OverDrive: "Neo was the best in 1.6"
By: MIRAA
Time: 2012-10-17 01:57
Event: PGS 2012
Game: Counter-Strike 1.6

We conclude our coverage of the 2012 ProGamerSeries (PGS) event in Oporto with an interview with Alexey "OverDrive" Birukov following his team's defeat at the hands of Anexis.

place2play.ru attended the Portuguese event with Filip "Neo" Kubski as a stand-in for Sergey "hally" Shavaeva, finishing in fourth place in the tournament following defeats to Natus Vincere and Anexis in the play-offs.

Unlike his Russian team-mates, Birukov will not be joining RuSh3D's CS:GO division, with his place being taken by former GRAND and Virtus.pro member Deniz "seized" Kostin.

In this interview, Birukov talks about his team's performances in Portugal, his opinion about Kubski and also CS:GO, among other topics.

Your team had the chance to beat Anexis but wasted several match points. What happened?

I do not know, the first map was too easy and we thought that since de_inferno is our strongest map, it was going to be easy, too. It is just CS, when you do silly stuff and you are not focused, the opponent punishes you. Overconfident? No, we knew that they were good. On train we started to play harder, but we still made a lot of silly mistakes.

You beat Na´Vi two weeks ago at TECHLABS but now lost to them. What happened? Is your team a bit weaker now, with Neo as a stand-in, or were Na´Vi better prepared this time around?

Na´Vi are not as good as they were a year ago. At TECHLABS we were underdogs, we had two players who had never played against top teams, so no one expected us to win. That is why we won those games against ESC and Na´Vi. Now, the situation was different, they were prepared and knew we could win, so the game was very tough.

Neo was very disappointed with his performance against Na´Vi. What is your opinion about the way he played for your team?

Neo is in my opinion, the best player in CS 1.6, he has won a lot of big events and told us a lot of things about CS and about our mistakes. He also feels comfortable playing with us. Everyone thinks it was a big problem to communicate in this team, but it was not. He understands Russian and all the spots on the maps, so when we talked, he understood everything.  And when he did not understand, he asked and I translated, but that only happened a few times. He is a very experienced player, he understood what was going on and where he had to be, so there were no communication problems, even though Dosia, Fox and ROMJke do not speak English at all.

Did you change your strategies to adapt to Neo’s playing style?

Our main strategy for years, even when we were in tp.uSports and forZe, has been killing and running. At TECHLABS we were lucky and we were hitting our shots, so we won it. With Neo, we only discussed simple things, like 'we kill here and go there', not things like smokes or flashes.

Next week, your team will be attending DreamHack Bucharest. Will hally return to the team instead of Neo?

Neo will have an event in Poland soon where he will be playing CS:GO, while hally still has some passport problems. When we fly back to Moscow we will decide whether we will be going or not, but I will not be able to go, so we will need two stand-ins. It could be B1ad3 from KerchNET and hooch from Virtus.pro. But there is also the possibility that we will not attend the event at all, but I will do everything for us to go.

Last week, RuSh3D announced their CS:GO team with four of your team’s players. Is it a good opportunity for these players?

When we were coming back from TECHLABS by train, the head manager of RuSh3D was with us, and he asked if it was okay to take the players, because for me Counter-Strike was all about having fun, I never wanted to be a professional player or practice a lot. For them, it is part of their lives and it is their job. So I agreed to make this line-up so that they can try playing CS:GO. I know that this line-up will stay like this for at least three months, to see if things work out. Then they will decide their future. We will attend any future 1.6 events with this line-up, but with hally instead of Neo.

Why won’t you switch to CS:GO? Don’t you like the game?

As I said, CS is not a job for me, but it is part of my life, that is why I attended almost all events during these 10 years. This is the last year of CS 1.6, which is my favourite game. Like all other players, I do not like CS:GO at all, it is like CS:Source 2, I still hope there will be more changes to make it look more similar to 1.6, but I think Valve has their own opinions and do not want  to listen to the professional players. I think it is a way to attract younger players and I do not think all the players from Na’Vi, from Russia or Poland are going to play hard like they did in 1.6, because they do not like this game, and if you do not like the game, you cannot be a top player. I know that f0rest and GeT_RiGhT are playing well, but maybe they have found something in this game, so that is why they like it.

Will you be stay involved with the team, as a manager or a coach?

I do not want to be a part of esports as a manager or something else. If there is a 1.6 event, of course I will be there, if Dosia, Fox and all my friends want to go, but as far as CS:GO is concerned, I will try to play it a bit, but I do not think I will be able to play it.

Which events will RuSh3D attend?

They are planning to attend DreamHack Winter, and as many events as possible in late Autumn and early Winter, but if they cannot go to DreamHack and there are other 1.6 events, we will go there with our core line-up.


agreed :]
2012-10-17 02:00:35
da-kING


ey pita u r a boss D:

Post edited 2012-10-17 02:34:52
2012-10-17 02:25:49
maybe.
2012-10-17 03:07:00
good to hear from such a good player :)
2012-10-17 12:08:53
fanboy
2012-10-17 13:34:45
You're confusing me, according to Thorins article "Pros' perspectives: Best player faced"

"pita:

I have played against a lot of good players, and one player I rarely won against is f0rest. I remember him always playing great against my teams, even though he had played three bad games before playing against us, and then just owning, strange."

Just out of curiosity which one of them is it? The best player of 1.6 should be the best you've ever faced aswell, since I know you've met them both. Just doesn't add up :)
2012-10-17 15:20:24
+1
2012-10-17 15:33:26
He could feel that f0rest was the best player vs his teams while neo was the better one overall.
2012-10-17 15:37:07
It's not really confusing. It's not the same.
2012-10-17 15:47:38
The question was best player faced and pita could face f0rest in really good form when they played but overall in 1.6 NEO is best
2012-10-17 18:09:30
overdrive king is better than neO imO
2012-10-17 02:00:46
and you were worst in 1.6 <3
2012-10-17 02:01:17
+1337
2012-10-17 12:11:02
he is not a pro player dude
2012-10-17 12:38:03
f0rest
2012-10-17 02:01:33
OverDno
2012-10-17 02:04:46
ahaha lol In Germany know this word - dno ?
2012-10-18 13:09:24
dont know :D
i learned it here on hltv.org ^^
2012-10-18 19:48:53
YOU ARE FUCKING SICK NEO <333333333333333
2012-10-17 02:06:09
NEO[t]
2012-10-17 02:06:43
NEo[t] bb
2012-10-17 02:07:35
NEO is the best in world <3
2012-10-17 02:09:59
good interview... that is why i won't play cs:go as it is just not good... fps as a whole is dying and i cannot bear vehicular games like bf3... tata 1.6... see you in pubs only once a week...
2012-10-17 02:16:22
f0rest!
2012-10-17 02:20:48
fanboy
2012-10-17 02:21:41
wrong, it's my opinion.
2012-10-17 02:24:40
what swede could say lol
2012-10-17 02:31:53
+1111
2012-10-17 02:32:21
i understand, you dont have anyone fron spain to cheer for, <3 SpawN explains everything.

Post edited 2012-10-17 12:55:01
2012-10-17 12:54:25
SpawN wasn't born in Sweden or just he's nationality isn't swedish but some african country

Post edited 2012-10-17 23:52:51
2012-10-17 23:52:07
oh im not swedish either and im not born in sweden :)
2012-10-18 00:20:43
so... he is spanish, and you trolled him. But you are using sweden flag, and you arent sweden... so... STFU!
2012-10-18 03:02:22
I live in sweden and i have done it almost whole my life so so so so just fuck off :)
2012-10-18 13:28:39
You have a problem bro... but fuckt! have a nice day hahaha =]
2012-10-18 13:55:14
hardly, its really obvious who got the problem here :)
2012-10-18 16:47:09
#1
2012-10-17 15:04:03
he could say moddii gtr face xizt fyrte zneel pita and sooooo onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
2012-10-17 23:39:54
its your opinion cuz you didnt had chance play with neo ofc. even with f0rest. OverDrive had this chance so I think I can trust him and agree with him...

Post edited 2012-10-17 12:01:51
2012-10-17 12:01:05
overdrive and you havent played with f0rest im a right?
2012-10-17 12:56:00
but pita played and if he said that neo is the best so i trust ppl. who know somethink than u who didnt even saw neo or forest
2012-10-17 13:19:07
oh cArn said f0rest is the best so i can trust him? i dont think you see the whole picture of this
2012-10-17 13:36:06
actually carn said that f0rest and neo were the best. don't spread desinformations.
2012-10-17 15:49:02
http://www.hltv.org/news/8350-carn-retirement-inte..

"Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg is the best individual player he has ever played with."
2012-10-17 16:25:16
With, not against :P
2012-10-17 21:01:17
yeah and?
2012-10-17 22:07:08
#212
2012-10-18 11:31:53
that proofs what?
2012-10-18 13:31:12
carn said f0rest is the best. Imo (which, of course doesn't mean anything) f0rest at his peak was better than Neo but Neo maintained his form much longer and was more stable
2012-10-17 13:40:51
#138
2012-10-17 15:49:57
http://www.hltv.org/news/8350-carn-retirement-inte..

"Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg is the best individual player he has ever played with."
2012-10-17 16:21:06
he ever played WITH neo?
2012-10-18 11:31:36
Did Overdrive ever played with f0rest?
lol thats the point, just because OverDrive played with neo and said he is the best it doesnt mean its true.
2012-10-18 13:29:56
NEO STRONG FOREST WRONG!
2012-10-17 10:27:25
ofc he is best, only stupid peoples or no experienced can say that is not true, ye f0rest is good but not overall completed like neo, it's not big different against this two players, but 4 sure its like 51% for neo and 49% for f0rest and that's all neo the best player in cs history, second can be f0rest and third get right that's my top3 and i think it's 100% true and i didint saying it because i'm fan of neo i'm too fan of f0rest(example because of his robocop style), i just follow him and his team since 2005 and that just experience, f0rest can be good but not better than neo, example if u look at neo mates and f0rest mates, f0rest have always allstars in his team - ALWAYS! Neo have a little bit louer mates and he's doing like 50% what u can see in scores, always best in all rates like 1 level or more than his mates and always he is on experts, pro players and many other peoples eyes and what nixon says that neo lose all duels vs f0rest, i just can laugh on that comment because neo team more often stop f0rest and c.o in finals and didint let them to win tournaments especially this biggest events

Post edited 2012-10-17 02:35:24
2012-10-17 02:25:08
eh maybe you are right. as the fact is the reason neo do stop forest in big events many times
2012-10-17 03:38:26
by: math
#77
and one more thing

NEo is reaching that lvl in that game to recognize that its a little bit random.

as he mension in many iViews.
2012-10-17 11:45:37
well neo in all these years has been in better shape than f0rest without a doubt

but when f0rest was like a BEAST PLAYER MODE there was no one who stop him

f0rest is inconsistent ( which is a bad thing on how he can play like a god when he is in BEAST PLAYER MODE! )

neo has been like great all the time... almost never had a bad gamme...


PS: neo's teammates aren't noobs compared to f0rest'teammates

TaZ can be like neo, pasha as well and even kuben... About Loord you are right :/

f0rest's last lineup, the only one that was getting noob (imo) was Delpan...

Post edited 2012-10-17 13:02:01
2012-10-17 12:59:23
If neo has lower teammates like you say its OBVIOUS he would always have better ratios than his teammates, isnt it? If your talking about neo beeing more complete as a player than f0rest (which i agree) then you would also have to talk about trace who IS the most complete player. Overall it is impoissible to distinguish neo from f0rest, they've both been the best, they've both dominated the scene like noone else did so, its impossible to say who was the best of all time. Its the same ronaldo-messi dilema shit, theyre just both the best, 1 year ones better, other year the opposite.
2012-10-17 13:02:00
+1 THANK YOU!
2012-10-17 13:11:15
well, actually comparing neo n forest to rondaldo n messi is pretty incorrect, cuz forest had his prime time some time ago and neo was pretty much consisted all that time.
2012-10-17 16:01:51
hmmmm.... you right dispite that RONALDO scores 15 times in WORLD CUP and messi not.

how good are you depends on how much you won, but...

f0rest is like Cristiano making his job really good i would like to say outstanding, making scores, etc

oEN from the other site is like MESSI, unbelievable each time he SHOT bullet . Each movement, jump, shot. Just see his movement.
Astonishing is choosing correct name by him even before knowing that he really can manipulate the MATRIX of CS1.6 in REAL

2012-10-17 16:39:38
agree
2012-10-17 18:49:30
for me SpawN was the best... NEO 2nd...
2012-10-17 02:29:18
nice joke, neo has x5000 more achievements than him, my friend.
2012-10-17 03:33:09
u need to know anything more than numbers about cs to understand who is best...
2012-10-17 04:40:48
i think retarded is to compare old players to players like Neo,Markellof or GT. Game was much much easier then i think SpawN wouldnt be so great if he could play this for such a long time like Neo for example.
2012-10-17 12:04:59
2006 wcg pentagram beats nip with spawn in lineup.
2012-10-17 12:11:53
and what it means ? no one can be on fire every day or tournament dude, lol !

Post edited 2012-10-17 16:57:01
2012-10-17 16:55:35
omg man stfu seriously, they are right u must be real retard
2012-10-17 21:44:05
"daslolo - Neo fan".... :DDD
2012-10-17 22:07:37
u are soo ignorant man and retarded as fcuk really... dont reply to me again if u dont have any experience to read and calculate correctly comments, because it starting to be horrible reading comments like ur with non sense and i seriously starting to say it more but earth is sick more and more at stupid peoples

Post edited 2012-10-17 22:32:52
2012-10-17 22:29:37
are you serious? lol
2012-10-17 13:27:16
anyone notice anything weird?
i haven't slept and i noticed it.
"understandood". hehe. cute.
2012-10-17 02:36:10
it's like deaded haha
2012-10-17 02:52:18
"I know that f0rest and GeT_RiGhT are playing well, but maybe they have found something in this game, so that is why they like it."

Let me guess... Money?! correct me if I'm wrong.
2012-10-17 02:44:50
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
+1
2012-10-17 02:47:00
whats that I didnt get :/ actually all the pro players are playing this game for money thats kinda their job where is the trolling?
2012-10-17 03:35:33
actually I wasn't trolling. I know that it's their job, but where are the emotions? beeing the best team in the world... that's what I don't like very much. Last year in 1.6 I didn't saw any emotions in pro scene, when they won a tournament or something like that.. money washes brains.
2012-10-17 04:01:54
come on duud dont say there was no emotions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-_sbGYTwsU&fea..
2012-10-17 09:58:57
http://youtu.be/KGf1e9AJHds huh?
2012-10-17 10:41:21
Ur dumb if you think they dont enjoy the game, or dont have a huge urge to win and beat the championships. It is not all about the money, its just as much as any other profession.
2012-10-17 13:04:47
All of them play for money, he's just jealous.
2012-10-17 03:54:07
Oh, now I see that someone(you) have wrote similar post to mine.

We agree on that, and that's a fact.
2012-10-17 15:25:34
yes he was, i'm not even a fanboy..but he was overall better than f0rest who is a close 2nd
2012-10-17 03:11:05
NEO IS GOSU
2012-10-17 03:29:13
OverDrive seems like such a nice person tbh.
2012-10-17 03:48:57
yee i think he was somethink more than like idiots saying "worst player"
2012-10-17 12:06:34
every player in the interviews seems a nice person lol
2012-10-17 13:27:51
Nope.
2012-10-17 14:04:23
gtr looks cocky in all his interviews
2012-10-17 14:31:08
That's obvious.

Even Thorin (a swede) from fragbite (swedish fanboys house) concluded that neo is the best CS player of all times (this article is unbelievably complete and accurate btw).
2012-10-17 03:55:37
Last I checked Thorin was British, he just happens to work for a Swedish website. Nevertheless, I do have to agree that neo is #1 :)
2012-10-17 04:56:28
Really? I didn't know that. He knows the swedish CS history pretty well for a foreigner.
2012-10-17 05:09:32
Lol. Clueless much
2012-10-17 14:04:49
Oh, if thorin concluded, it must be 100% true! All because cs is all about stats, k/d ratios and achievements, fuck that guy flash that allowed neo to get an ace, fuck that guy who allows neo to clutch, fuck that guy impact in the game bro, its alllllll about stats!!
2012-10-17 13:06:57
cool interview, OverDrive seems to be a nice and honest guy, gl to him in life :))
2012-10-17 04:36:10
Neo is as big as it gets!

<3 OverDrive
2012-10-17 05:40:59
GL Overdrive. Nice interview. NEO is surely the king!
2012-10-17 05:43:07
Really nice interview, seems to be a great person :)
2012-10-17 06:06:55
neo
1st class brainers
bhop kings
2st class shooters
2012-10-17 06:20:27
It's "2nd" mate =)
2012-10-17 07:45:42
Nevermind, we got the point here ))
2012-10-17 15:23:24
haha stupid fault
2012-10-18 03:46:51
100 % true :)
2012-10-17 08:15:53
nice interview :)
2012-10-17 08:35:05
one true BEST ------> NEO
2012-10-17 08:35:19
'he understandood'
2012-10-17 08:42:34
f0rest > neo
2012-10-17 08:47:45
neo true the best aimstar
2012-10-17 09:23:44
MODDI THE BEST!!!
2012-10-17 09:43:00
nice view
gl over
2012-10-17 10:03:59
"Dosia, Fox and ROMJke do not speak English at all"
what a shame..
2012-10-17 10:12:16
Why? They dont know English and have no problem with that :)
2012-10-17 11:40:03
I think, they will have problem with job search after their cybersport career finished.
2012-10-17 13:13:24
In Russia??? Oh, please...) No problem at all
2012-10-17 20:22:38
Some scandinavian don't understand that learning english is harder for some people in the world, your language is pretty similar with english, that's why it's easier for you.
2012-10-17 11:44:54
if someone goes to school for ~12 years and after that still can't communicate on basic level in any language that is not his native, he is just stupid.
2012-10-17 12:25:44
+1 on that
2012-10-17 13:33:43
Do you know that there are people, who went to school and still have huge problems to read ?You don't know them, you don't know the reason why they don't know how to speak english so please don't judge that easily.
2012-10-17 17:10:44
It's not matter of language difficulty (english is pretty simple on base level), it's all about laziness..
2012-10-17 13:02:44
Do you know why they don't speak english ?According to you there is only one reason to that, it's too easy to judge.
2012-10-17 17:11:23
He was without a doubt
2012-10-17 11:01:31
OverDrive i respect You! nice view, CS is a passion! but ppl forget about this...
2012-10-17 11:23:51
This.

Unlike many others he didn't forget about the original and true CS spirit.
2012-10-17 13:04:09
comin from the famous teamkiller, yeah right!!
2012-10-17 11:39:07
f0rest was the best in 1.6, not neo

Post edited 2012-10-17 12:11:55
2012-10-17 12:11:41
hey 2k12
2012-10-17 12:51:24
So thats 200012? nice year to be living in.
2012-10-17 13:09:06
why u mad bro?
2012-10-17 13:13:13
in Poland 2k12 = 2012 ;]
2012-10-17 13:14:55
No bro in the world k = 000, 1k=1000, 2k=2000
Besides, whats the deal with writing 2k12 while u can just take the k off and put a 0? Totally retarded isnt it? -.-0
2012-10-17 13:32:32
Two thousand and twelve... Not that hard.
2012-10-17 14:05:29
#122
2012-10-17 14:07:27
But what is the reason to write "k" instead of zero?
2012-10-17 13:58:35
dunno, just I see on esl when people write for example 2k12 etc.
2012-10-17 14:07:03
Pronounce it. It's faster
2012-10-17 15:22:35
How did you get it to 200012? 2k12 is 2012...
2012-10-17 15:22:01
just another htlv's flame war me he he
2012-10-17 18:09:42
we all knew that, just a class in front of others
2012-10-17 12:27:18
neo > all
and no more
2012-10-17 12:35:28
"maybe they have found something in this game, so that is why they like it."
They've found money but it's ok.
2012-10-17 12:49:06
I miss LUq on Neo team.. =/
2012-10-17 13:15:44
+1, anyway i think: Pasha>Luq
2012-10-17 14:57:01
+1 the same feelings

OGIEN KURWY !
2012-10-18 01:27:53
hahahahah yea! xD
2012-10-18 14:10:06
Neo and f0rest would just laugh at you all while drinking beer. They were both good, who cares about who was better, I am pretty sure they don't.
2012-10-17 13:43:01
for shore , NEO FTW
2012-10-17 14:24:44
"I know that f0rest and GeT_RiGhT are playing well, but maybe they have found something in this game, so that is why they like it."

"something" - MONEY ofc.

Nice read btw, I like the way you're thinking.
2012-10-17 15:22:15
neo is the most complete player of cs history not only 1.6 :) from early 2006 until now i cant think of anyone better. I could say from 1999-2005 HeatoN was the best overall player but neo's skill was superior.well we don't know if heaton continued to play like he did what could happen..but i think the facts as for now are straight
2012-10-17 15:58:22
all time I was fan of tp.uSports and forze, all time I hated Overdrive as a player, but he always speaks the truth, so I respected him as man :D
2012-10-17 16:02:08
Good Job!
2012-10-17 16:16:35
like we didn't know that already...
2012-10-17 16:20:44
OverDrive you gained my respect, nice interview and same opinions like me.. too funny, we kill there and go here lol sounds like my tactics, very cool and nice to played with neo bad luck only 4th place
2012-10-17 16:40:07
f0rest was best 1.6 player

f0rest = messi
neo = ronaldo

maybe stupid comparsion, but if there would be no f0rest, neo would be called the best (same like messi/ronaldo)

Post edited 2012-10-17 16:48:17
2012-10-17 16:44:08
but ronaldo>messi

or neo better than f0rest
2012-10-17 17:08:05
messi >>> ronaldo
neo >>> forest

everybody knows that.
2012-10-17 17:13:58
everybody?like 100% of the people?then why is there a discussion going on when people talk about that?xD
2012-10-17 22:08:30
yes, 100% - some swedes = 98%.
2012-10-18 07:13:06
I`m not swede and I think f0rest was better
neo maybe nice guy, but playeer, Patrick was better. allways top fragger for all those years

Post edited 2012-10-18 07:37:51
2012-10-18 07:37:42
What means the [t] in NEO[t] ?????
2012-10-17 17:15:03
Titan i guess
2012-10-17 17:20:35
Ofc overdnno, playin shoulder by shoulder with neo we all saw the contrast how neo is good and how u're dno
2012-10-17 17:21:52
Agree with him. NEO living legend of 1.6
2012-10-17 17:59:52
+1 neo living legend
2012-10-17 19:20:06
biased?
2012-10-17 18:01:15
"Dosia, Fox and ROMJke do not speak English at all."

"Our main strategy for years, even when we were in tp.uSports and forZe, has been killing and running."

"'we kill here and go there',"

conclusion: russians = bots
2012-10-17 18:04:06
hahahahaha ;D
2012-10-18 00:05:02
still those bots are better than us :)
2012-10-18 01:35:39
you don't say..


we know that since 2001
2012-10-17 18:22:28
Only sad word is "was..."
2012-10-17 18:53:03
Tell us something what we didn't know?!
2012-10-17 18:54:30
Yes, his majesty f0rest was the best in 1.6 and now he is the best in cs:go.
2012-10-17 19:00:23
NO SHIT?
2012-10-17 19:13:03
sorry but i go with f0rest.. xD
2012-10-17 19:19:24
"event in Porto" not Oporto... the MVP was undoubtedly MODDII!

Post edited 2012-10-17 20:20:09
2012-10-17 20:19:33
by: MIRAA - HLTV.org
#224
It's Oporto.
2012-10-18 18:10:27
Neo was the best, nuff said?
2012-10-17 20:28:44
f0rest and neo yeh
2012-10-17 21:51:29
NO!
2012-10-17 22:06:04
the bests was markeloff , neo and forest!

foxj > neo

Post edited 2012-10-17 22:51:57
2012-10-17 22:50:44
the best all times was spawn...
2012-10-17 23:40:40
Neo was the best , but the most Legendary is still SpawN
2012-10-18 00:41:44
are you ppl out of mind to compare f0rest to Neo LOL
2012-10-18 02:04:21
i know right f0rest is better
2012-10-18 05:41:10
yes, I do not understand it also
f0rest much better ... what were they thinking?

Post edited 2012-10-18 07:36:00
2012-10-18 07:35:50
f0rest is as good as neo.
2012-10-18 02:43:54
he is of your team genius,
2012-10-18 07:23:47
YOU ALL FORGET ABOUT MTW and Whimp was the beasts player ever
2012-10-18 11:14:30
:D
2012-10-18 14:31:51
blablabla trolololololol
2012-10-18 12:20:23
What a "yellow press" topic :D
2012-10-18 14:39:53

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