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World Taurog 
How does the teaching of history differ between your country and its neighbours? Do they tell a different story about certain events? Is there nagationism?
2016-05-12 14:57
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yes history differs from country to country. Everyone doesn't learn the same subjects. In france the algerian war is basically brushed over while i'm pretty sure alegerians know well about it at school. Same for colonialism. Despite acknowledging it was a bad thing at first. When talking about de-colonisation we skip the parts that say how we made Syria a shithole and stuff. I never heard at school about the incident during WW2 when the british navy gunned down the remaining french navy in algeria.
2016-05-12 15:04
most important thing 2know: Liberté, égalité, fraternité
2016-05-12 15:18
beri emosional
2016-05-12 16:48
+ Code Napoléon
2016-05-12 22:44
In australia we literally learn about none of the things you listed except WWII
2016-05-12 15:43
You don't know shit about history or Education Nationale programs, so stfu "Louis", by your surname I know you are a spoiled little parisian cunt
2016-05-12 16:15
syrian / algerian fakeflagger
2016-05-12 16:20
sykes picot ^.^
2016-05-12 16:27
Well we learn we scuttled the french navy when you surrendered, even though you agreed to do it for us. So yeah. Not the most interesting thing that happened in ww2
2016-05-12 16:39
I dont know the details what i know is the french denied the british to take their ships or sink them themselves and consequently the brits blew it up with a whole bunch of sailors with it. Think there was some kind of miscommunication involved
2016-05-12 16:46
#2
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Malaysia Swattax
history in my school boring af
2016-05-12 15:07
Them foreign kids don't get to learn about history of toilet appliances and their maintenance.
2016-05-12 15:15
Russia is our neighboring country and I am pretty sure they ain't teaching shit even close to true.
2016-05-12 15:21
So does yourcountry and mine and every countryin the world
2016-05-12 15:27
You are right. But the scale differs. I'm pretty sure Polish kids get to learn less lies than for example Turkish kids, and German kids surely learn less lies than us.
2016-05-12 15:38
no, german kids get taught the most lies.
2016-05-12 15:48
Like for example?
2016-05-12 15:49
For example?
2016-05-12 16:17
lol why do you think so
2016-05-12 15:34
Because Russian government is braindamaged?
2016-05-12 15:37
Because the propaganda machine in Russia is almost like in China. Because I actually learn about shit ukno? Because I know?
2016-05-12 15:39
You dont know
2016-05-12 15:42
I guarantee you sir, I know so much more than you. So much more it breaks the light of speed.
2016-05-12 15:45
Sure, boy. Now go back to your mommy. Its time to take pills
2016-05-12 15:45
What a brutal reply. You are clearly a very informed true specialist.
2016-05-12 15:53
you are the one who brainwashed. Our history lessons are totally fine except maybe USSR period in some aspects. But overall its not even close to: "propaganda machine" p.s. I am studying at historical university
2016-05-12 15:44
Hahah :D That's exactly what you were brainwashed to think. How the fuck would you know? You're the child of propaganda.
2016-05-12 15:46
I am studying at histroical university and know history very well? May be that's how I know that our school history is not a propaganda? So How the fuck would you know that you are not child of anti-Russian propaganda. Tell me
2016-05-12 15:48
Did you get to learn yet that Soviet Union killed more Russians than Hitler? Because that seem to come as a surprise to hltv Russians. At least that's my experience. > anti-Russian propaganda What's that?
2016-05-12 15:51
yes we learn about massive Stalin's repression and the fact he starved millions of people (not only Russians, but Ukrainians, Kazakhs and other) to death anti-Russian propaganda is propaganda against Russia?
2016-05-12 15:55
> yes we learn about massive Stalin's repression and the fact he starved millions of people (not only Russians, but Ukrainians, Kazakhs and other) to death I think you are lying. If not, show me those text books. > anti-Russian propaganda is propaganda against Russia? No such thing exist as far as my knowledge goes. Maybe on Ukraine TV. It's just what brainwashed Russians imagine there to be when their brainwashed minds face the actual reality.
2016-05-12 15:59
"It's just what brainwashed Russians imagine there to be when their brainwashed minds face the actual reality." nvm. you are literally brainwashed
2016-05-12 16:03
Prove it.
2016-05-12 16:04
Also, I'm waiting for those school books.
2016-05-12 16:05
can you google any Polish histry school books? How can I google it...
2016-05-12 16:06
I want you to show me the ones that you learn history from in Russia state schools which, by your words, are suppose to mention massive slaughter on own citizens done by hands of Soviet government.
2016-05-12 16:08
how I suppose to show it? I dont have one. I'm studying in university. TRY to google any historical Russian school book for 10-11 class. That's what you need, not me. Or fly to Moscow and visit any Russian school ??? do whatever you want dude, you are brainwashed and cant talk objectively. idc
2016-05-12 16:11
How am I brainwashed? I literally had a chance to discuss it here on hltv with braindead Ruskies like two days ago. hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=1142905#r15.. As well as before, quite few times.
2016-05-12 16:13
it's hltv, man
2016-05-12 16:15
No, it's what people actually believe. Toilet cleaners on hltv also say retarded things and lies that I've been hearing in real life.
2016-05-12 16:16
You already compared Russian media with media in foreign countries, saying you 'don't know which are worse'. That's as typical as it gets.
2016-05-12 16:15
so you know right? you living in US and were in Russia for 1+ year. am i right?
2016-05-12 16:16
No, but that line coming from brainwashed Ruskies is typical. It doesn't get much research to learn that the level of free speech differs in different places to the point where it's not comparable. Btw. Polish state TV since the last election shifted in that direction of Russia one. I wonder when will they start rewriting the text books...
2016-05-12 16:21
"that line coming from brainwashed Ruskies is typical" First of all this words were answer to this: "#43 Don't listen to them. The western propaganda is 20 times worse, they are literally brainwashed sheep." And, what's wrong with that line? "I cant judge properly which propaganda worse and in how many times" Some propaganda in this words? You see PUTIN HERE? STALIN ALIVE, right?
2016-05-12 16:26
Western media don't deliberately produce fake information to lie about foreign countries. Obviously, they are biased. The bias also differs on scale. For example, I wouldn't now compare Polish state tv with BBC and say 'I don't know what is worse'. That's nonsense. > You see PUTIN HERE? STALIN ALIVE, right? Stalin is on his way back I've been hearing. x3.cdn03.imgwykop.pl/c3201142/comment_Sh.. The opinions on Stalin in Russia are now best since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Want a source?
2016-05-12 16:34
By your first sentence you just proved you have no idea. Western Media is dogshit. Monopolized by Corporations who spin out falsehoods faster than you fat americans can eat hamburgers.
2016-05-13 01:08
Where did I say anything positive about the western media? Quote that part please.
2016-05-13 03:00
I fucking hate people like you. You don't need no media, you don't need no lies. Even without any of that, you already see stuff that's not out there. More to the point though. A typical western media outlet would be CNN. I fucking hate CNN. They are extremely biased, and it's the bias that's so far from my viewpoint that I would prolly get irritated by watching CNN. But that bias would be all they usually do. Now, Russian government media at the same time would not just report with a bias. On top of proviging fake information that's simply fake (like show Polish anti-government protest and say it's anti-NATO, an example that I saw recently), they would also for example maintain their own chain of organisations or even political parties in foregin countries that are not known in those countries by the locals, and usually represt pro-Putin standpoints as ones that recognised and supported by the locals in those places. There is a guy that routinely reports on Poland on RT who runs a pro-Putin party in Poland, both of which (him and the party) Polish people have never heard about. Polish state television since the changes that took place after the last parliamentary elections would prolly even go as far as implementing some of the Russian state media technics, like they would call those who critise the government 'agents of foreign interests' (exactly what happens in Russia) or even say, like this guy did, that foreign media by critising them (sometimes wrong, most often right, at least that's my opinion) conduct an 'anti-Polish' campain. They would also report with an extreme bias. But it wouldn't go further than that. All bad. Yet, the moment I'd say it's all comparable since I don't like either, their propaganda prolly got me.
2016-05-13 03:34
#184
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Bulgaria BroN
its pointless to argue here ... this is hltv ... most ppl here are just kids who talking bullshits ...
2016-05-13 01:31
because we don't kill people for suggesting the government in our country needs a change. We don't have government controlled television only. We actually encourage our citizens to gain knowledge on the internet, and not wanting to make a internet special for our country to control exposure to outside ideas.
2016-05-12 15:54
I keked like we have our own internet and not a single proper source :D:D:D sure, bro. watch more TV
2016-05-12 15:57
you don't have one, but it very much is an idea being kicked around by Putin's government. Much like how China locks down their internet, but actually not interconnecting.
2016-05-12 16:07
"Much like how China locks down their internet" Any real proves or just ur TV and what you heard around ?
2016-05-12 16:13
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Websites_blocked_i.. Your nickname is becoming so insanely ironic
2016-05-12 16:19
I am asking about Russia. He was talking about Russia. "Much like how China locks down their internet" Can you understand it? "*In Russia is* Much like how China locks down their internet"
2016-05-12 16:27
I just posted that to show exactly how much China blocks the internet and China is BY FAR Russia's closest friend. BY FAR. Russia does do exactly the same but in a way way more gansta style, they just kill reporters and politicians who dare speak against that supreme power of Mother Russia!!! China is better than you Russia. Fucking deal with it. E:typ0eded
2016-05-12 16:30
:D:D:D what a tard
2016-05-12 16:31
Lol finland be grateful to Bolsheviks for letting you become independent from Russia and suck a dick
2016-05-13 01:43
Idiot. Fucking deal with it.
2016-05-13 17:30
I'm pretty sure they don't say it on Finnish TV. It's just his imagination.
2016-05-12 16:36
So russia never blocked reddit or wikipedia?
2016-05-12 16:21
I can use reddit and wikipedia whenever I want...wtf are you talking about
2016-05-12 16:22
Well, unfortunately I can use it pp.vk.me/c629329/v629329638/4d2f5/dA57WD..
2016-05-12 16:29
Russia doesn't block the internet. They don't have to. It's enough that enough people believe the government propaganda and simply don't feel a need to look for alternative sources. If they stop (believing), they can always start a war or blow up few buildings and people will like the government again.
2016-05-12 16:56
Normal people in CIS (at least KZ and RU) don't watch TV for news. Maximum is for laugh: how stupid are methods of propaganda used by government.
2016-05-12 16:03
Normal people?
2016-05-12 16:17
What is the problem with this phrase?
2016-05-12 16:24
I also studied history in uni. I also have been to school here in Finland and in Russia. I know 100%, perfectly well, fully, completely what the difference is in teaching history. Russia is very much like China but 100% like North-Korea.
2016-05-12 15:56
ok, you are 100% perfectly well right kidding you are braindamaged, no sense to talk with you
2016-05-12 15:58
Sure bra, whatever makes you feel less a Russian
2016-05-12 16:16
#43
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Greece hekzy
Don't listen to them. The western propaganda is 20 times worse, they are literally brainwashed sheep. They will tell you that YOU are brainwashed but the reality is the opposite.
2016-05-12 15:58
well. I cant judge properly which propaganda worse and in how many times. but I am pretty sure that people from the both sides have some propaganda in their country nowadays. Just dont watch TV and try to objectively think about the info you get on the internet, that's it.
2016-05-12 16:01
> I cant judge properly which propaganda worse and in how many times I lost count on how many times I had seen this line lol.
2016-05-12 16:06
#56
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Greece hekzy
Orrr.. You can take the opinion from a country that was clearly neutral during the cold war. People who neither hate or love the 2 powerhouses, people from Greece. For me, the worst I have ever heard from tourists and people over the internet was literally always from people of the Western countries (and yes, there are a lot of Russian tourists here).
2016-05-12 16:06
for real I am sorry that Greece got sucked into and duped by the subprime mortgage thing, they hit America real hard as well. Hang tight, don't go Nazi government, things will get better.
2016-05-12 16:10
#67
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Greece hekzy
There will be war before Golden Dawn will rise to power. Greek people are very tolerant and xenophilic, Nazis will never succeed.
2016-05-12 16:12
#84
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Greece hekzy
Also, don't worry. This whole shitfest with the national debts will end up in countries revolting against the shit banking systems. Ayylmao, just the theory of how these debts were made.. BASED ON THIN FUCKING AIR.
2016-05-12 16:18
ya it is pretty disgusting tbh.
2016-05-12 16:47
#68
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Faroe Islands günT
youtube.com/watch?v=LHd2jeVGGgc You're even spreading historical propaganda on national TV when the topic is modern politics. top kek
2016-05-12 16:13
Ok I believe a random hltv user like you
2016-05-12 15:46
You are a hltv user just as much as I am. But I understand, you Russians ain't too bright
2016-05-12 15:48
unless you have lived in both countries you can't say that one "learns about shit" and another doesn't
2016-05-13 00:48
my teacher often highligted how differently they teach the particular event in slovakia and romania i arent remember which one but he said it a lot
2016-05-12 15:24
In Brazil the government tries to push Socialism into the throat of the students, in the books here.. Marx is a legend :(
2016-05-12 15:27
Socialism is popular in third world countries
2016-05-12 15:33
said a guy whose country is the most socialistic in the Western Hemisphere ;)
2016-05-13 00:49
socialist ? I had a chuckle there bro, Canada is capitalist nation, we just restrict our banks a bit more so our economy doesn't crash like yours did in 2008
2016-05-13 00:51
I didn't say your economy is socialistic, your welfare system is :) Actually everyone now is regulating banks much more, even Europe.
2016-05-13 00:53
And that is a bad thing? Affordable or close to free health care as well.
2016-05-13 01:14
you're autistic, i mean like most americans, you're misinformed about what actually goes on outside your own fucking borders. edit: Canada also has a lower unemployment rate the US does, so that totally kills your argument
2016-05-13 01:37
when the fuck did I say that a good welfare system was bad? are you retarded? I was never comparing anyone if you can read, but if you want lets compare labor productivity and GDPs per capita and see who is better.
2016-05-13 01:41
Its impossible to teach history without bias
2016-05-12 15:27
the least retarded comment I have ever seen on hltv
2016-05-13 01:45
In germany my teacher talked always bad against the ottoman empire and how great germany was hahaha herr schulz if you read this.. have a nice day
2016-05-12 15:38
Dude , atrocities ottomans did are literally unmatched ...
2016-05-12 15:43
not you again.. you were they guy who insult my language :D
2016-05-12 15:44
That was my personal opinion, some people like specific languages some don't ...
2016-05-12 15:48
he is correct tho
2016-05-12 16:11
hater gonna hate hate hate
2016-05-12 16:27
#47
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Faroe Islands günT
*Awaiting wiretap to see him post his Jedwabne link from wikipedia*
2016-05-12 16:02
#60
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Faroe Islands günT
I don't think it's biased in a nationalistic way, for example the kings who were considered national heroes 100 years ago are either unknown or seen as mass murderers. If anything, it's probably more brainwashing the other way around compared to how it usually is. And we don't really have any genocides or major colonies to negate.
2016-05-12 16:08
To be honest we only learn about our "big" kings who did something extraordinary like Vasa or Karl XII.Or even longer back with Håkan Röde or Blot-Sven. And only Karl XII is seen as a "bad person" because he fucked up in Poltava and we lost our power over Poland and Russia.
2016-05-12 16:17
#102
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Faroe Islands günT
Only Karl XXI? What about Karl XI and Gustav II Adolf?
2016-05-12 16:26
Che Guevara was a hero, Cuba is the best country in the world, and everyone has iPhones, MacBooks and infinite Internet without ping. Lenin was Jesus Christ, Stalin saved the world, Mao saved his people from starvation, Pol Pot saved his people from imperialists, Shaka freed his people from slavery. The URSS invented everything there is in the world, except cure for cancer, AIDS and getting old, which Cuba and North Korea invented simultaneously. Hitler wanted to take over the world solely because he hated black people, and economy had nothing to do with WW1 and WW2. Mussolini did everything he did because he hated gays, and economy had nothing to do with it either. Fascism is a political ideology based on hate of blacks and gays, economy has nothing to do with it. Castro, Maduro and Kim Jong Un are heroes of fighting imperialism, capitalism and neoliberalism. Neoliberalism is everything that isn't what we're supposed to believe. If we think differently from everyone else and from what our professors tell us to think, it means we have no critical thinking skill. If we think what they tell us to think and what everyone else thinks, we have critical thinking skills and we're intellectuals. Marx and Foucault > Einstein and Newton
2016-05-12 16:14
Wtf
2016-05-12 16:15
in the united states we are taught in schools for history that God created the earth about 6000 years ago in 7 days. Of course, Jesus was given to America to lead us in the American Revolution War and that's why we never lost a war since.
2016-05-12 16:14
That's religion, not history
2016-05-12 16:19
religion is also history...
2016-05-12 16:53
Depends what schools you go to
2016-05-13 00:32
i was taught we came kindly and nicely asked the aboriginals to share the land and they started attacking us probably not though.
2016-05-12 16:18
have you seen those cunts, they will gut you for a cigarette of COURSE they started attacking
2016-05-12 16:21
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2016-05-12 16:23
Am I the only one who found it funny that you choose to use the word "cunt" when talking to an Australian? xD
2016-05-12 16:24
oi cunt its all they understand mate
2016-05-12 16:25
haha indeed xD this gives me World Cup memories, I never heard so much "cunt" in my life
2016-05-12 16:30
we use the word cunt like a full stopcunt comma or exclamationcunt Cunt = punctuationCUNT
2016-05-13 01:21
History as taught in greek schools is often used to inflate nationalism and the orthodox christian religion... Also its too damn long (so many thousands of years, ugh!).
2016-05-12 16:19
I lived in 3 countries Poland, Switzerland and USA. I think the best history class I ever had was in Switzerland. It was very detailed it mainly focused on the Swiss POV but also discussed the countries around it. The second best was in Poland. We had a terrible history and it was described to me in detail. I remember it to this day and I took the class 7 years ago. The history classes in the US are ok. In my school they divided the material 2 years Global History and 1 year US. The global history was pretty good but the US is terrible. And to answer your question, yes history differs from country to country.
2016-05-12 16:24
Some countries like to tell fairy tales and claim them as history
2016-05-12 16:26
they say hitler was right i cry they laugh we all laugh he does suicide
2016-05-12 16:28
Frensh Revolution, WW1, WW2 & everything around it, immigrations, Religions like islam, Christianity, Judaism etc. And colonies and so on, thats what I have learned yet
2016-05-12 17:04
in germany: hitler hitler hitler cuz hitler was austrian so that makes all germans bad -> LOGIC :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
2016-05-12 17:15
dafuq m8
2016-05-12 21:28
I'm a university student of history here in Brazil . We Studied many french, english and german historians . Mainly french and we are influenced by the Annales school.
2016-05-12 21:44
Very much so. Several of my teachers point out biased in my Textbooks.
2016-05-13 00:14
We all learn or have learned different shit, all of it is propaganda, education system stopped teaching about real history centuries ago.
2016-05-13 00:28
ukraine history bestest
2016-05-13 00:52
Yeah I took History for my GCSE and we're learning about british politics in 1890-1918 (about the liberals), Nicholas II and the revolution in 1918 and the american boom in 1920 and all the presidents etc
2016-05-13 00:53
#174
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Portugal antCB
once the greatest empire in the world. Today they say we're Spain. :'(~~~~
2016-05-13 00:53
#180
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Bulgaria b0xeR4et0
Ask the macedonians :D
2016-05-13 01:22
We study ancient western and eastern societies, discovery and colonization of Americas, history of Europe and so on. But the main thing we learn from history/geopolitcs classes in Brazil is that socialism is good and free market is evil.
2016-05-13 01:58
In German schools they teach you that Hitler was good
2016-05-13 15:43
It's really bullshit in German, full of brainwashing etc
2016-05-13 15:51
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