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Due to the slow start Counter-Strike: Global Offensive has had since the game's launch just under a month ago, the title's future is now in the hands of players more than ever before in the franchise's history.
Players will tell you it's up to the tournament organizers such as Intel Extreme Masters or DreamHack to pick up Counter-Strike: Global Offensive for the game to become a success, but as time passes it's becoming more and more apparent that is not the case.
We have now had almost a month of Steam's player statistics to analyze, and the outlook is bleak. Counter-Strike's older versions, 1.6 and Source, have both been topping their younger brother in the number of players, and CS:GO doesn't look to be improving.
Now why is this significant? Because as long as Valve will not be chipping in prize money for other tournaments, their and Hidden Path Entertainment's collaboration's future is fully dependant on spectators on a possible future CS:GO TV, viewers on streams and website visits.
Those of you who watched fnatic TV's The Panel featuring Michal "Carmac" Blicharz heard him say he does not think CS:GO can become as big as Counter-Strike 1.6 was if it tries to be CS 1.6. How big was it then? The IEM VI World Championship final between Natus Vincere and ESC Gaming garnered some 70,000 simultaneous viewers, which IEM decided was not enough.
Granted, CS:GO does have more new players coming in and if it continues to grow worldwide and not only in Europe or North America there is a chance it can become a truly global game, which is something IEM and Blicharz have been vocal about, but it will also have to gain more viewers.
While we can blame a myriad of factors for why the viewers have been low so far, ranging from bad spectator experiences to the laggy stream of SteelSeries GO tournament's final and lack of CSGO TV, the fact is that currently CS:GO's player base isn't large enough.
You simply can not get 50,000 spectators out 25,000 active players (peak at one time); not unless it's a huge tournament with names like Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg and Filip "NEO" Kubski meeting in the grand finals for a large sum of cash, and even then it's questionable right now.
Certainly the aforementioned players can't multiply themselves and become new players or spectators, but what they can do is make themselves, as well as their game, more accessible to fans and simply do what they might consider more than their part to help CS:GO to grow.
Since the dawn of time there have been players who prefer not to do interviews, answer questions or comment on things. Lately a member of the hyped Ninjas in Pyjamas team declined an interview on HLTV.org because of the community's approach towards CS:S players.
Similarly players do not wish to stream practice so their opponents can't see their strategies, and lately for example Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund declined sharing his CS:GO POV demo for the same reason. Both of them are understandable, but pretty soon there won't be much left to hide.
This is my somewhat educated guess and hardly a fact or a future set in stone, but I believe DreamHack Winter will largely determine what becomes or doesn't become of CS:GO in the future. It seems that virtually every other tournament organizer is waiting to see how it pans out, and right now the interest isn't there.
How does one go about increasing that interest then? It starts with high profile players like Alesund, Kubski, Lindberg or the VeryGames members being open to the media in gaming. If you turn people down, it becomes increasingly difficult to make potential fans interested.
Streaming would surely help tons as well - it's hardly an exaggeration to suggest the very same former SK members streaming daily for hours prior to the final IEM World Championship for CS 1.6 really made people more excited about the then approaching tournament in late February.
It's almost a shame VeryGames and NiP are destined to face each other this weekend in Valencia, as a meeting between the two at ESWC would be something to look forward to, and if one side isn't quite ready to put up an epic match for people to see, a lot of the hype will disappear far too soon.
Regardless, there are still thousands of Counter-Strike fans who want to see their favorite players in action, whether it is Counter-Strike: Source kings VeryGames or all time 1.6 greats like Kubski or Lindberg, but they need to be interested in watching the game first - and that is up to the players as much as anyone else to do.
Thousands of the fans do not have computers fast enough to run CS:GO or simply are not interested in playing the game, but that doesn't mean the spectating side isn't interesting. I have no interest in playing the game myself, but I do want to find out what happens when NiP faces VeryGames - case in point.
Now, if any of the VeryGames players streamed or more of the NiP players did more often, I might actually be able to watch them play sometimes which could get me more into the game, but that simply isn't the case, is it?
I therefore call the players themselves to action - it's up to you guys to make the community interested, show that CS:GO is interesting to watch and play, or after a few more tournaments with low viewers there won't be more events to save your strats for.
This piece was clearly subjective while also featuring some opinions many would consider facts. What do you, the readers, think? Would more streaming or interviews help your thirst for Counter-Strike? Leave a comment below to let us and the players in question know!
this is my opinion and I do not say this is a fact.
i'm not saying "no one is having fun", tho. even source has its lovers...
cuz that is preety obvious without anyone stating it.When they say GO is the future it means the money flow is there not beacuse it's that good that it will replace a legendary game like 1.6.As lurrpis stated in the article DreamHack Winter will tell the outcome for the future of GO,it's also true that many other organisers are waiting for it to see the results if it's worth to organise a large scale tournament,if there is a low viewership....sorry to say but the game isn't replacing anything :)
the game is random
So, you're saying that at this moment CS:GO can be more competitive than 1.6? Cut the bullshit please
i just wish 1.6 would come back :(
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CS 1.6 Terrorist and CTs, bomb/defuse, buy weapon on the begging of round, previous round won more money
CSGO Terrorist and CTs, bomb/defuse, buy weapon on the begging of round, previous round won more money
Fuck me, isnt that same gameplay?
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They still have the enemies/bomb on radar if even heard in a short distance, which should've been taken out for competitive mode prior to it (the game) even being released. Troll elsewhere.
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Another thing I thought of is some hltv admin to write up a list of the main things the competitive community want changed in csgo or implemented and everyone on all sites to sign it and post it on steam forums. Valve have to see something that is signed by maybe 20-50k people, they have to listen.
Trying wouldent hurt
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Lets be honest though
50k 1.6 players
40k source players
Most of those players are pub players right now that is a fact, source has 35-40k players peek everyday but does that mean its an active comptitive e sport? hell no, it dosent even have any lans left but these pub players are still gona play it , its the same with 1.6.
computers and fps configs
You need to understand also that csgo requires a pretty good computer to be able to run smoothly, it is not playable for most of the market, this is why i think valve should release fps commands.This I think will get people with slower computers playing daily.
Another thing is the community,just take a look at hltv everyday , it has the same 50-100 die hard 1.6ers flaming GO in every possible thread there is (just wait for this thread to pick up)I dont know why they do this? No one is forcing them to play or watch csgo so why are they doing this?
Let me tell you why
They hope that if csgo fails hard that these teams and stars and LANs that have moved over to csgo will return back to 1.6 but everyone with half a brain cell will tell you that this is never going to happen. Sponsors dont want to sponsor this game anymore , LANs will not pick it up without sponsors paying prizes, there is also absolutely 0 new players comming it which is a major must for an esports tittle to thrive.
The stream stats, I dont think csgo has been getting that bad of streaming stats tbh, we had 7k when nip met nonamers at lan that is not bad at all for a small lan with only 1 goo team, now imagine NIP vs Verygames or mouzsports or ESC, the numbers would be right now 15-20k imo that is not bad for now.
Incoming 100 kids coming to flame.
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-> you want this game to succeed so badly but pls be reasonable, cs go is a true flop, people won't watch games between vg,mTw,sk and all others top teams cuz fps aren't popular.
Moreover, sadly cs go doesn't bring to viewers any emotions(I watched a game with my rl friend who play and watch LoL games, they were just bored)
"They hope that if csgo fails hard that these teams and stars and LANs that have moved over to csgo will return back to 1.6 " -> true
But fps are unpopular nowadays, period.
I've been watching GTR's and f0rest's streams and it didn't gave me more interest into the game. I've got a few friends who ask me to gather on GO every day but still can't like the game even if I'm getting better. GO's gameplay just doesn't suit me. They mixed quakelive/CSS and COD and brought randomness in a game to a whole new level.
And the game isn't even close to be finished. In-game sound is terrible. Weapons are too easy to handle. Crap weapons getting you some easy kills with 900$/kill? Come on. And it's easier for CSS' players cause I believe CSS and CSGO's gameplay are the opposite of CS 1.6, where you have to be smart and quiet and prepare good bombsite strike. In GO and CSS it just feels like "LEZZ GO THROW EVERYTHING YOU BOUGHT, RUN AND SPRAY THEM TO DEATH YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE". It's just the opposite. In 1.6 the guy who's holding a line has the advantage compared to the two newer games where the guy rushing and peaking has the advantage.
but yeah i don't have a pc for it, but tbh i would not even buy it if i did.
not yet at least.
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Game is so random lurppis. I wanted to play something new and enjoy in it, I tried CS:GO, and that is not that. I would play it (like 24141231 other players) when valve fix the game. I hope they will do something with this, what we talk, because valve said "we listen players", something like that.
Till that move a lot of us will stay on CS 1.6/CS:S, or CSP like me.
valve listen us, please!
i thought you could read properly
ps. you read very well (you don't actually). see?
CS:GO will fail hard and all the efford will be back to 1.6
most of tournaments won't, but our scene will grow once again
The community would have to do what the Source community did when 1.6 players shunned Source, and that is form an entirely seperate community, and scene with events and tournaments. I just don't see that happening. Peoples grand delusions of 1.6 coming back and people switching back just won't happen.
Hence why people have to get behind the game in great numbers (the greater the numbers, the more likely Valve will listen to the community and actually action the changes). The silly thing is, the stubborn people who don't want to change or don't want CS:GO to work out, is actually shooting themselves in the foot.
1.6 viewers will be missed, and 2013 will be better than 2012.
you can say that i'm naive or whatever, but time will tell
So don't complain if 1.6 is "dead" then... thats the issue, the people who are complaining about 1.6 being dead, is not the ones who "dont care" because quite clearly you do care otherwise there wouldn't be hundreds of threads slagging off CS:GO and saying "why is 1.6 dead". The people who do visit here care enough. The fact that you sit there and tell me you don't is quite funny.
What we can't stand is a inferior and boring(to watch) game replacing the legend. We are able to accept changes, as long as they are for the better
there is nothing called 1.6 pros anymore.
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ps:dont compare LOL to 1.6,they cant even handle dota2 which is also outnumbered by CS at all time.
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"Those of you who watched fnatic TV's The Panel featuring Michal "Carmac" Blicharz heard him say he does not think CS:GO can become as big as Counter-Strike 1.6 was if it tries to be CS 1.6. "
Is he saying that if CS:GO was to be like 1.6 in terms of it's gameplay, then it won't become as big?
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sorry for the english =)
Yeah, because for sure 50k+ players will suddenly switch after "some awesome updates
If it fails, cs:go will fail, if not, cs:go will grow up a lot (not 10 years as 1.6, but 2/3)
im trying to playing this but i dont wanna play a NEW FPS GAME i wanna play a GOOD GAME, BF, COD and CS1.6 are MUCH better than go actualy.
sorry about my pour english :/
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http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey Almost everyone on steam can play CSGO clearly.
CS:GO is fail and this game never get so much fans like 1.6
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Look at dota2 and the support behind it , just this week it had 3 patches so far , while CSGO BARELY a 40mb patch in 2 weeks , do valve care about their game?
And dont tell me this is what we should expect for 15dollars , TF2 is free ( so is dota2 ) and the support behind them is ENORMOUS compared to GO.
Yeah , even every pro team switched to GO ( obviously for money ) , but still , valve is like NOPE...
CS community made steam popular when everyone was FORCED to move from 1.5 to 1.6 , and today this is how you treat us Valve?
I lost all repsect to them.
They don't give a fuck about cs go.
This is extactly the oppo way from CSGO, they wont listen to our fans voice,they wont listen to pros' advise,they release away ealier than they should,they didnt keep much of anything from their most sucessful FPS 1.6 and change almost everything ,they dont have any good updates after the release day,they just dont care about this game,and they hope we will like it? wth are they thinking?
I rather stop playing fps game if 1.6 die than playing a cheap-made game like GO.
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Guys, i was hungry and i had nothing to eat so ate my own shit just because i had to eat something.
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54.6 godz. / 98.4 hours
39.7 godz. / 2,272.3 hours
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
2.9 godz. / 48.9 hours
dota 2 is popular because of china and starcraft because of south korea, the only big game western world now has is LoL
starcraft2 is popular thats because Warcraft3 died and starcraft1 died after SC2 came out,so every1 who love RTF game start playing SC2.
Seriously, so many people were in the Beta and/or bought the game but only a very small part of them plays the game on a daily basis. That`s the total opposite of what CS was known for: Everyone who started playing CS immediately turned into an addict.
And noone enjoys to watch a game he isnt really into it (people who never played SC2/LoL and tried to watch a SC2/LoL stream know what I mean).
Post edited 2012-09-17 18:33:12
It can be a news article under say 'Opinion' Heading, but here we have Blogs for the same.
Good Read btw~ Clarified many points.
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I have a little suggestion here: There must be an official 'Opinion' category in News Section accessible to admins/news writer only. This is a better way of distinguishing news from opinions/articles/suggestions. It can be featured on the front page as a distinct category.
1) Will be interesting to see what HLTV staff thinks about recent changes occurring globally.
2) Will give more freedom to new writers like yourself to put forward their opinions, not just as personal blogs but officially as well.
furthermore, it shows up on the left under "features", clearly separating it from news posts
Features section is good, but it's not to the point. Anyways, there's no need to discuss anything further, because i know it does not matter to anyone here.
I think and hope the game gets considerably better gameplay-wise real soon (next few weeks) or else there only will be RTS & MOBAs left in eSports.
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and delusional, for example the CS 1.6 pros are playing CS:GO in hopes it gets big and gives them more tournaments to play.
I don't hate CS:GO, I just don't find it interesting and as I said in the 20+ entries you replied to, I HOPE it gets better.
I hate Saucers though.
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btw, I edited my last reply to you.
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As of right now I dont plan on buying GO because Valve/HPE are not aiming to give us a quality game.
unless it improves a lot :)
Send me your steam name.
csgo has stupid maps...they wanted them to be as close to reality as possible...stupid objects lying around everywhere ...pillars holding roofs and wat not...if we wanted our games close to reality ...we would not play games...
these idiots at valve shd have bought cs pro mod instead , worked on it and release it as csgo...but these money sucking idiots cant think and do right...
OK, let's flush it
TL;DR support CSGO if you want FPS-genre to stay alive, i don't care anymore :(
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On the other hand,i already try cs:go and my pc doesnt fit, well i have two options: buy a new pc, or keep playing cs with friends. And i choose the last option. As i dont care about go, and the game its not funny for me, i wont buy a new pc, and i dont care if top players are moving or not. They can move, but they know that theres is no fun in that game. ITS JUST BORING
peace my fellows
If cs:go is to be more accessible to fans, it has to be simplified and easy to understand. More spectating features won't make up for the poor game it is.
Let me break this down for you:
- Right now, spectators have no idea what is going on when watching a cs:go game. The overly detailed maps draw confusion for new players. They have no idea why certain grenades are being thrown and how the maps are laid out. Not to mention, teams are much more difficult to differentiate in go than 1.6.
- CS 1.6 worked because new spectators could adapt relatively quickly to the maps and could clearly see opposing teams battle it out. While many intricacies of the game were only known to veterans, it didn't matter in the scheme of simply watching the game for a viewing experience (much like pro sports).
In the end, cs:go is not in the players' hands to succeed. Just like any other product on the market, it is the responsibility of its producers to make it better than its competitors. So far, valve has not convinced gamers that cs:go is of greater value than 1.6 (or even source).
the fact is Valve launched the game too early ...Chet said he didnt want to release an unfinished project, but he did ...this game is far from finished, we dont even have hltv for it
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I first played cs in its 1.5 version(2002 maybe)
and playing competetively since 2005 as i remember. Players like us needs motivation to play.
I will watch cs tournaments whatever is the version, because it's about team play and style. young or veteran - it doesn't matter as long as player has individuality.
my pc is 5 years old but I don't care because imho all cs is played better on minimal settings.
and the worst thing about GO is not even that it's not like 1.6 or source or that it's not fast enough even with regard to its outdated graphics, but that it has so many obvious and reported bugs and requested features. and Valve still doesn't fix/implement them and even doesn't tell if it ever will.
tournaments DROPPED 1.6 ...so clearly tournaments don't want it either......
the only people who want 1.6 back is casual players ..since no organization/tournament will support it after 2013
And I am not going to play CS:GO either. I played the beta. Not impressed. Haven't bought the game yet. I am hoping for some updates that can lead to a more interesting and fast-paced game with improvements on the movement system.
I know youre taking about no bunnyhop / doubleduck but between the terrible maps,bad money system and broken matchmaking I dont think movement is the biggest deal right now...
have you ever tried to jump in the game?
CS 1.6 forever!!!!
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Do this and you will have NO CS at all.
Not GO, not Source, no 1.6
and this means csgo was released too early maybe in year 2013 would be better or wait until valve makes new engine, because source engine has problems with fps games.
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so im only saying it will take time until csgo is playable maybe 1-4years. depends if valve takes control of csgo then maybe in 1 year but the current team that made csgo, if they keep updating it, you know it might take 4years to be playable.
P.S: Lurrpis you are so smart this all was in my mind i dont know what to say else everything was sayed...
ONLY ONE Cs 1.6 FOR EVER!
And a great lurppis article btw!
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I was writing about steam stats. Btw, IEM is big e-Sport event. No wonder it has big spectatorship with sc2, quake and cs players watching it.
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looking for CSGO TV and first tournaments!
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I dont play fps games like CS for the details/graphics and such.
tbh Valve should focus more on improving 1.6 against cheats and stuff like a better file checking system.
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The part I disagree about is the future of the game being in the players hands. CS:GO has been basically forced down our throats since the announcement of the game. VALVE claims they are doing this for the community, to 'combine us', yet they make a competitive game with no HLTV function and as of right now no real intentions of financially backing game the - such as blizzard does for sc2 and riot games does for LoL. Take a look at those steam stats. Is it no wonder the top 2 games have been made FREE for all steam users to download? I spectated the first DOTA2 International tournament (1st place $1,000,000 USD, which was backed by VALVE) and I don't even follow the game. There was too much hype around this game and VALVE really screwed the pooch on this one. If CSGO is going to live, it's up to them. Wasn't it their fault CS:S was the chosen game over 1.6 in CGS because valve refused to give DirectTV the license to the game?
As a long time competitive American 1.6 player and e-sports enthusiasts, I can only see CSGO, or any counter strike to mention, to survive another 2 years without organizers getting their shit together holding worthwhile tournaments. I'm not asking for a CGS type format, but we need CPL type tournaments held multiple times a year, a World Cyber Games that has their shit together and same with ESWC. ESEA could easily step up and host a couple major tournaments for CSGO here in the states (they once teased about if they could get enough subscribers... haha.) I asked torbull in New York if that would ever be a possibility and he firmly said No.
It's completely up to VALVE and tournament organizers to get their shit together to keep CS alive.
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EDIT: I would say it's a necessary risk for an organization like ESEA since their company is based solely on counter strike players.
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also csgo was released to early, so it needs more updates or it will die soon
Let it die. Hopefully someone will buy the franchise in the future, as Valve seem to be totally incompetent at what they do.
To begin with, the game itself isn't all that interesting to watch. The sounds are tinny and stupid sounding, the reg seems horrible, and there's so much going on in the map itself, it's hard to pay attention to opposing players.
Secondly, most of the players who do stream complain themselves about the game and how much they don't like it. A constant defence you hear from players streaming CS:GO is, "I'm just giving it a shot."
The community and the industry alike are just not going to realize in time that no matter how pretty you make the cards, if the game doesn't work, then it doesn't work. How many people honestly watched incredible matches at prestigious events because of the graphics in 1.6? No one. People watch the game for the team work and the individual skill. Add graphics, take away some of the intellectual side of CS (ie: no need to buy ammo or make sure you're holding a better angle) and the game becomes boring as hell to watch.
It's like mindcraft. Purposely bad looking, but it's apparently quite fun to play.
Every other sport in the world has survived, and whattya know, hockey is still played on ice, football is still played on a field, and baseball is still played on a diamond. You don't see those sports changing to attract new spectators, they simply emphasise what is good about the sport.
And actually watching CS:GO stream kind'a very, VERY boring. CS:GO will never be like 1.6, every one knows that.
Sauce-players go to 1.6
EveRyWaN play 1.6:Pppp<3
how stupid can you people be?
and how can you deny csgo as a flop when everyone realises it day by day passing? :D
from there, valve can start implement those feedbacks from both community 1.6/css into csgo and also make csgo tv that IF valve even listen to 1.6/css.
I know it's must be very hard for valve to combine both scene while attracting console players.
P.S. I played the game for ~1-2weeks, it's really awful and not fun at all, source players can be happy, but I'm a 1.6 player so fuck me valve right ?
And for now, I can say I didn't enjoy it. I've tested the beta and it was a failure. I've tested the game few days ago but I didn't buy it, because the problem remains, it's still shit. But don't get me wrong, I'm not spitting on the game because it's not 1.6 like, I'm spitting on it because it just sucks as fps... Come on, I've got 10 years of counter strike behind me, and I manage to enjoy playing cod modern warfare 3 so f*cking much more than cs:go or even l4d2...
Stop saying pro's have understood that is the was the future. They didn't understand shit. I bet that more than half of them don't even enjoy playing it. Only the cash prizes coming for the next events makes them think it's cool. And for some of them, it remains a way to stay at pro level in a game so they can keep getting some advantages of being in a " structure " .. maybe not like a salary for some of them, but almost.. when they would have been thrown out if they had stayed on 1.6.
Game is not going to be any better except some shitty useless changes that will please all "wannabe's" and source players. Considering the way valve acted regarding 1.6, and some of its games, I can already say that this game will be another 1.6 in terms of support/updates, which means after, 2 or 3 years you won't see anything new anymore. Even if the game is not that expensive, I won't buy it considering the way valve's behaviour regarding the community from the past year until now.
CS 1.6 is good game.
CSS sucks, CS:GO sucks.
Atm playing sum Dota 2 after like 7 years of cs 1.6, really manly game, and it isnt like LoL (U learn all in couple of months), instead of that, dota2 opens the new moba world for you, and its so challenging that the learning never stop, you can always do better!. Gotta love dota2 :), btw half million viewers in The international 2 Finals..
(inb4 china all viewers ofmmfg rofl)
take it in the ballz !
And a typo in the inscription under the first picture.
"despite of Chet's promises,"
It's "in spite of" or just "despite."
Btw 70k people can fill one huge football stadium... still confused why IEM did it
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If anything, achieving a higher number of player AFTER years and years is WAY more difficult than putting out 100K players in the first month. Thats why 1.6 is such a legend. 10 years later, and it is still the most played CS ever. Thats hard.
CS:GO is failing to achieve the easy part, which is putting large numbers of players in the very begining.
You are just dumb, and can't accept that CS:GO's numbers are quite pathetic. Bye.
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Here is the truth:
As you can see, there is absolute no sense in saying "the stable number is 25-27K". This is not what the FACTS shows.
Here is evidence of how stupid and biased you are. Glad everybody can see it now.
Have a nice day my friend!
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And btw, I hope you can see how retard you are, claiming that CS:GO numbers will rise, when FACTS are showing the other say arround.
Like I said before, your posts are based on what YOU want to happen, not on reality and facts. Looks like you are a delusional kid. cYA!
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They didnt try to unite 2 communities, if they wanted to unite both communites they would create a game that both would like. Which they didnt. Money whores.
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That could probably chase away other open minded users and pros wouldn't even bother to give interviews.
Could the death of 1.6 be the death of HLTV.org as well? Makes me wonder..
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His achievements > ur life
Post edited 2012-09-18 00:57:50
Some people still dont get the fact that the community has the choice to play the game they like. It doesnt matter if its sponsored, got huge prize money or their old pros play it. If they want to trash talk a game with different aspects you have to aspect that. Since the game is different to other versions. There are pro's and contras some people dont unterstand till today. Its okay if the outer half is tired of the same old cs 1.6 and wanted to play something new and it is okay when they say cs:go is not like cs 1.6
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Post edited 2012-09-17 21:39:07
If the game was something lis cspromod i am sure lots here would be playing, supporting the game but we all know they dont have the support, too many years and betas versions(but theu listem to the p´layers and make the game as competitive as possible)...
Valve have money, programmers but they never listened to the community...so if the game fails, it definitely wont by our fault!!Thats what i think!!
What? That's absolutely ridiculous, how is it our job to show that CS:GO is interesting? IF IT'S NOT. All i see now is a COD lookalike, run & gun, downgraded p.o.s of what was once an amazing game with an extremely high skill ceiling. We can't make people want to play/watch the game, if the game is bad.
Good game = More players = More viewers. Fix the game. Or valve should tell HPE to fck off and hire the CSPromod team, since they have much better knowledge of what this community wants/needs.
Post edited 2012-09-17 20:59:04
I agree with you, right now i have no interest in CS:GO, exactly because of thoes reasons you said. I didn't play cs1.6 for many years but for some reason i still hangout here watching clips and streams because I got my interest..
But since CS died i found this new awesome site teamliquid where all the PRO STARCRAFT2 players practice everyday on there streams, sometimes even explaining there tactics for everyone too see... It's so interesting to follow their streams and follow their tournaments.. AND I NEVER even played an RTS game before, but i actually bought Starcraft2 because of exactly what you are explaning here. Livestreams and nice tournaments made me really interested in that game.
Post edited 2012-09-17 21:33:56
No chance, ALL OF YOU HAVE KILLED COUNTER STRIKE
</3 Hltv and all comunity which prefered broke with the ideals which make 1.6 the best game of the history
haters gonna hate
1.6 > all
dats right kids
1.6 > all
but yeah, brazil has probably 5k non-steam daily players
its all pub scrubs playing shitty mods and custom maps. the overall playerbase is not competitive in the least. i cant find a single decent and active 1.6 pub on the east coast of USA that isnt running shitty gungame or wc3mod or some other bullshit. why doesnt anybody acknowledge the fact that the 1.6 playerbase is so fucking nooby?
Post edited 2012-09-17 21:38:17
how can you say that kids even play cs. People say that the game is too old and does not attract newbies and kids. You're saying that kids play gungame and war3 in 1.6. Even if they do altogether i bet that the amount of kids playing war3 and gungame would be more then the total amount of people playing GO.
53.2 godz. / 145.8 godz. My stats CS GO.
I play and watched. observe GO community with my friend, sometimes asking people:
80% GO PUBS/random match
20% GO versus/pcw/ +/-
And what? 80% causal community. a real mix of COD/Source/1.6 sometimes/ TF2/. They certainly do not think about e-sport aspect of the game.
Casuals! Casuals everywhere!
They have failed to update 1.6, they have failed to understand what CS is all about, they have failed to include any eSports related features (take a look at Dota 2 and then CS:GO...), they have hired the wrong people for the job and yet they keep selling copies.
How do we show Valve that we want the FPS genre to survive? Do we continue buying their shit or do we keep prioritizing gameplay? In my opinion the answer should be painfully obvious but in these CoD-days it is hard to believe that the genre even has a future.
"MW2 sucks, Black Ops sucks, MW3 sucks... when can I preorder Black Ops 2?" Yeah, goodbye gameplay...
CS:GO is utter shit, but people are stupid and keep buying it. Valve is making money by releasing shitty products, so thats what the future holds, shittier products from Valve, and shittier people still buying it.
Its a shame, but what can we do, I guess some people are satisfied with shitty products, so be it.
Post edited 2012-09-17 22:17:17
Come on, they pay source and 1.6 players to visit their headquarters, they worked for so long on the beta, and the game is release with a fucking SHIT broken map like train and nuke? Its completely unnaceptable. What kinda work is that? What were they thinking? I don't care if maps can be developed by users, its completly shitty work to release the game with such stupid maps. And as if maps were the only problem in the game, LOL, the game is fucked up from movement to recoil to money system, to everything.
Valve is just incompetent, period.
And ok, if that is your stance, fine, what do you suggest then? No events want to touch CS 1.6 anymore, so what do we do?
So whats changed?
GO still an inferior game, so the only thing that changed is that 1.6 doesn't have a strong scene today.
Pretty obvious that the situation is FORCING people, even you, to go for the inferior product.
So, your solution is not good for me. To play an inferior and boring (in my opiinion) game, just for the cause, is not an opinion. Not gonna waste hours, years of my life on such an inferior game. No way.
Difference in CS:GO is that it it does not nerf game to be n00b friendly and introduces new things in game.
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Post edited 2012-09-17 23:48:50
(lets be honest, 80% of the users on HLTV wouldnt buy the products the sponsors would be advertising on the website)
Sponsors look at the market where they can place their product placement and how many watch that for example a internet page.And hltv had a pretty decent view count. It doesnt matter if they buy it or not.
From where the hell do you know how many guys buy their products or not? Tell me please. You could revolutionize the marketing market. I am serious man
Funny is even the sponsors come from germany, america, france and denmark :D
How long have you been to hltv? How many hardware/mouse/keyboard threads did you read? You see every day poping up new ones and there creater is from all over the world.
Post edited 2012-09-18 12:12:24
obviously that will bring sponsors but not enough for every member of the admin team to get salaries, keep the servers up and for any fixes on the site...
if 90% of HLTV's userbase was from the nations west of germany/italy (economical 1st world countrys) like i mentioned above then they would probaly find big sponsors easily
and ye.. so many mice.. but lets be honest here the big moneys in computers/motherboards/cpus/gpus and i dont see many of those threads around? so how can a sponsor make THAT much money on a couple of mice and keyboards?
Post edited 2012-09-19 20:23:32
Its true that sponsors pay sometimes more when they can get located adversting like on twitch or owned. They focus them on a special market in their own language. But i didnt ever saw such a chase in hltv.
You saw one? Give me an example
Its kinda funny that you came up with that exactly now. While hltv focuses more and more on cs:go were the so called weak market would and cannot afford good hardware to make it worth sponsoring this site anymore. Actually since a lot of western countries visit that side by now with cs:go in the back. And no i can not prove that but we both see more guys like you showing up. Especially a lot of source player lurking here around and from cadred as well.
"so how can a sponsor make THAT much money on a couple of mice and keyboards?"
Well with manfactures that are focusing on peripheral devices like steelseries, zowie, razer, roccat and co? Which surprisingly sponsor the site :D
Another shot in the knee
Now i look completly dumb do I? :D
Post edited 2012-09-20 02:06:59
Stop offending, let`s support game instead! :)
So why the hell the cs 1.6 community should switch to go?
is like saying : "hey man, 1.6 is dying, move to COD or Dota"
Post edited 2012-09-17 22:04:52
That's not to imply GO has any chance of being the game 1.6 is or that it doesn't, only that such a premise is poor.
HLTV.org is awesome!
I TRIED BUT IT SUCKS :(
Valve has released Source and CS:GO, both compared to 1.6 and generally speaking (compared to other FPS games) wouldn't do so well sales wise as word of mouth has been almost 90% negative.
The only reason they sell so many copies is because they're still under the brand name of "Counter-Strike" which is pretty much taking advantage of the original 1.6 fans as they have come to expect more than mediocre products from Valve since the release of 1.5 and 1.6.
It's disappointing when you see games such as Promod fail all because of the pressure from the community for an early release, resulting in a poorly finished game, which ruined ALL of the hype sorrounding the game and any headway into immediate success.. It would be a different story today if Promod wasn't released as early as it was (all other factors aside)
I'm not having a go at the community for bending the programmers arm into releasing an unfinished product, it's not our fault we hated Valve's piss poor attempt at rejuvenating the Counter-Strike scene with the release of Source, which failed pretty quickly and then increased our desire for a new answer to 1.6
Promod was going to be the answer to the dieing 1.6 scene as it's gameplay (after a few bug issues were fixed) is very close to 1.6's competitive game-play and also meets the looming expectations of eSport sponsors such as intel, nvidia so and so forth as it's engine requires newer computers and products to run the game properly.
A win win for everyone as the sponsors stand to gain money on players upgrading their hardware etc, and the players get a truly great game that resembles exactly what we love about 1.6..
The only difference is there is no large corporation behind promod (such as valve) so funding for the game and the tech support etc etc were too small and undermanned for such a big job. Now that the hype for Promod is all but dead, it will never take off and become as successful as it could have been.
Now we stand here today, with a new Counter-Strike version, "CSGO". Valve haven't tried to keep close to the way 1.6 is in-game, they've tried to spread their tentacles into the other FPS scenes by resembling some of the game-play of Modern Warfare and Call of Duty so that their sales could increase into that market..
All they had to do was create a game that was close to the competitive gameplay of 1.6 but with better graphics, throw in a few extra guns or equipment, whatever.. It wouldn't have made a difference... But they couldn't do it.
I dont like playing the game and specctacting it is also pretty bad. There are just no thrills. I dont know why. But i had this feeling in specctating cs 1.6 matches
You can bet,in a couple of months,there is no more Cs and Cs Source tournaments.
They will force and wait until everyone decides to changes.
They are truely kiling the both games slowly.
Iveen If they have to pay for it happend.
love it how everyday there is another mad saucer/csgo lover replying to every thread+post :D
some day ago that guy with many numbers -> MyNewAccount , a week ago there was that other swedish one Bloomberg or how the fuck he was called...now we have american invasion with stratmatt or how the fuck he called too...funny to see them defending their shit game which is gonna fail soon :D
Post edited 2012-09-17 23:37:43
Actually that cs:go love is like a dictatorship going on here at hltv. Everyone has to play cs:go to have the perfect coumminty of fairytales and love and blablabla. Even thought the majority wants cs 1.6
Post edited 2012-09-17 23:37:33
Ive spoken to alot of 1.6 players, no one actually likes GO, if their switching is because there is no 1.6 tournaments, not because the game is better, which is just fucking stupid.
Also spoken to some people that never played any CS and they said they would never consider buying it, maybe if it was free but even then, its just a shit version of COD.
People need to realize that you should be thankfull, that somebody took the time and effort to create the game. Stop complaining if you dont like it. Create your own game then.
At beginning was meta score for GO 85 , and now is 82
1.6 Meta 88 User 93
CSS Meta 88 User 90
GO Meta 82 User 79
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Post edited 2012-09-18 01:21:36
now we got 3 dead games. GG GUYS
Valve just go and Hire the CSP team and let em ramake the complete physx of game with same graphics and call that CS:2 It may give the final light of hope for FPS LOVERS
Post edited 2012-09-18 05:31:31
Post edited 2012-09-18 09:39:16
Majority of arguments contains only the phrase "CSGO is shit". It's your opinion i see, but instead stating that it is shit, why dont you try to tell us where it went wrong? Is that you who love so much 1.6 though that CSGO should be just like 1.6 but with better graphics? If so, I bet that then majority of community would be whining about CSGO only being a facelift for 1.6. It is different game, and so it feels different. Tooks a while to adapt to it, but personaly I have liked it.
So, if you dont like the game, don't play it. If you like, keep on playing. I have played a lots of games, some I like and some I don't. Ones I dont like, I wont play. It's useless ,and leaves quite arrogant image if you only shout on forums that game xxx is shit day after day without making any point or atleast trying to explain why.
i love when someone say "valve listen players" but that is not true 4 sure
7,793/26,686/Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
Valve dont want update cs 1.6 because they dont wanna do nothing free, so lets go play cs:go(css2.0) but players dont are stupid
Post edited 2012-09-18 10:24:12
Also its been released a few months before Christmas, I can but my bottom dollar on this game getting more views/players after Christmas as it is a cheap game (can be like a stocking filler if you wish) and people will have new PC's so they can actually run the game.
HPE are updating the game, they are listening to people. You can't just expect all the updates to happen at a snap of a finger, it isn't a plain simple process.
Post edited 2012-09-18 10:45:28
it is really sad for me.
What i don't like in CSS and CSGO that this games don't have the dynamic like it was in 1.6. This games really slow and you can easy shot. Even LOL need more practice and skills to play good and this is sad that CSGO became easy game.
Sorry for mistakes.
does somebody really think that CS or CS:Source had 70 000 active players when those games had been month out?
Let's wait like one year, when game have got more and more publicity (and people tell about that game to their friends and so on) and big tournaments. I can promise that CS:GO will be much bigger than CS 1.6 ever was
And sadly nowadays really large number of players play "wared" versions instead of buying game, because that is something they have used to do (get games free from torrent sites and so on and play on unofficial servers) and you can't see those players on valve lists.
The only way to "kill" cs 1.6, is ending events and get high CS:GO prizes .. , and I'm not too convinced that will really happen .
no one seems to like cs:go (including the players) so obviously no one is going to tell their friends to play it. the game is DECLINING in numbers already a month after its release.
you of course offer absolutely no reasoning at all as to why any of what you said would happen, but i can point something out - no one who actually has any sort of knowledge (i'm guessing based on your comment with no backing that you do not) is predicting cs:to to have any chance to come even close to cs 1.6.
just because most regular cs 1.6 players (hltv.org is full of them, because this have been biggest cs 1.6 news site for long time) don't like it, it doesn't mean that all players would think so.
numbers may decline when you only measure short time, but that is normal variance. especially when many cs 1.6 players have tried cs:go (because of its cheap price & many many their idols, former cs 1.6 pros switched to cs:go) and didn't like because "it wasn't like cs 1.6 so it sucks", that explain why it already have some declines.
Also a lot of players "still" play wared versions, but it's pretty sure that that many of them will move to official versions when cs:go ladders & cups become popular. there are already a lot of gathers for wared versions also
This game is so young that month is far from enough time to judge how does it success
And like HeatoN also said, cs:go will be bigger than 1.6, just wait year
Post edited 2012-09-18 13:40:32
Sad thing that even source players hated it and went back to their game, lol.
Very good article btw. There are more people that are with you than against you, trust me.
and HeatoN is one of few people in eSport who actually publicly say what they really think
for example he also called cArn as really bad aimer publicly, regardless that he knew that many eSport fans wouldn't like that at all
can you think of a single other time he has ever said anything like that? he probably just dislikes carn for a reason or another. what i say on the other hand has never been motivated by external factors, i call it like i see it.
i already quit competitive counter-strike six months ago so clearly that is not a concern of mine.
everyone plays cs:go for competition, because they think (and in some cases know) that tournaments are switching to it.
i don't know why you're treating cs:go as your child, but many people do not realize i was one of the most vocal supporters of the game before iem new york.
i said i'd play "any version of cs" as long as the competition moved. i have posted possibly the most out of anyone on the pro player feedback forum. i was in new york for the initial beta test in the game. i have exchanged emails with chet regarding suggestions for the game (albeit only a couple).
i want all the best things for cs:go, hpe/valve simply are not delivering it.
Post edited 2012-09-19 09:19:36
"no one seems to like cs:go (including the players) so obviously no one is going to tell their friends to play it."
I guess you are wrong. I was a 1.6 player and I don't like csgo for some reasons like weird recoil, footsteps sound, different maps (especially train) etc - but that only comes to my mind when thinking as csgo would be the next cs 1.6 (same goes for csgo haters)... And it is not a copy of 1.6, it's just a new game similar to previous counter strikes, right? So as a new game - I think it's okay - and already helped in convincing a few players to play it.
"the game is DECLINING in numbers already a month after its release."
I don't have any idea why do you think so - I'll wait for your "more detail" then.
"predicting cs:go to have any chance to come even close to cs 1.6."
That's actually true. But probably it will be as big as source, maybe bigger.
The truth is we can see a lot of players starting to play cs:go. But of course there will be always players that keep playing cs1.6/css and never csgo. They just still like what they play and/or don't wanna waste money on another new boring (sorry, but it is true for 4fun casual players) only-multiplayer-fps that gets updated too slowly and needs good compuer that is not in everyone's possession. Anyway - all we can do is wait - spamming, writing news about one's opinions etc won't change anything... It's just a game anyway XD .
Do you realise that you sound like those kiddy trolls from this website? Jesus christ you are 24 for fuck sake.
i have only seen heaton pop up publicly (once again, nothing wrong with it, it's what every smart businessminded human would do, but it's basically the opposite of what cs:go players here suggest) to market products he's associated with since his retirement in 2006.
the fact simply is that none of us have seen heaton doing anything in the community out of just wanting to help, he simply hasn't been around in six years.
its time to let go............rip
cool story bro
why we should support a game that we dont like even if it is "a future" but it isnt anyway
just play the games you like...
you feel forever alone or what?
i didnt start talking with you...
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don't try to be smart with me kido
Congratulations Now i Hate HLTV users, finally they shown their own mentality. Too low. :)
Post edited 2012-09-18 16:26:39
Just incredible how can this comunity be so youth in mentality.
StelZ wow... Incredible how can a guy with 17 years beat you in Brain...
I don't care who watches or what they see, the majority of the work I do on teams is kept in private and done on the servers with just 5 on it.
Not only that you play anyone in a pracc in todays world of high end gaming, u`ll likely get ratted, and your strats given out.
NiP are being anal because they want to take advantage of the early stages of the game, they want to win everything at the beginning, but as soon as HLTV comes out the hours and hours spent on learning smokes will soon become pointless because people like me who work full time running their own businesses can just copy the ones they use and use them to my advantage.
Streaming not only gives the community more understanding in the game, but there is some revenue there. Not much, but for something i would be doing anyway im going to adapt my stream and make it as entertaining as possible and hopefully I can make some extra tax free revneue every month :D
CS 1.6 will come back. For sure.
CS:GO shouldn't be too similar to 1.6 because it would be hard for new out-comers to achieve something in global, pro gaming.
I must say that CS 1.6 is almost perfect competitive game and "almost" just because Valve declined to do more updates to this game (because of Source). It's sad. Really, really sad.
The new ideas (such as Molotov etc.) are great. Graphics is quite nice, too.
I can't image that they have no knowledge to build game from 0 which will be connection of 1.6 gameplay with few updates (to make it playable for new out-comers) and better graphics.
Post edited 2012-09-18 20:34:53
BUT IT'S FU**ING NOT
there's no new ideas, it's just all recycled original ideas like all these dota games. there's too many CS games as it stands and you'd think they would of stopped at source.
I think it all started with that CGS trash/crap. :)
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Post edited 2012-09-20 16:13:12
Dont just drop it out, might as well hand us back the money we paid, it would just become a dead game. I would be satisfied if they just upgraded the original HL engine somehow and port 1.6 to it, just like it is now, maybe add some guns, but just dont change the guns like they are now, let them be. The main reason i dont like GO and source is because im used to the recoil, spray, aiming needed with the AK, M4 and deagle, if they just put this guns like 1.6, i would pick the game back up
and yes streaming is a very good additive to the publicity and i do agree to above post....
and yes frag movies should be made for each and every player and it will surely hike the interests for CS:GO.........
exposure is the only way to save CS:GO....
or else there are many games the crowd can get up to......