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NA CS Tiers
Netherlands LekkerZera 
Tier 1: SK, Immortals, Optic Tier 2: Cloud9, Renegades, NRG Tier 3: TSM, Liquid, EchoFox Tier 4: coL, Selfless, Splyce, CLG Tier 5: WFX, eUnited, Muffin Light, SoFa King Good Agree?
2016-09-28 03:32
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Tier 3: +paiN Tier 5: +LG
2016-09-28 03:33
Does NA need to have it's own tier set?
2016-09-28 03:33
I didn't say it needs to have its own tier. I just created a tier division that makes sense right now.
2016-09-28 03:35
Okay then, fine. If that's the case, C9 are still tier one, at least for now.
2016-09-28 03:38
the entire country is miles behind the world(not SK). give or take a team out performing their expectations here and there
2016-09-29 01:32
#3
fer | 
Brazil rAphaxd 
I stopped reading at SK
2016-09-28 03:34
#60
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United States B0bbutttoast 
if SK is tier 1 NA or global, then my cat with downs best player in the world.
2016-09-28 04:15
#61
fer | 
Brazil rAphaxd 
ok burguer, c9 is the real top1
2016-09-28 04:16
#62
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United States B0bbutttoast 
c9 isn't top 1, and i hate c9.
2016-09-28 04:17
#63
fer | 
Brazil rAphaxd 
liquid so
2016-09-28 04:18
#65
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United States B0bbutttoast 
i like liquid, but i don't think there close to the top.
2016-09-28 04:19
#106
shox | 
Sweden Mullbert 
I'd definitely put them over NRG though. And Renegades. You can't base your tierlist off of one single tournament
2016-10-05 01:35
#4
Monsen | 
Norway Piesso 
eUnited has a2z ez tier 1
2016-09-28 03:34
#5
Canada LuoL1 
"a2z is the best player in the world" - a2z
2016-09-28 03:35
a2z is legit
2016-09-28 03:35
#8
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France kennySsSsS 
sk tier 3 NA
2016-09-28 03:36
sk tier GOD NA
2016-09-28 03:37
Too many favela.
2016-09-28 03:43
Tier Favela: SK, IMM, paiN, LG ?
2016-09-28 03:44
Yes very good but what about one more favela.
2016-09-28 03:45
I think G3X might go to NA as well, lets see
2016-09-28 03:45
I still think OpTic is just as good as immortals atm at least.
2016-09-28 03:48
#9
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Canada RNJESUS^ 
optic beats c9 in 1 series and everyone is flipping shit, classic HLTV LUL
2016-09-28 03:36
#15
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World vesgon 
they won nothing and everyone from na talked shit about c9 top 1 lol
2016-09-28 03:41
#18
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Canada RNJESUS^ 
you the kinda person to believe trolls.
2016-09-28 03:43
#30
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World vesgon 
nah i dont believe... i just hate na fans
2016-09-28 03:48
#80
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Canada RNJESUS^ 
and i hate BRs because when IMM cheated on a lan all they could say is cry 9 even though that wasn't true lmao
2016-09-28 06:36
Actually this is the 2nd BO3 they've won in a row.
2016-09-28 03:42
and how many have they lost in a row?
2016-09-28 04:53
Against C9? 0 I'm confused by what you are even trying to say.
2016-09-28 05:52
sry, got confused. I meant against every team
2016-09-28 09:05
#11
Stewie2K | 
United Kingdom ASH1i 
these are so wrong
2016-09-28 03:37
Not really. sk and immortals traded 2-0's. Immortals and Optic trades 2-1. (Immortals almost won both). Immortals and Optic rekt C9. SK IMM and OPTC are in the same tier. Then we have the tier2 (good, but inconsistent: C9, Renegades and NRG) the formers are REALLY stepping up. Liquid is in a slump right now, losing to random NA teams. EchoFox are getting maps against C9, but losing to Muffin, but getting maps from Immortals as well, giving SK a hard time. They are tier3 NA for sure. The rest is just so the rest, pretty consistent with their results.
2016-09-28 03:40
#36
Stewie2K | 
United Kingdom ASH1i 
like i said, these are so wrong
2016-09-28 03:50
You keep saying that and not explaining it
2016-09-28 04:11
#98
Stewie2K | 
United Kingdom ASH1i 
i don't need to they are just so wrong
2016-09-30 00:20
Then your statement is invalidated
2016-09-30 01:07
no it isn't
2016-10-01 23:13
JUST SAY WHY THEN. Without any reasoning you're no better than a toddler saying "Nuh uh!"
2016-10-01 23:59
nah don't need to
2016-10-05 00:29
Then you're wrong. GG
2016-10-05 01:33
whatever you say man
2016-10-06 22:06
Optic - biggest onliners ever? LAN: Lost to HERIOC then lost to ECHO FOX (FUCKING ECHO FOX),flipside 3 with only beating TSM 2-1. ONLINE: BEAT SK BEAT C9 (X2) BEAT FUCKING IMMORTALS
2016-09-28 03:40
#16
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United States KpleeZy 
they haven't even been to a LAN with their new 5 smh
2016-09-28 03:41
tarik is solid. -daps +stanislaw ? not sure about that. today he played good, lets wait until stanislaw 4Head was 4Head the 4Head solution
2016-09-28 03:43
#22
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United States KpleeZy 
stan has performing really well like every match i've watched in the last ~week tbh
2016-09-28 03:45
yea, feelsbad for daps tho. good addition for any tier 3 I listed.
2016-09-28 03:46
#28
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United States KpleeZy 
yep, i was a fan of daps... he was the reason OpTic got mixwell [*]
2016-09-28 03:47
#41
North America Oakz 
they 16-3'd nip back at eleague and beat astralis very convincingly(16-7) back at gfinity finals i wouldnt say they're onliners, they just dont get to attend as many lans as other top tier na teams do
2016-09-28 03:52
#26
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Brazil 5WorldCup 
1 SK, IMT 2 C9 3 LIQUID, OPTIC, ECHO FOX
2016-09-28 03:46
IMT rekt C9. OPTC rekt C9 (2 bo3 in a row) IMT and OPTC trade victories (2-1) C9 tier 2 confirmed. OPTC tier 1 confirmed.
2016-09-28 03:48
#34
fnx | 
Brazil guiiyz 
lul
2016-09-28 03:50
I saw ur previous comment lil monkey :) optc and c9 t1.
2016-09-28 03:51
Should be 1SK IMT OPTIC 2 C9 RÊNGADES NRG 3 ECHO FOX TSM
2016-09-28 03:51
#54
RUSH | 
Canada Zebski 
Checks flag. OpTic traded bo3`s with IMM beat c9 in 2 bo3 and beat SK in bo3
2016-09-28 04:11
#32
nitr0 | 
United States H4wkx 
Granted Liquid is in a slump, we still have no right to put them at Tier 3 off of only online plays, since they're a more lan based team. So imo, they'll stay at Tier 2.
2016-09-28 03:48
Maybe. Let's wait to see how they do in ESL NY.
2016-09-28 03:50
#37
nitr0 | 
United States H4wkx 
Yeah.
2016-09-28 03:50
#44
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Brazil Lk1Ng 
tier 1 SK IMT rest is shit /close
2016-09-28 03:54
Lol more like tier 1 SK rest is shit. C9/Optic > IMT /close
2016-09-28 04:23
#52
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North America Medusza 
T1: SK, IMT T2: C9, OpTic, TSM, Liquid T3: EchoFox, NRG, Renegades T4: coL, CLG, WFX, Selfless, Denial, EUnited, Splyce, LG T5: Mix teams of leftovers from the shuffles like MuffinLightning and SubtLe and the vast majority of teams in ESEA-P
2016-09-28 04:09
#55
RUSH | 
Canada Zebski 
Dont think IMM is any better than Optic either IMM go down a tier or optic to teir 1
2016-09-28 04:12
Optic go up 1 tier. IMM and Optic are very sided right now. They traded bo3's (2-1 each). But the second bo3, was 1-1, last map IMM was like 13-3 playing CT side on train after win the pistol round. And still lost :(
2016-09-28 04:14
Not sure about Liquid: imgur.com/a/L536f U also forgot about paiN. Traded maps w/ IMM, won map against Selfless, and is definitely better than LG right now.
2016-09-28 04:12
T4: coL? you serious? Complexity is like tier 5000, have they even won a single game since this line up was made? None of the games are even close they can't even get 10 rounds they win 3-6 rounds per game they are the worst tier 4 team of all time if you actually consider them tier 4.
2016-09-28 04:19
#67
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North America Medusza 
At least they are in leagues and we have recorded matches of them, you could argue that they should go down but they're winning enough to stay pretty stagnant in the lower part of pro league standings so there's for sure worse teams.
2016-09-28 04:52
Yeah they gave them a pro league spot because of the org nothing else, they wouldn't even be good enough for premier.
2016-09-28 04:54
#71
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North America Medusza 
There's some pretty shit teams in premier, all memes aside if OCEAN can remain relevant and in a decent premier team coL could too.
2016-09-28 04:55
Why does Ocean get so much hate? You know he's the one who found Stewie2k right? He gave him his first chance and now look at where Stew is today. Ocean has an eye for talent and many players who at the top of NA leagues right now were once on a lineup with Ocean when they were nobodies. Ocean is better than every player on Complexity so I don't know how that is relevant. Complexity are like 1-30 in EPL and barely winning 3-6 rounds a game they don't deserve that spot is pretty obvious only reason they have it is cause the ORG and nothing else.
2016-09-28 04:59
#57
RUSH | 
Canada Zebski 
T1: SK, IMM, OpTic, C9 T2: TSM, Liquid, Echo Fox, NRG, RNG T3: CoL, Splyce, EUnited, Selfless, WFX and some other teams in pro league T4: Everyone else
2016-09-28 04:13
looks good +1
2016-09-28 04:14
Optic t1? beating c9 doesnt mean you're t1 lmao
2016-09-28 04:56
Remember, we're talking about tier1 NA, not T1 of the rest of the world. If you put Optic against anyone else on this list, MOST LIKELY they will beat everyone below tier1.
2016-09-28 05:26
ik it's about NA lol, I just don't really see how they're a T1 NA team
2016-09-28 05:44
#82
RUSH | 
Canada Zebski 
Beat SK in a bo3 traded bo3s with IMM beat c9 in their last 2 bo3s This was not just one fluke win over c9...
2016-09-28 13:08
Sk = shit C9 beat imt online even more convincingly (like 16-5, 16-7 if I recall correctly?) and yeah, they beat C9 in their stuff point is theyre still losing to teams like liquid
2016-09-28 17:04
#86
RUSH | 
Canada Zebski 
c9 loses to Imt and echo fox, why are they t1 then?
2016-09-28 19:13
SK lost to rng 16-0, why are they t1?
2016-09-28 23:05
#91
RUSH | 
Canada Zebski 
Thats not the point im making, and thats 1 map with a standin. Everyone loses, but good teams beat good teams. You can't deny optic have been beating good teams.
2016-09-29 01:22
They're the #1 team. You should be able to get at least 8 rounds, especially considering RNG wasn't even a top20 team. So has C9. So has Liquid. doesn't mean optic is a t1 NA team
2016-09-29 01:24
#93
RUSH | 
Canada Zebski 
Liquid has been winning???? Haven't been winning in a while and will get de_Stroyed at New York, Optic are t1 NA like it or not.
2016-09-29 01:25
T1 in your world or in reality? until some people who actually understand something about the scene says they're t1 NA, they aren't t1 NA get over yourself ffs, and consider going back to cod
2016-09-29 05:11
#96
RUSH | 
Canada Zebski 
Do you understand something about the scene? Why is you opinion correct? And you should consider moving to a better country.
2016-09-29 13:06
you should start with this: hltv.org/ranking/teams/2016/september/26.. and that's ironic considering the country I live in is much better than yours
2016-09-29 20:27
#87
NAF | 
Canada cStrilly 
+1
2016-09-28 19:16
C9 - lose a bo3 while on a 21-1 streak, hltv flips out and "cry9", "clown9" when c9 wins a bo3 "c9 fans are the worst" hltv LUL
2016-09-28 04:54
#75
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New Zealand Glyphiss 
I would probably put Winterfox as tier 4 and Cloud 9 tier 1
2016-09-28 05:27
#76
AZR | 
Oceania cwns 
C9 tier 1, WFX T4 / Low T3
2016-09-28 05:32
u said tears ? LUL
2016-09-28 05:34
LOL cloud 9 tier 2, retard confirmed
2016-09-28 17:08
Mr Favela, just because optic has online results doesnt make them tier 1 na, and just because c9 lost online, doesn't make them tier 2 na.
2016-09-28 17:11
#88
United States BanU 
OG isnt Tier 1 end of story
2016-09-28 19:18
#90
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Denmark mikey4320 
Stopped reading at C9 tier2
2016-09-28 23:06
i think c9 is at another level compared to rng and nrg
2016-10-01 23:15
Liquid T3 Immortals T1 nt favela
2016-10-05 00:32
North
1.59
Sprout
2.36
Cloud9
1.50
Renegades
2.36
Heroic
1.95
MAD Lions
1.85
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