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Sweden Zepter 
Saw some topics about ppl that want ibuypower team to get unbanned. My question is: why? do they deserve that? NO FUCKING WAY! They had a strong team and they could have a pro life that they all wanted. And if they want to make money instead of the pro life=never get unbanned! It´s like your cheating with your gf, you can either choose: 1 Be happy with her and loyal 2 cheat on her and feel bad about it In ibp players case: they had 1 but choose 2 by pure greed! Kids playing csgo dreams about becoming pro players and have fans etc. But these american meathead with only one thing in mind: money, don´t deserve to have fans or a pro life. They choose to cheat on their fans for money and that´s for me: spineless so why the fuck do people want em to get unbanned?!!!! They choose the path of greed and that gave em the result derseved And yes i lack english grammar perfections...
2016-04-26 18:04
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2016-04-26 18:06
nice paragraphs, i like the style
2016-04-26 18:08
not sure if jk or just honest
2016-04-26 18:08
srsly it look very neat, i dont like big paragraphs this is just perfect
2016-04-26 18:10
ty then!
2016-04-26 18:13
#16
Sweden BBW 
it wasnt a compliment
2016-04-26 18:35
#111
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United States hehexddd 
Did you watch the interview of RL and Dazed? Please watch it before forming an opinion. I guarantee it will open up your eyes. It's an interesting watch even if you don't care about Dazed. Srs please bookmark it and watch it when you can :(
2016-04-28 07:16
This. Pp is retarded and ignorant. Can't fix stupid though
2016-04-28 22:52
#126
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United States hehexddd 
We can try ;(
2016-04-28 22:53
Swag was being forced to generate income from CS or be forced to quit CS. iBP had no salary. There were no rules in place. Valve cant indefinitely punish someone, for a rule that is not set. A year long punishment was fine enough, but forever? Hell no, that is not setting an example, that is just valve being retarded as usual. So please, Zepter, think before you type. You don't know the story at all. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I suggest you watch the 2hr 30 mins long video with RL and Dazed, and I believe you will change you mind. Later pleb.
2016-04-28 21:16
+1 but what do u expect from a brain dead cuck
2016-04-28 22:53
#3
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Europe Instabait 
RIP americanoo
2016-04-26 18:08
#66
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Germany No_Kappa 
tldr: Fucking up a life takes only minutes of bad life choices. Forgive yourselves and others more often. As a long time fan of CS (bee playing since 1.3) I say give them a second chance. But give them some punishment like making them help in events for free, have them auto-donate 50% of any prize awarded in CS events to charities for some years. This is called rehabilitating and it's a win-win. Please stop comparing other sports, politics or any other situation. It's easy to judge when you are not the person, when you don't know what was going on their lives at that time. I think humanity in general have to be more forgiving in some cases. One can ruin a whole life in matter of minutes just by saying the wrong things or by being with the wrong people at the wrong time. It's so easy to fuck up with your life. Please be more forgiving to yourselves and to others.
2016-04-27 15:08
#72
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Europe Instabait 
i am playing since beta 1.1 show up in my friends internet caffe ... and its not that simple ... why unban them only ... maybe KQLY and SF to? they knew the terms like evry other player ... they made a choice ... now ... they vaced
2016-04-27 15:30
#73
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Germany No_Kappa 
Different cases. one is cheating, other is match fixing. Yes both cases suck. A shameless lawyer would argue that there were already anti-cheat rules on CSGO but no anti-match fixing. Personally I don't think this applies. Legislation in some countries have this notion about proportion of damage. IBP did one match fix with very small values AND they were not salaried at that time. I think it would be a whole different story if, for example, VP or Navi did match fixing today.
2016-04-27 15:35
#75
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Europe Instabait 
cheating is wide word ;d ... include match fixing and in-game cheats [;
2016-04-27 15:59
-1 not at all
2016-04-28 21:18
+1
2016-04-28 06:22
As many forget, iBP wasn't a salaried team at that time. The only income these guys had were their livestream +tournament profits. However; they did lie to the community, they tried to deny it even. A 2-3 year ban would seem the correct thing and after that assessing their situation if they get to appeal would be oke i think.(only my opinion) Every person will have a different version of how they see this, it depends on their knowledge, behind the scenes info and the current personal life of these individuals.
2016-04-26 18:18
oh yeah sepp blatter only took some bribes, lets give him 2-3 years in prison then let him be president of FIFA again
2016-04-26 18:24
#10
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Iceland Iceland 
Comparing sepp blatter to ibp is ridiculous it would be comparable with gaben if he did something.
2016-04-26 18:27
Are you seriously comparing ibp's match fixing to BLATTER? I mean, really?
2016-04-26 18:32
great comparison....NOT think before u type on your keyboard plz....
2016-04-27 06:39
#28
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United States GeT_ReiCh 
"My m8 Tommy and 3 of his buddies here rigged a betting ring of our monopoly money so we decided to send him to jail for life." -The argument for iBP's ban. iBP threw for skins, which in the eyes of Valve and the law aren't anything with real monetary value.
2016-04-27 07:05
#51
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Sweden Rec123 
+1559746315556
2016-04-27 14:14
(You are right they fixed a match) so soon after when they started being accused and then was confronted about it, if they (admitted it right at the beginning) meaning no evidence was found yet, instead of denying it they would of gotten a 1 to 3 year ban from valve events and probably some fine to pay and this is because skins were involved which made valve involved otherwise they would of just gotten a cevo ban for a season or two and would be un banned in the the next year or two. But instead they kept their word for a good while and then BAM evidence started splooshing out good ass evidence then now they want to admit it and feel sorry. So valve soon realized if the evidence was never found they could/would continue to throw matches and influence more teams as well if they could get away with it. So therefore perman to match fixing. It took Valve a while to post publicly their verdict but once the lieing happend they already had their choice made up.
2016-04-27 14:43
Who wouldnt lie about throwing no one gonna say "o yea we threw the match"
2016-04-27 18:39
this was after the initial accusations came to light aswell as footage of obvious throwing happening (swag switching to knife on catwalk to try go for a knifekill mid gunfight...etc)
2016-04-28 07:04
IBP will be unbanned as Ive said. Might take a year or two but they will be unbanned
2016-04-26 18:26
Can you confirm that?
2016-04-26 18:29
Can confirm bookmarked this
2016-04-26 18:29
Sure then
2016-04-26 18:30
dont listen to this fake scrub
2016-04-27 15:11
#14
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United Kingdom mrwhitey998 
Yup, once you do a bad thing it always remains with you doesn't it, you never learn from past mistakes do you... noooooo.
2016-04-26 18:30
Well, I just want to say: "law is not retroactive". If there was no law about matchfixing, how could they broke it? And if everyone are comparing purposes in any other sports to this situation, why there is no investigation with this whole adderal shit? Why there are no bans for ussing it?
2016-04-26 18:36
#46
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Cyprus Swishh_ 
Because adderall might have been prescribed by a doctor
2016-04-27 12:44
#87
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United States darth_mac 
+1 my brother was given adderall when he was a kid and it makes him act fucking weird btw just sayin
2016-04-27 18:27
well Maria Sharapova used to take some medicines prescribed by a doctor and her antidoping's test was positive.
2016-04-27 22:19
which means players who have been prescribed adderall would be easily able to prove
2016-04-28 06:38
they werent making enough money so they wanted alittle more
2016-04-26 18:38
Such a subjective topic. I think anyone should be punished for their crimes, and it should fit. I don't think the punishment fits the crime in this case. Banning for a year, reimbursing every account associated with the match, and even adding some charity work on top of it to turn a negative into something better. That's a more fitting punishment. There's a sports term in college football called the death penalty. That was a lesser sentence than what happened to IBP, and the NCAA will never do it again due to the detriment it caused. That's a much better comparison to a girlfriend. Girlfriends aren't organizations with set rules and regulations. Each girl would be different.
2016-04-26 18:39
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Australia zebO 
There's cases of match fixing landing 5-10 years in Cricket. Anything less than 5 years banned would be a travesty, I for one am glad they're banned permanently. Scum of a growing scene. And the fanboys have the excuses "They weren't a salaried team at the time". Really? Gotta make the money by being scum ayy lmao.
2016-04-27 06:45
many teams were throwing and only a handful of people got banned. It's really unfair.
2016-04-27 06:47
They weren't paid and they made a mistake. Unban them, set the rules and get over it.
2016-04-27 06:48
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United States grundhoog 
they got paid wtf
2016-04-27 12:30
#47
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United States Scrub_Disney 
He is talking about salary
2016-04-27 12:50
#48
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United States grundhoog 
o
2016-04-27 12:51
Lmao... Of course they had salary.
2016-04-27 14:22
#57
United Kingdom Alth 
They didn't. Actually research the topic before you comment.
2016-04-27 14:44
That's a fucking bullshit yo... If they didn't get salaries, why would they play for that org? They got to majors a lot of fucking times... It's kinda hard to believe.
2016-04-27 14:49
Because it was 2014, only a few teams (NiP, VP, fnatic, Cloud9) had salaries
2016-04-27 14:55
Na'Vi, mouz, titan, 3dmax and a lot more teams had salaries at that time... Still hard to believe.
2016-04-27 15:07
I think iBP only provided the money needed to go to events? Could be wrong though.
2016-04-27 15:15
Probably, but if you were a top player in a top team, why would you stuck with a org that doesn't pay you to represent them? All that thing is either a lie or idk.
2016-04-27 15:17
You act like iBP had a choice? They got hardware and travel accommodations from iBP. There was no salary waiting for them anywhere else. The money in CSGO wasn't really there yet, ESPECIALLY in the NA scene. What they did was wrong, but people really shouldn't compare their situation to REAL sports where players make hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars a year. These guys were ultimately looking for a way to support themselves financially while chasing their dream.
2016-04-27 15:41
2014 man. Only few orgs were giving salaries to players. NiP received an average Swe salary, Titan players had less than average in France. But you probably installed CSGO few months ago. (:
2016-04-27 16:12
That last sentence was unnecessarily. No reason to make yourself smart in front of people talking like that. Douchebag...
2016-04-27 17:10
"That's a fucking bullshit yo..." Don't call people Douchebag if you are part of them dude.
2016-04-27 17:55
#92
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United States darth_mac 
I like u u rekt him
2016-04-27 18:37
?
2016-04-27 19:03
You're telling me that it is unecessary to make my self smart. Yet you're the only one around calling bullshit whithout any research on the subject man. Like I said, they didn't had salary, they made a mistake (people gotta live right?), just unban them, set the rules and let's roll-oll
2016-04-28 06:14
It doesnt matter if we are going to argue or not. iBP and the other players won't be unbanned. At least in the next 6 months.
2016-04-28 15:15
okey lol
2016-04-28 19:36
If valve wanted to unban them, they would've done that a long time ago.
2016-04-28 19:45
They can't even post a skin correctly in the game, what are you expecting from them?
2016-04-28 21:08
What does that even mean? What i'm trying to say is that volvo doesn't have mercy for these people. If they catch something like that in eurofootball for example, that only means JAIL. So they got pretty lucky going out of all that drama just like that. Same shit goes for doping. If they catch you - your career is over.
2016-04-28 21:46
Messi? Karabatic? LoL
2016-04-28 22:40
#83
United Kingdom Alth 
Like seriously actually do some research. Love it when people who likely weren't even around then talk like they know all the details. IBP did not get salaried. In their deal with IBP, the org offered them a larger portion of sticker money instead. Was not a good deal in hindsight.
2016-04-27 17:53
NICE
2016-04-27 06:49
Choice is more like 1. Never cheat on your gf and be loyal or 2. Cheat on her n never have sex again with any other woman (thanx valve)
2016-04-27 06:53
They can still play the game.
2016-04-27 07:02
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North America Foxaika 
Because consequences should be laid out ahead of time. To me that's why they should be unbanned. There were no clear, established guidelines for this sort of thing. And I don't mean to say they should just be let off, but to me, the rules don't work if you come up with a guideline after the crime.
2016-04-27 06:54
It all comes down to how much you like your girlfriend though.
2016-04-27 07:34
At least Dazed loves CS. The rest of NA are just afraid of a job application.
2016-04-27 07:35
#90
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United States darth_mac 
Steel Loves cs too bud and so does azk, and swag they are all just different people cant expect all of them to do what they want azk moved on and is on the liquid overwatch team I saw him playing that game almost right after they got banned he still wants to be a pro gamer and then continued to be one steel, dazed, and swag all expect to be unbanned if or when a players union is formed btw. steel already has bukko bucks and swag is still like 18-19 or some shit just my opinion on some of this stuff but mostly facts
2016-04-27 18:35
#32
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Netherlands Krin 
I am against unbanning iBP, they messed up and deserve what they were given. However, Does anyone think that unbanning them would even do anything? The only player that would get on a team again would be Swag. I don't see any serious organisation ever signing Steel/DaZeD, as the negative publicity would kill them. Every single loss people will blame matchfixing. Sponsors wouldn't want to be associated with that in mind. All they could do is create a team with 'randoms' and work their way up (that is, untill an organisation wants to sign the randoms and Steel/DaZeD have to go), but they'd never have a serious career.
2016-04-27 07:37
Bab england? Niece trie RUFFLES
2016-04-27 07:50
If they deserve it or not, I still dont understand why people want them unbanned. There are lots of players and teams, we dont need them. stupid fanboys?????
2016-04-27 08:06
because i assume that they didnt know u can get perma banned for doing that?
2016-04-27 12:31
Ouch englando
2016-04-27 12:31
#49
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United States Ablert 
Ouch americando
2016-04-27 13:18
?
2016-04-27 21:24
#97
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United States Ablert 
idk
2016-04-27 21:25
basically what i think is that they are being lumped with the cheaters by putting a lifetime ban on them, thats fucking unfair and illogial imho
2016-04-27 14:10
+1
2016-04-27 14:15
#FreeSwag #FreeDaZeD #FreeSteel #FreeAZK
2016-04-27 14:18
you arent even from america so why the fuck would u? leave it up to the best this world has ever seen. #buildawall #freeibp
2016-04-27 14:44
2016-04-27 14:48
#60
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Hungary raffai 
Emilio got 2 years ban for cheating, but iBP got forever ban for throwing?! Nice logic valve
2016-04-27 14:52
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Sweden !drop 
Flawed logic, no one would have predicted CS becoming this big. The guys didn't even have a fucking salary.
2016-04-27 14:52
#63
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Europe m9_ 
very bad b8 m8, -2/8
2016-04-27 14:57
#64
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Portugal wakens 
There is a topic that Dazed brought to the table yesterday which is why valve should consider remove their bans but extend some kind of punishment to them, for example, let them qualify for majors but take 50% of their prize money for charity. The topic is: You can't say that they were fully aware of how bad there actions actually were, because they didn't knew exactly what was going to happen if they got caught, since Valve didn't had any rules for that kind of situation. He said that valve should create some sort of "code of ethics of CS" which an eventual player union can help, that will define what sort of punishment a player will have in case he commits a "crime"
2016-04-27 15:02
#112
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Portugal wakens 
thanks, i was able to watch most of it live but didnt knew how to find it
2016-04-28 14:47
what if you feel good about cheating? :D
2016-04-27 15:09
more threads about ibuypower pls!
2016-04-27 15:18
i was dont know this details
2016-04-27 16:02
You are a criminal because you commit a crime. You dont commit a crime because you are a criminal.
2016-04-27 16:07
Okay but they don't deserve to be banned for life. That's like sentencing a man to death for cheating on a test
2016-04-27 17:12
#82
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United States Zebruh 
"Kids playing csgo dreams about becoming pro players and have fans etc." KIDS. Swag was fucking like 17 at the time. Fuck dazed and steel but if anything unban swag. #freebrax
2016-04-27 17:14
Im pretty fucking tired of people trying to sound morally correct an taking the high ground. Put yourself in their shoes. Just got back from a big international lan, Jet lagged and probably not at all interested in playing an official match. Positives of Throwing - Get some skins(at a time where skins are blowing up) Possibly Sell Skins for real money as they didnt recieve a full salary at the time. No rules regarding betting and csgolounge Negatives of Throwing - Maybe get caught and get into abit of trouble, no more bets and maybe banned from Cevo(a league that to this day, not many pro teams care about) The Problem Here is Valve. They are to embarrassed that something like cheating and throwing happens in one of their games. So instead of actually doing things correctly and setting rules before hand they now go to the extreme because they have all the power. Same could be said about cheating, instead of using the evidence they had regarding hacks and finding more pro's who cheat, they instantly threw their toys out the cot an now we still have people using cheats in the pro scene.
2016-04-27 18:12
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France Roi_Arachnide 
It's not about justifying what they did, it's about knowing what is the appropriate punishment : do you know ANY sport in which people get life-bans ? That doesn't exist because everyone else deserves a second chance, even if you did the equivalent of match fixing or cheated (for example with enhancing drugs) For example in handball, in France, a player Nicolas Karabatic (one of the best players in the world) did bet against his own team for a MUCH greater amount of money, and you know what he got ? A few months of suspension. It shows you the extreme between others sports and valve point of view, and I think the just sentence lies between the two. Ok it is not enough for someone who cheated to be banned for a few month, but an ENTIRE life ???!! They should be unbanned, because they have already payed a lot. Don't forget what's the point of a sentence : - to be just and proportionate in regards of what was committed - to deter people who committed it to do it again and others to try A year or two of suspension is far enough to achieve both goals
2016-04-27 18:21
+1kkk couldn't agree more
2016-04-28 07:09
Well, yeah. What they essentially did was steal, they stole thousands of dollars. If i'm correct that could be punsihed by prison in the US, THEY ARE FUCKIN' LUCKY.
2016-04-27 18:35
Your an idiot they wernt getting paid they needed to money to make a living off csgo ibp didnt give them a good monthly salary
2016-04-27 18:38
THey thought they would only get cevo ban, not a perma ban. Plus its not like they got a lot out of it. Only like a couple hundred. Other pros were throwing without any reprocussions so they tried, and got punished. Kinda unfair if you ask me.
2016-04-28 06:17
The only reason your argument is irrelevant is that they weren't sponsored. IBP gave them computers, but they didn't have a salary or pay, all they made was tournament prize money and their hardware to play. Gotta get your facts straight before you jump to conclusions. Source: Dazed has said it on multiple occasions, as well as Steel
2016-04-28 06:22
So many folks don't know what word permanent means, here ya go, make it a homepage and visit it everyday, maybe you'll comprehend it one day. merriam-webster.com/dictionary/permanent
2016-04-28 06:52
#105
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North America Ares872 
twitch.tv/richardlewisreports/v/63034604 everyone seems to think that the iBP guys were the ones getting all these skins from it. When they literally got a point of a percentage of the winnings lol over 40 accounts linked to asian scene max betting dont get me wrong they got some money from it but alot of other people got alot more then these guys
2016-04-28 07:00
#FREEBRAX
2016-04-28 07:11
zepter is a fat douche
2016-04-28 15:19
+1
2016-04-28 15:21
Swag was being forced to generate income from CS or be forced to quit CS. iBP had no salary. There were no rules in place. Valve cant indefinitely punish someone, for a rule that is not set. A year long punishment was fine enough, but forever? Hell no, that is not setting an example, that is just valve being retarded as usual. So please, Zepter, think before you type. You don't know the story at all. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I suggest you watch the 2hr 30 mins long video with RL and Dazed, and I believe you will change you mind. Later pleb.
2016-04-28 21:16
#122
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Denmark w0lteX 
Worst analogy ever, but thanks for the laugh buddy!
2016-04-28 21:21
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