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iBP still banned!
World Iceylemon 
No eleague, no dreamhack, no major confirmed. Whats the point if they can only play ESL and some $10,000 leagues?
2017-07-28 09:32
esl pro league
2017-07-28 09:32
but they wont play for any big team, cuz c9, liquid, optic, they all play a lot of big tournaments, and not only from esl
2017-07-28 10:01
NA pro league is half shit teams anyway I'm sure a DazeD + swag team could unseat a number of them
2017-07-28 15:37
so why would they practice with diffrent line ups
2017-07-28 10:01
Latvia keshancs 
better than nothing ;)
2017-07-28 09:32
I guess that is true.
2017-07-28 09:43
Nope, nothing is way better than all of them
2017-07-28 09:45
Czech Republic Prevodovka 
n0thing is total trash :DDDD with one of the worst spray (compared to other pros)
2017-07-28 10:35
If they can win all of the leagues they will be making more than the majority of teams that attend majors...
2017-07-28 09:33
2017-07-28 09:39
uhh that "IF" is bigger than the Russian land mass. C9 is better than iBP and their winnings are low as fuck. C9 just lives off sponors, streaming and brand name. I guess if iBP could do that then they are set.
2017-07-28 09:44
c9 better than ibp, next joke pal
2017-07-28 10:18
We got some washed up iBP players and people are saying they are best NA team? Maybe when they were still active. Remember NIP and Fnatic? They were the best years ago. Now they can still compete but aren't as good. Maybe 1 or 2 players could make it, but the others? no way One of the other iBP is doing pro overwatch. iBP now? Next joke pal
2017-07-28 10:40
well ofc man, give it 6 months and they will destroy c9
2017-07-28 10:41
Palestine SK_Is_Terrible 
ESL IEM all that is like 50-70% of the events just so you know. That's enough to make a team.
2017-07-28 09:37
Luxembourg alex24 
not really only 4 events the whole year ESL one ESL new york IEM katowice IEM Oakland
2017-07-28 09:44
Europe knype 
esl pro league mate
2017-07-28 10:01
iem sydney iem san jose and pro league twice a year
2017-07-28 10:04
Luxembourg alex24 
i was talking about tier1 events sure ESL does other tier3 events
2017-07-28 10:37
Germany JuaNiko_^ 
lol if you talk about tier one event why you mention that they can't play in dreamhack event 90% of there are tier 2 events with 100k prize money..
2017-07-28 10:51
Germany JuaNiko_^ 
esl one new york
2017-07-28 10:50
its not nearly 50% of the events, noob
2017-07-28 10:06
are you new to the scene or just retarded? ESL/ ESEA events are around 50% of the circuit.
2017-07-28 10:22
LMAO , retarded noob newfag casual U.S American brown fag calls me new , it doesnt get any more ironic than that PGL, DH, Faceit, Eleague they all have more than 1 premiere event per year, which makes mathematically impossible for ESL to have half of the entire tier1 tournaments per year, and that's without counting the one offs such as MLG and Epicenter. there is no point going down to tier2 and or lower because then the pool is much much bigger.
2017-07-28 10:57
Just did a count out of the 22 premier events in 2016 like 7 of them were ESL. counts ESL NA/Europe final as 2 seperate online events but in reality they are just quailfers for EPL finals.
2017-07-28 11:11
no point in playing $250k/750k ESL events/leagues and getting paid a salary if he joins a good org? tell us more of your wise opinions plz they are gems. some rale smart shit.
2017-07-28 09:41
No top org is going to pay for people that can't qualify for major. 250k is total prize pool and C9 is better than iBP (who is washed up). Even C9 can't win anything. They live off C9 brand and sponor. Their winnings couldn't support a household. Streaming is another big money maker for them.
2017-07-28 09:43
One 750k tourney and some small 250k tourneys. They get 3rd-4th place at best at EPL finals and get 50k to split between 5 people and maybe get like 30k a piece from smaller tourneys and split between 5 people. They might break 50k a player per year not including their streams. Better day jobs. Of course if you include streaming they are making more though.
2017-07-28 09:49
Paraguay HighAIching 
50k a year is good
2017-07-28 09:58
Definitely is not a bad salary in some places. But if you are living in California or New York, 50k is shit.
2017-07-28 10:01
why am i itt? not this bored
2017-07-28 10:37
Pros play non-t1 for ez money. They need spending money. Lot of them still live with their parents. Even some low tier pros have part-time or day jobs.
2017-07-28 10:36
still better than banned from 10k tournments XD
2017-07-28 09:44
True, I guess
2017-07-28 09:45
jah bless u
2017-07-28 09:46
jks | 
Liberia nawledge 
LOL? u know that epl finals, and the other esl tournaments have 500k prize pool right? dumb fk
2017-07-28 09:48
Dumb? EPL is 750k prize pool and esl tournaments are 250k a piece. IEM is a bit more depending. If you win get a bunch of money. Hit 3rd place or below and you might as well stream or get a day job. 500k my ass
2017-07-28 09:50
jks | 
Liberia nawledge 
yea 750k thats even better
2017-07-28 10:11
Facepalm... You said other esl tornaments have 500k prize pools which is a fucking lie. Only one has 500k+. All the others are smaller than what you claimed. My god.
2017-07-28 10:13
jks | 
Liberia nawledge 
still 100k for first place, and why would any NA team care about majors anyways, Liquid cant even qualify for major, neither can optic, C9 has never gone out of groups of a major, so i think that any NA team would be likely to pick them up unless theyre gonna start their own team
2017-07-28 10:15
NA teams do care about majors. Why do you think they try? All the big orgs like liquid, c9, Optic, etc. still try. Even Renegades try. They play in NA but fly back to play in Asia qualifer. Majors are for prestige and money. If you can't make it to the major then you are shit tier team and not relevant player. Pros want to be relevant and not on a shit tier team. 100k if they win. iBP isn't better than c9 an c9 can't even win small tournaments.
2017-07-28 10:22
jks | 
Liberia nawledge 
dude, theres no point of caring about majors if you cant even qualify/ do shit at the major, then you might aswell say fuck majors to get godlike players and maybe win international tournaments
2017-07-28 10:25
I think it will be enough if the also get unbanned from ECS ECS , EPL , IEM Oakland, IEM Katowice, ESL One Cologne, IEM Sydney....sounds about enough events to stay relevant and respected if they place well, a lot of prizemoney + whatever salary they get.
2017-07-28 10:08
Yeah, we got to see about ECS, Starladder and PGL.
2017-07-28 10:09
When or where did DH come out and state that they will not unban the former matchfixers from their lans?!?!??
2017-07-28 10:19
Finland 14|88 
2017-07-28 10:23
this is just a start dude , after valve will smell thos big money from their brands you will se they will be unbanned just give it time
2017-07-28 10:11
Netherlands SqCTrickz 
2017-07-28 10:17
prize money is not big deal anymore in cs why whould they care if they have good salary thats nuff with some stream money
2017-07-28 10:19
Its not? People stream and do odd things to make money so they don't have to get a normal day job. Why do you think tons of girl stream? Just sit in front of cam and $$$$$$$$$.
2017-07-28 10:24
like i said they shouldnt care that much about tournament prize money as long as they sign with some good org for good salary + stream money would just be cherry on top of a cake
2017-07-28 10:39
Good orgs want to go to all the big tournaments. Its going to be tough getting signed onto a good org. What orgs would pick them up? I could see maybe lower tier ones in NA like TSM (lower chance), complexity, spylce, etc. But orgs like Optic, C9, Liquid? No way.
2017-07-28 10:43
ofc they will not have chance to get into elite NA orgs but even teams like TSM could pick em up they would have bigger chance to win something rather when they had roster with Sean also i guess dazed swag and others would stream shitloads of hours aswell and thats good for org. thats how they make money so i think it would be win win situation for both sides
2017-07-28 15:36
being unbanned from ESL is better than not being able to play anything
2017-07-28 10:23
Poland misioneos 
2017-07-28 10:27 Dreamhack is a sister company. Both are owned by MTG, but ESL and DH are legit different companies.
2017-07-28 10:33
United States ViKaLiBuR 
They can play EPL, Cologne, New York, and a lot more. ESL has the tendency to expand into more countries
2017-07-28 10:52
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