investing my sparetime is enough, but hey, surely we should go without sponsors and just pay for day to day operations out of our own pockets, why not!

Sigh..
2012-09-18 08:09:05
just dissapointed from you. we both know you get something for your sparetime. no one said you earn big money. no one said you should run this site sponsorless.
2012-09-18 12:14:06
Would be cool if Blizzard Entertainment made an FPS, they seeme to get pretty much everything right.

Thinking of Starcraft, Warcraft, World of Warcraft.

They actually care about eSports, and they listen to the players. :P
2012-09-17 22:53:24
bought cs:go 3 days ago and i was suprized how good it actually was. I have only played cs 1.3, 1.5 and 1.6 before and this feels like a new start for the game. Same old game 5v5 planting a bomb but new recoil, weapons, movement, grafic and grenades. Many new things to learn but its absolutly not like cs:s spray and always hs. In cs:go u need skills.
2012-09-17 21:43:05
wierd you played 1.3 1.5 and 1.6 but not css? how do you know the css spray?
2012-09-18 12:15:43
tryed it and tought it sucked
2012-09-18 23:07:24
CS:GO is deading
2012-09-17 21:45:37
Hehuhheuehauheuaheauhehue this word always make me lul
2012-09-18 16:25:04
Global offensive.
Stop offending, let`s support game instead! :)
2012-09-17 21:48:05
U mad? Rather, I start to support HelloKitty online than this game.
2012-09-17 21:51:16
No, Im not mad. Its you whos mad. Why you haf to be mad? Its only a game.
2012-09-17 22:06:42
Yep im mad bro. Im realy pissd off. Becouse idiots from valve fucked up my favorit saga ones more.
2012-09-17 22:13:46
Wanna hang out at cs 1.6? Well, it still is not dead, not for us, non-professionals. :)
2012-09-17 22:18:46
Agree but i want so new and fresh to. But not game like CS GO.
2012-09-17 22:20:58
because this is CS:GOvno ,it means to be shit :[
2012-09-18 10:35:01
GO please die.
2012-09-17 21:51:01
forest in a interview: "for me 1.6 and go are tow completely different games, we can't compare the two."

So why the hell the cs 1.6 community should switch to go?
is like saying : "hey man, 1.6 is dying, move to COD or Dota"



2012-09-17 21:53:59
Because people want to play a game with a competitive scene. They simply want to follow the scene, watch pros play and fancy a team.
2012-09-17 22:40:08
Well, we clearly have decided that this game has no future. It tries to please every community and fails horribly at it. Gj Hidden Path for further decreasing the quality of another cstrike game, you've outdone yourself.

Post edited 2012-09-17 22:04:52
2012-09-17 22:04:15
VICTORY TO 1.6 !!!!!! <3<3<3<3 B ALL AS ME <3
2012-09-17 22:04:30
It is blatantly stupid to compare the last few years of 1.6 competitions to CSGO this year. IEM VI World Championship, cited in the article, comes after more than a decade of the 1.6 community building up. Expecting CSGO to have the same viewership after a few months is ridiculous.

That's not to imply GO has any chance of being the game 1.6 is or that it doesn't, only that such a premise is poor.
2012-09-17 22:04:35
cs go sucks , counter strike 1.6 will never die. Besides , how can 1.6 die when Filip "NEO" Kubski is forever?
2012-09-17 22:11:39
Well, I am moving from cadred to HLTV. It was so empty and boring in cadred these days, I think they are going down... Looks like HLTV.org is the place to be, if you want to follow CS:GO...
2012-09-17 22:11:58
Mystery solved. Now i know from where so many GO fans landed here.
2012-09-17 22:18:00
A lot of cadred users are leaving that place for HLTV.org these days, you see a lot of those users very active in this forums... I guess HLTV.org just won another battle :)

HLTV.org is awesome!
2012-09-17 22:20:57
not completely bro. Now i must read their verbal vomit and respond becouse i dont tolerate stupidity.
2012-09-17 22:24:44
haha +1

I wonder how MAD that fatty Hewis is right now... hahaha!
2012-09-17 22:28:21
+1`
2012-09-18 23:28:31
Kudos lurppis. Couldn't agree more, although I'm hoping this will bring the return of 1.6 (which it clearly won't) ;)
2012-09-17 22:13:28
lol after one month CSGO scene screams for help?? hehe. i tought this game will connect both scenes (16 and css). And u know what?? Valve is only playing with the players. When css comming out they was shitting on 16. no updates, nOTHING! CS was evoluating for some years (beta til the 1.6. After that valve was creating only bullshit. Why they didnt create NEW cs on HalfLIFE1 engine with better graphic?? GO i slow as turtle.
2012-09-17 22:18:25
lurppis why you promote the cs: go? it's clear that the GO is not popular or include graphics to improve things ( for example Molotov bomb ). there are players who are not interested in the GO, but money can do anything in this world. may the GO born and die and that everything and everyone back to 1.6
2012-09-17 22:19:11
cs:go just isn't good enough. In my opnion source is better than go at the moment and I don't even like source. So, a lot of tweaks and fixes are still needed.
2012-09-17 22:21:29
I tried CS : GO , but for som reason it does not feel me to play more. So I simply uninstalled GO and started to play 1.6 again :)

I TRIED BUT IT SUCKS :(
2012-09-17 22:32:06
same here
2012-09-17 22:32:33
R.I.P. CS:GO
2012-09-17 22:37:20
Brand name management at it's best..

Valve has released Source and CS:GO, both compared to 1.6 and generally speaking (compared to other FPS games) wouldn't do so well sales wise as word of mouth has been almost 90% negative.

The only reason they sell so many copies is because they're still under the brand name of "Counter-Strike" which is pretty much taking advantage of the original 1.6 fans as they have come to expect more than mediocre products from Valve since the release of 1.5 and 1.6.

It's disappointing when you see games such as Promod fail all because of the pressure from the community for an early release, resulting in a poorly finished game, which ruined ALL of the hype sorrounding the game and any headway into immediate success.. It would be a different story today if Promod wasn't released as early as it was (all other factors aside)

I'm not having a go at the community for bending the programmers arm into releasing an unfinished product, it's not our fault we hated Valve's piss poor attempt at rejuvenating the Counter-Strike scene with the release of Source, which failed pretty quickly and then increased our desire for a new answer to 1.6

Promod was going to be the answer to the dieing 1.6 scene as it's gameplay (after a few bug issues were fixed) is very close to 1.6's competitive game-play and also meets the looming expectations of eSport sponsors such as intel, nvidia so and so forth as it's engine requires newer computers and products to run the game properly.

A win win for everyone as the sponsors stand to gain money on players upgrading their hardware etc, and the players get a truly great game that resembles exactly what we love about 1.6..

The only difference is there is no large corporation behind promod (such as valve) so funding for the game and the tech support etc etc were too small and undermanned for such a big job. Now that the hype for Promod is all but dead, it will never take off and become as successful as it could have been.

Now we stand here today, with a new Counter-Strike version, "CSGO". Valve haven't tried to keep close to the way 1.6 is in-game, they've tried to spread their tentacles into the other FPS scenes by resembling some of the game-play of Modern Warfare and Call of Duty so that their sales could increase into that market..

All they had to do was create a game that was close to the competitive gameplay of 1.6 but with better graphics, throw in a few extra guns or equipment, whatever.. It wouldn't have made a difference... But they couldn't do it.

:(
2012-09-17 22:45:50
well said, you must make a Blog
2012-09-18 23:32:08
no one cares what a cs player from Australia has to say :(
2012-09-19 19:05:00
valve.fail
2012-09-17 22:49:05
retards, so many retards
2012-09-17 22:54:23
interesting, nice article
2012-09-17 22:55:52
dota 2 will wipe out all games!
2012-09-17 22:56:25
the game really sucks.. i dont buy.. i dont play !
2012-09-17 23:08:41
No thanks, the game is horrible, dont try to convince us to play it just because you think hltv.org will die if CS:GO doesnt became the next big thing.
2012-09-17 23:12:01
CS will die
2012-09-17 23:19:03
Well, if CS:GO is the only option, it will certainly die...
2012-09-17 23:22:26
then let it die in peace instead of telling us everyday since its still far away from the so called dead
2012-09-17 23:22:39
then stop flaming about csgo everyday........
2012-09-18 04:44:37
Really good article lurppis.
I dont like playing the game and specctacting it is also pretty bad. There are just no thrills. I dont know why. But i had this feeling in specctating cs 1.6 matches
2012-09-17 23:21:26
targeTDown Its gonna be there.We support any king of improvement or change , to the best.


You can bet,in a couple of months,there is no more Cs and Cs Source tournaments.

They will force and wait until everyone decides to changes.

They are truely kiling the both games slowly.

Iveen If they have to pay for it happend.

2012-09-17 23:25:01
ahahaha hltv invaded by cadred users since it started supporting csgo...what a place has this became...damn
2012-09-17 23:26:26
+1337
2012-09-17 23:29:57
wish i could reply to every fag in here but i dont have that much time!

love it how everyday there is another mad saucer/csgo lover replying to every thread+post :D

some day ago that guy with many numbers -> MyNewAccount , a week ago there was that other swedish one Bloomberg or how the fuck he was called...now we have american invasion with stratmatt or how the fuck he called too...funny to see them defending their shit game which is gonna fail soon :D
2012-09-17 23:32:04
+1
and YoYoYoYoYo etc etc
2012-09-18 23:35:15
Kinda true i saw in the last few weeks more and more guys from countries where source was/is popular :D


Post edited 2012-09-17 23:37:43
2012-09-17 23:32:38
apart from cadred invasion (which is probably main cause) , you can see a major part of the posts in the last days by users with new nicknames and without flags comming here to protect their shitty game
2012-09-17 23:34:22
yeah true as well
edit:
Actually that cs:go love is like a dictatorship going on here at hltv. Everyone has to play cs:go to have the perfect coumminty of fairytales and love and blablabla. Even thought the majority wants cs 1.6


Post edited 2012-09-17 23:37:33
2012-09-17 23:37:14
exactly, flood of cadred/css scum is keep coming in here :( I dont understand why they wont stay at "their" previous homesites
2012-09-17 23:36:44
i asked myself 3 weeks ago why the all noobz from source are here now xD.
2012-09-17 23:58:02
pauLo pls
2012-09-18 08:40:37
Im only interested in ONE match and that is NiP vs VG, just to see 3 good players again and thats it what Im willing to do for "rescuing" of CS:GO
2012-09-17 23:35:04
CS:GO has better graphics than 1.6 thats why some people love it alot more than ugly looking and old 1.6 =(
2012-09-17 23:42:56
oh really?
2012-09-18 13:17:08
yes really :(
2012-09-18 13:20:49
oke
2012-09-18 13:26:10
when valve actually listen to players and the community to fix this fucking broken game ill give it a try other than that they can shove that new graphic game up their ass.
2012-09-17 23:46:57
Ouch, lol.
+1
2012-09-18 02:38:05
Look at CSPromod, developers are communicate with community, fix bugs at the beta stage. They are take into account the traditions of the CS 1.6. I really believe that this game developed for players. But CSGO is the second Source or worse.
2012-09-17 23:54:57
+1
2012-09-18 23:37:32
hey cs:go, what dafuq, plz die fast cuz you suck ;)
2012-09-18 00:06:53
Professional CS is gonna die and all the people that make some money of it are gonna have to move on, sorry. If you still think GO has a chance then your deluded. The game is S-H-I-T! please make one good point about the game!

Ive spoken to alot of 1.6 players, no one actually likes GO, if their switching is because there is no 1.6 tournaments, not because the game is better, which is just fucking stupid.

Also spoken to some people that never played any CS and they said they would never consider buying it, maybe if it was free but even then, its just a shit version of COD.
2012-09-18 00:30:31
am i the only one here that enjoys playing all versions of CS?

People need to realize that you should be thankfull, that somebody took the time and effort to create the game. Stop complaining if you dont like it. Create your own game then.
2012-09-18 00:31:11
yes you are
2012-09-18 00:55:33
i can't say, is this site full of retards or what? a couple of posts a guy says cs:go and cs 1.6 are completely different games and why would cs 1.6 players switch to cs:go if they dont like it...and one amongst many 1.6ers replies, because we want a competitive scene...lol if you like your 1.6 so much stay there, but dont dream about getting competitive...
2012-09-18 00:50:19
BTW did someone notice that fact :

At beginning was meta score for GO 85 , and now is 82

?


http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/counter-strike-g..


BTW
1.6 Meta 88 User 93
CSS Meta 88 User 90
GO Meta 82 User 79

Post edited 2012-09-18 01:16:45
2012-09-18 01:09:19
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/counter-strike-g..

Post edited 2012-09-18 01:21:36
2012-09-18 01:15:51
I tried it and the game sucks hard, I don't know how anyone could bring themselves to play it
2012-09-18 02:15:16
cs:go has had its run.........
its time to let go........

2012-09-18 02:24:27
csgo failed like expected
now we got 3 dead games. GG GUYS
2012-09-18 02:35:27
So explain to me how exactly how the game failed rofl?
2012-09-18 02:53:38
I can't explain that, but I can explain how your reply skill failed if you want...
2012-09-18 02:59:48
Valve creates csgo to connect both scenes (CS % cssucks). and now we have third title named GO. Believe me, csgo will not have more players then 1.6 in two years. And after two years this game dies hard :)
2012-09-18 16:05:44
CS:GO is really boring and confusing maps :I
2012-09-18 03:46:57
dota2 \m/ n 1.6 :D
2012-09-18 03:59:56
finally people realizing it :D

Valve just go and Hire the CSP team and let em ramake the complete physx of game with same graphics and call that CS:2 It may give the final light of hope for FPS LOVERS
2012-09-18 04:24:20
lurppis love the word regardless
2012-09-18 04:30:36
Another truth bomb from Tomi aka Jari Litmanen
2012-09-18 05:09:32
DON'T!!! Even try to compare the two, please.
2012-09-18 09:38:08
I just did.
2012-09-18 09:42:35
Then you know very little about both of them, sorry.
2012-09-18 09:50:23
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
2012-09-18 10:44:28
why we need to play CSGO which is a totally bad game currently atleast, just because it have a name including words "Counter Strike"? The e-sport should be made by Players but not any others.

Post edited 2012-09-18 05:31:31
2012-09-18 05:28:04
not a big fan of CS-GO just want to watch cs 1.6 tourneys and events like before.
2012-09-18 07:13:45
i will quit cs before i'll play GO. its just not CS
2012-09-18 07:59:48
why did they even bother making cs:go , cs 1.6 is perfect why make a new game and add BS to it when there wasnt any reason for it in the first place...
2012-09-18 08:35:32
I played CS:GO for like 30 hours and it just sucks

Post edited 2012-09-18 09:39:16
2012-09-18 09:38:48
Hmph, lurppis is right, the future of GO is our hands. I have now read comments abotu GO for couple of weeks and have seen that almost every 1.6 ers are telling that GO is shit. And before any of you tells me that i suck on cs and blabla, I will let you know that i have been playing cs since it was just a mod for original Half-Life.

Majority of arguments contains only the phrase "CSGO is shit". It's your opinion i see, but instead stating that it is shit, why dont you try to tell us where it went wrong? Is that you who love so much 1.6 though that CSGO should be just like 1.6 but with better graphics? If so, I bet that then majority of community would be whining about CSGO only being a facelift for 1.6. It is different game, and so it feels different. Tooks a while to adapt to it, but personaly I have liked it.

So, if you dont like the game, don't play it. If you like, keep on playing. I have played a lots of games, some I like and some I don't. Ones I dont like, I wont play. It's useless ,and leaves quite arrogant image if you only shout on forums that game xxx is shit day after day without making any point or atleast trying to explain why.
2012-09-19 09:04:49
As you said, either you play it or you drop it. After extensive testing I opted for the latter. And because this is still a 1.6 site(at least the Community), I just wanted to state my opinion. I do not care if people play it or not. I just don't like it. I can not even offer any suggestions to make it better, because I think that the source engine is generally not suited for multiplayer games. And it's not my job to make gold out of shit. This needs to be done by those who like it at least a little or by those who want to go pro.
2012-09-19 10:43:56
In our hands? does that mean we can rip it in half and drop a turd on it lol.
2012-09-18 10:06:19
we can write here lots and lots of sentences, but valve doesn't care and they won't read what we want

i love when someone say "valve listen players" but that is not true 4 sure
2012-09-18 10:09:53
15,458/52,749/Counter-Strike
10,595/38,470/Counter-Strike: Source
7,793/26,686/Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

HeaHeaHea

Valve dont want update cs 1.6 because they dont wanna do nothing free, so lets go play cs:go(css2.0) but players dont are stupid

Post edited 2012-09-18 10:24:12
2012-09-18 10:22:48
Its not Counter Strike 2 by any means
2012-09-18 11:16:50
I can't believe what I'm reading on this god forsaken website. You're all so naive and idiotic its ridiculous. The game has been out nearly a month, yes its not perfect and yes the Steam stats are not in its favor, but as someone mentioned, most of the players on CS:GO are competitive players. Whereas on 1.6 and CS:S its ALL public/fun players because there is NOTHING to play for.

Also its been released a few months before Christmas, I can but my bottom dollar on this game getting more views/players after Christmas as it is a cheap game (can be like a stocking filler if you wish) and people will have new PC's so they can actually run the game.

HPE are updating the game, they are listening to people. You can't just expect all the updates to happen at a snap of a finger, it isn't a plain simple process.



Post edited 2012-09-18 10:45:28
2012-09-18 10:44:50
cool story bro.
2012-09-18 11:32:12
The game has been out for month and it is still far from finished. No "gotv", working matchmaking, fps configs/commands, fixed money system and so on. Those are things that should have been fixed before the game was released, not few months after the release.
2012-09-18 11:40:40
Update it as much as you want, if the game wasn't called counter strike, no one would even play that shit and you wouldn't either, because its a terrible game. The funny thing is that its supposed to be a competative game, how on earth? there is nothing to master, everything is just random.
2012-09-18 12:15:47
are you kidding me? you do realise that a large amount of people have _NEVER_ heard of counter strike, we are in a world ran by FPS titles like CoD and Battlefield, they sell in there MILLIONS. I can fully see why valve have created a game with the slight feeling of CoD, the worlds biggest and best selling FPS title.
2012-09-18 12:56:42
GO was supposed to be a competative title,it dosn't have a story mode, no campaign nothing. The graphics in GO even thou are better than 1.6 are still nothing compared to COD or Battlefield, also those two games are majorly played on consoles. Im not even sure if GO has a hard copy. And i can assure you that 80% of GO sales come from people who played 1.6 or source before.
2012-09-18 20:29:09
this game is unplayable and boring to watch, thats why it will not work
2012-09-18 10:52:29
Worst case scenario is that the cs scene gets so fragmented, that there will not be any counter strike title in the future events.
2012-09-18 10:55:22
COUNTER STRIKE 1.6 COME BACK !
2012-09-18 11:38:03
I thought CS 1.6 for e-sport will be like football for sport. Of course football changed from the beginning but the changes not so big. Same rules, same playtime, same numbers of players, same leagues, just new players. Why someone trying to kill the game which is oldest e-sport game(except Quake maybe)? Because of money?! Because of old graphics?! If the answer "Yes!"
it is really sad for me.

What i don't like in CSS and CSGO that this games don't have the dynamic like it was in 1.6. This games really slow and you can easy shot. Even LOL need more practice and skills to play good and this is sad that CSGO became easy game.

Sorry for mistakes.
2012-09-18 12:06:31
lurppis seems always have problems perceive big pictures but still when he is already 24 years old "gamer"..


does somebody really think that CS or CS:Source had 70 000 active players when those games had been month out?

Let's wait like one year, when game have got more and more publicity (and people tell about that game to their friends and so on) and big tournaments. I can promise that CS:GO will be much bigger than CS 1.6 ever was

And sadly nowadays really large number of players play "wared" versions instead of buying game, because that is something they have used to do (get games free from torrent sites and so on and play on unofficial servers) and you can't see those players on valve lists.
2012-09-18 12:39:15
When cs 1.5 / 1.6 , was released, there was no real fps game that could really challenge it ..

The only way to "kill" cs 1.6, is ending events and get high CS:GO prizes .. , and I'm not too convinced that will really happen .
2012-09-18 12:53:43
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#657
not exactly sure how my age is relevant in this conversation apart from the fact i have eight years of experience in the industry.

no one seems to like cs:go (including the players) so obviously no one is going to tell their friends to play it. the game is DECLINING in numbers already a month after its release.

you of course offer absolutely no reasoning at all as to why any of what you said would happen, but i can point something out - no one who actually has any sort of knowledge (i'm guessing based on your comment with no backing that you do not) is predicting cs:to to have any chance to come even close to cs 1.6.
2012-09-18 13:10:04
"no one seems to like cs:go (including the players" are you serious or just joking bad jokes?
just because most regular cs 1.6 players (hltv.org is full of them, because this have been biggest cs 1.6 news site for long time) don't like it, it doesn't mean that all players would think so.


numbers may decline when you only measure short time, but that is normal variance. especially when many cs 1.6 players have tried cs:go (because of its cheap price & many many their idols, former cs 1.6 pros switched to cs:go) and didn't like because "it wasn't like cs 1.6 so it sucks", that explain why it already have some declines.

Also a lot of players "still" play wared versions, but it's pretty sure that that many of them will move to official versions when cs:go ladders & cups become popular. there are already a lot of gathers for wared versions also

This game is so young that month is far from enough time to judge how does it success

And like HeatoN also said, cs:go will be bigger than 1.6, just wait year

Post edited 2012-09-18 13:40:32
2012-09-18 13:35:03
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#666
I'll reply with more detail once I'm not on my phone but come on, the last time HeatoN said something that wasn't motivated by money was over five years ago
2012-09-18 14:22:49
I can see this game following the same path as source, only that it's a little worse.

Sad thing that even source players hated it and went back to their game, lol.

Very good article btw. There are more people that are with you than against you, trust me.
2012-09-18 14:33:53
who the fuck are you to say that about heaton? heaton's love for cs and esports is 1000x more convincing than yours. you are more worried about your ego and your hope that you could just 'sit on top' of a 12 year old game without ever having to learn something new. You think the dozens and dozens of teams playing csgo right now are all in it for the money? Thats bullshit. They want to compete in a new battleground where everyone has a lot of learning to do. It sorta evens out the scene and allows for innovaton once again. It is exciting. The competition is exciting. And all you can look at is your personal distaste for the all the little things that make it different from 'your' beloved game.
2012-09-18 14:45:51
nice try heaton
2012-09-18 14:57:09
+1 so true.

and HeatoN is one of few people in eSport who actually publicly say what they really think


for example he also called cArn as really bad aimer publicly, regardless that he knew that many eSport fans wouldn't like that at all
2012-09-18 15:04:29
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#734
heaton, the player who has not done any interviews not motivated by marketing a newly launched product (e.g. esea.net interview after zowie's new mice) and whom we haven't seen in the cs community until last year when he was paid to shoutcast matches, is someone who publicly says what they think?

can you think of a single other time he has ever said anything like that? he probably just dislikes carn for a reason or another. what i say on the other hand has never been motivated by external factors, i call it like i see it.
2012-09-19 09:18:34
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#733
really? are we talking about the same heaton who quit cs in 2006 and whom we have not seen anywhere since then? the one who claimed sk stole money from him until theslash explained (at least from their side of the story) what really happened? all he has done is worked individually as a business man (and done a good job at that) with marketing deals from at least zowie and qpad, as well as the benq thing, but that shows no "love" for cs, not that i need to be identified with anything similar either.

i already quit competitive counter-strike six months ago so clearly that is not a concern of mine.

everyone plays cs:go for competition, because they think (and in some cases know) that tournaments are switching to it.

i don't know why you're treating cs:go as your child, but many people do not realize i was one of the most vocal supporters of the game before iem new york.

i said i'd play "any version of cs" as long as the competition moved. i have posted possibly the most out of anyone on the pro player feedback forum. i was in new york for the initial beta test in the game. i have exchanged emails with chet regarding suggestions for the game (albeit only a couple).

i want all the best things for cs:go, hpe/valve simply are not delivering it.

Post edited 2012-09-19 09:19:36
2012-09-19 09:16:32
Honest opinion or said for money, who cares? Heaton is not an oracle.

"no one seems to like cs:go (including the players) so obviously no one is going to tell their friends to play it."
I guess you are wrong. I was a 1.6 player and I don't like csgo for some reasons like weird recoil, footsteps sound, different maps (especially train) etc - but that only comes to my mind when thinking as csgo would be the next cs 1.6 (same goes for csgo haters)... And it is not a copy of 1.6, it's just a new game similar to previous counter strikes, right? So as a new game - I think it's okay - and already helped in convincing a few players to play it.

"the game is DECLINING in numbers already a month after its release."
I don't have any idea why do you think so - I'll wait for your "more detail" then.

"predicting cs:go to have any chance to come even close to cs 1.6."
That's actually true. But probably it will be as big as source, maybe bigger.

The truth is we can see a lot of players starting to play cs:go. But of course there will be always players that keep playing cs1.6/css and never csgo. They just still like what they play and/or don't wanna waste money on another new boring (sorry, but it is true for 4fun casual players) only-multiplayer-fps that gets updated too slowly and needs good compuer that is not in everyone's possession. Anyway - all we can do is wait - spamming, writing news about one's opinions etc won't change anything... It's just a game anyway XD .
2012-09-18 15:51:32
"The game is deading" "HeatoN shows up when there's money"

Do you realise that you sound like those kiddy trolls from this website? Jesus christ you are 24 for fuck sake.
2012-09-18 18:15:00
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#736
the game IS declining. proof: http://steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&a.. -- it used to be around 40k, then 35k, then 30k, and now down to less than 25k

i have only seen heaton pop up publicly (once again, nothing wrong with it, it's what every smart businessminded human would do, but it's basically the opposite of what cs:go players here suggest) to market products he's associated with since his retirement in 2006.

the fact simply is that none of us have seen heaton doing anything in the community out of just wanting to help, he simply hasn't been around in six years.
2012-09-19 10:00:19
wow... I thought you were writing this for views/controversy. It's far too early to judge if the game will succeed. We have yet to see big tournaments play out, updates, glitches and bugs removed. Communities are switching on and most importantly the competitive community did switch.
2012-09-19 15:34:51
leave it to lurpis to slander heaton once again and not back anything up. cant believe this clown is respected by anybody. if this is the 1.6 'hero' everyone needs than the scene has turned into a parody of itself.
2012-09-18 22:09:49
Yeah bro, what a disgrace...
2012-09-19 00:12:02
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#735
i actually did back everything up. feel free to continue.
2012-09-19 09:20:19
Cant agree more, expecially the thing about wared versions. There are also people who are looking forward to buy GO if it gets more improvents. There are also upcoming players who simply pick up a new shooting game when they visit the closest gaming store. Cs 1.6 wont get any new players, thats a fact. CS:GO in the other hand does. There are people who dont like GO, and then there are people who just wanna take side ("whats the world burn" t:jokeri )and they want cs:go to fail even they would think it as a good game or it would become the greatest game they ever played. Being stubborn is something that comes along teenage, some are less and some arent.
2012-09-18 19:13:28
cs:go has served its time...1 2 months max
its time to let go............rip

2012-09-18 13:11:19
cs 1.6 died cuz of us. and btw league of legends is the most famous internet game in the world. :D
2012-09-18 13:14:25
CS1.6 forever young!
2012-09-18 14:33:37
Due to the slow start Counter-Strike: Global Offensive has had since the game's launch just under a month ago, the title's future is now in the hands of players more than ever before in the franchise's history.

cool story bro
why we should support a game that we dont like even if it is "a future" but it isnt anyway
just play the games you like...
2012-09-18 14:52:29
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#674
Did you actually read beyond that? The players in this context refers to the pros that have already switched, and the ones who remain in 1.6.
2012-09-18 15:00:48
Some 1.6 professional players switched or retired, but don't worry, it's just like a circle of life, some die... some born, I absolutely believe that there will be some new 1.6 players greater than befores!

Post edited 2012-09-18 15:31:25
2012-09-18 15:25:20
You haven't grew up since the last time we talked
2012-09-18 17:57:57
talked?
you feel forever alone or what?
i didnt start talking with you...
2012-09-19 15:10:06
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk

Talk may refer to:
Interaction, face to face conversations

Interaction is a kind of action that occurs as two or more objects have an effect upon one another.

don't try to be smart with me kido
2012-09-19 15:52:08
huh you need wikipedia to know what mean Talk.
2012-09-19 16:13:44
dafuq? I know the meaning of "talk",I gave the link to you so you could understand you're huge failure. I wasn't THAT retarded in the age of 16
2012-09-19 16:17:15
the thing is that you still a retarded...
2012-09-19 16:35:53
This is how defeat sounds

/end
2012-09-19 16:42:36
CS:GO haters Everywhere.
Congratulations Now i Hate HLTV users, finally they shown their own mentality. Too low. :)
2012-09-18 15:34:21
cool story bro.
2012-09-18 15:43:26
we dont care about your opinion and we dont care of GO. hltv.org shoud support 1.6ers. We were loyal for this site for more then 5years. And after GO realasing they are pissing on us. More and more kids are screaming here how the 1.6 bullshit is. Im asking why?? On our teritory?? HLTVCREW need to create his undersite named GOTV.ORG and the we see the true GO community ;))

Post edited 2012-09-18 16:26:39
2012-09-18 16:26:03
dude he is 17 y.o. He dont know what he is talking about)
2012-09-19 10:06:11
I'm not saying that 1.6 sucks. I'm 1.6 player. But it's incredible how many people can be together just to put something down and someones without playing.

Just incredible how can this comunity be so youth in mentality.

StelZ wow... Incredible how can a guy with 17 years beat you in Brain...
2012-09-19 17:32:38
www.kritikal-gaming.co.uk I will be streaming religously all my new teams practice games from 6 GMT until 10 GMT.

I don't care who watches or what they see, the majority of the work I do on teams is kept in private and done on the servers with just 5 on it.

Not only that you play anyone in a pracc in todays world of high end gaming, u`ll likely get ratted, and your strats given out.

NiP are being anal because they want to take advantage of the early stages of the game, they want to win everything at the beginning, but as soon as HLTV comes out the hours and hours spent on learning smokes will soon become pointless because people like me who work full time running their own businesses can just copy the ones they use and use them to my advantage.

Streaming not only gives the community more understanding in the game, but there is some revenue there. Not much, but for something i would be doing anyway im going to adapt my stream and make it as entertaining as possible and hopefully I can make some extra tax free revneue every month :D
2012-09-18 16:19:34
unless they completely change the recoil and movement, i would rather cs die altogether than play go, it's just not counterstrike:/
2012-09-18 17:27:25
this
2012-09-18 23:36:39
CS:GO will die with time, but i just hope, by the time it dies, valve doesn't kill the burning players inside which beat with 1.6 come to an end.


CS 1.6 will come back. For sure.
2012-09-18 17:49:15
CS:GO is kinda fun to play, but extremely boring to watch. I tried watching some matches a few times but get bored after a few rounds. The game is just way too slow.
2012-09-18 18:24:11
For me its the opposite when watching, too many fast rounds, too agressive playing with less tactics. Boring yes but for different reasons.
2012-09-18 19:15:06
I would tell you it's a new game, thats why it will take time for people to find out what works best for them in the game, but judging by majority in here, it seems that cs:go is supposed to be 1.6. Players want to jump in and play exactly like 1.6.
2012-09-21 21:58:37
Me, You, AND EVERYBODY... know that Valve isn't giving all the afford to make this game such a hit like 1.6.

CS:GO shouldn't be too similar to 1.6 because it would be hard for new out-comers to achieve something in global, pro gaming.

I must say that CS 1.6 is almost perfect competitive game and "almost" just because Valve declined to do more updates to this game (because of Source). It's sad. Really, really sad.

The new ideas (such as Molotov etc.) are great. Graphics is quite nice, too.
I can't image that they have no knowledge to build game from 0 which will be connection of 1.6 gameplay with few updates (to make it playable for new out-comers) and better graphics.

Post edited 2012-09-18 20:34:53
2012-09-18 20:31:03
this game is a failure looking as counter-strike :D business geniuses who created this crap, should be more excited to create a better product. At least to take away completely 1.6
2012-09-18 23:53:27
"Show that CS:GO is interesting to watch and play"

BUT IT'S FU**ING NOT
2012-09-19 07:08:28
CS:GO is not a passion.. it's just an example of power of money! the manipulative game played by Valve to sell it's product, nothing else..
2012-09-19 10:30:33
i watched CS:GO match and fell asleep

it's so boring
2012-09-19 12:09:35
competitive games are becoming boring. the terrible games that are coming out that are being designed with a competitive nature and are the death of the fun aspect of what we used to have in games.

there's no new ideas, it's just all recycled original ideas like all these dota games. there's too many CS games as it stands and you'd think they would of stopped at source.

I think it all started with that CGS trash/crap. :)



Post edited 2012-09-19 15:49:10
2012-09-19 15:48:15
actually dota2 is a competitive game

but if you are talking about LoL
true story bro.
2012-09-19 16:38:04
i would love them so stream and play 1.6 x)
2012-09-20 02:54:25
1.6 is a life style
2012-09-20 03:06:20
1.6 for life.
2012-09-20 14:43:06
I would say give it some time, probably 2 to 4 months. If it's still not doing well then you can trash it as hard as you want and deem it a failure. I'm no CS:GO fanboy, but I do feel that most CS 1.6 players are jumping the gun and itching at any small failure CS:GO encounters. You guys haven't given the game time to breathe, While some games can come out of the box selling, others definitely have difficulty but sometimes prevail in later stages. Now, as an an avid CS 1.6 player and an observant logistician, I honestly feel CS:GOs failure is imminent, but it's ill advised (especially in it's early stages) to label CS:GO a failure already even though it's headed in that direction. The CS:GO sponsors still haven't formed any base or plan of action. They market it (CS:GO) in such a lousy way, all they really do is pick up sponsors and throw some more money at the game not really caring in which direction the money flows as long as they get results (which they aren't getting). It's obvious the game's failure is coming, but I think we as a community will soon enough put the nail in the coffin for CS:GO, so we should just wait a little while longer and then clock the statistics of the game, at which that time it would seem fair and suitable to give it (CS:GO) it's fair rating.

Post edited 2012-09-20 16:13:12
2012-09-20 16:07:13
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ CS:GO not even top 9-8 Most Played Games..
2012-09-20 19:25:37
1.6 #5
1 months ago he be #2

Post edited 2012-09-20 22:44:42
2012-09-20 22:44:32
The first FPS i ever played was CS1.6, ive played GO and source, 1.6 is still the best. I say, make some updates to GO, for new players to keep going.
Dont just drop it out, might as well hand us back the money we paid, it would just become a dead game. I would be satisfied if they just upgraded the original HL engine somehow and port 1.6 to it, just like it is now, maybe add some guns, but just dont change the guns like they are now, let them be. The main reason i dont like GO and source is because im used to the recoil, spray, aiming needed with the AK, M4 and deagle, if they just put this guns like 1.6, i would pick the game back up
2012-09-21 00:09:56
Honestly the only way for this game to really kick back up is getting Major International attention. When event's take on an FPS game such as CS:GO then the Major Organizations will follow and pick up CS:GO teams then the players will want to follow in the footsteps and train and grow with the game, look at CS-1.6 it had CyberXgames, CPL, Dreamhack, WCG, ESWC, WSVG, GGL, ESEA, CAL, and CEVO so many event's that it was profitable to players to train to have a chance at the total prize pot of the events.
2012-09-21 03:55:22
i think to increase the response of the public to CS:GO, players like GeT_RiGhT, f0rest, Ne[0] etc. should get interviewed in a regular basis so that their fans shld know abt their progress and how far CS:GO is successful in impressing them.....
and yes streaming is a very good additive to the publicity and i do agree to above post....
and yes frag movies should be made for each and every player and it will surely hike the interests for CS:GO.........
exposure is the only way to save CS:GO....
or else there are many games the crowd can get up to......
2012-09-21 21:51:23
lol
2012-09-24 13:11:54

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