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IGL debate
s1mple | 
United States DiamTV 
Who was the best IGL if you could have them all in your prime, Debating with friend, PROnax, Fallen, Xyp9x,Dazed Or any others you may think off, For me i think Pronax was the best igl during his prime, but he thinks fallen
2017-07-28 06:00
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#1
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Poland Fasterinio 
in his prime? pronax
2017-07-28 06:00
#37
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Sweden imfuckinggay 
ma boi dazed<33
2017-07-28 11:00
you mean big iron?
2017-07-31 02:48
pronax rofl what a joke. pronax wasnt even top3. fnatic won off of raw skill, teamplay and a huge clutch factor. they barely had any tactics. at times pronax wasnt even IGLing but flusha took over and as soon as they got rid of pronax and got in dennis they won 6 tourneys straight. btt: xyp isnt an IGL, never was. dazed? ROFL come the fuck on. imo fallen, not even close.
2017-07-28 12:39
#81
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Australia Micev 
why are we forgetting xizt, he was killing every team with his strats and NiP were dominant for years
2017-07-28 13:17
nip and strats? rofl. and dont even remind me of the awful pick ban shit xizt has pulled pretty much since the start of csgo. xizt is not a good igl, period.
2017-07-28 13:22
nt my plastic americano friend.. ;)
2017-07-28 13:24
suck my dick
2017-07-28 13:25
I prefer your pussy, my made in china americano friend.. ;)
2017-07-28 13:27
im a woman, huh? very original insult.
2017-07-28 13:27
ty, my not so americano friend.. ;)
2017-07-28 13:29
#159
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Europe breweNje^ 
all igl's is rofl in ur opininon? say one igl of more which isnt rofl
2017-07-28 23:19
what are u talking about do u comprehend english? fuccboi
2017-07-28 23:56
#169
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Europe breweNje^ 
im russian, dont needed, burger
2017-07-29 00:37
#175
DeadFox | 
Hungary RaZoM 
u know nothing of cs clearly. The 87-0 win streak of nip was long long time ago fine, but with xizt as their igl and when they won the major xizt is clearly top #3 imo You say pronax isnt even close to fallen, bruh gtfo here.
2017-07-29 12:37
what gives a pleb like u the right to even talk to me? many analysts share the exact opinion on this tht i have, which is that pronax and xizt are woefully overrated, so take it from them, not from me. but oh wait, what do i see there? a nip logo next to ur name. what a surprise.
2017-07-29 12:45
de_cache onlyyy
2017-07-28 14:05
Exactly. Flusha winning 1vs2 with CZs and olof getting quad kills 4 rounds per game has nothing to do with tatics.
2017-07-28 13:22
"pronax rofl what a joke. pronax wasnt even top3. fnatic won off of raw skill, teamplay and a huge clutch factor. they barely had any tactics" Are you fucking shitting me? Most of the boosts and nade we use today in 2017 was created by Pronax in 2015 you dumbfk, you can see since Pronax left this team or was kicked whatever you want to say after the honeymoon period when dennis first joined they have been complete shit, because they are just a shitty pug team relying on skill only when they aren't even a top skilled team anymore many teams have way better aimers than they have atm.
2017-07-28 14:25
yayayayayayaa godsent. clever nade usage != great IGL.
2017-07-28 14:26
Obviously he's fallen off cause he got cut from the best team in the Swedish scene to go play in these shit teams and probably doesn't even give a fuck about CS Go anymore just playing to get his salary and nothing else. Please don't talk when you clearly don't know shit all about CS Go after that comment you just wrote, most of the tactics and strats top teams are using today were created by Pronax, Starix & Virtus Pro years ago and you clearly don't know shit about tactics or strats if you can't even admit to that. It's not my fault you're a match making shitter who can't even throw a smoke consistently and probably doesn't even know how to do smoke grenades on most maps so this is way to advanced for someone your skillset to be talking about go back to dm because you have no brain.
2017-07-28 14:29
what the fuck is this gibberish i hope this is bait. its like somebody hacked open ur skull, scooped out all the brains and filled it back up with mashed potatoes. this is you now according to the bullshit ur telling lol
2017-07-28 14:35
No just judging you by that one comment you made which clearly shows you need to find a new game because you're clueless also having dazed in this list just stop, you don't even know the difference between exgtenz and xyp3 your knowledge is very low and that's obvious.
2017-07-28 14:38
i didnt put dazed in the discussion, OP did. nt frankenstein.
2017-07-28 14:41
frankenstein? Is that supposed to be an insult? Anyway what you said above is pretty evident you should go play call of duty or overwatch, calling an IGL who invented a shit ton of boosts and strats having "no tactics" just don't discuss shit you have no clue about.
2017-07-28 14:43
im talking about their playstyle u dumb fuck. im calling u frankenstein bcs of the mashed potato shit i wrote above. they must have sowed ur skull back together somehw and thats why u look like frankenstein now, get it?
2017-07-28 14:46
Yes but I'm not insulted in anyway it's actually a quite shitty insult at least you can call me mohammed or swedistan which is still a shit meme but more insulting than that. I just want you to realize that what you said about Pronax is delusional and no I'm not defending him I could care less if he quit CS tbh but for that meta and period in CS he had a major influence on the tactics and strats, Fallen said when they came into the scene as Kabum.TD his whole approach was stealing some strats from Fnatic and Na'vi and kind of playing like a hybrid between the 2 if you remember how sick they were on mirage back then a lot of that was influenced by Pronax and Starix. Anyway it's your opinion you can think whatever you want even if it's wrong it isn't the end of the world for anyone else.
2017-07-28 14:50
ur getting boring boy
2017-07-28 14:59
Nice autism retardelele
2017-07-29 21:41
You must be trolling right?
2017-07-30 00:01
-1
2017-07-30 10:03
when was xyp9x an igl?
2017-07-28 06:04
#6
s1mple | 
United States DiamTV 
Whoops, Meant Ex6tenz
2017-07-28 06:06
If it's prime in any game, Ex6tenz in css > all of the above
2017-07-28 06:29
#29
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United Kingdom Bren7 
+1
2017-07-28 10:51
He was igl in source?
2017-07-28 12:49
#80
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Denmark WeiZy0 
Yeah, he was insane AWP+IGL
2017-07-28 13:12
That's how he got his status as a legendary IGL
2017-07-28 20:15
well he is a beast tactically in csgo and was an even bigger beast.
2017-07-29 22:01
He was at the start, when he retired he was nowhere near what he once was as a tactician
2017-07-30 00:17
retired?????????????????????????????????????????????
2017-07-30 00:18
my bad, dropped from g2, basically when he was removed from the teams containing top french talent
2017-07-30 00:19
he was not as good in the end of his g2 Days (probably from motivation), but then when he got kicked he became even better tactically (again probably from motivation)
2017-07-30 00:20
#3
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New Zealand fuckislam 
best igl who can frag or best igl no fragging
2017-07-28 06:05
#5
s1mple | 
United States DiamTV 
BEst igl to run a team, Pronax cant frag for shit lul
2017-07-28 06:06
#7
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New Zealand fuckislam 
blade
2017-07-28 06:07
#42
s1mple | 
Australia m3rky 
+1
2017-07-28 11:12
+1
2017-07-30 11:31
#155
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United States jaa60730 
he cant run a team either
2017-07-28 23:13
Ex6TenZ
2017-07-28 06:06
#8
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United States gtmaniacmda 
+6 I kid, Happy was way better, really underappreciated, now he sucks, like, REALLY hard compared to ex6tenz.
2017-07-28 06:16
#16
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United States kurt524 
Happy was a more successful IGL, but Ex6tenz has always been better.
2017-07-28 06:31
Peppy is a brake
2017-07-28 07:00
#40
ZywOo | 
Europe Noway1 
Ex6 was better, but unlucky? Didnt reach shit in csgo, pure t2/t3 igl. Stop hype him.
2017-07-28 11:08
look at source his teams dominated the last 3 YEARS of the game he got unlucky at dh winter 2013 but made it to semis then it went downhill from there constantly
2017-07-28 14:28
#139
ZywOo | 
Europe Noway1 
We are in csgo
2017-07-28 15:20
impressive observation!
2017-07-28 17:02
Me - alrighty thank you for joining me this lovely evening for this interview. You - thank you for having me. Me - The first question is *cough* sorry just had to clear my throat. Me - How many pro demos have you reviewed? You - "Ex6 was better, but unlucky? Didnt reach shit in csgo, pure t2/t3 igl. Stop hype him.". Me - ohh so in otherwords 0 and you are just doing the lazy way och watching the results? You - i am very ignorant so yes what you said is the same thing but in other words. Me - ok that was the only question, again thanks for having me. You - no problem man.
2017-07-29 22:00
#189
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United States kurt524 
Haha this is great
2017-07-29 23:45
atleast we are on the same page
2017-07-29 23:56
#190
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United States kurt524 
I'm not hyping Ex6tenz, but Happy has always had the better players (lots of that is Ex6tenz's fault for choosing to play with someone like Maniac) so it was much easier to win more. Plus he never really was a tactical IGL. His teams were successful because of how great the players were and how they won so many force buys.
2017-07-29 23:48
When he lead very games he was top2 and top 1 for distinct periods of time
2017-07-30 00:18
+1
2017-07-29 21:55
#77
REZ | 
Europe prknogo 
happys tactics were just rush with tec9. they had such firepower=nothing to do with ingameleading
2017-07-28 12:59
according to NBK, Happy was a better tactician than Ex6 but Happy chose a lot of the time to just rush in and kill everyone cuz it was working. if you look at nV's current playstyle they are very tactical, more so than current LDLC. Happy was definitely a large part in French teams successes in the past.
2017-07-29 00:00
#173
REZ | 
Europe prknogo 
yeah, but in that era they just shot heads man...it wasnt such tactical as it is now. I dont even watch envy so i dont know now. Im talking about envy that rushed and won coz of pure skill
2017-07-29 12:29
also during the time that happy was very succesfull we had a player called pimp that thought he was good with the awp, we had msl whom thought he was good on inferno, we had happy that thought he was a better awper then Kennys and we had shox whom was beggining to Think that he was a good igl. in other Words, pretty arrogany biast and not so smart players...
2017-07-29 23:59
i dont think it was pimps fault, they had no awper and he was the only one who could viably main awp so they kind of wasted his skills there. when i watch LDLC and nV now i see nV are the more slow paced tactical team while LDLC, i dont even know, they are a mess really. I definitely believe NBK that Ex6 is kind of overrated by a lot of people when it comes to IGL. Happy is a very good IGL and i think when he was in nV he just gave up completely and insisted on old meta, and then when he gave up they just freestyled it with NBK. now in nV, their gamestyle is really polished and co-ordinated and i think that is the true Happy, a tactical style IGL who also uses forcebuy/rush style in his gameplay
2017-07-30 01:09
So what you are saying is that the slower you play the better igl you have? That makes No sense.
2017-07-30 11:47
#9
Twistzz | 
Estonia dev2ce 
gob b /end
2017-07-28 06:15
+1
2017-07-28 12:13
#166
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France ADMIXPORNO 
check
2017-07-29 00:09
#78
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Germany Wurstkreatur 
+100
2017-07-28 13:01
#167
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France ADMIXPORNO 
flag
2017-07-29 00:09
#10
rain | 
Denmark w00bh4Xx 
Best IGL is Zeus
2017-07-28 06:15
#141
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Ukraine rthr|arturka 
Agreed, he showed us that he is strong, even after such hard times like leaving navi. Doing often important frags, motivation on its best, and tactics going proper. Plus with his appearance at gambit they won major.
2017-07-28 15:24
#157
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Europe wai7ing 
yeah, he rekted NaVi so damn hard
2017-07-28 23:13
Give this man a medal.
2017-07-30 00:22
Fallen, Zeus
2017-07-28 06:16
#183
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Ukraine Al13nB0RN 
This
2017-07-29 21:43
fallen in terms of fragging and motivational leadership, ex6 in terms of tactics
2017-07-28 06:19
Motivational leadership 100% shox not fallen
2017-07-30 00:26
#13
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Nepal Askje 
Ofc pronax
2017-07-28 06:26
1)flag checks out 2) u have mashed potatoes inside ur head.
2017-07-28 12:43
#71
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Nepal Askje 
ok ok say me that who's the best fan of vp - neo oh
2017-07-28 12:47
fallen? has brought a team up from nowhere and continued to lead them to the top of the world, making the right roster moves whenever necessary. even after fnx left, was able to turn the team around entirely, play a completely different style and still lead them back to the top of the world. and i hate sk, want them to lose every time.
2017-07-28 12:49
#75
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Nepal Askje 
fallen is good too but i think is his prime pronax was the best, he was master mind and i hate sk too
2017-07-28 12:50
he was mastermind of getting carried by 4 of the best players in the world at the time. no tactics, just ffa style, teamplay, clutching and some midround calls.
2017-07-28 13:20
#196
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CIS Bushyba 
U dont know shit. Watch some ts povs and maybe ur realize how much pronax meant for fnatic
2017-07-30 00:05
nt pronax
2017-07-30 10:33
#218
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CIS Bushyba 
youtube.com/watch?v=koQoE0UcPDw&t=623s watch this please. there are subs.
2017-07-30 10:35
and this is what u try to convince me wiith? pls, this is the loosest team ever. pronax barely does anything apart from a few calls here and there and coordinating some of what his teammates are saying to form it into a strat. and the funniest part is that krimz is the one calling out shit like "they liuke to play safe/he likes to play headshot/they like to flash a main and peek it wth awp" etc so he was clearly the one prepping the demo xd
2017-07-30 13:42
Flusha winning 1vs2 with CZs and olof getting quad kills 4 rounds per game has nothing to do with tatics.
2017-07-28 13:24
#124
JORDAN | 
Jordan LBJ 
Same about SK then. Coldzera winning 1vs3 with CZs and fer getting quad kills 4 rounds per game has nothing to do with tactics.
2017-07-28 14:37
+1 I dislike them but can't deny they're good. I always want them to lose
2017-07-28 14:20
Zeus
2017-07-28 06:29
1. Happy 2. pronax 3. Zeus
2017-07-28 06:34
1. Ex6TenZ
2017-07-28 07:00
9~11... between those, he might be found.
2017-07-28 09:38
ahahahha
2017-07-28 10:45
#122
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Denmark kaspeRztw 
to early for 9/11 jokes
2017-07-28 14:36
I didn't mean to remind of that tragedy but I really think he's somewhere behind 9-11, it just came to be the way it is.
2017-07-28 14:46
#144
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Denmark kaspeRztw 
Yeah I think you are right about that.
2017-07-28 15:31
Me - alrighty thank you for joining me this lovely evening for this interview. You - thank you for having me. Me - The first question is *cough* sorry just had to clear my throat. Me - How many pro demos have you reviewed? You - Ex6tenz might be number 9-11 on the best igl's of all time list. Me - ohh so in otherwords you are just doing the lazy way och watching the results? You - i am very ignorant so yes what you said is the same thing but in other words. Me - ok that was the only question, again thanks for having me. You - no problem man.
2017-07-30 00:00
You: Surprised to see you here again, I guess my boss man got spot on by deciding to have an interview without me knowing, well, nevermind, sit down please. Me: Yeah, yeah... You: What's changed since then? Any thoughts on it? Me: I think I have raped a ten year old child and now strangely proud of it You: No, no, man, I'm talking about CS Me: Oh, if so, I think mir is the greatest player in the world, if not, then soon to be. You: Nice jokes comin' 'round he'e. Now a bit seriously. Me; You dumpster You: Not true Me: You a lil fag You: Missed again... Me: I am he as you are he and we are altogether You: Fakkin' eggmen... Me: Yeah, right though, we're people in Texas, we hate blacks, yeah, we hate them, we're people from Texas, we do, we surely do so much. You: Happy? Me: The best of the best You: Thanks, we're done, bye.
2017-07-31 02:37
Quick hand me the 100ml dose of bleach, i dont want to live with eye cancer
2017-07-31 13:17
If you can't handle this message it won't give you the cancer but the bitter taste of defeat probably will
2017-07-31 13:17
#33
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Europe skelteR 
happy...be serious
2017-07-28 10:54
When you started watching CS matches? A month ago? I've nothing to discuss with the one who just finished his kindergarden
2017-07-28 11:49
#55
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Europe skelteR 
Ok, newboy id 866891. Keep living in your fanboy dream world
2017-07-28 11:50
#56
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Australia Raychippy 
Calling out people's id is so irrelevant
2017-07-28 11:53
#58
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Europe skelteR 
Could be. I don't think so in this case. I think jovik is watching cs since 2014 and thinks happy is actually an igl that could be considered in the same class as pronax, fallen, ex6tenz and so on.
2017-07-28 11:57
The date I began watching CS The date I registered on HLTV Those must be the same dates, isn't it? The impact he did was much more than any other one at the time. The next year there's only pronax who could be better than him. But he raped 2014 and laughed with glee at the clueless fans like you. This can keep going but my point is clear and visible, yours is just a denial of mine and nothing more. I don't really care what you may think, I come on this site to chat for a while
2017-07-28 12:23
#64
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Europe skelteR 
Not exactly sure when Happy raped in 2014, maybe you should check again. Sure, he had a good team with LDLC with kio, kqly and so on and at the end of the year in the team with shox when they won the major. But, if you look at the matches those teams were not highly tactical teams, his contribution was never as big as other igls. You take ex6tenz, fallen and pronax (although he had a more loose style in fnatic at one point) and you can see the contribution they make in terms of tactics, on using their players. Take glaive, karrigan and zeus now. They changed their teams instantly, they used their talented players in positions that could give the most satisfaction, they brought another level of tactics to the teams. I am not saying happy is a bad igl, he is good, but not in the same level as the above and saying he in number 1 is like saying scream is the greatest cs player of all time.
2017-07-28 12:35
He took frenchmen not much known before to the public and transformed them into superstars. SmithZz though was only good during that time, but that's Happy who made it work. Later on without him, he was literally bad. Look at shox now, he's free and he's considered a superstar, k1o had his moments in FaZe, NBK- was good in the following year. In Titan they were nowhere to be seen, Happy managed to change the roster completely and make a high class players of those who he got. They were good before - no denying, but they became extremely good under Happy's leadership. Even now xms became visible after he teamed up with Happy, just put them in the playoffs of the Major and they will show results, the same scenario with NiP - if they ever reach playoffs with no matter which roster they will show up. That long road pushes too hard and they lose faith before stepping up on it. FaZe could not even reach it while NiP could reach finals if you change their positions at the start of the Major, it's quite possible. So Happy, I'm running out of epithets just to describe how good is he and how much he is better than Ex6 for example, though he's better than anyone else. That DEVIL decision was the worst they ever made but once he failed - everybody forgot about him. Everybody watches this shitty game but not everybody is a fan of any team, just a herd of people gathering around. It's such a pity that you like this obviously pathetic game but I can't even call you a loyal fan, 'you' I mean all the fans. Happy is the wizard of CS, he can make a super star of anyone, just believe in him and give him a little time. Don't forget to give a bottle of gel to Ex6, he needs 3-4 a day.
2017-07-28 13:28
the only Point you pretty much make is that Happy makes everyone better when they are playing with him but you are completely ignoring that players like smithzz, shox, nbk and Kennys were all at their peek when they played under ex6tenz in 2012, 2013 and 2014. I'll give you k1o but xms would have become better with anyone that is a decent igl. And when happy and kenny was in the same team and they would go for the "hero awp" buy with tec-9/cz's happy would not give the awp to kenny he would take it himself. And you say happy takes shitty players from nowhere and then makes them better, look at ex6tenz in ldlc now, the only player that some might even have Heard of is to1nou and he has managed to qualify for esl pro league (even thought its online they are playing against the best teams in the World). And also making fun on his style doesent make any sense bcs then you could say that get right is not one of the best players of all time bcs he has not looked so good irl whilst playing...
2017-07-30 00:12
Tired of reading but my point remains, it's HLTV, I sometimes forget to what I spend my time
2017-07-31 02:38
Tired of Reading because you dont want to admit you're wrong? But i agree about the hltv point.
2017-07-31 13:19
I can't admit for I didn't even learn the information you've given. So it stays unanswered. I've written a lot about this particular thing so I've simply nothing to add to it. Our conversation may be missing some of those facts or generally important details but all in all I've pretty much done with it so no bitching about.
2017-07-31 13:21
yes well if you insisnt on not listening to my information you are either to lazy to do it, cant be bothered because in your opinion you are correct or you are a troll. and im pretty sure which one it is.
2017-07-31 19:14
#97
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France Deadfish 
+1
2017-07-28 13:30
#119
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Ireland BLAPBLAP 
Happy LUL
2017-07-28 14:34
I welcome you in this world newborn. Feel free to ask how to handle HLTV autism
2017-07-28 14:45
#136
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Ireland BLAPBLAP 
I love you. You'e hilarious. Better than any stand up comedian I've ever seen.
2017-07-28 15:09
You ain't seen many then I suppose. My intentions are good, I defend my this particular entertainment sphere idol and I want not anyone to humilate or downgrade his achievements. He's as great as only player can get.
2017-07-28 15:17
#140
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Ireland BLAPBLAP 
Nah I haven't seen many stand up comedians, generally don't really like them.
2017-07-28 15:21
Exactly what I said, I suppose you ain't seen many but nevermind. I ain't no comedian as well, so I'm afraid I'm gonna disappoint you but what I was saying is how I really think. Happy is my favorite player and I've been watching him since the rise of his star until this very moment
2017-07-28 15:23
#18
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Sweden NyXw0w 
Probably Pronax, he got his team to win multiple majors.
2017-07-28 06:39
#19
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United States Arm0n 
cArn
2017-07-28 06:55
#27
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Europe skelteR 
Carn just unleashed f0rest around the map in 1.6. He was not really known for his tactical calling.
2017-07-28 10:48
Ex6TenZ best IGL
2017-07-28 06:58
#23
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Ukraine CISfan[Guy] 
Zeus ofc
2017-07-28 07:10
ATM Zeus Before pronax and MAYBE seangares
2017-07-28 10:46
#28
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Poland Aloes 
karrigan
2017-07-28 10:51
#30
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United Kingdom Bren7 
why is DaZed in that list? he's not in the same league as the names with him.
2017-07-28 10:52
#32
NEO | 
Denmark felpv1ceH 
Dazed ct calls > ALL of their ct calls
2017-07-28 10:54
#52
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United Kingdom Bren7 
0/8
2017-07-28 11:29
not a bait
2017-07-28 17:37
he very well could have been by now, but unfortunately he was banned before he could prove it, so +1
2017-07-28 12:44
#82
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United Kingdom Bren7 
i doubt it, just before his Ban IBP were in a slump and he had just been cut
2017-07-28 13:18
the cut was a joke. im merely referring to his knowledge of the game and his analysis, which has been straight fire, even ackknowledged by loads of top pro players.
2017-07-28 13:23
#98
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United Kingdom Bren7 
what do you mean the cut was a joke?, he and steel got cut for Adren and Nitro?
2017-07-28 13:59
steel didnt get cut, he left prior to that. adren didnt get brought in, it was desi. i mean that cutting dazed was a joke, a completely whack decision made by an unstable 17 year old kid for no good reason.
2017-07-28 14:01
#107
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United Kingdom Bren7 
oh i thought you meant it was a joke as in, it didn't actually happen xD my bad. But nitro and adren did get brought in for steel and dazed
2017-07-28 14:17
it was desi and nitro.
2017-07-28 14:20
#116
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United Kingdom Bren7 
desi was a stand in my dude, while they looked else where
2017-07-28 14:29
desi and nitro got brought in for dhw, afterwards they got brought out again. dazed came back and eventually they were gonna get hiko. shortly after starting pracs with hiko they got banned tho.
2017-07-28 14:33
#31
NEO | 
Denmark felpv1ceH 
Best igl is igl that completely changes team from trash to top5 at least,so for me gla1ve karrigan and soon angel
2017-07-28 10:53
#38
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Norway Mickey Mouse 
Yeah, it's cool to see an IGL make wonders within unstructured teams. As karrigan did with faze, and zeus with gambit
2017-07-28 11:01
Zeus Missing on that list bro
2017-07-28 11:10
#34
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Finland DinamoGG 
B1ad3 Best IGL
2017-07-28 10:55
#36
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Russia orlani 
Stariks
2017-07-28 10:59
#39
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Switzerland TyRRRR 
ELITE : FalleN, Zeus, karrigan, gla1ve. TIER1 : pronax, Ex6TenZ, gob b. TIER2 : seang@res, DaZeD, B1ad3, Happy, MSL, stanislaw. TIER3 : shox, Xizt, ANGE1, snappi, MAJ3R. TRASH : The rest. > Its not based on fragging power but the IGL role in itself.
2017-07-28 11:05
MSL atleast tier 1 since her carried the bad version of Dignitas with tactics and good igl'ing
2017-07-28 11:12
#45
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Switzerland TyRRRR 
In theory i agree in practice, nope not enough achievement, he didnt made aizy great again, and he's kciking his best player. so meh good in T2 imo.
2017-07-28 11:13
Im not sure if he is kicking Magisk or not. Magisk has posted in Instagram that her is looking forward to play with the team again when he comes back from his VACation. So i think FCK Light be fooling us and Maybe they will kick aizy
2017-07-28 11:19
#48
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Switzerland TyRRRR 
I hope so :/, but even if their is no beef beetween Magisk and the rest of NORTH benching him is the worst move they could have done, valde is very good but less than magisk this will only make them worse i think. But if your secret theory is right ;D and they kick aizy for valde then the are Top3/5 material.
2017-07-28 11:21
#SaveMagisk
2017-07-28 13:10
#164
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United States Tater_Hater 
This list is so far the list I agree with the most.
2017-07-29 00:05
#181
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Turkey Yossi_Kohen 
Maj3r????? Xddddd Lul no
2017-07-29 21:40
#225
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Europe de_insertion 
thank god someone know what ex6 did in the past
2017-07-31 02:41
#43
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Belarus artemka_mm 
blad3, zeus
2017-07-28 11:12
Best IGL is by seized, leaded Na'vi to top 4 cologne and almost 1/4 in major ( just unlucky )
2017-07-28 11:21
#49
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Switzerland TyRRRR 
bestb8.be
2017-07-28 11:21
ahahahah 10/10 :D
2017-07-28 12:01
6/8
2017-07-29 22:45
#50
AdreN | 
Kazakhstan Aiomie 
Zeus probably the best igl, dominating with navi 2010-11, winning tournaments in cs go, twice major runner up at navi, and finally bringing Gambit together and winning a Major. This guy is amazing, overcoming all hardships life threw on him, he is still on top and winning. Ex6tenz pretty legendary figure as well. Other godlike igls are pronax, karrigan, gob b, b1ad3(if only he could perform individually), FalleN of course need some respect as well. Too bad DazeD was banned. I like seangares too. Everything is despite my antipathy, as I am not fond of SK and fnatic, cause reasons.
2017-07-28 11:27
#51
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Norway OfficialStrix 
Z E U S E U S
2017-07-28 11:27
#53
RpK | 
France Sorter18 
Pronax Happy Ex6 Zeus Gob B
2017-07-28 11:33
#148
nex | 
Germany Vikernes 
Agreed but +Fallen
2017-07-28 17:32
#151
RpK | 
France Sorter18 
Yes but I was talking about the old ones Fallen is 2016 but you're 100 % right ;) even more IGL + Main AWP is amazing and very hard I think !
2017-07-28 18:51
zeus blade (if we dont count rifle/awp skills) gob b (if we dont count rifle/awp skills) pronax (if we dont count rifle/awp skills) seangares (if we dont count rifle/awp skills) karrigan glaive
2017-07-28 11:56
gob b zeus fallen gla1ve karrigan smartest team 2017
2017-07-28 12:23
gob b (support) zeus (igl) fallen (awp) gla1ve (entry) Karrigan (lurk/2nd awp)
2017-07-28 13:20
#129
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Netherlands EliteBekkers 
So you can have not 1, not 2, but 5 weak players. Like you're trying to pull an opposite superteam.
2017-07-28 14:42
Fallen is a world class awper Gla1ve can fragt really good gob b is really good aswell and Will be able support And tactics will take Them to new heights
2017-07-28 19:12
#154
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Netherlands EliteBekkers 
Gla1ve carries his weight, he can't "frag really good", worst in Astralis. gob b is not very good, second worst in BIG only because LEGIJA's even worse. Fallen world class AWP'er? This isn't 2016.
2017-07-28 23:10
gob b was top fragging at times in the major qual. Fallen just got the MVP at ESL One Cologne Gla1ve is not the best player in Astralis and is not a consistent fragger under the system but he can go ham at different times when maybe Devve is underperforming
2017-07-29 21:31
zeus just cuz i know what he did and doing still
2017-07-28 12:24
#66
Xyp9x | 
Denmark Khronov 
1.zeus 2.fallen 3.gla1ve 4.dazed 5.boltz
2017-07-28 12:40
#168
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France ADMIXPORNO 
fan of imt
2017-07-29 00:15
#170
Xyp9x | 
Denmark Khronov 
???
2017-07-29 06:18
#69
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Germany lawlig 
fallen didn't only call very good he also was an awping beast... pronax was shit compared to fallen
2017-07-28 12:44
#70
nukkye | 
Czech Republic kczr 
Seang@res, Pronax, SpunJ (jk), Karrigan.
2017-07-28 12:46
Real IGL's Fallen, Karrigan, Zeus others shit
2017-07-28 12:49
#76
kNgV- | 
Turkey EZFORBR 
Lmao Zeus is absolutely trash My top 1) b1ad3 2) steel.br 3) fallen 4) pronax 5) snax
2017-07-28 12:53
SPUNJ
2017-07-28 13:21
#89
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Germany elseen 
gob b Zeus FalleN
2017-07-28 13:24
#100
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Andorra hltv_citizen 
zeus unarguably top1 of all time: 2 different rosters to 3 major finals with one victory. Two tier-2 rosters to tier-1
2017-07-28 14:02
#101
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France Static2k 
me
2017-07-28 14:03
fallen 100%
2017-07-28 14:07
#104
Friis | 
Canada uhJake 
Fallen ez...
2017-07-28 14:09
#105
dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
cArn / zeus
2017-07-28 14:10
ahahaha ZEUS is 100% best !
2017-07-28 14:10
HeatoN, the one and only - who managed to turn his players into soldiers. Ruling with iron fist.
2017-07-28 14:20
Fallen and Zeus best gob b can also be very good
2017-07-28 14:24
Zeus ez Fallen ez
2017-07-28 14:24
Even though he isn't on the list I would say Starix for sure, used to love watching Na'vi play when he was allowed to be the IGL as the coach and they had these really slow executions it was just beautiful CS. Fallen/Pronax are closed 2nd/3rd for me, Dazed was never a good IGL he more focused on playing for stats I would rate even Steel above him in terms of actual strats/tactics and I also think steel is a better player than dazed overall, when I watched those old games with iBP vs complexity it was just pure pug teams, looked like an ESEA pug match, iBP had some international success of course because Swag was a god and a top 20 ranked player at that time and they had AZK probably the best support player NA ever had having those 2 in your team you will have some success here and there but they were never a tactical team or had sick strats, dazed has been and will always be over rated, shouldn't be anywhere in this list even adren is a better igl than he is. Also from what i heard is dazed is extremely toxic and people usually don't like being on a team with him which isn't really the best trait to have as an IGL.
2017-07-28 14:35
#123
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Denmark kaspeRztw 
ex6tenz
2017-07-28 14:37
#126
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Netherlands EliteBekkers 
chrisJ /closed
2017-07-28 14:41
#138
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Germany Fabbsen 
Gob and Fallen Gob b made Legija Keev Tabsen and Nex to Legends in half a year, Yes its still not clear if they continue their PGL perfomance but anyway its something respectfull
2017-07-28 15:20
eZ ex6tenZ
2017-07-28 15:24
#145
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
zeus?
2017-07-28 15:32
#146
ckN | 
Estonia ckN 
cArn, ave, Zeus and may be lurppis, LeX
2017-07-28 15:35
Pronax %100
2017-07-28 17:54
#156
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United States jaa60730 
any game gob b in 1.6
2017-07-28 23:13
#158
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Canada Surzz 
lots of good igls the best would be fallen imo, he can frag well and has good tactics.
2017-07-28 23:16
Godnax xizt
2017-07-29 00:02
#165
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Germany K3v1 
god b /close
2017-07-29 00:07
gob b ex6tenz personal opinion: zeus fallen blade seangares
2017-07-29 06:26
#172
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Brazil wAc 
Zeus> carn > fallen > blade > gob b > pronax > KIKOOOOOOO
2017-07-29 06:30
BUDJ OKURATNEJ A TO MOJ NEGER UKUSIT ! 410 GANG all the way ready for war
2017-07-29 12:30
#177
RpK | 
France Sorter18 
Pronax Happy Ex6 Zeus Fallen Gob B Sean Gares
2017-07-29 12:58
test
2017-07-29 21:34
everyone that acsually understand the tacticall side behind the game would probably have something like, starix, zeus, ex6tenz, or fallen in their top 3. Someone that doesent understand the tacticall side would probably say something like happy, shox, pronax (he was a pretty darn good igl), zeus (just bcs he won the major), fallen just bcs they achived alot or were really good individually when they were igl's i would say 1. ex6tenz 2. fallen 3. zeus 4. blad3 5. starix 6. gob b 7. pronax
2017-07-29 21:55
thank god someone has a brain around here
2017-07-30 00:00
#187
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Portugal NKGj 
gla1ve
2017-07-29 22:02
#197
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Croatia mds818 
imo none,you have different igls which means different style of leading,for example you have gob b who's master of outplaying opponents and unlocking players potentials(nex and tabsen with/without gob b),you have zeus who got godlike executions at 20sec,flusha is(was) master of run and gun.. etc etc,you have bunch of igls who are very good at doing their job,but its questionable how good can they use their players
2017-07-30 00:05
i got a tiny bit of Eye cancer Reading that
2017-07-30 00:13
#200
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Croatia mds818 
maybe,but im pretty sure that everyone gets a cancer while reading your name.
2017-07-30 00:14
makes sense but still i Think that if i lived in Somalia and randomly said mds818 i would get my tounge chopped off
2017-07-30 00:16
#216
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Malaysia nLighten 
+1
2017-07-30 10:12
#207
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Brazil Collee 
Fetish. Best CT sides I've seen
2017-07-30 00:21
Zeus /closed.
2017-07-30 00:25
Xyp9x? Wtf he's support not igl
2017-07-30 00:36
Best igl for sure Fallen, hes good leader + good player. Pronax was just very good igl and know how to use their players, hes just bad aimer. Zeus always was in top of igls. I would say that Karrigan also is very good igl top 5 for me. Maybe now Snax also in top 5
2017-07-30 10:08
Glaive
2017-07-30 10:10
#221
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Argentina juanme555RIP 
DaZeD isn't even close to be elite igl. FalleN or Ex6TenZ
2017-07-30 11:49
No one even said G0D HUNDEN yet?! His prime is eternal. EZ.
2017-07-31 02:43
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2.16
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1.22
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4.20
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1.45
NiP
2.68
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