pre-ESWC interview: ProGaming cogu
Time: 2012-10-28 15:52
Event: ESWC 2012
Game: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

We caught up with fan favorite Raphael "cogu" Camargo who recently made a comeback for CS:GO in ProGaming.Target Down and has been bootcamping at IOS to prepare for ESWC.

Camargo chose to retire from competitive Counter-Strike in November 2009 after being admitted to law school, his second time as he already called it quits earlier in 2006 for a chance to become a professional soccer player.

To the delight of his numerous fans he has now made a comeback for CS:GO and has been working hard to become as good as he once was in his golden days. Read on to find out what he thinks of CS:GO and his team's chance at ESWC 2012.

How have you prepared for ESWC 2012? Have you bootcamped or only practiced online? Do you feel ready for the competition?

We have been bootcamping at Inferno online for the past 20 days (seems like a long time but it's not haha). We are not 100% ready. Since it's a new game, we still need to fix a lot of things so you won't see our best game at ESWC, but we will be prepared for DreamHack Winter. We are still going to bootcamp at Inferno Online after ESWC.

How many hours have you played CS:GO overall? How about your teammates?

I have around 400h, because i had another Steam account when I was playing in Brazil. My teammates have a little bit less than me, something around 300-350. They will probably gonna have around 400 for ESWC too.

What are you thoughts on CS:GO? What do you like and dislike? If you could change one thing, what would it be?

I'm giving the game a chance, I have a lot of fun playing it, but there's still a lot to fix. If I could change just ONE thing I would change the AWP, because right now it doesn't feel like an... well... an AW ! It feels so random at some shots and I always have the feeling that if I move and shoot, I will hit someone. I don't like the recoil of the AK or the Colt, but I hope they fix it with time.


cogu at IEM IV Global Challenge Chengdu
 in 2009 with mibr

What do you expect from ESWC 2012? If your life depended on guessing your final placing, what would you guess?

I expect a sick event! It has been a long time since I went to an ESWC and I'm really excited! It's one of the best events in the world (or at least it was in my days). I really don't know what we will place since it's the first big CS:GO tournament, but I guess NiP and ESC will do well, although it's a new game so anything can happen.

What can you tell us about your competition based on seeing them play and practicing against them? Who do you consider the strongest three teams going into the event?

It's hard to tell because every team has a unique style of playing, but I think the strongest teams are NiP, VG and ESC.

Can you talk about your teammates and explain to our readers what everyone's role on the team is in-game?

rkz cooker

steel the killer

zakk showman

zqk snorlax

Hahaha, I can't say that much about my teammates, maybe after the tournament I will be more confident talking about each one of them.

Many say CS:S players had an advantage in switching to CS:GO, do you agree? Has the game been out long enough for it to even out?

Well, I think so, CS:S players have a little bit of an advantage because it's kind of a similar game, but in my opinion 1.6 players have more experience.

Do you believe it is necessary or advantageous to mix players from different games, or do you think it does not help?

I don't think is necessary. It's just happened, at least with us.


cogu in action at shgOpen 2007 

With CS:GO still being a relatively new game, do you believe simply playing more hours still gives players a clear advantage?

It will for sure help, but everything is going to count: everyone's hunger to win, teamplay, etc.

Everyone is anxiously waiting to see cogu in action once again, years since your last appearance in 2009?. How does your current form compare to what people are expecting from the CS 1.6 times?

I hope I can do my best like I did in 2006, but the AWP is so inconsistent right now that i can't promise that much.

What have you been doing since retiring from competitive CS? Have you played any games since then for fun or were you without playing altogether for a period of time?

I was attending university and working towards becoming a lawyer, I was not playing any games. I also want to say thanks to everybody who is supporting us: ProGaming and Lipe who made this all possible, SBG who is helping us a lot and Razer who gave us the best gear on the market. Last but not least, Inferno Online who helped me every time I came here, thanks so much guys!

How have you prepared for ESWC 2012? Have you bootcamped or only practiced online? Do you feel ready for the competition?
We have been bootcamping at Inferno online for the past 20 days (seems like a long time but it's not haha). We are not 100% ready. Since it's a new game, we still need to fix a lot of things so you won't see our best game at ESWC, but we will be prepared for DreamHack Winter. We are still going to bootcamp at Inferno Online after ESWC.
How many hours have you played CS:GO overall? How about your teammates?
I have around 400h, because i had another Steam account when I was playing in Brazil. My teammates have a little bit less than me, something around 300-350. They will probably gonna have around 400 for ESWC too.
What are you thoughts on CS:GO? What do you like and dislike? If you could change one thing, what would it be?
I'm giving the game a chance, I have a lot of fun playing it, but there's still a lot to fix. If I could change just ONE thing I would change the AWP, because right now it doesn't feel like an... well... an AW ! It feels so random at some shots and I always have the feeling that if I move and shoot, I will hit someone. I don't like the recoil of the AK or the Colt, but I hope they fix it with time.
What do you expect from ESWC 2012? If your life depended on guessing your final placing, what would you guess?
I expect a sick event! It has been a long time since I went to an ESWC and I'm really excited! It's one of the best events in the world (or at least it was in my days). I really don't know what we will place since it's the first big CS:GO tournament, but I guess NiP and ESC will do well, although it's a new game so anything can happen.
What can you tell us about your competition based on seeing them play and practicing against them? Who do you consider the strongest three teams going into the event?
It's hard to tell because every team has a unique style of playing, but I think the strongest teams are NiP, VG and ESC.
Can you talk about your teammates and explain to our readers what everyone's role on the team is in-game?
rkz cooker
steel the killer
zakk showman
zqk snorlax
Hahaha, I can't say that much about my teammates, maybe after the tournament I will be more confident talking about each one of them.
Many say CS:S players had an advantage in switching to CS:GO, do you agree? Has the game been out long enough for it to even out?
Well, I think so, CS:S players have a little bit of an advantage because it's kind of a similar game, but in my opinion 1.6 players have more experience.
Do you believe it is necessary or advantageous to mix players from different games, or do you think it does not help?
I don't think is necessary. It's just happened, at least with us.
With CS:GO still being a relatively new game, do you believe simply playing more hours still gives players a clear advantage?
It will for sure help, but everything is going to count: everyone's hunger to win, teamplay, etc.
Everyone is anxiously waiting to see cogu in action once again, years since your last appearance in 2008(2009?). How does your current form compare to what people are expecting from the CS 1.6 times?
I hope I can do my best like I did in 2006, but my AWP is so inconsistent right now that i can't promise that much.
What have you been doing since retiring from competitive CS? Have you played any games since then for fun or were you without playing altogether for a period of time?
I was attending university and working towards becoming a lawyer, I was not playing any games. I also want to say thanks to everybody who is supporting us: ProGaming and Lipe who made this all possible, SBG who is helping us a lot and Razer who gave us the best gear on the market. Last but not least, Inferno Online who helped me every time I came here, thanks so much guys!

Stay tuned to HLTV.org for more interviews prior to ESWC 2012, as we still have ones with members of mousesports, NiP and VeryGames in the works on top of full coverage of the event itself.

Tags: cogu

by: jur4k
#1
cogu best
2012-10-28 15:53:40
...


NOT
2012-10-28 16:03:22
beast?
2012-10-28 16:15:49
and...


NOT!
2012-10-28 16:17:06
oh cmon :)

was a beast?

Post edited 2012-10-28 16:18:00
2012-10-28 16:17:49
YES!
2012-10-28 16:18:30
Thank you
2012-10-28 16:18:50
xDD ah these germans trolling as a hobby :P
2012-10-28 18:06:09
+1
2012-10-28 21:22:36
c'mon

Gay ?
2012-10-29 18:57:32
hater ? ''--
2012-10-28 16:33:34
Nope, just true fact.
2012-10-28 16:44:38
he never lost to a German team ''--
2012-10-28 16:48:13
whaaaaaat the HELLLLL?
2012-10-28 16:48:53
this is a true fact :)
2012-10-28 16:51:37
proof or it was happen? xD
2012-10-28 16:53:32
can search anywhere :)
2012-10-28 16:57:06
cogu not played
2012-10-28 17:58:32
"Made in Brazil - bit, btt, cky, fnx & ton"

cogu wasn't playing.
2012-10-28 20:31:01
nice try =]
2012-10-28 21:23:28
#66
2012-10-28 18:18:18
new map


haha i'm kidding but MIBR STRONK

Post edited 2012-10-28 18:17:08
2012-10-28 18:16:42
hahahaha, too much excuses, nope? xD
2012-10-28 18:17:54
:D
mouz was 2strong in 2008
but mibr beat mouz in gamegune 2008
mibr prime was 2006/07



Post edited 2012-10-28 18:20:27
2012-10-28 18:20:07
ty mate ;D
2012-10-28 18:56:00
*-*
2012-10-28 21:24:43
by: jz-
#109
off course best

cogu > all 4ever 1.6 and now cs:go
2012-10-28 19:25:41
oki oki brazilian fanboy.
2012-10-28 19:27:01
ok ok german hater
2012-10-28 21:24:58
Simply the best EVER.
2012-10-28 16:17:42
Very overated :/
2012-10-28 16:33:07
he can be overated but not overrated
2012-10-28 16:39:24
but he is overrated as hell by guys like you
2012-10-28 16:45:16
you don't know me
so shut up
2012-10-28 16:49:01
don't be mad, my darling
2012-10-28 16:49:54
gay
2012-10-29 21:22:03
he's one of the top 5 best awpers of all time. if you don't understand that, then you need to go into the archives and watch his demos. nobody that actually watched him play for mibr would ever call him overrated, so i'm guessing you never really watched him play.
2012-10-28 16:54:27
I'm spectatin' CS since 2006.
2012-10-28 17:17:28
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#62
then you don't understand cs very well if you don't know he is easily a top3 awper in the history of the game
2012-10-28 18:03:38
ok, I respect your opinion very much, at least cuz you're pro player. But I really think that he is overrated too much by .br fans. For sure he is not bad at all, but he is not that great as some guys trying to make of him. srsly. :/
2012-10-28 18:17:04
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#74
http://www.fragbite.se/?blogID=9&postID=308

many people who played against him say he's the best ever, including me. if you're the best in the history of a game, how can you be overrated?
2012-10-28 18:20:43
Many, but not all. So he is not the best. I'd prefer players like Markeloff, Friis or Walle instead of him.

If you ask me about americans - fRoD was better too, in my opinion.

Post edited 2012-10-28 18:22:46
2012-10-28 18:22:10
sorry but you cannot understand about cs more than pro players. i can say that fallen >> friis about @skill, especially 2009/2010

froD was totally owned in WCG Pan by fallen.

Post edited 2012-10-28 18:28:24
2012-10-28 18:27:27
sorry but you are fanboy too much. (no offence)

Post edited 2012-10-28 18:28:22
2012-10-28 18:28:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KZBprFq_1U

tell me somethings about the video

Post edited 2012-10-28 18:29:15
2012-10-28 18:28:56
by: bitf
#84
stop talk to the angry.
Better to talk to a tree or a stone
2012-10-28 18:31:47
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#85
i'm not sure if you're trolling or if you're just not very smart, but polling former cs players is by no means a definite answer.

markeloff was en route to becoming a better awper, but i don't think he played long enough to become better. you have to realize cogu carried his team like no one else in cs.

walle's best awping years were prior to the awp update, basically in his cs movies. he was never an amazing awper in top teams.

friis isn't as good as markeloff, therefore doesn't compare. cogu carried his team, friis is just another good player in his.

frod was very good in the past and to an extent also carried his teams in u5/col, but once again, he didn't have the longevity of cogu.

regarding what the brazilian said, i do think fallen and friis are at least very and neck and neck, fallen could be better too.

friis is a top level awper, no question about it, but when a team is entirely built around him (anexis) he couldn't win vs top teams, let alone entire tournaments. cogu did.
2012-10-28 18:33:28
Ok Sir... :s I think this guy is mad or hater :D

Post edited 2012-10-28 18:41:16
2012-10-28 18:40:57
I think markeloff played enough to be named in such way. And I think friis is good core of team, not that bad at least. But okay, 100 people = 100 opinions. :]
2012-10-28 18:45:24
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#100
fnatic's play isn't in any way built around friis, they could do just fine with karrigan awping or having 5 riflers. teams were always built around the likes cogu and frod
2012-10-28 18:52:44
i think :D
1st. walle
2nd. frod
3rd. markeloff
4th. cogu
5th. friis
2012-10-29 19:02:57
by:
#89
lool just go hide yourself.
2012-10-28 18:42:20
And why should I hide myself? Because of retarded blind fanboys like you?
2012-10-28 18:43:08
by:
#94
Yea like dsn, lurppis and shit like that. lol
2012-10-28 18:43:42
+1 hahahahahaha
2012-10-28 19:18:52
win +1
2012-10-28 21:30:30
#94
2012-10-28 19:18:40
Leave him alone, guys. He's just a German King of Jealous.
2012-10-28 19:52:55
German Kid*
2012-10-28 21:15:58
+1
2012-10-28 21:30:52
Kid? What a joke...
2012-10-29 11:50:48
o yeah, nice correct! KID I MEANT MID
2012-10-29 12:51:29
and neo is overrated by polish fans?? dude plz stop talking bullshit
2012-10-31 16:10:13
lurppis sucking brazlian cocks( pau brasil) , no i play cs even before u , and i can easily say that COGU WASNT TOP3 AWPER OF ALL TIME
2012-10-28 18:43:00
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#96
having started before me in no way guarantees you know more about it than i do ^^
2012-10-28 18:44:45
lurppis, probably soon playArt will play against GH in MAC 2012 finals.
would be cool if you guys put like hot match.

GH (kNg,fv,mch,lrz and rikz)
pA (bit, elll, fnx, shemp, fallen)

now GH will play semi-finals against suap.

http://www.teamplay.com.br/view.php?not_id=10011

Post edited 2012-10-28 19:15:45
2012-10-28 19:14:22
#104
2012-10-28 19:20:30
you play?
you probably can't kill xisco
2012-10-28 18:45:10
ROFLD SO HARD. H@H@H@H@H@
2012-10-28 18:59:57
by: zzN
#114
MAD cuz nobody said nothing about foxj??
u pt guys never learn...always hating..
just bcuz u guys never had a good player..
cogu the best , cheers.
2012-10-28 19:50:53
You got owned by #62 lurppis lol
2012-10-29 01:04:40
Nah mate.
2012-10-29 11:50:09
First of all, I stopped reading your hating comments about cogu when you stated that you're following CS scene since 2006, this means that you can't and you don't have a clue about what you're saying and about what is cs...

Then i thought, whatever it is... your opnion against lurpis, dsn, approx, bsl, carn, zonic and many others pro players is not something to be considered.

Last, but not least, was shameful and you should feel ashamed.

Post edited 2012-10-29 14:40:44
2012-10-29 14:39:55
+1
2012-10-28 16:44:45
by: bitf
#53
The truth. Cogu and neo the 2 best players. German guy is angry and jealous, let the angry german kid cry hahahaha.
2012-10-28 17:39:56
what a bullshit.
2012-10-28 18:23:24
by: bitf
#83
angry angry angryyy, dont explode! noo dont die!
2012-10-28 18:31:00
LOOOL

Post edited 2012-10-28 18:41:38
2012-10-28 18:40:26
No, im not angry at all ...
2012-10-28 18:42:34
Many say CS:S players had an advantage in switching to CS:GO, do you agree? Has the game been out long enough for it to even out?

Well, I think so, CS:S players have a little bit of an advantage because it's kind of a similar game, but in my opinion 1.6 players have more experience.
2012-10-28 15:56:35
What's the point in copying a part of the interview into comments?
2012-10-30 11:27:53
nice
2012-10-28 15:56:35
gl gl
2012-10-28 15:58:05
by: RayX
#5
COGU!!!!
2012-10-28 15:58:55
go TD!
n1 cogu
2012-10-28 16:01:00
by: n0vaP
#8
COGU!!!!
2012-10-28 16:03:53
nice interview :)
Im play versus him on dm, He's not good like in 1.6 :]]
2012-10-28 16:04:48
Because you can obviously tell ones skill by how he plays in a DM server.
2012-10-28 16:11:40
+1000
2012-10-28 16:51:31
by: bitf
#54
I can tell the aim skill, and it counts alot.
2012-10-28 17:41:16
you can tell the current aim skill that doesnt neccesary means players give their 100percent everytime they play deathmatch?
2012-10-28 18:10:36
by:
#93
hltv experts you know...
2012-10-28 18:43:11
cogu s2
2012-10-28 16:06:15
coguuuuuu
2012-10-28 16:06:29
gl cogumelo. :)
2012-10-28 16:08:27
coguuuuuuuu :-D
2012-10-28 16:11:29
awesome
2012-10-28 16:12:43
good luck brazilian fellows..
2012-10-28 16:16:24
cogu!
2012-10-28 16:19:17
With practice and patience everything becomes great... gl hf cogu!!
2012-10-28 16:22:11
gl TD
2012-10-28 16:27:43
I hope he'll put up an intresting show
2012-10-28 16:28:06
when is the eswc
2012-10-28 16:28:44
tomorrow.
fast im leave to my home to take you and go togheter in ESWC, waiting me mate
2012-10-28 16:35:24
coguuu =D
2012-10-28 16:31:26
professional soccer player h@h@h@h@
2012-10-28 16:34:59
im excited for ESWC, I wanna see noobs without brain\aim\gameplay\skills owns top teams ^_^
2012-10-28 16:36:15
there are no noobs on ESWC -_______________-
2012-10-30 16:07:04
game GO sux
2012-10-28 16:36:32
GL
2012-10-28 16:46:46
top 3 1.6 awp ever .
2012-10-28 16:48:43
not even close
2012-10-28 17:34:55
the best by dsn
2012-10-28 17:56:12
and?
2012-10-28 18:26:32
and no one better than awp legend from sweden to say about the best awp...
2012-10-28 18:41:40
+1 not even close
2012-10-28 18:26:21
by: jz-
#110
I'm laughing a lot with their idiotic comments, you should get a girlfriend and go out a little computer, fagot boy!
2012-10-28 19:26:49
stop arguing, blind fan... :/
2012-10-28 19:27:23
by:
#95
I can't even name someone better.
2012-10-28 18:44:35
I can name Markeloff, Walle, Friis.

And I think guys like fRoD/shaGuar are better too.
2012-10-29 11:51:33
by:
#149
lol I won't even bother. markeloff was just good since 2010 and guess what? He was around in the scene for much longer.

walle yea that's arguable.

Friis? loooool check the statement for markeloff, and he is even lower.

fRoD, just like walle it's arguable.

shaGuar meh I don't believe he has reached walle/fRoD/cogu's level.
2012-10-29 22:46:27
nice GO COGU!
2012-10-28 17:37:16
cogu da legend!
2012-10-28 17:46:37
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
123.2 hrs / 428.2 hrs

cogu's hours
2012-10-28 17:55:43
cogu playing the underdog role here
bet he can take down some big names next week


gogogogog cogu!
2012-10-28 17:58:07
I'm more and more confident Cogu will absolutely not see the changes to the game he wants. Valve seems happy with CS:GO as it is, eventhough it doesn't make any sense at all...
2012-10-28 18:01:38
by: romp
#69
nice coguuuu!
2012-10-28 18:17:29
1.markeloff
2.walle
3.shaGuar/cogu/Sunde


top3 awp easy.

Post edited 2012-10-28 18:29:30
2012-10-28 18:29:16
frod?
2012-10-28 19:22:54
COGU ! <3
2012-10-28 18:50:22
cogu the best <3
2012-10-28 19:11:09
by: jz-
#112
cogu let´s GO :D
2012-10-28 19:27:08
zqk - snorlax

hahahah :D
2012-10-28 20:18:21
COGU THE BEST PLAYER IN ESWC
2012-10-28 20:55:46
cogu > foxj
2012-10-28 21:10:16
good interview
2012-10-28 21:24:15
There are tons of haters of cogu here, wow
2012-10-28 21:34:58
a lot of hours played by cogu&co

2012-10-28 21:54:20
zqk <3 :D
2012-10-28 22:32:27
TargeTDown and Cogu are going for the most importants tournaments in 2013.

Those two (DH ,ESWC) will be just the first ones.

So,he will be back ,you can bet he will.

Just give time !!!
2012-10-29 00:19:30
Cogu and Markeloff = best awpers ever

Can't decide who's top 1...
2012-10-29 01:17:10
and walle?
2012-10-31 23:24:15
walle wasn't even cited in a pool where many pro players chose who's the best awp of all times. But for me he's top3 for sure.
2012-11-01 14:38:38
For me, its a big mistake. http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/27898-walle_Wins_..
2012-11-02 00:01:23
Well, this kind of poll is like a competition, I don't like this poll format, it's not fair.

As I said, I'm not saying Walle wasn't good. But for me Cogu and Markeloff are better.
2012-11-02 00:10:24
yea, i got it. Its your opinion, i respect that =D
2012-11-02 12:40:15
everyone who thinks that cogu is overrated, never saw him playing

Post edited 2012-10-29 01:53:58
2012-10-29 01:53:17
I started reading all those comments replying #1, still can't believe those ppl wasted all sunday afternoon on a meaningless discussion about awp players started by a 12yo german kid.

Btw, cogu is far from being the same, I played vs them last month and he was far from being a threat, but as cogu said: steel is "the killer", he simply destroyed us.

Let's see how much cogu will improve tranining at Inferno Online, I'm looking forward to see them in action.

Post edited 2012-10-29 02:39:20
2012-10-29 02:35:34
German kid? I'm not a kid. Look my profile, Mr.Bigman.
2012-10-29 11:52:45
your profile :
Player: markellof
Team: Na'vi

you're ukranian

BYE
2012-10-29 11:56:50
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! +1 ASHUAHSUAHS
2012-10-30 22:33:47
No, I'm not.
2012-11-10 13:18:11
Rofl dude, i did a big mistake by taking cogu in Dreamteam, lost my rank :(. And MIBR lost so badly :(. I think Germans are doing good :). All the best to Brazilians.
2012-11-02 11:47:42
Rofl, dude Cogu is a decent awper and not the best don't compare him with Neo. Have u watched old matches of MIBR, they lost badly many tourneys. Thats the reason they shut MIBR down. Cogu is a very good awper, but he never had a chance to play against markeloff or Delpan. Marekeloff would have pawned him, lol. Regardiing German team. I think attax team was good, and recently mousesports did play decently, they also did beat ESC gaming recently in 1.6. We all respect all teams, but cogu cant be the best mate. He is in top 30, I would say not in top 10. The recent cs plrs are more talented and sharper than compared to plrs of 2000s
2012-10-29 15:14:21
You said MIBR Cogu never lost to Germans, dude dont be a blind fan. Please read in the year 2005, they lost to mousesports. For demo:
http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/demos/12194/
And also there are many occasions where MIBR was knocked in group stages of main tourneys.
August 26, 2008 ESWC 2008 Group A2, MIBR lost badly to mouz in group stages. //www.gotfrag.com/cs/demos/24975/.
Also in 2006 they lost again in losers bracket. http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/demos/8858/?dl=8936f2596.. I always liked spectating Cogu, walle, frod maging in those days. But when mTw Sunde came he changed it totally, he became best. Again after few days markeloff came and became no1, who is still the best. Lets see how Cogu performs in CSGO that will decide.
2012-10-29 15:54:10
Ns search man...
2012-10-30 22:34:31
"reply" is more easy bro
2012-10-31 16:21:15
Ty bro
2012-10-31 23:23:56
lol
mibr primes = 2006, 2007, not 2005/04
2012-11-01 03:14:00
Omg primes during 2005 -2006, what big tourneys the won? Please paste it here, even I wanna know more. Ty.
2012-11-01 17:39:35
i'm talking about 2006 and 2007
they won ESWC vs fnatic
DH vs SK
shOgopen vs Pentagram
2012-11-01 18:08:19
2006-07 was the prime. I remember a game in 2007, where the MiBR won the PGS (with the same line up as always, but with LUq), and the Brazilians won by 16-1. Maybe the best performance I've ever seen of MiBR
2012-11-02 04:34:29
i remember, gamegune 2007 in de_nuke :D
2012-11-02 11:08:04
CHUPEM AWPERRR!
2012-10-29 20:12:53
ZQK
2012-10-29 23:46:30
Steeel
2012-10-30 07:58:59
+11111111111111111111
2012-10-30 07:59:09
+1
2012-10-31 19:45:01
COgu
2012-11-01 03:09:05
Rofl dude, i did a big mistake by taking cogu in Dreamteam, lost my rank :(. And MIBR lost so badly :(. I think Germans are doing good :). All the best to Brazilians.
2012-11-02 11:47:19

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