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VP/NaVI ESL
Netherlands LekkerZera 
People saying that they're potentially numbah 1 and numbah 2 and can't event qualify to ESL finals? They can't place themselves between first 6 teams out of 24? What a joke! LUL Even with shit teams like Flipside, Heroic, HR, PENTA, G2, Faze, Mouz... lol wtf?!
2016-10-13 19:43
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look at sk last games
2016-10-13 19:44
?
2016-10-13 19:44
he wasnt even talking about SK, comon haters...
2016-10-13 19:46
so who is n1? sk? xDD
2016-10-13 19:46
i dont know, but VP and Na'Vi arent :)
2016-10-13 19:47
VP is the #1 team right now lol
2016-10-13 19:55
no, they arent
2016-10-13 19:56
yes, they are
2016-10-13 19:57
no, they arent
2016-10-13 21:40
yes, they are
2016-10-13 21:45
no, they arent
2016-10-13 21:46
who cares, we all know that VP is #1
2016-10-13 21:46
#93
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United States DeAlphy 
who cares, we all know that VP is #1
2016-10-13 21:47
no, they arent
2016-10-13 21:49
#97
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United States DeAlphy 
who cares, we all know that VP is #1!
2016-10-13 21:51
no, they arent
2016-10-13 21:54
#101
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United States DeAlphy 
mad cause sk is bad?
2016-10-13 21:56
no, i'm not
2016-10-13 21:59
yes u are ;)mad mon
2016-10-17 15:04
:)
2016-10-17 15:05
yes they are
2016-10-13 20:50
they are
2016-10-13 20:51
#81
shrek | 
United States shrek1 
yes, they are
2016-10-13 21:19
Yes, they are
2016-10-13 21:48
well. SK at least qualified in the NA brackets. but as lucblt said, I didn't mention SK in the thread at all.
2016-10-13 19:48
#19
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Brunei Jar_Jar_Binks 
NA brackets rofl evem the worst eu team would qualify there ...
2016-10-13 19:51
Sure? Liquid didn't qualify as well. Liquid beat G2/Fnatic in ESL NY. Liquid got in the semi finals, while G2/Fnatic/Astralis did not. Liquid got to the last Major finals, beating Fnatic and Navi. Read #22 and re-think NA man.
2016-10-13 19:55
online shit tourmanent. what do you expect? vp sucks online XD sure, the lan finals are nice but the leauge... crap imo
2016-10-13 20:45
I don't see why this is an "online shit tournament". If you can't make a 48 teams lan, you have to do a qualifier. If u have teams from 10+ countries, the best way to do it, is to make sure they all play against each other, in online matches. I think this "sucks online" sounds like an excuse.
2016-10-13 20:46
It's hard to understand but VP on lan and VP online is a different story for some reason. on lan they are ussualy very good but online they can choke a lot ( like the loose with penta XD for example)
2016-10-13 22:55
dafak haha, europe isnt that good tbh
2016-10-13 19:55
#39
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Brunei Jar_Jar_Binks 
EU majors?? NA+SA majors???
2016-10-13 20:06
i'm not talking about majors, i'm saying that the worst eu team wouldnt qualify in NA btw, if we talk about major, SA won all the majors this year, and we are talking about NOW, not about all the time because this doesnt matter anymore
2016-10-13 20:09
#43
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Brunei Jar_Jar_Binks 
if we are talking about now, who won Esl ny and who won eleague???
2016-10-13 20:11
oh, i thought that u were talking about majors, why u changed ur point? damn bro haha
2016-10-13 20:11
#63
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Hungary Shaperz 
dude just stop, he reks u with every comment he makes.
2016-10-13 20:42
#77
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United States navierstokes 
if you're talking about now, who made more money in this year, sk or vp? lel
2016-10-13 21:10
Nrg just did? They're tier 3 team that wont even get t4 at the eu minor
2016-10-13 21:47
Virtus.premier 4Head
2016-10-13 19:45
online :) on the other hand teams like NRG and OpTiC are already qualified
2016-10-13 19:46
Of course they are. OPTIC is top4 NA. NRG was competing the other spot with echofox/rng. Luck that Liquid did bad as well..
2016-10-13 19:47
NA has too many spots that was my point
2016-10-13 19:48
?? I don't get. NA = 6 spots, EU = 6 spots. Faze, Mouz, Fnatic, qualified... VP and Navi didnt.
2016-10-13 19:49
meaning EU should get more slot because more top team , NA getting 6 slot is a joke and nobody with a decent brain could argue that
2016-10-13 20:01
Read #22.
2016-10-13 20:02
face reality dude ,NA getting the same number of slot since the begining isn't fair for EU , NA always have been shit compared to EU teams , getting 4 invite instead of 6 would be a begining. NA stepping up ? so you're admiting we were right but now it's fair ? c9 , optic & liquid beating EU teams should be taken into consideration ? well tier3 team from EU beat those team , so if we think like you EU should get even more than 8slot lel.
2016-10-13 20:11
well. tier3 EU is not beating Optic and Liquid AT ALL. as I said, optic and liquid did better than tier1 eu g2/fnatic/astrallis. just vp and navi did better, and they BOTH didnt qualify. my point is that things are getting more balanced. we won't see this EU dominance anymore. so 6 spots for NA is good, so teams like NRG and Renegades can prove themselves against Faze and Mouz.
2016-10-13 20:13
by your logic,NRG deserves spot rofl
2016-10-13 20:14
more balanced ahah dude it will never be balanced except if EU teams go to NA to get those slots
2016-10-13 20:15
Stop living in the past. Eu cs is bad right now and plenty of NA teams would stomp teams like f3, heroic, Astralis, Nv, HR, Penta, etc. There are only a couple Eu teams that are probably better than top Na/as teams.
2016-10-13 20:55
LOL i hope it's a bait
2016-10-13 21:07
Nope, all those teams are worse than sk, immortals, c9, optic, liquid. Hell, half the teams qualifying in eu are worse than all of those teams. MS, NV, and Faze are all really bad.
2016-10-13 21:13
let's put aside the brazilians because SA =/= NA c9 never won anything against EU (oh yeah bo3 maybe but tournament ? ;)) , liquid is sometimes good sometimes bad , without s1mple i can't see them at the final of the next major , optic ? yeah could win a bo1 or 2 , heroic astralis envy MS & faze could ez win all those team
2016-10-13 21:18
C9 and optic probably won't win tournaments, but they will beat heroic, Astralis, envy, mouse, and faze in bo1 or bo3. They will lose to teams like na'vi, VP, SK, but those are the only teams with a chance to win things unless fnatic, nip, or someone like that steps up a lot.
2016-10-13 22:08
the 10 first of esl pl4 can ez win against optic & c9. now take the NA one , nrg rng optic have what 15-20% chance of winning a bo3 against the 10 first from EU , and 1% chance of winning an event ?
2016-10-13 23:07
Optic can beat all but like 3 or 4 teams in EU EPL. NRG may be more like 8 or so, but to be fair I feel like they should have gotten like 8th in NA as well. Edit: Like if you seriously think Astralis is better than Optic or C9 you are just dumb and out of touch with CS currently.
2016-10-13 23:11
i clearly prefer to have navi/g2/vp than nrg rng & optic at the finals ,astralis is in a slump and will be back even like this they're better than NA lel
2016-10-13 23:15
G2 has been terrible lately Na'Vi and VP have been playing well on lan, but they are the best teams EU. Faze, NV, MS, Astralis, and G2 could all easily lose to Optic or C9 in a BO3.
2016-10-13 23:17
could easily win against optic or c9*
2016-10-13 23:19
G2 is 0-2 against NA teams recently, Astralis is 0-1, NV is 1-3, Faze 0-1, MS 0-0. You are either dumb or trolling. That is 1-7 overall those team vs top NA teams. Face it EU is bad now. Edit: And that is as far as maps. None of them have won a single match against a top NA team. The only map won was in a BO3 NV vs C9. You have to face the fact that EU T2 is shit compared to NA T1 right now.
2016-10-14 00:36
Team achievements c9 Majors Group stage at MLG Columbus 2016 Group stage at DreamHack Open Cluj-Napoca 2015 Group stage at ESL One Cologne 2015 Group stage at ESL One Katowice 2015 Group stage at DreamHack Winter 2014 i can see improvement over the years never won something except some shit in NA, you are still far behind vp navi g2 astralis even envy.
2016-10-14 00:50
hey , nice joke c9 couldn't won against faze with a new player in U.S ahah you thought they could win any EU team but can't even win against fucking faze mate you are just dumb and out of touch with CS currently ? ;)
2016-10-23 04:56
also , is it EU fault if NA is getting colonize by brazilian teams ?
2016-10-13 20:13
lol XD TSM, NRG, Echofox, RNG are improving a lot.
2016-10-13 20:14
wtf those are trash compared to EU tier1-2 even 3
2016-10-13 20:16
yea, trash compared to tier1. I bet they can beat tier3 tho.
2016-10-13 20:30
hltv.org/match/2304295-crowns-echo-fox-e.. hltv.org/match/2304289-echo-fox-alternat.. beat those team after you can talk about heroic astralis envy f3
2016-10-13 21:11
TSM, NRG, Echofox, RNG are improving a lot. I hope you are baiting
2016-10-13 20:16
The point hes talking about is that VP, Na'vi > all of these teams from EU that qualified
2016-10-13 22:09
and we are talking about EU should get more slots , look at the team who didn't qualify , g2 navi vp or dig astralis even heroic who play well , all those team clearly are superior than tsm echofox rng nrg
2016-10-13 22:58
yeah, maybe 4 for NA and 8 for europe would be good
2016-10-13 19:51
#5
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Russia pEndos 
you forgot too add SK and Immortals to that list of "shit teams".
2016-10-13 19:46
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Poland Stitches1337 
+1
2016-10-15 16:04
sad, vp have many brazilian fans :(
2016-10-13 19:46
#8
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World TjaY02x 
Because in europe many good teams not like in NA
2016-10-13 19:46
This is not true anymore man.. sorry. NA is stepping up. Optic and Liquid did better than G2, Fnatic and Astralis in ESL NY. C9 rekt all tier2 EU recently. In the last 2 Immortals EU lans they beat Godsent, Nip, Heroic, VP.
2016-10-13 19:52
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World TjaY02x 
Rekted who? in big tournaments na still get rekt from eu, luiqid in semis in lar major coz s1mple carry, c9 won nothing
2016-10-13 21:47
#99
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France Chagror 
NA deserve some spot, but there is far more top teams in EU, 4 spots would be great for NA,there is 5 great teams and others are trash ,u can't say than NRG can compet with Navi or G2, but NRG got a spot, Navi and G2 don't.
2016-10-13 21:54
Meanwhile SK losing to NRG and CLG LUL
2016-10-13 19:47
Qualified :)
2016-10-13 19:50
Yes esl new york sad hm ? I know
2016-10-13 19:59
? Try portuguese man, I can't understand what u trying to say.
2016-10-13 19:59
then you should talk portuguese
2016-10-13 22:51
I'm fluent in english man. "YES, ESL NY SAD, HM - ?" what kind of english is this? I answered the other guy that SK qualified for ESL finals. And this dude told me that "yes, ESL NY is sad? LUL He better tries portuguese.. I might understand his portuguese, although it's slightly different from pt-BR.
2016-10-13 22:54
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Poland m@rulek 
NAVI and VP play with ping 50-60 ;p France, Sweden or German teams with 20-30 max. East Europe ;/ servers on Nederland etc. ;/
2016-10-13 19:57
Shut up what means online games ? Vp cant qualify, but in Lans they are top3 like navi, just stop being a sk fangay
2016-10-13 19:57
????????????? They didn't qualify for a lan championship and you are using this stupid ass subject such as "ohhh they are playing online who cares" THEY CARE BECAUSE THEY DEPEND ON ONLINE GAMES TO QUALIFY FOR THE LAN EVENT ignorant.
2016-10-13 20:00
Ignorant ? Men Yes just because they cant qualify they are bas you guys need start seeing cs Virtus pro dont qualify but they win lans, navi dont qualify and they win esl new york and IEM san jose will be them
2016-10-13 21:31
They are not bad, they are inconsistent just like SK, just like VP. What I'm saying is that NaVi is the same fucking thing as SK, so you twats can stop the hate train already
2016-10-13 21:58
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Russia razorVJ 
VP and Na`Vi have always been bad online. It's a shame that such big events as EPL have fully online qualifiers.
2016-10-13 20:00
Even with shit teams like Flipside, Heroic, HR, PENTA, G2, Faze, Mouz. Top KEK
2016-10-13 20:06
lol at brazil and NA fans making fun of EU teams ,while playing in the NA region. Even fucking NRG qualified from the NA region,and they can even beat flipside
2016-10-13 20:13
Flipside, Heroic, HR, PENTA, G2, Faze, Mouz All of them are better than Renegades hltv.org/match/2304228-renegades-sk-esl-..
2016-10-13 20:13
I think RNG would beat them all.
2016-10-13 20:30
i think they would beat only SK and some shit NA teams
2016-10-13 20:31
nah, I think they would easily beat all the teams you mentioned, just G2/Faze/Mouz could get 1 map in a Bo3, but would lose for sure. jks is a beast.
2016-10-13 20:32
Renegades cant even beat the mongolz if they wanted to.
2016-10-13 20:33
I hope you don't follow the CS:GO scene that closely m8, cuz RNG are playing really well recently. RNG went 2-0 against Sk, Liquid. Also won maps against Optic. Let's use a lil bit of logic here. SK rekted whole world. Liquid reketed whole EU. Optic did better than G2/Fnatic/Astralis in ESL NY. So, if a team can play in the same level as those teams, of course they can beat tier3 EU. Just use some logic dude, pls.
2016-10-13 20:39
h A h A h A Your are over rating online games. You wont even see renegades fail now,coz they are going to major qualifiers,as if they stand a chance :P
2016-10-13 20:41
I saw that, VISA issues =/ At least u will see them rekt everyone at the minor.
2016-10-13 20:41
Not visa issues. They dont have visa issues,they chose to attend minor and not ESL finals,coz they dont have a chance at the ESL finals :)
2016-10-13 20:42
Of course they don't have a chance, SK and Immortals gunna be there. No one has a chance ;)
2016-10-13 20:43
SK is a great team,immortals is good,but can do better.They are not unbeatable.
2016-10-13 20:44
Yea, zews sucks. Like.. really. Of course they're not! No one is unbeatable!
2016-10-13 20:45
Bro you are over rating the shit out of renegades haven't you noticed they can't qualify for anything they simply are not good enough to even qualify for events so they pray for invites or more tier 3 NA LANs so they can attend some events.
2016-10-13 21:45
#66
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Turkey powergs 
Na scene is irrelevant man they re just shit and expect penta (which in online they re pretty good) all teams better than rng
2016-10-13 20:43
?
2016-10-13 20:44
hehehe :D
2016-10-13 22:46
nice joke
2016-10-15 15:55
intresting to watch SK in EU division
2016-10-13 20:34
faze, dignitas... shit onliners tourmanent
2016-10-13 20:58
inb4 mad Na'vi & VP fans telling you online doesn't mean anything, have fun watching the tournament without your favourite team there cause they don't take online seriously.
2016-10-13 21:43
online = LAN BR logic
2016-10-13 21:45
#98
Poland n1u 
You know that advance to the global finals in any league from EU quals is way harder than anywhere, fucking monkey? What oponents SK have - C9, Liquid? Don't make ma laugh. And also - VP never could play online. I don't know how in Na'Vi.
2016-10-13 21:52
mouz and FaZe r onliners, easy answer.
2016-10-13 22:00
wow you have team with a 1 year of suces , be praud look this maestro VP achievements CS GO majors 3rd at ESL One Cologne 2016 1/4 final at MLG Columbus 2016 1/4 final at DreamHack Open Cluj-Napoca 2015 3rd at ESL One Cologne 2015 3rd at ESL One Katowice 2015 3rd at DreamHack Winter 2014 1/4 final at ESL One Cologne 2014 1st at EMS One Katowice 2014 last lans 3rd at WESG 2016 Europe & CIS Regional Finals 2nd at ESL One New York 2016 1st at DreamHack ZOWIE Open Bucharest 2016 3rd at ESL One Cologne 2016 1st at ELEAGUE Season 1 1st at SL i-League Invitational #1 3rd at CEVO Gfinity Professional Season 9 Finals 1/4 final at MLG Columbus 2016 3rd at Counter Pit League Season 2 Finals 3rd at FACEIT League 2015 Stage 3 Finals at DH Winter 2015 1st at CEVO Professional Season 8 Finals 1/4 final at DreamHack Open Cluj-Napoca 2015 2nd at PGL Season 1 Finals 3rd at Gfinity 2015 Champion of Champions 1st at ESL ESEA Dubai Invitational 2015 3rd at ESL One Cologne 2015 1st at CEVO Professional Season 7 Finals 3rd at ESL ESEA Pro League Season 1 Finals 2nd at Gfinity 2015 Spring Masters 2 3rd at FACEIT League 2015 Stage 1 Finals 1st at ESEA Invite Season 18 Global Finals 1st at Copenhagen Games 2015 3rd at Gfinity 2015 Spring Masters 1 3rd at ESL One Katowice 2015 cs 1.6 hltv.org/blog/5754-history-in-the-making.. And now take your no1 for Sk if you want ... how long they will be on top?? 2 moths ?? 1 year ?/ maybe 2 years ?? maybe ... but they never be a LEGENDS like the guys from VP ;)
2016-10-13 22:23
Whoah lol What about their 13-16th placing at SL StarSeries S2?
2016-10-15 15:57
shit happens sometimes :) Take Renegades 16-0 SK for example :)
2016-10-15 15:59
i wonder why people ask "how are VP top2" when this is the answer
2016-10-15 15:58
yep
2016-10-15 19:05
VP is #1
2016-10-15 16:01
do you have somthing more to say ??
2016-10-17 15:01
really dude? You`re saying faze and Mouz are tier 2 teams?? Have you been watching the games recently?? They are playing very well. I think this is the most balanced time in csgo history, any team can win against any team, you never know mate. Between the top 10.
2016-10-23 05:19
mouz and Faze are truly Tier2 teams.
2016-10-23 05:23
you are saying that because they play in europe!! And the scene is so big and balanced, but imagine if faze and mouz played in NA, they would be top5 for sure. If faze and Mouz are tier 2 teams, the only tier 1 team in NA is SK.
2016-10-23 05:34
what a wonderful story my friendo, but Liquid and C9 are tier1 NA teams, SK is SA team.
2016-10-23 05:35
SK has a brazilian roster, but they play in NA tournaments mate.
2016-10-23 05:37
Typical brazilian logic... So Sk are russians then, cuz they play EPICENTER now.
2016-10-23 05:38
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2016-10-23 05:39
xD
2016-10-23 05:39
#141
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Sweden Traitorz0r 
well, you just rekt the troll, gratz
2016-10-23 05:40
It`s happening in russia man, but it`s a worldwide tournament pls, AMERICA`S QUALIFIER, EUROPE QUALIFIER -> FINALS.
2016-10-23 05:40
LUL rekt him
2016-10-23 05:41
lul those favelas.. :D
2016-10-23 05:44
:DD
2016-10-23 05:45
You guys need to understand that there are TWO big Counter-Strike scenes where tournaments are held. NA and Europe, There are some tournaments that are worldwide and put those two together, sometimes held in EU and sometimes held in NA, that`s not hard to understand, dumb bigmac bitches
2016-10-23 05:50
vp-navi final
2016-10-23 05:38
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