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Can you please show me how you calculated the exact 95%
2016-04-26 17:08
it's a fuckin veeedeo game
2016-04-26 17:15
Such a subjective topic. I think anyone should be punished for their crimes, and it should fit. I don't think the punishment fits the crime in this case. Banning for a year, reimbursing every account associated with the match, and even adding some charity work on top of it to turn a negative into something better. That's a more fitting punishment. There's a sports term in college football called the death penalty. That was a lesser sentence than what happened to IBP, and the NCAA will never do it again due to the detriment it caused.
2016-04-26 18:49
a year? Ez throw once in a year then = ez money for a year
2016-04-27 03:18
1st offense one year..?
2016-04-27 10:07
still worth
2016-04-28 07:58
I think the punishement fits perfectly but I think cheating should be causing a livetime ban too..
2016-04-27 10:14
So why the pressure to bring the fuckers back? They got off lightly by just being banned from a video game. Don't forget they are treacherous fucks who set out in advance to rip suckers off. It's not a big enough crime to merit much of a prison sentence, say, but getting kicked out of CS:GO for life? Sure. Become DOOM pros or, even better, just fuck off out of gaming.
2016-04-27 03:31
LOL a prison sentence for items that have "no value" as stated in Valve's ToS. Please continue to ride the bandwagon you fucking moron. How many skins did you lose from that match?
2016-04-27 03:45
man so many kids lost their dads credit card this day...
2016-04-28 09:45
+999999999999
2016-04-28 02:05
i think we're too many for 5%
2016-04-26 17:19
agreed. fuck em, they deserve their ban!
2016-04-26 17:39
hahahahaaaa
2016-04-26 17:29
y=100-x where x is the amount of people doesnt want them to play so x = 5: y = 100 - 5 = 95%
2016-04-26 17:45
+1
2016-04-27 02:17
#325
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Iceland Iceland
Are you einstein?
2016-04-27 03:11
95 =/= 95% idiot
2016-04-28 08:06
67% of statistics are made up on the spot
2016-04-26 22:21
Unban these guys, they know what they did wrong and their willing to do good. Come on Volvo
2016-04-27 02:40
tbh they should get a second chance cmon.. they had some really good players and they could compete in eu, swag is also one of my top favourites also seeing steel playing overwatch is just depressing
2016-04-26 17:09
No they shouldn't. I don't want to be a dick but they just simply shouldn't. "they had some really good players and they could compete in eu" "swag is also one of my top favourites" "seeing steel playing overwatch is just depressing" None of these are a good reason or a reason in general to uplift their bans. I'm saying this again. I don't want to be a dick and i think they are cool guys and what you said might be true that they could actually compete in eu but they knew exactly what they did and these are the consequences that you get when you fuck up. sucks but it is what it is.
2016-04-26 17:17
don't bet on them when they will be unbanned, simple They should have second chance.... end.
2016-04-26 17:21
"don't bet on them when they will be unbanned, simple" dafuq kind of logic is this? :D And i never did bet on them. And please give a good reason why they should deserve a second chance?
2016-04-26 17:22
Because they shouldn't be perma banned for 1 match. Okay they throw but c'mon, seriously, every single team is/was doing that but noone caught them, that's the diffrience. They didn't cheat so they should have second chance
2016-04-26 17:25
:'D lol
2016-04-26 17:26
":'D lol" you didn't say anything smart, you can only copy what someone said, you have no reasons to keep them banned so shut the fuck up
2016-04-27 08:23
1 no rule 2 first team to do it
2016-04-26 17:26
first team to do it because the other weren't stupid enough to try because they knew the consequence would be hard from valve , which it was , you're still talking about unban when valve said perma ban kinda funny
2016-04-26 17:29
Perm bans can still be lifted.
2016-04-26 17:32
no.. it can't.. do you know what permanent means ?
2016-04-26 17:41
Some people get VAC banned (which is permanently) and get unbanned because of a mistake So yes permanent bans are always liftable, doesn't matter if it's automatic or a non-automatic ban
2016-04-26 17:58
you are missing the point, valve made a statement saying that their ban is permanent.. meaning they aren't gonna reverse it.. Vacbans can get lifted because the party banned has been proven innocent of given claims of cheating. how the hell are you gonna prove ibp innocent of matchfixing.. they admitted it after they got banned (got found out..)
2016-04-26 18:04
Well on the other hand, we are talking about Valve, a very unpredictable company that executes random decisions. So even if the chance is extremely small that IBP gets unbanned, it's still there
2016-04-26 18:29
lets agree to disagree, i doubt we will see eye to eye on this one.
2016-04-26 18:58
It can, because Valve do what they want. Which also means that it can't, lol.
2016-04-26 17:59
Do you live in a world where nothing bad happens?, beacuse ibp was not the first team to throw.
2016-04-26 17:47
they were caught , and valve deal with them , what could have been the best decision in this case ? it's perma ban , valve did good to prevent the other of doing so. For the nothing bad happens , in your world it's valve at falut not ibp ? :D the bad thing is that they stole from they fans and others valve gave justice by perma ban , pretty simple
2016-04-26 17:51
As far as the whole discussion goes for days now, the number of ppl that are 'for' and 'against' ex-IBP unban is very even and tbh we cant definitely say if Valve's decision was either 'Righteous/undeniable/undebatable' or 'Totally wrong/harsh/too strict/unjustified' because the truth is always somewhere in the middle. On the one hand ex-IBP guys did something horribly wrong (and stupid) as a result ruining their csgo careers, on the other hand Valve perm banned them straight away, which for many ppl seemed to be too harsh of a punishment. And if you flip the coin again there are ppl which talk unsupported biased bs like "yeaa fuck those guys, lying greedy scumbags fuck those people". Well anyway IMO ex-ibp did something that just had to be punished in one way or another, maybe there was another way to solve this case, maybe not exactly perm banning the players and having things sorted out. We don't know. But Valve is Valve, overall its their game, and they can do whatever the fuck they want with it.
2016-04-26 18:44
exactly , but the problem here is not valve its dazed and steel who don't accept the punishment.
2016-04-26 18:49
I think the problem right now is somewhere in between. On the one hand are dazed and steel who don't accept the punishment + one half of the community that supports them. And on the other hand we've got Valve with the rest of community. Yet still Valve has the upper hand nonetheless.
2016-04-26 18:53
valve needed an example, they caught ibp with proof now , if you give a second chance to ibp it means second chance to everyone who got banned from major and also would be a precedent and i'm pretty sure valve don't want to set one
2016-04-27 02:40
Yea by banning them Valve just established the rules straight away for any futher 'attempts' to do likewise :)
2016-04-27 09:48
for now it worked pretty well ;)
2016-04-27 14:48
#315
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United States hehexddd
They weren't the first team to do it. Tons of EU pros admitted that they knew of matches that were fixed, they just didn't get caught.
2016-04-27 02:30
that was not the subject , i'm pretty sure if you read all my post you will find "valve caught them" somewhere , also who are you referring to about tons of EU ?
2016-04-27 02:36
#345
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United States hehexddd
Well I don't keep a list handy but the one I remember the most was Taz. He talked about IBP and how their situation sucks because it was happening in EU, but they just happened to be the first to get caught. I'm pretty sure you can find the interview on youtube.
2016-04-27 06:27
well you said tons of EU , and you give 1 example , about taz are you talking about vp against ldlc ? because that situation is not the same as ibp
2016-04-27 14:31
#378
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United States hehexddd
What? Nono Taz wasn't talking about any specific teams. He declined to name any names, but said that match-fixing was happening in Europe but there were no penalties because nothing was investigated. You're right though, I should have said several and not tons. What I meant was that tons of EU players have said that IBP players should be unbanned.
2016-04-27 20:12
well from what you know , don't you think perma ban is the best option in the end ?
2016-04-27 20:17
#381
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United States hehexddd
Nah. I'd say 18 month to 2 year ban would suffice. Keep in mind how much happens per year in cs:go. So many events missed, the whole game has changed so much. I mean, you know how much has happened in csgo in the past year, and missing 2 years of that is already a terrible fate.
2016-04-27 21:33
They essentially got banned for no reason, csgolounge is not sponsored by valve +Swag is a really good player, he is pretty much N°1 NA aimer(or used to be) DaZeD and steel are good igls and they could get some t5 teams to be t2. +they didn't know the consequences as valve didn't say anything about throwing in rules.
2016-04-26 22:11
It is illegal by law. If you look at other sports when there is proof of match fixing, the people involved sometimes go to jail and if not there are big fines. I think a ban, no matter how long, is quite mild in this sense. I hope you agree that it makes sense that professional players should know not to break the law and that there might be consequences when breaking the law.
2016-04-26 23:11
there is no actual rules against it and the currency used in betting has no real value. but yes just like in other sports :D
2016-04-28 08:57
not sure why you're trying to justify why these players should be banned permanently when other teams match fix on a regular basis and get away with it.
2016-04-26 17:21
"when other teams match fix on a regular basis and get away with it." I never said anything about any other team? If there are other teams that matchfix they should get what ever punishment is set to place in the rules. srsly... try.
2016-04-26 17:24
They have been banned for ~18 months already, they should get a chance. No point in keeping them banned at this point, makes no sense. No one would risk his career to get a 18-24 months ban nowadays considering teams are salaried and how far developed the tournament are rn compared to back then, and anyway if anyone in the low tier scene would want to throw a game he will do it with real money and not skins like it used to be back then, no way for VALVE to track that. The whole point of valve in keeping them banned to mantain the integrity makes no sense at this point.
2016-04-26 17:30
no point in unbanning them either, everyone expecting some miracle and that they could actually compete right now is crazy... they have been out of the pro scene almost 2 years, ibp would be similiar to c9... aka fucking awful.
2016-04-26 18:03
Ok, they would be awful... but who cares if they would be godlike or awful?, the point is in being able to play again.
2016-04-26 18:05
no point complaining about a perma ban , dazed should grow up and learn his lessons
2016-04-27 02:43
they arent dumb enough to get caught like the idiots ion IBP did tho. IBP is fucked, they were made examples of for a reason. Not to mention it brought so much attention to CSGO, its probably the biggest piece of journalism to come thru the scene in the recent years. Valve is loving every post about this, just more free marketing
2016-04-26 17:30
you realize the 3 quotes you took from my comment werent actual reasons right? they were personal thoughts about the team i wasnt trying to spill out reasons but whatever retards being retarded nothing new here
2016-04-26 17:28
Talking about retards.
2016-04-26 17:31
yeah you popped like a zit
2016-04-26 21:55
#197
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Vietnam piem0l
They didnt know they would get a ban for life When they trow it. Valve made a example out of them. They learned their lessen tbh. And so did every other pro clan. Free them plz
2016-04-26 18:07
in this case they should have a second chance, what they did it isnt unforgivable... and they already paid the consequeits like hitting a teacher in school and never be aloud to be in school again
2016-04-26 21:38
#277
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United States Zebruh
They did not understand the consequences. There was no rule or anything about the repercussions of throwing a game and being caught
2016-04-26 22:14
Yes, they should, that shit was supposed to be punished by fines, warnings, limited bans etc, the rules weren't even in place because valve didn't give af about esports enough to think about it so they panicked and permabanned everyone they could. Fuck valve, fuck you and fuck your bitch ass mother, the argument is old and everything is ez to figure out, but not for you I guess
2016-04-28 10:15
nub :)
2016-04-28 12:03
they should just deal with it and go to real job, thats all, its not depressing that he is playing overwatch, depressing is that he cant accept that he fucked up and he cant move on, he should move on year ago and go to real job
2016-04-26 17:23
''they should just deal with it and go to real job'' Even trying to get a real job will be fucked up for them. Just go and make a quick research on their names on google. Employers would reject them 99/100 times. Shit went too far for them.
2016-04-26 17:33
no they wouldnt lol
2016-04-26 17:33
If an employer in a serious job in a decent company qualifies you as an option for him to hire you, he will do a research on you for sure, and their story isn't specifically appealing. Unless you are working on some shitty ass job that no one cares about who you are (bad jobs) you will have some hard times searching if you are one of the ex-ibp squad.
2016-04-26 17:36
it doesnt work like that lol
2016-04-26 17:37
How old are you mate?
2016-04-26 17:37
23 and i know how this shit works and it would be really easy for them to find decent job with optimist future career, but they cant just deal with it
2016-04-26 17:38
They can ofc, never said the can't. But it won't an easy task for them at this point. See the difference?
2016-04-26 17:39
They should at least try
2016-04-26 17:39
why? They make plenty off streaming.
2016-04-26 19:26
#333
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Iceland Iceland
He is good in overwatch so why is it depressing?
2016-04-27 03:30
he is not so good i might be too used to watch seagull play but when i watch steel all he does is die
2016-04-27 14:25
#380
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Iceland Iceland
Its a new game tho he will get pro at the game at some point if he wants too.
2016-04-27 21:11
no doubt
2016-04-28 20:01
#3
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Slovakia durky1
Volvo pls FeelsBadMan
2016-04-26 17:10
fuck him
2016-04-26 17:10
+1
2016-04-26 22:58
#5
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Germany 'ezpz
95 % of NA want them to get unbanned because their scene could get better again. These guys deserve the bans and should be stay banned.
2016-04-26 17:11
No they don't, they have been punished enough..
2016-04-26 17:17
Agreed
2016-04-26 17:19
for you maybe ,valve confirmed perma ban and if he gets unban all the players banned for major would be unban so not happening
2016-04-26 17:22
The problem isn't that they are banned from majors, all other leagues have them banned aswell..
2016-04-26 17:32
No, they are only banned from valve events
2016-04-26 17:38
Esea etc also have them banned afaik.
2016-04-26 17:39
they can pug on esea, cevo, faceit but not play any leagues.
2016-04-26 17:49
they can pug but cant be part of any valve events tho
2016-04-26 18:35
they're not banned from all leagues ,they just choose to don't get in.What they want now is money from stickers and huge salary since csgo now is doing quite well , so he's crying , valve told him a few times it's perma ban so he should move on instead of crying every now and then
2016-04-26 17:45
Please name a league that they aren't banned from? All the other organisations have banned them as well... Some of them can't even compete at local LANs
2016-04-26 20:41
do some research and you'll find a few
2016-04-26 20:42
I think you need to do your research bud... They're banned from ESEA/faceit/CEVO/ESL. Feel free to prove me wrong, they've already stated previously that they can't compete.
2016-04-26 20:43
tell that to valve :> kappa
2016-04-26 17:38
German cs kinda sucks so stfu
2016-04-26 17:21
you come across as very uneducated on this matter.
2016-04-26 17:35
FCKING GLAWKS
2016-04-26 17:11
Gotta love the people who hate and when dazed replies, they act like little fanboying fags ROFL.
2016-04-26 17:11
well some guy wrote about why dazed cant make a team and work for play on non-valve tourneys (hes not banned everywhere for ever right only at valve tourneys) with steel swag + add some fresh blood into this and that could work actually
2016-04-26 17:12
2016-04-26 17:12
+1 hope they'll reach an agreement
2016-04-26 17:14
a step forward what , valve said perma ban , he's crying like a gambler addict who need coins or skins , he's trying to discuss now when he know he's fucked
2016-04-26 17:18
I don't think they deserved a ban, but it was, theoretically, theft. And obviously, since it was the first time it ever happened (as far as I know), Valve had to make an example out of someone. I miss their stickers being cheap tho.
2016-04-26 17:12
It's not theft. According to Valves terms of agreement you accept when making the Steam account, you own none of the virtual items/games not even the account itself. Pixels moving from one of Valve's "properties" to another isn't theft. You've zero ownership of anything on Steam.
2016-04-26 17:49
Here comes the comments from idiots who think they should be banned for life because of some meaningless online game and when there were no rules on illegal betting sites in the first place.
2016-04-26 17:12
They should be banned for life. Maybe also post pictures of their faces on popular websites and newpapers to humiliate them.
2016-04-26 17:16
ahah +1
2016-04-26 17:24
That's already happening somehow, just go to google and search ''sam marine'', dazed or ''Josua nissan'', steel... you will find out information about how they fucked up. That's fucked up cuz it will affect their own private life also when for example they search for a job or something.
2016-04-26 17:25
#92
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Finland D3dust
u an idiot
2016-04-26 17:34
German.
2016-04-26 17:50
#357
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Europe skelteR
If the online game is meaningless, why care you are banned for life? You idiots don't realize you are talking from your perspective. The game is meaningless for you, because you don't make shit our of it. Pro players from the top teams win big money, 200k+ a year. It's not meaningless for them, it's their job, they are professional players. They pissed on the spirit of competition, on their job by throwing a game and they received the punishment deserved. Nothing more
2016-04-27 10:17
well these guys were not even salaried at the time + very limited options on cashing out the skins. only reason they r in this shit is coz R.lewis doesnt understand that u never crucify fucking starplayers but low tier scrubs. why not bust some of the even more blatant throws like TORNADOTONI and co? happened around same time and would have been forgotten by community in 2days meanwhile still example for all the proplayers what r the consiquences.
2016-04-28 09:30
I'm sure some teams still throw for skins but iBP was dumb enough to make it so obvious. "i wanted to knife" LMAOOOO they're never getting unbanned and I'm glad. revoking the ban would mean that you can get away with thievery.
2016-04-26 17:13
Getting away how? They serverd a year ban
2016-04-26 17:21
Accepting them back would mean that you forgive them for stealing skins, which would make a part of the community mad. I know why people feel sorry for them but it had to be done. If CS really wants to regarded as a serious e-sport, they'll have to take these measures so that they aren't repeated again. KQLY's controversy killed Titan organisation and left a dark spot on the community and the whole CS scene in general. Similarly, iBP damaged the reputation of the scene by committing a theft.
2016-04-26 17:26
Lol they didnt sell them for there own money they didnt even have opskins back then so you telling me if you steal something from a shop you will go to jail for the rest of your life? No..
2016-04-26 17:29
Skins cost real money and they stole skins i.e. real money. Are you really that dumb?
2016-04-26 17:32
Skins cost steam money
2016-04-26 17:34
They dont count skins as real money if they did the goverment would of banned the csgo betting
2016-04-26 17:36
cause obama owns the internet and shit
2016-04-26 18:35
#106
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Finland D3dust
there were no rules back then of betting against yourself. and btw u don't get a lifetime ban or go to jail for the rest of ur life if u steal something
2016-04-26 17:36
Let's say that you're profession is law. You're a top lawyer and one day, you get exposed for bribing a judge. What would be justice? Bar council will revoke your license and you'll never be competent to practise law. Replace lawyer with pro cs player law with cs bar council with valve bribing with throwing skins
2016-04-26 17:40
The comparison doesn't work because A: Skins are not real currency B: The situation is completely different C: There are clearly defined rules for this offense whereas in terms of iBP's ban there weren't. You're an idiot
2016-04-26 17:43
A.Skins can be transferred to real currency, i.e. you can make bank with them. B.It isn't different C.You're a crybaby.
2016-04-26 17:46
A: Valve makes skins. Valve says skins aren't currency. Therefor skins are not currency. B: So you're saying bribery and matchfixing are essentially the same thing? C: Nice counter there, pal. You're obviously a retard who blindly hates for no reason and can't back up anything you say. pls uninstall life
2016-04-26 17:47
I'm not even trying to counter your statements because it's so obvious that you're not mentally sane.
2016-04-26 17:49
I'm not "mentally sane"? You do know that that phrase means right? You really aren't using it correctly in this context, unless something about what I said implies I'm insane, in which case enlighten me.
2016-04-26 17:50
you seem to have way too much time on your hands. I'm off. Dropping this helpine that might come handy for you. autism.com/contact
2016-04-26 17:53
calling other ppl insane meanwhile u believe that pixels have real value :D if some idiot is willing to pay for it doesnt make it real. and no u do not own the skins in ur inventory.
2016-04-28 09:13
that guy is an idiot with his dumbass points but it's technically insider trading, which isn't allowed with the Steam sub agreement
2016-04-26 18:03
#182
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Finland D3dust
you really can't compare a real life crime and a crime in a video game (a game that did not even had a rule against the thing that was done)
2016-04-26 17:57
Its a game lmao and people saying how 15 year old lost skins from this they shouldnt be betting at that age
2016-04-26 19:08
Revoking the ban after a year wouldn't mean they got away with it you fucking idiot, they spent a year without playing competitively. There were no rules about betting in the first place so the ban is unjustified.
2016-04-26 17:22
no need rules to know what you're doing will have consequences " we thought only cevo ban."
2016-04-26 17:26
That's not the point, since there were no rules they didn't have any grounds to ban them on. But since they're a crooked multi billion dollar company they did it anyway.
2016-04-26 17:28
since they was no rules set valve decide players wouldn't be stupid enough to throw , so they took actions and result in perma ban , pretty fair to me.
2016-04-26 17:31
#118
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Finland D3dust
That is why VALVe is stupid, THEY think, they should take actions and fkin make rules about this shit. They should listen instead of think, listen to the community and not give us fkin R8 that nobody uses.
2016-04-26 17:38
no that's why valve did this , they knew matchfixing would be a big problem so they came with a good reason not to throw now. They should listen to what moron like you ? they had a problem and had to find a solution , and it was the perfect one for that problem
2016-04-26 17:48
#185
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Finland D3dust
a perfect fkin solution? Damage the scene, destroy ppl lives and make the community crazy? They should have just simply made a rule about this shit and all ok, no throwing, no drama, no damage to the scene. Ur stupid EDIT: If VALVe ever knew matchfixing will be a problem, they would have made a rule about it, before it happend, same thing cheating. VALVe would't wait until someone spinbots in major and then ban the guy spinobotting, they would try to prevent that shit happening so the scene does not get damaged
2016-04-26 18:00
damage the scene ? so they can do whatever they want ? lel destroy people ? they did it to themselves make community crazy ? it's hltv mate the rules is made now what valve did will prevent any team to take the ibp road for the stupid part , well your argument are fucking bad mate for your edit , the rule is made now , it's not the first time that the first one caught would serve as example , it happens everywhere. The scene seems pretty well now without them , we should keep it like that.
2016-04-26 18:07
#204
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Finland D3dust
Do whatever they want unless they don't want a punishment (lifetime for a single fakin videogame throw is too harsh) The bans destroyed the IBP members lives, they can't play CS:GO competitivly. Community started talking about it, so much drama, so many arguments, too much of everything that happend after the bans. The rules could have made before IBP even thought about this shit, so it wouldn't ever happend, ur arguments and posts are pure shit. Tell me a player/organisation member that got banned before IBP happend in CS:GO. As they mentioned, the thought of getting VEVO banned or whatever that shit was, it was not a VALVe sponsored event, VALVe had nothing to do with the event. If it was a major instead, the lifetime/few year bans were understandable. The scene does not look the way VALVe wants at all tho. There is witchhunting, scamming and everything else. VALVe is 9/10 part of the scene, VALVe can do whatever they want and they have fucked up many times.
2016-04-26 18:17
for you it's harsh , for valve it's the best solution to prevent the other teams to take that road ban destroyed ibp lives , i don't give a fuck mate , they did this to themselves i didn't told them to throw for skins , they can play csgo competitivly , they are playing fpl and esea , they can get in some leagues , they just choose not to. In your country i'm pretty sure when a recent news comes and shocked everyone your goverment will do something against it with a law or something , valve just did the same , valve doesn't manage the betting site , new problem new law that what valve did you are not listenning , ibp got caught with proof , valve decide they don't want those scumbags in they major , it's they choice and a good one if valve did nothing , or 1y ban , do you think the others teams wouldn't throw for skins ? you're pretty naive mate
2016-04-26 18:26
#215
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Finland D3dust
by competitivly I mean by earning money from it or even make a living of it, the very few leagues they can play in is not enough. For valve it was the easiest and fastest solution, but not the best /close
2016-04-26 18:32
it was the best solution for valve , easiest and fastest also they was no point in another solution
2016-04-26 18:39
It was morally incorrect to do such a thing, a sane person would understand this. Thievery is a crime in America. You fangays should be glad that these criminals didn't face court for stealing actual money.
2016-04-26 17:31
They didn't steal actual money, you've shown repeatedly how incredibly dumb you are. This just seals it, they ''stole'' things that had no rules in place at all from illegal sites. Most retards such as yourself like to compare it to things such as throwing a sports game (which there are rules in place and real currency in play) when it's completely irrelevant. The fact you can't grasp that just shows that you're not worth anyone's time and are incredibly thick headed.
2016-04-26 17:36
+1 People are so irrational with the "DaZeD fanboy" shit when they are the ones making the least sense lol
2016-04-26 17:41
If skins were considered real money in the eyes of the law then all gambling sites of csgo would probably be illegal, moron. Stop trying to compare it to real sports and real throws, the comparison doesn't work no matter how you try to phrase it.
2016-04-26 23:22
You understand that people who do illegal shit, they pay the consequences for it. You think by throwing 1 game, they should be banned forever? It's like you stole 700~ dollars from a liquor store and you got life without parole. There should be a time limit for their ban, either it is 1 year ban or 5 years, but there should be one. Scamming someone for 700~ isn't worth a lifetime ban. The people who did bet on them and lost their money, they are bitter, I understand that, but this situation is stupid. What Valve is basically doing here, they are making an example of them. You don't scam matches in CS:GO or you will pay the consequences for it. There have been similar cases in CS:GO , but I don't see them banned for life.
2016-04-26 17:23
wow someone with a brain on HLTV
2016-04-26 18:20
"revoking the ban would mean that you can get away with thievery" No it doesnt. so if man goes jail for thievery and get out after 2 years he get way with it? Punnishment should be with respect to crime. and one throw is not worth life time ban.
2016-04-26 17:31
If you wanna bring stealing into it then it ain't gonna go well for you
2016-04-26 17:32
How are their bans fair? I've seen a pretty accurate analogy for the throw before. It's like losing a little league baseball match on purpose to win valuable baseball trading cards. Banning a team for doing that from the sport forever is just wrong.
2016-04-26 17:38
Tell me how it's theft when you have 0 ownership to anything related to Steam. Not even "your account" is yours as stated in the terms of agreement accepting when registering. None of the skins on the account is yours therefore you're not stealing anything. When you trade items it's basically Steam/Valve moving their pixels from one location to another on their property, like moving your car from your garage to your lawn.
2016-04-26 17:59
They got what they deserved. They got caught... simple. Easy to have remorse when you get caught. I'd rather watch honest player than scumbags, even if it means the skill ceiling isnt as high.
2016-04-26 17:14
Do you know 2nd chance? Do u know who's the scumbag here? Its FUCKING VALVE. They dont put any rules in it and they decided to ban these guys. I mean cmon. Wtf is going on Its stupid how people think they should stay banned. Yes what they did was wrong but they apologized. Steel donate his stream salary to charity also dazed always do giveaway to his followers & subs. Grow up
2016-04-26 17:17
"Yes what they did was wrong but they apologized." I will motorboat your girl's titties and then say sorry. Will you forget about it?
2016-04-26 17:19
Hahah lold at your logic These guys LOSING THEIR JOB just because of one stupid throw that change their entire life. These guys knows the consequences. I want them to see unbanned but with these consequences : - they have to pay $3000 dollar each - they'll never use skin anymore - they have to give their prize money if they qualify for tournament
2016-04-26 17:23
yeah but that's life. Do stupid shit that can kill your career and then cry over it because you were 'immature' to make decisions. I have some sympathy for swag because he might have been bullied into making a decision to throw but sorry. No sympathy for DaZed and others who won't stop whining about how "they'll be better persons in the community".
2016-04-26 17:29
Do You know everyone couldnt be like fallen? because you were 'immature' to make decisions Lol at this. Okay now youre a retard. Million times they said they apologized about the throw they did and they did everything, FUCKING EVERYTHING to get them unbanned. Its their job. Cmon grow up la. Dont be stupid
2016-04-26 17:33
If this makes you emotional, then pls see a doctor. I'm not even kidding.
2016-04-26 17:41
ARE U MAD? OKAY youre a retard based on your previous post. Thats enough for me. No need to argue with kid. Bye
2016-04-26 17:45
Holy shit you are retardedd
2016-04-26 22:16
+1. i laugh reading his comment
2016-04-27 10:44
Think about this. If they never got banned but everyone in the community (not valve) knew they threw just by watching the game. Do you think they would be such "outstanding citizens" as they are now? From reading your reasoning as to why they should be unbanned. I feel like they only got humbled after the ban which is a little too late.
2016-04-27 03:33
#362
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Netherlands Krin
A single big mistake can ruin your career in nearly every single respectable line of work. They made a huge mistake, and it litterally cost them their career. There is nothing wrong with keeping them banned. Apologizing for matchfixing, after they've already been found guilty, should not even be considered a reason for them to be unbanned. They strongly denied everything up untill the point they got banned by Valve.
2016-04-27 10:30
after 18 months. I think he would get over it.
2016-04-26 17:23
Nice analogy... I realized from reading your previous comments you're a pretty stupid person, so you probably can't understand why it doesn't make sense and isn't comparable in the context.
2016-04-26 17:24
Oh sorry I didn't realise that iBP had fangays even after getting banned. Sorry.
2016-04-26 17:33
It's called having a brain... something you clearly lack.
2016-04-26 20:49
#113
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Denmark nsk-
Comparing sexual harassment with matchfixing..... LOL'D
2016-04-26 17:37
I don't see any similarities between both contexts to compare.
2016-04-26 20:36
What confuses me, is how they were not doing it in a valve sanctioned league on an official valve game, phow can they ban them for something that did not happen in their league/major.
2016-04-26 17:20
#41
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Norway SlimeThug
Basically there was never a set of rules established prior to the ban which makes a ban for life even more ludacris
2016-04-26 17:23
But it wasn't in something that valve really has control over, if it was like a major I could see that. But since it is outside of valve's leagues why should they have that right. Say in the nfl, a college team threw a game, the nfl really shouldnt be able to ban them when it was not in their league
2016-04-26 17:26
#63
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Norway SlimeThug
Yeah, I know. Valve are dictators in this case, sadly
2016-04-26 17:28
But VALVE owns the game, no matter where it is played. Pro players are VALVes best marketing assets. I'd be VALVe I would make sure my assets are protected at any cost, as they did in this case by setting an example that will deter people from doing the same in the future.
2016-04-29 22:16
fucking tea maker go back to tea store and make me some. UK scene is crap anyways. IBP was the hope of NA who beat Titan back in days at LAN final. we can have more competetive scene if they get second chance. all we fucking humans deserve second chance no matter what. typical british fag doesnt know shit.
2016-04-26 17:41
Danish people at their best :) Insults at the first occasion because they have nothing constructive to say. Doesnt hurt me as I am not British anyway :D So, by your standards, getting competition for NA is more important than moral and honesty? LIQUID and CLG have done better at Majors than IBP ever did so I am pretty sure NA is fine :) Integrity is the essence of every sport and even if some sports are more tolerant than other, they got what they deserve imo. Allowing them to play would set a precedent. People would think it is ok to do it when it is not. So what? You get banned just over a year for it? Well the next one to do it would make sure the 1 year or so out of the game is worth by conning folks for even more money. Integrity above everything my friend, no matter what.
2016-04-29 22:14
haha.. cmon dazed do something else! it's over.
2016-04-26 17:18
#22
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Norway SlimeThug
OBVIOUSLY a life ban is too long. but really though, it is.
2016-04-26 17:18
as i said many times they deserve 1-2 years max because its first big case. Valve can make a statement and say if any other team from now on throw gets life ban.
2016-04-26 17:32
Well permbans are unreasonable everyone knows that. And im saying that as someone who doesnt even give a shit if these people are banned or not. For example in MMA if you take steroids and therefore cheat which is 10x worse than throwing for some pixels you only get a 1 or 2 years. Even if we exaggerate the bans of the IBP guys then we give them 3 years and thats super harsh in a game like counterstrike where theoretically in 3 years it could be dead so it is like a perma but atleast if the game is still strong in 3 years you get them unbanned. ALmost like life sentence in europe which is 25 years which still is a lot but atleast you have the chance to be a proper part of the community again.
2016-04-26 17:21
They have been banned for ~18 months already, they should get a chance. No point in keeping them banned at this point, makes no sense. No one would risk his career to get a 18-24 months ban nowadays considering teams are salaried and how far developed the tournament are rn compared to back then, and anyway if anyone in the low tier scene would want to throw a game he will do it with real money and not skins like it used to be back then, no way for VALVE to track that. The whole point of valve in keeping them banned to mantain the integrity makes no sense at this point.
2016-04-26 17:21
Even if they get unbanned, im not even sure they'll become ibp again because azk is a pro in overwatch he joined team liquid
2016-04-26 17:23
If they get unbanned, I don't expect them to team up together anyways.
2016-04-26 17:26
I think they would actually, AZK would definitely drop overwatch to come back... you can tell how badly he misses the game.
2016-04-26 20:52
if they get unbanned azk is dropping overwatch.
2016-04-26 17:35
They had no rule set and life ban to long dazed swag and steel are really good players
2016-04-26 17:22
if DaZeD is unbanned his only option would be C9 since swag is locked in with them. n0thing swag shroud Skadoodle DaZeD - sick team
2016-04-26 17:23
Swag has actually quit cs
2016-04-26 17:25
Maybe they should start playing Overwatch, like AZK?
2016-04-26 17:25
this is just sad now. valve just unban them so we can end this pathetic sight plz.
2016-04-26 17:27
I hope he stays banned.
2016-04-26 17:27
Fuck Dazed. Sleep in the bed he made for himself.... If he wasn't such a massive assturd I might have pity on him.
2016-04-26 17:28
#70
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Norway SlimeThug
But why does it matter whether you like the type or not? The facts still doesn't change about how this went down. Try and put fanboying/hating aside and look at the situation instead
2016-04-26 17:30
Well when he says stupid shit like he didn't think there would be consequences (because he didn't think he'd get caught, obviously) and acts like a raging douche more often than not, I feel like the lifetime ban was well deserved. If he actually wasn't such a weasel bastard and starting acting like more of a good human i'd be more inclined to pity his situation.
2016-04-26 17:38
#125
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Norway SlimeThug
So basically what you're saying is; Swag and AZK are introverts and doesn't say much so they should be unbanned. While steel and Dazed who has opinions about shit should stay banned. Nice.
2016-04-26 17:39
Exactly.
2016-04-26 17:40
#131
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Norway SlimeThug
LMAO
2016-04-26 17:40
When you are on the outside trying to win your way back in, not being a toxic asshole would certainly help your cause.
2016-04-26 17:41
Most of the times Dazed says negative shit, he's right and I don't get why you're all so butthurt about it. Like I wan't to play then usually 5 minutes in I'm so fucking irritated and depressed because people are so damn stupid and when you tell them what to do they completely ignore it, doing the same mistake over and over.
2016-04-26 18:17
Summs up in you are dumb. /close
2016-04-26 17:43
He has said himself that he doesn't like who he becomes when he play cs. Source: No source, said on stream or something, believe me or not, it's your choice.
2016-04-27 10:20
I mean, valve might be adding a tomahawk so might aswell unban them rofl
2016-04-26 17:31
lol
2016-04-26 17:33
imagine they got unbanned - they would be the most motivated pro players ever lol
2016-04-26 17:30
They should be showing that level of motivation in order to get unbanned.
2016-04-26 17:44
#78
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Portugal dascouves
Guys can someone tell me why dont go to non valve tournaments? or did faceit esea etc banned them too? EDIT: FUCK VALVE, literrally run by autistics.
2016-04-26 17:32
Even ESEA FaceIt dont let them play. They suck gaben dick
2016-04-26 17:36
Pug = league ?
2016-04-26 18:58
Faceit and esea didnt ban them for life. They can already compete in those leagues. In fact, faceit already payed dazed because he finished 1st in FPL.
2016-04-28 09:41
Tbh a major reason is the fact if they threw again valve would look like such a joke
2016-04-26 17:34
#110
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Norway SlimeThug
Definitely. It's too late now. But they could've unbanned them when the ban was still for indefinite time and make a statement about how the rules actually would be from now. Like, an official set of rules and not just depending on the mood of some assholes in the Valve offices
2016-04-26 17:37
Fuck Gaben m8.. Its not like they cheat and got vac'ed which was perma banned. Its just a faaking throw. Those people are dumb enough to bet their skins and start crying when they lose. #FreeIBP
2016-04-26 17:34
Lifetime bans are way to hard. Someone rich guy, please buy valve and unban them! Motar2k hear me out!
2016-04-26 17:34
Feelsbadman
2016-04-26 17:35
Man cant he just fuck out of the scene, that throw of a cunt
2016-04-26 17:35
Its hard to say, yes they threw and it was in a really obvious manner. Then again they couldnt have known the concequences since it was the first case of it happening. Should they be unbanned? No, they lost on purpose on matches people bet their money on. In real life when people do 'new' crimes, their case become the guideline. As long as Valve dont see between their fingers and punish everyone equally, they are banned too. Skills has and should not make any difference. 95% is waay too high btw
2016-04-26 17:36
And this principal is just retarded. You are a criminal because you commited a crime, you dont commit a crime because you are a criminal. After their punishment is due there is nothing to say against them.
2016-04-26 17:38
gyazo.com/703b176af32dd7a75a6a0cfb571d44.. Valve wouldn't be anything without us, and we are using their product. A company and producer is always open for the audiance and user of the product to be there and determine what is good or bad.
2016-04-26 17:51
Punishments should be proportional. Theyade a mistake and deserved the ban, however a lifelong ban is just too much. I think they learned their lesson.
2016-04-26 17:36
Hope they all stay banned, don't show other kids they can cheat and steal money and get away with it. Bunch of losers and IBP never a did a damn thing in cs.
2016-04-26 17:37
They just need to find new games to play and steal from the new games and hope they don't get banned.
2016-04-26 17:38
The punishment was way too harsh, he deserves to be unbanned.
2016-04-26 17:38
Unban him 2 years after the ban was set, pls valve.........
2016-04-26 17:39
They stole more skins then that one game, that was just the game they got caught doing it. Moe was with them a lot and he's always cheated and done fake giveaways.
2016-04-26 17:40
check what happened to players who threw in starcraft 2. That's what should happen to iBP players
2016-04-26 17:40
Holy shit
2016-04-26 17:53
wrong game buddy lol
2016-04-26 18:37
To be completely honest, DaZeD is a good player and all. It would be great for this guy to come back and play, but look at what getting banned did for this guy. Literally makes tons of money from streaming which mostly got popular due to his controversial ban. He made money by stealing from the community, still makes money from the community and other outlets (betting etc) and people are supposed to want him to come back? He openly said he doesn't want to play again because he hates traveling and the stress (probably a lie but still).
2016-04-26 17:42
Search about this terms, ''Cognitive dissonance'' He is just making excuse on his head to accept that ban, he would be glad to be able to compete again no matter what he says lol, otherwise he wouldn't be complaining from time to time about it.
2016-04-26 18:02
check what happened to players who threw in starcraft 2. That's what should happen to iBP players
2016-04-26 17:42
Yup. Now that is serious governing and taking your game seriously.
2016-04-26 18:54
PLZ VLOVO
2016-04-26 17:43
it is actually amazing how bad the NA scene still is even after over a year since their bans... honestly thought that at this point their impact would be insignificant if they were unbanned, but as it stands right now the top two NA teams are two teams completely imported from SA, so unbanning them will have a great impact on the local scene at least and they really got a disproportionate punishment as it is beside their impact on the scene...
2016-04-26 17:44
"Placing us with people In other sports who are heavily salaried and knew of the consequences of their actions is unfair. Context matters." It means we can steal if we don't have as much money as we wanted, good one, DaZed, poverty shouldn't be a problem anymore, we just need to share this great statement with other people. Pathetic. I hope they never get unbanned. I can't believe you guys support him, I thought it was a joke but Europe is really "tolerant".
2016-04-26 17:44
we have enough whiny bitches in the scene. do we want really another crybaby? would suck as the rest fo na anyways so who cares
2016-04-26 17:44
Well deserved ban.
2016-04-26 17:45
not really. no rules before. nothing documented about matchfixing. this valve shit is just wrong.
2016-04-26 23:12
stealing p250 sand dunes since 1945..omg what a crime..get rkt skins fa ss
2016-04-26 17:45
#154
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Japan kitzune
I agree they dont deserve this. They deserve jail and severe fines like the starcraft players. they got away easily and they should know it
2016-04-26 17:46
starcraft players have strict rules and well defined contracts unless I'm missing something, also pretty sure they throwen for more than a couple hundred worth of skin value you don't get the same punishment for different acts of theft, fraud etc. in the real world, hell if there isn't a law for something you wont even be punished
2016-04-26 17:52
#179
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Japan kitzune
the law is dont fuck with us or we fuck you up
2016-04-26 17:54
Yeah sure, but there are certain ''levels'' on that ''we fuck you up'' (different punishment as pl4yed said)
2016-04-26 18:03
Starcraft players get jailed because gambling is not legal at all in korea, and there wasn't any skin grayzone to hide from the law in. Also, the IBP guys would be wayyyy better off if the law handled their punishment, rather than valve. Yeah, US law permits up to 5 years of imprisonment for fixing matches, but for throwing for skins of a (questionable) value of 700$, the worst that could happen to them is a fine, and not even a big one.
2016-04-27 10:47
cmon dazed do something else! it's over.
2016-04-26 17:47
#159
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Iraq omar^
They deserved a punishment, a ban. Not a perma ban.
2016-04-26 17:47
20 year ban should be solid.
2016-04-26 17:48
#201
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Iraq omar^
ha haa
2016-04-26 18:14
They dont deserve to be unbanned... They were lucky enough to get a chance making money by playing a game but they throw it away like retards.
2016-04-26 17:48
get rekt you thief
2016-04-26 17:51
they had a choice: 1 pro gamer life 2 earn some extra greedy money they choose 2 instead of 1 when throwing games = bann 4 life
2016-04-26 17:51
they get punished and they deserve an unban 1 year is a lot in esports player career
2016-04-26 18:10
People are so mad about IBP, and this is only a game, i understand you can love it, but is still just a game. The scene has cheaters and other kind of scumbags, and volvo do a shit about it, I say that IBP team and players like Fxy0 can make the scene a lot more interesting.
2016-04-26 17:55
its honestly hilarious that people think this was a fair decision under the circumstances and context. Valve doesnt even think this is fair. Its not supposed to be fair, they wanted to make an example to discourage other people from throwing for skins. Thats my issue with it, theres 10x easier ways for people to throw now with all these new 3rd party sites like opskins and fanobet and it is definitely more rampant and profitable now for people to throw and not get caught. Fanobet even lets teams throw rounds or single maps and still win the match to hide a throw. IC organizes and profits from throws all the time (alledgedly). Constant accusations from people associated with them and screenshots from JMG (same guy who helped expose IBP) show as much and yet They arent getting in trouble because its easier to hide. IMO they were made an example of, it didnt work. If they want to fix the throw issue they need to monitor 3rd party sites better. But to shut down some sites and monitoring or regulating gambling would lose valve money on skins sales. IBP are just Valve's scapegoats to appease you kiddies who lost skins on the match. This is why esports needs a players union to protect players from situations like this. Clearly there needs to be punishment for players who throw. Clearly there wasnt a precedent so there was no way for them to understand how they would be affected. IBP and epsilon probably never get unbanned (even though they really dont deserve this level of punishment) but players need to come together and make this happen to protect players from being excessively punished for offenses that arent clearly defined no matter if its bad ethics or immoral. Dazed's points may be biased but that doesn't make them any less fair. I just hope that if a players union is created these guys and epsilon can get adjusted punishments and eventually reinstated if they complete community service or something to improve the scene since theyve already served long bans.
2016-04-26 17:58
As I stated earlier he greatly profited from this situation and the only downside is he can't play on a team? Don't even think it's a downside for him since he stated he doesn't want to play competitively again and doesn't like to travel.
2016-04-26 18:02
"greatly profited" in what way? his streaming? he would have more viewers if not for his reputation destroyed. Plus salary from an org and more sponsors to pay him and being able to promote Netcode without being called a cheating selfish scumbag might be more profitable. Dazed's brand was destroyed by this situation not helped. Also he clearly wants to come back and play competitive otherwise why would he open up this ole can of worms again
2016-04-26 18:08
>smoking420 >95% pick one please
2016-04-26 18:09
#202
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Finland Wozzw
Unban
2016-04-26 18:16
Let them go please
2016-04-26 18:17
Hope they enjoy their ban.Just a bit sad I feel that many others have done the same and not been banned..
2016-04-26 18:20
New cod revealed Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
2016-04-26 18:22
They have no love for the game or competition, they should stay banned.
2016-04-26 18:22
Valve probably should've come out and said the repercussions for a Throwing Ban are identical to a VAC Ban. It would've made all of the arguments less slippery.
2016-04-26 18:24
#FreeIBP
2016-04-26 18:29
loud minority = 95% of community EleGiggle
2016-04-26 18:33
As Ive said before IBP will be unbanned soon enough. Valve will realize the mistake they made just like r8
2016-04-26 18:33
steel is playing overwatch ffs... how done u are to play that game. #freeibp
2016-04-26 18:34
Whats funny is that none of them will admit to having launched the idea and dragging their teammates into this giant sham. If any of them, dazed included, had any balls the person responsible would have owned up to hatching the idea. That way vlave gets their pound of flesh and everyone is punished according to their role. If this was ever on the table I'm sure it's too late to come clean now.
2016-04-26 18:37
IM SICK OF THIS SHIT!!!!!! FREE IBP AT LAST OR FACE TERRIBLE CONSEQUENCES THEY SERVED THEIR SENTENCE AND NA CS HAS SUFFERED i.imgur.com/ESpVaPD.jpg
2016-04-26 18:38
ye
2016-04-26 18:39
Cry more. Don't cheat - no ban. Ez.
2016-04-26 18:39
lol classic HLTV thread amirite??
2016-04-26 18:39
IN A LAND DOWN UNDER
2016-04-26 18:48
for you're next trick can you pull real money out of the same ass you pulled that %95 stat from ty
2016-04-26 18:40
No precedents were set before this ban. CSGO skin gambling was pretty much the wild wild west 18 or so months ago. It just seems stupid doing it in retrospect. Would be akin to skin gambling getting regulated, but the proper authorities beating past violaters with a stick after the regulations have been put in place.
2016-04-26 18:47
People are still dumb enough to not understand why they were severely banned, it's not about the skins, it's not about the betting. It's about the fixing, that's the offense here, could have been for one sand dune or one million sand dunes or zero sand dunes, the ban would have been applied the same way. Throwing a match is a serious threat to the credibility of the competitive scene, you're all for unbanning these fools but then you would cry how you can't trust any matches any more. Now nobody sane enough would attempt to throw a match at least in the higher tiers. Great decision by Valve.
2016-04-26 18:49
+1 Yes, Valve has put down the law and showed that match fixing is unacceptable and that it will have severe consequences. Going back on this would be bad.
2016-04-26 19:20
Oh really? Then why was skadoodle let off the hook? Because according to valve, he did not receive any skins from the throw. If it was about the match fixing and not about skins, Ska would be banned too
2016-04-26 22:32
Because the skins are proof they match fixed, and there is nothing that proves Skadoodle participated in the match fixing, how can you prove he didn't play his best during that game?
2016-04-26 22:39
I don't know man. I find it hard to believe that if none of the players received skins from that match, valve would have done crap. Even if they had proof from the texts and conversations that it was a throw, I doubt they would be banned. Also, about Ska "playing his best". There is no rule that says players have to play their best every match. Theoretically, players could fuk around and not give it their 100% in some games. In that sense, they could still be "throwing". You'd have to be pretty thick-headed to believe Skadoodle gave it his best, knowing his team would be throwing.
2016-04-26 23:03
The thing is you will never have a case of match-fixing without a compensation, why would anyone throw for just the fun of it, and the compensation is often the proof, the texts weren't enough, that's a my word vs their words which would result in nothing, Valve had to investigate the case and prove a compensation was made. Playing their best, as in not performing and letting the others win on purpose. You perfectly know what I meant. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but there is lack of evidences to support his guilt.
2016-04-26 23:14
"Throwing a match is a serious threat to the credibility of the competitive scene" Because everyone hacking in the major is not... Valve just wants to look righteous to cover their own shit.
2016-04-26 22:45
Notice me when a busted cheater in cs go is not getting a permanent ban.
2016-04-26 22:45
S A D B O Y S
2016-04-26 18:49
would be fun see them unbanned, pls Gaben "No_MeRcY_420" Newell
2016-04-26 18:59
so glad he is banned, long may it continue, and i look forward to more salty tears from this scumbag
2016-04-26 19:11
They are clearly showing that they don't consider what they did as anything terribly wrong. Not really. At least not compared to what someone else did. They are still in the anger (this isn't fair... yada yada) phase moving on to the bargaining phase (maybe if we do this they'll forgive us...). What they are showing are very strong reasons why they do *not* deserve a second chance.
2016-04-26 19:18
I totally agree.
2016-04-27 03:40
DaZeD should know by now than nothing will change, their bans won't be lifted on a thousand years. Valve barely cares about the community and they will care about these guys? Sure... Ex-IBP players should learn from AZK. Move on, do something else and get away from CS. As time goes on DaZeD and steel life as CS streamers look more and more miserable.
2016-04-26 19:38
#251
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Switzerland noxer*
They can live confortably from their streams.
2016-04-26 20:31
People always say they're happy with being streamers, but they keep crying about their bans over and over again. It's just a dead end, I know I wouldn't be happy with what they're doing.
2016-04-26 20:38
valve doesnt give a fuck
2016-04-26 20:42
do a poll, i guarantee you, it wont be 95% cunt those fuckers should stay banned
2016-04-26 20:42
easily over 50% tho. You belong to the minority, guaranteed.
2016-04-26 21:41
The saddest part is all the NA kids that are hoping for Valve to unban them simply to make NA scene good again lol.
2016-04-26 21:40
fuck them, keep them banned. they robbed so many of their fans and bettors... they are luck they are not facing jail time. I cant believe people actually want these cunts back!?
2016-04-26 22:02
jail time? lol. Are you mentally ill?
2016-04-26 23:09
ibp fangirls have no brain seriously!!!! I honestly feel sorry for your parents man.
2016-04-27 02:03
It's literally impossible for them to have gotten jail time but ok kid, I'm sure you're super intelligent and know how the law works. Not. You're a fucking ignorant mental midget who doesn't even possess half my IQ, nt.
2016-04-27 02:57
med cuz bed
2016-04-27 21:35
Ban is deserved.
2016-04-26 22:04
H O W M U C H ?
2016-04-26 22:28
Just keep these fuckers banned, they fully deserve it
2016-04-26 22:07
H O W M U C H
2016-04-26 22:27
0 dude
2016-04-29 09:53
Funny they are banned, while some dota 2 players got unbanned and still competing xd
2016-04-26 22:07
source?
2016-04-26 23:08
liess, theres actually 80% of us who dont them unbanned, they deserved what they got.
2016-04-26 22:09
+1 Valve have said it's a perma ban now, they should stick to their word.
2016-04-26 22:12
I feel sorry for them, and Valve punished them enough, they shouldnt get a fucking lifetime ban over this. Valve are using them as a reference to "what you shouldnt do", thats why they are not getting unbanned and they never will. Btw can someone who understand this stuff have an opinion to the comment that robin1G made on this post about Twitch/fb/steam connection? its mindblowing hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=1131703#r15..
2016-04-26 22:12
why is Dazed bringing it back again ? Adds will tell you the truth gyazo.com/f7c8b4ed515730a803484852c8a953..
2016-04-26 22:14
If they get unbanned everyone should throw and makes tons of money. See that's why they are not getting unbanned.
2016-04-26 22:15
I hope the bans will be lifted some day. DaZed is the NA hope and can do massive damage against any team in the world.
2016-04-26 22:20
Just keep these fuckers banned,
2016-04-26 22:22
How much
2016-04-26 22:27
#287
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France R3AZE
Some current pro players should make a speech during ESL Cologne, best possible way imo
2016-04-26 22:32
these guys still crying about this? move on and find a new career, this is sad they cling to csgo popularity as grown men.
2016-04-26 22:34
bet0rs should be banned for life
2016-04-26 22:41
ban for life... fuck them all hahaha
2016-04-26 22:46
what did he think would happen? also is he srsly saying he wouldnt have done it again if they werent caught? nt dazed
2016-04-26 22:49
hahaha they should of asked for bigger reward to get more money back after their throw, they would of earned more money when they actually won tournaments, now they want to come back when the prize pools are high
2016-04-26 23:02
#299
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World Notb8ing
IDK, throwing matches is total cancer, even in less serious (not major matches or something) case I think long ban at very least should happen. TBH permanent ban seems like in line with valve policy considering cheating bans for the game are permanent also.
2016-04-26 23:04
I don't expect any hltv braindeads to have an intelligent rebuttal, but comparing them to professional athletes is literally impossible. 1. iBP powers were not paid a salary, while most pro athletes make millions or even hundreds of millions if they're a top player. 2. They won in skins, not real cash. Opskins wasn't even a thing at the time, probably would have just kept the skins and used them in game or sell for steam money or steam games? Paypal trades are a scam, smart traders never do them unless it's with somebody extremely trusted. 3. Even in pro sports you can get a permaban from matchfixing removed from an appeal system in certain sports, yet in csgo its an instant permaban even though Valve had no rules written clearly about the consequences? They certainly deserved punishment for what they did but if you think it's comparable to pro athletes at all then you're simply a mental midget incapable of perceiving nuance. /thread
2016-04-26 23:06
tldr keep banned ty
2016-04-27 03:37
they dont deserve for a single reason.. they are not the only who are forever banned, in dota 2 many players are forever banned for matchfixing.. valve cant unban IBP and let the others banned forever..
2016-04-27 02:08
he deserved what he got, fucking thrower.
2016-04-27 02:09
#311
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Sweden godname
valve should unbann all ex ibp players....
2016-04-27 02:10
"Placing us with people In other sports who are heavily salaried and knew of the consequences of their actions is unfair. Context matters." ROFL what a fucking monkey...so stupid I hope he stays banned forever
2016-04-27 02:15
this.. like they didn't know that it was wrong..
2016-04-27 03:50
you smart. i'm your fan now in your profile
2016-04-27 10:40
Why don't they just wait and buy new keys when on sale for $5 dollars. Every other faggot German hacker can, so why not them? :P Jks about Faggot German Third Reich....
2016-04-27 02:22
DaZeD gives $1000 in knives to the community per stream, means get banned #Logic
2016-04-27 02:42
If they unban NA might win a major
2016-04-27 02:45
+100000. They'll be a highly polarised team...people will love them...people will hate them...but everyone will watch. Kind of like Conor Mcgregor, Mayweather, etc. So much money/viewers is to be made if volvo just wasnt retarded.
2016-04-27 03:27
This whole ban thing is ridiculous because any career he tries to start, his name will pop up in Google along with "banned for matchfixing" in every background check he goes through. Valve is harsh.
2016-04-27 03:07
he can always change his name...
2016-04-27 03:15
o yeah, true that
2016-04-27 03:17
Think about it like this, you won something in some kind of event anonymous tip gets leaked out that you did something to give you some kind of unfair advantage, you get confronted and you deny doing it then when evidence come against you and now you are caught then all of a sudden since you are caught now you are sorry and feel bad you did it. Fact is you felt sorry that you got caught and now you are in trouble and you wish you didn't do it. You don't feel sorry for any other pain or suffering you might of caused to other people, and if you didn't get caught you would most likely do it again.
2016-04-27 03:48
gogogog
2016-04-27 03:20
Free ibp already jesus volvo
2016-04-27 03:23
I am one of the so called "5%" then, Thanks for keeping them banned volvo <3
2016-04-27 03:34
u fkin hater :(((
2016-04-27 09:33
imo, they should have gotten 1-3 years ban for Valve tournaments, besides that they should face the criminal consequences and got to pay fines/go to jail/face community service.. it is unacceptable that people really think "it is just a game and matchfixing", when it really is bunch of kids stealing stuff from another bunch of kids, though the later bunch of kids has spent money or earned those skins somehow..
2016-04-27 03:49
Yea you are right 1 - 3 ban for valve tournaments + paying some kind of fine which they probably would of gotten if they didn't lie about it when they were confronted that's the difference. Denying from the beginning until evidence was shown. So Valve made a statement you do anything to give yourself an unfair advantage in any type of way you are done.
2016-04-27 03:57
lol at all the idiots on here. They threw a match and won 700 bucks approx each rofl. Go cry some more kids , they should have been banned for a year and then everyone moved on without their lives. lol so many pussies on here.
2016-04-27 10:00
Solo, dota2 player was in same situation. He won real money (not fucking skins!) by betting on himself. Got banned for 1 year and he's playing in team Vega Squadron right now. And Valve bans these guys permanently. That's just unfair
2016-04-27 10:18
wait rly? source or name of the player pls?
2016-04-28 01:53
Read the biography: wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Solo
2016-04-28 07:50
#359
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Europe skelteR
Banned for life is the correct choice. Fuck off with these threads already.
2016-04-27 10:19
+1 thank you
2016-04-27 10:36
I have a gold fish
2016-04-27 10:26
gl hf bb
2016-04-27 10:39
#367
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Europe Instabait
You steal from comunity you got VAC ! its simple as that :D
2016-04-27 10:40
Was it really only $700 in skins? This seems kinda hard to believe.
2016-04-27 14:29
700 each not all together. Well 700 each besides swag, he got much less than the others I don't remember why
2016-04-28 01:55
2016-04-27 14:44
Don't unban them, if valve do it. they show a sign weakness, also this is a lesson for the other pro players who is trying to steal money from the community. this is basically stealing
2016-04-28 08:11
To me it would show a sign of fairness.
2016-04-28 09:19
if weakness shown, enemies will take advantage of it
2016-04-28 09:47
"If you kill your enemies, they win" - trudeau
2016-04-28 09:49
Gaben doesnt forgive, Gaben doesnt forget no chance my friend
2016-04-28 08:15
it's stupid that valve can take so much influence to have these guys not able to compete on anything :(
2016-04-28 09:48
oh god what a hypocrite martyr ffs keep them banned #Bannedforlife#is#thecorrect#choice
2016-04-28 09:51
North
1.14
Tricked
5.40
VERTEX
1.28
Mako
3.68
TIGER
2.43
HZ
1.54
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