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France Zetherion 
It's heart breaking to say this but i don't see a team who can defeat them. BIG can beat them in BO1 but can them beat them in best of 3...? Gambit has not the skill base and the experience to rivalise w/ them Fnatic can shine but cannot defeat hem Astralis era is over and they can steal a map but not 2.. North is north VP is the outsider, I don't see them win against Sk but w/ a little bit of luck and God Snax they can make it. i think. Immortals. nothing to say.
2017-07-20 01:28
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#1
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Sweden HLTVBaitRating 
The only team that can beat SK is a plowing VP which is unlikely
2017-07-20 01:29
#5
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France Zetherion 
This is what I think, we will see how it goes but I don't have a lot of expectation
2017-07-20 01:30
#6
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Germany zeolikk10years 
+1 final should be VP vs SK probably SK 2-1 VP
2017-07-20 01:30
#106
Ex6TenZ | 
Finland qBeY 
It's very likely if they both make it to the finals
2017-07-20 15:10
#124
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United States kdpetr0 
Stupid op doesn't realize Astralis doing good > SK doing good
2017-07-22 22:25
#2
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Austria Adult_Hitter 
IMT I BELIEVE the brazilian underdog v2
2017-07-20 01:30
#41
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Brazil Mag0o 
love ppk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, nice mano!
2017-07-20 01:53
#77
FalleN | 
Brazil spfcmat 
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK PPK
2017-07-20 13:45
#94
fer | 
Brazil ronibr 
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk ppk
2017-07-20 14:05
#3
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Brazil LOOOOOL_4Head 
Fnatic
2017-07-20 01:30
#4
GeT_RiGhT | 
Italy drk94 
Wrong Only astralis can try to beat sk Rest is trash
2017-07-20 01:30
#10
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France Zetherion 
If VP is the old VP we can believe, Astralis cannot defeat them, SK never was a good opponents for us
2017-07-20 01:32
#74
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World neomax360 
I'm not even sure that VP will beat North. Even if their qualify, their game is still shaky.
2017-07-20 11:30
#107
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Australia iPinK_Guy 
true, but if astralis lose sk will win the major
2017-07-20 15:11
SK have a choke thing against VP so is very likely.
2017-07-20 01:31
#15
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Sweden kallespann 
VP, if TaZ has aim, which he had in vegas he was on point that LAN with his aim if they get the plow going without having 2 silver aimers (neo and taz) vp is good this lan neo and taz aim like silvers but the tactics are good too beat sk they need taz good aim
2017-07-20 01:33
#39
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North America hiqb8s 
sk are so much better now then vegas. VP are so much worse. hate to disappoint but sk have already won pgl. the only way they could be stopped was if G2 showed up here, at their year peak, and that they did not.
2017-07-20 01:52
#36
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Brazil maximoff66 
They dont, actually.Sk only lost against vp when they were in bad form
2017-07-20 01:51
#42
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France Zetherion 
SK has never be in bad form ^^, they have always perform more than any other team x)
2017-07-20 01:54
#59
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Brazil maximoff66 
Yeah, they were in their best form with a complete, and when they got out in groups twice in a row with felps too xD
2017-07-20 04:19
VP since majors in 2016 eliminate SK all the time in playoffs. xD I think it's like 6 tournaments when SK got rekt by VP in BO3.
2017-07-20 10:54
#90
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Brazil maximoff66 
Oh yeah?After the major, when sk turn into shit with fnx and Lost some finals to cloud9 and NiP? Such a big Deal xD,again as a said,out of form,i think u might remember who eliminated the Polish in the majors when sk where good :D,.And no, It wasn't even close to 6 bo3,stop dreaming
2017-07-20 13:59
Bro. When majors in 2016 took place it was the least competitive time in 2016. Olof and Guardian injured, all teams were in slump. Liquid in final, Astralis with 2 stand-ins, VP very unlucky..
2017-07-20 14:00
#93
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Brazil maximoff66 
And what this have to do with sk x vp?
2017-07-20 14:03
That SK wasn't good when they won majors. Other teams were in worse form or going through hard times. When they get back to normal SK had nothing to say. SK right now is in way better form that they were in 2016. VP eliminated SK in EPICENTER playoffs, Eleague major in playoffs, DH LV in playoffs, ESL New York in playoffs. So it's 4-2 for VP right now in BO3's.
2017-07-20 14:27
#100
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Brazil maximoff66 
The discussion is not If SK where good, the discussion is that they were shit After major,only becoming good again when fallen fit felps in the system.Besides that, doesn't make any sense u say that sk weren't good at the majors because some others teams where bad lol,its no sk's fault.they were fighting head-to-head with fnatic before the majors, only losing in he details,such a shame what happened with olof
2017-07-20 14:36
#108
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Brazil Caet4no 
Sk will smash your Virtus.Premier.
2017-07-20 15:17
#8
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Poland Vams 
VP Champions! Sorry bro..
2017-07-20 01:32
#11
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Brazil Smartago 
vp is shit
2017-07-20 01:32
#12
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France Zetherion 
Maybe ! we will se !
2017-07-20 01:33
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHH
2017-07-20 01:49
#71
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Finland Jardeet 
Fox sucks and Portugal is mini Brazil
2017-07-20 11:20
#89
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Latvia Matematikis 
India, just stop. InDiA WiLL bE a SupEr PoWer bY 2020
2017-07-20 13:56
Does that means that i cant like another team? At least we have a similar blood... SK 3rd MAJOR win
2017-07-20 17:37
#57
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Sweden naturen 
LETS FKN GO VIRTUS PLOW
2017-07-20 02:58
#110
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Poland Vams 
YES! VP WIN ! VP PLOW BIG RIGHT?
2017-07-20 16:22
#122
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Sweden naturen 
YES
2017-07-21 04:02
hahahahahaha
2017-07-20 14:31
#111
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Poland Vams 
VP PLOW BIG EZ
2017-07-20 16:23
0/8
2017-07-20 16:24
#113
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Poland Vams 
hmm?
2017-07-20 16:25
#9
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Brazil Smartago 
Sk will win this major 100%
2017-07-20 01:32
#13
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France Zetherion 
I think too, not 100% but 90%
2017-07-20 01:33
VP can beat them all... with PGL backing em hahaha :D :P
2017-07-20 01:33
If they give them wh rofl
2017-07-20 01:35
haha
2017-07-20 02:43
i think g2 can do it .. from home
2017-07-20 01:34
#22
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France Zetherion 
unlikelly
2017-07-20 01:37
#18
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Germany lokkje 
Faze, SK, C9 should be happy that they had the pleasure to play BIG only on Inferno Wait what happens next
2017-07-20 01:34
#25
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Turkey SLendeRuLeZ 
Are you a believer?
2017-07-20 01:40
#19
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Norway KimZay 
it's heart breaking enough that faze are out. I just hope AST win against SK. and then it will be an ok major. the best final now. NORTH VS AST. Before the major I wanted SK VS FAZE in the finals or G2 VS FAZE. but now I just want any other team than the Brazilian squad to win.
2017-07-20 01:35
#21
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Brazil Henr1qu1n 
lol why?
2017-07-20 01:37
#26
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Hungary dream1ehu 
If your favorite team is already out you want to have fun while watching the tourney. If sk beat astralis there isnt really any1 to stop them so, it would be boring. Unless ofc vp goes into plow mode
2017-07-20 01:40
lmao the same with astralis. The winner of SK/AST will 2-0 the rest.
2017-07-20 01:44
#32
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Hungary dream1ehu 
I wouldnt be as sure as i would if sk won. Cold looks very gud rn, and whats strange sk playing seemingly legit, compared to ast or fnc
2017-07-20 01:46
Did we see the same Astralis?
2017-07-20 14:37
#24
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France Zetherion 
Why, SK is a great team, I hoped too for a final between G2 and SK (for me :p) because G2 is performing against SK but they have been bad in the group stage, like Faze, so now I hope for a final VP vs SK going good, and I don't care who win actually ^^
2017-07-20 01:39
i was hoping for a sk vs fnatic final (on semi now), but now a want a sk vs vp with the crowd fucking sk ears
2017-07-20 01:44
#38
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France Zetherion 
It will be so cool :D
2017-07-20 01:52
#23
felps | 
Brazil RhoX1337 
hahahahaha
2017-07-20 01:39
we could see two Br Teams in the final. lul
2017-07-20 01:41
#28
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France Zetherion 
It will never happen, IMT never had the level to face any good team, so in BO3 it will goes wrong for them and they will loose
2017-07-20 01:43
#43
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Brazil maximoff66 
Thats the thing, immortals wont be face any good teams before finals :D.Immortals has already beaten north and vp before, and the other one is BIG
2017-07-20 01:55
#47
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France Zetherion 
Ok, i doesn't know that, so we will see, I think they will not but i would be beautiful to have a brazilian derby at the end ^^
2017-07-20 01:58
#123
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Austria Adult_Hitter 
> , IMT never had the level to face any good team, so in BO3 it will goes wrong for them and they will loose LOOOOOL
2017-07-22 22:24
#126
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Portugal naskal 
oops didn't see who u replied to
2017-07-22 22:28
even if G2 and Faze would've gotten through SK would still win 90% now it's 99%
2017-07-20 01:46
#35
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France Zetherion 
I don't know because G2 against SK is most likely aa win of G2 (look the history) by that i don't say they are better but against SK is pretty balanced, Faze is rekting G2 all the time but against SK they are pretty bad, so whith those two teams it would have been better than now
2017-07-20 01:51
Tbh we can still see Virtus Pro that goes plow mode... Imo Snax in prime is better than coldzera in prime, because he's beast with pistols(mostly usp) and plays so fucking smart with AWP. If byali will have his day dinking headshots for terrorists, there's a chance, but of course big favourite is obviously SK. PS: Whoever has drawn match SK vs. Astralis in quarterfinals, he should hang himself, letting currently Top 2 teams eliminate each other in quarters...
2017-07-20 01:54
#37
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France Zetherion 
Yeah i'm thinking exactly like you, if Snax shows up it will be a great match And Astralis vs SK....
2017-07-20 01:52
#40
SaufS | 
Switzerland zulecsgo 
r u stupid? the final is the quarterfinal and its rigged... its supposed to be this way to guarantee vp a final at the major cuz its in krakow... the 2 best teams got fucked by idiot admins ... fuck this tournament you better dont watch any games so valve wont give the tournament to PGL.. and their headadmin pANDa which is from starladder.. a russian org... vp is russian, and guess what team has the fucking easy bracket? you're right...
2017-07-20 01:53
#45
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Brazil maximoff66 
Why would they put Sk x astralis in quarters tho? Make it the semis lol.
2017-07-20 01:56
#48
SaufS | 
Switzerland zulecsgo 
cuz they are retards.. 100% rigged.. why isnt astralis or sk in the lower part of the bracket.. just 1 of these 2 teams and the bracket would have been bad for the upper part but still ''ok'' .. now its just a shame... when i write about this on reddit they delete it instantly... guess why? they want no drama.. fuck pgl, im not watching a single game left
2017-07-20 01:59
#72
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Finland Jardeet 
It's seeded frm groups so SK was 3-1 playing Astralis from 3-2 Just unlucky draw for it
2017-07-20 11:23
astralis went 3-1
2017-07-21 03:50
#46
SaufS | 
Switzerland zulecsgo 
funfact.. when you call them out on reddit (official thread about the drawings) it gets deleted within seconds :D panda you faggot i hope you read this... i never supported north but i hope they kick vp out of the tourney on friday...
2017-07-20 01:57
#49
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France Zetherion 
We will see, I like VP so idk
2017-07-20 02:00
#51
SaufS | 
Switzerland zulecsgo 
doesnt matter if i like them or not, its just unreal ... everytime i look at the brackets i puke
2017-07-20 02:14
#44
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Poland Hell2k 
Only VP like always
2017-07-20 01:55
#50
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Brazil boiadeiroding 
People are underestimating the astralis the last BO3 between the two was 2-1 . Ast 16-12 SK (overpass) / Ast 14- 16 SK (Mirage) / Ast 12- 16 SK (Inferno) was hard!
2017-07-20 02:02
#52
SaufS | 
Switzerland zulecsgo 
im astralis fan and im not scared of facing SK... im just pissed about the brackets... ill give you a info thats probably important... PGL Krakow headadmin is @SLTVpANDa (twitter) and he is from starladder (russian)... PGL Major is in poland ... vp cs is polish so they get the most viewers obviously... + pANDa is russian from SLTV... VP Org is Russian aswell... now check the brackets ;D
2017-07-20 02:17
#53
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Brazil PrettyMuchIt 
G2 wouldn't beat them as well, people just gotta accept EPL was one thing only, ever.
2017-07-20 02:16
#54
SaufS | 
Switzerland zulecsgo 
chill... its about the brackets being rigged.. im astralis fan, but i think SK is gonna win this game... its just about PGL headadmin being russian from starladder.. friend of VP, and now check the brackets... tell me its not rigged? fuck pgl and dont watch the games anymore
2017-07-20 02:19
#58
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Brazil SUVAKO 
Sk is favored, but it wouldn't be a surprise to see astralis winning the major
2017-07-20 03:01
#60
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Sweden EnAiPi 
Astralis have a better chance to beat SK than VP, anyone who doesn't think so is biased
2017-07-20 04:27
#73
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Finland Jardeet 
>anyone who doesn't think so is biased hahahaha Thats not how the world works People don't agree with your opinion means they're biased? You sound like a feminist
2017-07-20 11:27
He's right
2017-07-20 14:52
#62
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Brazil xxSync 
I think the only team that can beat SK in BO3 is G2, and G2 is out unfortunately, It would be a good final...
2017-07-20 10:41
#115
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France Zetherion 
I think this too, i'm a G2 fan so i'm not really objective but with this bracket i could see G2 going to the fianl, but it's okay I guess .. ^^
2017-07-20 20:30
#64
United Kingdom JME_ 
VP is like SK's Kryptonite. However, I feel like SK would beat them simply through form and skill, VP just don't seem to have it in them to overcome this SK.
2017-07-20 10:49
#66
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Germany r4jzN 
trust me BIG can win if one of the maps is Inferno
2017-07-20 10:59
I think Fnatic can have a chance to do this. Fnatic usually is a team that starts very slow and low and gradually becomes better and better the longer the tournaments go. And they have the most experience out of all teams here since they have NEVER missed out any Legends spots before. Plus that they are the masters of comeback. If there are any teams that are going 1-14 and can still comeback to win 16-14, then it's gotta be Fnatic.
2017-07-20 11:02
#69
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Croatia mds818 
2017-07-20 11:07
#68
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Croatia mds818 
BIG can beat them in BO1 but can them beat them in best of 3...?>maybe,certainly not easy obviously but it is possible,if they get cache,mirage cobble and inferno(3/4 those maps obv) they can beat them,if they fuck up map pool probably not Gambit has not the skill base and the experience to rivalise w/ them>i dont see gambit beating fnc in first place,they met 2 times in majors both times got rekt af Fnatic can shine but cannot defeat hem>indeed,they got the firepower but the question is do they have the map pool and the way to stay calm? Astralis era is over and they can steal a map but not 2..>meh i wouldn't nessesary count on it,they got a shot but its like 40/60 North is north>wont be able to do it VP is the outsider, I don't see them win against Sk but w/ a little bit of luck and God Snax they can make it. i think.>they can beat sk without a doubt Immortals. nothing to say.>they can't the one thing which you have forgotten is that sk relied on cold to get 35 kills to win the match...that kind of performance won't lead them anywhere far,so perhaps sk is the clear favorite but other players need to show up aswell
2017-07-20 11:05
#76
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France Zetherion 
Sure, but even godzera, Fallen is excellent, fer is also excellent, I'm happy that you agree for the most of my description with the team against Sk, indeed BIG can go far but I really don't see them winning the major sorry :c
2017-07-20 13:42
#78
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Croatia mds818 
im not seeing them winning the major either,but as said...none of the remaining teams are in 100 percent, north being shit with aizy,fnc not knowing map pool,astralis skipping a lot of tournaments+device's performance is questionable due to furneal,gambit always gets rekt by fnc in qf,sk having only cold...in normal world you'd say that sk/ast are the clear cut favorites,but rn anyone beside imt and gambit got a chance to win the major imo
2017-07-20 13:45
#84
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France Zetherion 
I see, but Fnc are struggling rn, they won aggainst G2 in the last match but G2 is not G2 in this tournament, I don't saw them winning the major but it would be incredible I know
2017-07-20 13:53
#85
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Croatia mds818 
ik but as said..fnc vs sk=35 chance for fnc,fnc vs big=2 1 fnc,fnc vs vp=99999 overtimes
2017-07-20 13:54
#86
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France Zetherion 
yeah this is the plan x)
2017-07-20 13:55
BIG can beat them in BO1 but can them beat them in best of 3...?
2017-07-20 11:09
#75
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Spain Arzheus 
Astralis didnt have era btw
2017-07-20 11:38
#79
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Turkey Bamfitz 
no
2017-07-20 13:47
eZ FnaTiC
2017-07-20 13:48
SK is EZ4Tabsen.
2017-07-20 13:49
Astralis and Fnatic can beat them as well.
2017-07-20 13:50
#83
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Philippines XIII37 
The only way SK will lose is if they make dumb mistakes
2017-07-20 13:51
not quite. SK is favorit, but its far from a done deal. Biggest challengers will be VP and Astralis (VP in front of homecrowd and with long long history of coming back out of slumps in big tournaments, Astralis still has some tricks up their sleves as well I am sure). And with fnatic... I am just never sure what I get watching them... I give SK a 45% chance to win.
2017-07-20 13:55
And yes - BIG won't beat them in a BO3
2017-07-20 13:56
#91
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France Zetherion 
This is interresting but I'm obliged to say that SK has 60% of winning this major Because Fnatic absent map pool Astralis w/ a budget dev1ce not going mad and do is magician stuff Gambit because i don't see them, i don't have argument VP is the 30%, the little chance in this major North, aizy is shit and without konfig this team is not even in top 20 BIG bc i just see how they deal w/ Inferno, nothing other IMT is a budget SK
2017-07-20 13:59
smart guy
2017-07-20 14:29
#116
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France Zetherion 
thanks
2017-07-20 20:31
The only thing that can take the trophy from SK are themselves in a bad day.
2017-07-20 14:30
I have a feeling ( don't hate me BR fans ) that SK will beat Astralis and lose 1/2 to Gambit. Just a hunch
2017-07-20 14:31
Big can smash SK, VP will smash SK,fnatic will smash SK but first SK gotta pass Astralis which won't happen.
2017-07-20 15:01
#104
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Brazil HybrixD 
You forgot to say that unicorns exist.
2017-07-20 15:08
2017-07-20 15:09
#109
zAAz | 
Algeria baybOo25 
what about this wmpics.pics/di-KUI7.jpg welcom to gold =)
2017-07-20 15:25
#117
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France Zetherion 
I put the exact same prediction lul
2017-07-20 20:32
imgur.com/a/jqHH9 Almost the same, but i believe IMT wil beat BIG. It´s a bit hard tho, to be honest i don´t know BIG game very well so let´s see what they can bring to arena.
2017-07-20 21:18
Fnatic Vp and Astralis have what it takes to beat SK on a bO3.
2017-07-20 20:35
#119
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France Zetherion 
Yeah but SK is still better
2017-07-20 20:39
Immortals xD
2017-07-22 22:25
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