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Top 20 players of 2016 : my own predictions
World LeviathaNz 
1. coldzera (SK) 2. FalleN (SK) 3. device (Astralis) 4. Snax (VP) 5. flusha(Godsent) 6. ScreaM (G2) 7. shox (G2) 8. Magiskb0Y (dignitas) 9. flamie (Na'Vi) 10. f0rest (NiP) 11. olofmeister (fnatic) 12. s1mple (Na'Vi) 13. fer (SK) 14. NiKo (mousesports) 15. kennyS (EnVyUS) 16. Kjaerbye (Astralis) 17. GuardiaN (Na'Vi) 18. GeT_RiGhT (NiP) 19. fnx (ex-SK) 20. dennis (fnatic) Let's discuss about this, of course from one place to another it could move I'm not 100% sure about it. But I did a lot of research with the stats available to us all. That said, two players I'm not sure about are NiKo & Magiskb0Y. I don't know if Magiskb0Y is not too high compared to the small amount of "Big Events" he attended. On the other hand, NiKo is pretty low compared to his stats, but he did not win any "Big Events" and he did not go far in any of them, so I'm wondering how impactful this will be (logic would be to rank higher a player that has achieved much more while playing more maps). Also I did respect the criterions which was phrased differently but said that : - 2 players in this top 20 did not attend any of the majors - 2 players in this top 20 did not win any "Big Events" this year. What are you thoughts ? Keep it friendly please !
2017-01-04 23:53
Kys retard
2017-01-04 23:54
wow you got all 4 correct so far, gj
2017-01-04 23:55
No need for sarcasm LUL
2017-01-05 00:16
<3 Keep it cool
2017-01-05 00:38
S1mple 12? can you explain please?
2017-01-04 23:55
+1
2017-01-04 23:58
+1
2017-01-05 00:01
Hello, yes. I could have said s1mple as well but I'm ranking him #12 only because he has the highest death/round overall (while holding the awp most of the time), he has one of the lowest contribution 62% at big events, and compared to the guys above him he has the lowest assist per round. He also played almost 50% less maps than the guys above him at big events. On the other hand he has higher rating, KPR, ADR than the ones above him from #11 to #6. But he played less maps. I'm not sure how impactful are the majors stats though. Where would you place him ?
2017-01-05 00:06
I'm not really sure where i would place him but everyone else place him top5 without explaining why. Unknown person until recently for me btw thanks for answering
2017-01-05 00:09
yeah but looking that he didn't play throughout the year and also his teams had some bad group stage exits he won't make it past top7
2017-01-05 01:31
Ofc not
2017-01-05 01:33
They only place him on top3 because he's very skilled, while not having much results because he only joined NaVi just recently and they only won 1 tournament so far.
2017-01-05 23:55
major semifinal, major final and won a 250k+ tournament. I would place him at the very least in top 5, I don't know why he should be there, however I can't name a lot of players that should be above him.
2017-01-09 20:43
Your argument doesn't make any sense, you think just because he was a major semifinal/final he deserve to be top5 ? That would've worked on the old ranking but it's not viable anymore. If we follow your example everyone on SK should be top5, Why ? because they all were two major champions and had the most success this year but that's not the case ofc.
2017-01-09 20:45
#79
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New Zealand Eauor 
I think he is right, s1mple definitely not top 5 atleast
2017-01-06 08:26
Why do people keep putting flusha so high? He wasn't even that good, not #5 for sure lol. Also device/shox/s1mple>fallen.
2017-01-04 23:56
3rd highest contributors at the majors & 4th at big events, 4th highest ADR at majors/big events/lans overall, 1.10 rating at the majors/big events, highest APR at the majors/big events, one of the lowest death/round... He has had an incredible year stats-wise. Also while I can argue over device being over FalleN, shox & s1mple won't be higher than him.
2017-01-05 00:13
btw k0nfig > magisk any day of the week
2017-01-04 23:56
It can't be, to me it's already packed as hell in this top20, who would you replace ? Also it has to be Magiskb0Y instead of k0nfig just because of the criterions I've listed. In my initial ranking I had either GTR or k0nfig in the top20, as GTR made it, k0nfig is out ^^
2017-01-05 00:14
I just feel like k0nfig is the more impactful and consistent player while magisk have god performance once in a while (like old device) I don't know who to replace I just like k0nfig better
2017-01-05 00:17
I compared both in terms of stats, especially at big events, Magisk has better stats overall, like lowest death/round, insanely high ADR & KPR, aswell has high APR (assist per round). If you just look at the stats without taking into account map played & tournament wins, magisk should be #4 or #3. ^^ I mean seriously, his stats are incredible.
2017-01-05 00:20
But how many events did he attend(maps)? i might be a bit fanboyish
2017-01-05 00:22
Magisk did attend 5 big events, and overall in 2016 he played 113 maps on LAN. (as a comparison you can check my post below where I bring his stats comparison to coldzera' stats)
2017-01-05 00:29
You are right... im just fanboi ^^
2017-01-05 00:31
Scream > shox!? S1mple 12?! Magisk > f0rest 2/10
2017-01-05 00:01
Hello, did you check all the stats from all these players ? If so I'd like to know why you do not agree on ScreaM > shox ? For the other one it could be argued, I give you that.
2017-01-05 00:16
Your list is neat, but i guess s1mple should get higher place since he carryed liquid this first half of 2k16... going to a semi and then a final in marjors.
2017-01-05 21:02
Thanks man, I did A LOT of comparison and such to obtain this one. s1mple did it but he has one of the highest death per round together with fer, while fer was more consistent. Also you can read #9 I already went through this :p
2017-01-05 21:36
#65
Ethiopia xohs 
Oh it's you again, the guy that can't even look at the stats him self. Shox has higher 2.0 rating than screaM. 1.0 rating doesn't matter as it's less accurate. Shox > screaM
2017-01-05 22:53
This is a completely stat wise comparison, roles and impact are irrelevant and so ScreaM > Shox (2016) (HLTV will probably place Shox higher because they also care about impact in the team)
2017-01-05 23:58
#75
Ethiopia xohs 
No, you'll see what Im talking about when HLTV shows scream's and shox' 2.0 rating. 2.0 rating includes clutches, opening kills and ADR. Rating 1.0 doesn't do that. Shox has all of those things better than screaM, so shox' 2.0 rating will be better than scream's 2.0 rating. If you calculate it based on Petar's formula, you get 1.13 rating 2.0 for shox and 1.10 rating 2.0 for screaM. HLTV ranking uses 2.0 rating and not 1.0 rating(like the stats page is showing).
2017-01-06 00:02
#11
REZ | 
Mexico GEtiger 
Niko 14???
2017-01-05 00:10
As I said, him and Magisk are the ones I'm totally unsure about. They have insane ratings but did they did not achieve much (especially NiKo).
2017-01-05 00:17
oh forgot someone who hasnt achived anything in this year but "high ratings" needs to be top 1!!
2017-01-05 01:45
Exactly that, he cannot be in the top10 knowing that his team did not win anything big this year, meaning he did not go far in any tournaments with high caliber teams.
2017-01-05 21:37
#20
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United States BLaCkKobRa 
Are you kidding me with ur magiskboy decision? He did nothing special throughout the year, he played well in the last 2-3 months, suddenly he is a top player of 2016? Give me a break
2017-01-05 00:21
Do you even read ?
2017-01-05 00:22
#23
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United States BLaCkKobRa 
If u unsure why would u out him so high? U could of rank him lower so it makes sense
2017-01-05 00:23
Yeah he did nothing special throughout the year, look at his stats when you compare him to coldzera, who will undoubtably be #1 : hltv.org/?pageid=186&c1=9032_2825&c2=921.. He did attend many LANs aswell, here is another comparison : hltv.org/?pageid=186&c1=9032_2057&c2=921.. Also did you read the criterions ? It is said that 2 players that made it to the top 20 did not attend any major. These two are Kjaerbye & Magiskb0Y.
2017-01-05 00:27
#25
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Are you sure about fer? I'm pretty sure it's going to be k0nfig instead of fer.
2017-01-05 00:28
I was unsure about fer too at first, but I checked detailed stats, consistency-wise fer is the 4th most consistent this year. Also he is ranked #1 in APR (assist per round), he has the same ADR as cold at big event but higher ADR overall this year on LANs, which gives them the 5-6th place in the ADR ranking. His contribution to round wins are high aswell with at least 65.6% at big event and 67.8% at the majors. (which is one of the highest :p) He deserves his place there with all these top stats although he doesn't have a crazy rating ^^
2017-01-05 00:36
#32
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Although all you said is true, I still feel like he has too poor rating (possibly, because we don't have a option to see a Rating 2.0) and his stats in LAN section are inflated by MAX5 and Dreamhack Austin (k0nfig's stats are inflated too - by e.g. PowerLan). And from fnx article it seems to me that Ranking 2.0 places fnx as SK/Luminosity third best player for whole year, so fer should not be on the list. But maybe I'm totally wrong :D I'm really not sure, because it fells to me like both should possibly be on list, but these clues from Introduction article makes that impossible. You have a very strong point, but it just fells wrong to me to not have k0nfig on the list (he was the EPICENTER MVP after all ;) ) Btw. Thanks for some discussion
2017-01-05 01:07
in highly agree you
2017-01-05 01:14
You caught my curiosity when talking about "that ranking 2.0 places fnx as SK/LG third best player for the whole year" I took the table with the rating 2.0 stats from fnx and compared ADR/KPR, contributions (impact) to fer's ones. On : - IEM Katowice, fer as better stats, he is the 2nd best rated player in SK - DH Leipzig, fer as better stats, he is the 2nd best rated player in SK - DH Malmö, fer as better stats, he is the 2nd best rated player in SK - ELEAGUE S1, fer as better stats, he is 1st with 96 ADR & 84KPR - ESL One NY, fer as better stats, he is 2nd. - EPICENTER, fer as better stats, he is 3rd. - ESL Pro League S4, fer has better stats, he is 2nd. - ELEAGUE S2, fer has better stats, he is 3rd. - ECS S2, fer has better stats, he is 2nd. At the same events, fer is placed higher in terms of impact at 9/15, so he will be on the list if fnx made it :D. Also the guy has one notable stats that is most grenade damage per round, he is like one of the best in this category, + one of the best in terms of assists per rounds (I think he's top3 in this category). Thanks for the chat aswell :D If k0nfig makes the list it's not by replacing fer from what I've checked.
2017-01-05 18:12
has better stats* I don't know why I can't edit my post. Sorry for the typo :D
2017-01-05 18:41
#69
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Not saying I'm disagree, but I wouldn't put much emphasis on Malmö (bad tournament for whole team), Eleague s1 (basically they playd "only" groups). Thing you've mentioned could still easily put fer on the list. Not putting k0nfig on the way just seems wrong for me. But realistically there is no one who he can replace on the list except fer (but you presented very strong arguments) and maybe kennys (but clues from Introduction article make that impossible). Of course from players "remaining". For me k0nfig has good stats, MVP (EPICENTER) and possibly some EVP and VP from Tgwri1s (we don't know this from all events). Not even putting him on list... I don't know :D But you make me less and less sure about k0nfig on the list :D
2017-01-05 23:52
Yeah it's sad not to see him in the top20, I was sure with his stats and his MVP perf he would be. But I think I've locked all the possibilities checking all the stats unfortunately. Also what you did say about fer made me do more research (my post above), and now I'm 100% sure he will be on the list. So I'm thanksful for that :D
2017-01-05 23:55
#73
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
My pleasure ;) It was a good discussion I think :D
2017-01-05 23:59
fer made it, two places lower than I expected, but still not far (2 places only) from my prediction, I feel like I'm on the right way :D
2017-01-06 20:25
#81
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Grats :D No k0nfig feels wrong, but I must accept it, because ~ 0% chance for this to happen. I think i go with kennyS (placing Niko or s1mple on 14 might be possible, but i feel like it's not that likely). And you? Do you agree?
2017-01-06 23:22
As I'm writing this I'm doing more stats analysis xD I'm gonna repost something below when I'm done. At first I'd go with kennyS for the #14 spot.
2017-01-06 23:33
#85
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
On a side note: I have a very big problem with deciding on place which Niko (too few playoff games, but super good stats) and s1mple (too few games in general - only 68 LAN maps. Great stats in "big tournaments" though) should be. They seem like a TOP9 candidates, but others played in more maps in LANs (in case of s1mple) or in more playoffs (in case of Niko) and weren't much (if at all) worse. You still think neither will be higher? I fell like s1mple has a bigger chance (he played in playoffs - Niko not so much ;) )The 68 maps make me think it could be too small sample size though. But he still was so instrumental in good tournaments for Liquid and Na'vi. That small number of games for s1mple and lack of playoffs for Niko make it hard to place them too high, but placing them so low feel like a underestimation (more in case of s1mple than Niko i think) Those two are the most problematic to place IMO.
2017-01-07 00:04
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2017-01-05 00:33
Check #24. Also this thread is made to argue, nice arguments you have ^^
2017-01-05 00:37
-fer +k0nfig and will be fine
2017-01-05 01:31
Hello, read #38. Thanks for commenting though.
2017-01-05 18:13
I said it boys! Kjaebye #16
2017-01-05 20:00
nice one :)
2017-01-05 20:16
Good job, you guessed 1 right. 15 more to go.
2017-01-05 20:20
Hoping to make it right, but I might be wrong on some stats we cannot get at the moment on the site (as they said in their article). So I guess from one place to another it could fluctuate. I would not be mad if f0rest was 9 and flamie 10 for example. And as I'm doing more and more comparison, I think it will be the case for these two :P
2017-01-05 21:41
#43
byali | 
Poland Hell2k 
Where byali?
2017-01-05 20:03
Around 30th place i would say.
2017-01-05 20:07
He was in my first list, but I had to remove players based on what they hinted in the introduction, 2 players that did not attend any majors are on this list. I had to remove some players, byali had a good year, but some players on this list have more impactful stats. (this is basicly what HLTV calls the rating 2.0)
2017-01-05 20:23
#52
byali | 
Poland Hell2k 
Ok but where is dupreeh
2017-01-05 20:27
I can compare dupreeh to Kjaerbye if you want. Overall dupreeh has lower stats than Kjaerbye. At big events : Rating (1.03 against 1.07) ADR (77.5 against 81.1) KPR (0.71 against 0.73) Also he contributed to round wins less than Kjearbye (63.8 against 64.7%) Overall on LAN this year Kjaerbye has been better than dupreeh : Rating 1.10 > 1.06 KPR 0.75 > 0.72 ADR 81.7 > 78.3 APR 0.16 > 0.14 I can go deeper in my analysis if you want, I can get stats per events ^^
2017-01-05 20:37
I'm quite a k0nfig fanboy so I miss him in this list. But you have a point about him, so I'm fine. Nice list overall.
2017-01-05 20:13
Thanks mate, I'd be curious to see where they'd be placing him or why they did not pick him. Like a list of "why they did not make it" players outside of the top20 who could have been there but missed that little something. It must have been a tough choice !
2017-01-05 20:25
how ???
2017-01-05 20:18
How what ?
2017-01-05 20:24
#54
Jonti | 
Switzerland veach 
k0nfig should be in it tbh
2017-01-05 20:43
Who would you replace on my list to see him in the top20 ? You have to respect the criterions though :p
2017-01-05 21:42
#63
Jonti | 
Switzerland veach 
idk, flamie?
2017-01-05 22:45
flamie will be in, he has sick stats... He was most of the time topping GuardiaN in terms of 2.0 rating.
2017-01-05 23:35
#57
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World shield12345 
s1mple 12? U mean 2
2017-01-05 21:03
He will not be #2 ^^
2017-01-05 21:54
yellow post kappa
2017-01-05 22:53
New update after doing more in-depth search : 1. coldzera (SK) 2. FalleN (SK) 3. device (Astralis) 4. Snax (VP) 5. flusha(Godsent) 6. shox (G2) 7. ScreaM (G2) 8. Magiskb0Y (dignitas) 9. flamie (Na'Vi) 10. f0rest (NiP) 11. olofmeister (fnatic) 12. s1mple (Na'Vi) 13. fer (SK) 14. NiKo (mousesports) 15. kennyS (EnVyUS) 16. Kjaerbye (Astralis) 17. GuardiaN (Na'Vi) 18. GeT_RiGhT (NiP) 19. fnx (ex-SK) 20. dennis (fnatic) I'm pretty sure kennyS is the next one to be revealed, apart from an insane KD & low DPR, his other stats are pretty lackluster compared to the guys above him in the ranking.
2017-01-05 23:47
its a decent prediction but i would lower magisk and flusha a little bit
2017-01-05 23:51
Hello, thanks for your input, I'll do more in-depth checks on flusha, you're the second one saying that. I think I'll make more comparison to the ones below him and Snax, just to be sure :D Thanks!
2017-01-06 00:00
i think you understood it wrong :D (my bad sorry) flusha should be in #6-7 i know fnatic were dominant in early 2016 but if he gets the #5 spot in 2015 then something is wrong if he is also #5 in 2016 :D and magisk should be around 11-12th
2017-01-06 00:15
Hehe no need to be sorry I understood you well, you're the second one saying that flusha should be lower in the ranking, not #5. I'll do more stats comparison today !
2017-01-06 08:24
#77
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Sweden lexsxD 
f0rest>olof? LUL
2017-01-06 00:16
So... after doing some more research, it looks like k0nfig will be in the list, waiting confirmation by an admin to tell me if the section "NOTABLE STATS" in the ranking are only including the top20 players. If yes, it does mean that k0nfig will be in, as he is the #6 highest ADR this year. But the thing is I literally don't know who to remove.
2017-01-06 23:51
#86
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
So you are in a situation like me :D Because i feel like he should be in, but there was/is ~ no one to remove :D
2017-01-07 00:09
Yes, this is ridiculous :( This year no team was particularly dominant like the other years ^^ They all shared a bit of winnings, this makes it awkward :D
2017-01-07 00:49
So from all my stats gathering, flamie or olof won't make the list. In terms of consistency, ADR, Assits per round, HS per round, contribution to round win, flamie could make it instead of olof. Although, olof had more rounds where he survived, he had more KPR, two MVPs, more opening kills, more clutch rounds. He played approx 30 less maps than flamie though.
2017-01-07 14:34
#94
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
I thought that not having k0nfig would be strange. But not having olof or flamie would be even more surprising :D If we were debating who will be e.g. 19, 20 and who would not be on list it wouldn't be so strange. But 14, 13, 12 place or not even being on list is something else for this two and k0nfig IMO :D It looks like olof, flamie or k0nfig really lacks in some stats (maybe even stats only fully known ATM for Tgwri1s ;) ) compared to other two and players below on list. What a strange year it's been :D
2017-01-07 15:20
I'm stuck here with one player too many (with k0nfig), where is the 'NOTABLE STATS' section and did you come up with anything in relation to who won't be on the list?
2017-01-07 00:55
Here is the notable stats section : static.hltv.org/images/galleries/1693-fu.. (bottom left) I have only the #5 players before fer, on the ADR ranking : 1. NiKo 2. s1mple 3. Magiskb0Y 4. shox 5. flusha If the notable stats section only ranks players between the top20, then k0nfig is in and will be at the #6 place in the ADR ranking. I'm wondering if olof made it this year, as when I'm comparing stats, he only has 4 good tournaments on 10 total. In my opinion he has to be there...
2017-01-07 01:10
SCREAM AHAHAHHAA
2017-01-06 23:54
s1mple and Scream should switch places
2017-01-07 01:20
#1-Cold #2-Fallen #3-Simple #4-Device #5-Who cares?
2017-01-07 01:22
New ranking : 1. coldzera (SK) 2. FalleN (SK) 3. device (Astralis) 4. Snax (VP) 5. shox (G2) 6. ScreaM (G2) 7. Magiskb0Y (dignitas) 8. k0nfig (dignitas) 9. s1mple (Na'Vi) 10. flusha(Godsent) 11. f0rest (NiP) 12. NiKo (mousesports) 13. kennyS (EnVyUs) 14. olofmeister (fnatic) or flamie (Na'Vi) 15. fer (SK) 16. Kjaerbye (Astralis) 17. GuardiaN (Na'Vi) 18. GeT_RiGhT (NiP) 19. fnx (ex-SK) 20. dennis (fnatic) I'm still unsure about some placing, because I don't know the importance of somes stats for HLTV to determine 2.0 rating (and we do not have all the stats I believe). But at least that's a good starting point. Below I'll share all my stats comparisons.
2017-01-07 15:17
Players' stats in order of their appearance in the ranking : coldzera : 83.0 ADR 0.81 KPR 39% survivability Rounds with a contribution 70.1% APR 0.11 Clutch rounds 0.013 Opening kills : 0.09 #1 Rounds with a contribution #2 Survivability #3 KPR rating #9 Clutch rounds #8 ADR Rating FalleN : 75.5 ADR 0.74 KPR 41% survivability Rounds with a contribution 67.6% APR 0.11 Clutch rounds 0.015 Opening kills : 0.14 #1 in Survivability #2 in AWP kills / rounds (0.41) #2 in Opening kills #3 in Clutch rounds #3 in Rounds with a contribution #12 KPR rating #19 ADR rating device : 82.8 ADR 0.79 KPR 38% survivability Rounds with a contribution 65.5% APR 0.12 Clutch rounds 0.015 Opening kills : 0.14 #4 Clutch rounds #3 survivability #3 Opening kills #4 KPR rating #4 AWP kills / rounds (0.32) #9 ADR Rating #9 Rounds with a contribution Snax : 79.4 ADR 0.75 KPR 36% survivability Rounds with a contribution 65% APR 0.12 Clutch rounds 0.018 Opening kills : 0.13 #1 Clutch rounds #4 Opening kills #5 AWP kill / round (0.28) #7 Survivability #10 KPR rating #13 Rounds with a contribution #15 ADR rating shox : 84.1 ADR 0.79 KPR 32% survivability Rounds with a contribution 65.1% APR 0.12 Clutch rounds 0.014 Opening kills : 0.12 #5 Opening kills #5 ADR Rating #5 KPR Rating #6 Clutch rounds #12 Rounds with a contribution #14 Survivability ScreaM : 82.4 ADR 0.76 KPR 33% survivability Rounds with a contribution 66.0% APR 0.12 Clutch rounds 0.014 Opening kills : 0.10 #1 HS per round (0.51) #7 Clutch rounds #7 Rounds with a contribution #8 KPR Rating #10 ADR Rating #13 Survivability Magiskb0Y : 84.4 ADR 0.78 KPR 38% survivability Rounds with a contribution 68.1% APR 0.13 Clutch rounds 0.013 Opening kills : 0.10 #2 Rounds with a contribution #3 ADR Rating #5 Survivability #6 KPR rating #10 Clutch rounds No major k0nfig : 84.2 ADR 0.78 KPR 32% survivability Rounds with a contribution 64.7% APR 0.13 Clutch rounds 0.015 Opening kills : 0.11 #2 HS per round (0.44) #4 ADR rating #5 Clutch rounds #7 KPR rating #14 Rounds with a contribution #15 in Survivability s1mple : 85.1 ADR 0.82 KPR 29% survivability Rounds with a contribution 63.2% APR 0.11 Clutch rounds 0.011 Opening kills : 0.11 #2 ADR rating #2 KPR rating #6 HS per round (0.40) #13 Clutch rounds #19 Rounds with a contribution #20 survivability flusha : 83.9 ADR 0.72 KPR 35% survivability Rounds with a contribution 66.5% APR 0.18 Clutch rounds 0.011 Opening kills : 0.09 #1 APR Rating #6 ADR Rating #5 Rounds with a contribution #10 Survivability #14 Clutch rounds #19 KPR Rating
2017-01-07 15:42
NiKo : 90.0 ADR 0.83 KPR 31% survivability Rounds with a contribution 65.3% APR 0.15 Clutch rounds 0.013 Opening kills : 0.17 #1 ADR Rating #1 Opening kills #1 KPR rating #5 HS per round (0.41) #11 Clutch round #11 Rounds with a contribution #17 in survivability No big wins, almost no playoffs played. f0rest : 77.2 ADR 0.73 KPR 33% survivability Rounds with a contribution 64.5% APR 0.11 Clutch rounds 0.018 Opening kills : 0.10 #2 Clutch rounds #11 Survivability #15 KPR rating #16 ADR rating #16 Rounds with a contribution kennyS : 76.0 ADR 0.76 KPR 38% survivability Rounds with a contribution 65.4% APR 0.11 Clutch rounds 0.014 Opening kills : 0.11 #3 in AWP kills / rounds (0.39) #4 in Survivability #8 Clutch rounds #9 KPR rating #10 Rounds with a contribution #18 ADR rating flamie : 81.4 ADR 0.74 KPR 33% survivability Rounds with a contribution 64.6% APR 0.14 Clutch rounds 0.011 Opening kills : 0.10 #4 HS per round (0.41) #12 ADR rating #15 Rounds with a contribution #15 Clutch rounds #14 KPR rating #12 Survivability fer : 83.2 ADR 0.74 KPR 30.7% survivability Rounds with a contribution 66.2% APR 0.17 Clutch rounds 0.008 Opening kills : 0.12 #6 Rounds with a contribution #7 ADR rating #13 KPR rating #18 Survivability Kjaerbye : 81.7 ADR 0.75 KPR 35% survivability Rounds with a contribution 65.9% APR 0.16 Clutch rounds 0.010 Opening kills : 0.10 #6 HS per round (0.40) #8 Rounds with a contribution #8 Survivability #11 ADR rating #11 KPR rating No major GuardiaN : 73.8 ADR 0.72 KPR 38.4% survivability Rounds with a contribution 63.8% APR 0.10 Clutch rounds 0.012 Opening kills : 0.12 #1 AWP kills / round (0.44) #6 Survivability #12 Clutch rounds #18 Rounds with a contribution #20 ADR rating #17 KPR rating GeT_RiGhT : 81.4 ADR 0.72 KPR 30% survivability Rounds with a contribution 62.4% APR 0.14 Clutch rounds 0.011 Opening kills : 0.11 #13 ADR rating #16 Clutch rounds #19 Survivability #20 Rounds with a contribution #18 KPR rating fnx : 80.5 ADR 0.71 KPR 35% survivability Rounds with a contribution 67.1% APR 0.17 Clutch rounds 0.010 Opening kills 0.10 #4 Rounds with a contribution #9 Survivability #14 ADR rating #17 Clutch rounds #20 KPR rating dennis : 77.2 ADR 0.73 KPR 32.2% survivability Rounds with a contribution 64.1% APR 0.12 Clutch rounds 0.009 Opening kills : 0.11 #17 ADR rating #16 Survivability #3 HS per round (0.42) #17 Rounds with a contribution #16 KPR rating ---- olof : 80.6 ADR 0.75 KPR 35% survivability Rounds with a contribution 64.1% Clutch rounds 0.012 APR 0.14 Opening kills : 0.12 #8 Opening kills #8 in survivability ~#10 APR rating #12 KPR rating #12 Clutch rounds #17 ADR rating
2017-01-07 15:43
#96
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
If i recall correctly Tgwri1s said that having one slightly below average performance (i.e ~ 0.90 rating) and one that wins big event (i.e ~ 1,15 rating or higher) is valued higher than having two slightly above average (i.e both ~ +1,05 rating). But I could be wrong. So players with MVPs and EVPs in tournaments that had many big teams will possibly be higher than those who don't have them.
2017-01-07 15:33
I reworked some places depending on their place in their respective ranking, taking in consideration if they did go far in tournaments, if they had huge impact in going forward and if they were not consistent. For example s1mple is the second worst player in terms of frags per round (consistency wise), just after GeT_RiGhT. He also is the one who died the most.
2017-01-07 15:48
#99
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
k0nfig 8th? :D And we were thinking if he even makes it :D
2017-01-07 15:49
Yeah, check the stats comparison I did above, it's insane :D
2017-01-07 15:53
#102
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
So I wasn't that wrong, was I? ;)
2017-01-07 15:54
Definitely not, and by questioning my ranking you made me do more stats comparison, which is good :D At least I have something close to what could happen.
2017-01-07 15:57
#100
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Yea and he has the lowest number of LAN games, hasn't he? It's a small sample size, but still he was not bad...
2017-01-07 15:53
Yes he has like 60 maps played on LAN, which is really low compared to the other guys (mostly over 100maps).
2017-01-07 15:55
#105
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Would you think that this number can be consider too low and he'll not be on list? I can't imagine the outburst of crying if he would not be on list... Surely it's not him :D
2017-01-07 16:02
He will be up in the list, as said above post #83 and my reply to #88. That was a big hint that made me include k0nfig.
2017-01-07 16:04
#108
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
But how could we exclude flamie (who was better this year than Guardian) or olof (who was better than dennis)? I just don't know anymore... Maybe HLTV will put both on the same place? :> I'm kidding. I don't feel like ANYONE should be excluded tbh. What a year :D
2017-01-07 16:18
Man, that reply Twgri1s gave me is confusing me even more haha. So the notable stats section isn't exclusive to the top20 players. Also he told me to be in the top20 you had to have at least a minimum of maps played, s1mple has only 67 maps played (I'm excluding the allstars game). The lowest in this ranking, while other ones have 90+ If he doesn't make it then we have flamie & olof both in the ranking. It would make sense not to have s1mple if the sample size was too small to have realistic stats. If s1mple is not there, then the #14 is olof, #13 is flamie, #12 is kennyS, #11 is NiKo & #10 f0rest & #9 flusha. I'm waiting to get a confirmation for the sample size :P
2017-01-07 16:50
Thanks for looking into this and for clearly laying out stats of players above ^ I went for olof next, but then switched my vote to Flamie, I feel it's really a 50/50 tbh. I see your vote is KennyS at the moment, are you going to change that?
2017-01-07 16:56
No problem, I had a lot of fun comparing all of them, although if they could have been more specific with how the ranking worked, I would have been more accurate :D Most of my stats comparison are based off the players in the ranking, but it's not exclusive to them (Twgri1s told me that before fer 0.17 assist rating, it was Xyp9x - this guy won't be in the top20 ^^). My vote is kennyS and I won't change that because if it's him I'm good, but if it's either flamie or olof ? :D I'm not sure who to pick out of these two :(
2017-01-07 17:54
kennyS is definitely gonna be on the list,it has been mentioned by somewhere in the article introduction about Top20 players list that only 2 players that didn't win big tournament in 2016 to be on the list ,so it's kennyS and NiKo actually. And my guess is k0nfig,I think 15#-20# rankings he would be the most possibility stay that he hasn't been listed in,he won't have big chance reach in remaining slots without spectacular stats at most of LAN.
2017-01-08 04:27
#112
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Oh the outcry if s1mple won't be there will be soooooo big :D He has really low maps played but he played them on almost only big tournaments (that can help his case). I'm also waiting for reply (if there will be any, because that can spoil the surprise :p )
2017-01-07 17:00
But I got you on fer yesterday. I called fer 15. And now I'm calling Flamie 14th. I have checked stats and made my guesses. Let's see if I am right :D Btw I'm on a hat trick. I called both kjaerbye and fer. My opinions on your ranking: Well thought out and analysed but I'm not sure what exactly you are comparing and what exactly is the weightage of each stat based on? I am pretty sure konfig missed out already. He isn't catching fer. I don't care if admin tells me he is not. If konfig is not 14th he is already out of the list. Flamie and olofmeister deserve it more. Placing konfig above fer does not seem logical to me personally.
2017-01-07 17:05
#114
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
What about s1mple? He has so low maps on LAN in 2016 (only 67 excluding all-stars game) that I seriously think it could be him missing out despite his incredible stats from majors, New York, EPICENTER and SL-i-League Invitational. But that would be so unexpected and is probably not likely :D
2017-01-07 17:27
S1mple missing out is highly unlikely. Even if he has low overall maps played. He has played most of his maps in big events. He has higher maps played in big events than magiskboy and has basically the same number of maps as kjaerbye and k0nfig. He has a tournament MVP and good major rating. Does not make sense to leave s1mple out in favour of k0nfig. He will be 7-9 most likely. Magisk will be above him IMO.
2017-01-07 17:34
#117
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
You are right except number of LAN maps played. In big events it's close but in LAN games even if we exclude Danish Events and some qualifiers k0nfig has 100 while s1mple has 67 LAN maps (all maps all from medium to big international events - i excluded Copenhagen Games for example). And k0nfig has MVP and good major rating too ;) Yes it's ~impossible that s1mple will be left out, but it's a fact that ~all his games are from "big tournaments". He basicaly played almost only in them. No other player consider for this TOP has so little LAN games. But in the end he will probably be in or around TOP10 :D
2017-01-07 17:55
Missing out flamie, k0nfig, olof or s1mple would be weird any way... :D One of them won't make it. If it was for a sample size too small I would understand s1mple being out. Also, as you asked, the weightage of my stats are : 1. ADR 2. Survivability 3. Contribution As they said in the intro, they are introducing a new way of rating players and valuating more ADR. The rating 2.0 is more about consistency & impact.
2017-01-07 18:07
#119
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
So who you have not making the cut? I'm torn... I picking kennyS on 14th like you, because he will be in for sure so maybe he will be 14th. And picking one of the players you've mentioned, when this player will not be 14th won't clarify anything. He can be higher or not be there at all IMO :D
2017-01-07 18:14
It can't be k0nfig, he has better stats than olof & flamie. It's either one of these two not making it. OR It's s1mple because of the small sample size of maps. Hoping Twgri1s will answer :D Anyway I'm excited to see the #14 tonight!
2017-01-07 18:18
#122
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Both would be weird tbh :D Tgwri1s will not answer probably, because it would make it too obvious IMO. Or he will answer, but will not say specific number ;) I'm also waiting. Maybe 14th place will clarify something :D PS. After some research I really think it could be s1mple. He has low number of games and stats from Sl i-League are s1mple carrying weak players to 5th-6th place, Majors aren't that important and looking in what games he got his rating high it's not that impressive like e.g. Thoorin makes it to be (i.e. he rarely was far better than all of Liquid). Other than that he carried in ESL NY and Epicenter Looking this way it is possible. But still it would be unimaginable for many :D
2017-01-07 18:58
We were all wrong!! :D
2017-01-07 22:48
This just ensures that k0nfig won't be on the list. :3
2017-01-08 02:00
It's stupid I can't edit some posts, I added KD & more to my personnal rating as well as more stats for Impact. Like FalleN has these incredible stats : #1 in Survivability #1 in Rounds won when first kill (78.1%) #1 in First kill in won rounds (19.8%) #2 in AWP kills / rounds (0.41) #2 in Opening kills #3 in K/D ratio (1.26) #3 in Clutch rounds #3 in Rounds with a contribution He deserves to be #2, at first I was thinking device could be #2... But men FalleN carried as hell.
2017-01-07 18:48
#123
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
You cannot edit after some time has passed if I'm not mistaken. PS. Fun fact: If you are correct about Snax he would be 4th third time xD Snax - Forever 4th :D
2017-01-07 19:01
He will be 4th. I'm pretty sure about my top8 :D Also, I think he will be really happy to be 4th a second time in a row, I mean even if I was only #20, I would be happy to make it every year :D Also, to correct my stats above, I'm wrong : FalleN : #3 in Rounds won when first kill (78.1%) #2 in First kill in won rounds (19.8%) Snax : #2 in Rounds won when first kill (79.0%) #3 in First kill in won rounds (18.8%) NiKo : #(unknown) in Rounds won when first kill (72.2%) #1 in First kill in won rounds (23.4%) flusha : #1 in Rounds won when first kill (80.3%) #(unknown) in First kill in won rounds (13.4%)
2017-01-07 19:12
#125
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
not second time, third :D He was 4th in 2014, 2015 and by your estimation will be 4th in 2016 :D As I said: forever 4th xD
2017-01-07 19:39
Oh yeah, I forgot he was 4th in 2014 too :D It shows you that he is a fucking beast !
2017-01-07 19:43
#127
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
True words man. The definition of consistency, right? :D
2017-01-07 19:46
Surely. I don't know if you checked this year' stats from VP, but overall TaZ stepped up. Byali was a bit lower in shape and really inconsistent, online he was non-existant, that's why they did not qualify for many events; but when he was on point, they went really far. VP is a strange team because to me they're all stars and yet this year apart from Snax, no one really impressed. (apart from a brief stint from neo, in one tournament :D)
2017-01-07 19:51
#130
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Yea VP is a strange team i can agree :D Neo's once in a blue moon good performances are probably result of him IGL'ing almost if not all year. Taz often steps up in important games on LAN. Pasha plays way too inconsistent for my liking after 2014 (he have "those maps" once out of maybe 10 or 15). He have to be better if VP gonna play better more often. Byali is easily tilting from what I've seen. If he is on he is very instrumental for them. Snax... well we've said enough :D
2017-01-07 20:03
#131
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
And now what :D Magisk is 14th. I don't know anymore :D
2017-01-07 20:06
... Yeah. I feel like it's not really deserved as he has top10 stats. In all honesty he has top5 stats but he attended less big events, that's why he was out of my top5. #14 is really lower than expected, but waaay lower. I think the downside of my ranking is that I'm not considering all the high caliber events they attended to place them higher or lower. Gotta work on this :D
2017-01-07 21:27
#135
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Yea that #1 rating, #2 contribution, #4 KPR and #5 ADR is a good indicator of how good of a player he is and probably will be for the years to come :D
2017-01-07 21:32
#107
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Other Arubian 
KennyS
2017-01-07 16:06
?
2017-01-07 16:51
screams no where close to shox lmao
2017-01-07 19:52
They have pretty much the same stats and achievement... Of course they have to be close together...
2017-01-07 20:27
#133
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
So I'm guessing that k0nfig won't be there after all. Because Magisk has better rating in all events when both him and k0nfig played in Dignitas (via article about Magisk) and k0nfig has only 1 really impressive event before that move (Game Show). So he's behind Magisk after the move in all of events (EPICENTER he wasn't MVP but also wasn't really "worse" than k0nfig) and didn't impress that much before the move. I guess that's case closed. Do you agree?
2017-01-07 20:53
I'm not sure... I don't understand how Magiskb0Y did not have that MVP from EPICENTER, he has the highest stats everywhere K/D, ADR, KPR, APR, DPR, but fails only on one stats "Team win percent after first kill". k0nfig can still make it if s1mple isnt on the list :D He can be just after Magisk, because he has one of the highest "Team win percent after first kill" percentage, together with really great stats #6 ADR rating, #7 KPR rating, #2 HS per Round, #5 clutch rounds :D
2017-01-07 22:25
you underrate f0rest F0rest x4 better than gtr this year, very impact for nip, always top fragging and save nip many rounds 2 MVP tell us he should be top 10 / 5
2017-01-07 21:34
I doubt Fallen will be 2nd, he do have great result, but probably he will be 4th or 5th. IMO 2.device 3.shox 4.fallen
2017-01-07 21:42
FalleN was more tested than device, in their ranking they are weighting the playoffs much more than anything. Astralis did not really go far this year except later this year but it was only few events. FalleN went in two majors finals, and in many finals at big events + a lot of playoffs (1/4 or 1/2 finishes). shox will be 100% behind FalleN aswell.
2017-01-07 21:58
I think HLTV says this year they will value less on majors, as well as putting more weight into individual skills.
2017-01-07 22:04
Yes, but what I'm saying is that in their articles they are giving more importance to the stats of a player when he reached the playoffs. :D
2017-01-07 22:06
Here we go again : I re-ordered the ranking by tournament's weight (bigger tournament + going to the playoffs = stats are more crucial). 1. coldzera (SK) 2. FalleN (SK) 3. device (Astralis) 4. Snax (VP) 5. shox (G2) 6. ScreaM (G2) 7. s1mple (Na'Vi) 8. f0rest (NiP) 9. flusha(Godsent) 10. kennyS (EnVyUs) 11. olofmeister (fnatic) or flamie (Na'Vi) 12. NiKo (mousesports) 13. k0nfig (dignitas) 14. Magiskb0Y (dignitas) 15. fer (SK) 16. Kjaerbye (Astralis) 17. GuardiaN (Na'Vi) 18. GeT_RiGhT (NiP) 19. fnx (ex-SK) 20. dennis (fnatic)
2017-01-07 22:46
I highly predict flamie to be on the list over k0nfig
2017-01-08 04:11
#145
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Technically, the only assumptions were 1-15 and you failed to correctly guess 15 and 14. Good luck, friend. The most recent list post #142 is accurate. Err, "ish".
2017-01-08 02:02
I've got Kjaerbye right, predictions were made after guardian was announced :p
2017-01-08 03:15
1. coldzera (SK) 2. FalleN (SK) 3. device (Astralis) 4. Snax (VP) 5. shox (G2) 6. ScreaM (G2) 7. s1mple (Na'Vi) 8. f0rest (NiP) 9. flusha(Godsent) 10. olofmeister (fnatic) or flamie (Na'Vi) 11. k0nfig (dignitas) 12. NiKo (mousesports) 13. kennyS (EnVyUs) 14. Magiskb0Y (dignitas) 15. fer (SK) 16. Kjaerbye (Astralis) 17. GuardiaN (Na'Vi) 18. GeT_RiGhT (NiP) 19. fnx (ex-SK) 20. dennis (fnatic) If NiKo or k0nfig aren't next, they are not in this top20. NiKo has incredible stats but with mouz he never went as far as EnVyUs this year. k0nfig has had good ratings but not to overshadow Magiskb0Y from 3-4 ranks in this ranking. If the next two aren't these ones... then they're not in :P
2017-01-08 20:41
#150
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Niko must be in. After all he's the other player who didn't win any "big tournament". Did you forget? And i stopped considering k0nfig to be in the moment Magisk appeared (Magisk was better when the both played together and k0nfig wasn't that good before to be higher IMO). So my ranking would be: 1. coldzera (SK) 2. FalleN (SK) 3. device (Astralis) 4. Snax (VP) 5. shox (G2) 6. ScreaM (G2) 7. s1mple (Na'Vi) 8. f0rest (NiP) 9. olofmeister (fnatic) or flamie (Na'Vi) 10. olofmeister (fnatic) or flamie (Na'Vi) 11. flusha(Godsent) 12. NiKo (mousesports) So basically yours, but without k0nfig (i've explained above) and with flusha swapped with flamie and olof (to me flusha hasn't had better second half of year in Godsent than flamie and olof in Na'vi and Fnatic respectively and his first half was "worse" while playing with olof - he was consistent, but not that impactful IMO). Other than that I agree with you (I'm not 100% sure about s1mple and Scream though) :D
2017-01-08 21:38
Well, now k0nfig as no chance yeah :P Imo next is olof, who played similarly to flamie (amazing 1st half of the year, with two MvP), but instead, he dropped massively later this year. I can't believe having NiKo or olof in the top10... NiKo did not achieve much while olof disappeared from the servers ^^. I guess now my new list is pretty accurate : 1. coldzera (SK) 2. FalleN (SK) 3. device (Astralis) 4. Snax (VP) 5. shox (G2) 6. ScreaM (G2) 7. s1mple (Na'Vi) 8. f0rest (NiP) 9. flusha (Godsent) 10. NiKo (mousesports) 11. olofmeister (fnatic) 12. flamie (Na'Vi) 13. kennyS (EnVyUs) 14. Magiskb0Y (dignitas) 15. fer (SK) 16. Kjaerbye (Astralis) 17. GuardiaN (Na'Vi) 18. GeT_RiGhT (NiP) 19. fnx (ex-SK) 20. dennis (fnatic) The point with flusha is he was always consistent, even when godsent was shit, he was carrying.
2017-01-09 20:29
#155
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Yea, but olof was a better performer while both played in fnatic. And in Godsent he didn't play in much tournaments to make for the gap IMO (olof played more "big tournaments" after the swap i believe). I think that would put olof ahead of flusha, but it's IMO very close. Both of them should also be above Niko in my eyes (as his stats are greatly boosted by Predator Masters, Gfinity and some others - HLTV could not include all of them for his article and that would make his stats only slightly better than olof's and flusha's. Thats what I think at least). The next place will probably answer ~all of my questions :D Cheers man :D
2017-01-09 21:06
Wups, I forgot to update it, but I was right for NiKo, now there will be olof & then flusha :P
2017-01-10 21:36
#158
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
I was also right ;)
2017-01-10 21:41
#159
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Don't you think that olof should be above flusha? He played better while they were playing together and flusha wasn't that good in second half of the year to be above him IMO.
2017-01-10 21:43
I don't know, when comparing pure stats, flusha > olof. But as they are also doing games by games and events by events they could indeed have olof higher than flusha. flusha was consitent all this year though, so it might be more valuable. Idk to me it feels like it's 50/50 :P
2017-01-10 22:07
#161
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Yeah, it's close but i will pick flusha next :D I have three correct picks so it's not that bad :D PS. We pretty much agree on all other places :D
2017-01-10 22:13
u got 1 right so far ... ;d
2017-01-09 20:36
Yeah, but since we don't have all the stats available to us and we don't really know how they are sorting the stats from major/big/medium events I'd say having +-2 margin of errors is acceptable. I got fer #13 in my initial ranking, I got kennyS at #15, flamie at 10/11... It's pretty acceptable :P I was only wrong on Magiskb0Y & GuardiaN, I would have placed them higher.
2017-01-09 21:21
Forgot to update this post, thanks to some analysis with Vilgefortz, we predicted NiKo & flusha right :P Here it is : 1. coldzera (SK) 2. FalleN (SK) 3. device (Astralis) 4. Snax (VP) 5. shox (G2) 6. ScreaM (G2) 7. s1mple (Na'Vi) 8. f0rest (NiP) 9. olofmeister (fnatic) 10. flusha (Godsent) 11. NiKo (mousesports) 12. flamie (Na'Vi) 13. kennyS (EnVyUs) 14. Magiskb0Y (dignitas) 15. fer (SK) 16. Kjaerbye (Astralis) 17. GuardiaN (Na'Vi) 18. GeT_RiGhT (NiP) 19. fnx (ex-SK) 20. dennis (fnatic)
2017-01-11 22:38
1. coldzera (SK) 2. FalleN (SK) 3. device (Astralis) 4. Snax (VP) 5. ScreaM (G2) 6. shox (G2) 7. s1mple (Na'Vi) 8. f0rest (NiP) 9. olofmeister (fnatic) 10. flusha (Godsent) 11. NiKo (mousesports) 12. flamie (Na'Vi) 13. kennyS (EnVyUs) 14. Magiskb0Y (dignitas) 15. fer (SK) 16. Kjaerbye (Astralis) 17. GuardiaN (Na'Vi) 18. GeT_RiGhT (NiP) 19. fnx (ex-SK) 20. dennis (fnatic)
2017-01-11 23:46
well, will olof be in top 10?
2017-01-12 22:55
Yes :P
2017-01-13 20:56
haha If some one had said earlier that olof would be top 8, wouldn't have believed it, would have laughed in his face.
2017-01-13 20:59
same, I was even doubting he was in :P
2017-01-13 21:54
I took the MVP & EVP awards in consideration in my new rating (as well as keeping the other stats in consideration), fuck me I forgot to update it and vote today for the guess game (I would have got it right :'() : 1. coldzera (SK) 2. FalleN (SK) 3. device (Astralis) 4. f0rest (NiP) 5. Snax (VP) 6. shox (G2) 7. s1mple (Na'Vi) 8. olofmeister (fnatic) 9. ScreaM (G2) 10. flusha (Godsent) 11. NiKo (mousesports) 12. flamie (Na'Vi) 13. kennyS (EnVyUs) 14. Magiskb0Y (dignitas) 15. fer (SK) 16. Kjaerbye (Astralis) 17. GuardiaN (Na'Vi) 18. GeT_RiGhT (NiP) 19. fnx (ex-SK) 20. dennis (fnatic)
2017-01-13 20:59
#170
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Poland Xachariah 
I think that you took it too far with f0rest. He was good, but he doesn't deserves 4th place IMO. But we will see :D I'm sticking with f0rest on 7th or 6th.
2017-01-13 23:10
3 MVP & 6 EVP ^^
2017-01-14 08:06
#173
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Poland Xachariah 
6? From where did you get that number :D ? He was the MVP of DH Malmo, IEM Oakland, SL i-League StarSeries Season 2 - I agree. But from what I've looked he can have EVP from eleague s1 and if we are very generous ESL S3 Finals and Katowice (I personally wouldn't give him the last two possible EVPs that I mentioned). I'm curious about your other EVPs for f0rest. Or maybe I missunderstood you? Can you clarify?
2017-01-14 12:22
#174
NEO | 
Poland Xachariah 
Shox has by my estimation 1 MVP and 3 sure EVP (ECS, SL i-League StarSeries Season 2, Northern Arena), and three somewhat likely (Game Show Global, Eleague S1 and Epicenter) S1mple one MVP and EVP from EPICENTER, Cologne, SL i-League Invitational #1 and probably Columbus. Snax MVP from SL i-League Invitational #1 and Eleague S1. EVP from New York. Maybe from Cologne and CEVO Gfinity Professional Season 9 Finals. Snax on Malmo was very good, but he played only 4 maps so probably no EVP. It feels like Snax has the least awards but he leads the clutch, is very high in opening kils and is solid in consistency statistics. I think I will go with f0rest -> S1mple -> Shox -> Snax or f0rest -> shox -> S1mple -> Snax. It might change if someone will be two places from my prediction (If it will be just one place then I will just swap those two close to each other in next prediction) I think f0rest has too average stats in tournaments he was not the MVP or EVP to be that high. S1mple has too few LAN games IMO. And Snax was more impactful (and had less help - both Scream and Shox in Top10 and from VP only Snax). I might underrate s1mple and he may be higher. That's all from me. Cheers :D
2017-01-14 13:34
#168
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Russia Windcast 
okay, so we have now last 7 guys: coldzera, device, f0rest, Snax, FalleN, shox, s1mple
2017-01-13 21:01
What is the point if you keep changing that ?
2017-01-13 23:20
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