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BZSX accused of cheating
The first Thor Open qualifier came to an end on Friday, with HastaLaVista's victory being overshadowed by accusations that BZSX cheated during the tournament.
BZSX made their way past the likes of AfterShock Crushed, Team X and bemyFRAG before tackling HastaLaVista in the final, which was played on de_train_se.
After losing the first half 15-0, the Swedish team embarked on a sensational recovery and managed to take the match to overtime, which prompted HLV's players to accuse their opponents of cheating.
One of the main issues raised by the teams is that there is no anti-cheating system being used on the servers in which the qualifying matches are being played.
HLV eventually went on to win the match 25-23, but bemyFRAG were not happy with the outcome of their match and put together a clip showing some questionable actions from BZSX's players during the match between the two teams.
What is your opinion about this video? Let us know what you think via the comments box below.
Tags: HastaLaVista, BZSX
shit just got real
2012-10-07 03:22:04
Dont forget that please, https://games4u.se/information/fuskare look #13 and #19 steam ids are from lizard and bendji
2012-10-07 03:24:20
hacker, what the hell, a new game , new cheaters :))
2012-10-07 03:24:54
+1 New game, But already cheats ...
2012-10-07 03:42:37
people who create cheats make big bucks from that
it will not end
it will not end
2012-10-07 03:54:41
your not serious are you?
they tend to make no money, they do it just to spoil the game or to show it can be done.
they tend to make no money, they do it just to spoil the game or to show it can be done.
2012-10-07 03:58:53
totally serious
i know couple russian programmers who made a lot of money from 1.6 cheats
Post edited 2012-10-07 04:02:00
i know couple russian programmers who made a lot of money from 1.6 cheats
Post edited 2012-10-07 04:02:00
2012-10-07 04:01:37
no offence, but sources or gtfo :)
2012-10-07 04:04:55
I know some people who worked for EAC and Organner at the same time. That guy earned a months salary in a week :)
2012-10-07 04:40:59
Rofl no u dont. Xliqz is only guy who codes eac and he is not working with orgranner
2012-10-07 18:24:28
no idea who is organner but xliqz^ made his own cheats back in the day before eac and not sure if he still does so. Ive got old xliqz ssc2.41 timer on my pc somewhere still :D I can admit that and I'm waiting for flaming. Used it against hackers back in the day at times.
2012-10-07 19:08:13
yeah but he never did cheats to his own AC thats plain retarded
2012-10-07 20:55:22
well I cannot be sure but yeah I have heard that he did cheats to his own AC.. Sold them and blocked them after a while.. then made new ones. but that might just be a rumor.
2012-10-08 02:59:21
Yea its prolly a rumor by lurppis since he doesnt know crap about coding.
First of all, xliqz doesnt do cheats to his own AC its plain retarded.
a) He is trying to maintain as good reputation as an AC can have so it will spread more and he can make more money out of it.(obviously) The first few years coding EAC he didnt charge at all for the service.
b) From a coding point of view: If he wanted someone to cheat on EAC he could just block EAC from alarming on that steam_id. He doesnt need to create "private hax" for it .But he doesnt do this either. Cause its conflicting with a) and its plain retarded to
Because xliqz made cheats before, was he able to make a better ANTICHEAT cause he knows how typical cheats work. Rumors like him selling cheats to his own AC are started by retarded people like lurppis who just play CS for 12years and have no clue about how a computer software or hardware works
First of all, xliqz doesnt do cheats to his own AC its plain retarded.
a) He is trying to maintain as good reputation as an AC can have so it will spread more and he can make more money out of it.(obviously) The first few years coding EAC he didnt charge at all for the service.
b) From a coding point of view: If he wanted someone to cheat on EAC he could just block EAC from alarming on that steam_id. He doesnt need to create "private hax" for it .But he doesnt do this either. Cause its conflicting with a) and its plain retarded to
Because xliqz made cheats before, was he able to make a better ANTICHEAT cause he knows how typical cheats work. Rumors like him selling cheats to his own AC are started by retarded people like lurppis who just play CS for 12years and have no clue about how a computer software or hardware works
2012-10-08 07:44:07
well I was not talking about lurppis. its a very well known rumor. Either way I think its retarded too but well, we will never know for sure though it seems retarded.
2012-10-08 14:27:07
in argentina also you can buy cheats for sXe injected (worst anticheat ever)and people make cash from that
2012-10-07 04:45:33
There's a fuckload of cheaters out there, a lot of them willing to spend a lot of money for undetected anticheat proof cheats.
2012-10-07 07:10:28
it's a well known facts all the best cheats are "private" which means some guy who likely works with the anti-cheats as well codes the cheat so it's undetectable for say a month and you have to pay a lot of money for it
2012-10-07 14:26:18
Private cheat means some coder makes the cheat but doesnt release it to public. It surely doesnt refer to him making ac as well. And thats the most stupid thing ive heard that the same person making AC would also do cheats to the same AC simultaneously. If you are referring to xliqz he has definitly not ever made cheats to his own AC.
2012-10-07 18:32:10
its a well known fact? not if you dont cheat it isnt...
2012-10-11 17:53:43
ah i must be a cheater then, got it
2012-10-11 18:04:16
well atleast i know Organners.pl made alot of money from it..
2012-10-07 17:33:16
dude the good cheats are the ones you paid for, not google random crap that even esl wire can detect.
2012-10-07 04:01:49
Clearly cheat...
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2012-10-07 03:27:58
steel had some trouble keeping his cool there :D they were clearly cheating.
Camoon guys, nonames with a fake flag suddenly going Neo after 0-15. Obvious
EDIT: lol this is not from the final on train where they were even more obvious
Post edited 2012-10-07 03:41:04
Camoon guys, nonames with a fake flag suddenly going Neo after 0-15. Obvious
EDIT: lol this is not from the final on train where they were even more obvious
Post edited 2012-10-07 03:41:04
2012-10-07 03:36:14
so, are they gonna overturn their matches and replay the games
2012-10-07 03:38:08
someone should replay 7TdF's again too.
2012-10-07 16:33:35
I think I would need cheats to understand that game too.
No, but... seriously. Yeah, they don't seem clean.
No, but... seriously. Yeah, they don't seem clean.
2012-10-07 03:38:29
Not cheating, GAME was very BUGGED.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heT_mp73apk
Watch that, and watch the game.
The finals have to be replayed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heT_mp73apk
Watch that, and watch the game.
The finals have to be replayed!
2012-10-07 03:41:13
almost!
2012-10-07 03:43:54
this bug happened in the finals, tho dunno if anyone was cheating.
the hitbox bug made CT win, all AWP shots that were off hitted..
no headshots where shot by CT's that whole game? isn't that strange?
http://www.twitch.tv/esplanet/b/334673428
watch from 2h53mins and you will see the bug happening on all the CT shooting.
the hitbox bug made CT win, all AWP shots that were off hitted..
no headshots where shot by CT's that whole game? isn't that strange?
http://www.twitch.tv/esplanet/b/334673428
watch from 2h53mins and you will see the bug happening on all the CT shooting.
2012-10-07 04:25:36
LoL no headshots
2012-10-07 04:48:02
this video doesn't prove anything since you can't even see what's going on because it is made with a demo smokebug... totally worthless... you can't just go to the action's tick because it will create this kind of bug, you have to wait till the previous round ends.
2012-10-07 03:45:00
I think it's cheating. The sad thing is that the game is pretty much new, and cheats are already here.
2012-10-07 03:47:01
We are not the only team who said they are cheating the whole tournament, talk with rdl&co for example, with HastaLaVista...
They have 2 of their members banned there, not only one: https://games4u.se/information/fuskare
At irc ppl who didnt played the event or not against them talked with us to say they are known cheaters in Sweden at css...
Post edited 2012-10-07 03:50:36
They have 2 of their members banned there, not only one: https://games4u.se/information/fuskare
At irc ppl who didnt played the event or not against them talked with us to say they are known cheaters in Sweden at css...
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2012-10-07 03:50:09
They are not cheating, every shot in that video has a logical explanation. After watching it, there's only one thing i can say: the spanish players must be really shitty.
2012-10-07 03:51:32
You didn't see the final match? Every team who faced them accused them of cheating so your hate towards spanish doesn't really work here
2012-10-07 03:54:44
Actually HastaLavista played just very stupid as T side in the final. They never looked at sides, and that guy from BZSX just killed them in the back in every round from one and same position. And if you seen the final, you could observe that BZSX wins their rounds only from CT side, just like HastaLavista did. I didn't protect them, just try to say that both teams are shit, and both of them will nothing to do at the LAN finals.
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Post edited 2012-10-07 05:20:45
2012-10-07 05:11:19
#27 Then all the braket of BZSX are shitty teams, funny.
2012-10-07 03:53:39
you can use the reply button dude, that way the person will know that you replyed
2012-10-07 03:54:49
Hahaha haters gonna hate :>
Video doesn't prove shit, also as someone posted the recoil is bugged within the demo. Watch everyones demo and you'll find nothing
Video doesn't prove shit, also as someone posted the recoil is bugged within the demo. Watch everyones demo and you'll find nothing
2012-10-07 03:54:07
Please stop yourself. In the clip with snokz you can easily cheating. He ducks down to see where they are, cause the wallhack cant do it through smoke. So duck so there is the "walL" so he can see where they are and then bang.
I dont know if you were cheating. But Im sure about snokz and i also think some of your teammates did.
We won over you and we could easily feel that some of your teammates cheated, because of how you played the sitautions and so on.
But I think the admins got enough material, to show it tomorrow :)
I dont know if you were cheating. But Im sure about snokz and i also think some of your teammates did.
We won over you and we could easily feel that some of your teammates cheated, because of how you played the sitautions and so on.
But I think the admins got enough material, to show it tomorrow :)
2012-10-07 03:58:29
Lold. If we were cheating, we wouldn't lost obviously, and you were as bad as us as T. Just sad you played almost draw to a mix. GGCU
2012-10-07 04:01:14
Of course you couldn't win the final, it would have been too obvious. You cheated to get some hype. It was hilarious to watch how smokes or flashes didn't do shit on snok :D
2012-10-07 04:12:14
We owned you at CT, cause as T you didnt knew what to do with your wallhack. Cause you dont have "IQ" or brain in the game. Then you get CT, you only need to hold a spot and then you can use your hacks better. Thats why you were shit at T and good as CT.
You wouldnt get 1 round if your team mates havent cheated. Looking forward till tomorrow when Fragbite/THOROPEN got the demos ready.
You wouldnt get 1 round if your team mates havent cheated. Looking forward till tomorrow when Fragbite/THOROPEN got the demos ready.
2012-10-07 04:23:44
U just owned him, btw congrats for the win and u shouldn't take those guys seriously who came with some lame excuses like #84 said, because 80% of the viewers clearly see what happened there! At least "16 bit" thing came in my mind first after these shots in smoke.
They're just mad, cuz their lost even with cheats.
GL in future.
They're just mad, cuz their lost even with cheats.
GL in future.
2012-10-07 11:13:39
Gotta high-five you sir, cant win even without walls! :D Guess that's some sort achievement.
2012-10-07 16:10:59
#28 My point was that the uploaders of the video clearly thinks those shots arent by the book, but just by watching it, and listening to the sounds, it looks just like any other game; BY THE BOOK.
And this applies to all who agrees with the uploaders.
And this applies to all who agrees with the uploaders.
2012-10-07 03:55:36
you can use the reply button dude, that way the person will know that you replyed
2012-10-07 03:59:36
Well some actions yes, i'm with you but if the only thing you heard of them is "They are cheaters", when all teams on IRC are crying about that, suspicious.
If we have a chance to get more demos of them you can see how they react when we have bomb planted and diferent situations they know exactly what they need to do, always.
Post edited 2012-10-07 04:03:11
If we have a chance to get more demos of them you can see how they react when we have bomb planted and diferent situations they know exactly what they need to do, always.
Post edited 2012-10-07 04:03:11
2012-10-07 04:02:21
honestly i dont fucking understand how valve cant fix a proper anticheat when they release a new game in a genre which is FAMOUS for its big amount of cheaters. its scandalous really. one of the big things that destroyed CS 1.6 throughout the years was the endless amount of cheaters. you'd think they'd update VAC after all this time, especially with a new game and all that they want to be sucessful, but no, they just dont give a shit.
not sure why im so upset seeing as i dont even play CS anymore but i guess someone has to speak up. feeling sad for the people that are still playing and get to suffer through stuff like this in a real tournament....
not sure why im so upset seeing as i dont even play CS anymore but i guess someone has to speak up. feeling sad for the people that are still playing and get to suffer through stuff like this in a real tournament....
2012-10-07 03:57:39
You don't know anything about cheats, programming, and making an anti-cheat so please just shut up.
2012-10-07 10:42:05
so? thats not relevant. if you're trying to get one of your games big in esports you need to have a WORKING anti-cheat, no matter what it takes to get there, end of story.
2012-10-07 15:39:54
That´s like saying software developers are incapable of making a software that can´t be cracked.
2012-10-07 16:11:42
AHAHAH 43 rounds straight won as CT, 0 to T
2012-10-07 03:58:45
because of the hitbox bug.. still no one gets it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heT_mp73apk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heT_mp73apk
2012-10-07 04:06:07
lol wtf
2012-10-07 04:09:15
Play new version of CS they said ... there will be no cheaters they said.
2012-10-07 04:02:04
No one said that.
There will be cheaters in every game.
There will be cheaters in every game.
2012-10-07 04:05:24
Valve will make the game better and better they said...
2012-10-07 04:16:20
There will be no hitbox bugs like CSS had (even after years) they said...
2012-10-07 06:04:25
if you watched the finals of the qualifiers, you'll know. pretty obvious
2012-10-07 04:04:48
This game it's still bad i better like to play mix in cs 1.6 than play this couple of sh1t things what making game horrible, cs 1.6 = clean rivalry and play, GO = dirty cs source with couple of shit. I think after cs 1.6 dies many peoples better like to play LoL and they doing it than play cs:go, they better like to play sometime 1.6 and LoL than cs:go, like before when they playing only 1.6, thats my opinion
2012-10-07 04:07:44
this really doesnt look like cheating to me....let us not forget the dumb enemy indicators that pop up over your crosshair when pointed at an enemy. also, he spots the enemies in some of the clips beforehand. kinda dumb to post this without a legit and objective look
2012-10-07 04:09:30
Couldn't see anything that unusual to say with 100% certain that that he was cheating...
What I saw on this video was normal...
Post edited 2012-10-07 04:10:15
What I saw on this video was normal...
Post edited 2012-10-07 04:10:15
2012-10-07 04:09:57
this video doesn't really show much, i don't even know what half the clips are trying to show.. most of it seems normal and only 2 clips max might be considered a little strange
2012-10-07 04:13:33
most of it seems normal to you spike.nowalls - nj0ck.exe user.
2012-10-07 13:21:42
haha :D
2012-10-07 19:21:21
cs:go strooooonk we have our first cheaters!!
btw... haters gonna hate
Post edited 2012-10-07 04:34:20
btw... haters gonna hate
Post edited 2012-10-07 04:34:20
2012-10-07 04:33:11
I don't see any substancial proof of wallhacking here. HLV might just be jealous of getting OT after 15-0. Mad HLV are MAD
2012-10-07 04:33:28
This video shows proof alright. Proof that whoever did the video was just trying to find any reason to make someone look suspect. I did not watch the game, etc. But if this video is going to be presented as supposed "evidence", best of luck trying to prove it. That last clip alone made me chuckle, seeing as 2 team mates had died and that shows on the radar. -_-
If they truly were cheating, I hope that something happens and proper actions get taken. Then again, to let those who tried smearing another team / player free without punishment does not seem fair if proven innocent. In the eSports world, a reputation matters. If they truly are cheaters, treat them as such. If they are not, I see nothing wrong with an apology to those involved.
If they truly were cheating, I hope that something happens and proper actions get taken. Then again, to let those who tried smearing another team / player free without punishment does not seem fair if proven innocent. In the eSports world, a reputation matters. If they truly are cheaters, treat them as such. If they are not, I see nothing wrong with an apology to those involved.
2012-10-07 04:52:53
tbh with you , none of this looks dodgey at all haha a site , guy knew 1 was close shot him heard the other guy plant only 1 place the guy cud plant on left side shot him and the lucky smoke shot.
2012-10-07 05:33:44
with no way to prove it, doesn't matter if anyone was cheating, does it? anticheats were gonna have to be made anyway, this is just a reminder.
2012-10-07 05:41:47
look at the way the models move...they dont walk or run they are jst dragged :|
2012-10-07 05:55:51
This video provided here isn't definitive, but honestly I do believe that they we're hacking.. I watched them against bemyfrag and HLV and in both of those matches there was some really fishy play from the BZSX players.
In the final against HLV virtually everyone in the stream chat knew it was happening; as did the commentators..
In the final against HLV virtually everyone in the stream chat knew it was happening; as did the commentators..
2012-10-07 06:10:18
link to haks ne 1..?
2012-10-07 06:57:26
sad...
2012-10-07 09:06:45
Of course there are cheaters already.. Since the beta.. And charged cheats have already provided versions.. Clip is too fucked up to be able to say something.. and with that stupid radar it seems to be hard to say, but there is some really weird stuff in here.. Anyway, shitty game. And regarding the cheat matter, valve will do what they do best, like they did on 1.6 and source : nothing. Many cheat creators are people who created the game itself... Or like some people of EAC who also work with organner. This shit is endless, it's like antivirus firms who create virus so that people keep buying new antivirus.
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2012-10-07 10:20:24
nice smoke actions....
for me this is cheat...
for me this is cheat...
2012-10-07 10:53:57
without a shadow of a doubt, these guys were cheating.... Anyone who says they wern't quite clearly doesn't have a fucking clue about the game.
NO bug in the game can explain what happened here, the smoke bug happens when people grenade into the smoke and even then it wouldn't show half the people seen in this clip...
I could understand more if he was standing in the smokes and shooting around them, because there is substantial issues with that at the moment imo, but this guy isn't hes just looking at people straight through walls with peripheral vision.
THREAD CLOSED BAN PLZ.
NO bug in the game can explain what happened here, the smoke bug happens when people grenade into the smoke and even then it wouldn't show half the people seen in this clip...
I could understand more if he was standing in the smokes and shooting around them, because there is substantial issues with that at the moment imo, but this guy isn't hes just looking at people straight through walls with peripheral vision.
THREAD CLOSED BAN PLZ.
2012-10-07 11:06:53
What's wrong because i don't see nothing. Only idiot can say they cheat n.c Come to LAN Hasta ;) With smoke bug demo this movie is piece of crap not any proof
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2012-10-07 11:19:09
well he is a cheater 4 me
2012-10-07 11:33:40
Doesn't look particularly dodgy, you could make a video with wireframe of any of the guys and it would look dodgy. If anything he doesn't have smoke, but again can't be confirmed.
2012-10-07 11:34:29
In the smoke,the name was showed in the middle,cant say it is cheat.
3:00, the tr showed his body first,cant say he cheat too.
Post edited 2012-10-07 11:40:56
3:00, the tr showed his body first,cant say he cheat too.
Post edited 2012-10-07 11:40:56
2012-10-07 11:40:23
Congratulations, you just created the worst bustmovie ever.
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2012-10-07 11:41:07
lol couldnt even complete watching the 4 mins, its so boring to watch
2012-10-07 11:46:46
this is not enough, isn't there something like POV demo in cs:go?
2012-10-07 12:05:57
LOL , ofc it is
2012-10-07 12:19:14
andddddddddd did bzsx record demos during the game?
2012-10-07 12:26:04
kthxbye cheaters, go way.
2012-10-07 12:23:04
from this movie cant say they are cheating ...
2012-10-07 12:34:18
Are you shitting me? Is this "the proof"
Wow, half of the frags are people shooting at him through smokes. Anyone with knowledge can register where the bullets are comming from.
Aswell as two of these "pre-aims" are peaks from stupid terrorists who decide to re-peak after two seconds
And you say lizard and bendjii has been banned for cheating. there is not one single scene of them in this "bust".
Post edited 2012-10-07 12:48:21
Wow, half of the frags are people shooting at him through smokes. Anyone with knowledge can register where the bullets are comming from.
Aswell as two of these "pre-aims" are peaks from stupid terrorists who decide to re-peak after two seconds
And you say lizard and bendjii has been banned for cheating. there is not one single scene of them in this "bust".
Post edited 2012-10-07 12:48:21
2012-10-07 12:38:43
I watched the final match it's obviously cheat but this movie. OMG this movie worst cheat movie ever
2012-10-07 12:55:38
FU**** GAME and FU**** PLAYERS
2012-10-07 12:56:45
ahahahaha daT autosniper
2012-10-07 12:58:41
This is not clear piece of evidence since demos are bugged (smoke to be precise), sound is bugged aswell (big factor)... so i think that this isnt cheat.Btw 1:16 , i'm kida confused, but i think that it's smokebug again...
2012-10-07 13:00:31
This bustmovie fucking sucks, doesn't prove a thing.
The final was a diffirent thing, there they were pretty obv.
The final was a diffirent thing, there they were pretty obv.
2012-10-07 13:02:06
And pimp, you're not the right one to accuse someone of cheating, get a life.
2012-10-07 13:02:26
video is just horrible
2012-10-07 13:04:32
i was in atoc and we lost vs twista AKA one guy called puvalinen or something like that who cheated hard as fuck but noone cares about that..
gg
gg
2012-10-07 13:07:41
You guys lost versus CARAMBA, the second best team in Finland..
nasu, twista, spikeone, shatte, essej
nasu, twista, spikeone, shatte, essej
2012-10-07 16:09:32
bullshit
they were fucking horrible FYI and im barely good at this game in comparison to some 'top players'
plus we were a mix and we got like 8 rounds in them
Post edited 2012-10-07 21:15:36
they were fucking horrible FYI and im barely good at this game in comparison to some 'top players'
plus we were a mix and we got like 8 rounds in them
Post edited 2012-10-07 21:15:36
2012-10-07 21:14:56
you are not even barely good sry :(
2012-10-07 21:58:41
they are enough good bro =) believe me but twista and spikeone have played their best days years ago x)
Post edited 2012-10-10 21:33:06
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2012-10-10 21:32:54
dosent matter you know how bad i am and i still got 5 rounds into them with a mix :/
i think they even practiced for awhile before that and if i would've done the same with a pre-team then it would have went way better
saatana perkele is all i can say
i think they even practiced for awhile before that and if i would've done the same with a pre-team then it would have went way better
saatana perkele is all i can say
2012-10-10 22:38:37
low game..
2012-10-07 13:12:49
i don't know if he's cheating, but FOR SURE the last frag don't mean nothing, that was warmup?
bah, btw sure other actions are weird
bah, btw sure other actions are weird
2012-10-07 13:34:10
cheateeer!
2012-10-07 13:36:59
the only reason why BSXZ came to the final was because they had the easiest way there, all the good teams were at the lower side of the bracket.
2012-10-07 13:42:12
Let them stream. I would like to see their skills there.
2012-10-07 13:53:18
hahaha watched the whole video, do they even lift?
2012-10-07 13:54:47
nothing looked overly sus in this video except the second frag tbh.
2012-10-07 14:15:59
Didn't really surprise me to be honest when I saw who played for this team that got caught. As far as I know BENDJI and lizard have been caught cheating multiple times at different communities, even tried to make new accounts but got caught. They have been accused of cheating in the Swedish online CS:S scene multiple times and they have never ever been on any LAN tournament or played LAN, only time you'll find them playing either CS:S or :GO is online.
2012-10-07 14:36:32
haha fuck csgo... just cheaters
2012-10-07 14:53:27
Yeah, because cheating NEVER happend in 1.6 or Source.
2012-10-07 15:35:14
i dont remember even ONE case of accusation of cheating in 1.6! NOT EVEN OOOONNNEEE CASE!!!!!
2012-10-07 15:47:21
so you play in cs 1.6 1 month?
kuben, colon, easy i dont remember others
Post edited 2012-10-07 16:03:53
kuben, colon, easy i dont remember others
Post edited 2012-10-07 16:03:53
2012-10-07 16:03:09
sup v3d1m4k
2012-10-07 16:54:52
Cheater 4sho.
2012-10-07 15:17:45
The only weird scene in that video is the one on A bombsite, where hes shooting from CT ramp with automatic sniper.. Rest of the scenes are just useless.
2012-10-07 15:43:43
Some retard is cheating in a game and you guys are turning this in to a hate cs:go thread? really? i mean really? not all of you can be that retarded.
2012-10-07 15:48:14
oh yes they can, this is hltv.org
2012-10-07 16:13:30
forget about this video. You should have recorded how players played before they started winning and then compare how theyr playing style and skills changed.
2012-10-07 16:17:37
http://www.esl.eu/eu/csgo/go4csgo/cup_14/match/270..
This is their result today at esl go4csgo cup 14
This is their result today at esl go4csgo cup 14
2012-10-07 16:18:35
hmm seems fishy losing as soon as wire is on
2012-10-07 16:19:05
Sadly this game will be full od cheaters, because it's easy as fuck.
2012-10-07 16:48:38
PLEASE READ: The reason you see so many shots through smoke is because those smokes didn't really exist in the game. If you watched the real game, or the demo without skipping, you would see that they are not hacking through smokes, but in fact they can clearly see the terrorist's because there IS NO SMOKE. The reason you see smokes in these videos is because they fast forwarded the game demo and there is a bug in demos that causes smoke to display when it should have already dissipated.
2012-10-07 17:15:45
You're right.
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Post edited 2012-10-07 17:47:10
2012-10-07 17:46:26
Thanks. I'm actually pretty outraged at all of this. What everyone is seeing in this video isn't what's really going on. I watched them play live on Twitch and watched the .dem file they posted and I saw no clear evidence of hacking. All I saw was a bunch of people jumping on the 'they're hacking' bandwagon because it was easy to do the way the last game went and these phony videos. But Hastalavista had more amazing "hack-like" shots in that game than BZSX.. yet everyone was pointing to BZSX because that's where everyone's eyes were at on that game. I don't think anyone hacked tbh
2012-10-07 18:34:43
Im watching the vod of the final. It doesnt look THAT obvious, as you all are saying...
Theres so many scenes where the autosniper guy from BZSX is just aiming and seeing the enemy just before getting flashed and he gets the kill by just shooting... And the commentator and HLV are thinking its an "obvious hack".
BZSX did play bad as T, but so did HLV... Both held their positions well as CT.
Theres so many scenes where the autosniper guy from BZSX is just aiming and seeing the enemy just before getting flashed and he gets the kill by just shooting... And the commentator and HLV are thinking its an "obvious hack".
BZSX did play bad as T, but so did HLV... Both held their positions well as CT.
2012-10-07 17:25:36
I agree, both teams played shit as T
only one round in the entire game was won as T maybe that says something?
Wouldn't the situation be the same if BDZX started CT and got 15-0 then lost 15 rounds in a row?
If they toggled cheats after 0-15 they could aswell win the OT's as Terrorists. But nope they dominated CT which aint that hard to believe
And HLV arent really top players either
only one round in the entire game was won as T maybe that says something?
Wouldn't the situation be the same if BDZX started CT and got 15-0 then lost 15 rounds in a row?
If they toggled cheats after 0-15 they could aswell win the OT's as Terrorists. But nope they dominated CT which aint that hard to believe
And HLV arent really top players either
2012-10-07 17:48:41
ye, seeing through smokes... this guy really has this 6th sense
2012-10-07 17:53:18
"One of the main issues raised by the teams is that there is no anti-cheating system being used on the servers in which the qualifying matches are being played."
Right now they can do nothing.
Right now they can do nothing.
2012-10-07 17:48:27
it does look like cheating
2012-10-07 17:52:53
That video proves nothing, the fist kill you see the guys elbow clearly thats why he got shot and the others were in the same manner, the most sucpsious was the one where sznoks shot the guy through smoke under the balcony but he saw the red text showing that there was an enemy there somewhere and started shooting, that is a flaw in the game not cheating.
2012-10-07 18:28:47
i guess the guys who say he is clean cheated to much as well to see the difference :D
2012-10-07 19:22:40
n00b tried to get famous by cheating on a new sucking game, oh loser try again later
2012-10-07 20:19:40
cs go dying :DDDD low game with cheaters
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Post edited 2012-10-07 21:09:34
2012-10-07 21:01:21
lol, qualifer without anticheat system? great!! noob organisation, they deserve this :)
2012-10-07 21:08:46
this game is so bad, that the guy is being accused because he wallbanged and got one single shot
2012-10-07 21:21:34
maybe they cheated but.. bemyfrag for sure played horrible second half lol, 15-0 doesnt mean you're the best and you won the game already, game isnt over, like you scored 15-0 why ur enemy cannot do the same? lot of matches shit happens. everyone knows, even with wh, its not easy at all to win vs a good team, you need brain, aim, skill, teamplay. think about that lol, every demo can look suspicious with wh, why dont u guys upload ur demos with wh? maybe we find something suspicious also, aiming through the walls, oneshots.. etc etc and it will not mean you used cheats.
you guys are like TV, you only show us what you want us to believe. upload avi with the full demo and maybe we can give a decent opinion.
Post edited 2012-10-07 22:06:01
you guys are like TV, you only show us what you want us to believe. upload avi with the full demo and maybe we can give a decent opinion.
Post edited 2012-10-07 22:06:01
2012-10-07 21:56:20
I watched this team play two full matches and I saw some wierd stuff. I am no sherlock holmes, but by the time the 2nd half of this game was happening I had called on a few ppl in my vent to watch the stream and see what they thought (as I know every person sees something different or new and one person's developed bias (in this case mine) could influence the way they percieve further play). There was one person who was pretty split on the issue, the other 3 or 4 thought there was def something odd happening.. Here are some of the points that we remembered specifically being awkward or that I re-stumbled upon whilst skipping through the stream afterwards.
Also it's important to note that I don't base my opinion solely on the fact that this match was a solid 15-0 comeback (in fact that had pretty little to do with it.) The manner in which they played throughout their matches just kept piling on alot of viewers' suspiciousness.
NOTE!!
None of this am I claiming is fully (or at all, even!) conclusive for a few reasons:
a. THIS IS NOT A DEMO WITH WIREFRAME, ITS A STREAM!
b. ALL OF THE FOLLOWING IS SOLELY FROM THE FINAL VS HLV! (some ppl were calling cheats for stuff they did in their previous matches).
c. TALK OF DIFFERENCES IN SPEC VIEW AS OPPOSED TO THE PLAYERS' CAMS DUE TO GLITCHES (?).
NOTE!!
http://www.twitch.tv/esplanet/b/334673428
3:10:10 (this is a part I re-watched because alot of ppl in stream chat called cheats for it, though after reviewing I personally don't think its at all odd)
^ quite a few people in stream chat mistakenly thought snokz was at ivy and prefired this awper t-conn with an auto, but as you can see afterwards snokz IN FACT killed him from Z (lizardp was the one at ivy). The reason I think ppl thought it was snokz at ivy is because you can see sparks on the end of train as soon pimp peaks out towards that direction (I just assume lizardp was shooting towards t-conn because snokz caught a glimpse of the awper before he could finish him off, thus posting him on the minimap. Nothing too unusual here IMO)
3:10:40 (a friend in vent made me note this as he saw some awkwardness in how snokz was moving around at ivy almost in correlation with the terrorist's movements)
^ after snokz gets the easy pick from Z, lizardp dies at ivy, and snokz proceeds to move to cover it. Lingering at the back of train he zooms at ivy right as the enemy is about to peek (check mini) then just lingers around for a bit and gets the pick as nille quick peaks. (again: nothing conclusive)
* 3:13:17 *
^ as nille calls GG waver proceeds to 3v1 clutch, knows 100% where last guy is (I personally, didn't catch waver or his teammates getting a glimpse at this player, so I found this somewhat awkward. Would like to see this on demo..)
3:18:05 (AGAIN: I personally didn't find this fishy at all, but as you can hear the commentators did and by this point in the match the chat was going crazy with cheating accusations.)
^ waver is moving from Z conn to ivy and turns around as nille quickly rotates from ivy after being seen there, waver sets up in ladder and waits (note that waver was playing B and as bomb was down ivy it was logical for him to rotate, what some ppl in chat found fishy was that he set up in ladder shortly after having seen nille at ivy and positions himself perfectly in time for nille as he comes down "take a look at the minimap as nille is walking towards ladder". But again: no cheats here, IMO)
* 3:18:55 * (smoke glitch?)
^ BENDJI kills one through smoke at lower and proceeds to damage another one coming down through TWO smokes (NOTE!!! you can see a grenade explode at the back of the first smoke just as this is about to happen, which could very well have triggered the smoke glitch allowing BENDJI to see through it)
3:20:00 - 3:20:15 (extremely inconclusive, and possibly just random. only included this because the commentators saw something that we can't through the stream)
^ BENDJI apparently kills someone whilst possibly flashed. You can hear the flash pop before he kills him but the camera is on another player, the commentators joke about how BENDJI was flashed. (he then cleans up 2v1 and gets the round with some justifiable play)
3:21:06+
^ lizardp gets a legit kill at ivy without seeing the 2nd player, then does this quick peak and prefires directly at an awper (through the sandbags?) but gets dropped. and as you can see cajunb with the: "god, this is obvious" in chat.
^ (inconclusive) right after this (about 3 seconds) the commentator is literally baffled by something that we can't see snokz pull. from this point on the commentators are pretty consistently talking about the seemingly blatant play from BZSX and most of HLV's players are on the wagon as well.
This is where the OT starts.. some more awkward situations, but as you know HLV ends up winning. At this point in the game I felt as if the player's attitudes toward this joke of a match were actually influencing the way they played: it was just random.. If you really want to have an opinion on whether this team cheated or not: I personally think you should view more than one of their matches in it's entirety. If they DO cheat, they do it somewhat well.
Some of these are points I added because people in vent noted them based on what they saw or how the lot of people in stream chat reacted, a few of these I actually refute the cheating claims: I am speculating based on how I percieved it, please watch and if I missed anything that might have caused me to misjudge a situation please post! I honestly tried to call it as I see it, I have nothing against this team!! I just think that IF they were in fact hacking: there needs to be some sort of justice because some legit teams obviously got wronged :/
Post edited 2012-10-07 22:07:00
Also it's important to note that I don't base my opinion solely on the fact that this match was a solid 15-0 comeback (in fact that had pretty little to do with it.) The manner in which they played throughout their matches just kept piling on alot of viewers' suspiciousness.
NOTE!!
None of this am I claiming is fully (or at all, even!) conclusive for a few reasons:
a. THIS IS NOT A DEMO WITH WIREFRAME, ITS A STREAM!
b. ALL OF THE FOLLOWING IS SOLELY FROM THE FINAL VS HLV! (some ppl were calling cheats for stuff they did in their previous matches).
c. TALK OF DIFFERENCES IN SPEC VIEW AS OPPOSED TO THE PLAYERS' CAMS DUE TO GLITCHES (?).
NOTE!!
http://www.twitch.tv/esplanet/b/334673428
3:10:10 (this is a part I re-watched because alot of ppl in stream chat called cheats for it, though after reviewing I personally don't think its at all odd)
^ quite a few people in stream chat mistakenly thought snokz was at ivy and prefired this awper t-conn with an auto, but as you can see afterwards snokz IN FACT killed him from Z (lizardp was the one at ivy). The reason I think ppl thought it was snokz at ivy is because you can see sparks on the end of train as soon pimp peaks out towards that direction (I just assume lizardp was shooting towards t-conn because snokz caught a glimpse of the awper before he could finish him off, thus posting him on the minimap. Nothing too unusual here IMO)
3:10:40 (a friend in vent made me note this as he saw some awkwardness in how snokz was moving around at ivy almost in correlation with the terrorist's movements)
^ after snokz gets the easy pick from Z, lizardp dies at ivy, and snokz proceeds to move to cover it. Lingering at the back of train he zooms at ivy right as the enemy is about to peek (check mini) then just lingers around for a bit and gets the pick as nille quick peaks. (again: nothing conclusive)
* 3:13:17 *
^ as nille calls GG waver proceeds to 3v1 clutch, knows 100% where last guy is (I personally, didn't catch waver or his teammates getting a glimpse at this player, so I found this somewhat awkward. Would like to see this on demo..)
3:18:05 (AGAIN: I personally didn't find this fishy at all, but as you can hear the commentators did and by this point in the match the chat was going crazy with cheating accusations.)
^ waver is moving from Z conn to ivy and turns around as nille quickly rotates from ivy after being seen there, waver sets up in ladder and waits (note that waver was playing B and as bomb was down ivy it was logical for him to rotate, what some ppl in chat found fishy was that he set up in ladder shortly after having seen nille at ivy and positions himself perfectly in time for nille as he comes down "take a look at the minimap as nille is walking towards ladder". But again: no cheats here, IMO)
* 3:18:55 * (smoke glitch?)
^ BENDJI kills one through smoke at lower and proceeds to damage another one coming down through TWO smokes (NOTE!!! you can see a grenade explode at the back of the first smoke just as this is about to happen, which could very well have triggered the smoke glitch allowing BENDJI to see through it)
3:20:00 - 3:20:15 (extremely inconclusive, and possibly just random. only included this because the commentators saw something that we can't through the stream)
^ BENDJI apparently kills someone whilst possibly flashed. You can hear the flash pop before he kills him but the camera is on another player, the commentators joke about how BENDJI was flashed. (he then cleans up 2v1 and gets the round with some justifiable play)
3:21:06+
^ lizardp gets a legit kill at ivy without seeing the 2nd player, then does this quick peak and prefires directly at an awper (through the sandbags?) but gets dropped. and as you can see cajunb with the: "god, this is obvious" in chat.
^ (inconclusive) right after this (about 3 seconds) the commentator is literally baffled by something that we can't see snokz pull. from this point on the commentators are pretty consistently talking about the seemingly blatant play from BZSX and most of HLV's players are on the wagon as well.
This is where the OT starts.. some more awkward situations, but as you know HLV ends up winning. At this point in the game I felt as if the player's attitudes toward this joke of a match were actually influencing the way they played: it was just random.. If you really want to have an opinion on whether this team cheated or not: I personally think you should view more than one of their matches in it's entirety. If they DO cheat, they do it somewhat well.
Some of these are points I added because people in vent noted them based on what they saw or how the lot of people in stream chat reacted, a few of these I actually refute the cheating claims: I am speculating based on how I percieved it, please watch and if I missed anything that might have caused me to misjudge a situation please post! I honestly tried to call it as I see it, I have nothing against this team!! I just think that IF they were in fact hacking: there needs to be some sort of justice because some legit teams obviously got wronged :/
Post edited 2012-10-07 22:07:00
2012-10-07 22:04:51
I didn`t watch that match, but it would be just too obvilious for anyone to try to get out from 0:15 sure loss by using cheats, although suspicion about such result would be just natural.
Why would anyone risk on theyr professional gaming carrieer to use cheats for sake of winning forsaken match? Unless someone to decides to leave it with a blast by cheating openly, but I don`t see any particular and credible cheating moments at video.
Post edited 2012-10-07 22:25:04
Why would anyone risk on theyr professional gaming carrieer to use cheats for sake of winning forsaken match? Unless someone to decides to leave it with a blast by cheating openly, but I don`t see any particular and credible cheating moments at video.
Post edited 2012-10-07 22:25:04
2012-10-07 22:23:57
I have sent the demo to people who wanted it, you can have it to, about the 1v3 clutch, the last guy went out and peaked me, then went behind the train hoping I didnt spot him, if you watch the demo, you will see that.
2012-10-08 00:55:05
waver, you played the finals right? dind't you see this hitbox bug made the game strange?
did u see NO CT ever shot an headshot?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heT_mp73apk&fea..
watch that.. this happened in the finals
did u see NO CT ever shot an headshot?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heT_mp73apk&fea..
watch that.. this happened in the finals
2012-10-08 01:10:35
The commentators really showed how clueless they are about the game LOL... Every second thing was "suspicious"...
2012-10-07 22:52:32
Doesn't look like cheating to me, but who knows. You can always find at least a couple of suspicious rounds of anyone from any match.
2012-10-07 23:42:57
true :) they are crying in the whole video, trust me im spanish understand what are they talking about lol.
always the same in CS scene, if anyone kills you with strange move, wallbang, on stairs, with smoke etcetc.. = cheater, when you kill anyone wallbanging, jumping, however.. = pro.
it is hard to accept a loss when you had the match at 1 round for the win, these type of matches always remind to the loser team to never guard down and the winner to never give up.
that's all
Post edited 2012-10-08 00:11:14
always the same in CS scene, if anyone kills you with strange move, wallbang, on stairs, with smoke etcetc.. = cheater, when you kill anyone wallbanging, jumping, however.. = pro.
it is hard to accept a loss when you had the match at 1 round for the win, these type of matches always remind to the loser team to never guard down and the winner to never give up.
that's all
Post edited 2012-10-08 00:11:14
2012-10-08 00:09:37
This is not a normal loss, if we lose we say gg and go to sleep, play more tomorrow but idk this wasn't normal, all ppl think the same, if you played against them, just rofl they are just "awesome"
2012-10-08 00:15:16
this is not a normal loss? why not? because you lost 15 rounds in a row? they lost 15 rounds in a row also.
maybe they thought the same about you guys first half. "wow this people is awesome" but then you guys guard down. lost important rounds = lose, shit happens, not the first match this happens and will not be the last. video doesn't show anything TBH like #244 said and i said too posts ago, you can find lot of suspicious rounds of anyone from any match. that's simple and that doesn't mean you are cheating.
Post edited 2012-10-08 00:33:56
maybe they thought the same about you guys first half. "wow this people is awesome" but then you guys guard down. lost important rounds = lose, shit happens, not the first match this happens and will not be the last. video doesn't show anything TBH like #244 said and i said too posts ago, you can find lot of suspicious rounds of anyone from any match. that's simple and that doesn't mean you are cheating.
Post edited 2012-10-08 00:33:56
2012-10-08 00:27:34
You are talking about the final match, not ours, you are hearing us with some friends looking the stream of the final match, not comenting our match lol.
2012-10-08 03:40:22
Okay, I want to clarify some things, our team became extremly Cheat Accused because we did not make any hs throughout the whole cthalf, people thought that we had aimkey since the lack of headshots, but I've just checked clearly on the vod from the stream, guess what? When HLV was ct they did not shoot a single headshot, not ONE single headshot, how come? Well, the hitbox was bugged on the server, for those of you who are skeptical about this, here you go.
http://sv.twitch.tv/esplanet/b / 334673428, << - match, it starts at 2:50:00
The hitbox video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v = heT_mp73apk
I do not feel hit by these accusations, but since I know that the others do not cheat, I felt that this was worth pointing out.
http://sv.twitch.tv/esplanet/b / 334673428, << - match, it starts at 2:50:00
The hitbox video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v = heT_mp73apk
I do not feel hit by these accusations, but since I know that the others do not cheat, I felt that this was worth pointing out.
2012-10-08 01:35:03
i think this video is not enough for cheat accusation, instead it shows how dumb the game is ;P
2012-10-08 10:23:19
Everybody this is proof that GO is bad, noone has ever cheated in 1.6 mastergame
2012-10-09 00:00:29
You two last posters ; Why are you even writing on these posts? Clearly you're stuck in 2003 and with 1.6. Go spam the 1.6 players with worthless crap instead, yeah?
2012-10-10 20:54:57
Kind of a dissapointment that already there are cheaters cheating in leagues like this. Puts gamers to shame lol.
2012-10-10 23:55:14
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