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when is SK kicking taco?
Yugoslavia autismatic 
I mean, its pretty clear to me that SK cant afford to play 4v5 every game anymore Fallen was getting absolutely destroyed by device every single round this game and taco still managed to frag less than him, despite being able to survive more rounds and for longer This guy is probably by far the worst player in a tier1 team, has literally no impact and literally ANY other player could do his job (and probably better than him)
2017-07-22 02:30
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You're clearly new to CS:GO. Log out from your hltv account for a while and go watch some more pro games.
2017-07-22 02:31
878k userid, nice but since im open to a discussion, why do you think taco isnt an easily replaceable player?
2017-07-22 02:33
I have no idea what 878k userid means but whatever. And no, I'm not willing to have a discussion with : > someone who judges me by whatever '' 878k userid '' means > someone who calls a PRO player from the top 1 team a '' BOT '' > someone who has yugoslavia in their flag > someone who baits on hltv go watch some more pro games, try watching taco's pov more often, specially on the t side. ;)
2017-07-22 02:41
878k id means you are really new user, infact your acc has been made on 2017-05-05 and his on 2014-07-07
2017-07-22 02:47
I had an older hltv account before the 13 year olds came here to bait and let their anger out, but just forgot the password.
2017-07-22 02:49
and you did not know your userid? 0/10 b8
2017-07-22 02:49
xD this guy probably started watching cs this year and thinks he knows what hes talking about
2017-07-22 02:51
#24
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Europe Vallon 
From the way he talks, yep.
2017-07-22 02:54
Soo now you can tell if someone's new to the cs scene or not by the way they talk ? uau, i feel so bad for you ...
2017-07-22 02:57
i didn't know my userid because it was irrelevant lol . nt though, keep baiting 10 y old kids on this website.
2017-07-22 02:56
#72
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Portugal kippster 
Stfu you're clueless
2017-07-22 05:28
Arguments ?
2017-07-22 05:30
#75
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Portugal kippster 
> someone who judges me by whatever '' 878k userid '' means > someone who calls a PRO player from the top 1 team a '' BOT '' > someone who has yugoslavia in their flag > someone who baits on hltv All of those imply how clueless you are lmao, judging someone for their flag and not knowing what userid means for example. Also stating that giving an opinion is baiting on hltv? What drugs are you on
2017-07-22 05:32
In case you really are that dumb, the flag one was a joke. And userid is irrelevant for someone who's just here to have real discussions with people who know cs:go. And I would bet money on he didn't open the thread to give his opinion, I can recognize a bait when I see one ;)
2017-07-22 05:37
#78
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Portugal kippster 
Then your recon skills are just pure shit and I shouldn't even be trying to reason with someone like you. Have a good sir, day.
2017-07-22 05:39
When you're low on arguments and quit the discussion. I understand you :)
2017-07-22 05:41
#81
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Portugal kippster 
Alright I was about to leave but after reading this I had to laugh a bit. Literally the only argument you presented in order to prove your point ( can't really be considered one ) was that TACO is a pro player in a tier 1 team, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with him being bad or not but you CAN'T call that a valid argument lmao
2017-07-22 05:45
That was from a discussion with a different person (??) Man you should have some sleep, you really sound like you're mentally tired, or you're just dumb.
2017-07-22 05:47
#85
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Portugal kippster 
Your IQ must be so low that you can't even connect the dots from a thread that you answered to to our little "conversation". I explained how clueless you were by the lack of argumentation that you showed and that lead to pointless 0 argument insults like these, if you're trolling tho I must give you a 6/8 bait considering the effort you put into it
2017-07-22 05:50
tl;dr at this point you're just making me feel embarassed for having the same flag as you. gl getting employee at the month at mcdonalds, go get my fries. ;)
2017-07-22 05:54
#90
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Portugal kippster 
Funny considering you're probably 12 or 13 and you're on hltv because you think you can actually discuss things with people here. NT tho, good day to you
2017-07-22 05:59
Funny considering you're probably 12 or 13 and you're on hltv because you think you can actually discuss things with people on hltv. NT tho, good day to you
2017-07-22 05:59
this is the greatest roast ive ever seen
2017-07-22 05:05
Are you familiar with term "lurker" that refers to users who don't actively participate in discussions (they often aren't registered for many years), but browse forums often and are a part of certain communities (almost) since their formation? Watch, you may be ridiculed one like that.
2017-07-22 03:01
I like how youre all deviating from the argument by talking about an irrelevant subject. The only reason i mentioned his userid was because he said i was new to csgo, which is not correct since my account was created in 2014 and thats not even my first one.
2017-07-22 03:03
I brought it up as "experience" seems important to you and now you seem to back out of it? Hmmm. Account id is irrelevant. I would not be surprised if there were people younger who have less experience counted in years but know more and have more skill than you. Don't make a big deal of things bro, it's just a game. You are not competing on a professional level. Why isn't taco a person to be replaced? Because he seems to be good friend of cold's apparently? So you know, in theory everyone can be replaced, but reality has been different for so long. Can you change SK's stance on that? I doubt. Can community do this? More likely.
2017-07-22 03:07
fnx was great friends with everyone in the team (especially fallen) and still got kicked, lol also, cold already left taco once i cant see why he couldnt do it again
2017-07-22 03:08
Clearly FNX went too far. Who knows what relationship cold and taco have, maybe cold wanted to bring him on the team asap?
2017-07-22 03:13
And taco clearly isnt going far at all. Idk about their relationship but i cant imagine a friendship so good that you allow your "friend" to destroy your dreams by being incompetent at what he does. At this point you really need to think, is taco really cold's friend? Because he clearly sees hes holding cold and the team back and if they dont want to kick him because of their friendship, then taco should just step down kinda like fifflaren did, but maybe hes is too egoistic to do that.
2017-07-22 03:19
I don't really check players' stats. I don't do research. I don't analyze what numbers is he putting in favour of the team. I am not blind though and I do see that indeed loses when is holding a site or when he is last. On the other hand he has nice moments and he is definitely in the shadow of Cold, Fallen and Fer (there 3 are just sick). The question is now - can't he shine because these 3 do the most of the job or maybe he is just a weak link? I don't know how far friendship can reach. Possibly pretty far. You have a point that maybe he should step down in order not to drag cold's team's performance down, but people are selfish and are prone to take advantage of others. Maybe they are just fine with the fact they are making up for his lack of form?
2017-07-22 03:28
They wont be making up for his terrible form for much longer, at that point i expect to see him to step down or getting kicked. This major clearly showed SK cant afford to play 4v5 anymore, not vs top tier teams at least. He has space to shine, especially in hard games when fallen or cold are getting their ass handed to them (like today vs astralis) but he still never does it.
2017-07-22 03:38
taco and cold are best friends, but thats not why hes not kicked, hes not kicked cuz hes good, stats dont show all , if you take taco off and put s1mple for example, hes "alot better" than taco right ? but he could destroy the team dynamic, as i problably think thats what happend with navi ...
2017-07-22 05:45
because s1mple and taco are completely different players? lol im sure there are a lot of "role players" that could do a better job compared to him while still doing what the team needs
2017-07-22 05:54
So your user ID # is better? Please.
2017-07-22 03:20
never claimed such thing
2017-07-22 03:23
You acted like a prick on someone's user id #, i guess your eyes dropped down when you saw mine? Tolerance is what you people lack.
2017-07-22 03:24
#30
2017-07-22 03:25
#4
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Serbia ravi0ll1 
nt Taco
2017-07-22 02:32
by the way, im far from being a SK fan. I just like watching good counter-strike and its very sad to see 4 good players being dragged down by a bot
2017-07-22 02:32
#84
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United States pieceofpi 
You clearly know nothing of roles in a team. Just look at North. Aizy is by far a superior fragger to rubino, yet their performances and team play have dropped off considerably. Just because someone is more skilled per se doesn't mean they would fit the team better.
2017-07-22 05:49
What im saying is a lot of players could perform way better than taco while still doing the same job for the team as taco does. Read #53
2017-07-22 05:53
#89
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United States pieceofpi 
Doubt it. Speaking of there being "so many people who could do his job better," who would you suggest?
2017-07-22 05:57
Never. Only if they become a nip
2017-07-22 02:33
Probably never. Coldzera needs bait to boost his hltv stats.
2017-07-22 02:34
lulululululul
2017-07-22 03:17
#7
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Brazil Heus 
i ask myself everyday when i see him playing
2017-07-22 02:35
never
2017-07-22 02:36
#9
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United States Ronaldofanboy 
-taco +burrito
2017-07-22 02:37
#21
Europe Ark- 
best comment of the day
2017-07-22 02:52
goood one
2017-07-22 05:33
coldzera bitch, LEM aim
2017-07-22 02:38
Back in the day in Brazil Taco have begged to Cold dont give-up of csgo. So Coldzera will never let Fallen drop him...
2017-07-22 02:39
cold played on a team with taco and left to join luminosity by himself... if they were so close they would never do that, like hen1 and lucas1
2017-07-22 02:50
Not the same thing. Leave the team for a better one has no damage implied. Kick the person who is the reason you didnt give-up in the past = BIG (means dirty player)
2017-07-22 02:59
well i mean taco might be the reason he didnt gave up in the past but might as well be the reason for him to give up now then, since hes now stuck with this bot on his team and cant kick him because of their friendship i guess
2017-07-22 03:05
#74
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Portugal kippster 
"means dirty player", shouldn't you say "Coldzera" or "Hen1" instead?
2017-07-22 05:30
he are an best
2017-07-22 02:42
#14
BOOBIE | 
Finland awilow 
he sucks.
2017-07-22 02:44
-Taco +anyone make it happen
2017-07-22 02:50
To be honest, thats when you know SK is on form, because taco is botting
2017-07-22 02:52
TACO GO BACK TO FAVELA
2017-07-22 02:53
#26
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United States Mattchew 
Taco should be the first player on SK to get kicked if there ever needs a change. The only problem is that he is a part of the team's chemistry and has always been, playing without him might feel different for the other players like cold or fallen who have been beside him for a long time.
2017-07-22 02:57
Fnx and FalleN always played together until SK last year when fnx was kicked, and SK has improved since then Then it means that it does not influence anything
2017-07-22 03:04
#65
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United States Mattchew 
You've got a very good point there. Who knows though maybe kicking him could have a different outcome...or not, we wouldn't know unless it happened.
2017-07-22 04:52
#35
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Philippines XIII37 
TACO has a bad series and everyone is screaming for him to get removed. Lmfao, i thought you SK whores were a little better than that
2017-07-22 03:09
are you watching the same tournaments as i am? If youre not, welcome to the reality heres a picture of it hltv.org/stats/players/matches/9217/TACO
2017-07-22 03:14
#41
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Philippines XIII37 
I am. But blaming the bottom-fragger every time a team loses is just so typical of CS fans of any team. TACO has never been a good fragger, because that's not his job. I can only remember one tournament where he fragged pretty well and that was when they were still with Luminosity back before they won MLG Columbus (forgot the name of the tournament). If you're pissed because SK lost, then blame FalleN and coldzera. FalleN got destroyed by device (especially in overpass), and coldzera played nowhere near his usual form. Stats don't always tell the whole story. If I own a football team, I'm not going to replace my goalie/defender after losing a game where my strikers/forwards clearly didn't play well.
2017-07-22 03:21
Can you enlighten me and explain what is his job then?
2017-07-22 03:22
#62
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Philippines XIII37 
On paper he's an "entry fragger", but a different kind. His main job, from what I've been able to see since their days in LG, is to gather information, not necessarily get opening kills. He goes in first and relays all the info to guys like fer and cold so they can get the frag/trade him if he dies.
2017-07-22 04:37
So his job as T is to literally just die and tell his team where the other team is? Why couldnt any other player do that while also fragging? And what about his CT side? Because hes pretty bad on ct too
2017-07-22 15:15
#100
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Philippines XIII37 
Why couldn't any other player relay information like he can? Oh I don't know, because not every other CS pro speaks portuguese and has great synergy with the rest of SK? And he's "just dying"? Coldzera will not be half the player he is now without TACO setting him up. I'm not a big fan of TACO myself, but he is a really valuable player for SK. Do you think every support player has to be like NBK/Krimz/Xyp9x? If you do then that's just stupid. Name me one other support player who can play well in SK and frag consistently. Or better yet, name me a lineup in CS GO HISTORY that had EVERY player drop 20 kills every other map. In maps like overpass and cache (especially overpass), SK rely on TACO for map control/info. That has been the case since late 2015 when they got cold. Stop blaming TACO and start looking back at how cold and fallen played. Fallen got DESTROYED and cold didn't show up against Astralis. No matter how well TACO sets them up, if his teammates don't get the frag, then nothing's going to happen. You're hating on the guy that did what he could do and giving a pass to the others that were SUPPOSED to get the job done.
2017-07-22 16:39
Im obviously talking about players that speak portuguese, how dense are you? lol > Name me one other support player who can play well in SK and frag consistently. as i mentioned countless of times on this thread already, boltz
2017-07-22 17:44
mad cuz bet ajajaja get a life eu noob sk not major but sk top 1 hltv rank idiot ez for sk
2017-07-22 03:22
#43
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Brazil LucaS10 
fnx returns SK returns coldzera, fer, FalleN, TACO and fnx. real line!
2017-07-22 03:22
#70
FalleN | 
Guatemala Zerkuhh 
would never happen
2017-07-22 05:24
#45
Netherlands HACI 
-taco +lucas easy br era back
2017-07-22 03:22
i heard fallen wanted lucas to replace fnx but he refused since he didnt want to leave his brother
2017-07-22 03:25
#71
FalleN | 
Guatemala Zerkuhh 
figures
2017-07-22 05:25
#50
bruttJ | 
Brazil kaiteN 
you know what means entry fragger, or at least what he does?... pls man, stop being such an idiot
2017-07-22 03:25
Can you list me 3 entry fraggers from top tier teams that are worse or at least similar to taco? Because if the job is SO HARD then surely every entry fragger has terrible stats too. Also, what about his pathetic CT side? Is he entry fragging as CT too?
2017-07-22 03:27
#54
bruttJ | 
Brazil kaiteN 
if the task of being an entry fragger wasnt being very well done, why they got the last 3 tournments and are in the TOP1?
2017-07-22 03:30
They won because they have 3 crazy good players and coldzera. Now stop avoiding my question.
2017-07-22 03:32
#57
bruttJ | 
Brazil kaiteN 
dont think that all teams have the same scenarios and feelings. every single team has their own way to work in equip, and im not saying that taco is the best entry fragger of the world, im just saying that if he wasnt making his work by the right way, they could not be where they are
2017-07-22 03:38
They are where they are right now because, as i said, they have 4 fantastic players, not because of him. You know taco isnt the best entry fragger on a top team but you are failing to recognize hes actually the worst. Like #53 said, boltz does pretty much the exact same job as taco and he does it way better
2017-07-22 03:42
#60
bruttJ | 
Brazil kaiteN 
so lets just wait for their decisions. i still believe that they are working very well together, and some changes would not be so good for them
2017-07-22 03:48
I love when someone says TACO is SK's entry fragger, because then we can instantly tell that this person has no clue on what he is talking about. Do you even watch SK games? Then you would know that depending on the map and the situation TACO will play lurker, support, or second entry frag. Its amazing so much people still repeat the same bullshit of TACO being SK's entry fragger over and over... Is it so hard to realize that on mirage t side many times he lurks palace, on inferno T side many times he lurks apartments, on cache sometimes he lurks squeaky door, etc? fer and felps clearly are the entry fraggers, not taco. one simple stat for TACO fer and felps for the year of 2017 that proves my point: TACO Total opening deaths 284 fer Total opening deaths 438 felps Total opening deaths 413
2017-07-22 04:59
boltz plays the same postions as taco on most of the map and he still frags, boltz or fnx for taco will make sk god like but it wont happen since cold and taco are like best friends, even lucas is better than taco always puts huge adr
2017-07-22 03:30
boltz is also IGLing i think, right? People always comes up with "taco does the hardest job" excuse. Yes he does (very poorly by the way) the hardest job, so what? Every team has someone to do those kind of things and no one is as bad as him
2017-07-22 03:33
steel is IGLing
2017-07-22 04:41
yes boltz igling but he gets help but ye the taco excuses are dumb he doesnt entry all he does on t side is stay is bait now boltz plays the same spots as him too
2017-07-22 06:55
#61
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Argentina kurtarrasa 
TACO is trash...
2017-07-22 03:58
-taco +horvy
2017-07-22 04:42
taco is the ultimate role player; the only player that comes close to his level of commitment to the team is kioshima
2017-07-22 05:00
#69
coldzera | 
Brazil set01 
the things is, you like it or not, he is good at what he is supposed to do. his game is already programmed by fallen. he does what he trained to do, simply. but when it comes to skill, the dude is just awful. he never picks the first kill, he never clutches when sk needs, he never makes awesome plays and etc. i ask myself, how can a player who plays so long in the pro scene, can't upgrade his skill even after win a lot of tournaments against the bests players in the world? how can you not learn from other players. its just pathetic. and what makes me rly angry is the he can't, never ever, alt smart players in clutch situations. jesus...
2017-07-22 05:22
exactly and thats why i think taco is easily replaced. Any other player could play the exact same roles as he does and probably will do way better than him. As #53 said, boltz plays the same spots as him and frags, clutches a lot more.
2017-07-22 05:42
Taco is a very good player. I know i know, he frags to low everytime, however, he does a really good ob setting up the higher star players and lets them frag. He can be dependant on and hits his shots when needed to. But, when the team is losing, it looks like taco is very bad. He is also the player that keeps everyone in a good mood and is nice/over going. When sk won no one talks about taco.....
2017-07-22 06:04
#93
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United States ViKaLiBuR 
SK - Immortals SK • FalleN SK • Coldzera SK • Fer SK • Felps SK • KNg SK • Zakk (Coach)
2017-07-22 06:04
-Taco +Kng Losing a godly rifler like Cold when SK wanna double awp is a waste. Just kick Taco and let Kng play 2nd awp.
2017-07-22 06:08
#96
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North America (Bangla_TLGO) 
Need to agree but + who
2017-07-22 06:57
I feel like if they full on kick taco, he'll just be vindictive and come out and expose how the team cheats
2017-07-22 06:59
-taco +anyone
2017-07-22 07:11
ofc you play 4v5, you bring a bot like felps that is free to do whatever wants on the map and in must situations he can't do shit, he can only kill on the back or when enemies are flashed, while taco plays the shittiest positions that nobody wants to play. its more like -felps +anyone that can fkin play
2017-07-22 16:42
every team has someone that plays the positions no one else wants to play and they arent nearly as bad as taco
2017-07-22 17:45
Sure I can agree with that, but why having a player that is shit in clutch situations but yet give ful freedom
2017-07-22 18:46
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