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Kinzu vs Abyssus
Other naoseitbm 
First i wanted kinzu but then i've heard alot about bugs of kinzu and about colored pads and i got doubts now... and looking for a similar mice as kinzu i've found abyssus, but i never heard anyone talking about abyssus mice here... so, you guys know if abyssus have any bugs or issues? which one is the better ? Let's talk about it . by the way, sorry for my bad english.
2012-05-25 15:55
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Abyssus is not your choice if you play CSTRIKE 1.6 , due to the huge empty space between the hand surface and the mouse ... , Kinzu is your best choice if you plan to play cstrike with it (or any FPS game) cheers
2012-05-25 15:59
Indeed, i want play CS . And about Kinzu, it doesn't will have bugs with my QcK+ SK ?
2012-05-25 16:16
Yes, it will... On any colored pad it will, it drives me insane. I'm currently saving money for buying a qck heavy.
2012-05-25 17:17
Oh crap, so if i buy Kinzu, i'll need change my QcK+ SK, that sucks
2012-05-25 17:25
No, no, keep your surface. I got a friend who doesn't have any problem on a Qck fnatic. And just look all the pro players with kinzu and Qck special edition... Anyway, can you still find a kinzu v1 ? I don't think so
2012-05-26 02:46
Yes, Kinzu v1s are still available :)
2012-05-26 05:50
Kinzu sucks, independently of the surface.
2012-05-25 18:06
#35
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Venezuela Riikards
QcK mini and It works fine for me...
2012-05-25 20:23
+1 I got Roccat Taito and got issues all the time
2012-05-26 04:19
I have abyssus for more than 1 year...mouse is realy nice shaped but mine has some problems with laser...it starts to move on its own xD (like 2x on 1 match)...this started to happen after 1 year. Dunno maybe this problem is just on my mouse....xD
2012-05-25 15:59
Happened to me either with my old abyssus. Switched to Zowie ec2
2012-05-25 16:03
I use Abyssus been like 9 months, the mouse is good! She using such players from the DTS as a Pops and more. The mouse is a good nice surface! The sensor is simply the best, not human does not blunt. The most important thing that I want to say it with a click of neat lists you can break it! in general, the mouse is excellent, I advise. sry for english :)
2012-05-25 16:12
Well, so both of them have issues, same price, same weight, same size, about the shape, both of them fits on the hand ? have any other mice with the same size , weight, that i can chose, instead these two that i have mentioned ?
2012-05-25 16:27
at the expense of nothing to say. as for me because it is more convenient cilantro (depending on what you're playing a mouse before), tried to play it, I just used to it. What about Abyssus - I'm used to it literally for days 3-4, sechas not feel discomfort! Again, sorry for english :)
2012-05-25 16:36
You should check ZOWIE EC2eVo out.
2012-05-25 16:46
He asked about two specific mouse Zoiwe and Reizer are two different things, two different prices.
2012-05-25 16:49
"have any other mice with the same size , weight, that i can chose, instead these two that i have mentioned ?" *Zowie, Razer... Come on bro, don't try to prove me wrong if you didn't check your facts...
2012-05-25 17:05
You are right... so, did you tried AM-GS? OR ec2 is better ?
2012-05-25 21:18
I haven't tried the AM-GS but I can tell you that I like the shape of the EC2, it's fits my hand perfectly(small, right handed). You should consider buying AM or ECeVo, don't go for SHITSERIES' products. The regular EC series has prediction, but the eVo series, which has the same sensor as the AM series, doesn't(=better sensor). Bottom line: You should go for Zowie products.ZOWIE = quality.
2012-05-25 23:11
+1 no buy steelseries mouse, better zowie or razer or microsoft.
2012-05-26 04:47
ec1 better ec2 and better AM, for me, because of the shape :)
2012-05-26 04:46
kinzu best
2012-05-25 16:50
you using others mouse?
2012-05-25 17:01
I use Kinzu + QCK Heavy, works fine.
2012-05-25 17:04
And what you say about Kinzu on a QcK+ SK , will work fine ?
2012-05-25 17:17
No, it won't if you aren't a high sensitivity player.
2012-05-25 17:20
so, High Sens + Kinzu + QcK+ SK = Works Fine ? Or i get it wrong ?
2012-05-25 17:36
ther is a sensor bug in knizu v2 not v1? i dunno if v1 is available nw.. but kinzu v2 is a good mouse.. but u'll hav to buy a single colored mousepad!!
2012-05-25 21:10
Right, thanks, i understand now, but i don't wanna change my pad just because the mice doesnt work on colored pads... instead, i prefer to buy one that doesnt have the bug, like AM-GS , right ?
2012-05-25 21:17
Yep! whatever fits in ur budget!
2012-05-27 16:49
Are you a low sensitivity player? The mouse does not have that bug on that mousepad? :D
2012-05-25 17:19
no i dont, i'm a high sens player, that's why i'm looking for a light weight mice, low sens freaks me out
2012-05-25 17:28
Yep and never had any problem in these 2y, my mousepad is almost gray as much dirt :DD I think there is no problem with QCK+
2012-05-25 17:32
Which mousepad do you have ?
2012-05-25 17:39
QCK Heavy
2012-05-25 17:42
k this looks like a noob question but kinzu or DA?
2012-05-25 17:21
I guess, if you are low sens dA will be your choice, Kinzu can also be, with the fact that him is smallest, lighter. fact that makes me prefer kinzu
2012-05-25 17:32
but its firmware doesnt support colorful surfaces :(
2012-05-25 18:00
yeah true, and this is driving me crazy on which mouse to buy, i dont know, is that really true about the bug about colored pads? because, some friends told me that it was only history to don't buy ss
2012-05-25 19:36
actually i saw this video on youtube that too cuz i m thinking of buying my 1st gaming mouse. dunno that much though. i just dont want to waste my $40 or something when i have a navi QCK+
2012-05-25 19:40
Whenever you move your mouse fast, as like low-medium sens players do, you will trigger the jump bug(when the cursor spins like crazy and pointing at the sky). If you are a high sens player, you will never reach the malfunction speed, so basically you have nothing to worry about.
2012-05-25 23:21
kinzu
2012-05-25 17:23
kinzu or DA
2012-05-25 17:48
I thing NE is better :D / kinzu
2012-05-25 22:23
Go for Kinzu! :D
2012-05-25 17:55
i never had problems with my kinzu on fnatic mousepad,it works perfectly
2012-05-25 19:39
Nice! Thanks
2012-05-25 21:05
Only one question, which one is your kinzu ? v1, v2 or v2 pro ?
2012-05-25 22:34
v1..but i think they stoped to sell v1,maybe if you are lucky you can buy brand new mouse,if dont i suggest you to go with zowie ec2
2012-05-26 00:05
i know, but i found v1 brand new on ebay.com only 18~25 bucks haha
2012-05-26 13:19
I played on Abyssus 2 years. Exelent mouse. Easy to use. No additional configuration is required. Very quick to set up the back of the mouse... Its very good for LAN. About Kinzu.... I buy this mouse in Germany in Hannover... After first week of using I had bug(double click in Windows after CS and sometimes it is switched off for 1-2 seconds. Sorry, but I dont like this mouse. Now I using ZOWIE AM - ITS PERFECT MOUSE. ZOWIE AM - 9\10 DA - 7\10 ABYSSUS - 6\10 XAI - 5\10 KINZU - 3\10 (i didnt use V2, but...)
2012-05-25 19:49
kinzu is way better than abyssus
2012-05-25 20:26
so that's it, abyssus out of the list, maybe AM-GS can also be one option, everyone says it's a good mice .
2012-05-25 21:11
KINZU the best mouse of play Counter Strike, i have one kinzu and never has problem
2012-05-25 20:39
Nice, good to know.. and what's your mousepad?
2012-05-25 21:06
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United States lurppis
I've used a SteelSeries KinzuV1 (with EG QcK+, QcK Heavy & NP+) since December 2009. I tried an Abyssus when we got sponsored by Razer, but the sensor makes it unplayable. The lift off distance is easily over 1cm, it's impossible to move your mouse on the mousepad
2012-05-25 21:12
Wow, glad for your answer :D anyway , Did you know anything about these bugs on Kinzu V2 on colored surfaces ? I mean, this is true ? And, did you tried any Zowie mouse?
2012-05-25 21:25
#47
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United States lurppis
i used the kinzuv2 pro for a while on my eg qck+ and i had no problems, i wasn't playing though, only windows use. never tried zowie mice really, i don't like changing gear and kinzu is perfectly comfortable to me, hence why i still use the original v1.
2012-05-25 21:28
Nice! so i guess my next mice, gonna be the Kinzu ... I just need to decide which version to choose ... I still do not understand very well the difference between v1, v2 and v2 pro, but anyway, thank you very much! (:
2012-05-25 22:28
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United States lurppis
v1 has hardware acceleration, v2 does not. v2 pro and normal ones (apart from the black normal one) have glossy surfaces, only the v2 normal black has a rubber surface.
2012-05-26 03:15
did u use mx518 ?
2012-05-25 23:12
#67
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United States lurppis
i did but i never liked the shape, was just stuck used to it
2012-05-26 03:16
Ever tried ikari optical? I´ve tried many ss mouses and so far this seems to be without bugs
2012-05-25 22:11
#49
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United States lurppis
i don't like the shape so i haven't tried it no
2012-05-25 22:12
oops :D
2012-05-25 22:44
#64
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Portugal zeniteee
yeah lurppis, i have to agree with you! kinzu v1 with out problems, ftw!
2012-05-26 01:46
Zowie AM > kinzu, abyssus
2012-05-25 21:21
Ikari > all
2012-05-25 22:15
KINZU
2012-05-25 22:27
kinzu
2012-05-25 22:35
kinzu v2pro(without accel)
2012-05-25 22:40
razer = shits ss = fu*** best mouses ever : MX518 / 1.1 / 3.0
2012-05-25 23:11
Don't buy SteelSeries. Go for ZOWIE EC eVo, ZOWIE AM, Logitech G400 or Razer DeathAdder. If you aren't using jump on scroll you can also buy Microsoft IME 3.0/IMO 1.1/WMO.
2012-05-26 01:39
no buy kinzu, She is famous only for its name but not the quality of! Buy a better mouse are listed above (mx518,3.0,1.1,DA,Abyssus,zowie) :)
2012-05-26 04:51
My friend used a mouse coriander two weeks and then came a double click, because of this I was afraid to buy this mouse, and took Abyssus what I pleased. As concerns that the Lurppis, it gives a good mouse is without bugs as a pro player, that they can not promise you. may eventually eliminate these shortcomings :)
2012-05-26 05:11
I use Kinzu & QcK+ and it's fine
2012-05-26 06:14
Which Kinzu and which QcK+ ?
2012-05-26 13:22
both shit
2012-05-26 06:14
kinnzzuuuuuu
2012-05-26 08:14
when?
2012-05-26 08:14
kinzu
2012-05-26 08:34
kiznu V1 have a bug, but V2 not have bug ! :P
2012-05-26 13:38
bug on colored surfaces/mousepads ?
2012-05-26 14:38
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Finland FRGVN
why only those 2 options? imo kinzu v1 sucks rly hard and If I were you I'd go with almost anything else.
2012-05-27 17:05
Get the kinzu, I had it until I upgraded to the sensei. It's a lot better than abysuss for fps without a doubt, it can bug but not enough for it to be a huge issue. People whine about the bugs, but thats just the minority.
2012-05-28 18:07
kinzu>all
2012-05-28 18:16
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