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Swiss ruined Majors
Sweden ThorinEk 
Just look at the legend teams. Its outrageous. Not saying change cant happen but most of these teams are just there because of the Swiss format. Otherwise, G2, Faze, Navi would be there instead.
2017-07-20 13:36
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g2 and navi = trash faze = bad luck
2017-07-20 13:38
g2 is thresh? nt Happy
2017-07-20 13:39
BnTeT | 
Netherlands TEEZY 
" t r e s h "
2017-07-20 13:51
JUGi | 
Germany Triggered 
" t r a s h "
2017-07-20 14:03
Portugal Wazaq 
" t r e s h "
2017-07-20 14:27
BnTeT | 
Netherlands TEEZY 
no shit, answer that to him
2017-07-20 17:51
he actually wrote thresh.. making it even worse..
2017-07-20 14:06
BnTeT | 
Netherlands TEEZY 
"he actually wrote tresh" uhm YES I KNOW THANKS FOR THAT INFORMATION!11!1!11!
2017-07-20 17:52
World 8ttio7uan 
Thresh not tresh dis guy is dumb ^^ xD
2017-07-20 18:39
BnTeT | 
Netherlands TEEZY 
holy shit i didn't even notice, thanks my man!
2017-07-20 18:59
Denmark U w0t m8? 
it's true tho
2017-07-20 16:59
'Bad luck' It's bad luck that they lose 51 rounds over 3 days to 'flipside tactics' BIG and mouz?
2017-07-20 13:41
i mean I didnt watched the mouz/flipside game but against big they only lost cuz they suffered the bug jump lmao, big used it so heavily it seemed like pure wh
2017-07-20 14:04
then watch the other games and you will see faze didnt deserve the legend spot
2017-07-20 14:20
Other way around g2 and navi = bad luck faze = trash
2017-07-20 15:44
2017-07-20 15:52
2017-07-20 17:44
NaVi - absolutely bad , especially at this event (except s1mple) G2 - they are good but at the same time very inconsistent by looking at their matches , every player had a good run or a bad run FaZe - definetely no excuse for them due to their picks
2017-07-20 17:51
faze 0-3 . and you are blaming just swiss format ?
2017-07-20 13:38
they lost flipside, mouz and big No matter the format they would have been eliminated anyway xD
2017-07-20 14:04
Brazil wAc 
they would never lose a elimination best of 3 to any of these teams, 0 % chance
2017-07-20 15:45
with the old group format you can lose 2 bo1s in a row and be out in groups :D only if you win 1 bo1 and lose 1 you get into the decider bo3. So no matter what faze wouldnt even made it into the bo3 game :DDD
2017-07-20 15:48
Brazil wAc 
i'm not defending the old major format, this one is better than that, but still sucks...
2017-07-20 18:40
Brazil wAc 
and they are using 8 days for the event, if they wanted to make every elimination match bo3 they could
2017-07-20 18:41
Swiss is also too random and kinda complicated to watch, groups were so much more clear and fun to watch.
2017-07-20 13:45
+ first time I agree with a BR
2017-07-20 14:04
how is counting to 3 complicated to you? or is it true what they talk about brazil in HLTV
2017-07-20 14:04
yes its complicated cuz you never know who ur going to play next and its totally random any team can play with the same team again, i got confused sometimes and its not only counting to 3, you can have a 3-2 score and boom then you have to count to 5
2017-07-20 14:06
one win, two wins, three wins -> to the main event one loss, two losses, three losses -> go home meanwhile with groups it is always weird situations people counting rounds or some who won who shit
2017-07-20 14:12
Finland Slyp3 
Not in gsl format. And teams are more prepared as they know who they are playing against many weeks earlier
2017-07-20 14:21
well there is multiple ways to prepare, personally i appriciate more coming up with new stuff and reading ur opponents on the fly, rather than anti-stratting them beforehand.
2017-07-20 14:26
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Poland W0JT4Z 
"any team can play with the same team again" NOPE HE CAN'T for example Vp played vs fnatic, then where both teams had 2-2 VP couldn't play vs fnatic again so learn rules first then talk
2017-07-20 14:28
You don't p)qy the same team twice in Swiss format.
2017-07-20 15:43
complicated kek
2017-07-20 14:05
Leave out FAZE there... 0-3 is not the fault of SWISS format. And I saw the same complaints with groups in earlier majors ("Groups of death", Too easy groups...) No system is perfect. But a clan that deserves to be in the playoffs SHOULD be able to get more than 50% of the maps in 5 games. If they can't they don't deserve legend spots. And yes I know they had some tough draws - but thats the thing. No system is perfect. If you draw 3 top teams in a group (or 4 like we had in one major), then its shit as well
2017-07-20 13:46
actually i think it's more fair that all top seeds are in danger from the start compared to group of death when one of 3 is guranteed to go home and the rest of top 8 seeds have it easy. this way the current form really decides not your seeding or luck
2017-07-20 14:17
well I have to disagree with that. Luck still plays a role here since you can hit it easy like e.g. SK who only had Astralis as Top team against them (even though they lost to BIG), or you can get hit hard like e.g. Fnatic who had VP, Navi, G2, Astralis against them (and Flipside).
2017-07-20 14:53
Still, they are playing against the teams that lost the previous games. Is Big stronger than Faze? Probably not, but were performing better, so they are the more difficult opponent on this tournament.
2017-07-20 17:43
all teams outside vega were competive enough that drawing faze as opponent in this tournament could be considered lucky with their current form. i see where u coming from but this is not 2014 where u knew the finalist before the tournament started.
2017-07-20 18:21
Poland BuIbo 
Faze were playing 3 maps like shit why would they be in?
2017-07-20 13:47
Sweden Dukwooo 
"look at the legend teams" and mention G2 xDDDD Na'Vi is crap and have been crap since Zeus got kicked nothing with swiss format. Faze did not perform as expected they even lost to Flipsid3 nothing with swiss format. G2 is crap and were not a legend team and have nothing to do with swiss format
2017-07-20 13:48
navi are shit
2017-07-20 13:48
Philippines XIII37 
The only thing that the swiss format lacks is a BO3 in the "groupstage". If we have at least one BO3 for the elimination matches, it'd be a lot better.
2017-07-20 13:53
I'd like bo3 for elimination and legend status.
2017-07-20 15:45
Other khorkalba 
The only thing "ruining" the major is all of the delays and downtime. Aside from that it's already one of the most exciting majors yet. Teams like Faze, Navi and G2 only have themselves to blame for not progressing. The system didn't screw them over - they all underperformed and weren't as good as the teams that advanced. If you actually watched the matches you would know this. Instead it seems like you're just looking at the team names and getting salty because some of the biggest names didn't make it.
2017-07-20 13:53
France ponche 
2017-07-20 13:57
2017-07-20 14:01
+1 and the fnatic - vp final will be great
2017-07-20 14:34
Puls3 | 
World bigb1rd 
I can't see how anyone is even questioning this. People keep suggesting 'Tier 3 teams get through on luck' etc but Big beat 3 of the top 4 teams in the world.... At the opposite end Faze played really badly and lost to 3 teams they should normally have beaten. If you can't win 3 games in 5 chances then you're probably not one of the best in the world and probably don't deserve your Legends spot. I think it's a great format for keeping viewer interest and creating exciting unexpected match-ups. It also challenges the teams more as they can't just research heavily the 2 or 3 favourites in their group and anti-trade them. They have to adapt and learn to play everyone.
2017-07-20 15:24
Belarus sporim5tyshch 
G2 2-3 because they playing so bad for T side, G2 win only 3 round for T against Na'Vi, 1 round for T against Gambit so this team doesn't deserve to exit in playoffs. Losers go home and rightly so.
2017-07-20 14:01
The thing is that G2 can probably beat any of those teams quite easily in a B03, and regardimg T side those maps were(overpass) is ct baised map, and against gambit it was frustrating for G2 as their game style was completely opposite to that of G2s, always moving at the last moment possible whereas G2 always go for aggressive pushes, and against C9 the game was close because C9 prepared for G2 on that map and was anti strating G2, In a BO1 you always play your game style and dont prepare for enemy's teams strat, and they might have a game style which completely wrecks yours, and you will realise that in mid rounds and have to evolve the plan accordingly but for G2 they cant seem to do that!
2017-07-20 14:35
"against gambit it was frustrating for G2 as their game style was completely opposite to that of G2s" It is not an excuse since SKs style is similar to Gambits style and G2 beat SK in like 6 to 10 matchs.
2017-07-20 18:49
Yeah SK always waits for the last moment to attack a bomb site! SK is you fav team but i dont think you have seen any of their matches my friend!
2017-07-21 05:24
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Sweden peterrrr10 
underperforming "top" teams ruined it
2017-07-20 14:02
For reference. Group c had 4 of the top 5 teams at the time. Group a had teams ranked 9 through 12. Swiss system has issues, but not being locked in groups is much better than gsl.
2017-07-20 15:48
I mean that G2 and FaZe could get to a group with SK and fnatic and end up losing just like at ESL Cologne 2016. But I also think that the swiss system should be changed a bit, e.g. 4 wins to proceed, 4 losses to get eliminated. I don't know how it will be in terms of teams number, may be it fucks everything up - I don't know, but 3 losses for elimination, although being better than just 2 in double-elimination groups, is anyway fucked up. Or may be they should make teams that went 2-2 play a separate group, 6 teams play each other in bo1 and 3 of the highest placed after 5 matches make it to the playoffs. I don't know, something like this. Surely Immortals would not make it, while G2 would most likely proceed to the quarters.
2017-07-20 15:57
whats wrong with the legends? SK Astralis VP Fnatic north Big imt gambit navi and faze lost their legends spot by losing to G2 IMT and Fnatic and faze losing to f3 mouz and BIG if u wanna be legends u should be able to win against def not t1 teams like big imt and f3. the only team that maybe did not fully deserve it as they had a pretty easy road was immortals. but even they almost won against astralis and had to play sk as well, but got f3 and vega and navi which are trash as draws.
2017-07-20 14:06
Brazil erfur 
Pretty easy???? SK, Astralis and NaVi??? #1, #3 and #7 of the ranking.... immortals deserved yes....
2017-07-20 15:06
what i mean with easy is that they played 2 of the worst teams in the major f3 and vega and navi who is shit rn..
2017-07-20 16:48
Puls3 | 
World bigb1rd 
North had an easier route didn't they? Barely beat mouz and VP, beat PENTA and lost to C9. Not very impressive but to be honest I thought they looked good in their last two games and still deserve the spot, and I don't really like them at all. Other than I agree with you and think all the whining and moaning is hilarious and uncalled for. Sure I'd love to see playoffs with Na'Vi, Faze, G2, NiP etc but these teams didn't play well enough. At all. Faze sucked and navi have never hit their potential. Instead we have BIG (who look fucking awesome) and IMT who are really exciting to watch. And then gambit who are just much better than a lot of people think and surprisingly consistent. And AdreN is up there with cold and tabsen as best player in the playoffs at the moment. It's all good.
2017-07-20 15:34
the only thing ruining this majors are constant threads about bug clan and how swiss format suck cuz your fav teams didnt make it through. If you cant win 3 out of 5 you dont deserve the legend spot. Navi played bad like they did for ages. Faze didnt even won 1 game, losing against big, mouz and flipside. Means they lost against 2 other teams who didnt made it aswell (mouz, flipside). So they defo do not deserve it. g2 might have had a hard match up, but i still think winning 3 of these match ups was completly possible.
2017-07-20 14:11
2017-07-20 16:50
Finland kappaboi 
swiss isn't problem, bo1 is problem. Bo3 swiss would be nice
2017-07-20 14:18
bo3 swiss would take like 2 weeks to play
2017-07-20 14:22
Finland kappaboi 
yeah, or just play like 2-3 matches same time and it wouldn't take that much time
2017-07-20 14:23
the best format is gsl and for ever it will be the best format
2017-07-20 14:27
Winning 2 bo1 for oegend is never a good idea.
2017-07-20 15:51
ye losing 2 bo1s and be straight out of the major is really great
2017-07-20 16:55
This would mean 3 games a day like quarter finals and they played 33 games now. So just 11 days of swiss to get out of the group :) Little too long.
2017-07-20 14:24
Just have 2 streams.
2017-07-20 15:52
Hungary Envo. 
2 weeks for groupstage?
2017-07-20 14:29
Yes if there would be BO3 swiss.
2017-07-20 14:30
swiss system is shit because 1 upset can fuck so many teams. Imagine if it was GSL format, no fucking awy BIG or IMMORTALS would make it, even North would not make it
2017-07-20 14:22
Why not? GSL system: 1. Big wins Faze 2. Big wins C9 ;) Both games BO1 Could be this kind of group easy. Immportals: 1. Lose against Astralis 2. Win against Vega 3. NaVi BO3 (they could win)
2017-07-20 14:28
faze, sk, big, flipside in group. -> its a fair group since you have 2 legend teams and 2 underdogs big vs faze bo1 -> big win like they did in major sk vs flipside bo1 -> sk win faze vs flipside bo1 -> flipside win like they did in major -> faze eliminated by losing 2 bo1s big vs sk bo1 -> big can win like seen in major -> big legend spot sk vs flipside bo3 -> sk win and secure a legend spot also conclusion: a lot of hltv threads how much gsl suck cuz faze got eliminated by just losing 2 bo1s and big proceeding by just winning 2 bo1s.
2017-07-20 17:02
JW | 
Sweden peterrrr10 
m0mmy the world isnt fair :(((((((((((
2017-07-20 14:25
+1 exactly what I thought. thank mr kötbullar
2017-07-20 14:28
Sorryyyyy :(
2017-07-20 14:27
why are you doing this medic? stop ruining the majors! :(
2017-07-20 14:28
I was not know this details! :(
2017-07-20 14:43
swiss system best system all noobs depleted already gg ez.
2017-07-20 14:29
no it didn't. if your team can't beat the best then how can they win the major, bo1 or not. the only "legend" team thats a shock is big, and they went 3-0. if they play groups then you complain about how this group is shit or that group is stack if its swiss you complain about bo1 and playing tough teams. just stfu and watch the fucking games.
2017-07-20 14:32
France yvo 
The problem is not swiss format but bo1 ... i hate bo1 TT
2017-07-20 14:33
Fucking medkits
2017-07-20 15:08
chucky | 
Brunei aspexo 
0-3 for faze is not the fault of SWISS format and g2/navi sucks major dick especially gandon2
2017-07-20 15:32
zAAz | 
Algeria baybOo25 how to get gold =)
2017-07-20 15:38
JW | 
Sweden peterrrr10 
more like FaZe 0-3 ruined it and karrigan nailed it : "0-3. Sorry to all fans. No words, no excuses, we simply played like a bag of potatoes all tournament. We sucked."
2017-07-20 15:40
Sweden Nuggeet 
g2 navi lost to best team in world, its not their fault, they are just not at the same level
2017-07-20 15:41
Swiss does not ruin anything.
2017-07-20 15:44
How can you blame Swiss format when FaZe lost to teams like FlipSid3, Mousesports and Big? In otherwords, "Let FaZe face random tier 3 teams so they can easy qualify... oh wait, they can't even beat F3."
2017-07-20 15:47
Also where is NiP? This is a disaster.
2017-07-20 15:52
faze without niko doing always 30 kills is nothing sorry
2017-07-20 15:53
Norway Bellai 
faze played like total shit they deserve 0-3 imo
2017-07-20 15:59
Finland jayss 
NaVi and Cloud9 played amazing
2017-07-20 16:00
Faze lost to big,mouz and f3...:DDDDDDDDDDD MADE MY F****** DAY blind and biased fanboys like you
2017-07-20 16:02
Denmark U w0t m8? 
You know it was easier for underdogs to get a playoff spot in the old format, you only had to win two games back then. ps. you're an idiot, and I don't approve of your opinion
2017-07-20 16:59
if g2 navi and faze failed to get 3 wins thats their fault not the format AND IM 100% SURE THAT IF G2 NAVI AND FAZE GOT THROUGH NONE OF YOU KIDS WOULD BE CRYING
2017-07-20 18:34
Switch between formats every other major. or at least have set-formats per organiser.
2017-07-20 18:36
It's not swiss system fault. g2 navi faze just suck
2017-07-20 19:02
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