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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Not best team. Not trying to say SK is better than old Fnatic because they werent. they loose many times to them. but when old fnatic was good there was not many good teams to challenge them. So i think now they are at the same level they used to be at, just everybody else is better and tec-9 is worse. Sorry for bad london i typed that out really quick. What are your thoughts?
2017-06-30 12:39
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SK is bestest
2017-06-30 12:40
SK is not even the best team in their country lost to immortrash lmao
2017-06-30 12:40
#32
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Brazil P4t0NTC 
Cry For Immortals FUCKING STUPID GERMAN
2017-06-30 16:31
#87
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Brazil P4t0NTC 
LOL Big one took advantage of a bug
2017-07-03 21:27
#96
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Lithuania arnas467 
lul cry is free
2017-07-03 22:21
#105
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Austria shaak! 
There's a T half as well u know and guess what BIG got 10 rounds on that :>
2017-07-04 15:55
#33
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Brazil firekzzz 
astralis lost for sk
2017-06-30 16:32
#3
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Germany zeolikk10years 
Actually there were some good T1 teams back then, VP, TSM, NiP, Envyus How many teams do we have for SK today? FaZe, G2 and maybe Astralis? Thats even less than fnatic had
2017-06-30 12:41
#7
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United Kingdom MainSlayer 
+1
2017-06-30 12:45
#9
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb 
+Navi
2017-06-30 12:48
yea right!
2017-06-30 12:59
#13
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
TSM < Astralis VP (Old) > VP (New) NiP (Old) > NiP (New) nV < G2 FaZe and Ast are very good. I think they could both beat old Fnatic. G2 is very good. And then we have many teams that can upset like Gambit, Cloud9, Heroic, CLG and North
2017-06-30 13:13
#22
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Asia ElemeNt4ffff 
Lol!u dont know old envyus?ha?they won dhclujnapo and were in final at coligne2015 and g2?out of groupin ecs annnd astralis!rhey won lucky atlanta look groupstage lost even godsent
2017-06-30 14:09
#23
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Rip London
2017-06-30 14:14
#27
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Asia ElemeNt4ffff 
Clown.so im not english .
2017-06-30 16:15
if youre not english/speak the language, fluently then you should focus more on getting the spelling right, your typos just make it even harder to understand and realistically they take a second to correct
2017-06-30 16:40
#49
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Sweden chainylol 
old nV >>> g2 dude
2017-06-30 17:30
G2 won EPL?
2017-06-30 20:14
#66
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Asia ElemeNt4ffff 
Epl s5.a
2017-07-01 03:41
TSM <= Astralis Old VP > New VP Old NiP > New NiP nV > G2 Kinguin/G2 = FaZe Old Na'Vi > New Na'Vi Old Cloud9 > New Cloud9
2017-06-30 14:18
#25
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
New C9 > Old C9 Old c9 did not have stewie or automatic and never won anything
2017-06-30 14:31
#30
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Sweden LimeyGaming 
Your baits are so bad. Not even funny.
2017-06-30 16:28
#52
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Brazil adre221 
Faze >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G2/kinguin
2017-06-30 18:15
G2/Kinguin played a major semi-final and they were a really solid team
2017-07-01 02:59
#67
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Brazil adre221 
They were still far from top2.
2017-07-01 12:32
And? That means nothing. There were much better teams back in late 2015. fnatic, EnVyUs, TSM, VP, Na'Vi, NiP, Cloud9. They were in top 5 with these teams playing. If these teams were still playing now, FaZe wouldn't be top 2.
2017-07-01 13:14
#70
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Brazil adre221 
''there were much better teams back in late 2015'' HAHAHAHAHAHAHA funny joke The scene is much more competitive now, and all the teams you mentioned still exists.
2017-07-01 13:28
0/8, nt newfag
2017-07-01 13:47
#77
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Brazil adre221 
You have no arguments? I'm not surprised
2017-07-01 16:58
0/8, I'm not going to present my arguments to a retarded monkey baiter
2017-07-01 19:55
#86
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Brazil adre221 
You don't have any, gtfo from here, you look like a little kid with those edgy personal insults.
2017-07-01 21:23
"nV < G2" hahahahahaha
2017-07-01 13:56
yeah +1
2017-06-30 13:39
#40
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Afghanistan crywolf1337 
+1 Old Fnatic > ALL
2017-06-30 16:41
I know, people here are just butthurt and/or delusional. That fnatic line up would struggle to make top 10 tbf.
2017-06-30 12:42
#18
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Sweden EnAiPi 
That fnatic line up would probably be a solid top 6 team today
2017-06-30 13:42
Dunno if bait or serious.
2017-07-01 18:14
#5
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Portugal RKO23 
lol , that logic -.-
2017-06-30 12:42
why all care about csgo??? roblox is real shit! u can do EPIC building in roblox in csgo u not can even place items in world. roblox even has better graphics and u can make EVERYTHING in roblox!!! u can even do guns THAT MAKE DAMAGE!!! very epic, csgo overrated stop play while u can only poo faces play csgo roblox only very mature mans play! there even very scary horror map that make all mans poo in pants and not get sleep in night... in csgo there is blood that too violent there reason csgo not liked because there comes blood if shoot innocent people! stop play csgo and go play roblox.
2017-06-30 12:42
why all care about csgo??? roblox is real shit! u can do EPIC building in roblox in csgo u not can even place items in world. roblox even has better graphics and u can make EVERYTHING in roblox!!! u can even do guns THAT MAKE DAMAGE!!! very epic, csgo overrated stop play while u can only poo faces play csgo roblox only very mature mans play! there even very scary horror map that make all mans poo in pants and not get sleep in night... in csgo there is blood that too violent there reason csgo not liked because there comes blood if shoot innocent people! stop play csgo and go play roblox.
2017-06-30 13:40
why all care about csgo??? roblox is real shit! u can do EPIC building in roblox in csgo u not can even place items in world. roblox even has better graphics and u can make EVERYTHING in roblox!!! u can even do guns THAT MAKE DAMAGE!!! very epic, csgo overrated stop play while u can only poo faces play csgo roblox only very mature mans play! there even very scary horror map that make all mans poo in pants and not get sleep in night... in csgo there is blood that too violent there reason csgo not liked because there comes blood if shoot innocent people! stop play csgo and go play roblox.
2017-06-30 20:11
why all care about csgo??? roblox is real shit! u can do EPIC building in roblox in csgo u not can even place items in world. roblox even has better graphics and u can make EVERYTHING in roblox!!! u can even do guns THAT MAKE DAMAGE!!! very epic, csgo overrated stop play while u can only poo faces play csgo roblox only very mature mans play! there even very scary horror map that make all mans poo in pants and not get sleep in night... in csgo there is blood that too violent there reason csgo not liked because there comes blood if shoot innocent people! stop play csgo and go play roblox.
2017-07-01 13:35
why all care about csgo??? roblox is real shit! u can do EPIC building in roblox in csgo u not can even place items in world. roblox even has better graphics and u can make EVERYTHING in roblox!!! u can even do guns THAT MAKE DAMAGE!!! very epic, csgo overrated stop play while u can only poo faces play csgo roblox only very mature mans play! there even very scary horror map that make all mans poo in pants and not get sleep in night... in csgo there is blood that too violent there reason csgo not liked because there comes blood if shoot innocent people! stop play csgo and go play roblox.
2017-07-01 17:06
#97
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Norway wavybaby 
why all care about csgo??? roblox is real shit! u can do EPIC building in roblox in csgo u not can even place items in world. roblox even has better graphics and u can make EVERYTHING in roblox!!! u can even do guns THAT MAKE DAMAGE!!! very epic, csgo overrated stop play while u can only poo faces play csgo roblox only very mature mans play! there even very scary horror map that make all mans poo in pants and not get sleep in night... in csgo there is blood that too violent there reason csgo not liked because there comes blood if shoot innocent people! stop play csgo and go play roblox.
2017-07-03 22:27
#8
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Other khorkalba 
Fnatic clearly are a lot worse now than they were under Pronax. None of them play with confidence anymore, and their teamplay and trust in each other has gone to shit. Prime Fnatic would actually match up very well against SK I think.
2017-06-30 12:47
yes I agree cause they fucked up their trust by going in godsent, that was the end, and sooner or later they will leave again
2017-06-30 12:51
#11
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Portugal RKO23 
lol, what do you guys know about them , please stfu. if you have prove ,prove it ,if you do not have it ,then please stop saying bullshit , thank you.
2017-06-30 12:53
dude how would you feel if someone betray you like flusha krimz and jw betrayed olof and dennis? its to obvious, or you are just a kid to get it
2017-07-01 18:12
olofmeister and dennis wanted to kick JW lol
2017-07-01 18:13
#14
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
SK With Felps > Old Fnatic > SK With fnx > Current Fnatic
2017-06-30 13:14
#15
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Other khorkalba 
Old Fnatic > SK with fnx > SK with felps > Current Fnatic SK with felps don't even know what their map pool is. They used to be gods on maps like overpass and train, yet even the current Fnatic destroyed them recently on overpass.
2017-06-30 13:17
#16
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Yes but now they good at diffrent maps. they can still play train and overpass. I was very bad for them when D2 was removed
2017-06-30 13:18
#59
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Brazil Goneeeeeee 
I agree with you Harry. With Felps SK has some different and improbable ways to approach rounds.
2017-06-30 19:58
sk with felps majors = 0 sk with fnx = 2 majors lets see what sk will do in krakow.
2017-06-30 19:06
ur right about the confidence thing. their confidence and how they intimidated teams was a major factor in their success.
2017-06-30 16:38
Fnatic was good when csgo was more aim-based than tatic. That also explains the french teams doing good that couple of years. What happened is that fallen changed the meta in 2016 to a more tatic game than aim-based. That was the fall of lazy-skilled teams.
2017-06-30 13:20
Cs go is same,just Fnatic's tactic dont work anymore.And their aim isnt so good.If olof didnt injur,ez fnatic 2015-2020 domination.If u watch old matches olof was fuckin' clutchin' everything.
2017-06-30 16:20
Dude, the level is so much bigger than before. There's no really dominance nowadays, cause when a team is in the top, if they get lazy and dont improve every day, they get anti-strated and lose. Simple like that.
2017-06-30 19:01
Cmon dude watch 2015 Fnatic they where fuckin' rushing without granades and killin' everyone.Cus their aim was fuckin' the best.Fnatic became F3 last time,they dont rush like before and dont play like before.If they play at same level,that will be guaranted top 1-2 team.
2017-06-30 19:19
How do you compare 2015 Era to 2016-2017 era. CS right now is way more competitive. Take a look at G2, Fnatic and NIP. All of them were at the very top a few years ago but now they are not even top 5 apart from G2. Old fnatic was amazing in their time but right now its like comparing apples with oranges...
2017-06-30 13:40
#35
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Sweden LimeyGaming 
"How do you compare 2015 Era to 2016-2017 era. CS right now is way more competitive" - I lol'ed so hard at this. First you talk that you can't compare and then you compare them yourself. gg thinking. And you're even wrong about your statement. Right now theres only 4 teams capable of contending for a championship. In 2016 there can be cases made it was even fewer teams than that. Back in 2015 you had so many teams that could compete for the titles. Hell, even cloud9 was a legit contender for tournaments. Before there was NiP, Envy, Kinguin/G2, VP, Fnatic, C9 TSM and Na'Vi. If you don't know the proper history, just stay silent.
2017-06-30 16:34
+1 2016 was a fuckfest of one win wonders that made it seem more competitive. imo 2017 is the most competitive for intra-tier matchups (e.g. astralis=sk=faze='g2?') however inter-tier matches are still fairly obvious (e.g. sk,ast,g2,faze >> gambit,c9 even fucking north whos ranked 5th cant compete with the top level). 2015 there were so many times when yu actually didnt know who was gonna win (aside from fnatic) and the level between tiers was much more blurred.
2017-06-30 16:45
Point is that Fnatic was so dominant in the early 2015 and then again early 2016 that no other team had a chance. Now we literally don't know who will win the tournament with upsets like C9 over Astralis and Overitime finals SK vs FAZE. In 2015 i could tell you that fnatic will win that tournament with 80% certainty.
2017-06-30 16:50
#43
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Sweden LimeyGaming 
Plenty of teams had chances to win in 2015. Envy won a major. There was a good amount of teams that was capable of winning. Fnatic was just there in the big moments, especially Olof and Krimz coming through with big clutches. Fnatic made the difficult look easy. Now on the other hand, there is a serious lack of actual contending teams. Just because everyone is bad, doesn't mean it's more competitive. 2015 was competitive as hell where any team in the top10 could win at any tournament, just so happens Fnatic dominated anyway because they were JUST THAT GOOD. In 2016 SK won two majors because everyone literally fucked up. Would you think Liquid would've gotten to a major semi and a major final in the same year in any other year? No, because they were dogshit and still is. When one player can carry a team into a final (Yes, s1mple fucking dragged them there) you know there is a lack of competition. Stop pretending like it's more competitive now. Go watch games of 2015 and come back kid.
2017-06-30 16:59
Ill lay it out nice and easy for you grandpa 1) Early 2015 and early 2016 ( not ENVY ERA ) summer till end of 2015 ), reading is hard i know mayne. 2) Liquid got 2 semi final + final cuz of S1MPLE, no S1MPLE = NO MAJOR playoffs for shitquid. S1mple is a beast when he can do whatever he wants without strict rules. Na'vi use him poorly so he doesn't shine as much. When he stood in for NIP, he could do whatever he wanted and he went godmode as expected. Early 2015 nobody stood a chance against fnatic ( TSM choked every chance they got )
2017-06-30 17:02
#45
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Sweden LimeyGaming 
Lol you are so retarded. 2015 is 2015. You are putting it like fnatic had two eras. Envy competed against TOP LEVEL FNATIC, so did other teams. You are just too fucking dense to comprehend it. I'm done talking with you. Go fucking kys.
2017-06-30 17:05
+10000 Fairest comment in 2017.
2017-06-30 19:30
+1
2017-07-01 13:53
#90
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Russia Nikosimus 
+1 to this remember when NiP did beat TSM in Cluj where noone expected this And then got raped by NaVi who didnt win it eventually lul And there were a lot of examples like this during the whole year where almost each team was dangerous at some point
2017-07-03 21:53
pronax is returning to take care of FNATIC because GODSENT won't make it to the Major and because of the WESA rule RFRESH will drop them as an org so players will search for anothers orgs
2017-06-30 14:33
"but when old fnatic was good there was not many good teams to challenge them" Yeah, because they were miles ahead of everyone. SK has to sweat for every title. But yeah, keep up these threads.
2017-06-30 16:23
#36
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Sweden LimeyGaming 
This. A million times this. Fnatic even had more teams at the level SK is on atm back in those days. Now it's like 4 teams capable of winning, back then there was like 8 or something.
2017-06-30 16:35
fnatic lost their power finally when they failed against s1mple's Liquid, then there has been no fnatic, just their lost memories.
2017-06-30 16:29
#34
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Sweden lagcats 
almost every team that exists not existed back then
2017-06-30 16:34
lol, as far as I can remember almost every team already existed, maybe with one or two changes on their lineup
2017-06-30 17:44
#62
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Sweden lagcats 
LOL that's what i meant, lmao
2017-06-30 23:22
#38
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World Spourma 
fnatic era not many good teams choose one
2017-06-30 16:39
#46
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Lithuania Eddie_Black 
the reason there weren't that many good teams to challenge them was because they were that dominant
2017-06-30 17:06
#47
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Australia iPinK_Guy 
sk won fnatic in their home lul
2017-06-30 17:09
why are this idiots silvers here? talking about shit they dont shit about.
2017-06-30 17:28
Stop saying old fnatic old vp old nip old nv fnatic have the same roster vp have the same roster old nv did nothing last year nip had the core 4 roster changing the 5 since 2014
2017-06-30 17:56
#102
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Yes but new teams now. FaZe > Fnatic SK > Fnatic North > Fnatic Liquid > Fnatic
2017-07-04 10:45
Why are people now baiting with the "fnatic era wasnt competitive" bullshit? Are you guys actually that retarded to believe that or just new to the game?
2017-06-30 19:33
#63
ruler | 
Brazil VAMOUZ 
because, if you look at how competitive the major qualifier is, i highly doubt a tier 5 team like fnatic would make it thru, even if they were the favourites. but back in the day, when the competition was shit, fnatic would dominate because they actually could compete. lol.
2017-07-01 00:01
#103
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
+1
2017-07-04 10:45
Just shhh. Ur words are irrelevant
2017-07-03 22:17
when fnatic was the best - titan, navi, envyus, vp, nip, tsm, lg, yes not that much competition.. now - sk, g2, faze, astralis
2017-07-01 00:06
80K id plebs telling you how it is, gg
2017-07-01 13:19
#73
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United States _waterrr 
You must be challenged. EnVyUs and Fnatic had one of the greatest rivalries in 2015 and Na'Vi was world class and only improving towards the end of 2015 and TSM was always a huge threat remaining a top 5 team year long.
2017-07-01 13:51
#75
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Croatia mds818 
you're not nessesary correct,there was shitload of competition from a lot of teams however the difference was that a lot of them had their own style while fnatic had their unique run and gun,the difference,the thing is that there're a lot of new players which did not really player on that level while fnatic is fairly known now,however if fnatic changes their playstyle(what they're doing now) other teams got something to be afraid,even throught we're yet to see results of that.
2017-07-01 13:55
#83
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Norway fen0m 
There were teams challenging them like TSM, Envyus in their prime, LG (16-0), Navi
2017-07-01 18:14
old NIP was best.
2017-07-01 18:15
Stop with these shitty baits you newfags honestly, 2015 was WAY more competitive in tier 1 than it is now, the only reason now no team can dominate the scene is because all the top teams are inconsistent, they go literally months without winning anything, have a good run where they win 1 or 2 events than go back to months without winning anything. Tier 1 Fnatic, NiP, VP, Na'vi, TSM, EnvyUS 6 teams, in tier 2 you had teams like Titan & Luminosity just to name a couple. The only difference is Fnatic was consistent as fuck and winning a lot of events because of that.
2017-07-03 21:45
#89
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Romania DavidLeBoz 
Fnatic fell out in bad terms arguing etc... competition got better and fnatic got worse they can comeback to a good form i believe
2017-07-03 21:48
#91
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Spain Todd_Howard 
well, tsm, best nip, best vp, best envy, best navi. the thing is that fnatic destroyed them all event after event
2017-07-03 21:55
#92
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Russia Nikosimus 
In terms of domination NiP era will always be #1 In terms of consistency and events' importance Fnatic's era will always be #1 SK don't have any eras like that but 1st half of 2016 can be described as SK's playground during everyone's development And btw you cant compare teams now to teams back then cuz the game itself has changed a lot, the scene has grown and some teams didnt even exist lul
2017-07-03 21:58
terrible bait
2017-07-03 22:19
Fnatic fans are so delusional lol
2017-07-03 22:21
#98
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France Seyo98 
do u want me to link u the 16-0 fnatic vs luminosity or what
2017-07-03 22:28
#99
allu | 
United States muffinner 
you are COMPLETELY wrong. You either didn't watch CS back then or you've forgotten what it was like. Tier one back then was even more skilled and competitive than it is now, and yet fnatic still won tournaments. EnVyUs and TSM (now Astralis) played their best in late 2015, and teams like Na'vi, VP, and NiP often had insane tournaments, but fnatic still took home so many trophies across the entire year. This is because fnatic's lineup was composed of many of the era's most skilled players. They had olof, undoubtedly the best player of 2015, krimz, a legendary support player, flusha, an incredibly smart player with insane game sense, jw, a player who, while not a star, was a consistent awper who could make risky plays to bring his team ahead, and finally, pronax, a talented igl whose leadership tied the team together. I cannot convey how much of a superstar lineup this was, so I just advise you to watch their matches and see for yourself. While it's impossible to compare fnatic to SK and Astralis, since they all peaked at different times, the way they consistently won tournaments during the most competitive time in csgo history shows that they are one of the best teams of all time, if not the best.
2017-07-03 23:21
/close
2017-07-03 23:21
#101
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
It wasnt. Like i said. Everybody else got better Tec-9 got worse. youtube.com/watch?v=3CKTb2TMO_w This wouldnt happend today. Most teams would be able to kill them all, (I dont know why NiP couldnt) and Tec-9 not as good
2017-07-04 10:44
fuck off dude your id is in the 85ks, you probably started watching cs a couple weeks ago
2017-07-04 18:00
#107
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
New kid. This my 3rd account you fucktard
2017-07-04 18:02
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