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As many forget, iBP wasn't a salaried team at that time.
The only income these guys had were their livestream +tournament profits.
However; they did lie to the community, they tried to deny it even.
A 2-3 year ban would seem the correct thing and after that assessing their situation if they get to appeal would be oke i think.(only my opinion)
Every person will have a different version of how they see this, it depends on their knowledge, behind the scenes info and the current personal life of these individuals.
IBP will be unbanned as Ive said. Might take a year or two but they will be unbanned
Yup, once you do a bad thing it always remains with you doesn't it, you never learn from past mistakes do you... noooooo.
Well, I just want to say: "law is not retroactive".
If there was no law about matchfixing, how could they broke it?
And if everyone are comparing purposes in any other sports to this situation, why there is no investigation with this whole adderal shit? Why there are no bans for ussing it?
they werent making enough money so they wanted alittle more
Such a subjective topic. I think anyone should be punished for their crimes, and it should fit. I don't think the punishment fits the crime in this case.
Banning for a year, reimbursing every account associated with the match, and even adding some charity work on top of it to turn a negative into something better. That's a more fitting punishment.
There's a sports term in college football called the death penalty. That was a lesser sentence than what happened to IBP, and the NCAA will never do it again due to the detriment it caused. That's a much better comparison to a girlfriend. Girlfriends aren't organizations with set rules and regulations. Each girl would be different.
There's cases of match fixing landing 5-10 years in Cricket.
Anything less than 5 years banned would be a travesty, I for one am glad they're banned permanently. Scum of a growing scene. And the fanboys have the excuses "They weren't a salaried team at the time". Really? Gotta make the money by being scum ayy lmao.
many teams were throwing and only a handful of people got banned. It's really unfair.
They weren't paid and they made a mistake. Unban them, set the rules and get over it.
Choice is more like
1. Never cheat on your gf and be loyal
2. Cheat on her n never have sex again with any other woman (thanx valve)
Because consequences should be laid out ahead of time. To me that's why they should be unbanned. There were no clear, established guidelines for this sort of thing. And I don't mean to say they should just be let off, but to me, the rules don't work if you come up with a guideline after the crime.
It all comes down to how much you like your girlfriend though.
At least Dazed loves CS. The rest of NA are just afraid of a job application.
I am against unbanning iBP, they messed up and deserve what they were given.
However, Does anyone think that unbanning them would even do anything? The only player that would get on a team again would be Swag. I don't see any serious organisation ever signing Steel/DaZeD, as the negative publicity would kill them. Every single loss people will blame matchfixing. Sponsors wouldn't want to be associated with that in mind.
All they could do is create a team with 'randoms' and work their way up (that is, untill an organisation wants to sign the randoms and Steel/DaZeD have to go), but they'd never have a serious career.
Bab england? Niece trie RUFFLES
If they deserve it or not, I still dont understand why people want them unbanned. There are lots of players and teams, we dont need them.
because i assume that they didnt know u can get perma banned for doing that?
basically what i think is that they are being lumped with the cheaters by putting a lifetime ban on them, thats fucking unfair and illogial imho
you arent even from america so why the fuck would u? leave it up to the best this world has ever seen. #buildawall #freeibp
Emilio got 2 years ban for cheating, but iBP got forever ban for throwing?! Nice logic valve
Flawed logic, no one would have predicted CS becoming this big. The guys didn't even have a fucking salary.
There is a topic that Dazed brought to the table yesterday which is why valve should consider remove their bans but extend some kind of punishment to them, for example, let them qualify for majors but take 50% of their prize money for charity. The topic is: You can't say that they were fully aware of how bad there actions actually were, because they didn't knew exactly what was going to happen if they got caught, since Valve didn't had any rules for that kind of situation. He said that valve should create some sort of "code of ethics of CS" which an eventual player union can help, that will define what sort of punishment a player will have in case he commits a "crime"
what if you feel good about cheating? :D
more threads about ibuypower pls!
i was dont know this details
You are a criminal because you commit a crime. You dont commit a crime because you are a criminal.
Okay but they don't deserve to be banned for life. That's like sentencing a man to death for cheating on a test
"Kids playing csgo dreams about becoming pro players and have fans etc." KIDS. Swag was fucking like 17 at the time. Fuck dazed and steel but if anything unban swag. #freebrax
Im pretty fucking tired of people trying to sound morally correct an taking the high ground.
Put yourself in their shoes.
Just got back from a big international lan, Jet lagged and probably not at all interested in playing an official match.
Positives of Throwing -
Get some skins(at a time where skins are blowing up)
Possibly Sell Skins for real money as they didnt recieve a full salary at the time.
No rules regarding betting and csgolounge
Negatives of Throwing -
Maybe get caught and get into abit of trouble, no more bets and maybe banned from Cevo(a league that to this day, not many pro teams care about)
The Problem Here is Valve.
They are to embarrassed that something like cheating and throwing happens in one of their games. So instead of actually doing things correctly and setting rules before hand they now go to the extreme because they have all the power. Same could be said about cheating, instead of using the evidence they had regarding hacks and finding more pro's who cheat, they instantly threw their toys out the cot an now we still have people using cheats in the pro scene.
It's not about justifying what they did, it's about knowing what is the appropriate punishment :
do you know ANY sport in which people get life-bans ? That doesn't exist because everyone else deserves a second chance, even if you did the equivalent of match fixing or cheated (for example with enhancing drugs)
For example in handball, in France, a player Nicolas Karabatic (one of the best players in the world) did bet against his own team for a MUCH greater amount of money, and you know what he got ? A few months of suspension.
It shows you the extreme between others sports and valve point of view, and I think the just sentence lies between the two.
Ok it is not enough for someone who cheated to be banned for a few month, but an ENTIRE life ???!!
They should be unbanned, because they have already payed a lot.
Don't forget what's the point of a sentence :
- to be just and proportionate in regards of what was committed
- to deter people who committed it to do it again and others to try
A year or two of suspension is far enough to achieve both goals
Well, yeah. What they essentially did was steal, they stole thousands of dollars. If i'm correct that could be punsihed by prison in the US, THEY ARE FUCKIN' LUCKY.
Your an idiot they wernt getting paid they needed to money to make a living off csgo ibp didnt give them a good monthly salary
THey thought they would only get cevo ban, not a perma ban. Plus its not like they got a lot out of it. Only like a couple hundred. Other pros were throwing without any reprocussions so they tried, and got punished. Kinda unfair if you ask me.
The only reason your argument is irrelevant is that they weren't sponsored.
IBP gave them computers, but they didn't have a salary or pay, all they made was tournament prize money and their hardware to play.
Gotta get your facts straight before you jump to conclusions.
Source: Dazed has said it on multiple occasions, as well as Steel
Swag was being forced to generate income from CS or be forced to quit CS.
iBP had no salary.
There were no rules in place.
Valve cant indefinitely punish someone, for a rule that is not set.
A year long punishment was fine enough, but forever? Hell no, that is not setting an example, that is just valve being retarded as usual.
So please, Zepter, think before you type. You don't know the story at all. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I suggest you watch the 2hr 30 mins long video with RL and Dazed, and I believe you will change you mind. Later pleb.
Worst analogy ever, but thanks for the laugh buddy!