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SPAIN WTF???
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African Union ArisA 
Why catalonien wanna depart from Spain??? That is like Barcelona the best city in spain. Is it because of the economic? The muslims? What is it, and what is the overall opinion about catalonien now?
2017-09-21 16:43
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because shit EU and his economic programs
2017-09-21 16:45
#5
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African Union ArisA
What, i don't think they wanna leave because of EU. But i can understand if there is an economic benefit, considering spain is really poor.
2017-09-21 16:47
They already said that they want to join the EU if they are an independant state you retard
2017-09-21 16:47
+1
2017-09-21 21:23
they want to leave Spain and join EU xDDDDDDDDDD
2017-09-21 23:58
never go full retard xd
2017-09-21 23:59
yes but they can't join.
2017-09-22 11:06
Maybe they just want to be independant because they have their own history/ culture?
2017-09-21 16:46
+100
2017-09-21 21:23
#171
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Myanmar xdavidlm
+ we want more self government
2017-09-22 10:31
Then Spain would be divided in 5 or 6 different countries, not to mention rest of EU and the UK... And idk why would they want more self government if they already have their own tax and economic control, like every province in Spain. If they think their taxes are high, they should Talk first with catalonian government rather than the Spanish, they have 2 or 3 things to say about hidden taxes heheh
2017-09-23 11:47
#7
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Portugal mrsc
its a long story but apparently this has been going on for decades. think it goes far back to the middle age and theyre claiming some lands. kind of like the israeli-palestinian conflict if im not mistaken, only way less violent
2017-09-21 16:47
#9
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African Union ArisA
Wow in all my years i never heard of this conflict before, i thought most spanish people like their history.
2017-09-21 16:49
#10
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Portugal mrsc
#4 sums it all up really
2017-09-21 16:50
It is another region of Spain, but have'nt u ear about ETA ?
2017-09-21 17:00
It's been predicted for many years that Catalonia will be the 1 of new countries in the future
2017-09-22 13:03
2017-09-21 16:48
#176
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Myanmar xdavidlm
Ye, i was there. Thats cuz spanish paramilitary raided and detained catalonian government members. youtube.com/watch?v=cLoXI1da_2Q
2017-09-22 10:41
please learn spain history before asking stupid questions
2017-09-21 16:50
#12
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African Union ArisA
Yeah i see that is a stupid question, WOW because everybody knows about "catalonien".
2017-09-21 16:50
#13
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Japan Amamiya
Not everyone learns about every country, especially for younger people. There are no stupid questions.
2017-09-21 16:51
#186
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Slovenia KeiKanJou
we had to learn about catalonia when we were young wtf
2017-09-22 10:55
#14
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Spain namiz
Catalonia wanna leave from Spain because of this reasons: - Catalan people pay a lot of taxes that are going to Spanish Government and Catalonia wants to make their own economy. - Catalonia wants to have their own government becoming a republic. - Catalonia is the richer statue on Spain and the spanish government don't hear their proposals. CATALONIA BEING INDEPENDENCE WILL BE RICHER THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW.
2017-09-21 16:52
#15
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African Union ArisA
Yeah you basically answered my question what i 100% wanted to hear.
2017-09-21 16:53
#19
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Spain namiz
I live in a catalan city then i live the independence in 1st person and the Spanish Government don't let Catalonia do the referendum votation which the catalans would vote if they want to become independent or not. Then Spain don't let democracy happen in Catalonia
2017-09-21 16:55
Do you think a civil war is possible? Do you fear a civil war? Would you fight in a civil war?
2017-09-21 17:00
#37
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United Kingdom Hammondo
The EU would intervene at a civil war.
2017-09-21 17:07
#39
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African Union ArisA
Yeah because EU is so great at Civil Wars, when Civil war starts, Russia and USA will take sides with any other superpower (india and china maybe) and EU will have no say.
2017-09-21 17:08
#44
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Are you high? nevermind why, but HOW would Russia, USA, India, or China intervene?
2017-09-21 17:11
#56
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African Union ArisA
We should never underrate the possibility of a Civil war in Spain, i think the last Civil War in Spain was in 1950 and it still affects them today, calling each other facists, because one side in Spain in that Civil war was facists. Back to your question. We can always look back at Syria and use this as an exsample. One side wanted democracy = the rebels, and the other side wanted the government usually in these types of predicaments, USA sides with democracy and Russia sides with governments. But why do they want to side with one of those sides, shouldn't they just fuck off? Well as a superpower, they can't let one side get a new ally. Because the side that wins will remember who supported them. And that side would usually become Russia friendly or USA friendly. So back to question how would Russia, and USA, India or China intervene. Well my guess would be because Spain is so EU and USA friendly, even though they are not a democracy, they will find a weird reason to side with them. And then Russia would support Catalonia. And how they will support them is usually by Airstrikes, weaponry and humanitarian goods. China usually supports a side if they can see economically reason (Like the time they sold Airplanes to African countries etc). India usually don't interfere in other countries bussiness
2017-09-21 17:35
#78
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United Kingdom Hammondo
You did not answer my question, HOW?.
2017-09-21 17:59
#84
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African Union ArisA
Had to search up the meaning of intervene again. If there is a Civil nobody can prevent it because of Russia and USA. The War will continue because of the bigger dogs wanting more power.
2017-09-21 18:02
#86
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United Kingdom Hammondo
You still did not answer my question. How are any of the countries going to intervene?
2017-09-21 18:03
#97
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African Union ArisA
"And how they will support them is usually by Airstrikes, weaponry and humanitarian goods."
2017-09-21 18:14
#99
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United Kingdom Hammondo
So you think these countries are going to come into EU territory, without permission, and start ww3?
2017-09-21 18:14
#100
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African Union ArisA
Nobody is going to start world war over Spain. Russia flies over Europe all the time.
2017-09-21 18:15
#104
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Russia has permission to do certain things at certain times, they are not allowed to just go over as they like.
2017-09-21 18:16
#110
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African Union ArisA
They fly over Denmark all the time, and now sweden has done missions to show Russia they won't allow them to control their seas. Sweden have troubles with Russia a lot. But i guess If EU does the same thing Turkey did, they won't go to World War 3 because of Spain, but i doubt EU would blow up a Russia airplane to Risk a reason for Russia to invade us.
2017-09-21 18:20
#111
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United Kingdom Hammondo
The second that start doing any Military action then it would start a war.
2017-09-21 18:21
#113
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African Union ArisA
Depends would EU see cata and Spain as EU, if a Civil War broke out, like just look at the Balkan.
2017-09-21 18:22
#115
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Yes they would, because these would be EU citizens. Which Balkan EU countries did they ignore?
2017-09-21 18:24
#117
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African Union ArisA
You overrate EU's military control of the world. And i talked about EU being Passive in Balkan yeah they had soliders but they were passive.
2017-09-21 18:26
#120
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United Kingdom Hammondo
When?
2017-09-21 18:28
#121
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African Union ArisA
Well when croatia rushed a border, killed peacekeepers, and the peacekeepers had to pull out because they were ordered not to kill them, and they had to wait for new orders.
2017-09-21 18:29
#124
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Which border? was it a country that was in the EU at the time?
2017-09-21 19:36
he is talking about Serbia, which was russian communists shithole. This dude has no idea what he is talking about
2017-09-21 23:52
#170
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United Kingdom Hammondo
I didn't think he did. Thanks for your reply.
2017-09-22 10:27
lol Russia attacking member of NATO, are u high? NATO will interfare without UN permission to defend its ally from separatists from Catalonia. Thats it.
2017-09-21 23:51
the fascists won the war in spain while the world was watching and the nato allowed a dictatorship that lasted for like 30 years or more, and its still present in some dumb ass people. btw there was only one fascist side.
2017-09-22 00:08
#174
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Myanmar xdavidlm
Last Spanish Civil war was on 1936-1939. Fascists won over republicans. Today still recognizable the "2 Spains". While Catalonia is still republican there are other regions in Spain that are not (not calling them fascists btw). Dictatorship ended 40 y ago and a democratic constitution ruled out. This constitution was very influenced by the army and dictator fascists. thats why a lot of people wants to change the constitution, while a lot of other people thinks that the constitution is like a Bible. Sorry 4 my english btw
2017-09-22 10:39
#192
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Spain leonsegui
The people from cataluña, including their government aren't trying to establish democracy or something like that by doing the referendum, despite they are just jumping over the democracy we have in the country, as asking for independence in this particular referendum which has been cancelled is totally illegal.
2017-09-22 11:00
not sure if bait, dumb or not informed
2017-09-22 00:02
From what i've seen the situation is pretty tense. Until now everything is peaceful but that can change really quick. That's why i asked someone who is directly affected by this and probably knows more about the situation than i do. If you would know history a little bit you'd know that it doesn't need much for a civil war start. You fuckin goof. Is it to hot where you live? Has the sun grilled your brain to much? Asking some legit questions (not even to you) and some random fuckface comes and rants at me lol
2017-09-22 06:54
#179
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Myanmar xdavidlm
I live in barcelona, im catalan. Yes, the situation is really tense. Spain send to Catalonia around 10.000 police to avoid catalans to vote. As well they raided and detenaid catalan government members. youtube.com/watch?v=cLoXI1da_2Q Cant see a spanish civil war cuz that. But some violence can happen. Hope not.
2017-09-22 10:46
#172
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Myanmar xdavidlm
na. Im from Barcelona. Catalonia wont reach independence, but hopefully we will have more self government and control our own taxes and finances
2017-09-22 10:32
PERO QUE DICES GILIPOLLAS SI YA LO HACEIS, SI EL GOVERN OS TIENE MAS ENGAÑAOS QUE VAMOS TIO, ID A CLASE DE HISTORIA OTRA VEZ Y ASI APRENDEREIS QUE ES EL MITO DEL NACIONALISMO Y POR QUE ES ESTUPIDO CREER EN EL CIEGAMENTE COMO ESTAIS HACIENDO
2017-09-22 23:49
#235
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Myanmar xdavidlm
No me va el fanatismo lo siento
2017-09-23 00:54
Vaya no te va el fanatismo pero es exactamente en lo que has caído. Buena esa.
2017-09-23 10:09
#237
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Myanmar xdavidlm
Lo dices como si fuese indepe o nacionalista español, como tú
2017-09-23 10:49
1. No soy catalán 2. Los motivos que tenéis pa quejaros los tiene también el resto de España respecto a Andalucia, y si os suben los impuestos en Cataluña es por vuestro govern, no por el central. Si de verdad quisieseis arreglar la situación apoyarías el centralismo y el diálogo (culpa del gobierno central eso si) no el nacionalismo. 3. Esta claro que eres independentista. Quien cojones lo llama indepe si no lo es el mismo??
2017-09-23 10:56
Democracy means everybody should vote. Once you're not a independent country yet, in order to have a referendum, the central government should call it (because the Cataluña one has no power for it), and everybody in spain have to vote, not only the people from Cataluña.
2017-09-22 11:18
Finally someone Who talks and knows about It. Cataluña hasnt search any other way to vote besides illegality, nor the government has helped. Yet It is stupid, their arguments and all of them, weak brainwashed people Btw they dont have balls to do It, not like euskadi
2017-09-22 23:54
Que pena q estéis así de engañados y d lavados de cerebro. El problema reside en que no buscáis una manera válida para hacerla, y os dicen no es legal, y vosotros seguís como unos retrasados. No solo vuestros argumentos son estúpidos, sino q encima vivís de los mejores de España. Yo viviendo en Aragón me siento totalmente eclipsado monetariamente comparando me con Cataluña, y hemos tenido oportunidades para invertir en energía eólica y otros buenos planes pero el dinero iba para vosotros y los andaluces. Al menos si vais a cometer un error hacedlo bien joder, y dejad de ser pesadicos q en las noticias estáis todos los días. Aunque es cierto que el gobierno no ha ayudado nada al asunto y que Rajoy ha dicho "ya q Cataluña la tengo perdida pues me aseguro votos en el resto de España", vuestro plan no tiene ni pies ni cabeza
2017-09-22 23:46
And Barca will still playing in Spanish league?
2017-09-21 16:53
#18
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African Union ArisA
LUL what a REKT THEN. if they have to make their own league.
2017-09-21 16:54
#20
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Spain namiz
Barça and Español will play same league like Monaco does in French league because it is interesting for both teams because of money.
2017-09-21 16:55
Huh, that's good.
2017-09-21 16:56
#28
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Spain SlaaMM
nice try bro hahaha barcelona and espanyol wont go to spanish league so nice try 9/10
2017-09-21 17:01
EZ LaLiga for Barca
2017-09-21 17:02
#34
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Spain namiz
Tebas dijo que el Barcelona entraria en la liga española. crack
2017-09-21 17:04
#36
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Spain SlaaMM
tebas dijo que si se independizara se irian a tomar por culo a su liga jaja nice try coolega
2017-09-21 17:05
#42
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Spain namiz
No dijo eso tonto!!! Haz una reflexión, el barça jugara en otra liga?
2017-09-21 17:11
It is impossible for Barca to play in another league
2017-09-21 17:19
No estas muy bien informado compi marca.com/futbol/primera-division/2017/0..
2017-09-21 17:53
#116
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Spain SlaaMM
ostia vaya rekt namizz si se han mostrado a favor de la independencia que se vayan con todas sus consecuencias ;)
2017-09-21 18:26
We welcome Barca in french league if u want. So it will be easier for PSG to buy out your best players.
2017-09-21 17:02
You can't buy Messi Messi is priceless
2017-09-21 17:03
fuente: canaletas
2017-09-22 00:53
biggest issue amirite
2017-09-22 00:01
#21
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Japan Amamiya
Do you think the EU will support a rogue state? Do you even think Spain will let Catalonia become independant? It is not even legal for any province to separate, so they don't NEED to allow it. I don't see how Catalonia can survive alone, it sure has a strong economy but surviving perfectly on its own, while the EU refuse to give it help, and Spain cuts off relations... Not exactly the most wise idea. Every country has problems, try to fix them instead of breaking everything that's already built.
2017-09-21 16:56
Tourism ?? FC Barcelona ? They can fuckin live so good
2017-09-21 16:57
#26
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Japan Amamiya
Oh yeah, like that's absolutely everything needed to have a stable country. Nothing is ever needed from outside right?
2017-09-21 17:01
What is needed to have a stable country that Catalonia doesn't have? EU is for free determination of the people, and EU is leading the world in human rights. Why the fuck EU would not trade with Catalonia? Spain today is a burden for EU, without Catalonia it will became Greece 2.0 so if EU have to choose between these two, guess who?
2017-09-21 17:06
EU&USA can just set a full embargo on Catalonia and it will turn to North Korea lol. Plus sanctions that will ban any person or company from having any economic relations with Catalonia.
2017-09-21 23:54
Why would they do that?
2017-09-21 23:57
I just suppose. I dont know what spanish govt. think and what they might do if Catalonia tries to make referendum without a permission. But lets suppose, member of NATO&EU > Spain states that its country security is threatened by separatists and every step made to separate Catalonia from Spain will be perceived as a treason(for officials, policemen etc.) and a very serious threat to Spain. At this point NATO might support its member, so UN(which is useless btw) can't do anything, while lets say Russia or even China can veto any resolution to stop violation of democracy in Spain principles etc. NATO security is now tested for strength after the challenge from Russia, and if Spanish officials will not allow Catalonia to become independent, Catalonia will be left without supporters. In this scenario Catalonia and its people will end up in horrible situation which has no good final for them.
2017-09-22 00:08
Tell me when Catalonia independentist have been using violent mean?
2017-09-22 01:05
If Madrid does not allow to hold a referendum then how the hell they can become independent?
2017-09-22 01:16
10/10 arguments idiot lol
2017-09-21 17:03
#40
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United Kingdom Hammondo
How is it a rogue state exactly? How is it not legal for a province to separate? I do not remember the EU saying they will not recognise Catalonia if they get independence.
2017-09-21 17:09
Isn't it not legal for scottland to leave gb aswell?
2017-09-22 16:27
#210
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United Kingdom Hammondo
It is perfectly legal lol.
2017-09-22 16:31
#73
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Ukraine vols
If Catalonia leaves, they will only leave by means of a democratic referendum. Of course, Spain will not like it, but as a democracy, they will accept the results and recognize Catalonia. If they don't, EU and USA will push them to do so. All Western Democracies support self-determination of people and hence, providing no major violations of referendum procedures take place, everyone will accept Catalonia, have no doubts about it.
2017-09-21 17:57
are you fucking retarded? most of spanish industry is located in Catalonia. It's literally spain's wealthiest region and industrial powerhouse.
2017-09-22 00:01
this.
2017-09-22 00:31
"Do you think the EU will support a rogue state? Do you even think Spain will let Catalonia become independant? It is not even legal for any province to separate, so they don't NEED to allow it." - How uninformed are you? First, catalonia wouldn't be rogue. They was forced into the spanish dictatorship under Franco. The spanish government won't let them have an independency vote because they are afraid of the outcome and losing one of their highest economically sustainable regions. Catalonia would be receiving plenty of support from outside Spain due to the actions of the spanish government, which is mainly ignoring the voice of Catalonia when it comes to all important decisions. This would be like Macedonia, Kosovo, Albania etc breaking free from Yugoslavia. At the end they all received recognition as sovereign states by the EU, some sooner than others. This will be no different. Also, Catalonia already have a structure in place to make sure they can function as a sovereign nation without Spain. "breaking everything that's already built." - Sorry, we don't break things like the US does as it's only solution.
2017-09-22 10:39
#181
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Myanmar xdavidlm
Take a look on 7th Article of European Union Constitution. If Spain uses military over population to avoid a referendum. Spain will be automatically suspended from Eur Union. Catalonia has support from Israel and other countries. Not interesting 4 NATO or european countries, not control Catalonia. Imagine Russia having military bases on Catalonia. anyways Catalonia wont be independent.
2017-09-22 10:49
#222
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Japan Amamiya
There is no need to use military on catalonia. It is also better for states to remain unified. Makes a country powerful. Plus the culture is very similar anyway. The most important EU countries surely won't approve that. France mostly as they also have some catalan lands and if catalonia becomes independant, tensions may rise on the other side of the border and such movements could motivate other provinces all over europe to do the same, for many reasons. I don't see how this is a sign of stability to make europe fragment back to how it was in the middle ages. Especially not with centralization that happened. Plus the referendum would need an absolute majority, a very high percentage of people in favor of independance. 51% to 70% wouldn't be enough because then, independant catalonia will have to deal with pro spaniards. Who's to say it won't go to hell and unlegitimize catalonia as a state and create instability within Europe? It may or may not happen but I'm taking examples from History and overall human behavior. Strengthening unity and giving catalonia enough freedom within Spain is fine enough. People seem to forget why Spain unified. Sure, for power of a monarch but also because it strengthened the state and turned it into the first superpower of the world. People's opinions often don't matter as they are unable to make choices for their own little lives, why would the Spanish government and the Royal Family even sacrifice Spain's power and stability for people who can't see further than the tip of their nose and obviously cannot lead a country. Certain matters cannot be decided by the people. It's too important.
2017-09-22 18:31
Yes: -All big compenies, like coca cola, will leave Cataluna, so there will massive losss of jobs. -People that are state officials, police, doctors, etc that are paid by spanish goverment.. will Cataluna be able to hold their jobs? -No, Barcelona wont be able to play in Spanish League. -Cataluna won't be accepted in the EU. -Cataluna is not the richest state in Spain. Pais Vasco, Madrid, Navarra, are richer, so stop lying.
2017-09-21 17:01
Doctors are not paid by the central government in Catalonia and some other regions, although the government does pay money to Catalonia's healthcare system. Similar thing with the police forces, cuz it's not the same thing talking about Guardia Civil or Policía Nacional which are Madrid-dependant, or talking about Guardia Urbana or Mossos d'Esquadra which are Generalitat's and Barcelona's dependant.
2017-09-21 17:07
#41
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Who said the EU wont accept them?
2017-09-21 17:10
EU
2017-09-21 18:16
#105
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Source?
2017-09-21 18:16
He's retarded, just leave him be to his own demise.
2017-09-22 10:41
#213
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United Kingdom Hammondo
You gotta ask these questions to show everyone hes talking nonsense.
2017-09-22 16:31
- Big compagnies goes where customers are. So they will not leave, especially since Catalan people are richer than rest of spain. - Cataluna pay more taxes than they get back. Today it support the rest of Spain, if they got indépendance they will have no problem to pay, it is another story for rest of Spain. - Do you thing football matter in geopolitical conflict and even if Spanish league kick them out, French league will be please to accept them. - About not being accepted in EU, it might not appen, but Switzerland, Norway, etc are not in EU. Is it a big problem? - Madrid is a city, Cataluna is more than that.
2017-09-21 17:11
Football doesn't matter ? Barca will not play in French League wtf, it's impossible.
2017-09-21 17:13
Monaco don't play in french league u are right.
2017-09-21 17:34
He probably believes monaco = france, lol.
2017-09-22 10:42
#81
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Ukraine vols
They will definitely be accepted to the EU, 100%. If they don't end up in the EU it would only be because of their own decision.
2017-09-21 18:00
It was already said they wont be accepted, what they try to do is illegal, so it doesnt go anywhere. it's a crime. Other thing is what catalonian people feel. but they cant do what they desire to.
2017-09-21 18:18
#122
JW | 
Ukraine vols
> It was already said they wont be accepted Link please. Also, referendums are not illegal, not in Spain anyway.
2017-09-21 18:37
Like for big compagnies, this guy is just making up things.
2017-09-21 23:45
after World War 1 France, UK, Italy, Portugal and some countries of europe all made part in lets say " world peace " program wich said " for every nation of people there must be a country of their own" cuz hitler slaved the polish people together with a bunch of races in one country alone, so Cataluna can ask to leave if they say the have different cultures from the rest of the country even their spanish is slightly different and they can survive monetery wise very easily I mean for them its great, for the rest of europe will be caos and Spain will face severe damageus in their economy I might even say they will fall apart
2017-09-22 00:22
Big companies said they will leave Cataluna so it's n ot my words, it was already said by them. If football matter? Sadly yes, and many people wold change their mind if Barcelona wont be accepted to play in spanish league.
2017-09-21 18:19
Any link about this statement of big companies? Or u just dream about it?
2017-09-21 23:44
thats the same that saying that the UK will fall apart cuz all the banks will move since they made the move to brexit
2017-09-22 00:24
The Basque country is the richest part of Spain/capta.
2017-09-21 21:23
#182
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Myanmar xdavidlm
Yes, but not many people and low gdp cuz their size. Catalonia is around 21% spanish gdp, way more than countries like Portugal who have 10.5 million pop while catalonia is around 7.5mill.
2017-09-22 10:52
but is it a good thing to do the referendum to become independent? how do you see this problem, good or bad? how about other regions in europe who've got the same issues, is it a good thing for them to become independent? is it good to split up europe more than it is right now?
2017-09-22 07:02
#184
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Myanmar xdavidlm
Independence is only good if Spain agrees to make a Referendum, and with Rajoy or Popular Party that wont happen. Thats why every day there are more independentists. Especially with acts like this: youtube.com/watch?v=cLoXI1da_2Q
2017-09-22 10:53
Because we have a stupid central government which thinks every other nationalism apart from the spanish one is a "dictatorship" and "antidemocratic", if you watch the polls four years ago, there were still people who would want independence but it wasn't the biggest majority. What the majority did want was a fucking referendum to decide whether to declare independence or not, Madrid's government said "nah, it's not in the Constitution, and we can't modify that" which is a fucking big fat lie, and now most of Catalonia is united politically and socially against the Madrid government. Fuck, I even think many people like me from other parts of Spain who don't want them to go independent support their right to decide whether or not to be. ALSO, I do get it, fuck, if Galicia was as rich as Catalonia right now I'd actually see in independence a great way out of the AWFUL government we have. TL;DR Spain's government sucks and Catalonia wants to decide whether or not to go independent.
2017-09-21 17:05
Man, be careful, u can't criticize a right government on hltv. And Johnathan E. being spanish wont help ur case for sure.
2017-09-21 17:12
#46
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African Union ArisA
Oh shit i forgot about Johnathan E. He might be super triggered about a subject like this.
2017-09-21 17:13
True, but I don't care anymore. Even a rightist should realize spanish People's Party is a corrupted nightmare.
2017-09-21 18:10
Is it bad because it does not allow to provide a referendum(via changing Constitution) or generally bad? Because you don't have to separate if the Madrids govt. is so ignorant, as you can just unite against your govt. to change it. Democracy has always "the other hand" and on the other hand the rule of law is important as well. Another govt. might lower taxes and implement decentralization to make Catalonia benefit from its regional economy. I think thats a perfect solution.
2017-09-22 00:21
Spains central govt still lives under the spirit of Franco, with some regions being more important than others in their point of view. Easily seen throughout their decisionmaking and where the resources go. The decentralization will never happen because then they would lose their state of supremacy and ability to control the "less important" regions to the degree that is beneficial to them.
2017-09-22 10:47
Generally bad. I wouldn't support independence otherwise as I'm not a nationalist and I don't believe in flags and segregation.
2017-09-23 12:39
#48
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Albania streetfame
i realized how braindead you are after reading "The muslims?"
2017-09-21 17:14
#49
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African Union ArisA
Dont underrate the fear of muslims, remember BREXIT?
2017-09-21 17:15
#50
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Albania streetfame
are you really this fucking retarded ?
2017-09-21 17:16
#51
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African Union ArisA
No i am not, an used argument to criticize governments are usually about how they could let so many refugees in and the border controll have been weak and all that shit.
2017-09-21 17:17
#54
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Albania streetfame
Catalonia wants their autonomy since 1931–1939, wtf are you talking about muslims you uneducated fuck
2017-09-21 17:27
#58
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African Union ArisA
This was an question before i knew that, and knowing about Catalonia isn't part of any education unless you live close to those countries. You can't deny a lot of EU countries want out because of refugees.
2017-09-21 17:37
#68
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Albania streetfame
do you think Kosovo ( where i live ) is near Catalonia to know that?
2017-09-21 17:52
#72
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African Union ArisA
No that is balkan, right in the middle of Albania and Serbia, a lot of conflict there because Kosovo has people that identify as Albanian and Serbian. I talked about Balkan before, hahahaa. Note : Serbia means Kosovo belongs to them but because so many people wants to be albanian is the main reason of the conflict
2017-09-21 17:55
#79
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Albania streetfame
Kosovo is and was always 98% albanians, get your facts straight
2017-09-21 17:59
#89
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Serbia SuperShark
Here is the "fight" because of kosovo: A lot of albanians live there like streetafame said about 80-90% but kosovo is Serbian by history (I don't want to get into the an argument) So that whole story is fucked can we stay on the why does Catalonia want to become independent
2017-09-21 18:03
yeah like: by history France is Spain but there live 98% french people, logic?
2017-09-21 18:28
Can we both agree that this is stupid and if 2 people that are not retarded could finish this in a week?
2017-09-21 18:51
Yeah this is stupid and tbh i dont care about this stuff because we got our indepedence. Peace
2017-09-21 21:20
Peace homie
2017-09-21 21:31
#91
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African Union ArisA
Yeah well my facts were straight. Didn't i say many people that identify themselves as Albanians? And because there is so many there also have been attacks towards the Serbians there, isn't this a part of the conflict too?
2017-09-21 18:04
#98
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Albania streetfame
"there have been attacks towards the Serbians there" where the fuck are you getting these deluded infos m8?
2017-09-21 18:14
#160
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Serbia ;mytH
Dont bother mate, thats a classic rookie mistake when you are arguing with the albanian. They will attack you for the opinion you have if it differs from their own, if you agree with them usually they will suck your phallus and build your statue in the middle of the city,,,
2017-09-22 00:49
look at your homie at #129, stop this bullshit hate just accept the fact that Kosovo is indepedent and we dont give a shit about you guys anymore, jet let us live in peace.
2017-09-22 12:59
#203
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Serbia ;mytH
Im not responsible for other peoples opinion. Regardless what you say, Kosovo and Metohija is not what you say it is and thats the truth...
2017-09-22 15:36
how brainwashed do you have to be to not accept the truth that Kosovo is indepedent and is recognized by over 120 countries. imgur.com/a/u6qvH I dont think you can participate in the Olympic games without beeing an indepedent country. imgur.com/a/VxREk I dont think you can be part of FIFA and UEFA either bye homie and peace out.
2017-09-22 16:20
#205
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Serbia ;mytH
Cause it isnt?
2017-09-22 16:25
google is your friend
2017-09-22 16:26
#212
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Serbia ;mytH
My friend google said this: i.imgur.com/GFL0OAa.png which is not impressive at all...
2017-09-22 16:31
exactly, who cares about shitholes like russia and brazil to get recognitons from. Spain didnt recognize us because of Catalonia, just look closely at the map bro, the biggest and strongest countries did recognize us, you just have to accept the truth why are you still trying i dont get it
2017-09-22 16:34
#215
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Serbia ;mytH
I will show you something impressive: i.imgur.com/TLBU74Z.png . Now is the time you actually shut the f up...
2017-09-22 16:38
keep digging you will find the truth one day lmao
2017-09-22 16:39
#218
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Serbia ;mytH
Im not really interested in hearing the "truth" from a random dude on the internet...
2017-09-22 16:42
no man i dont really give a f about this shit if you believe me or not, at the end of the day none of us 2 will change anything, you will not accept what i say and i will not accept what you say. I have nothing against serbians i actually visited Belgrade and did hang out with serbian guys like normal people do. Peace homie we are still hooomans
2017-09-22 16:46
#188
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Slovenia KeiKanJou
did you know spain was conquered by muslims?
2017-09-22 10:57
we are talking about the year 2k17 and the Catalonian referendum to get indepedence, i arent think that muslims conquered Spain in 2k17 and thats the cause why Catalonia wants indepedence.
2017-09-22 13:01
#202
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Slovenia KeiKanJou
muslims were fighting against catalonians with franco, i bet they hate them
2017-09-22 13:59
maybe they hate them but i dont think thats the reason for the referendum to get indepedence
2017-09-22 16:27
#FreeCatalonia #SolidarityToCatalans Madrid's government,it's time to pay for what you did throughout the years to all regions of Spain.
2017-09-21 17:21
As french I support every movement who want to get rid of a king. We can give u our expertise how to kill him.
2017-09-21 17:35
not from Spain tho, but I agree with you.Could you also enlighten me when France got rid of any of their kings?
2017-09-21 17:38
#60
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African Union ArisA
LUL, when France got rid of their kings, that's when Europe got democracy bro.
2017-09-21 17:39
Democracy was in Europe before even France was created.It stopped during the Medieval period and started again around 2-3 centures ago.
2017-09-21 17:42
#64
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African Union ArisA
No the french revolution was the global decline of absolute monarchies and the monarchies got replaced by republics and liberal democracies. Yeah democracy was a idea long before that, but the replacement was because of france.
2017-09-21 17:44
can't argue with that.France was one of the main reasons we got what we do nowadays but my main question is when france got rid of any of their kings?(names/dates)for researching purposes. I just want to know with facts.Have a good day
2017-09-21 17:52
It is related to french revolution : Louis XVI and his wife Marie Antoinette, with their head chopped off. January, 21th 1793 10h22 AM.
2017-09-21 23:48
thanks for the information,appreciated.
2017-09-22 01:51
this shit is illegal and goes against the spanish law if want to make it legal ask the uk
2017-09-21 17:40
yeah because as we all know UK always do everything legally,such as: occupying foreign countries to loot,steal gold,take slaves,kill innocent ppl for themselves and etc.
2017-09-21 17:47
what does it have to do with making a legal referendum like in scotland idiot
2017-09-21 17:50
If a state of any country desires a referendum and they apply for it to the government,the government has to accept,It's illegal not to.
2017-09-21 18:03
ya i know that everyone here has a degree in political science keep making yourself look like an utter idiot that you are
2017-09-21 18:09
while im replying to you with facts you still calling me an idiot.Maybe you should start reading not necessary a political science book,any book of your preference to eradicate your anger.
2017-09-21 18:15
no im not arguing with experts that get their 'facts' from the internet and have no idea what they're talking about i don't think you have any degree to begin with cheers
2017-09-21 18:18
I didn't say I have a degree in political science but I told that you were wrong in my 1st reply by giving you facts and in return you called me an idiot.Nvm all of that,have a good day
2017-09-21 18:26
you are describing the US
2017-09-21 17:53
from where modern US ppl came from?How do the original americans look like?
2017-09-21 17:57
#75
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African Union ArisA
UK LUL
2017-09-21 17:57
they came from vaginas, and they look like people
2017-09-21 17:58
What a smartass we got over here,now go to the kitchen to recieve your cookies.
2017-09-21 17:59
youtube.com/watch?v=YbILGMJtVeY you've stolen the cookies already, won't fall for this bait.
2017-09-21 18:02
#87
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African Union ArisA
Come on be respectful, you are first guy i see in this debate that doesn't deserve to be here.
2017-09-21 18:03
Counter-Strike 1.6 > SPAIN WTF??? the whole thread doesnt belong here
2017-09-21 18:04
I'd prefer living in brazil than to live in your depressing shithole.
2017-09-21 18:06
1/8 at least you tried reuters.com/article/us-latam-climatechan.. we have to give you money so you could stop destroying the wood. Isn't that depressing ?
2017-09-21 18:09
""I'D prefer"" except for being depressed all the time do u also have problem in reading,nvm u are just low tier baiter.Have a nice day,Quite hard for the place you live.
2017-09-21 18:23
proly all in one.
2017-09-21 17:44
hope they get it
2017-09-21 17:53
" The muslims" everything is about islam and muslims nowadays.
2017-09-21 17:59
#134
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Algeria NS!
+1
2017-09-21 23:50
#190
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Slovenia KeiKanJou
you're right, but to ignore the problem...
2017-09-22 10:58
But how is becoming independent from Spain is gonna make Catalonia rich state? They won't be in EU anymore that means less tourism and you don't have any natural resources or anything. All you have is a beautiful city, great football team, and tourism. But I'm all for catalonians having their free will and being able to vote for becoming independent from Spain
2017-09-21 18:08
They want to be independent but still being a EU citizen. I live in Madrid and I understand them, we live in a "democracy" but we still have a king. If you said something against him you can go to the jail. I can say hundreds of thinks like this. To sum up, shit country.
2017-09-21 18:22
What? is it true? You might end up in jail if you say anything against the King? Sounds wild
2017-09-21 23:57
didn't you study history what the fuck? In democracy you have free speech, in monarchy your rights are restrained I still don't understand why spain doesn't becomes a democracy I mean they have a kind of one and they just pay the royal family to not do anything they live exactly like Kings for not doing shit
2017-09-22 00:28
Yeah but monarchy in Europe nowadays is like an ostentation, is not it? I dont know the local law, but in Sweden, Norway, Denmark it seems to be pretty democratically and i dont think you can end up in jail in these scandinavian countries for offending the royal family. In most EU countries if you sue someone for defamation you can only get an apologize or compen$ation.
2017-09-22 00:35
#189
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Myanmar xdavidlm
Yes, monarchy in Spain is like other Eu contries. But there are some stupid laws. U cant insult, or burn a king photo. If u do, u can go to jail (max 2 years)
2017-09-22 10:57
#187
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Myanmar xdavidlm
Yes.
2017-09-22 10:56
Having a king is the only reason Spain is still united. I'd rather have a king than some clown president elected by retards every 4 years.
2017-09-22 00:40
A kings dinasty imposed for a dictator is the best thing of my life
2017-09-25 16:26
#102
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Brazil l17arB
catalonien? denmark confirmed
2017-09-21 18:15
#106
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African Union ArisA
Yeah lol but i have said that many times on this forum that im actually from Denmark.
2017-09-21 18:17
Good luck to them, at least the Catalunians will get free from the regime of the EU.
2017-09-21 23:46
#166
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African Union ArisA
They want in anyways.
2017-09-22 06:55
#139
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Algeria NS!
Muslims here Muslims there, enough! we have absolutely nothing to do with it, we don't stand with anyone and we don't cheer to anyone, this doesn't concern us as muslims as we don't have any problems with anyone of them.
2017-09-21 23:55
#191
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Slovenia KeiKanJou
really? you dont have problems with christians, atheists and homosexuals?
2017-09-22 11:00
spanish goverment doesnt allow the people to give their opinion about their own freedom. As simple as that.
2017-09-22 00:05
#FREETAIWAN #FREECATALUNIA also some country annex Luxembourg, this isn't even a country, they speak 3+ languages and have no history and culture, just a place of foreigners, #FREEEU
2017-09-22 00:13
Been living in Barcelona 7 years and now I am living in Madrid close to 7 years, my dad works in Turkish Airlines and from my perspective its just easy as this: - The company pays you more in Barcelona because taxes are slightly higher on everything. - The company pays you less in Madrid because taxes are slightly less on everything. Also its because they have their own history, when catholic kings tried to reconquer Iberian peninsula these kings each of them attacked from one part; learnnc.org/lp/media/uploads/2007/09/149..
2017-09-22 00:40
they won't get independent anyway, at least no via regular ways. constitutionally is impossible. war is the only way.
2017-09-22 00:45
It'll be better for all people on Catalonia to be independent tbh, better economy than the rest of the country and a quite a fuckton of people. Also they share some culture differences that are minor overall but is still a point to consider. What i'm talking is from a guy that doesn't live on Spain and has barely any knowledge anyway so don't take my word over the one of someone that is more informed.
2017-09-22 07:01
The Basques deserve their own country more than Catalans imo. But I don't think anything will happen after all.
2017-09-22 07:31
Catalans dont even have half of the balls Basques do, and they think they can do It. Jejeje, nerds
2017-09-22 23:56
Catalonia free country??
2017-09-22 10:53
Reposting from another thread. Well the separatist movements got a lot of fuel from Brexit. Not only in Catalonia, but a lot of places in Europe. Catalonia is not even the best example, even though they’ve been making a lot of noise lately. Much the same thing kind happened in Belgium and Ireland. The case of Belgium and Catalonia is kind of similar. Both cases evolve around the fact that some parts of the county have their own identity. Both countries are multilinguistic societies, and in Belgium the languages doesn’t even get close to being similar. Flemish is… well Flemish. You have to witness it. Both cases are based on one part of the country feeling they are paying for the party. Of cause this is a simplistic version of a complex problem, but this is what’s at the core of the problem.
2017-09-22 10:54
#193
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Myanmar xdavidlm
What Spain has to lose from Catalan independence politico.eu/article/catalonia-independen..
2017-09-22 11:04
Catalonia Will lose the same or even more than Spain has to lose
2017-09-22 23:30
It is a really delicate question and despite I respect human rights I do not agree with separation of provinces in any country right now. It brings war, hatred and isolation. It is not gonna end good for Catalonia
2017-09-22 11:26
#198
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African Union ArisA
Yeah i guess yugoslavia can relate.
2017-09-22 11:27
Ofcourse you dont agree with it right now cuz you already got Nato to bomb us for wanting to keep kosovo serbian lol
2017-09-22 16:31
Watch Nato start bombing Spain cuz spain wont let them depart =))
2017-09-22 16:30
kys OP
2017-09-22 16:53
Any ignorant who studied history knows what spain was before the foundation in 15 century, and thats why they want the independence
2017-09-22 18:35
They are the 4th province in Spain receiving the most money in the country, yet they really think they get robbed. Well I live in Aragon, and we are absolutely eclipsed by catalonian and other closer regions. We could have been one of the biggest eolic energic producers in the world but noooooooo money for Andalucia and catalonia. They wanna be a republica, well, like most of the country. They really think they pay more taxes, well in my case my vote has less value than theirs because of voting system. Independence is just some shit invented by catalonian government so that people forget tax increases just to STEAL MORE. The problem is, even though, comes with the referendum, in their brainwashed head they think it's illegal because government wants. Well no, It is in the spanish constitution. They really think they can just go over the rules, and this makes no sense because they havent tried to negotiate It, It has no based statements and rational ones, it's just useless bullshit that doesnt make sense. They didnt base their thoughts like science would, it's more like a religion, the nacionalism.
2017-09-22 23:29
#229
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Denmark Xipingu
HELLO? HISTORY CLASS MAYBE? L2P
2017-09-22 23:48
puta madre
2017-09-22 23:50
because they think they can be a country xd
2017-09-22 23:58
Independent 40% Non-independent 60%
2017-09-23 13:40
How can u know that? Female intuition?
2017-09-23 13:54
Xdddd por sondeos. No son exactos pero no creo que se equivoque en más de un 15%. Entonces aunque sean mayoría se sigue marginando a muchísima gente
2017-09-23 14:03
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