Fifflaren: "Need the 1.6 community"
By: Pus
Time: 2012-09-20 00:47
Game: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

HLTV.org sat down with NiP captain Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson for an in-dept interview in which the Swedish player touches upon a wide variety of topics.

Although being an unknown name for the general Counter-Strike 1.6 community before joining the ranks of NiP, Johansson has made a name for himself by playing Counter-Strike: Source and boasts a resume that is nothing but admirable.

Johansson started playing Counter-Strike: Source in 2005 and has normally wore the captain's band in teams he has been a part of. The Swedish ace has donned the colors of squads such as zEx, Check-Six, NoA and even Berlin Allianz during the CGS era.

When he played in the Championship Gaming Series, his team came in 3/4th in both seasons. Their performance during the league's short lifespan earned them a stunning total of $140,000 - $70,000 each season. Berlin Allianz was then managed by former NoA and Catch-Gamer member Jonas "bsl" Alsaker Vikan.

Moreover, he was the first draft pick in the second season, a nifty accolade. Johansson's Berlin Allianz were also crowned European champions of the two seasons after beating Stockholm Magnetic, the team managed by Emil "HeatoN" Christensen, in both. 

What is the story behind NiP's lineup? How did the five of you come together?
Well, Heat-Gaming approached GeT_RiGhT and wanted him to make a CS:GO team for them. He got f0rest to join him and they were both in talks with xizt at the time who also wanted to make the switch over to CS:GO. I think that all 3 of them felt that they wanted some Source blood with them on the start of this new journey with a new game that's based on the Source engine. This is where me and friberg came in to the picture. We were already playing Source under the Heat-Gaming organisation and I've been apart of the scene since 2005 being the in-game leader for pretty much every single team I've ever played for. I think that's one thing that they were looking for. And friberg who's been my teammate and also roommate for over 2 years time came in as the last player to fill the gap. They all felt that it was also really important to try and bring the 2 scenes together and there isn't really a better way to do so than to join forces and create a new team consisting of both 1.6 players and Source players. 
Coming from different version of CS, how has it been playing alongside GeT_RiGhT and f0rest? Have there been any differences between you that has been shaped by the two games? (anything from attitude, in-game-related, etc.)
GeT_RiGhT and f0rest are 2 exceptional players. They were amazing in 1.6 and deserve all the respect in the world. But not once have I felt that they look down on myself or friberg because we come from Source. We all understand that this is a new game and we all need to learn it. It doesn't matter if you are crowned the best player in the world in 1.6 or if you come from a CoD background. The only difference I can tell you would be in-game wise. 1.6 and Source are a lot different in comparison to one another. In Source, you really need to work a lot more with flashbangs and smokes, it's a lot more tactics involved. You can pretty much compare it to how 1.6 was back in the days, where teams used a lot of tactics. Now in 1.6 it's mostly pure skill that will win you games. It's not like that in Source or in CS:GO. You need to work with each other in a different perspective. Smokes needs to be placed perfectly and flashes needs to be thrown correctly, if you fail to do that, then you will most likely run into a wall. I've also heard sometimes from my 1.6 teammates that source players tend to play differently. Which is a given!
How is it like working with HeatoN? Could you elaborate on his involvement in NiP?
HeatoN is a great person to be around. He loves Counter-Strike and he would even sacrifice his own living over it. HeatoN's involvement in NiP is that he's our manager. He deals with the back office stuff. And he's also our backup player if one of us can't play! ( He still got it! )
He's also someone that's great to have around, given his past. He knows what we need to do as a team to succeed and he knows how it's like to be a player in an organisation. Which is a great thing to have in a manager!
Before you officially became NiP, you were supposed to represent HeatoN's own brand, Heat Gaming. What changed?
Well, I don't have too much information about this really. It is true that we were suppose to play under Heat-Gaming. We all met up for a photo shoot when they told us that we would be playing under the NiP tag instead of Heat-Gaming. NiP means a lot to HeatoN and he really wanted to make this move over to CS:GO into something even more special, which was to bring NiP back to life!
You and Friberg are the only former Source players in NiP. How is your relationship with him, and what does he bring to the team?
I've known Friberg for a long time now. I had him join a team of mine back in late 2009 / early 2010 but I've known him since before that. We also used to be roommates up until 1 month ago when I decided to move back to Sweden. Friberg is an amazing person both in-game and outside of the game. I consider him a very close friend of mine and I will still consider him as a close friend of mine, even when we stop playing with each other. I'd say that in-game we tend to argue a bit from time to time, but it's never been on a personal level, I think when f0rest, xizt and GeT_RiGhT first heard us quarrel with each other they were a bit shocked. But I love this guy and once the game is over, we are back to our normal selves :)
As for what friberg brings to the team, He's one of the best fraggers that I've ever had the pleasure to play with. He's the guy that you send first to peak a spot or to get the entry frag. Amazing aimer, he doesn't get the respect that he deserves but I hope that people will come to realize that he's here to stay and that he's a great addition to the team both in-game and outside of the game.
Speaking of qualities, you boast a very impressive CV as a team leader. How would you define your leadership style in NiP?
Well, I'd say that it's a lot different now compared to before. It's a new game and we have players from both scenes. The 1.6ers are used to do it their way and of course, us sourcers are used to do it our way. But it's all in the learning process! I'd say that my leadership style now is pretty strict but also lenient. I mean.. try to control people like GeT_RiGhT and f0rest, they are machines and cannot be put on a leash ( f0rest own words! ) But jokes aside. They all respect me as an in-game leader and they do what I tell them to do. If they want to do it their way, that's completely fine by me, as long as the tactic gets done correctly then they will not hear my whiny voice in mumble :-]
More and more teams are shifting their focus to the new game, and VeryGames is obviously a side to be reckoned with. What other teams do you see as possible contenders for the throne?
I think that we will see a lot of contenders for the throne within the near future, there's a lot of teams switching over eager to be one of the top teams that the scene has to offer. Of course, there's a lot of improvements needed for some of the teams but in my opinion the teams that will pose a big threat to us would be mTw, ESC, fnatic and Na'Vi ( if they do decide to switch over), Mousesports.. The list continues! Everyone has their fair shot of the throne, it will be really exciting to see how the scene progress and how it will look like in a few months from now.
You have obviously embraced Global Offensive. Has the rest of the Source community been as receptive as yourself?
I think that most of the Source community already switched over. Especially now when most tournaments decide to switch over to CS:GO as well. Pretty much all of the german scene, French scene, Danish scene, UK Scene, the list goes on! Switched over already. And there will most likely be a lot more to come. The competitive scene is getting bigger and bigger each day, despite what the steam stats show.
Many in the CS 1.6 community have been pretty conservative in supporting the new game. How do you feel about this, and do you think Global Offensive needs the CS 1.6 community to succeed?
I really do understand the CS 1.6 community, they just don't want their beloved game to die. Which it will NEVER do! No one can ever take away what CS 1.6 have done for the FPS scene and I am truly amazed how loyal people are to the game! I honestly believe that we do need the 1.6 community to succeed in keeping CS in general alive as a major tournament title. Don't compare CS:GO to 1.6, you just can't. But I really feel that we need to embrace this change to keep our FPS scene alive in this Dota / SC2 / LoL eSport dominant world.
The Source community has been somewhat outspoken on CS 1.6 players who opt against making the switch. Do you see Global Offensive as the game that could unite the two communities?
Yes, I really do see CS:GO as the game that will unite the two scenes. When Source was first released it got picked up by WCG, which was a shame. Because the game was no where near ready for competitive play, I'd say that because of this, Source as a game has always gotten the bad end of the stick, but this time around I feel that CS:GO is in a way better position than Source ever was. It's really not that buggy, I think that the main thing the game is lacking right now is an AMAZING Spectator client! Which I know that valve is working hard on. It's a shame that it didn't come out earlier, and I hope that it comes out soon. Because it really is needed for the game to grow into a bigger eSport title and unite not just the 1.6 and Source community. But also bring in new communities, such as CoD 4 and other FPS games.
Some will argue that Source players have an advantage in playing Global Offensive compared to those who play CS 1.6.  Do you share this sentiment?
I think that during the beta Source players did have an advantage. The smokes were like Source, it was run on the Source engine, the movement was fairly similar ETC. But if you compare Source to CS:GO at this stage right now, I'd say the ONLY thing that's alike would be the engine. Dust2 is also very similar.. but the other maps changed for us as well! As for some of the updates I mentioned, things that did change that would favor the 1.6 players more would be: The "bobbing" and how people get slowed when shot. These are 2 things we never had in Source, when you got shot in Source, you did not suffer in speed or in accuracy, this is something that's been a hard hit to the Source players, The movement also changed, as well as the nade physics ..  In Source, you didn't really have a recoil pattern. It could go either right or left, in CS:GO you do have a pattern, sure the recoil on some weapons been increased, look at the AK47 for example. But again, this is a part of the learning process we all have to go through to improve in this new game. So to answer your question, no I do not share that sentiment. We all need to learn.
Global Offensive's launch, in all honesty, has been fairly mediocre, but Valve seem to be committed to their new title. What potential do you see in the game?
I think that people tend to look at the amount of players each game have a bit too much.. Sure, 1.6 and Source both have more players on an average day than CS:GO. But this is because 1.6 and Source have a lot of public players who does not play competitivly. Most of the competitive scene from both 1.6 and Source moved over to CS:GO, so if you check the stats on the amount of competitive players each scene's got, then I am sure that CS:GO would be on top right now. But of course, the game needs work. There are still some things that we need fixed for the game to grow even more. In a few months, I think that all of this will look very different. Of course, by the help of the community AND the pro players. I think this is something that's been a bit different in Source compared to 1.6, I feel that the pro players from Source are a lot more helpful than the ones from 1.6. Now I totally understand that the 1.6 community is bigger and more demanding, but this is something that I feel needs to change in CS:GO if we want to take it to the next level.
If Valve asked you to help them make it the ultimate game we all want to see, what changes and features would you suggest?
That is really a tough one.. But I really do share the same ideals valve has. They don't want the FPS scene to be shattered the way it is now, they want a scene that's united. And I think that they are on the way with that, with CS:GO. But if they asked me for my input of the game I'd tell them the following:
Spectator client needs to be done ASAP. We cannot expect a scene to grow without proper spectating measurement.
Some pistols are just way too overpowered. And just quite broke, this needs to be adjusted a little bit. the way it was in 1.6 / Source was good. But right now, I really do not appreciate getting my head blown away by a glock from 100 ft with head armor after only 2 shots to the head, the pistols at the moment seem to just penetrate armor and it's really much of use when you get completely run over anyway by angry glock players. It's not just the glock,  P250, way too good. P2000, way too weak. Dual Beretta's, way too good. List continues.
I actually DO like the money system right now, there are some adjustments that can be made of course.. But all in all, it gives a new aspect to the game and I enjoy it!
A better AND easier demo client is needed
P90 is insanely overpowered, Needs to be nerfed!
And also something that doesn't do THAT much but really sets apart being CT and T is: SILENCER!!!!! Where is it? We want it, and we want it now!!
These are only a few from my list that I feel that valve should put priority in, I'd be happy to take their call if they want to call me!
The former 3D player Volcano has actively been trying to improve CS:GO by making the maps more competition friendly. Do you think we're going to have to rely on the community for better maps, or are you happy with the official ones?
I'm happy with some of the official ones, I really don't want to see remade 1.6 maps come into play in most cases, same goes for Source maps, we want something new and fresh!! If the community creates new unique maps that's good for competitive play, then I can really see them being played on tournaments. I think that the work Volcano put down on De_Nuke_VE is amazing, but it's not perfect yet. There are still some things that needs to be fixed, but even without these fixes, I still think that his version of the map will take over on most tournaments, this is mainly because the valve nuke is just not good enough for tournaments.  I feel that valve did a great thing with remodelling de_train_se, moving the outside bombsite to the middle. I really like it! But that map also needs some loving. The inner bombsite is way too empty and some other adjustments can be made.
Fast-forward a couple of years, where do you see Global Offensive?  
That's really hard to say. I think that this really comes down to the community. The problem 1.6 had and also Source in most cases was that, we didn't get a lot of new blood in the scene. At the end it was just pretty much the same.. We constantly need fresh blood to pick up the game for it to keep growing, if this is accomplished, then I can really see CS:GO as one of the major eSport titles the world have to offer.
Looking ahead to DH Valencia, how do you think that NiP will fare against VeryGames? Also, will a victory in this tournament give a considerable boost for the rest of the tournaments this year?
I think that it's a very anticipated game NiP VS VeryGames. But we try to take it one match at a time. There are other good teams going to DH Valencia, some of which, we haven't even practiced against. If we end up meeting VeryGames then we will do our best to come up on top. But VeryGames deserves all the respect in the world, they are a great team with 5 great individuals and truly a force to be reckoned with. This is also our first international event as a team so winning DH Valencia would mean a lot to us and would for sure give us a considerable boost for upcoming events later on this year.
What events are next up on NiP's schedule? Will we perhaps see you at NorthCon or PSG?
We will try to attend everything that we possibly can. It's not about the money for us. But events that we really want to attend this year would be,  ESWC, NorthCon, PSG and many more. New events pop up every week so it's hard to really get a grasp on which one we will try to attend. But once we know, we will announce it. 

Johansson now leads NiP's Counter-Strike: Global Offensive team, and we sat down with him to hear him out on several topics less than a day before leaving for DreamHack Valencia. In this interview, the team captain talks extensively about Valve's new title, the NiP squad and its players, VeryGames and a lot more.

What is the story behind NiP's lineup? How did the five of you come together?

Well, Heat-Gaming approached GeT_RiGhT and wanted him to make a CS:GO team for them. He got f0rest to join him and they were both in talks with Xizt at the time, who also wanted to make the switch over to CS:GO. I think that all three of them felt that they wanted some Source blood with them from the start of this new journey with a new game that's based on the Source engine. This is where me and friberg came in to the picture.

We were already playing Source under the Heat-Gaming organisation, and I've been a part of the scene since 2005, being the in-game leader on pretty much every single team I've ever played for. I think that's one thing that they were looking for. And friberg, who's been my teammate and also roommate for over 2 years time, came in as the last player to fill the gap. They all felt that it was also really important to try and bring the two scenes together, and there isn't really a better way to do so than to join forces and create a new team consisting of both CS 1.6 players and Source players. 

Coming from different version of Counter-Strike, how has it been playing alongside GeT_RiGhT and f0rest? Have there been any differences between you that has been shaped by the two games?

GeT_RiGhT and f0rest are two exceptional players. They were amazing at CS 1.6 and deserve all the respect in the world. But not once have I felt that they look down on myself or friberg because we come from Source. We all understand that this is a new game and we all need to learn it. It doesn't matter if you are crowned the best player in the world in CS 1.6 or if you come from a CoD background.

The only difference I can tell you would be in-game wise. CS 1.6 and Source are both a lot different in comparison to one another. In Source, you really need to work a lot more with flashbangs and smokes - it's a lot more of tactics involved. You can pretty much compare it to how CS 1.6 was back in the days, when teams used a lot of tactics.

Now in 1.6 it's mostly pure skill that will win you the games. It's not like that in Source or in CS:GO. You need to work with each other in a different perspective. Smokes need to be placed perfectly and flashes need to be thrown correctly; if you fail to do that, then you will most likely run into a wall. I've also heard sometimes from my CS 1.6 teammates that Source players tend to play differently, which is given!

How is it like working with HeatoN? Could you elaborate on his involvement in NiP?

HeatoN is a great person to be around. He loves Counter-Strike and he would even sacrifice his own living over it. HeatoN's involvement in NiP is that he's our manager. He deals with the back office stuff. He's also our backup player if one of us can't play! (he's still got it!)

He's also someone that's great to have around, given his past. He knows what we need to do as a team to succeed and he knows how it's like to be a player in an organisation, which is a great thing to have in a manager!

Before you officially became NiP, you were supposed to represent HeatoN's own brand, Heat Gaming. What changed?

Well, I don't have too much information about this, really. It is true that we were suppose to play under Heat-Gaming. We all met up for a photo shoot when they told us that we would be playing under the NiP tag instead of Heat-Gaming.

NiP means a lot to HeatoN and he really wanted to make this move over to CS:GO into something even more special, which was to bring NiP back to life!

You and Friberg are the only former Source players in NiP. How is your relationship with him, and what does he bring to the team?

I've known friberg for a long time now. I had him join a team of mine back in late 2009 / early 2010, but I've known him since before that. We also used to be roommates up until one month ago, when I decided to move back to Sweden.

Friberg is an amazing person both in-game and outside of the game. I consider him a very close friend of mine and I will still consider him a close friend even when we stop playing with each other. I'd say that in-game we tend to argue a bit from time to time, but it's never been on a personal level. I think when f0rest, Xizt and GeT_RiGhT first heard us quarrel with each other they were a bit shocked. But I love this guy and once the game is over, we are back to our normal selves.

As for what friberg brings to the team, he's one of the best fraggers that I've ever had the pleasure to play with. He's the guy that you send first to peak a spot or to get the entry frag. Amazing aimer, he doesn't get the respect that he deserves, but I hope that people will come to realize that he's here to stay and that he's a great addition to the team both in-game and outside of the game.

Speaking of qualities, you boast a very impressive CV as a team leader. How would you define your leadership style in NiP?

Well, I'd say that it's a lot different now compared to before. It's a new game and we have players from both scenes. The CS 1.6 players are used to do it their way and, of course, us Source players are used to do it our way. But it's all in the learning process!

I'd say that my leadership style now is pretty strict, but also lenient. I mean, try to control people like GeT_RiGhT and f0rest; they are machines and cannot be put on a leash. (f0rest's own words.) But jokes aside, they all respect me as an in-game leader and they do what I tell them to do. If they want to do it their way, that's completely fine by me, as long as the tactic gets done correctly then they will not hear my whiny voice over Mumble.

More and more teams are shifting their focus to the new game, and VeryGames is obviously a side to be reckoned with. What other teams do you see as possible contenders for the throne?

I think that we will see a lot of contenders for the throne within the near future. There's a lot of teams switching over eager to be one of the top teams that the scene has to offer. Of course, there's a lot of improvements needed for some of the teams but in my opinion the teams that will pose a big threat to us would be mTw, ESC, fnatic and Na'Vi (if they do decide to switch over), mousesports... the list goes on.

Everyone has their fair shot of the throne, it will be really exciting to see how the scene progresses and how it will look like in a few months from now.

You have obviously embraced Global Offensive. Has the rest of the Source community been as receptive as yourself?

I think that most of the Source community has already switched over. Especially now when most tournaments decide to switch over to CS:GO as well. Pretty much everyone in the German scene, French scene, Danish scene, UK scene (the list goes on) has switched over already. And there will most likely be a lot more to come. The competitive scene is getting bigger and bigger each day, despite what the Steam stats show.

Many in the CS 1.6 community have been pretty conservative in supporting the new game. How do you feel about this, and do you think Global Offensive needs the CS 1.6 community to succeed?

I really do understand the CS 1.6 community, they just don't want their beloved game to die - which it will NEVER do! No one can ever take away what CS 1.6 has done for the FPS scene and I am truly amazed how loyal people are to the game!

I honestly believe that we do need the 1.6 community to succeed in keeping CS alive in general as a major tournament title. Don't compare CS:GO to 1.6, you just can't. But I really feel that we need to embrace this change to keep our FPS scene alive in this DotA / SC2 / LoL e-sport dominated world.

The Source community has been somewhat outspoken on CS 1.6 players who opt against making the switch. Do you see Global Offensive as the game that could unite the two communities?

Yes, I really do see CS:GO as the game that will unite the two scenes. When Source was first released it got picked up by WCG, which was a shame. Because the game was nowhere near ready for competitive play. I'd say that because of this, Source as a game has always gotten the bad end of the stick, but this time around I feel that CS:GO is in a way better position than Source ever was.

It's really not that buggy, I think that the main thing the game is lacking right now is an AMAZING spectator client, which I know that Valve is working hard on. It's a shame that it didn't come out earlier, and I hope that it comes out soon. Because it really is needed for the game to grow into a bigger e-sport title and unite not just the 1.6 and Source community, but also bring in new communities, such as CoD 4 and other FPS communities.

Some will argue that Source players have an advantage in playing Global Offensive compared to those who play CS 1.6. Do you share this sentiment?

I think that during the beta Source players did have an advantage. The smokes were like Source, it is run on the Source engine, the movement was fairly similar etc. But if you compare Source to CS:GO at its current stage. I'd say the only thing that's alike would be the engine. Dust2 is also very similar, but the other maps changed for us as well!

As for some of the updates I mentioned, things that did change that would favor the CS 1.6 players more would be: The "bobbing" and how people get slowed when shot. These are two things we never had in Source. When you got shot at in Source, you did not suffer in speed or in accuracy; this is something that's been a hard hit to the Source players.

The movement also changed, as well as the nade physics. In Source, you didn't really have a recoil pattern. It could go either right or left; in CS:GO you have a pattern. Sure, the recoil on some weapons has been increased. Look at the AK-47 for example. But again, this is a part of the learning process we all have to go through to improve in the new game. So to answer your question, no, I do not share that sentiment. We all need to learn.

Global Offensive's launch, in all honesty, has been fairly mediocre, but Valve seem to be committed to their new title. What potential do you see in the game?

I think that people tend to look at the amount of players each game has a bit too much. Sure, CS 1.6 and Source both have more players on an average day than CS:GO, but this is because CS 1.6 and Source have a lot of public players who do not play competitively. Most of the competitive scene from both 1.6 and Source moved over to CS:GO, so if you check the stats on the amount of competitive players each scene's got, then I am sure that CS:GO would be on top right now.

But of course, the game needs work. There are still some things that we need fixed for the game to grow even more. In a few months, I think that all of this will look very different. Of course, by the help of the community AND the professional players.

I think this is something that's been a bit different in Source compared to 1.6: I feel that the professional players from Source are a lot more helpful than the ones from 1.6. Now I totally understand that the CS 1.6 community is bigger and more demanding, but this is something that I feel needs to change in CS:GO if we want to take it to the next level.

If Valve asked you to help them make it the ultimate game we all want to see, what changes and features would you suggest?

That is really a tough one, but I really do share the same ideals Valve has. They don't want the FPS scene to be shattered the way it is now; they want a scene that's united. And I think that they are on the right path with that, with CS:GO. But if they asked me for my input for the game I'd tell them the following:

 - A spectator client needs to be done ASAP. We cannot expect the scene to grow without proper spectating measurements.

 - Some pistols are just way too overpowered. And quite broke. This needs to be adjusted a little bit. The way it was in CS 1.6 and Source was good. But right now, I really do not appreciate getting my head blown off by a glock from 100 ft with helmet armor after only two shots to the head.

- The pistols, at the moment, seem to just penetrate armor and it's really much of use when you get completely run over anyway by angry glock players. It's not just the glock, though. P250: way too good. P2000: way too weak. Dual Berettas: way too good. The list goes on.

- I actually like the money system right now. There are some adjustments that can be made, of course. But all in all, it gives a new aspect to the game and I enjoy it!

- A better and easier demo client is needed.

- P90 is insanely overpowered, needs to be nerfed!

- Also, something that doesn't do that much, but really sets apart being CT and T is the silencer. Where is it? We want it, and we want it now!

These are only a few from my list that I feel Valve should prioritize. I'd be happy to take their call.

The former 3D player Volcano has actively been trying to improve CS:GO by making the maps more competition friendly. Do you think we're going to have to rely on the community for better maps, or are you happy with the official ones?

I'm happy with some of the official ones. I really don't want to see remade CS 1.6 maps come into play in most cases - the same goes for Source maps. We want something new and fresh! If the community creates new, unique maps that's good for competitive play, then I can really see them being played in tournaments.

I think that the work Volcano put down on de_nuke_ve is amazing, but it's not perfect yet. There are still some things that need to be fixed, but even without these fixes, I still think that his version of the map will take over in most tournaments. This is mainly because Valve's de_nuke is just not good enough for tournaments.

I feel that Valve did a great thing with remodelling de_train_se and moving the outside bombsite to the middle. I really like it! But that map also needs some loving. The inner bombsite is way too empty and some other adjustments can be made.

Fast-forward a couple of years, where do you see Global Offensive?  

That's really hard to say. I think that this really comes down to the community. The problem CS 1.6 had, and also Source in most cases, was that we didn't get a lot of new blood to the scene. At the end it was just pretty much the same. We constantly need fresh blood to pick up the game for it to keep growing. If this is accomplished, then I can really see CS:GO as one of the major e-sport titles the world has to offer.

Looking ahead to DH Valencia, how do you think that NiP will fare against VeryGames? Also, will a victory in this tournament give a considerable boost for the rest of the tournaments this year?

I think that it's a very anticipated game, but we try to take it one match at a time. There are other good teams going to DH Valencia as well, some of which we haven't even practiced against. If we end up meeting VeryGames, we will do our best to come up on top. But VeryGames deserves all the respect in the world, they are a great team with five great individuals and truly a force to be reckoned with.

This is also our first international event as a team so winning DH Valencia would mean a lot to us and would for sure give us a considerable boost for upcoming events later on this year.

What events are next up on NiP's schedule? Will we perhaps see you at NorthCon or PGS?

We will try to attend everything that we possibly can. It's not about the money for us. But events that we really want to attend this year would be ESWC, NorthCon, PGS and many more. New events pop up every week so it's hard to really get a grasp on which one we will try to attend. But once we know, we will announce it. 

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you will never get us!

Post edited 2012-09-20 00:48:23
2012-09-20 00:47:34
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2012-09-20 00:51:01
Sorry for broadcast: I really hope that people who acknowledge themselves as the die-hard loyal fans of 1.6 to share the same view as #116.

Stay united! Stay strong! 1.6 United!
2012-09-20 03:17:08
wtf man u stole my slogan.
2012-09-20 03:27:59
1.6 can't be united under ur flag lol, wcg tourists
2012-09-20 04:33:07
the samo goes for ur and mine and many more :)
2012-09-20 12:40:27
haha
2012-09-21 03:57:49
by: r32
#273
+1
2012-09-20 07:02:31
by: r32
#274
+123131232131
2012-09-20 07:02:32
thats a fast reply... you read fast

Post edited 2012-09-20 00:52:19
2012-09-20 00:51:43
:)
2012-09-20 01:01:14
+1
2012-09-20 01:09:48
speak for yourself mate ;)
2012-09-20 01:20:51
he speaks for me 2

Post edited 2012-09-20 02:09:23
2012-09-20 02:09:14
+1
2012-09-20 01:28:32
+1
2012-09-20 01:29:51
agree
2012-09-20 01:44:23
+1 hehe
2012-09-20 02:32:45
not with that bad game, yeah :D
2012-09-20 03:07:03
by: 511
#200
+1
2012-09-20 03:59:18
+1
2012-09-20 10:21:13
+1
2012-09-20 13:54:03
+1
2012-09-20 17:39:01
+1
2012-09-20 18:35:00
well, he got you :D
2012-10-10 08:58:17
oh cs what have they done to you..
2012-09-20 00:49:19
+1:(
2012-09-20 01:09:36
no thank you
2012-09-20 00:50:32
+100
2012-09-21 14:30:52
by: Lord.
#7
We will never support that game :)
Cs 1.6 was and still the main game in our minds , at least , main
@ bye
2012-09-20 00:50:41
+1
2012-09-20 01:10:05
+1
2012-09-20 01:26:33
-100000000000x100000000000000000000000000000x100000000000000000000000^200000
I'm a veteran CS player that has touched source for like 6 days in total. CS:GO I have now 60+ hours on top. I LOVE CS1.6 (and the older versions), especially I did not want to change from WON DB based 1.5 to 1.6 but had to make the change when WON was shutdown. Although I'll cut to the chase.. CS:GO is not that bad of a game. I really think its a good game(although its not as good as 1.6 I find it more interesting in the sense of bringing something new to learn & have fun with) thats the thing that separates 1.6 & source from CS:GO its new, fresh, entertaining(not in a way that its better.. not saying its that much worse but its NEW, u learn new stuff everyday playing it!) the new stuff might make it better game since in 1.6 u know everything and the flaws and tricks make the game better than cs:go! learn the tricks and "bug abuses"(russianjump for an example) + recoil from cs:go and I bet ur gonna like the game no matter if its better than 1.6 or not! u like it, thats all that matters. if the scene works on go and not in 1.6.. ill go play cs:go! (actually now I play both)
2012-09-20 02:21:52
GL for you
2012-09-20 02:32:35
maybe for you is not bad but most of people can't look at it, not to mention about playing...

for me its not even close to CS 1.6. Its something like Source - ofc many things are better but still this game is shit. And i don't see any reason to play.
2012-09-20 02:40:00
#163
2012-09-20 02:41:23
+1000
2012-09-20 09:53:53
man its something like COD, its just fail by Valve because they create second cod, so for what the fuck i must play it where i have COD, CSpromod is one option or 1.6 nothing more, GO have no chance 1.6 community it's too priority

Post edited 2012-09-20 15:32:57
2012-09-20 15:31:24
i agree. i was very negative towards cs:go but when a couple of my friends purchased it i decided to do the same. after just playing a few games i think it's actually quite fun. but most of all it's something new, something fresh in a game that's been old for so long. i enjoyed it quite a lot, but unfortunately my friends didn't share my view so now im stuck at dota ^-^

everytime i play 1.6 now it just feels ... boring. the scene, the game, everything. sure, it can be fun like once every one hundred match or so but nothing more than that. the 1.6 era is over, it was nice but it's time to move on.
2012-09-20 03:30:16
+1
2012-09-20 13:26:41
+1
2012-09-22 21:00:52
oh and +1 for supporting 1.6 community although I dont like the tubesight everyone(not everyone) has.. and not meaning the ones that sincerely dislike the game but the ones that first of all dont want to dedicate enough time to a game to learn the good things of it or the ones that hate other games taking 1.6's place or support(sponsors&organizers). thats just so childish. ofc I'd like to 1.6 carry on but it just wont happen.
2012-09-20 02:40:48
+1
2012-09-20 04:16:22
+1
2012-09-20 04:28:16
I forgot one word "narrow"
2012-09-20 04:40:02
+1 1.6 is the best !
2012-09-20 05:18:02
"we", lol.
2012-09-20 12:28:53
+1
2012-09-20 13:53:49
+1
2012-09-21 16:00:19
but we don't need you
2012-09-20 00:51:40
by: ni0x
#97
ahhahahahah
2012-09-20 01:37:16
True, dead things don't need anything
2012-09-20 04:48:30
who's dead?
2012-09-20 14:10:13
your game

2012-09-20 17:59:30
can be ... but your game will never be more alive than mine, or simply not going to have much time to live
2012-09-20 18:15:44
implying i play csgo/css at all

nope, dotafag
2012-09-21 00:25:16
dotafag? ahah ok madscrub
2012-09-21 00:30:35
lol, calling someone a 'dotafag'. Keep raging whilst dota gobbles up every cs title combined in terms of esports-size. I loved 1.6 but the absolute idiots with no brain have contributed toward this slow death.

Post edited 2012-09-21 05:08:12
2012-09-21 05:07:47
if you read and understood the meaning of these words you wouldn't be raging at me bro

and I ain't even slightly mad
2012-09-23 21:55:28
We're not talking about Source
2012-09-20 16:56:28
+1 :D
2012-09-20 09:55:05
no thanks.. prefer play minecraft
2012-09-20 00:51:56
+1
2012-09-20 00:55:24
+1
2012-09-20 13:10:49
Seems like 1.6 community will join to dota 2.
2012-09-20 00:52:24
+10000000 dota 2 is fucking great game
2012-09-20 00:55:36
I already did that. Amazing game.
2012-09-20 01:00:14
As i see, half of 1.6 community already did it.
2012-09-20 01:06:33
well not only to dota aswell to LoL :P
2012-09-20 04:36:47
kids go to lol

men go to dota
2012-09-21 09:42:07
+1
2012-09-20 01:04:13
yup, when cs 1.6 died i switched immediatly to dota 2, awesome game, awesome community and great graphics and teamplay possibilities.
2012-09-20 01:09:52
It is a great game man, I've been supporting/following it since last year's TI.
2012-09-20 01:23:37
I played dota 2. It's looks really great, but i prefer FPS.
2012-09-20 01:27:58
+1
2012-09-20 03:34:31
Already did, do the same, awesome massive game.
2012-09-20 09:30:09
+1, Dota2 is a perfect game. I sticked to playing 1.6 more than D2 though.
2012-10-18 09:17:18
Dream on
2012-09-20 00:53:14
Nope , thanks you , prefer to play LoL or some game like this.
2012-09-20 00:54:08
we need 1.6 players to play go... so you need us to sell you like you all did? nah-
2012-09-20 00:54:13
LMAO, don't come back here to cry when leagues and tournaments will not take any fps title in anymore only because you didnt want to support one.

You can play 1.6 whenever you want, indeed I play all of the versions myself actively too. But if you want to keep FPS games alive in COMPETITIVE SCENE, TOURNAMENTS etc. , the only way to do that at the moment is to support CS:GO.
2012-09-20 07:30:33
How do I support CS:GO?
2012-09-20 11:26:14
By watching and/or playing it.
2012-09-20 15:02:36
How does me playing the game support it when I am not a professional player?
2012-09-20 15:17:08
What if I dislike doing both of those?
2012-09-20 15:32:44
Then you don't have to be surprised when, in a few years, competitive FPS only have a small fanbase with few tournaments.
2012-09-28 14:57:05
You'll get it when you start playing cs 1.6 competitively.
2012-09-20 00:55:31
You can't play competitively by yourself.
2012-09-20 05:08:40
Obviously he did not mean by himself you smartass...
2012-09-20 09:57:34
Probably he wanted to say that he would be the only guy playing that game :D.
2012-09-20 13:24:05
Well than I feel sorry for him :D.
2012-09-20 13:24:53
He can play competitively with me.
2012-09-20 15:34:19
Comments here are just sad...
2012-09-20 00:56:52
not sad at all , but very good cause many people still loyal to the game which like to play
2012-09-20 00:59:32
People are loyal to 1.6 the for the same reasons they're patriotic - useless reasons. Neither loyality nor patriotism are logical, so I don't see why they're still doing it.
2012-09-20 05:02:56
Well i think you cannot be more wrong...
2012-09-20 09:58:57
You mistyped "correct".
2012-09-20 16:45:41
Of course I did not. Anyways I thought danes are more clever in general, I was wrong..
2012-09-20 17:02:45
You mistyped "were".
2012-09-20 17:03:50
this dane is . . . i don't know what he is
2012-09-20 19:00:06
So true
2012-09-20 12:30:11
agreed.
2012-09-21 05:09:13
You all are little kids you know?:/
Just because cs 1.6 was the game you have been supporting for years you can't go on to another game? Your life is over now?:/ please.. CS:GO kicks CS 1.6 away now , it's an old game. Time to find a replacement. Or will you drive the same shitty car for your whole life? no:) , you will get a newer , better car. That's the same with cs:GO , it brings a lot of possitive things together.. , not only 1.6 community , but also source , and even call of duty community is switching to cs:go. And what do you guys miss about cs 1.6? The big tournaments, the teams, well.. if all these communities get together. The cs:go community will be bigger than cs 1.6 , source and cod ever been ! So please stop whining and look to the future :) cs 1.6 is the past:)
2012-09-20 00:59:17
we dont need replacement
2012-09-20 01:00:00
indeed you don't but if you earn your money with playing a game then you'll see you have to go with the game who gives the most money, which will be cs:go because 1.6 has been dieing slowly :) but if you don't like replacement , then stop whining about it and spend the 2minutes thinking about this comment and typing it to something better (: you won't reach something with whining all the time;)

Post edited 2012-09-20 01:02:19
2012-09-20 01:01:16
that's complete bullshit. 95% of the player base of 1.6 never made money from it and it will be the same for CS:GO. Talking about money to us is really stupid.
2012-09-20 01:04:20
and those 95% are whining now that they don't want a change;)
2012-09-20 01:05:17
thing is, people are more whining about how we don't wanna change that we are about those who change :)

"we need 1.6", we don't need them.

Post edited 2012-09-20 01:07:15
2012-09-20 01:06:39
thing is , people don't want to see an old game die.. , just same like source, when source came in , immediately all 1.6 players had been hating all the time without giving it time:)
2012-09-20 01:08:33
guess what, CSS never achieved nothing, weren't we right ? Just because that game is called after our beloved game's name doesn't mean we have to change for it.

You said: "will you drive the same shitty car for your whole life? no:) , you will get a newer , better car".

Well yeah, but in this case, CSGO is newer, not better. At least, not better to me.
2012-09-20 01:13:03
after the first car ever was made , the second wasn't a ferrari? or was it? no(: it
needed time to get a better one(: so , people just have to give cs:go time. :)
2012-09-20 01:16:24
It won't change that much. Stop saying this shit, it's always the same, saying CS was bad in the beginning bla bla. CSGO has 12 years of experience to build itself on. It's crap for me and just look at the few past changelogs, tons of tiny bugfixes, no really changes.
2012-09-20 01:23:02
CSS had it's time, and it's still terrible today. We don't mind switching to a new CS, as long as it's not terrible.

Post edited 2012-09-20 01:39:56
2012-09-20 01:39:29
You are really idiot really... I am sorry
2012-09-20 10:04:14
+1
2012-09-20 13:11:28
Why is it bullshit(?) 1.6 doesnt have a global competitive top-scene any longer, those glory days are long gone by some years now.

Be thankful instead to Carmac and such ppls involved convincing sponsors to even put a slightest amount attention and organisers like ESWC, WCG, DH, e-Stars, GG etc for still suporting a game (until last year) which looked more like 1998 than 2012.

If you disagree then go play some "1.6" ZombieMod just like majority of the GoldSrc-users to keeping those numbers "legit".
2012-09-20 02:30:01
Did you even read what I wrote? You're saying stuff that doesn't even have any correlation with what I wrote.
2012-09-20 04:06:42
Indirectly - the little deeper point. Then my sentances are valid enough for you rabidly mad GO-haters. But (Ofc) you will never admit such.
2012-09-20 04:16:53
Btw, be thankful to Carmac? Okay he's done great things, but he's part of the guys who decided CS 1.6 didnt have a place at IEM anymore, killing it even faster.
2012-09-20 04:08:08
Simply bcuz, he along with all other organisers are right.

Companies with their modern products wich are supporting the bigger tournaments dont wanna be linked with semi-tetris any longer.

So none killed 1.6 - it lived in OVERTIME for a couple of years, at least. Be thankful for that instead.

Post edited 2012-09-20 04:23:53
2012-09-20 04:23:11
This all bullshit you're saying still doesn't make any sense compared to what I said in the first place. I never said I wanted CS 1.6 to live again at the top level. I know it's dead and I totally disagree with all the folks saying "please bring 1.6 back". But I even more strongly disagree with those saying "move on, go on CSGO".

I'm gonna finish this deaf discussion repeting myself (yeah because I'm coherent): "Just because that game is called after our beloved game's name doesn't mean we have to change for it."
2012-09-20 10:13:46
Now you modify your opinion a bit after i told you the truth.

Thats the spirit boii.
2012-09-20 10:49:34
Rofl, I didn't change any mind, you decided what was my mind in the first place and attacked me on some point I never tried to make.

For the last time: "Just because that game is called after our beloved game's name doesn't mean we have to change for it."

That's all I've been saying from the beginning, still pointing in out in my last post, and I changed my mind?! And btw what truth did you say ? You only threw random arguments that didn't even have any correlation with me.
2012-09-20 13:48:52
Telling the truth is not attacking, you seem way to sensitive.
2012-09-20 13:56:39
You told no truth, you only said bullshit that didn't even make any sense compared to what I said. But you seem to like to play the big leet guy so I'll let you in your misery and let you think you totally made a point there.
2012-09-21 18:36:36
Carmac himself stated that no sponsor had never even so much as hinted, to IEM, to switch to games with better and more demanding graphics.

It's all about the viewer numbers.

That's why a game with as shitty graphics as LoL can be one of the main titles for IEM.
Or do you have any other explanation for that?
2012-09-20 15:42:40
You say:

"It's all about the viewer numbers"

Thats completly false.

Carmac told 1.6 doesnt have that wide Global top-scene enough. Those years around mid millenium were the true days of CS 1.6.
Since then it has been living in OT, more and more - year after after year. Once again all 1.6-diehardfans should just be thankful for that and stop acting like confused gutter-childs.

The graphipcs may not be the only decided factor in it self, ofc not, but one of them is far from attractive having a game that looks more simular to duke nukem 3D then what we actually consider a more modern game.

Wich leading companies in 2012 and future whants to support such stoneage-enginge like for example GoldScr in the longer run - along with exposing their new and modern products at exihbitionhalls where most of the tournaments are taking place.

The only answer: None !

2012-09-20 23:38:51
Exactly!

+1
2012-09-20 10:01:20
99% of Counter Strike players will never win any money from playing the game so why would we care which game gives the most money?
2012-09-20 11:28:39
They aren't coming together. 1.6 is still a better game. Your logic makes no sense. Who cares if you get paid to play a bad game that nobody is going to watch. THAT WON'T LAST LONG. :)

Post edited 2012-09-20 01:05:00
2012-09-20 01:04:05
why the fuck should i be forced to play a game that i don't like? just because some guy needs to get money from it?

i don't think so
2012-09-20 01:10:05
does fifflaren asks you guys to play it? no(: he asks to accept it as an new fps top game :) and that is what you hillbilly's do not because of you all live in caves from 1.6(:
2012-09-20 01:11:18
he says he needs the 1.6 community. i'm part of the 1.6 community. i don't like the game itself. so he can't count on me. easy



it's not living in 1.6 caves. i want to play a enjoyable game. GO is not enjoyable, so why should i stop playing 1.6?
2012-09-20 01:15:12
if you enjoy 1.6 , why are you whining about something you don't give a shit about then?:D the minutes you spend on this topic , you can play 1.6 (;
2012-09-20 01:17:28
just because i don't like GO i can't watch games, the community, etc? lol, nice logic you got there

why should i play 1.6? if i'm not in the mood, i don't play, simple... just because i love 1.6, it doesn't mean i have to play it 24/7. and oh, why does 1.6 needs me if i can count on 50k people to keep the game alive? we don't need valve support to keep the game rolling
2012-09-20 01:22:23
Whose forcing you to play CSGO? Play 1.6.
Fifflaren is only saying that they need the 1.6 community aswell. Nobody is forcing you to play it.
2012-09-20 10:14:23
take a look at #24.


he says "Just because cs 1.6 was the game you have been supporting for years you can't go on to another game? Your life is over now?". he clearly says that 1.6 players should stop supporting 1.6 and move on to other games....

check #66. already talked about Fifflaren's statement
2012-09-20 17:17:49
I thought we were talking about what Fifflaren said lol. Fifflaren didn´t say you need to play anything he just said he needs trhe support of CS 1.6 community. I wouldn´t care less what GETCON said.
2012-09-21 10:24:26
but the opinion of the community matters too. too bad it isn't heard by valve
2012-09-21 17:18:08
You did not answered his question , just saying.
2012-09-20 17:07:04
enjoying 1.6 =/= hating CS:GO.

i know you are trying to look smart and all, but if you look close I answered his question with another question. read it again
2012-09-20 17:13:15
answering a question with another question shows how insecure you are, somehow
2012-09-20 17:15:31
one think has nothing to do with the other. and btw, why should i be insecure?
2012-09-20 17:19:16
+1
2012-09-20 14:36:29
omg u are really and truly stupid, sorry to say! who is forcing you to change? if u wanna keep playing CS 1.6 DO!
2012-09-20 01:22:50
??? go read #24. he asks 1.6 players to move to another game. i'm just saying i won't move. that's it, nothing more, nothing less.

don't be a mad nab
2012-09-20 01:25:44
in what world is saying Cs:go is the future, telling u to switch? how can any1 tell u to do anything? do what u want, no1 cares! ofc it would be from every1's best interest to have all CS communities united in 1, but no1 will force u to switch!
2012-09-20 01:48:27
"Just because cs 1.6 was the game you have been supporting for years you can't go on to another game?"


just answering to his question! wtf does that has to do with switching games, etc, etc?
and to really answer the question i'll tell you this: no, me and a couple thousands of players won't move on to another game. why? easy, GO is currently a step behind, when we want a step ahead. GO is not the game I and others are looking for! simple
2012-09-20 01:57:58
u just refuse to adapt to it, refuse to play anything that doesnt looks like CS 1.6, its freaking childish if u ask me! i want a fps game in all the big tournaments, i want action, i want pro scene, i want the excitement that i once felt WATCHING CS 1.6! and believe it or not, i felt much more excitement watching big tournaments finals, epic matches, than i ever felt playing the game and that is because i know i suck compared to those guys.. its not all about the game, ofc CS:GO isnt perfect, but guess what? So wasnt CS 1.6 back in the day!!! its a blessing that this CS 1.6 kids do not move to CS:GO if u ask me..
2012-09-20 02:18:03
"i don't like the game itself" equals to "i refuse to adapt to it" in which way?

i don't like the game because i can't actually take it in a serious way. ok, the game is funny and all, playing with friends on a pub, hitting some shots that in 1.6 were impossible to hit, discover some new things. but in fact i can't take it seriously like i take 1.6 (teams, practising, etc.) because for me, as we speak, the game don't have the competitive feeling 1.6 has, and looks more like a BF3/CoD, when you play the game 4, 5, 6 times, and nothing more. the game doesn't attract me. some guys say "oh, you have to play GO for some hours to start liking it": that's just bullshit! 1.6 has attracted me since the first pub round i played, i was like "ok, i got killed this round, lets see what i can do in the next one". in GO i can't have that excitment, i just can't
2012-09-20 14:40:07
by: nehs
#91
I wish more people approached GO with an open mind...
2012-09-20 01:29:09
Approaching something with an open mind doesn't mean accepting a bad game.
2012-09-20 01:42:20
yeah cause CS 1.6 was always like it is today... and it doesnt look like the whole uk "pro" scene agrees with u nevertheless.
2012-09-20 01:51:15
Yes, you can use the "cs also had a beta stage before reaching 1.6", but i'm pretty sure even beta 1.3 was better than GO. Anyway, source has been out since 2004 and was and is still terrible.
2012-09-20 02:50:16
oranges and apples bro..
2012-09-20 03:29:09
from the same tree?
2012-09-20 03:44:40
+10000
2012-09-20 10:06:30
THIS! THIS! thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some people don't understand it
2012-09-20 01:51:25
excatly
2012-09-21 13:37:18
ill say it again, source players approached csgo with an open-mind because they have low standards.

Post edited 2012-09-20 05:57:23
2012-09-20 05:56:59
Exactly it is not hard to switch from a shit game to an other shit...
2012-09-20 10:08:35
XD
2012-09-20 14:57:48
:)
2012-09-20 16:05:55
The irony on a guy with the name w33dh4x saying this, is beyond my mind.
2012-09-20 17:09:32
no irony there my nickname doesnt mean shit, dont try to undermine my statement by some bullshit because you couldnt come up with a better answer mister topflopper
2012-09-20 18:12:04
There are too many things beyond your mind as I have noticed.. It must be really hard for you :(

Post edited 2012-09-20 20:27:55
2012-09-20 20:26:02
You notice a lot of things Mr Hunt.
2012-09-21 19:17:55
little kids are followers little buddy. we adults have a mind of our own.
2012-09-20 01:37:55
That's all about but ppl still can't see it. They're crying like little kids.
2012-09-20 10:10:59
A newer, worse car.
2012-09-20 11:27:11
bro take glases and check out steam graph pls
and we talk about game not comunities,yes 1.6 is old but best ever- this cs:go is new and sux...
cao
2012-09-20 23:51:44
You know what is the best choice? Stop playing 1.6 and start living life mate, don`t forget that!
2012-09-21 15:44:19
sorry there's only 1 flaw in your whole statement here.. where is that newer, BETTER car you were talking about? if you catch my drift. im almost 98% positive that if valve came out with a better game then 1.6 with the same graphics maybe a lil brighter, since im not even a fan of the cs:go graphics, im sure people from 1.6 would be glad to make a switch over just as i would. the only problem is im not watching or playing a game that makes my eye's bleed and my stomach turns after 5 min, its a boring and shit game meant to pub get over it
2012-10-10 10:35:16
The main thing CS:GO needs is a Spectator Client? I'm sorry, but nobody is going to watch.

You see you need players who want to aspire to be pros to watch. So saying steam stats are meaningless is a complete joke.
2012-09-20 01:01:54
I feel it's quite obvious why 1.6 players are more "conservative" over switching to CS:GO compared to CS:S players. For CS:S players CS:GO is an improvement of their own game. It's like a CSS2. Meanwhile for 1.6 players, it's a completely different game that doesn't match our game, just like CSS couldn't match it before.
2012-09-20 01:02:24
what the hell are talking? cs go is a completely different for both communities, it is just use Source engine (but newer version) ur favourite keyword lol. P.S. the real msk plays for FM! Toxic u r just a cheap version

Post edited 2012-09-20 05:05:36
2012-09-20 05:05:21
it's definitely not as different for CSS players as it is for 1.6 players. (wtf my fav keyword ?!).
And yea sure no one ever had the same nickname as another player... + on different games. Your brain's truly a "cheap" version of a human one.
2012-09-20 10:08:52
I am sorry dude to say this but you are completly wrong you cannot be more wrong css is almost the same as csgo even the guy said it in the interview himself. This is not a debate this is fact. And msk is absolutely right.

Post edited 2012-09-20 10:18:42
2012-09-20 10:17:46
This is what others do not get... This is what it is all about. This is what i have been saying ever since cs:go got in the picture. If people grasp this then they will understend why we will never switch to cs:go

+1
2012-09-20 10:12:57
Pathetic comments, I can really see why he didn't want to bother with a interview like this in the first place. GL in future fifflaren I hope NiP do well at every event they attend.

Post edited 2012-09-20 01:04:35
2012-09-20 01:04:22
Well, I guess everyone should have worshipped him for being a progamer. Cult personality FTW!
2012-09-20 01:20:23
TBH he's no one to ask something from the 1.6 community and also he's way out of place, the game is not even good enough.
2012-09-20 01:25:01
"I really do understand the CS 1.6 community, they just don't want their beloved game to die - which it will NEVER do! No one can ever take away what CS 1.6 has done for the FPS scene and I am truly amazed how loyal people are to the game!"

"I honestly believe that we do need the 1.6 community to succeed in keeping CS alive in general as a major tournament title. Don't compare CS:GO to 1.6, you just can't. But I really feel that we need to embrace this change to keep our FPS scene alive in this DotA / SC2 / LoL e-sport dominated world."

how dare he?!!!!! way out of place!



2012-09-20 14:59:28
"I honestly believe that we do need the 1.6 community to succeed in keeping CS alive in general as a major tournament title."

What does he mean with that exactly, do you think?

"keeping CS alive in general"

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
2012-09-20 15:49:12
I think he means that he's hoping for the 1.6 community to stay alive and big, and hopefully see it switch over when the game(cs:go) is alright. also to keep the CS name present at any kind of event world wide.

it could mean a lot of things as it's quite poorly worded, but I can't find anything offensive as an 1.6'er about it. not by anything he wrote really.
2012-09-20 20:42:16
What I'm hinting at is that CS:GO is like any other game to me. Not connected to 1.6.

GO doesn't mean anything to me, while 1.6 means a lot to me.
2012-09-20 21:50:27
dude, I'm not talking about that, he's also talking about 1.6 gameplay which he couldn't understand because he played Source.

In order to understand 1.6 gameplay one needs to be a skilled 1.6 player with years and years of experience puging/watching top matches.

He even dares to say that 1.6 does not revolve on tactics which is bullshit otherwise support/backup/tactical players like ave,cArn,tentpole,moto,face,niko,starix wouldn't be on succesful teams. Support/backup players are now more influential than in any other time in history. Remember that when cArn retired niko was fnatic's first option to replace the legend.

By his words: throwing smoke grenades with more difficulty equals to a more tactical game, lmao. IMHO that sumarizes what he knows about 1.6.

Post edited 2012-09-20 18:00:38
2012-09-20 17:49:43
wait, fallen and get_right (who both said css was a more tactical based game) didn't know 1.6?
2012-09-20 18:28:09
So now the opinion of 2 pros eclipses the opinion of hundreds of professional 1.6 players since 2004? lmao.

I'll give you that you need to be more carefull throwing your nades in CSS/GO because the games grenade system suck ass but that doesn't make a game more tactical.

They might had been trying to say another thing and used the term 'tactical' to explain themselves with ease since both are not english native speakers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHAOf7ECAtE

Post edited 2012-09-20 20:29:39
2012-09-20 20:27:07
Lol the hundreds of top players in 1.6 you're talking about never said that source was less tactical than 1.6, they just said that cs1.6 had the better gameplay. And i have the same opinion (i think gtr and fallen too btw), 1.6 has a great gameplay but source is a more tactics based game since stuffs are more powerful than in 1.6. That's all, that doesn't mean cs1.6 is a bad game, nor 1.6ers do not know anything about tactics, it simply means that we, in source, are really used to making very complicated and sophisticated strategies in order to have strong T sides. Learn english srsly...
And moto doesn't said that css is less tactical either, he just says that it's a bad game. And when moto played, css was totally different, so your point is wrong
2012-09-21 12:00:44
Could you please provide an example of "very complicated and sophisticated strategies in order to have strong T sides" in CSS?
2012-09-28 14:58:55
"support players" have always been as important. you've probably heard of Naikon? even though he seldom topped the scoreboards, he's one of the most known norwegian players ever from the eoL, NoA, CG etc times. support player by the book.

that's only one example among many.
2012-09-20 20:42:52
of course, CatchGamer ftw!

What I meant is that lately they've won a much better reputation in the forums, back in the day the madfraggers were taking all the glory, now I've noticed that people give a lot of respect to players like Loord, kuben, RobbaN, etc.

Post edited 2012-09-20 20:48:37
2012-09-20 20:48:19
Why the fuck are you guys trolling so hard and being so adamant?

Fifflaren took time to sit down with HLTV and give this amazing interview, in which he really appears open-minded and conciliatory towards uniting the FPS scene in Counter-Strike. He made good points and not once did he insult CS 1.6.

Instead you guys act like a bunch of inbred hill-dwellers caught in the act of an incestuous gangbang and run for the hills yelling like maniacs about how you'll never change.

The CS community needs unity right now not a bunch of trolls who speak sub-par English.

-1.6 player of 8 years, happily playing GO now.
2012-09-20 01:04:34
Owned it.
2012-09-20 01:07:43
To be fair though, the people that are whining (including myself) are whining cause we think GO is horrible. Now you think its a good game, good for you. But just because you think it is a good game doesnt mean everyone else are gonna think the same right?

Also can agree that people post retarded comments all the time. Mostly by the same players though.
2012-09-20 01:24:12
Your reply is solid and makes sense and yes I'm more critiquing the brainless nitwits who blindly hate and keep a closed mind. You're free to choose to play whichever manifestation of the game you want, just make sure to keep your love for the scene true.
2012-09-20 01:46:54
Just curious.

Do you consider all CS titles as one scene?
2012-09-20 15:52:08
its ok if u like it, but most ppl dont cos its shit game.
problem officer licho?

he didnt insult 1.6 cos its not possible. insulting cs:go is as easy as insulting fat ugly bitch with iq of monkey. insulting 1.6 is not possible, its perfect game. now go cry river officer madboy ))
2012-09-20 01:30:44
Your reply is absolutely retarded. Look one above for a better reply.

Not mad, I have too much class for that. I'm just sneering at you from my carriage of superiority.
2012-09-20 01:47:30
You are not mad because you have too much class for that? If something stupid then this statment really is. By the way the german guy is right though he should not have say it this way.
2012-09-20 20:40:30
wow your post has to be one of the stupidest things i ever read, that includes all the shit russian politicians say.
2012-09-20 02:41:49
Wise words, licho.
I agree!
2012-09-20 01:47:35
can you sum it up? I didnt read it so my opinion is open. But when i already see such a title for the article it sounds like he seeks anyone with a words to switch a game. Which we already made experience
2012-09-20 02:11:19
He looks like a cool guy and the things he said are for the most part correct and well put, but still it wont change the fact that its a shitty game and he is going to make money over it,so if "we" dont unite, he doesnt get to do that.
The game was made for console first,valve was aiming at the console players more than pc players,you can see it by the buying menu/movement/recoil ,so why do you even bother.
2012-09-20 06:04:46
+1000
I did not know the console part, it is really 'interesting'...
2012-09-20 20:44:35
by: Dare_Dev1L - HLTV.org
#390
That's because people don't understand the term "use the filter system".
2012-09-20 11:34:21
I am not quite sure that uniting of communities would be of any help and that's for various reasons.

The 1.6 community itself (at least the most people here on HLTV.org, who claim to be loyal while in fact they are just incapable of accepting a change) is pretty juvenile. CS:GO is quite a new game and it is obvious that top teams/tournaments switching to it would cause a lot of emotions. Emotions, that will disappear over time, but it couldn't have unfolded any other way.

Most of the players had (at least deep within themselves, no one can deny it) some sort of dream that they would make it big in 1.6, but that's not the case now, as they have to learn a whole new game again. Again, that might cause some upset, although mostly everyone will deny this point.

Now another point I would like to make is, how come the LoL/DotA/HoN communities cannot merge into the big one? LoL, DotA and HoN are basically the same type of game and they do co-exist pretty well. The sponsors of these games/teams don't seem to need any kind of merging, yet the future of these games prevails. How come 1.6 and GO cannot do the same? Why should "we" unite? Well, that's quite simple, I'd say. CS 1.6 is pretty old game, ergo there is no need to have high-end PC to run it. Hence no place for advertisement. And if people don't need to buy latest gfx card/motherboard/RAM/whatever to play a game, sponsors will obviously push a game that will guarantee a green numbers income in the end of the quarter.

Communities as such can co-exist and they don't need to be merged.
The problem is, that these games cannot co-exist in a competitive scene. And that's where the more juvenile of communities will start to flame and bash the other game. It is obviously the 1.6 players here.

- 1.6 player of 9 years, happily playing 1.6 every now and then as I don't care for GO :)
2012-09-20 18:40:43
And here is your answer guys :)
+1
2012-09-20 20:48:18
"The 1.6 community itself (at least the most people here on HLTV.org, who claim to be loyal while in fact they are just incapable of accepting a change)"

Losing all your credibility at the very start of your long rant wasn't a good idea, matey. Should've saved that one for a rainy day.

"Incapable of accepting a change" is what Source-fanatics where shouting back when Source came, and again when CGS started. In reality, Source was just a bad game that nobody wanted to play, and not because it was different, but because it was BAD. The reason why pro gamers (some of them, anyway) switched over to Source back then was money. Nothing else.

I have not played CS:GO. I have no reason to, since I rarely play anything these days, but when I do, 1.6 is just about as much fun as I can imagine a CS game being. I will try CS:GO out, like I tried CS:S (several times over the years), but from what I've seen, witnessed and heard so far, this whole situation seems to be identical to when CS:S came out/CGS started. But we'll see.

-1.6 player for 9 years, CS-player for 13 years.
2012-09-21 09:39:41
Obviously I didn't lose that much credibility, since you managed to read it all, but nevermind, that's irrelevant :)

Point is, that CS:S was pushed the same way back then as CS:GO is nowadays. Time will tell, whether GO is capable of making a difference, if it really will be "the next big thing" or if its destiny will be the same as Source's. We are yet to see a big tourney in GO (I guess, as I am not really following it very carefully) , so discussing it is rather pointless :)

But in general I agree with you and moreover I'd say you didn't really proved me wrong in anything, since your reply is covering different issues :)

I won't play CS:GO, I won't even give it a try. As of now, I am playing simply for fun (not just 1.6) and if the game is not giving me a joy, I see no point in playing it. That's why I don't understand people saying "give it 40+ hours, it turns out as a good game afterall", that's really not a good game for me, if I have to play it for a week, before it gets any good :)

Post edited 2012-09-21 11:53:52
2012-09-21 11:52:45
nice interview
2012-09-20 01:05:03
Cs 1.6 For Ever.
2012-09-20 01:05:07
"Now in 1.6 it's mostly pure skill that will win you the games" He pretty much nailed it with that. I absolutely agree!
2012-09-20 01:05:22
They need to win with flashes n smokes,because any retard can own your ass with a half-ass aim.Good luck making it spectator friendly if you cant even differentiate the CTs from the Ts, over crowded maps and no straight shooting fights because apparently this game is more "tactical" so its all about flashes n smokes...

Post edited 2012-09-20 06:11:18
2012-09-20 06:10:38
So is that really a bad thing? All semipro players at the same level regarding aim. The best team with the best strats and team work instead of individual brilliance? Just look at fnatic 2012 owning everyone and leaving teams like ESC in the dust all because of individual skill.
2012-09-20 06:28:33
I dont get what you are trying to say...
2012-09-20 17:54:56
yep headshot with smoke`s and flashe`s :DDDDDDD
hahahahaha
2012-09-21 00:04:52
dream on
2012-09-20 01:06:13
its fun when ppl just read the tittle and start to comment not having a clue about the iview
2012-09-20 01:07:39
cs go is bad atm dude, we play for fun, cs go isn't fun.
2012-09-20 01:09:15
exactly
2012-09-20 01:28:15
Fantastic interview.. great work.. GL NIP
2012-09-20 01:10:16
Pus is just horrible at writing news :D Nice interview tho
2012-09-20 01:11:24
LOL
2012-09-20 01:37:23
Lol what?
2012-09-20 01:54:06
''Pus is just horrible at writing news''
2012-09-20 01:57:52
actually the name of the article is horrible

Post edited 2012-09-20 05:14:25
2012-09-20 05:13:44
yep it is, but it's not the main goal of a "journalist", it's only to make you read the article and comment it.
2012-09-20 10:59:00
Pus is the king of "writing news".
2012-09-20 11:39:58
"HeatoN is a great person to be around. He loves Counter-Strike and he would even sacrifice his own living over it." Ofcourse he would hahahaha

Although I agree with almost everything Fif has said. People are idiots here as you can see above in the comments
2012-09-20 01:13:09
I already joined you, but i still play 1.6, where is the problem?
2012-09-20 01:13:40
Eh, more and more bullshit. Why don't you think before writing?
2012-09-20 01:17:21
+1
2012-09-20 01:23:04
Who are you referring to? :D
2012-09-20 01:57:45
Fifflaren :(
2012-09-20 02:02:36
I thought it's not him you're referring to, because you mentioned 'writing' X3
2012-09-20 02:50:23
:D
+1
2012-09-20 20:54:07
Good answers. I like the way he thinks. However, as of now, GO doesn't look like the game which can unite the FPS communities.

I love 1.6 too and won't switch to Go. But guys don't trash Fifflaren. Seriously. He has his own opinion on the game. Respect that. Don't go all "you are a sellout" on him.
2012-09-20 01:17:49
word
2012-09-20 01:27:00
+1
2012-09-20 10:32:21
Too many blind fanboys in this website , you trash talk anyone who tries to help a new fps game, it is impossible to handle so many "mind durp" people
2012-09-20 17:13:50
Nice interview, a lot of stupid comments as always.. Maybe if you read it you'll understand the tittle.
2012-09-20 01:19:50
good interview. I respect your opinion fifflaren but in my opinion GO is not so fun to play as 1.6, so I will keep play and watch what I like the most.

btw good luck
2012-09-20 01:26:07
u need a good game then and not cs:GOaway
2012-09-20 01:26:56
Decent interview but I feel he's no one to ask/talk something from/about the 1.6 community since he doesn't belong to it neither has a clue about what it is all about.

Also the guy seems delusional saying that GO needs 'something new', yeah only a Source player would want us to forget about what 12 years of profesional CS could tell us about map/gameplay balance.

I guess all NiP players will be as indirect as him when someone ask them about the balance, that is not only bad for them as controlled individuals, it disturbingly bad for the community that awaits major changes.

Post edited 2012-09-20 01:33:29
2012-09-20 01:27:02
If GO ever starts to get big Fiff and Friberg are soon replaced so doesn't really matter what he thinks
2012-09-20 01:41:01
I believe he didn't do the interview as complete as given above.
2012-09-20 02:01:29
You are the very reason why NiP originally refused to do any kind of interview. Because the way you see Source players like we don't belong to the "community". Your actual ego is unreal.
2012-09-20 09:00:58
Source players do not belong to the community.
2012-09-20 11:50:10
Source players do not belong to the community, lol. The fact you started playing CS:GO doesn't mean you are a part of our community, to me CS will always be 1.6 and maybe GO now that our players made the switch.
2012-09-20 17:53:37
Since when do you source players belong to 1.6 community?
2012-09-20 20:59:09
half of the ppl here didnt even read this post !
good read !
in atleast like 1 -2 years most of u will play csgo
called it here first !

2012-09-20 01:31:30
maybe if a meteorite hits earth and the survivors can only play GO on steam.
2012-09-20 01:32:32
HLTV is boring without 1.6 matches now :C only a few.
2012-09-20 01:34:43
all of you are trying to be loyal to CS 1.6,and personally,as i played COD before i even tryed 1.6'i get it,its the simplicity of the game that makes it so good,its has a certain feeling and flow that no other game have,but you need to remember that Counter Strike was not released as CS 1.6,the game was constantly updated and it was thanks to the community,aka YOU the users in HLTV.org,CSGO at its current stage might look allot like source but its not realy source,and the only way that you could make they game better as a competetive game is to send VALVE and Hidden Path Entertainment feedback about what you want to see in the game.

anyway GL to NiP in DreamHack
2012-09-20 01:39:33
The original CS engine is what made it big. It was much the same back in 2000 as it is now, of course it has changed but the physics have been what they still are, far superior to any other fps game. Hltv.org community had absolutely nothing to do with the development
2012-09-20 01:52:21
even if so,the community cab have a say in that matter now,i am not saying go and buy the game i am just saying that you can send valve and hidden path emails with the changes you wanna see in the game and that you would do
2012-09-20 02:02:09
If Valve gave a shit about 1.6 and the community we would not have GO. It all depends on whether the 1.6 legends go GO or not. Most of them are not gonna go GO but dota2 and that's the right choice
2012-09-20 02:13:29
what the fuck ? tell me list of the teams which already switched or are willing to switch to Dota2...

ANd ill give u like 10x times longer list of 1.6 "legends" which already switch to GO.



Post edited 2012-09-20 12:31:04
2012-09-20 12:29:50
...and the only way that you could make they game better as a competetive game is to send VALVE and Hidden Path Entertainment feedback about what you want to see in the game.

Where have you been this one year?
2012-09-20 02:05:19
yeah exactly i remember how lurppis complained about that. They got a privat forum with input and gave a fuck about it.
2012-09-20 02:30:47
Yes.
2012-09-20 02:51:46
nice interview...
but cs1.6 community will never support a game that isnt build for this community...
LONG LIVE cs1.6
2012-09-20 01:48:10
so many stupid comments, great interview btw..
2012-09-20 01:48:12
CS 1.6 has public players padding the stats? As far as I know, especially in North America, the pubbing scene is practically dead. CS:GO is likely to have a lot more pubbers right now than 1.6 since it's a new game (and attracts those type of players). The ones that stick around for 13 years are the competitive gamers. Not sure about source though, since I don't play it.

The one point that CS:GO advacates keep pushing is this:

"Don't compare CS:GO to 1.6, you just can't. But I really feel that we need to embrace this change to keep our FPS scene alive in this DotA / SC2 / LoL e-sport dominated world."

Not really sure why the success of a game genre is so important to the majority of the community? I guess it would matter if you are a professional and want to continue making money and traveling, but for the vast majority this point seems irrelevant. We play CS 1.6 because it's a fantastic game and love playing it.

Fifflaren states that CS:GO is like a brand new game and that you have to throw away the idea of CS 1.6 in order to enjoy it. But that's the underlying issue here with all of this, we don't want to leave behind such a fantastic game like 1.6. Sure, if CS:GO embodied the essence of what Counter-Strike is all about, the switch wouldn't be protested as much. Why should we throw away our great game just so we can keep the FPS genre alive? lol...
2012-09-20 01:51:53
Liked!

I'm looking forward to the day when all loyal 1.6 players are able to express the reasons of why they should stick to the game they love and ignore other brainwashing propagandas which tell them to play/do things they're not really keen to-playing CSGO, saving the "Counter-Strike" franchise, or even more ridiculous, to save the FPS gaming scene in general.

When that day comes-people sharing one view with you about the matter-the community will be united and even more solid than ever!
2012-09-20 02:35:32
At least in German/Swedish irc channels at the moment it is hard to get a good mix going on... Theres not that much people searching games and when we find a game, they usually are clearly cheating or they are just bad.
2012-09-20 13:39:06
There is no problem at all finding matches in CS:GO, I just have to write once and getting 3-4 matches. And to get a swedish mix/gather or even match i just have to join #CSGO.swe.

Post edited 2012-09-20 18:41:48
2012-09-20 18:41:29
Oh way to go me... I probably started doing something else at the same time i wrote that. My reply was about 1.6-scene.

thumps ub.
2012-09-20 21:02:12
but there isnt 40 players form 50k to compete in DH Valencia. so there isnt any competitive palayer left.
2012-09-20 14:23:51
DH Valencia was designed for professional teams, not for the average competitive Counter-Strike player. Sure, pros are competitive players, but you don't have to be pro to be competitive.

There are only a few teams that can pay for the costs to travel to an event like this and there were clearly better events going on that teams would have rather spent their money on (like DH Bucharest and PGS). And I think DH Valencia was even denying semi-pro/2nd teir pro teams like Karont3.
2012-09-21 00:19:32
Spot on.
2012-09-20 16:02:28
+1
2012-10-01 16:46:39
Awesome interview!
I support CS:GO, it's a nice game, with great possibilities to evolve and to become amazing.

2012 is an year for the game grow, with updates mostly and with the community adapting themselves.

2013 the game will rise up, I'm very confident with that.
2012-09-20 01:54:20
"nice game " we all know that 1.6 is better , movement , recoil ,etc. so why should i switch to a worst game ? just because valve and the teamns like NIPE want to make more money ? f you
2012-10-01 16:49:08
tooooo long
2012-09-20 01:55:51
Haha, noshit!!

But the gameplay sux. :S
2012-09-20 02:02:09
Cool iview, i read everything o.O

gl Fifflaren and NiP :)
2012-09-20 02:05:18
Can someone sum it up? I doubt that i get any information which are worth the reading?
2012-09-20 02:08:18
Summing it up; they need 1.6 stars to make the unknown Source stars stars in GO and make them some cash soon before it diedidodas out.
2012-09-20 02:15:33
haha lol :D then its really not worth to read that
2012-09-20 02:19:38
Dude it's worth the read, it's a great interview. Just had to make the joke, sry :D
2012-09-20 02:36:00
ask the guy above you
2012-09-20 03:00:13
:D
2012-09-20 16:20:51
If you read the title of the article is more than enough... Believe me bro :)
2012-09-20 21:08:52
As someone stated earlier CS:GO is basically CS:S 2, most the 1.6 guys don't like source (me included). So why would we want to switch to a game that is a slightly updated CS:S without much attention to the things that kept the 1.6 community playing 1.6. The maps in CS:S and CS:GO are very similar, and therefore bad compared to the 1.6 maps in our opinion, not too mention all the issues with the graphics, weapons, money system, movement etc.

I'm sure most of these 1.6 pro's have switched just because they know the state of the game and where the future lies with CS. Maybe some of them actually like it, but either way they want to continue making money playing games, and it looks like CS:GO is where the money is headed.

It's sad they couldnt just graphically update 1.6, that Chet guy from Valve said some bullshit statement in a video interview that it'd be hard to do that, because it'd be hard to tell if someone has an AWP at long A, or some dumb shit like that.

Look at DOTA, for the most part it just got a graphical update. I don't see people complaining and saying they wont switch over to that. CS:GO is much too polarizing and Valve don't really seem to care.

Post edited 2012-09-20 02:18:17
2012-09-20 02:17:06
the only map that is similar to source is d2. every other map is new for both css and 1.6

and i didnt know you know more about making videogames than a valve employee. i look forward to your step by step instructions how to perfectly transfer 1.6 to a new engine.
2012-09-20 02:49:11
Hi, are you retarded? CSPromod. like I wrote (if you can actually read) they ported dota to the source engine, and that shit is from a completely different engine. How hard could it be to port 1.6 honestly.

And as far as the maps are concerned, Inferno is basically the same as the source inferno, if you say it isnt then youre a moron, Train is a disaster in CS:GO it actually makes me laugh, what the fuck did they do to it!? And dont even get me started on Nuke.
2012-09-20 09:00:44
The same game that people trashed before CSGO was mentioned. People said CSP was Source like, do you guys here have short memories or something, oh wait you do, because this is the very community who sabotaged a show match on CSP.

This is what I don't get, before CSGO, "CSP sucks ass", after CSGO, "oh CSP is amazing" and yet it's practically the same version.
2012-09-20 09:05:47
firstly, you never even mentioned csp in your original post, you just used dota2 as an example. secondly, if it was easy to just post 1.6 to source engine then it would have been done already by the csp team. if you have NO idea how game programming actually works then dont spew out "OMFG ITS SO EASY JUST DO IT ALREADY"

as gump mentioned when csp first came out all people said on hltv was is was just a source copy, it was shitty, horrible game, 1.6forever. but with csgo out suddenly csp is the savior of 1.6 even tho the only thing that really changed was the models.
2012-09-20 13:27:01
Who said it was like source..
2012-09-21 08:44:10
the same people who are now saying that csgo is like source
2012-09-21 13:32:37
read the interview or learn to read before posting
2012-09-20 14:28:06
more changes and we might consider it ( I speak for myself and I only )
2012-09-20 02:27:23
No, you speak for me too.
2012-09-20 02:36:16
"the movement" did they mean - no movement??
2012-09-20 02:32:42
Nice interview. I think GO can become something really big if they do the changes the community likes. The 1.6 community is still pretty big, and if would help the game alot of most of us moved over. But they need to fix alot, not just the small bugfixes(ofcourse they are needed) but lets say they changed the movement to more like normal counter-strike movement. I think we would see a big rise in both players and spectators. It would be so much more fun to play, and I would love watching f0rest swinging around. Always loved his fluid movement. You could get much more out of the game, both for the players and the spectators if they did some changes. But looks like valve is pleased with the present players and I doubt they will do anything big what so ever.
2012-09-20 02:37:26
Well, breaking news: i'll not watch CS:GO tournaments, go fish somewhere else.
2012-09-20 02:40:30
Don't think anyones wants to waste time on an AWFUL game just because Valve tagged the name "Counter-Strike" on it to make some $$$

It's okay for f0rest and get_right, they're getting paid to play it.

CS IS DEAD
2012-09-20 02:46:36
I hope hltv admins and pro 1.6 players finally know just HOW retarded their community has always been.

Great interview btw

Post edited 2012-09-20 03:06:47
2012-09-20 02:57:57
Why do you cadred guys even come here?
2012-09-20 03:19:20
I come here for the same reason you come here, to read news of a game I follow, If you needed me to tell you that, that says a lot about your iq.

Post edited 2012-09-20 03:37:33
2012-09-20 03:27:15
Ok?

E: So your precious cadred doesn't cover or what? You're here to copy their news or just to be Source (that's way more offensive than ukno, like fuck) like you are?

Post edited 2012-09-20 03:41:47
2012-09-20 03:38:28
We come here because HLTV and Cadred are both different websites that have different content... Shockingly, we aren't so close minded and we actually read 1.6 news as well as CSS/CSGO... Not that theres much CSS news anymore :P

But seriously, What is the 1.6 communities problem with people who play source? why dont you hate on other games like quake and cod4?
2012-09-20 10:57:50
Please ignore that type of users.
2012-09-20 12:40:15
Why is it so hard to grasp we are not close minded we have given a chance to cs:go and for most of us looks really bad and we ABSOLUTELY DO NOT enjoy it. About the source issue... Once source came out and everybody said back then it is the future no more 1.6 and so on i remember perfectly those times.. But it was back then and with time source and 1.6 community got along with each other. And now it seems the whole thing starts all over again.

Post edited 2012-09-20 21:27:39
2012-09-20 21:24:34
ROFL plz,then dont come to 1.6 side,people who suks at 1.6 swtich to CSS and they like the idea of RANDOM,people who hate getting raped in 1.6 talk trash to 1.6 ppls and 1.6 community.People who cant understand why GO suks from beginning trash talk in 1.6 side and cal people retarder.
These people are losers in both real life and computer life they should just stfu and uninstall CS,

ps:every1 knows who these people are.we got 1 here rofl.
2012-09-20 08:39:39
You can tell from the interview that he knows as little about playing 1.6 as most 1.6ers know about playing source, which makes portions of the interview unreadable. Overall, it is definitely an interesting article, however.
2012-09-20 03:08:40
lmao at those comments hahaha
2012-09-20 03:10:14
You can switch the game. You can make the new game competitive. What you cant do is to make the biggest part of your community to change and keep following you on your new adventures. Even 1.6 wasnt big enough in the last stages before tournaments started removing it but it still had that huge amount of history, prestige and level of competition which allowed it to have a place in esports. csgo has none of that and competition is even harder now, hf rebuilding it. I'll keep playing and watching 1.6, esports or not.
2012-09-20 03:12:06
IN YOUR DREAMS .... CS:GO PPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
2012-09-20 03:16:01
by: 511
#187
I just hope they don't make the GOTV anytime soon so this shitty game can die slow and painful
2012-09-20 03:27:35
Good interview.
"When Source was first released it got picked up by WCG, which was a shame. Because the game was nowhere near ready for competitive play"

Isn't this Source all over again? Dreamhack picks up cs:go and it is NO WHERE near ready. Game should not have been released yet. It's just missing too much and is not ready for competitive like source was.
2012-09-20 03:41:19
1.6 stats are rising again, GO are going down and down...
I'm so proud of the 1.6 community, you know why? Cause all the pros went to that game for money, and tought all of us would follow them, like some kind of wannabes. And you know what? We showed you that even fanboys can think for themselfs and play the game they love ;)
And btw, you all suck "professional players", you embaressed us by almost destroying the one game that we all know you like the most, for money, only money.


Post edited 2012-09-20 03:51:57
2012-09-20 03:45:24
by: 511
#201
+1
2012-09-20 04:00:44
+1
2012-09-20 04:57:12
+100000
2012-09-20 21:32:33
Sorry dude, but the game is broken. Either Valve fix it or we won't join it.
2012-09-20 03:47:23
f0rest on the picture above looks like the character from "The Broken Sword"
2012-09-20 04:01:42
they ruined this game
sry
i wont play
2012-09-20 04:04:19
why so much hate? help them get a good start atleast then you can drop it. because whats the point whining about how "bad" cs:go is? 1.6 pro scene is over and if we dont support cs:go we have nothing.
All this hate is so unnecessary, if you dont like it just stop commenting then.
2012-09-20 04:21:41
Wow, so many hate comments.

Valve never intended to make a new counter-strike "1.6" yet they still continue to use the counter-strike name.

Because it sells, everyone know "counter-strike". You all say that "ahh graphics overhaul" the graphics doesn't really count for sponsors even though they hate to admit it. The sponsors follow the 'Community / Fan base" based on how popular it is, CS 1.6 is still very very popular and the sole reason why sponsors quit supporting it, is because they hope that CS:GO will replace 1.6 in the future.

But here is where they did a major mistake IMO, you should never ever gamble on a new FPS game that Valves makes, haven't you learned from when "Source" came out? Yes it did turn out to be kinda ok but still you failed Valve & Sponsors.

Hey, even a total scrub could design a better game than CS:GO, how hard is it to get the psyhics correct? The animations correct ? The feeling when you pop a headshot? The recoil ? The gameplay? The maps ?

This game was so badly rushed, it's failing even more than source over time.. Valve you seriously need to pull yourself together and figure out what the community actually want. They want a proper game, not some random spray and shoot game like Call of Duty. I'd bet if you speed up the game-play on CS:GO it would be almost the same as Call of Duty heh..

To you all, I do hope that Valve pulls themselves together or you would be stuck with a shitty game. Fire that idiot who designed CS:GO and get a proper one in, your map ideas are horrible. You're thinking too much of RTS games like Wilson did with Diablo 3, this isn't a game where you can mix some shit together and say it's "wonderful".

Thank you for ruining the "Counter-Strike" name
2012-09-20 04:25:01
"...a lot more of tactics involved. You can pretty much compare it to how CS 1.6 was back in the days, when teams used a lot of tactics."

ahaha, as someone who followed both games, this statement is just ridiculous. The static flash-and-go-tactics already disappeared in CS even before 1.6 came out; they were simply not effective enough against good teams. In CSS this is still a common thing because the flashes and smokes are way stronger and can be thrown over the several buildings, BUT this doesn`t make CSS more tactical. In fact it leads to the exact opposite...


"I'm happy with some of the official ones. I really don't want to see remade CS 1.6 maps come into play in most cases - the same goes for Source maps."

Two fun facts:

1. Maps like inferno and dust2 are already very very close to the CSS versions. They actually ARE remade CSS maps.

2. The only enjoyable CS:GO map is mirage, which is an exact copy of 1.6`s mirage.
2012-09-20 04:25:26
I think you misunderstood, he meant that css is more tactical as tactics have more impact to outcome than individual skill. He didn`t imply that tactical as more skilled, witch he pointed out later in interview, by saying that cs 1.6 is about pure skill.
2012-09-20 06:05:42
I cannot agree more well said!
+1
2012-09-20 21:34:09
CS 1.6 Forever !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2012-09-20 04:30:52
Trying to get a coherent, well argued response from HLTV 1.6 fan boys...blood from a stone.
2012-09-20 04:42:27
Nice interview, well i didnt play the game, but as far as i hear from others its not good, and i belive in that, well i better stick to LoL wich i started to play rather than CS:GO( and planty planty thousands do the same (moving to LoL or dota2) and community is losing so badly) BUT if CS:GO go big and competitivly than i will give it a chance definently + if valve make decent changes.
2012-09-20 04:56:53
I dont have a time to read this, i came for one reason and that is to inflate cs:go!

Viva la cs 1 point 6
2012-09-20 05:28:03
"Don't compare CS:GO to 1.6, you just can't."

This is the biggest lie everyone tells to themselves right now. I don't understand why you can't compare 1.6 with CS:GO or CS:S with CS:GO, obviously they share the same name, the same gameplay style, the same genre, the same maps, the same weapons, heck, even the same developer and publisher (how about that, uh?). The only differences are the new graphics, revisited maps, different movement/weapon spread and the removal of "bugs".

It's like saying you can't compare the peugeot 206 with the 207 model, or COD:MW3 with COD:MW2. Obviously the reason why you'd want compare something, would be to see which one stands out the most and suits you.

If you can't compare two "different" things why would you compare two identical things? What would be the purpose of that?

There's a difference between "I can't compare" and "I don't want to compare", which right now is the main problem and ultimately could be the death (not that the game is nowhere close from being alive either) of the game if the pro-gamers don't take the initiative in supporting the community's in fixing the game properly and make it how it should be played in the first place.
2012-09-20 05:54:55
No, you can`t compare those games.
It`s because they each take different skills to play them.
You can`t just take skills from one game and use them to play another one. They will just help to adapt faster by understanding how basic medigame works.
2012-09-20 06:11:54
Schypher is 100% correct, you CAN and you WILL compare those games. Same name "Counter-Strike" identical maps, identical gameplay, identical weapons.

It's like Valve made a cake of 1.6 and source and blended in to CS:GO.
2012-09-20 06:17:31
It may look that way for casual players.
But he`s professional player.
When you play at competitive level you has to look more into game than just casually play it.

For example, I`ve spent countless hours of improving my skills in cs 1.6, just by playing alone in my LAN to improve specific skills and techniques in game.
But would those techniques and skills work if I moved to play CSS or CS:GO? No. I`d have to learn techniques and skills in game from zero, just by taking experience and skills gained at cs 1.6 just as an example in order to improve and catch up faster.

Post edited 2012-09-20 06:26:44
2012-09-20 06:22:51
wtf are you high? If you can't compare the counter-strikes with identical things you're broken. Open your eyes please
2012-09-20 06:35:44
Heh. This is amusing to see how little clue casuals have about competitive style of playing. :) Call me broken then if you want to. :)
2012-09-20 06:45:16
I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word "casual" in this context. Second... Who the fuck are you? I'd expect to have heard the name of someone so stuck up their own ass during the past decade or so.

Post edited 2012-09-21 09:49:20
2012-09-21 09:45:54
Well i can say one thing, u are 100% wrong, i remember how i moved to cs:s for 3month's and i owned in first day, well ofcourse i had problems with nades and needed to adapt, but if you were good @ 1.6 u will be good @ any cs version @ first day, time what you need is to adapt to graphich nades maps stuff like that, but it dont take 1-2years it takes like 1-2month max 3month
2012-09-20 09:29:14
How am I 100% wrong, that`s not even what I was trying to imply. Let me rephrase then. I didn`t mean that "would have learn game from zero" to indicate difficulty of learning game, but very fact that those games take different sets of skills. Of course, it`s easy to learn as simple cs version as css, however my point is that such phrase as "Same name "Counter-Strike" identical maps, identical gameplay, identical weapons" just indicates that player have no knowledge of depth in those games to be able to see true difference.
On competitive level game is completely different from casual, as players have to improve theyr knowledge of game to extent they are able to win through theyr skills, techniques and knowledge about game, not just thorugh mere aiming abilities.

Post edited 2012-09-20 10:45:38
2012-09-20 10:44:38
Skill isn't even a comparable variable, what you want to compare is the learning curve, which in 1.6 is much bigger, because of certain movement bugs, ladder movement, crouch jumping under trains etc

And you're wrong, many principles from certain games apply to almost all games from that genre, whether it is stutter step in rts', orb walking in moba's, drop shotting in modern fps' (even though this is getting more and more rare), rocket jumping in oldschool deathmatch fps etc.
2012-09-20 06:42:18
have you ever practiced 1.6 dude?
2012-09-20 09:02:18
Totally irrelevant, just like propaans argument. The way we compare games is by examining the design choices made by the devs, not by the type of players that play a game, or how good or what their background in gaming is.
2012-09-20 09:28:31
Simply because css was a casualized 1.6 and now cs go is a casualized css.
2012-09-20 06:23:51
Feels like quiting HLTV.org after reading the comments above. :(
2012-09-20 06:18:44
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#291
Me too..
2012-09-20 08:22:27
what happend with forest? too much video games? :)
2012-09-20 06:19:48
by: Aim
#264
I played 1.6 all my life actually, but its time to switch it into GO, because no tournaments at all for this game.
2012-09-20 06:30:42
He's still unknown for me
2012-09-20 06:47:06
its kinda sad when people would rather let cs die altogether and support shit moba esports instead of supporting all the pros switching to a new cs in hopes of reviving the international scene.
2012-09-20 06:50:19
let fps games die and lets see if forest and gtr can play dota or LoL.

and i didnt try to play GO and i wont cuz i hate CS:S!
2012-09-20 06:50:48
yup fps ends after 1.6
2012-09-20 09:52:59
You won't play GO because you don't like CS:S???????
Not even the same pissing game
2012-09-20 10:35:12
"and i didnt try to play GO and i wont cuz i hate CS:S!"

dafuq did i just read?
2012-09-20 21:38:29
I don't know what Pus expects with that headline but if he aims on gathering together as many retards as he can get it is a pretty decent attempt.
2012-09-20 06:59:18
LOL :DD +1
2012-09-20 14:41:10
stopped reading here "source needs more tactics than 1.6"
2012-09-20 07:08:12
you were just rash at jumping to delusions, without trying to understand what his point is. He meant source as more tactical as in source granades are overpowered, witch leads to them playing major role in game and as result tactics involving granades are more important than individual skills.
Although cs 1.6 granades have much more depth in using them, but for same reason they can`t be used as easily to gain advantages.

Post edited 2012-09-20 07:23:34
2012-09-20 07:22:52
+1
2012-09-20 07:54:11
if u re read it you will know that he told 'you need to work more with grenades in source than 1.6'
that may be true but source needs tactics only for grenades and no skill is required whereas in 1.6 u will need both
2012-09-20 08:26:24
It`s just because granades have more impact to results. However cs 1.6 granadas have great depth, unlike at source, where smoke means smoked an flash means flashed. There are ways to use smoke granades for many purposes in cs 1.6, you can use them for offensive defending by taking advantage on finding certain ways to spot enemy in smoke first, smoke can be used as decoy, can be used as smoke as well.
Effeciency of flash granades is heavily dependent on player skills and reading abilities, as there is always risk that opponent can dodge them, so players have to invent smart ways to use flashses so opponent can`t dodge them. And even if player is flashed, he still have chance to fight back by using sound, he isn`t limited by just having to away and hide.
2012-09-20 11:03:54
u r trying to tell me that how smoke and flash can be used in 1.6 with this wall of text?
cool story bro
2012-09-20 17:03:01
Sauce player giving interview on HLTV.org, and about CS:GO? He's either really brave or really stupid.
And I disagree with him about needing 1.6 community, especially from this site. They are the relic of the past, let them "die" in piece, it's only fitting for them to go down with their beloved game. Can't buy loyalty sorry.
If GO won't bring new blood to the CS scene it's pretty much over, it means nerdy boring dotas have won completely.
2012-09-20 07:24:18
"Can't buy loyalty sorry" now thats ironic.
2012-09-20 18:51:05
P90 Isn't overpowered. Its fine as it is. Very effective on short range but inaccurate on long range. Maybe it could be a bit more expensive, but it already is more expensive than galil or famas.
2012-09-20 07:30:50
Its right the opposite, its mad accurate and effective even on long distances. 900 killreward makes it by far the favorite gun going in buyrounds too. I guess it could be good if they change the kill value of p90 and mac7 to 150 (which awp has atm) and rest guns 300, pistols 300 or more, and knife most. 30 percent away from firepower and increased recoil when running forward.
2012-09-20 08:12:37
I think p90 is only effective when you can spray with it, which gets kinda hard on long distances.

Also if you take 30 percent of away from the power and add a lot of recoil then it's practically useless, like ump 45.

But I do agree that its way too good gun for that 900 killreward. It should be the same 300 as rifles.

They should try to balance the weapons which support different types of gameplay and strategies. Only problem I ever had on cs 1.6 was that it had 8 weapons which made sence using.

2012-09-20 09:05:32
Yeah. I personally like that there are more useable guns in this game and AWP reward 150 is fine too cause it can be very dominant gun in some1s hands , basically you need to make huge impact with it to keep it worthy. p90 is one of the cheapest and most effective guns in the game and always worth of bying into a point that bying galil or famas instead is rather dumb than personal preference because of the killreward :/

The way this game appears to be played is, that as CT you got either an agressive orb and a defensive one or both, p90s going agressive in frontline and m4/ak players as backup players staying on longer distances. In terrorists side its mostly p90s and orbs since p90 is by far the smartest gun for rushing ( cs:go favors offense ) it makes using ak/galil a waste considering that good awp players as T are more effective as backup players and again, killreward is very crucial.
2012-09-20 09:24:32
fnaticMSI FoReSt-dA-KiNg
fnaticMSI f0rest
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fnaticMSI f0restwOw~

SK.f0rest
NiP f0rest
:D
2012-09-20 07:39:40
Well that clear's out who refused for an interview..
2012-09-20 07:49:25
interesting read. but i disagree with 1 point:

" The only difference I can tell you would be in-game wise. CS 1.6 and Source are both a lot different in comparison to one another. In Source, you really need to work a lot more with flashbangs and smokes - it's a lot more of tactics involved. You can pretty much compare it to how CS 1.6 was back in the days, when teams used a lot of tactics.

Now in 1.6 it's mostly pure skill that will win you the games. It's not like that in Source or in CS:GO. You need to work with each other in a different perspective. Smokes need to be placed perfectly and flashes need to be thrown correctly; if you fail to do that, then you will most likely run into a wall."


this simply isnt true.
2012-09-20 08:00:48
Well what he said about source tactics is what happens exactly in cs 1.6 that is for damn sure, I do not know about source though, but I do not think that there can be more tactical fps game than cs 1.6
Let me tell that this guy just said these things about tactics to enlighten get_right and forest that he knows something about tactics as he explained that get_right and forest look down on him..
2012-09-20 16:12:36
What?
He said Forest and gtr DON'T look down on him.
''But not once have I felt that they look down on myself or friberg because we come from Source.''

Reading comprehension fail.
2012-09-20 19:07:41
You are right it is my bad anyway it makes no difference I still maintain my opinion about he saying that to enlighten forest and get_right that he knows something about tactics.. it really does not make any difference..

Post edited 2012-09-20 22:36:18
2012-09-20 22:34:47
Amazing interview , wise words.
Fifflaren didn't say any bad word about 1.6 community .
Everyone should open their minds , and as long as you guys as players who love e-Sport wont support it . Then FPS games will not take place in competive tournaments.
I pray for cs:go to success , and for the both communities to unite.
Fifflaren thank you for the support !
2012-09-20 08:03:30
actually csgo isnt that bad..I pretty like it
2012-09-20 08:25:39
Here I come
2012-09-20 08:32:14
You need us but we don't like you, and your game, that simple.
2012-09-20 08:34:51
by: OK~
#300
+1
2012-09-20 08:42:45
Everyone has their opinion and we must learn to respect it. For many the CS: GO is crap, plain and simple, for others not so. Why so difficult to understand that the vast majority do not like this game? Why this "desire" to want to enter if or if CS: GO on each? From my point of view, the CS: GO is a mess, is exactly the same as the 1.6 but with some differences. Why invent a similar game with different graphics, weapons, or whatever, to impersonate another? If they wanted to "sink" to 1.6, why invent something like? True, time and technology advances, but please, there is nothing that can replace the 1.6 and each will have the "why" of it.
Hopefully the CS: GO decay, be forgotten, and to return those who were.
2012-09-20 08:47:17
I'd rather switch to Dota 2, LoL or Guild wars2, hell I'd rather play mysts of fckin pandaria than play this shitty game that wants to be counter-strike, but doesn't get even close except with the name.. the 1.6 community needed the pros to stand up for it or support a game that wants to be like 1.6(promod) not the game that wants to be a SOURCE/CoD mix. Better switch to fighter games or something, they seem to be the only community left that favors games that require skill over bad games that are NEW and need to SELL! The most idiotic statement in the entire interview has to be that Valve is trying to unite communities?! Valve never did anything good for 1.6 and never wanted to cause it's an old game. But they're trying to squeeze money out of people by naming some crap CoD clones COUNTER-STRIKE. You can't fool everyone...
2012-09-20 08:50:19
I agree with him about the new maps, there needs to be a set of new maps which puts people on a somewhat equal skill level giving a chance for the lower-tier players to make a name for themselves. It just seems like the same circle of recycled 1.6, source, and CoD pros tbh...GET SOME NEW MAPS!
2012-09-20 08:56:55
"angry glock players" made me laugh
2012-09-20 09:19:22
Some of the comments above kinda show why NiP refused to do interviews with HLTV. The amount of hatred people come out with here is just unreal. The fact that dbie said Source players can't have their say on anything 1.6 related is just stupid considering many of these players have had to deal with abuse on people who called Source a "shit" game, what gives you more of a right to comment on Fiffs game of he can't comment on 1.6 because he's not worthy. I only come here nowadays to read the news and comment.

1.6 players don't need to switch but as stated if you want the "updated" game that you all desire then you have a chance for your voice to be heard in the right way if you played the game, and gave constructive criticism. That's the difference here. You players have that chance but you are too stubborn to realise that. The greater the numbers, the more chance that Valve will bow down to the pressure of the communities wishes.

On the interview, what a great interview it is, well played HLTV for such a well written and balanced article :)
2012-09-20 09:19:23
They simply want this game to collapse, it doesnt matter if this is 30% of 1.6 or 110%, best or worst game of the century, good recoil or bad recoil . The more cs:go gets players, news, updates the more desperate these haters become. Hopefully we have an decent HLTV.org community with less hatred in itafter few months even its not looking too promising at the moment :/
2012-09-20 09:31:32
Indeed a sad reality, I guess they don't realise that after tournaments completely dropped 1.6 that they won't pick it up ever again?

I suppose we just need to get players from BF3 and CoD4 to switch, perhaps we could get a nice and interesting community from it. A team of BF3 and CoD players beat a Source team the other night in GO, which I would have thought would really throw the scene into some interesting tournaments that are coming up!
2012-09-20 09:46:39
I guess they realise it, its a common sense. They just cant afford to come in public with it, instead of looking cool over the internet bashing CS:GO following the majority of haters, and agreeing on everything they hear from them. We all were childs once, they need something to follow sadly it happens to be the other childs instead of adults :/
2012-09-20 10:24:37
99% of Counter Strike players will never attend a professional level tournament, win any prize money or earn a salary from playing this game so why would any of us care if these inaccessible, upper echelons of Counter Strike die?
2012-09-20 12:08:57
+1
2012-09-20 16:14:37
>the "updated" game that you all desire

No.
2012-09-20 11:55:02
this community makes me sick to my stomach YOU will be the reason competitive fps will die
fucking idiots
2012-09-20 09:35:01
+1
2012-09-20 10:11:21
+1 1.6 community is so full of retards this is a shame...
2012-09-20 10:12:08
I know. It's kinda funny actually. Who would want to invest in a community full of assholes, or a game with declining popularity.
2012-09-20 10:49:02
So what you are doing here? GO to cadret
2012-09-20 12:23:57
i am here for the great news and features of hltv not the dumb as fuck community
2012-09-20 12:28:25
Dumb becouse they think that CS GO is bad game? We have freedom of speach you know. They can bash the game becouse they have the right to.
2012-09-20 12:39:08
So because of freedom of speech I am allowed to bash and flame the fuck out of you?

"One persons freedom ends where another persons freedom begins"
2012-09-20 12:46:11
In they (and mine too) opinion this game is crap. Where i attacked your person?
2012-09-20 12:50:23
Well you (cs:go basher) react and behave like total retards that's all he says, and he is basicaly right. This justify the name of "dumb fuck community".
2012-09-20 19:10:42
France sourcer right?
2012-09-20 19:37:26
why are you blaming the people who don't want to play a game because they don't like it ?

2012-09-20 13:29:46
ok fine ;) i can be the reason why te fps competitive will die. And u are now on 1.6 based community site soo shut your mouth
2012-09-20 14:31:26
Excuse me but we were the reason why it became competitive so we have the right to decide if it dies or not..
fucking idiot
2012-09-20 16:20:21
no you were not the professional players were the reason not random scrubs like the majority of this community
2012-09-20 22:59:11
Yeah honestly this community is :( nowdays. People can't even read an interview before commenting to the title of it... Great interview btw.
2012-09-20 16:23:25
i prefere my old shitty game with 100 pixels. bb =)
2012-09-20 09:53:04
LOOOLL !!!

I'd say that in-game we tend to argue a bit from time to time, but it's never been on a personal level. I think when f0rest, Xizt and GeT_RiGhT first heard us quarrel with each other they were a bit shocked
2012-09-20 10:06:44
great interview and a nice person!
to all CS:GO haters: CHANGE IS LIFE

Post edited 2012-09-20 10:10:59
2012-09-20 10:10:44
shame ....this article was quite good, and i understand what he meant by source being more tactical focused instead of pureskill ....



too bad most of hltv.org users have 2 digit IQs...
2012-09-20 10:14:00
- P90 is insanely overpowered, needs to be nerfed!

This weapon really owns in deathmatch :DD
2012-09-20 10:18:54
'Many in the CS 1.6 community have been pretty conservative in supporting the new game'
'I am truly amazed how loyal people are to the game!'

oh come on...
Dota2 48.4 hours / 107.2 hours
Counter-Strike 38.0 hours / 2,277.4 hours
Counter-Strike:GO 1.8 hours / 49.2 hours

my steam stats don't look like that because I'm loyal to something, it's because 1.6 is a better game, that's all
2012-09-20 10:28:48
:D 1 digit IQ spotted
2012-09-20 10:35:41
? It shows loyalty as well..
2012-09-20 10:40:29
authors imply that people stick to 1.6 because they are loyal to their old game, they seem to forget that we consider this old game better than the new game, loyalty has nothing to do with this
2012-09-20 10:48:04
exactly :D:D
2012-09-20 16:23:43
ppl dont understand anything...
we have:
dead cs1.6
dead cs:s
and we have an opportunity to have something similar to cs - csgo
and people just killing it with their hands, u can't understand that u won't revive 1.6
either we have csgo or we have nothing at all
2012-09-20 10:59:05
then we have nothing mate.. there are tons of brilliant games to play with, but it is not cs:go shitload...
2012-09-20 16:25:00
+1
2012-09-22 14:32:11
i chose nothing
2012-09-20 18:37:03
of course, ppl in portugal dont have enough money to buy a computer for CS:GO(probably even not enough to buy csgo)
2012-09-21 15:22:07
lol xD
2012-09-21 16:58:16
dont know what to say o__O
2012-09-20 11:03:49
Well anyways, I bet Fifflaren could beat up any dota nerd.
To tell you the truth I take pleasure in beating up nerds who play strategy games... Do you think I need help?


No of course not, bros always beat up nerds, it's the way of life.
2012-09-20 11:22:08
You wish fifflaren
2012-09-20 11:31:07
That means cs:GO will die too ?
ok ... catch me if you can
2012-09-20 11:41:37
Why hasn't hltv cleaned out it's user-base. The retards on this forum are a fucking disgrace, look at the state of this thread.
2012-09-20 12:05:37
CS:S i more tactical than 1.6? wtf? he never seen tactics in 1.6? with smoke/flash, etc etc? what???? lol
2012-09-20 12:09:22
Honestly don't understand whats wrong with some people, some of the comments in this thread are just so retarded. Such narrow minded people acting like little kids "1.6 4lyf" yeah nice one guys! You guys should seriously play the game and give feedback and try and get help get certain things changed in the game. Guess thats too much for most of you guys though judging by the comments on this website.
2012-09-20 12:13:28
99% of Counter Strike players will never attend a professional level tournament, win any prize money or earn a salary from playing this game so why would any of us care if these inaccessible, upper echelons of Counter Strike die? So that a bunch of "journalists" and 20 year old nerds don't need to get real jobs?
2012-09-20 12:34:14
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#442
Maybe because we assumed that the spectators actually liked spectating high level CS, and were interested in doing so in the future.
2012-09-20 12:59:19
I don't think it is worth sacrificing a game you love to play just to watch other people playing a worse one.
2012-09-20 13:07:43
Exactly we were so interested in spectating high level CS, but it is not CS anymore it is cs:go a source clone and I never spectated source here and I won't spectate any cs:go either, for the simple fact that I do not like it it is a s***.
2012-09-20 16:30:46
Don't even bother to reply to people like "CPU1" there is no point even trying, lost causes.
2012-09-20 17:14:29
Current Players | Game

45696 - Dota 2
29109 - Team Fortress 2
27147 - Borderlands 2
19416 - Counter-Strike
19227 - Football Manager 2012
12839 - Counter-Strike: Source
10934 - Sid Meier's Civilization V
10674 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
9143 - Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 - Multiplayer
7440 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

Yes CS1.6 and CS:S seems to be really dead.



that is all fine and dandy, but if you look at call of duty 4, its the second most played game on xfire, it has ~45k players playing it every day (xfire is like steam to cod4 users) and yet, all of the competitive scene is dead, and th same goes for cs 1.6 i think because valve wont support it anymore and shit...its really ashame tho, because cs 1.6 was an amazing game but still...CS:GO is where is at atm
2012-09-20 12:17:21
Without 1.6 players who will watch streams Valve can do shit.
2012-09-20 12:23:04
99% of Counter Strike players will never attend a professional level tournament, win any prize money or earn a salary from playing this game so why would any of us care if these inaccessible, upper echelons of Counter Strike die? So that a bunch of "journalists" and 20 year old nerds don't need to get real jobs?
2012-09-20 12:27:36
Sad is that those 99% were using stupid arguments like stats, prizes, events, and sizes of players dicks to demonstrate how much cool and godlike their game is. And it was like that for a years.

And now they dont give a fuck ? Stupid community as f*ck

Post edited 2012-09-20 12:35:58
2012-09-20 12:35:27
8,890 21,619 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive


True hurts i know. Don't Cry i have a Pflaster for you :D

http://www.newsfix.pl/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/1..

Post edited 2012-09-20 12:42:16
2012-09-20 12:41:33
what it has to do with my reply ?

Why the fuck is 1.6 community so fucking stupid that u cant even read ?
2012-09-20 12:43:19
HAHAHAH. Your anger and other CS GO fans is just adorable :D 1.6 is dead. Thats true but GO i more dead HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA becouse this game is big ugly peace of shit.

Post edited 2012-09-20 12:46:50
2012-09-20 12:45:18
What did u just say ? Sorry, I dont understand you a single word... :(

Post edited 2012-09-20 12:52:48
2012-09-20 12:52:05
oke
2012-09-20 12:54:04
His anger is far more accebtable, than your nonsense whining and crying every single day. Do you live in this site? If you are as miserable in real life than in internet i pity you, those other kids who throw rocks at your face after schoolday have also noticed that ? Dont come here acting something when your probably most bullied mickey mouse this site has. =)
2012-09-20 12:56:21
Im not crying. I only say that CS GO is a bad game. This is only my opinion. CS CZ i also a bad game. Only opinon. Without cry :D Scene is dying. Its sad but what can we do? Support CS GO? nah. It's not worth it.
2012-09-20 13:00:55
Yes you are crying, if you think cs:go is a bad game you treat is as it were air. But you seem to care more than you can handle since you cant stop yourself yelling here daily. If you tell your "opinion" once, thats fine, but telling it 20 times a day everyday is not. And why the fuck havent you filtered it out if you dont care about it and think it as a bad game?
2012-09-20 13:06:25
+1
2012-09-20 13:12:15
nowadays the GO players are crying, that the 1.6 scene have not switched. No one need to switch because 1.6 gives more fun then go. Deal with it. CS:GO is slow as turtle without movement full of case. U got it?
2012-09-20 14:41:58
well maybe he enjoyes to wind up guys like you, who wants this shit cs:go to stay alive.. this is the wrong door you are knocking on.. this is 1.6 community not source and source clone cs:go community..

Post edited 2012-09-20 16:38:05
2012-09-20 16:37:04
NO. you are crying. :D I just annoy dumb GO fans.

I show you pure cry

,,Why hasn't hltv cleaned out it's user-base. The retards on this forum are a fucking disgrace, look at the state of this thread.,,


,,this community makes me sick to my stomach YOU will be the reason competitive fps will die
fucking idiots,,


And more and more crying...
2012-09-20 18:31:31
You are Mickey Mouse, mate...
2012-09-20 13:10:07
You are an upright walking joke, seriously.
2012-09-20 15:05:13
+1 :D:D:D:D
2012-09-20 16:32:39
What prize money and tournaments? Well it sounds like you don`t even like spectating pro matches, but it doesn`t mean others don`t. :)
There is no need to be on proffesional level to enjoy competitive cs.
2012-09-20 13:27:15
HLTV.org community manages to sadden me more day by day, this coming from a loyal 1.6 player.

Anyway, amazing interview, great job Pus.
2012-09-20 12:48:15
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#441
Yup, me too, we will start striking down harder and harder on this idiotic blind rage, if people dislike CS:GO they can filter it.
2012-09-20 12:57:29
Just delete every provacting thread and comments, if necessary ban the ones who keep on doing it. It wont stop them spamming this site, but it cives normal users more air to breath here. Its barely impossible to search for real information at this site novadays cause 90% are full of nonsense.
2012-09-20 13:03:28
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#457
We are banning a lot of users, and will start to ban first time offenders also, we are committed to making the site useful for everyone, whether they like CS:GO or not..
2012-09-20 13:13:11
It leaves zero execuses to bash and yell about cs:go in cs:go forums or 1.6 in 1.6 forums with the filther being presented. All posts not relevant to forums where they are posted should be deleted atleast in my opinion.
2012-09-20 13:20:14
yea,censorship thats going to make this website better... what about freedom of speech and being able to voice your opinion?
Its true that some comments are way over the top,but the ones that give good arguments,points and no insults are banned as well?
2012-09-20 19:03:50
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#647
Well what do you think? Honestly? Of course we will not ban well thought out posts, we are not a thought police, and I think people should be critical, but there is a long way between the blind rage, and what you describe..
2012-09-20 19:20:14
Alright, but the funny thing is the way you guys describe it, its only the 1.6 fans that rage while the cs:go fans insults 1.6 players as being dumb,retarded,flaming/raging monkeys but thats ok?
Also I just realised how tough your situation is,having to deal with alot of arguments and trying to get new people in without offending the ones you have already.
So good luck with that, I sincerely hope this website keeps growing after we (1.6 fans) leave it, because we wont have anything to come for :)
2012-09-20 19:45:50
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#652
And what do you have to come for now? There are no CS 1.6 events left in a few months, so what exactly is the difference for HLTV.org? We cover competitive CS, the past many years that has been CS 1.6, now it is not anymore, we either move with the times or get left behind, we chose to move with the times. I see no point in letting HLTV.org die from inactivity just to prove how much we loved 1.6, anyone who ever visited the site will know that we fought with everything we had for 1.6, but in the end it wasn't up to us or you guys..

We fought too hard getting here, to simply give up now, if we go down, it will be fighting.
2012-09-20 19:48:29
Well , I come here because its a habit.I browse this site in the morning with my coffee before going to work, and when I get back ^^
Maybe I will still do so after there is no more 1.6 news who knows.I dont think hltv.org will go down,I hope not, you guys are the best a what you do.
2012-09-20 20:14:31
And I can't even imagine the stuff that gets delete before too much people see it.

Anyway, nice too know you guys are getting stricter, I can see a lot of comments have been deleted from this newsposts already.

Post edited 2012-09-20 13:09:34
2012-09-20 13:09:06
Yeah, those idiotic users that helped make what this site is voicing their opinions must be banned. As if you didnt know your community and why we are mad, roflmao.
2012-09-20 15:07:33
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#518
Well they can go help make another site then, they are scaring away everyone else with their senseless rage, if they want to give constructive criticism it is fine. CS 1.6 is over competitively, and I have no intention of closing HLTV.org, therefore we will cover CS:GO, I even added filtering to allow people who do not care about CS:GO to remove the game from the site, so I will not accept their mindless behavior.
2012-09-20 15:09:21
Yeah you must have said to the sponsors "dont sponsor us cuz more than half the ppl that come to our site are inmature kids". Only ppl we are scaring is the css community that massively migrated from catred. I mean, the same guys that are saying csgo> cs1.6 cuz it has better grapichs xoxoxx. If you want that minority over your loyal 1.6 fanbase so be it.
2012-09-20 15:21:00
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#523
And what exactly will the 1.6 base stay around for? There will be no tournaments, no news, no demos, no statistics. It will simply mean the site will slowly die, and naturally not a single sponsor will wish to buy ads on a site that has no future.

We will continue to cover CS 1.6 events if they come, but till I see CS 1.6 magically become a competitively title again, we are focused where the competition is, and that is CS:GO.
2012-09-20 15:23:14
Of course i get that 1.6 pro scene is dying extremely fast but forcing a news filter will only create more hate or a banning spree.
2012-09-20 15:36:40
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#538
Uh what? If all people wish to comment in CS:GO news is "CS:GO SUCKS" then they should sure as hell filter it, if they do not wish to filter, and still think they should reply nonsense like that, they should be prepared to be banned.
2012-09-20 15:49:05
Oh, so it would be better if we explain y this game is so bad instead of just a CSGO SUCKS. Almost every comment here is negative about the game and carry the same spirit "csgo sucks" its just not as plain. As for us commenting(hating) on this article ¿it might be cuz of the title ,maybe?

Post edited 2012-09-20 16:00:28
2012-09-20 15:57:20
I'm Pretty sure if the "CS:GO fanboys" write in the 1.6 news that 1.6 sux and just flaming/trollig they are also getting banned. it's working both ways.
2012-09-20 18:37:05
You see this is where you are wrong, none of us have ever said CS:GO > 1.6, and the fact that you seem to think that means you miss the complete point.
2012-09-21 12:15:12
by: 511
#532
we made u and now u tell us to make another site ... these reminds me of another site that carn was talking about
2012-09-20 15:39:24
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#537
You did not make us, the dedicated crew members of HLTV.org made this site, you guys simple used it and got top notch content and coverage served with no cost to you what so ever. We are in no way obliged to do what you tell us, nor do we owe you anything.
2012-09-20 15:48:08
I'm have always used this website for keeping myself up to date with 1.6 once in a while but never "really" used the site because of the manners. Sticked to the news and nothing else. Now you cover my main game and that changes things a little.

It seems to be a select few writing in every thread and in every news-topic (maybe 20-30 users)that sets the tone for this website. I can't understand why users like "dbie" is still able to comment in here. They bring the level of conversation down to such a low level.

Hope it gets better with time :)
2012-09-20 18:45:01
yep it`s over that`s is very sad:( But
Valve kill it 1.6 the best fps game ever
2012-09-21 01:07:48
absolutely right!

+10000
2012-09-20 16:44:56
I'm baffled by the amount of negativity in here.
Even though he has a different opinion, you don't have to flame him or the game.

I see why 1.6 has issues picking up new players, because the existing community is not focused on itself and their own game and not on how to attract others from other games.

Nonetheless, great interview, good answers and good question. Thumbs up to Pus and Fifflaren.
2012-09-20 12:49:38
No shit, CS:GO is on Source engine and maps are very similar.

Sherlock :P
2012-09-20 12:56:58
CS:GO update or gtfo =]
2012-09-20 12:59:26
CS:GO needs 1.6 maps then it will be competitive
2012-09-20 12:59:47
Won't happen. Sorry to say that fifflaren.

There's no way on the planet that people who've played the same game since 2000 will change over to something as bad as CS:GO.

CS 1.6 don't differ that much from 1.5 or 1.3 or 1.0 - CS:GO on the other hand differs alot from these games.

This new "CS:GO" thing is to me stupid, because not only does it divide players even more. It gives people also the hysteria beyond imagineable.

There're players who dropped out of school for CS 1.6; remember emilio, jesperwow, and many other kids who dropped out of school to play a game.

(Which didn't give them that much), so because of this, I don't see the idea of creating a new game when 3 different generations played the same game for almost a decade.
2012-09-20 13:07:58
"i dont see the idea of creating a new game" Where you think such succesfull and well known company like Valve gets their largers profit? All valve did was make a new game, hype it as much as they could (in order to sell copies) thats how business works. Its players choice and players only to divide counterstrike scene not Valves or Hidden Paths. Agree on the hysteria thing tho its FAR beyond imagineable.
2012-09-20 13:16:47
The company sells X copies, and they profit on people buying their products.

For such a game as CS:GO, they know that if they lower the price, people will buy it just because it's called Counter-Strike.

To me, CS:GO is just a CS:CZ version of CS:S. That's what I've told people now for a few months. If you may remember, CS:CZ was hyped as CS:GO was, difference was that CS:CZ even had a WCG being played on it.

CS:S had the same hype when it got released too, and that's the same deal right there. It's all just a thing for VALVe to profit money on people buying their games.

Reaching out to their most loyal customers is easy, you just need to name the game Counter-Strike, and that's when the hysteria kicks in.

When I was about 9-10, I used to play CS as an afterschool activity, I never understood that the game were taken seriously with IT-cafes and such. (After-wards when I realized that people were actually devoting their resources to the game).

I've seen all the major IT-cafes in Sweden grown from 0 to 100 in Stockholm. I've seen the scene grown from a hobby to a employment.

What sickens me most is the fact that people still encourage others to go over to a completely new game in order to obtain better sponsorship deals between companies and clubs.

That's what it's all about in the end of the day, Intel can finally have use for their great processors. It's just a matter of time before CS:GO gets so hyped that it'll remind you of StarCraft2s eSportscene.

And I'm not willing to become a part of it, because I play a game for enjoyment and not to get paid for it. For payments, I've my university degree I'm working on. :)
2012-09-20 13:39:04
Yeah but my point was,
that valve is succesfull when their game sells. When its highly ranked and loved its just extra not something they depend on.

Im pretty sure Valve is fine how its going with cs:go aldready even tho it could sell more. =/

The thing is how much Valve cares if CS:GO becomes long lasting competitive game, or something that brough them decent profit which they can spare in order to make another well selling game.

Thats pure business and comparing the playerbase with 1.6 is irrelevant because there are caps between "Best selling fps game ever" and "well selling fps game". Which some people fail to understand.

Valve did not make GO to TOP 1.6 they made it to sell copies in order to get profit, and in order to sell a game they hype it, advertise it and part of that is exaggerating.
2012-09-20 13:59:28
+10000
2012-09-20 16:49:11
Very nice interview, hope HLTV gets more of these interviews. Well done Pus and Fifflaren.

My 2 cents:

What destroys CS (all titles) is not Valve, is not HPE, is not the organizers of tournaments, is not the large hardware manufacturers, is not all the people that put alot of time, effort and money in e-sports.

It's you and me. People kill CS, not companies. I may be an old guy in video games, but i've learned over the years that humans destroy everything to get "their way". And right now im witnessing how our beloved CS is getting killed by arguing.

Play the game you love, but at least have the decency to respect others who play a different version too.
2012-09-20 13:08:04
Your 2 cents, that argument regarding the people ruining the game is invalid.

Let me tell you exactly why. CS:GO doesn't build on 1.6 mechanics. It's a completely new game. Let me also remind you that the maps aren't near the maps of 1.6.

This game has created a huge gap, because people who've played CS since 2000 won't be having any upper hand in this game.

I don't like the idea that my 10 years of gaming will be wasted just like that, because of a new game.

Doesn't mean that I can't get good at it, but still. The idea of putting 10 years of your life on a game which one day died out seems to me a beginning of a new chapter in life.

CS will never die out, infact there'll always be publics who're going to host servers. Just like people did for Quake 3.

2012-09-20 13:15:24
Nobody kills CS. It`s just an ongoing rumor, as actually none of cs versions dies out, only the competitive level starts dying out.

Anyway, professionals aren`t fools to not realize risk of theyr actions. Valve may not have expected this much hate, but generally it`s not like there is any chance for CS:GO do die, because we haven`t had that many updates since release yet, so if anything game is only going to improve, so it doesn`t make sense for game to lose players while improving at same time. More players are going to join, till rumors about it beign bad starts dispersing and oldies strarts accepting change.

Post edited 2012-09-20 13:34:05
2012-09-20 13:32:53
I think we can agree to disagree then. #458

Post edited 2012-09-20 13:29:27
2012-09-20 13:28:39
"I'd say the only thing that's alike would be the engine. Dust2 is also very similar, but the other maps changed for us as well! "

having 1k hours of CS:S on my steam account i can only say to this

FALSE
2012-09-20 13:35:28
I like the part when he said that Go is more tactical, i just lol´d.
2012-09-20 13:59:07
by: yxo
#492
true :)
2012-09-20 14:13:35
If you think it is not true , you never saw a competitive css match.
2012-09-20 16:53:13
1.6 is THE tactical game.
2012-09-20 16:59:49
if you really wanted to compare the possible tacts you can have in both games, you would easily check that the css maps are too way overlooted with particles and "objects" and those things make both flashing and smoking a thing with more options you can work with, which makes it a "more tactical game".
2012-09-20 17:02:34
it is 50/50 i think because

On css :

- it is easyer to flash someone (flashbang gets you more white or longer)
- people are harder to flash because they can camp better
- you can trow flashes above the map/walls

cs 1.6

- Forget about trowing flashes above map/walls
- flashes aren't that strong, you can turn around and be almost unflashed


And many other things for both Mods

was it correct what i said about css ? because i didn't play it since a few years now ?
2012-09-20 19:36:31
i just played css until the "fail" update , i played both css and 1.6 at the same time both at a good level and i know that im right when i say css is a bit more tactical than 1.6 but it is not that skill based game thats 1.6 is
2012-09-21 19:15:08
I really hate this community :(
2012-09-20 14:01:19
Why you hate me.. :/ Lets get along...
2012-09-20 14:03:46
agree, so much haters
2012-09-20 14:09:54
FPS shooter without Bhop + double duck = sucks!
2012-09-20 14:10:55
How many of you haters have played this game for more than 10 minutes?

Post edited 2012-09-20 14:22:26
2012-09-20 14:22:18
me
2012-09-20 18:29:21
i have played the game, it isn't a bad game, but it still sux comparing 2 1.6, i didn't say that the game is sh*t, i just sayied that 1.6 is better, i play GO with pleasure, but i don't see it like a game of future........it's exactly like CoD4......just a game for kids....even in 1.6 are -18 players, but there is the tallent....there is the future......
WE CAN NOT REPLACE 1.6 With Go, the PRO 1.6 players or the players that have been playing 1.6 for 5+years will never make the switch to GO...
The only players that will proceed to GO are the young 1.6 talents, maybe as n0thing, xizt ,wicked.......we will never see HeatoN playing this game 4real....just 4FUN, 'cause he knows that it's not 4 Players like him/us....
2012-09-20 14:46:08
Patriotic CS 1.6 fans are retarded,so there is not a big deal. They will play CS 1.6 and refresh HLTV.org without CS1.6 news till they die.
2012-09-20 14:50:35
+1

"refresh HLTV.org without CS1.6 news till they die."

sentence just made my day =DD
2012-09-20 15:01:25
If they really died when there wasn't any news delivered hltv.org should consider not to release any CS 1.6 related blog at all and thus let the problem solve itself. Natural selection at its best.
2012-09-20 15:07:42
"refresh HLTV.org without CS1.6 news till they die."
LMAO
2012-09-20 21:42:28
respect fifflaren
2012-09-20 15:24:57
Create a good game first and then we'll switch, deal?
2012-09-20 15:31:31
deal!
2012-09-20 16:59:07
"I really do understand the CS 1.6 community, they just don't want their beloved game to die - which it will NEVER do!"

(Y)
2012-09-20 15:42:02
Valve remakes dota with better graphics and gets 90k daily. Instead of doing the same with 1.6 they make a totaly new cs and gets worse numbers than css and 1.6. Gj Valve.

Post edited 2012-09-20 15:47:49
2012-09-20 15:46:05
I really dont understand them, they seem to like making bad games.
2012-09-20 22:18:32
Just keep holding onto 1.6 and the FPS scene will die. Esports will just be LoL, Sc2, and Dota2. There won't be an fps.
2012-09-20 15:51:42
team first person shooter like counter strike will never die
2012-09-20 15:57:23
Yeah because shootmania won't have a chance or another FPS game. Smart ass american.
2012-09-20 16:41:38
lol shootmania....
2012-09-20 16:58:10
shootmania has no competitive gameplay imo
2012-09-20 17:20:48
this saucer is right here
2012-09-20 19:05:31
You're full of patriotism NA.
2012-09-20 17:27:23
if you master microing those marines in sc2 its almost like a fps. I miss cs1.6 so much already :(
2012-09-21 02:49:40
true shit
2012-09-20 16:42:13
sad but i dont need GO community
2012-09-20 16:55:35
CS:GO will be down in two years...No reason to change to a dead game.

Look, there are many pro's already in CS:GO, just got many updates, it's new and fresh and what's the numbers? Joke...

The only effect of this GO was to take down the professional 1.6. Good job!
2012-09-20 17:02:12
mad?
2012-09-20 17:27:05
Look ono, how retarded the hltv Community is. Even more retarded than CoD4 comm.

They should all get a perm ban
2012-09-20 17:31:48
The propblem is the supossed successor or replacement is undeniable many backward steps in the gameplay evolution of cs game. In face to face comparison with its preceding rival, the sucessor just sucks man, cant help it, if you dont like it im sorry i didnt like it either. We could all make fake smiling and pretend to looove the new game, but i dont waste my time or energy with bullshit. lets face it, we need a better cs than csgo.
2012-09-20 18:19:19
we only write critic about cs:go is that ret for u????
2012-09-21 01:20:44
The "FPS scene will die if you don't support CS:GO" argument is pretty invalid. I mean, I loved 1.6 and loved to follow the competive scene, no doubt, but with 1.6 dying, I couldn't care less if the FPS scene was dead or not.

Actually I think CS:GO is an.. okay game, not that great, only played it a couple of times though, but seeing the CS:GO players stating that the 1.6 players SHOULD start supporting and playing it, even if they do not like it, that is just ridiculous.

And yeah, it is quite obvious if you read through the comments that there are quite a bunch of immature 1.6 fanboys, but to be honest, are the CS:GO fanboys much better? They keep calling the 1.6 fanboys retarded and stupid for not playing CS:GO when they don't want to. Yeah, that's mature. HLTV.org is a great site, I love it, but CS:GO is really splitting it up, and it seems pretty obvious to me that most (Nomad as an example) admins decided to go for CS:GO, but it saddens me to see him trying to make the CS:GO fans look like the good guys and the 1.6 as the bad.

Please drop the freaking good/evil theme. The CS:GO fans arent victims. Also I love the fact that the CS:GO fans (especially the ex-source players) keep flaming the 1.6 community like hell, but they still want them to come to CS:GO..oh the irony

Post edited 2012-09-20 17:55:12
2012-09-20 17:54:47
Good words, bro!

Post edited 2012-09-20 18:16:37
2012-09-20 18:16:27
really well said.
2012-09-20 18:25:01
people are being misled and manipulated.

If 1.6 ends retire and do something else.
or keep playing it even if no big competitive scene.
but play csgo?

CSGO is nothing like cs 1.6, they just NEED your presence to improve their stats, and pro player needs your interest to generate money, but everybody KNOWS this game is not what anybody was looking for.

The truth. Sincerly
2012-09-20 18:02:34
Create a good game first and then we'll switch, deal?
2012-09-20 18:20:42
I do unfortunately believe that the 1.6 players will never move over to the new game, simply because CS:GO still doens't feel like counter-strike. It's all about running around shooting without any real technique and hope you get the kills. In 1.6 you need to consider so many more things before getting into a duel.

In CS:GO it feels like they have removed everything that made counter-strike counter-strike, and replaced it with nothing. It feels like any other FPS-title, and I can ofc speak only for myself, but that's not what I want.

After trying out Black Mesa, seeing how fantastic that fan made game is, I once again got my hopes up for CSP. It can be done...

CS:GO is an okay public game, but for competitive play it just isn't what it should be.

Post edited 2012-09-20 18:22:35
2012-09-20 18:21:32
+1 ;)

2012-09-20 18:48:21
The funny thing is all the cs:go fans will be in our shoes in a few years when a new counter-strike is release, and the new game fans will tell you how stubborn you guys are,you will also be shown the exit door by hltv.org like we are now.
2012-09-20 19:50:15
the funny thing is that before 1.6 existed, there were dozens of versions of cs....and EVERY time a new update was released, you either had to download it, or you couldnt play anymore. there was always a bunch of sourpuss crybabies who refused to get the new versions but they eventualy did and accepted it because it was the only choice they had. good thing they did, because if not, cs woulda died. cs has ALWAYS been about accepting change and innovation. even when 1.6 came out and WON was shut down, there was a whole community of people who dedicated themselves to ignoring steam and creating their own WON AUTH servers so they could play without steam....im pretty sure this commmunity still exists - somewhere, but its irrelevent because they dont even play your 'hallowed' 1.6 game and dont compete in any leagues. in fact, the "original" cspromod, came before 1.6 even existed. it was called 'counter-strike classic'. it was a mod meant to revert all the changes that had been put in starting with version 1.0 and after... it even put the scoped m4 back in lol....it was fun but, it failed, because most people moved on to the 'official' cs release. i even played it a bit for the nostalgia factor, but the competitive scene moved on so i followed.

it wasnt until source was released that cs players 'officially' had the choice to keep playing current cs(1.6) or upgrade and move on (css). this was the ultimate nail in the coffin of what was the international competitive cs scene. cs was already up to that point a very NOT-worthwhile investment for many pro teams, so a lot of organizations seeing $$$$ fasttracked the switch from 1.6 to source... but the main competitive community didnt follow because source was too terrible and too soon, 1.6 had JUST started to reach its potential and was now under fire from a game of the same name. only problem was that valve made a big mistake by releasing source the way they did. it was a rushed 1.6 'copy' in a new engine and marketed as "the multiplayer componant of halflife 2". tieing it into halflife 2 made css as big and as casual as it was when it started, otherwise not many people would have gotten on board with it and arguably a lot less people would be playing it today. csgo is different in the sense that it has been an entire 8 years since the last official release and it has had a drawn-out beta phase where many updates have been made....this is where the community comes in. csgo has the potential to be the next big game, but only if the community plays it and keeps putting in constructive feedback to the developers. once again cs players are given the choice to upgrade or to stick to what they know, and as cs history has shown us, most people will not move on willingly, and a select few will absolutely positively NEVER move on. basicaly, cs has shed its userbase with each and every release that has been made, because everyone thinks they are playing the 'definitive' version. cs is NOT 1.6. cs is in the gamemodes, hostage rescue and bomb defusal. thats why people played cs over tfc and other mods. thats why csgo IS cs, even if its not the cs YOU like to play. time to stop lashing out against a game nobody is forcing you to play, because others enjoy playing it even if you do not. csgo did not 'kill' 1.6, 1.6 hasnt been the esport it used to be over 5 years. sure, you can follow the same 3 teams forthe next 10 years if you want, but you cant really blame anyone for moving on and hoping for something bigger. jesus christ, just start fucking crying already and get some fucking perspective.

Post edited 2012-09-20 21:26:23
2012-09-20 21:20:43
tl;dr
butthurt CS:GO player.
2012-09-21 02:10:06
It"s all about money no " 1.6 community " to play cs 1.6 yuo need not very good pc.CS:GO necessary powerfull pc :)All corporations give some money for pro players to migrate to cs:go :D At the final decision cs:go play emigrants from cs 1.6 ;D
2012-09-20 21:11:31
lets me say something!! w/e will happen but CS 1.6 will be the best and better then CS:GO..and u guys wants support ? did u ask us when u kicked CS 1.6 frm the main title..give ppl what they want...and they want CS 1.6...not CS:GO with petrol bomb...CS:Go cant replace Cs 1.6 frm our mind

2012-09-20 21:24:54
wtf

Post edited 2012-09-20 22:02:47
2012-09-20 21:59:42
It's not about which game is better, its about moving on and having an open mind for the entire "counter strike" community. The future.

Clearly 1.6 has no future. And I'm convinced 80% of you guys are on some sort on bandwagon, reading what other says about GO and then repeating the shit like a bunch of parrots.

Grow the fuck up, this isn't a pissing contest. Its about what is best for the community and the future of FPS and esports.

Can't you see 1.6 dying?

"I'd rather not play then to switch to GO!"

^ then go fuck yourself and grow up.

Peace
2012-09-20 23:34:00
hahahahahaha go to sleep bro get_sleep :DDD
2012-09-21 01:35:06
cool bandwagon bro
2012-09-21 09:02:11
Good read! Fifflaren is probably the only source player who respect 1.6, cool.
2012-09-20 23:42:57
good read! you tell em' fifflaren :P hopefully cs:go will come alive soon
2012-09-20 23:54:28
+1
he knows what`s CS 1.6 represent for the FPS scene
CS 1.6 4ever!!
2012-09-21 00:02:51
Yep, fuck NiP and CS:GO. Lets just let dota2, LoL, and sc2 take over everything more than it already has. morons on this site, no wonder im not very active here anymore. flooded by morons that appear to be unable to reason or think.
2012-09-21 06:47:27
"Just gonna say that CS:GO, CS 1.6 and a lot more are just games, a game is made to have fun, if you don´t enjoy playing the game, why would you play it?
He needs the 1.6 community to keep making money in pro gaming business, because that is what he wants, earn money."

-Kiribo
2012-09-21 17:07:11
That isn't at all the point that matters. If you enjoy playing/watching CS:GO and want the game to have maintain players/viewers as well as the competitive scene to continue to develop, we should support it.
2012-09-21 23:00:41
LOL...so much critics fuk GO better to watch DOTA2 and anything else than this boring shitty game..
2012-09-21 07:38:42
What we need to do is start supporting these 1.6 fanboys cause they are feeling horrible right now :(
we cs:go players are more than happy with the current state of the game. =)
2012-09-21 11:07:34
Who cares.
2012-09-21 11:47:41
A good interview except for -
"In Source, you really need to work a lot more with flashbangs and smokes - it's a lot more of tactics involved. Now in 1.6 it's mostly pure skill that will win you the games. It's not like that in Source or in CS:GO. You need to work with each other in a different perspective. Smokes need to be placed perfectly and flashes need to be thrown correctly."

dude you gotta be kidding me,right? or was FALLEN always right about source being more tactical?!hahaaha!

u do need to hit the smokes and flashes at the right spots in 1.6 tooo u know,don't blame 1.6 for "pure skill". BLAME YOUR SHITTY SOURCE ENGINE in CS:S LOL!
2012-09-21 13:15:06
Just gonna say that CS:GO, CS 1.6 and a lot more are just games, a game is made to have fun, if you don´t enjoy playing the game, why would you play it?
He needs the 1.6 community to keep making money in pro gaming business, because that is what he wants, earn money.
2012-09-21 16:05:27
+1!
2012-09-21 19:42:31
yes
2012-09-21 19:36:23
I dont play cs:go. but I will certainly watch tournaments.
playing sc2 now
gl hf
2012-09-21 20:18:34
you need something from people , when random supporter or semi players want something from pro like NiP etc.. or people from hltv , always have nothing ! So dont ask for something aswell Fifflaren

Post edited 2012-09-21 23:02:02
2012-09-21 23:01:18
+1 !!!!!!!!!
2012-09-22 01:45:18
:GO mostly source so NO THX DOOODE!
2012-09-22 03:51:32
I think people need to be a bit more open-minded, but at the same time, I'm still waiting for the day that they make a game that is good enough that can be enjoyed by the rest of the community.
2012-09-22 14:08:23
They should've named the game Call of Duty : Source.
2012-09-22 14:09:38
CS:GO will fail.
2012-09-22 17:07:50
kidding ?
fail with all this tournments and money ?
2012-09-28 14:00:47
He's a obvious fail troll.
2012-09-29 12:30:55
valve dosn't care about the community dosn't care about viewers dosn't care about spectators all they care is about their market and business valve non of these care!!!!

so stop asking about 1.6 community.
2012-09-24 08:26:18
Valve = company.

I'm sure they listened to the community, otherwise they wouldn't have made changes and wouldn't have brought out a beta version for people to try.

I'm a 1.6 player myself, played it from 2002-2004 and 2006 up till a few days ago. But honestly : 1.6 is dead. There are hardly any decent clans left to play matches against, no leagues and even publics are sh*te. It's basically zombiemod, jailbreak and lots of servers filled with bots. There's basically a handful of servers left that are actually nice to play on.

About many people like you who blindly stick to 1.6 ( even though many weren't even active during the peeks of 1.6 ), you keep bashing and flaming on topics regarding css and csgo. If you don't like it : stick to the 1.6 threads instead of bashing here.

That Valve thinks about their market and business : of course they do. They have employees they have to pay, the ones that get the profit actually do business for the PROFIT. That's how a COMMERCIAL COMPANY runs.

Great interview, though the part about 1.6 not being tactical : without tactics even the best aimer in 1.6 would have a hard time, with all the wallbang spots.

Though 1.6 is a great game, it's become outdated. Time to move over to a new game which might be less enjoyable, but still IS enjoyable.





2012-10-10 02:35:12
i didnt say that i dont like GO m just saying about the community GO needs cs and css community in order to make the game popular but as you can see and watch cs-go in not even in top 10 on steam according today there are only some of em play it i try play cs-go yes it is a good game but i dont feel like cs to me i feel like others game so why would i support it i would rather play much more time on dota and dota2 than cs-go yes cs 1.6 is dying in competitive scene but not on public server or local server...
2012-10-10 08:17:52
CS 1.6 4 EVER OKé ?!!
2012-09-29 19:22:12
bullshit about csgo, 1.6 always

Post edited 2012-09-29 19:24:24
2012-09-29 19:23:52
cs:go = bitch
2012-10-01 22:59:14

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