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s1mple ruined NaVi
Brazil Hyzek 
NaVi is bad because s1mple ruined the team chemistry. He is doing whatever he wants in the server, not respecting team decisions, force buying, overpeeking and even raging at this teammates. S1MPLE MADE NAVI WORSE! THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. That's why coldzera is miles ahead of him. -s1mple +ZEUS MAKE NAVI GREAT AGAIN
2016-11-26 20:25
FalleN | 
Brazil tails36 
It was good until the "That's why coldzera is miles ahead of him." mate
2016-11-26 20:26
FalleN | 
Brazil tails36 
They are both very good players, and I doubt they would acomplish anything alone. They are beasts in aim, reflex, and this kinda of stuff. Na'Vi just need to figure out how to use this to their favor, like falleN uses cold ability in his team. Don't start the "x player is better than y player" shit EDIT: sorry for bad englando
2016-11-26 20:29
Sweden Madrigals1 
Your englando is pretty normal tbh
2016-11-26 20:31
Brazil Hyzek 
coldzera is fucking everything, fucking rifler, awp-er, igl and team player s1mple is just topfragging that's all theres a MASSIVE gap between them
2016-11-26 20:32
shroud | 
Netherlands Kreyvex 
IGL. Interesting
2016-11-26 20:32
FalleN | 
Brazil tails36 
cold igl? not sure if you're serious or just baiting now. I feel stupid lol
2016-11-26 20:35
he calls sometimes
2016-11-26 20:36
FalleN | 
Brazil tails36 
Yeah, but given that everyone is playing its respective roles (in this case, FalleN is calling), s1mple is amazing as cold. In ESL NY they play pretty much like this: s1mple is loose in the map, and they work from picks he get. That should aways be Na'Vi strat, if you don't remember, nitr0 once said that s1mple don't follow the team strats and had a lot of problems with peacemaker at the time. So, in aim duels, making plays, using deagle, they are both amazing, Na'Vi just don't know how to make good use of this as SK does
2016-11-26 20:42
FalleN | 
Brazil tails36 
TL.dr: in raw skill, they are both amazing. S1mple can't be consistent as cold because no one make good use of his ability
2016-11-26 20:43
Just ignore him, he is baiting.
2016-11-27 13:16
rain | 
Netherlands Nahoo 
This is a 100% correct and its the only thing that differs Cold from S1mple as a player
2017-02-16 06:10
Brazil m1tzin 
yep, fallen said that he and cold call the shots, the most part is fallen, but cold says a lot, if you watch the video of mamacita do global xD, you can say cold say how to play the round
2017-02-16 06:41
FalleN | 
Brazil tails36 
2017-02-16 12:30
Brazil Brazilian Wax 
Cold was igl in his previous teams, that's no news...
2017-02-16 13:10
not sure if u r troll or a retard
2017-02-16 13:45
World RamziMeister 
Will never be a better player than olofmeister in his peak, olof at his peak was better than any awper any rifler which coldzera is not, cold is just a meh player.
2017-02-16 12:43
United States NA_CS_FAN 
its not like S1mple carried a NA team to the finals of a major or anything...
2017-05-06 21:47
+1 good to see HLTV user w/ brain.
2017-02-17 00:24
-seized +zeus MAKE NAVI GREAT AGAIN (or -flamie)
2016-11-26 20:32
-flamie are you braindead ?
2016-11-27 12:51
2017-02-16 13:35
Brazil SUVACO 
2017-02-17 00:04
-flamie? Low bait bruh.. :D
2017-02-16 15:02
Poland furleppe 
I miss old navi and good liquid with s1mple
2016-11-26 20:33
-zeus +s1mple make gambit trash again!!
2016-11-26 20:33
-guardian +markeloff -seized +starix -flamie +ceh9 -s1mple +Zeus MAKE NA'VI GREAT AGAIN
2016-11-26 20:34
you forgot -Botward +Godward mate
2016-11-26 20:38
hasn't flamie been main carry the past couple tournaments
2017-02-16 06:18
he and s1mple top fragging on last tournaments, Freescorpio talking about Edward from cs 1.6
2017-02-16 06:48
Why are you blaming s1mple when he is the ONLY one performing in NAVI atm lol? Valve ruined Navi not s1mple
2016-11-26 20:35
+1 that's the truth. mousesports and liquid too.
2016-11-26 20:48
2017-05-06 21:55
Poland kurwafa 
Yeah he's the only one performing because he does whatever he wants and doesn't help his teammates be better...
2016-11-26 20:55
lol, and how you know that? Oh you are probably practicing with them lul.
2016-11-27 12:50
Poland kurwafa 
Mmmm no i can see that from watching their games lol
2016-11-27 12:51
Its pretty interesting that actually Guardian wrote that S1mple is perfect teamplayer but you probably know more than me or Guardian. Or u are just baiting me idk or u are very good analyst.
2016-11-27 12:55
Poland kurwafa 
Again people bring that tweet up... He wrote that only a couple of days/weeks after simple joined Navi and before they started struggling, things change you know.
2016-11-27 12:58
Turkey tastemycobra 
only one? why people ignore flamie? he's a fucking god!.
2017-02-16 12:46
Germany 0x5F3759DF 
Because its a team game not an individual game
2017-02-16 13:50
Russia RIGBOS_1 
2017-02-16 14:00
2017-02-17 00:18
Denmark mikey4320 But that aside, yes he has definitely ruined NaVi
2016-11-26 20:35
Poland kurwafa 
"So far" wasn't that like only a couple of weeks/days after he came to Navi? Things might have changed since then
2016-11-26 20:56
Denmark mikey4320 
Yes, but nothing points to anything having changed. Also navi wouldn't put up with s1mple raging at them
2016-11-26 21:02
United States nickyjha 
guardian talking to hltv's waifu, zaaz i have to go fap now, im imagining them fucking and its sooooo hot, guardian has a huge dick behind his layers of fat
2017-02-16 06:06
Germany cylerion 
s1mple is not the problem. -Zeus was the mistake
2016-11-26 20:46
2016-11-27 14:54
If NAVI wants to get top one -seized/edward +zeus #RunNaVi
2016-11-26 20:55
I suppose -seized cuz he seems to me lower than Edward.
2017-02-16 15:03
zeus was a tirant... but you need that one person that tells you what to do and what not to do.. someone that holds you back from doing stupid things.
2016-11-26 20:57
Brazil SUVACO 
zeus is very underrated... he is not bad player at all in skill and aim in navi he was just fine at fragging because you have fucking guardian, flamie, edward and sieze fragging a lot (not all at same time, but when is not one is the others) and he was suporting and igl... and just see what gambit is now... zeus made the team very competitive
2017-02-17 00:08
Navi always sucks...where's trophys? Shitty ESL? Rofl...Got nothing in CS:GO.
2016-11-27 13:04
Edward | 
Moldova flymans 
2017-02-16 06:08
"Such a disrespectful approach towards the teams causes me to feel an utmost disappointment in modern e-Sports", Natus Vincere CEO Alexander "ZeroGravity" Kokhanovsky said. "I ask all the teams who know me as an individual and trust me as e-Sports functionary to think about the treatment we received this very time. "Next week Na`Vi will start the creation of an e-Sports Team Association together with other prominent teams. This organization will drastically change the face of modern e-Sports from the very first day of its creation."
2016-11-27 13:12
This is the same bullshit as the "X was the problem" bullshit. If you want to think outside the box as you say then it isn't as basic as "they brought in one guy and got worse, he must be the problem". s1mple was a necessary change, they were starting to lack starpower players since GuardiaN was not a star anymore and Flamie was inconsistent. The issue is their lack of leadership. Valve changed the coaching rule, something NaVi could no possibly predict, and therefore their structure collapsed. In hindsight it might have been a bad idea to get rid of Zeus, but as things were back then it was a perfectly good decision to bring in s1mple and he is NOT the one making navi bad (I would even argue they would be even worse without him)
2016-11-27 13:21
+1 couldn't have said it better myself.
2016-11-28 00:58
Iceland xijmplr 
Nice read
2017-02-16 05:45
-botward +godward MAKE NAVI GREAT AGAIN!
2016-11-27 14:36
Navi's problem is not about players, it's about strats. -Zeus was right like +s1mple and their ct side very good problem is they are so passive on t side.
2016-11-27 14:38
Zeus s1mply (get it?)can't go back to Na'Vi. Zeus is authoritative leader. Na'Vi showed that they have no faith in Zeus, by kicking him. It's impossible to be effective for the authoritative leader without faith from his team. Thus Zeus can't go back. Was it a mistake, to let him go? Most likely. Would it be a mistake to miss argaebly the best russian-speaking player, initially loyal and young? Most likely. But if grandmother would have balls, then she'd be grandfather.
2016-11-27 14:47
I don't think Zeus would even want to go back considering the circumstances that he was dropped. If you watch his player profile, he talks about how he was dropped behind closed doors, and little respect was given to him for what he did.
2017-02-16 06:46
France BadGones 
LG became good after start cheating :D NoH8M8
2016-11-27 14:49
Yeah it's simple's fault that those idiots kicked their IGL to pick him. Kappa
2016-11-27 14:50
I wouldn't blame simple seing he's probably the best cis player next to guardian. The reason why na'vi is struggling is because they don't have anyone to lead ingame. Starix was supposed to be the igl but valve changed the rule 1 week after they switched zeus for simple.
2016-11-27 14:53
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
guardian is not cis player
2016-11-27 14:59
No that's true, he does play with CIS teams though which got me confused, but you're right.
2016-11-27 23:36
Brazil Brazilian Wax 
But Guardian is playing an average game for months and months. I don't even remember the last time Guardian had a game where he topfragged.
2017-02-16 13:12
that's quite the opposite, they should allow him to be able to play like is used to, his style, not force him to fit their previous way of playing, they won't make it that way without Zeus, he's gone now and it's all different. they have to let s1mple take over and play around him. New roster , new IGL, new style. And fixed
2016-11-27 14:54
So let's kick our IGL and pick a mad fragger. #NaViLoLgic.
2016-11-27 23:41
they didnt valve did
2016-11-27 23:43
I thought Zeus was calling
2016-11-27 23:49
not in 2016
2016-11-28 00:00
He wasn't needed because their coach was calling, but than the coach rules were added, leaving NaVi without a coach.
2017-02-16 06:47
2017-02-16 05:39
Afghanistan crywolf1337 
So what ever the Topic might be, brazilians just cant skip sucking SK Players' DICKS at any situation LMAO
2017-02-16 05:42
Australia legesex 
U mad m8?
2017-02-16 06:37
Brazil SUVACO 
not all brazilians i dont suck any dick just fallens dick... he is the best.. <3 fallen i was jocking anyway... have a good day :)
2017-02-17 00:11
valve ruined na'vi with that rule of the coachs
2017-02-16 05:46
Coaches were allowed to call today,makes no difference.
2017-02-16 05:51
Europe lalt 
I'd not be so sure. We'll never know if starix was actually capable to lead team. Without Zeus, he would have had new roles to fill..
2017-02-16 06:01
I do remember when s1mple moved to NaVi, people called "NaVi #1". lol
2017-02-16 05:46
Zeus won't go back to NaVi. He is doing fine in Gambit. While he was in NaVi he used to be the bottom frager. But since he moved to Gambit, Zeus is IGL who can also frag.
2017-02-16 05:48
Poland sajlent 
magician xd poof... ruined xd
2017-02-16 05:50
2017-02-16 13:39
2017-02-16 05:50
Finland ow 
simple ruined nothing, seized is the one ruining that sh1t.
2017-02-16 05:51
2017-02-16 13:22
Brazil Victorhs 
Thorin is already hinting that guardian should give the awp to someone else. You can expect like 2 new Thorin Thoughts videos bashing Guardian like he did with adren, that way s1mple (the "star player") can become the main awper. You heard it here first. LUL
2017-02-16 05:58
n0thing | 
Finland no_man 
i wonder how hard he will trash sk after they lose to clown downers
2017-02-16 06:04
BEST TEAM. NaVi: -seized +Zeus Gambit: -Zeus +seized
2017-02-16 06:09
never again...zeus will not come to navi,forget it.
2017-02-16 06:19
and i agree with other guys in this thread,that the problem is seized - not simple.
2017-02-16 06:22
s1mple = toxicity
2017-02-16 06:27
-Guardian +Zeus/hooch EZ reshufle s1mple main AWP mb: -Edward +electronic
2017-02-16 06:28
Syria Gonezxzx 
BR brain
2017-02-16 06:29
S1mple ruining NAVI? what a bullshit. they have no good IGL and GuardiaN is bot. that is ruining Navi!
2017-02-16 06:34
2017-02-16 06:34
2017-02-16 07:19
AdreN | 
Kazakhstan Aiomie 
Ok, navi in ruins right now, but don't ruin promising Gambit, please, just in sake of other team, who should be solving its problems without Zeus. Nothing good will happen, if not 1, but 2 teams become bad because of one transfer.
2017-02-16 06:34
+1 Gambit with Zeus is top t1 team!
2017-02-16 06:35
Hyzek back with the anti s1mple threads xD
2017-02-16 06:53
Haha :p 4 Top is bad ;p
2017-02-16 06:56
not a s1mple fault, guardian and seized sucks that all
2017-02-16 06:56
S1mple is performing fine, it's not his fault the other 4 thought they could go without a good IGL and only play based on raw skill and loose strats. If anything he's the last to blame, it wasn't his decision to kick Zues. If they really thought they needed more firepower they should have removed seized or maybe edward (probably seized tho) and kept Zues. Too late now though, they just need to work with what they have and Guardian needs to return to form.
2017-02-16 07:09
-s1mple +coldzera (Na'Vi) -coldzera +Zeus (SK) So ez.
2017-02-16 12:34
2017-02-16 12:48
-seized + Zeus problem solved
2017-02-16 12:48
rofl they should've kicked seized not zeus seized is a mediocre rifler and garbage igl zeus however stepped up massively against fnatic yesterday
2017-02-16 13:19
"zeus however stepped up massively against fnatic yesterday" Nice argument mait :D
2017-02-16 13:26
nt 'mait' Danylo 'Zeus' Teslenko 22-14 +8 105.9 1.28
2017-02-16 13:29
Its pronucation I like, calm down bud.
2017-02-16 15:43
2017-02-16 13:36
you don't know what you are talking about. lol s1mple buys awp for GuardiaN a thousand times and you say he does what he want, like forcing alone. what a retarded. They lose because Edward and GuardiaN can't perform at high level anymore. Or at least they dont do that since a very long time.
2017-02-16 13:39
Well they kicked the wrong player. They should have kicked seized (or edward) or just benched one of em, and then put s1mple in. With zeus there to rekt him hard when/if he whines and flames would keep him at bay
2017-02-16 13:42
Poland kick_michu 
navi always was trash with Zeus but when they add this overated trashers s1mple they becoem utter trash
2017-02-16 13:45
zeus was bot but he had brains.
2017-02-16 13:47
Zeus said, that he is more comfortable in Gambit, because there is no kids to play with(only hobbit, but he is calm guy). He never comeback to Navi.
2017-02-16 14:06
Seized ruined navi
2017-02-16 15:05
Pasha called it
2017-02-16 21:48
Well....GuardiaN just cofirmed what ive been saying for the last 4 months...
2017-02-16 23:58
Poland kiero 
s1mple toxic ruins Na'Vi nothing new Thorin you idiot deal with it
2017-02-17 00:01
s1mple is just toxic, he is good as coldzera but still coldzera is not raging that much and respect decisions, s1mple ego is too big to respect anyone i think zeus for igl, and seized as riffler would be fine again, they needed time, i though also s1mple is good decision but seems its not
2017-02-17 00:16
you cant compare s1mple with players like coldzera,device,snax.
2017-02-17 00:21
i was thinking the same thing, that now navi has got much worse igl who is seized, but also simple is not the best mate right? what is more i think in some way guardian is affected by his game style, so he is not doing well at all.
2017-02-17 00:19
NaVi is the only original T1 team that has never won a csgo major. They really need a new igl maybe B1ade or bring Zeus back but keep S1mple.
2017-02-17 00:20
2017-02-17 00:21
2017-05-06 21:33
Not really s1mple fault Guardian not god since his injuries Seized sometimes whiffed ez kill like today etc
2017-05-06 21:38
let's be honest , the only way GuardiaN got rolling with his awp was the slow style of zeus and guardian looking for openings ( on T side ) , on ct side he would hold an angle and wait . if there were no openings , he would crumble and lose duels due to positioning . This Navi is plagued with seized making strats like zeus (slow style , maybe have a fast round or two ) but no way near the space for GuardiaN . go ahead and tell s1mple to wait 1 minute and don't make any plays or try for entry frags while GuardiaN is gonna look for openings , yea good luck with that :P
2017-05-06 21:40
more like navi ruined s1mple. What result do you expect of a team that kick a igl and call a skilled player with 0 teamwork and 0 leadership. s1mple is one of the best independent player. na'vi trying to control his freedom in the game is ruining him and the entire team.
2017-05-06 21:44
2017-05-06 21:48
And here we are... 1 year later, Zeus is back and the team can't win shit again... I'm literally a God
2017-09-15 21:36
2017-12-01 23:09
You just got rekt by Thorin, enjoy it young boy :D
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