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The top two of all time ranked Finnish Counter-Strike player Niko "naSu" Kovanen has returned to WinFakt, replacing Samuel "God" Räsänen as their fifth man in the CS:GO lineup.
Kovanen went inactive almost a year ago at the end of 2011 due to studies not allowing him to travel to events. He returned to relative activity just under a month ago in CARAMBA, but the team was unable to make waves in online cups.
WinFakt placed second in a Go4CS:GO cup losing the grand final against British mousesports, and since then failed to qualify for ESWC as they fell short against former HastaLaVista in the quarter-finals.
Contacted by HLTV.org, team captain Joona "natu" Leppänen said the following:
"He was the best possible player we could get in terms of skill and experience. Almost all of us have played with him at one point or another in CS 1.6 so we knew exactly what we'd get from him. We obviously want to be recognized as the best team in Finland and we wanna rack up some wins in online and LAN tournaments."
According to Leppänen, Räsänen lost motivation towards the game sometime back and while they were hoping it would pass by, they were eventually forced to look for a replacement to avoid the team suffering.
Aleksi "allu" Jalli
Hannu "H^N" Pohjalainen
Niko "naSu" Kovanen
Joona "natu" Leppänen
Timo "reflex" Rintala
WinFakt's next event will be either SLAP Live or ESWC, depending if they can get an invitation for the latter. They're also participating in the CyberGames Invite League.
Just like i don't believe in Santa Clause/Pixies/etc etc, i don't believe in God and devil
666 is just because i like the number. Yes, I know it's theological reference.
Despite you being some washed up never-been, there are still people that look up to you in this community and its not really the best example being set.
Having no outlet for that passive aggression seems to be getting to you champ, and flame baiting on hltv.org isnt the answer. Go play some csgo or have a bat, either way gtfo and stop being ignorant.
my views actually ARE constructive towards a smarter general population. everyone is free to make a conscious choice, just like i have.
you seem to be the one getting mad, i'm just having a laugh at all the people coming out of the wood works to support "god"
Enough said. I'm sure between you and your brother you have almost a full trophy on the mantelpiece.
No i'm atheist too. There's no woodwork here, just a community that you don't seem to understand that you're actually dividing. Please tell me how your 'views' are constructive? Constructive comments generally inspire conversation or progress, rather than argument or division. Please grab a dictionary and sit down with Tmoo and read it. You've done nothing but flamed alot of people that are actually religious. People are definitely free to make a conscious choice, and you've made yours. My point is that the people that have chosen differently don't want to read your point of view.
While you have the dictionary out look up "Bigot". Then check the date. Chop chop.
Stating the unexistence of a deity does not make you intolerant of religious people, just as not believing in evolution does not make you intolerant or aggressive towards atheists or science. That, my sensitive friend, would just make you ignorant.
You just made an ad-hominem comment in response to a perhaps provocative one, this makes you an angry boy (or girl) : (
Implying through public statement that every religious person has the intellectual quotient of a child is definitely ignorant. Lurpiss doesn't seem to understand (or care) that alot of hltv.org users come from countries where religion is culture centric, or more prevalent than atheism. Calling religion a 'fairy tale' is really insulting to so many people, and he still has no idea..hes 'having a laugh'. Pretty much the definition of ignorant, which is (for you uneducated Finnish)
"Ignorant: Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated."
My comments would be ad hominem if they weren't particularly relevant to the conversation. I posed that Lurpiss being burnt toast was the reason he felt required to flame bait was that he was why he wrote what he did. That's speculative.
But that's just my opinion.
I thought you were saying that only people who are young/have low IQ post an opinion like Lurppis' on the forum. I must have misunderstood.
Just like lildeath i wouldn't mind something like that coming from a rude user, but i wouldn't allow such comments to be made by my staff that's for sure!
I already gave the example of yesterday a guy named horuz critisized you guys and the thread was deleted. And he did it in a proper way. ;)
HLTV.org is rubbish. Staff is rubbish. Lurrpis sucks. This discusion sucks.
Freedom of speech, right?
I wish you knew stuff before posting such useless reply.
Please, stop being so full of yourselves.
I mean, i know it's an out of proportion comparison, but if someone in my countries government said something like that about religion they would most likely be sacked in the second, and they would deserve it.
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He's shown his opinion with respect as far as I'm concerned.
And his calling religious people dumb indirectly.
Other than that, he's not insulting anybody directly/indirectly. Unless you could get inside his brain somehow. Relax, fella.
You're being really disrespectful. You might not believe in miracles, but you have no right to belittle those who does.
How old are you anyway? your attitude is childish.
And you really should've told your age to Valve when writing that rage letter. No wonder they didn't take you seriously, you act like a child.
Pardon it was an interview, which makes it even worse. You're bitching in an interview... My god you really are a child.
Don't feel insulted now, this is my opinion I'm expressing granted by freedom of speech okay?
You have absolutely no idea about anything which even remotely relates to both human and non-human existence, let it be terrestrial or not. For your opinion to hold the slightest of weight, it takes much, much more than just being able to read about Dawkins/Hitchens/Hawkins on Wikipedia.
It really is amusing to me how try hard "atheists" seem to pop everywhere. The type of people who'll furiously claim it's simply humorous to believe in a supernatural deity and claim it's all about science, whilst having close to null scientific background themselves.
Whilst it's clear that organized religion is fallacious, it's just as both ignorant and arrogant to claim science has or ever will have the tools to be able to explain our existence, unless, again, you're actually educated enough in at least one relevant field of science to even begin intelligently assume one way or another.
What I do KNOW, however, is that you're both ignorant and arrogant. Your said "knowledge" on the matter starts and ends with the very basic and intuitive thought that since there's nothing you can't explain through means of science in your every day life, this principle also somehow applies to things which are to this date beyond humans grasp.
It's not shameful to be ignorant on the matter since there's probably only a handful of people on earth who're educated enough to claim against a supernatural deity on a purely scientific base. Your arrogance, and unfortunately, many others of this generation, is that you seem to think you're one of these people, based on... God knows.
Let me help you and spare you some trouble, it doesn't exist, or else it would've been beyond widely spread.
If you claim it's enough that there are leading scientists who "believe" there isn't/wasn't a supernatural deity, then by all means, you're entitled to your own opinion and you can "guess", but, guessing or supporting general claims does not grant you any "knowledge" on the matter nor does it grant you the right to claim you "know" one way or another, and, on the same note, let me just bring up the fact there's an abundant amount of scientists who do believe in the possible existence of intelligent design of the universe.
Which of course leads us to the question, which scientist is right? The theist or the atheists, or is it someone in between? You're in no position to make the distinction, and the attempt to do so only makes you look even more arrogant.
i can claim to know it since it's extremely obvious to a functioning brain. you mad bra? go pray to your god, maybe he'll help.
I also don't understand what a basic natural phenomenon such as gravity which has been used in scientific research ever since the introduction of mechanical physics have to do with the subject at hand. Do you honestly think this is a valid comparison?
As far as me being "mad", I urge you, you're no longer 16 and it really is the time to put a thinking cap on. I strongly believe there's a correlation between the time you spend 9gag/reddit with your lack of ability to come up with well structured, well thought through thoughts.
I also don't know exactly where do you pick up on me being a theist who prays to Gods from this discussion, but I suppose that's just another sign of a lackluster mind which is unable to process simple information.
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i still don't get people who try to take posts like this so seriously...
i feel fully comfortable saying that the gods that some morons here pray to (jesus' daddy etc) do not exist. maybe there can be a real god since science can't answer all the questions, not at least year, but it surely isn't the bro people go to churches for, just like the night time stories in bible aren't actually true.
get a grip bro, this is the internet.
My point, ultimately, is that atheism is becoming a 21st century religion in numerous ways, which is just preposterous and mind mind boggling to me. There's little difference in essence between the pre-medieval theistic simpleton and today's average atheist in this matter.
The sun god which slowly transformed into the various religions we have today, mouth to ear generation by generation, vs the average atheist, whose whole hypothesis is basically "omfg lol m8 it's the 21st century get with the program".
Both are fallacious in an abundant amount of ways, both have no base whatsoever and both are destructive to the human rational.
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Because i think ultimately it´s for the greater good for numerous reasons.
In this case, if you have to, for some reason, choose between being a strong atheist and a theist who follows a specific religion, then, yes, being a dull minded atheist is the lesser evil of the two, but that's also about it. If you consider this to be some sort of greater good, than I suggest you reevaluate your stance on the subject.
I don't need to believe, it's but I respect the fact that other people might have that need.
Post edited 2012-10-15 21:27:34
Just because you don't know what made the big bang, you aren't forced to believe in God, just respect the others opinion.
You aren't supposed to believe in anything, you're free right? No one is obligating you. Just show some respect.
I believe it in my own way, when I want I go to church and believe in God in my own way, by my own way I mean I agree with Science and History's explanation to the creation of the world. You understand what I'm saying?
I'm not an hardcore believer, I just do. ;)
In none of my arguments I claimed it's God or any other supernatural deity OVER science. Personally, I'm leaning much closer towards science than anything else, but, and that's a big but, I don't KNOW one way or the other.
I think that people who follow organized religion are just as ignorant as people who're self-proclaimed atheists. It's beyond me how can someone read what I wrote and interpret something else.
no they are not because at least people who follow atheism are backed up by PROOFS! u dont have to understand it completely to believe in it or support it. u just have to know the basics about biology, chemistry or physics to know that ITS IMPOSSIBLE that we are here because some1 created us, thats as simple as that..
It's truly amazing how the aforementioned geniuses are able to draw valid conclusions each and single time about our origins and what not.
Honestly, what the fuck are those retards doing over at Zurich with that useless particle accelerator? They should just go on HLTV.org and get all their answers, for it seems that "any1 with, at least, a little curiosity would search, for like an hour, and discover that life isnt HAND-MADE".
Post edited 2012-10-15 23:13:44
And the thing about religious people have to prove god exists... well they don't, they just want some respect and they don't care if you or me believe or not, if we do it's our problem, if we don't, it's still our problem. That's called faith, they believe because they want, they aren't forcing the others to believe (unless the jehovas). Respect.
And may i ask what gives YOU the right to judge, question and laugh at atheists or believers, and their statements here in such an arrogant way?
I don't believe in anything supernatural nor do I believe in intelligent design, and I do believe that naturally, as science progresses, we'll come closer and closer to being able to tackle the said issues with empiristic means, but I don't believe one way or the other regarding the possibility of one day answering the "major" questions by the use of science.
As far as me passing judgement, well, I believe this is everyone's right, but you're most definitely correct; I shouldn't have used such an uncomplimentary tone in my posts.
Post edited 2012-10-16 16:34:57
Nice ad hominem attack. Attack the argument, not the person.
Are you mad because you couldn't understand what I said in your previous reply? lol
Stop with that, rad1um hasn't insulted you in any way.
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But on the other side u act like o have a proof for non-existance. You keep talking about science , then proof us scientifically.
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btw: u are so brainwashed bro, please dont submit ur future kids to that intelectual prison. PLEASE
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You just made a fool of yourself once again lurppis, an admin staff. How can they keep you employed? What a shame. Keep making enemies then. Thats what arrogance grant you.
i just looked outside of the window and in the mirror. i saw no god. i should actually download deadliest catch, haven't watched it in a while, thanks for the reminder.
ah, another genius who thinks if i like to troll less than bright people on the internet then that's how i must be in real life. ouch. that insult really hurts!
i'm going to guess i'm employed because of my knowledge of counter-strike and the work i do. and here i thought this site was about counter-strike!
Post edited 2012-10-15 13:43:07
BASiC on CS:GO "i like how ppl tell you not to compare CS:GO to CS 1.6, that's like ppl telling you to eat shit and not compare it to steak"
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except people stopped believing in the latter two when they grew up.
someone just forgot to tell people god isn't real after using it as a reason to make them behave better etc
finns don't respect my country, why would I respect them?
You don't troll, unless that's the 9gag standards and your posts in the finnish language thread got all deleted LOL.
You truly are brainwashed if you think everyone in a different country doesn't like you because of your nationality.
I'm just like a finn, out of nowhere do racist comments.
he is dumb too? :D
Hawking's latest comments go beyond those laid out in his 2010 book, The Grand Design, in which he asserted that there is no need for a creator to explain the existence of the universe. The book provoked a backlash from some religious leaders, including the chief rabbi, Lord Sacks, who accused Hawking of committing an "elementary fallacy" of logic.
and no, stephen hawking especially does not believe in god. he, like i do, believes in science.
it's hard to respect what is so obviously not even remotely close to being true.
You have your opinion, but you can express it without flaming/being disrespectful like normal people do.
"You believe whatever you want, but don't tell other people that critisizing them is offensive. Cause it's not, it's an opinion." Yea... no. There are alot of ways to critisize, and you guys are really the proof of that, even yesterday horuz made a thread criticizing you(HKTV admins) and you didn't liked his OPINION so you simply deleted.
You don't provide any arguments that why lurppis is wrong on what he thinks. Your just being offended and thats just too fucking bad.
Believe in your "god" be happy and don't give a fuck on others opinions(Were they offensive or not), or give us some good arguments that why is he exactly wrong.
Ofcourse I don't provide arguments, I don't need to, I'm not here to convert him nor anyone and that's not even the point of the discussion, the point is him offending everyone that has some belief.
I mean I know that this website was created
by Nomad or someone else, don't know exactly :D but the point is this website has creature
Hawking believes there is GOD
I am not very in religion, but I believe that SOMEONE created this.
hawking does not believe there is a god, he believes in science :)
Everyone believes in something, don't judge them for it (unless they force it down your throat, then you have my full support to go ape shit at them) :D
that's similar to some retard jehova's witnesses showing up at my door on wednesday to tell me about doomsday.
on that note; people who believe in god: you are in the same group of people with those jehova's witnesses.
I believe in God and I never forced anyone to believe but I'm in the same group of the jehova's witness, just because I have Faith in something.
I dont understand how a hardcore 1.6 fan can be more considerate toward CSGO than he can toward people with beliefs different to his own :D
i just can't believe there are adults in the 21st century who still believe that stuff... i seriously thought everyone knew it was a joke until my time in the us taught me young adults still go to church etc... it's crazy
"that's similar to some retard jehova's witnesses showing up at my door on wednesday to tell me about doomsday.
on that note; people who believe in god: you are in the same group of people with those jehova's witnesses"
Very constructive indeed.
I expected better from HLTV.org staff, not them insulting their users like a bunch of immature gamers.
If someone tells you something completely ridiculous and shows no evidence to back what they said up, and then you actually believe it, chances are you are an idiot. And if they give you a set of rules that you have to follow if you believe them and you do, chances are you are not just an idiot, but a complete grade S drooling retard.
Actually, nvm. But here's the thing: I'm actually the creator of the universe. I have no evidence to support this claim, but trust me, I am. I just wrote it down on a piece of paper, so it's just as believable as the bible. So obey me: live your life as you have this far, being a cool dude and shit, but just send me a 100 every month, so once you die you'll be eternally happy etc. I guarantee it, no evidence to show naturally but trust me, it says so on the piece of paper I just wrote.
PM me for the address, and you can send this month's 100 tomorrow. Kthxbye.
Science cant prove everything, although it disproves a lot of religion but that doesnt give you the right to look down on those people.
Ontopic: GL nasu!
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where's aslak? the most talented finnish nowadays
I hope you will agree that science and religion is different things... why are you comparing it?
science trumps religion. science proves a "god" doesn't exist, just like hell and heaven do not exist and we didn't all start from adam and eva in that garden with a snake...
As in there is as much proof for the existence of Jahweh (christian deity) as there is towards Thor, Apollo or the Easterbunny.
Some scientists might be deists or something (as in "I believe there is a higher being somewhere.. I think...") but less than a percentage of all scientists are Theists, as you said.
In my lifetime I have yet to see a true scientist who thinks science can answer everything. The more you know, the better you notice that in fact you know nothing. Science as it is tries to find out (generalizing quite a lot here) what the laws of nature are and how they can be used to benefit humanity. The most difficult questions, such as why are the laws we observe the laws that exist and not something else entirely, or how did any kind of universe come to be, will likely never be answered. These are exactly the kind of things that may drive some people to believe in some all powerful being, while some others accept that they just will never know and choose to believe nothing.
You also commented on how 500 years in the future our generation might seem extremely stupid. In some ways I couldn't disagree more. Sure, the level of knowledge people have accumulates over time. But if you look at today's world, I would claim that the wisdom of people hasn't grown a single bit over the last thousands of years. People are still as petty and primitive in their desires as they ever were, they just know a bit more about the laws of nature to make some tasks automated. But even if one thinks about things only scientifically, I can't help but be in awe of people like Erastothenes who in his primitive time could determine the circumference of the Earth rather accurately, or a guy like Gauss who used modern algorithmic techniques like the fast fourier transform already in the early 1800's.
they believe in god because their parents told them about god, and then they went to church and all the other utter bullshit.
check pls :D
... no ?
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on topic: great news!
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they have thrown of after hard struggle. They are creatures who--in their grudge against traditional religion as the 'opium of the masses'--cannot hear the music of the spheres."
Don't get mad at me, he said it.
You maybe an atheist, but that doesn't make you less of a fanatic.
The biggest mind of them all even said that!
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So Einstein was very clever and didn't like fanatical atheists, this proves what exactly?
He didn't believe in a personal god either, whether he was an agnostic or a deist, one could argue either way.
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Not all but most of scientists are fucking crazy... But they believe in god anyway :) This is the fact... If you don't want to believe in it's the different...
GOD ISNT A REAL
THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES STILL BELIEVE IN GOD
LURPISS LOOKS LIKE NASU
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fucking capitalist brainwashed cunt
I was talking about those people that are saying that god is an omnipotent invisible man with a white beard living in the clouds that cares for your personal affairs but would not feed the starving children in africa and loves you so much that he will condemn you to eternal torture if you dont lick his balls daily.
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Maybe I should've written "as opposed to?", rather than apart from. I guess..
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I also don't differentiate between the "god of the clouds" and the "god of the planet what-the-fuck-ever" , but - as I said - god can be understood as something different than an allpowerfull anthropomorphic granddaddy (where he lives is kinda irrelevant).
Put Judaism in the same basket, my boy.
But wait, I thought we were talking about diferent conceptions of god, not different customes.
Cuz if you're gonna talk about the way of living, I might as well tell you that I'm disgusted by 99% of the western world.
So in essence, I usually refer to religion or false claims. I don't hate anyone for believing in supernatural things and I certainly don't segregate/discriminate by criticizing only one or two religions.
Being disgusted by 99% of the western world seems a bit excessive.
For instance, I find the notion of a man with a white beard in the skies quite stupid, but on the other hand, pantheism for instance doesn't seem as ridiculous and is IMO worthy of an argumented debate.
Also, I don't hate anyone either because hatred is for losers. And criticizing certain religions only and not all of them is no discrimination.
And why does that seem excessive to you ?
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Having said that sex - religion - politics are the 3 no no's in discussion for most business'. If HLTV is simply a forum and not a business then have at it.
I run/own 3 health clubs and those 3 no no's are not discussed by my staff on our member forums, social media sites etc....
I think it's rather snot nosed brat-ish to read Lurppis remarks as a staff member/contributor to this site.
I guess you must be number one then? Is that ranking official, I'd like to see it? ;)