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Top 10 NA teams
United States sEx6TenZ 
1. Cloud9 2. Liquid 3. OpTiC 4. EchoFox 5. CLG 6. TSM 7. Selfless 8. NRG 9. CompLexity 10. Splyce Post your list
2016-05-23 21:55
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echofox and optic kek
2016-05-23 21:56
optic>tempostorm. They are the only na team that can beat them.
2016-05-23 22:17
Clg beat tempo the last 2 bo3s they faced each other in
2016-05-23 22:23
clg will get a shit player
2016-05-23 22:42
#37
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African Union master kek 
hi
2016-05-23 22:35
Top NA = 1. LG 2. TemPo STorm 3. WinOUt
2016-05-23 23:58
lmao another Fakeflagger
2016-05-24 00:39
c9 top 5 NA. how to IMPrOOOVE C9= -n0thing +b0ltz (both have number ZERO 000 in nAME) -Shroud +FeLPs (1 is scared Noob, 1 is BR GOD!!) u agree?
2016-05-24 00:45
I think Boltz has an o not a 0 n0thing and shrood are gods Change your flag
2016-05-24 00:51
Nothing ANd SHrouD need BIG halp I think SlemMY only PLAYER who Can help. Nothing AND HSOURD can LEARN by Watching much BETTER player SLEMMy play. GL to SlemMY haLping Nothing and SHOURD Improove
2016-05-24 00:56
-_- wow I really hope for your weel-being that you are joking/trolling
2016-05-24 00:58
obvious SLeMMY top 2 C9 playe -n0thing +b0lTZ -ShOUD +FelPS -SkaDILdo +ZqKS STeWIe2k Worst CS name BEST c9 PLAYER he stay AT C9. SlemY, STeWie, b0lT, FelpS, ZqKS VERY STRONG teama
2016-05-24 01:00
Optic is, IMO, the best NA team atm. Liquid, C9 and CLG all lack consistency and honestly I can not see a world in which any of the three beat Astralis in a BO1 and Tempo Storm on two BO3's on LAN not too long after that (maybe liquid if they didn't choke). I could be overhyping OG though. Then, Liquid. They seem to be the most consistent team of the three mentioned before and the one who puts up most of a fight. With peacemaker on the team, they've potential to actually be contenders for some international LANs. No idea about C9/CLG. I just can't see C9 as a consistent team anymore and I'm going to need some retraining if that's to change anytime soon. CLG, they seemed like the best team coming out of Columbus but now I just don't know what to think of them.
2016-05-24 03:34
+1
2016-05-24 00:49
Nice bait.
2016-05-24 01:16
More like ShitOut
2016-05-24 01:18
Liquid beats C9 on LAN, C9 beats Liquid online, so id put Liquid number 1 as of now.
2016-05-23 21:58
Other than EPL finals, when was the last time they played on LAN?
2016-05-23 23:45
#67
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Estonia MorsAlbum 
then
2016-05-23 23:47
umm...
2016-05-23 23:52
Most of the lans C9 won, and C9 won way more matches against liquid than liquid against C9, so imo C9 being first is fair. besides, the esea lan was a week after slemmy came in, the online was like 2-3 weeks later.
2016-05-24 02:13
1. Liquid 2. Optic 3. C9 4. Clg 5. Nrg 6. TSM 7. Selfless 8. CompLexity 9. Echo Fox 10. Splyce
2016-05-23 21:59
OpTiC > BURGERS bye
2016-05-23 22:00
#5
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Brazil Reznor 
1 - Liquid 2 - Cloud9 3 - OG 4 - CLG 5 - TSM 6 - NRG 7 - Splyce 8 - CoL 9 - Selfless 10 - EchoFox For me
2016-05-23 22:00
#13
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United States hehexddd 
+1
2016-05-23 22:15
id switch selfless and tsm, then put tsm above Col and Splyce
2016-05-24 01:18
#155
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Brazil Reznor 
could be good too, i liked this rank above #6 but 7-10 is all shit
2016-05-24 03:44
#6
Brazil Scoth 
1. OpTiC (best NA team atm, thanks me later) 2. c9 3. Liquid 4. CLG 5. who cares
2016-05-23 22:00
+1, but Liquid > C9
2016-05-23 22:25
Lol no, 1. Liquid 2. CLG 3. C9/Optic 4. C9/Optic 5. Nrg 6. Selfless 7. Tsm 8. Winterfox 9. Splyce 10. Complexity 11. OverratedFox
2016-05-23 22:02
#9
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United States Scrub_Disney 
C9and OG>CLG m8
2016-05-23 22:04
CLG is trash, and Liquid is overrated chokers
2016-05-23 22:18
Clg and liquid are the only NA teams to do anything of note this year. All of NA is trash unfortunately. C9 is just more trash than CLG and liquid and OG hasn't quite proven themselves enough IMO.
2016-05-23 22:24
What did CLG and Liquid do other than make it out of the rwo easiest MLG groups and playing each other in the Quarterfinal?
2016-05-23 23:37
According to rankings at the time clgs group was the most difficult for them to get out of with 2 top 5 teams. There isn't really any truth to them having the easiest groups and getting out of groups at a major is more than c9 and og have done all year.
2016-05-23 23:56
NV TOP5 AAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH HLTV Confirmed
2016-05-24 00:30
You don't understand what "at the time" means huh. VP were slumping hard and not any better than NV at that time. C9 couldn't beat G2 and they were shit 3 months ago.
2016-05-24 00:35
yeah well G2 are still shit, but they had 1 good LAN
2016-05-24 00:38
#8
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United States Jamila 
Move SPLYCE up 4 spots
2016-05-23 22:02
#10
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United Kingdom akne 
1.Liquid 2.CLG 3.Irrelevant 4.Irrelevant 5.Irrelevant 6.Irrelevant 7.Irrelevant 8.Irrelevant 9.Irrelevant 10.Irrelevant
2016-05-23 22:05
Optic and C9 aren't irrelevant though Everyone else definitely is
2016-05-23 23:39
#108
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United Kingdom akne 
Flag checks out
2016-05-24 01:15
#11
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World lbmcs 
1. C9 2. Optic 3. ClG 4. TSM 5. NRG 6. Liquid 7. Selfless 8. Kaliber(may seem dumb but they show great potential with a 5 man roster 9. Spylce 10. Echofox
2016-05-23 22:10
Well Liquid isnt THAT bad and echofox has potential
2016-05-23 22:21
#25
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World lbmcs 
i think they are atm
2016-05-23 22:22
C9 1st when theyre not even 5th u deserve to die
2016-05-23 22:13
#14
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World lbmcs 
list 4 teams better than them in na.
2016-05-23 22:15
1. LG 2. TS 3. OG 4. Liquid 5. CLG
2016-05-23 22:17
#18
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World lbmcs 
ok we arent doing brazil so lg doesn't count or ts look at everyone's list obviously they are better liquid have looked SUPER shaky recently allmost lost to kaliber when they were using a sub..... And clg dont have 5. Optic I could agree with maybe
2016-05-23 22:18
Look both LG & TS are American ORGS and even on their webpage they say that TS and LG rosters are Americans. If you put them aside i would go: 1. Liquid 2. OG 3. CLG 4. Coud9 5. EchoFox idk why people underestimate CLG, If they get a better replacement than fugly they can even reach top1 NA
2016-05-23 22:20
#23
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World lbmcs 
Dude Liquid look trash at the moment have you watched them recently? Also tsm and nrg> EchoFox
2016-05-23 22:21
they are still top1 especially if they get twistzz/relyks for adren
2016-05-23 22:23
#30
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World lbmcs 
But but twistzz is making more money at tsm.....
2016-05-23 22:23
LG C9 TS TL OG if you include brazil
2016-05-23 22:24
#36
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World lbmcs 
lg ts og c9 clg
2016-05-23 22:34
Nice bait.
2016-05-24 01:17
Optic C9 - TL - CLG - NRG Others
2016-05-23 22:19
Umm... C9 almost always beats optic
2016-05-23 22:23
bruh optic hasn't played C9 in a whole month. Literally a whole month. That was when they just picked up mixwell (still settling with the team) and the time before that, Optic were being bitches with shazham so of course they lost. Whole different story if they played against each other again.
2016-05-24 02:01
C9 > OpTiC proof soon
2016-05-24 02:26
#20
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United States Free_Swag 
easy for optic, but they need to kick botslaw or daps move him to coach and get a better fragger.
2016-05-23 22:19
Daps not following their team rise, but I dont know, It maybe be bad for a team to change constantly, maybe this line need more time, they already achieved so much since Mixwell joined them.
2016-05-23 22:31
stan did have a really good tournament at the minor tho
2016-05-24 01:19
1. Optic 2. Liquid 3. C9 4. Clg ...
2016-05-23 22:22
#26
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Brazil prkz0r 
Splyce > Echofox ez lol
2016-05-23 22:22
why cloud 9 1?? You have to base it on achievements. CLG/OpTiC/Liquid should be top three.
2016-05-23 22:28
and where is faze?
2016-05-23 22:35
-fox
2016-05-23 22:37
depends on if its offline or on lan Online 1. CLG 2. C9 3. Selfless 4. NRG ............ 868548385940305. Liquid On lan: 1. Liquid 2. C9 3. Optic 4. NRG 5. CLG 6. Selfless
2016-05-23 22:38
>top1 online >5-17 in EPL pick one Liquid had one good LAN and now nobody can shut up about it.
2016-05-23 23:35
you're right, they used to be onliners but now they aren't anything...
2016-05-23 23:44
Online: CLG #1 oh no Optic is # 1 online CLG > c9 and NRG online
2016-05-23 23:41
+reperino me
2016-05-23 22:38
i need me
2016-05-23 22:54
#44
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United States kurt524 
Nice list overall but I would change some of the positions. In my opinion... 1. Liquid- Best results on LAN for any NA team even without Simple. Plays the best against top tier teams. 2. Cloud9- Stewie is quickly silencing the haters with his great play recently. Skadoodle and Shroud can never seem to play good during the same game though. 3. Optic- Shocked everyone by taking down Astralis (even if it was a BO1) and winning the MLG Minor against Tempo Storm. Mixwell has instantly made an impact since he joined the lineup. 4. CLG- Hard to put them there considering they don't have a full lineup but still have some of NA's top talent in JDM and Tarik and have proved to fair well against top teams. 5. Selfless- Young talent in Nifty and Relyks and fair well against most NA teams. 6. Echo Fox- Best NA IGL in Sean Gares. 7. NRG- Really good strat caller in gob b with skilled players ptr and just9n. 8. TSM- Talent in Semphis and Twistzz and can beat plenty of NA teams. 9. Splyce- Good enough to qualify for the major and almost beat CLG on LAN (1g in the chat). Davey is truly their saving grace. 10. Complexity- Lots of potential with this team. Should stop playing with stand-ins every game.
2016-05-23 22:57
Their one recent LAN better than C9 was with s1mple I think CLG is getting worse and worse
2016-05-23 23:30
#58
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United States kurt524 
They made it just as far as C9 in DH Austin and they beat C9 at ESL Pro League Finals. CLG isn't getting worse, they just don't have a full lineup right now. They're atrocious online but play very well on LAN and LAN > Online.
2016-05-23 23:43
#71
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North America Medusza 
I would argue that CLG is better than C9 only because they've had better results on LAN against international competition, CLG beat EnVyUs at GEC and the Major and beat Gambit who are decent, C9 hasn't beat someone from out of NA (not counting a shitty team like the Russian Method team) since summer 2015 and they had a different lineup back then. Since we don't know CLG's 5th player yet and they're getting shit on domestically you could probably get away with it for now tho.
2016-05-23 23:56
C9 beat Dignitas on LAN this year
2016-05-24 00:48
#103
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United States kurt524 
I highly believe CLG is the better team overall, but as you said, without a full lineup, I can't really but them above C9. I hope they can find a good 5th outside outside of NA like Optic did and become top 1 NA.
2016-05-24 00:59
#106
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North America Medusza 
If only Maikelele didn't want to primary awp again, he'd be a good fit and great for publicity.
2016-05-24 01:07
Very good list. Echo>selfless though
2016-05-23 23:43
#105
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United States kurt524 
I haven't seen much from Echo besides a few online games and I've seen Selfless perform decently on LAN. Echo Fox is also in the middle of building a new lineup, although Selfless just lost Uber. You could very well be right, but until I see Echo Fox perform on LAN (Eleague coming up soon), I'd put Selfless above them.
2016-05-24 01:05
#45
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North America Parars 
1. Liquid 2. Optic (Quickly becoming top 1 NA) 3. Cloud 9 4. CLG 5. NRG (very debatable) 6. Echofox (Steady flow of good players coming in, but Ryx seems to not do much in the matches I watch other than get eco and exit kills) 7. TSM 8. Splyce 9. Selfless (Very debatable) 10. Complexity (I gave up on this team honestly, Witmer is good tho)
2016-05-23 23:18
Optic Liquid c9 whatever
2016-05-23 23:23
gr8 b8 m8
2016-05-23 23:26
1. Optic 2. Liquid 3. Clown 9 4. CLG 5. NRG 6. Echofox 7. Splyce 8. TSM 9. Selfless 10. Complexity if you don't agree with this, u are retarded and should feel bad. thx.
2016-05-23 23:42
Wait guys, where is ENCE?
2016-05-23 23:45
1-madick 2-madick 3-urdick 4-madick 5-ourdick 6-herdick 7-madick 8-fuckdicks 9-noonecares 10-madick
2016-05-23 23:45
#69
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North America Medusza 
1. Liquid 2. CLG (if they get a good 5th player) 3. C9 4. Optic 5. NRG 6. EchoFox (if they sign Freak they'll probably rise up the ranks) 7. TSM 8. Selfless 9. Splyce 10. CompLexity
2016-05-23 23:53
1. Optic 2. C9 3. Liquid 4. TSM 5. CLG 6. Echo Fox 7. coL 8. NRG 9. Selfless (w/ Uber) 10. Splyce
2016-05-23 23:57
#75
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France kennySsSsS 
1.LG 2.TempoStorm 3.WinOut 4.G3X 5.Optic this is the real
2016-05-24 00:06
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Fakeflagger
2016-05-24 00:37
#88
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France kennySsSsS 
>Look at the flag >USA NA doesn't have good teams NA CS EleGiggle
2016-05-24 00:40
lmao you have nV if youre even a baguette which I doubt
2016-05-24 00:42
#90
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France kennySsSsS 
nV is a joke G2>NA
2016-05-24 00:44
G2 trash overrated team They are 100% going to crash and burn in the next month
2016-05-24 00:46
1-c9 2-optic 3-liquid 4-tsm 5-clg 6-nrg 7-ef 8-col 9-splyce 10-selfless
2016-05-24 00:34
+1 most reasonable reply iev seen so far
2016-05-24 00:36
ofc bro <3
2016-05-24 00:38
1. Liquid 2. Cloud 9 3. OpTic 4. CLG 5. TSM 6. NRG 7. Complexity 8. Selfless 9. Echo Fox 10. Splyce
2016-05-24 00:38
#87
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Argentina MyMatkhev 
1. OpTiC 2. Cloud9/Liquid 3. Liquid/Cloud9 4. CLG 5. TSM 6. Selfless/NRG 7. NRG/Selfless 8. coL 9. Splyce 10. Echo Fox
2016-05-24 00:40
#97
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United States Styles_ez4c9 
It's honestly shocking how fucking retarded you guys are. OpTiC won a tournament that the top 4 teams playing in NA literally couldn't go to because they are actually good.
2016-05-24 00:51
thats why I have that at #3 rather than #1 like all these retards
2016-05-24 00:57
more importantly, they won 2 BO3 vs Tempo Storm who has been making NA look like trash recently. C9 havent been beating them. CLG havent been beating them. also your logic says Splyce are better than OpTic as well
2016-05-24 01:12
clg won the last 2 bo3s they faced them in
2016-05-24 01:18
i meant to say liquid rip my bad classic amerifat stupidity
2016-05-24 01:24
#125
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United States Styles_ez4c9 
no it doesn't. my logic is that they won a glorified qualifier and everybody is praising them for it. Winning the minor is nothing but a footnote for teams that have no real chance at success.
2016-05-24 01:49
"OpTiC won a tournament that the top 4 teams playing in NA literally couldn't go to because they are actually good." Guess who didn't get to go because they are already past that? Splyce. I rest my case.
2016-05-24 01:51
#127
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United States Styles_ez4c9 
there are always outliers. are you going to pretend like Splyce went to the last minor. Didn't even win then got invited to the major qualifier anyway and then won two bo1s? Your case hinges on a team getting invited based on visa issues. Maybe don't rest your case, maybe throw it in the garbage where it belongs moron.
2016-05-24 01:54
Your argument literally cited teams not being at the minor as the SOLE reason that OpTic's win meant nothing. Splyce. Did. Not. Go. To. The. Minor. For the exact reason that C9 did. Maybe throw your argument in the garbage where it belongs.
2016-05-24 01:58
#129
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United States Styles_ez4c9 
my argument that winning a qualifier for an event all of the better teams in north america qualified for makes it mean nothing is 100% correct. All of the better teams did qualify. One worse team being there too means nothing for my argument. Yet your whole argument hinges on that. Is it that hard for you to accept you are wrong?
2016-05-24 02:00
You're attempting to change what you said and what you meant. Yes some of the best teams were not there. What you said carried the direct implication that the two things (teams being better and teams not being there) were directly related. Thus your argument centered around the claim that the teams that were not at the minor were inherently better, which was incorrect.
2016-05-24 02:02
#134
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United States Styles_ez4c9 
nope "OpTiC won a tournament that the top 4 teams playing in NA literally couldn't go to because they are actually good." I said the top 4 teams in NA which are LG, C9, CLG, and Liquid were not there. I said nothing about Splyce. I said those 4 teams, which are the best 4 teams in the region are not not there. I don't understand what you're even trying to argue. Nobody is crowning the winner of the EU minor as the best team in EU because the best teams in EU were not there. That doesn't mean that every single team better than them wasn't there. That just means the teams that have already solidified themselves as the top teams are not there. Stop trying to sound smart. You're trying to overcomplicate things. I said the best teams in NA aren't there, which makes OpTiCs win less impressive. That is a 100% factual statement. You're wrong. I'm right. Move past it.
2016-05-24 02:08
1. My list is #84, just 2 above your original post on this thread. I DO NOT THINK OPTIC ARE TOP2 NA idk wtf are you want why are you comparing this to EU minor at all anyway AND I'm not arguing that OpTic are best team NA. 2. If you can't understand my clearly written post maybe you should stop trying. 3. "You're trying to overcomplicate things." You are the one that said "OpTiC won a tournament that the top 4 teams playing in NA literally couldn't go to because they are actually good." instead of "the best teams in NA aren't there, which makes OpTiCs win less impressive." I can't take that accusation seriously. 4. "I said those 4 teams, which are the best 4 teams in the region are not not there." Going to assume this is a typo but please tell me if it isn't. 5.
2016-05-24 02:14
#137
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United States Styles_ez4c9 
why are you replying to me? what the fuck is that list? you're literally arguing with yourself.
2016-05-24 02:22
pls mr master of all life tell me my failure that i may correct it and become more like your enlightened greatness
2016-05-24 02:23
#139
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United States Styles_ez4c9 
okay i'll simplify it for you. minor qualifier is for teams that aren't good enough to be at the major qualifier already. splyce are an outlier and the worst team to ever compete in a major. winning a minor is not an accomplishment that should make a team rise in rankings. gg.
2016-05-24 02:25
ok how do your rankings work? in mine teams that win are considered better teach me your masterful ways o great one
2016-05-24 02:25
#142
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United States Styles_ez4c9 
This is what children who are too stubborn to realize they're wrong do.
2016-05-24 02:28
not answer the question? ok thx for showing example of child who is too stubborn to realize he is wrong.
2016-05-24 02:29
#144
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United States Styles_ez4c9 
"teach me your masterful ways o great one" "pls mr master of all life tell me my failure that i may correct it and become more like your enlightened greatness" you made a list that was incomprehensible then said that. You clearly don't want to have a discussion you just want an ego boost.
2016-05-24 02:31
i am honestly not sure if you know what sarcasm is regardless i am actually curious if you really think winning teams should not be considered better because that is what you said
2016-05-24 02:32
#146
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United States Styles_ez4c9 
"regardless i am actually curious if you really think winning teams should not be considered better" you have to acknowledge the quality of the wins. Optic was beating teams that aren't any good. TSM, NRG, Selfless and Tempo are all decent teams who were at that event. But selfless are terrible on LAN, NRG since beating Envyus haven't done anything, TSM has two kids who are new to the scene who we don't know how good they are. Tempo lost their coach. The quality of Optic's wins are unknown at the moment, there is no reason for any drastic shift in the rankings.
2016-05-24 02:35
Where would you rank OpTic?
2016-05-24 02:35
#148
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United States Styles_ez4c9 
right below the proven NA teams as they are clearly the best of the unproven teams. I think liquid and c9 are equal as they take turns being shit while the other is half decent. CLG would be right with them but they're missin g a 5th. so basically 1a. Liquid. 1b. C9 3 CLG 4. Optic If i was including the brazillians 1. LG. 2a. Liquid 2b. C9 4. CLG 5. Optic 6. Tempo tempo would be number 2 if they hadn't lost peacemaker, but they look way worse without him.
2016-05-24 02:41
i think we agree on how good optic are tbh i just think clg are much worse though they dont have many good viable options for their 5th
2016-05-24 02:43
LG Tempo Storm 1. Liquid 2. Cloud9 3. OpTic 4. CLG 5. TSM Renegades 6. NRG 7. Splyce 8. Selfless WinOut 9. compLexity 10. Echo/Winter Fox
2016-05-24 01:18
#116
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United States ZOOSK 
In NA: 1. Cloud9 2. Liquid 3. CLG 4. OpTic 5. EchoFox 6. compLexity 7. NRG 8. Splyce 9. Selfless 10. TSM Against International: 1. Liquid 2. CLG 3. OpTic 4. Cloud9 5. Splyce(they made it to major). 6. Is there anyone else?
2016-05-24 01:22
Burgers
2016-05-24 01:23
1.Liquid 2.C9 3.Optic 4.CLG rest who cares
2016-05-24 01:34
@arcabeZzZ sorry liquid and C9 Fangay but Optic is better than both the teams when they play well. And either ways c9 just beat liquid where is you're logic.......
2016-05-24 03:26
1.ence 2.ence 3.ence 4.ence 5.ence 6.ence 7.ence 8.ence 9.ence 10.maybe lg, but id give it to ence, ence is worldwide
2016-05-24 03:49
optic>c9 imo
2016-05-24 03:49
1.OG 2.C9 3.TL 4.CLG 5.NRG 6.TSM 7.Selfless 8.Splyce 9.Ocean team 10.a team of hackers that i forgot the name
2016-05-24 04:33
Virtus.pro
1.54
BIG
2.47
Riot Squad
2.65
INTZ
1.43
Heroic
1.95
MAD Lions
1.85
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