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teams that were once on top but suck now
Finland QLLI 
entire swedish scene. any others?
2017-05-19 07:43
French scene + Polish scene
2017-05-19 07:56
NEO | 
Poland sedi 
He said "once"
2017-05-19 08:05
fnatic envyus (kennys, apex, nbk, happy, kio) g2 (shox, boddy, smithzz, scream, rpk) sk nip vp navi whole na scene also renegades :(
2017-05-19 08:12
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United States fafiko3 
I cannot agree more
2017-05-19 08:10
who is good now ?
2017-05-19 08:46
Astralis they were never top 1 as tsm FaZe SK but not top 1 anymore
2017-05-19 08:47
hmm, ok u forgot gambit is good now
2017-05-19 08:48
Poland Vwash 
Gambit is still shit and they will always be shit
2017-05-19 08:59
Australia Ohnorepo 
Gambit was never good, but have become pretty solid recently.
2017-05-19 09:00
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
Na`Vi are still better than Gambit. People are getting way over-excited about Gambit winning some shit tournaments. Na`Vi have recently been getting eliminated out of all LANs by Astralis who go on to finish top 2. If Na`Vi played against the caliber of teams that Gambit beat to win austin and place 2nd in the summit they would look good too.
2017-05-19 09:30
Paraguay HighAIching 
Gambit beat g2, meanwhile navi get 3-16'd by mouz
2017-05-19 09:51
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
Excellent sample size. Means a lot. Gambit didn't make it out of the groups at starladder losing to everyone except the Chinese.
2017-05-19 12:02
Paraguay HighAIching 
Navi lose even to misfits lol
2017-05-19 16:30
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
Everyone loses to everyone once in a while.
2017-05-19 17:26
Oceania cwns 
In terms of potential, teams that should've gone a lot further are: Epsilon Renegades C9 OpTiC Liquid Old GODSENT SS
2017-05-19 09:19
What about NiP? Kappa
2017-05-19 09:22
Ence, used to be EZ for them but not anymore.
2017-05-19 09:24
NiP (Ranked #13 - say no more, it's NiP FFS LOL) (Just WTF way too often ATM) NaVi (Underwhelmed most of 2017, pretty much never challenge for events now) fnatic (Same lineup that won Majors? could fool me...) Most of NA (Optic, Cloud9, CLG, Liquid all looked good at one point the last year and have F~#KED IT HAHA)
2017-05-19 09:27
Actually this fnatic lineup never won a major
2017-05-19 09:42
Apologies I forgot dennis wasn't in the lineup. Still with dennis in late 2015/ early 2016 over a period of 4 months they won: FACEIT 2015 Stage 3 Finals Fragbite Masters Season 5 ESL ESEA Pro League Season II Finals StarLadder StarSeries XIV Finals ESL Expo Barcelona Intel Extreme Masters X - World Championship That's like $500K :D! They've def dropped in form.
2017-05-19 12:51
They won katowice 2016 as well didnt they
2017-05-19 18:21
I think IEM X was in Katowice
2017-05-19 19:28
Oh ok different name i got you
2017-05-19 19:31
Any professional team can have bad times, however in CS slopes come so easy which is very surprising. Don't know if some players do not act as professional as most athletes would for example. Or is it that the game is has to little alternatives, this could mean that soon as you reached top level other team study your ways and soon they will pass you and next year you will see the same pattern? Regarding NIP the worst thing is that you never hear anything from management or players when they fail big time. You would like some sort of comments on the matter just like any other sport.
2017-05-19 09:37
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