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jks | 
Australia telozen 
So i'm getting more and more underwhelming FPS as time goes on. Of the specs in my PC, what should I consider upgrading most? I'm going to start saving more money so I can afford a better PC. Specs: OS : Windows 10 64 Bit CPU : AMD FX-6300 RAM : 10GB Mobo : ASUS M5A787L GPU : Nvidia GEForce GTX 670 SSD : 250GB Kingston HDD : Seagate 500GB Monitor : BenQ GL2460
2017-09-21 10:31
#1
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Australia Renegadestop1 
CPU+MOBO+GPU should be your top priority
2017-09-21 10:33
#3
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Australia Renegadestop1 
If I was in your shoes I would do cpu+mobo+cpu cooler first before anythign else tho
2017-09-21 10:34
#6
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Australia Renegadestop1 
If you want newer architecture u would want DDR4 ram too and 8GB of ddr4 at MSY is 100 bucks so good luck with that lol
2017-09-21 10:38
#14
jks | 
Australia telozen 
zzzzz Just added CPU+MOBO+RAM in my cart, solid $492. I got some more saving to doooo
2017-09-21 10:54
I think RGB+Case+Sound Card should be his top priority.
2017-09-21 12:36
#61
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United Kingdom HighVoltage 
so a new pc then rofl
2017-09-21 12:37
CPU
2017-09-21 10:34
#4
Dosia | 
Poland WrzodX 
PSU
2017-09-21 10:35
#5
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World spaaace 
your CPU is letting you down really, i have a similar PC but with an old i7 (4770) and get 200-500fps
2017-09-21 10:37
For CS:GO? Motherboard, CPU and RAM. Then GPU.
2017-09-21 10:38
get out of my face
2017-09-21 12:09
The problem here is the GPU. Quite slow for today's games. Only problem is when you upgrade that your CPU will bottleneck. Then you'll have to replace that. But you will also need a new motherboard. And this motherboard takes DDR4 RAM, unlike the AM3 sockets.
2017-09-21 10:40
#9
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Australia Renegadestop1 
So his best bet is just to wait wait until he has enough to buy cpu,mobo,ram and gpu all at once and maybe even psu.
2017-09-21 10:46
#10
jks | 
Australia telozen 
jfc that's alot anyway I got a new PSU recently, and it's pretty good cos my old one failed on me.
2017-09-21 10:47
#11
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Australia Renegadestop1 
Yeah I feel you bro. I'm looking to upgrade my PC too since mine is 10x worse than yours but pc parts here are so fucking expensive. I was looking at a b350m board, ryzen 1600 and 8gb ddr4 ram and it costs almost 500 bucks.
2017-09-21 10:50
#12
jks | 
Australia telozen 
Price Low->High :^) I heard JB HiFi give the best price on PC parts.... Kappa
2017-09-21 10:53
#15
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Australia Renegadestop1 
Srsness though I always shop at MSY they have the best prices OR at PLE who have much more stock, better and easier to use website and their store is very very nice also but have worse prices than MSY.
2017-09-21 10:57
#17
jks | 
Australia telozen 
I usually shop at Umart. Is there really much difference between the 2 shops?
2017-09-21 10:58
#18
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Australia Renegadestop1 
Well Umart doesn't have any stores in Perth so that's not an option for me as I prefer to buy local. MSY and PLE however do have local stores. I never really bought PC parts online because I'm very very impatient. I prefer to order then pickup tomorrow.
2017-09-21 11:00
#20
jks | 
Australia telozen 
Ahh true that. Umart is local for me, as is MSI ;D #BrissyLife
2017-09-21 11:02
#22
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Australia Renegadestop1 
MSY* #Perthlifegetfuked
2017-09-21 11:02
CPU definitely, AMDs FX series are absolute garbage nowadays, you can get a decent upgrade for around 500$ with like R5 1600, 16gb RAM, and some decentish mobo. Intel is definitely a choice too with the upcoming Coffee Lake lineup. Your 670 is decent enough for CS but it'll be a big bottleneck once you upgrade. So my advice is, go for Ryzen, spend around 500$ aka 10000k AUD, hang in there with the 670 and start looking into upgrading that once new GPUs launch from NVIDIA sometime next year.
2017-09-21 10:54
#16
jks | 
Australia telozen 
Thanks bro! My cart is currently looking like: 8g DDR4 GSkill RAM Intel i5 7600k Quad Core ASRock B250M-PRO4 LGA 1151 Motherboard $492 AUD, which is ~329 euros or 391 USD.
2017-09-21 10:57
#23
jks | 
Australia telozen 
Just changed to Intel i5 7500k, it's like 35 $ less and not much worse ;D
2017-09-21 11:02
There is no "K" version of 7500 as far as I remember. Also 6- and 7-series CPUs will turn into pumpkin in few weeks, so better go for Ryzen or wait for Coffee Lake. i5-7500 = 4 cores, 4 threads, 3.4 Ghz (TB 3.8 Ghz) i5-7600k = 4 cores, 4 threads, 3.8 Ghz (TB 4.2 Ghz) i5-8400 = 6 cores, 6 threads, 2.8 Ghz (TB 3.8 Ghz) i3-8350k = 4 cores, 4 threads, 4 Ghz (TB ??? Ghz) hothardware.com/news/intel-core-i3-8350k.. So you will be able to get better CPU for almost the same price (or even a bit lower).
2017-09-21 11:26
#24
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Australia Renegadestop1 
Why not get Ryzen 1600 with ASRock b350m
2017-09-21 11:02
#25
jks | 
Australia telozen 
What's the difference, price x performance wise? If it is better and cheaper / more bang for your buck then I might.
2017-09-21 11:03
#26
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Australia Renegadestop1 
Might be more bang for buck but not very good for OC
2017-09-21 11:04
#30
jks | 
Australia telozen 
Would I still have to upgrade my DDR3 RAM? Plus, I don't overclock very often so it doesn't bother me too much.
2017-09-21 11:08
#34
jks | 
Australia telozen 
okay i just checked I can get similar Intel CPU + Mobo for around same price, if not cheaper than Ryzen, and the motherboards look/have more slots in the intel ones. This is my current checkout: ibb.co/nk2V15
2017-09-21 11:14
Not to bash or anything, but you're buying an unlocked CPU with a mobo that can't overclock, basically wasting money there. Another thing is, the 7600k is a decent enough CPU, but its only a 4 core one. You can get a 6 core 12 thread one from AMD with basically the same performance in games while smashing it in multitasking. Or if you don't want to buy AMD anymore, Intel is launching a new lineup in two weeks or so, with 6 core CPUs. Both of those options will keep your system more relevant in the future. Do what you wan though, thats the most important thing.
2017-09-21 11:04
#28
jks | 
Australia telozen 
"Just changed to Intel i5 7500k, it's like 35 $ less and not much worse ;D" Plus, I got a 6 core atm but it has trash performance, so would a 4 core with great performance per core be better? I don't know, i'm not a computer professional, i just shoot people :DD Please, give me your honest recommendation, and not things for too much $$$$, i'm a student xd
2017-09-21 11:07
Well like I said before, the FX cpus are garbage, you can't really compare them to anything modern. If you want a good upgrade right now, buy the R5 1600, 16gb RAM, B350 motherboard. Depending on what RAM and mobo you pick you're going to land on either side of 500$. Look up a quick video on how to overclock Ryzen, its easy as fuck and you'll be fine even with the stock cooler, thats about it. As for the GPU, save some money, wait until Nvidia releases their new lineup next year so that prices come down, buy like the 1160 or whatever it'll be called and you'll be fine for the upcoming years.
2017-09-21 11:14
#35
jks | 
Australia telozen 
This is my checkout ATM, it seems reasonably priced (AUD) and seems it would do much better performance-wise. ibb.co/nk2V15 As well as the GPU, would it not be better to wait until the 1160 comes out, and buy the 1060/1070 or something? The prices would drop and they would still perform well, chances are very similar performance to the 1160.
2017-09-21 11:16
Thats also a valid option. If the price is right definitely you can go for it. But no, a locked i5 won't do much better performance wise. But like I said if thats what you feel like getting then go for it.
2017-09-21 11:18
#38
jks | 
Australia telozen 
Cool. So what do you think of what I have in my cart currently? I need to do more research but it seems fine for now. (P.S. Are you a technician by any chance? xd)
2017-09-21 11:19
The locked i5 4 core is not a good option. Intel is phasing out the 4 core as mainstream CPUs in a few weeks (early october) when they launch their 8th generation CPUs with 6 cores on the i5s. So that thing is going to cost at least 100$ less in two or three weeks. Basically a terrible purchase atm.
2017-09-21 11:27
#45
jks | 
Australia telozen 
so i'll wait 2 or 3 weeks then, then buy it ;D I don't wanna splash out alot of cash on an overhyped new item from Intel. If I were to do that then i'd just go with Ryzen as suggested by #24. I'll wait awhile cos i'm still getting 150 fps on most average situations in maps, which is viable for now. Plus I just realised: I can some of my CS:GO skins to a Paypal account then buy online! ;D
2017-09-21 11:29
In my opinion any 6- or 7-series Intel CPU is just waste of money atm. i5-7500 is garbage tbh and if you want i5-7600k, then just wait for 8-series CPUs and go for i3-8350k. At least you will be able to upgrade your CPU to something like i7-8700 later. But I personally would go for Ryzen, it's better than i5-7500, it's already future proof and you will be able to upgrade your CPU to Ryzen 2 later.
2017-09-21 11:41
#50
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Ukraine entryfragger 
Why the fuck would he go for i3 when he can get i7 6700 or even 7700 when cofee comes out for little bit more. You are saying to buy i3 and then go for i7 8x later and there already will be something newer so its same shit already. Either go for Ryzen or wait for cofee cpus then grab i7 6700 wich is already futureproof for 4 years atleast. Dont bother with coffee cpus since it will require atleast Z370 MOBO and thise are overpriced already and require more expensive ram also.
2017-09-21 11:55
hothardware.com/news/intel-core-i3-8350k.. i7-6700 or even i7-7700k aren't "future proof" anyhow. And their prices won't drop significantly. So yep, Ryzen is better choice for him right now, but if he wants Intel then it's better to buy i3-8350k than i5-7600k or especially i5-7600. Price difference between DDR4 2400 Mhz and DDR4 3200 Mhz is about 10-15% as I remember. Motherboard will costs +- the same.
2017-09-21 12:08
#56
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Ukraine entryfragger 
Ofcorse, arent future proof since they series production is over. I meant in way that 6700k will be enough good cpu for next 4 years atleast. Even 5 year old Sandy Bridge is enough for 2-3 years. Games wont require more than 4 cores to run in nearly future, my friend. Unless you are heavy multitasker of corse.
2017-09-21 12:12
Well, in "Watch Dogs 2" you already got 100% CPU usage with i7-7700k. :) And if he isn't "multitasker" then he has even more reasons to save money and go for i3-8350k (4c/4t) or i5-8400 (6c/6t) instead of 6700k/7700k (4c/8t). 8-series CPUs have better single core performance than 6- or 7-series (I posted link above). Also as I understand, the guy has limited budget, so i7-6700k + motherboard with overclock support isn't the best option in terms of performance/price.
2017-09-21 12:34
Delete system32 files they really affect your fps
2017-09-21 11:00
#21
jks | 
Australia telozen 
there we gooo, wouldn't be HLTV without troll reply ;D
2017-09-21 11:02
#29
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Croatia mds818 
duh both cpu and gpu but you have to buy intel's cpu
2017-09-21 11:07
#31
jks | 
Australia telozen 
thank you moj tata je jaci od tvog tate xx
2017-09-21 11:08
#32
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Croatia mds818 
lmao
2017-09-21 11:09
#36
Vietnam t4y 
man AMD fx is trash i had a 8350 and swapped it for a i7 2700k so much more fps
2017-09-21 11:17
#40
jks | 
Australia telozen 
yeah, i should have researched more performance wise for the CPU. I fried my old one (shitty intel one from like 2010) and just went for the first one that looked decent.
2017-09-21 11:20
#39
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Croatia HLTV_SHITTER 
gtx 1050ti ez for 150$
2017-09-21 11:20
what about your psu? definitely upgrade cpu and gpu, also mobo if needed for new cpu
2017-09-21 11:20
#42
jks | 
Australia telozen 
my PSU is a new one that i got like 2 months ago, and it is really high quality. I'm thinking this atm: ibb.co/nk2V15 (not a screamer, just a sc link of my cart)
2017-09-21 11:22
no gpu? you will get a bottleneck if u get that cpu and use a GTX 670
2017-09-21 11:30
#48
jks | 
Australia telozen 
yeah but i cant afford to fork out $1000 at once ....
2017-09-21 11:42
you already have 10 gb ram why would you need more? get an i5 6500 and GTX 1060 and enjoy ur 300 fps i5 6500 and gtx 1060 costed me 500 euros, idk how it is in your country tho
2017-09-21 12:40
#65
jks | 
Australia telozen 
if i get an i5, i'll need a new motherboard. and with the new motherboard, it only accepts ddr4 ram and i have ddr3 so i'll need more ram. So what you're saying is that I need: New GPU, New RAM, New Motherboard, New CPU. That's almost a full new PC, and an easy $1000 at least.
2017-09-21 13:33
#49
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India pantyRaider 
Wait for 8th generation Intel processors releasing in oct, upgrade CPU and Mobo for now.
2017-09-21 11:54
#52
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Slovakia ypsylonnn 
670 isnt that bad for cs fps , change cpu and mobo
2017-09-21 12:00
#53
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India pantyRaider 
also buy higher speed RAM like 2600mhz at least.
2017-09-21 12:04
#54
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Ukraine entryfragger 
Since noone here know shit about anything and are just misleading you let me give you quick and simple advice. Firstable, whoever says to you to get coffee lake is moron. Those Cpus may not be so expensive but will require Z370 Chipset to run, and they are overpriced mobos unless you are going high-end. Also, they will require 2666 ram, wich is currently 85€ for 8GB wich is insane. You can profit and since it release gor for i7 6700 or 7700 since price drop, and be happy with ur cpu for atleast 4 years. Another option is to go for Ryzen now, 1600, some aftermarket cooler and oc that for arround 4ghz to get Intel's SC performance and 6 cores. Keep in mind that ryzen+ is coming in early 2k18 but unlike Intel, Amd keeps same chipset for next 3 years of Ryzen production, so its more cost effective option. I would personaly go for Ryzen, however if you are Intel fanboy do what i said first, and its same value for performance. About GPU, go for GTX 1060, 3GB if ur 720p gamer and 6gb for 1080p. Its great GPU and IMO 6gb might be more expensive but its worth it. Dont bother with RX470, 570 since 1060 is much better option for same money. About RAM, get cheapest one, difference between 1333hz and 2666 ia literally 4%, and you can always keep it smaller by overlocking its easiest thing to do. And, always keep extra cash for future upgrading. You never know whats coming in 1yr or 2. Gl.
2017-09-21 12:18
#58
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Slovakia ypsylonnn 
Wasnt even reading the whole reply, just the gpu part, and I can say, that theres no need to overpay for the 6gb 1060 over the 3gb one, theres like 10% difference between those 2. And the 670is decent for CS, and there would be a huge bottleneck with any new i7. I would say he should just buy any i5 and he is fine, ur answer basically means he has to buy a whole new pc, since you want to upgrade gpu cpu, then he has to upgrade RAM and probably his PSU too.
2017-09-21 12:27
#59
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Ukraine entryfragger 
6gb will be more useful in the future, its pretty good card and it would be shame that gets dragged by only lack of vram. In CSGO and cpu intenisive games there is 0% diffrence i agree, thats why i said if he is going for 1080p in other games I'm afraid 4gb of vram would be standard in year or so. My whole post is about overall gaming, not only csgo. If he only cares about csgo get some cheap Xeon and some old mobo and you will get same performance like 1.5k pc today. Keep in mind csgo runs old engine and dont even utilize more than like 3, 4 cores? If he gets brand new parts, than deffinetly go for Intel than, read first part of what i wrote. Even overlocked amd sometimes wont match intel sc strenght, and csgo depends of it mostly
2017-09-21 12:37
#69
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Slovakia ypsylonnn 
Ye i know, from what he wrote i understood that he plays CS only, especially when he is askin it on hltv
2017-09-21 14:32
probably cpu, though that would mean also your mobo and likely ram. but you should try to figure out what your bottleneck is. also 10gb of ram is a weird ammount, if you have different types of ram mixed this can cause issues. what is the price your willing to spend?
2017-09-21 12:41
#64
jks | 
Australia telozen 
4+4+2 gb, i've removed the 2gb so i'm on 8gb now. And i'm willing to spend as much as I can save. My cart atm is $450 and I have ~$200 cash saved and about $300 in skins i'm willing to cash out.
2017-09-21 13:32
Get a real processor, none of that AMD crap c:
2017-09-21 13:44
#67
jks | 
Australia telozen 
trying ;D
2017-09-21 14:03
Sorry to post in your thread mate...can i run cs go with this laptop? Msi GP 2PE Leopard
2017-09-21 14:12
#70
jks | 
Australia telozen 
hahaha i wouldnt know but chances are yes
2017-09-22 01:20
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