Lekr0 | 
CIS lepestos 
It's true. Although I didn't really like them, you could't compare any other team with them those times
2017-09-23 10:03
haha any team ? LDLC/ENVYUS Used to fuck them in the ass, then they did that famous coward boost on overpass but still got eliminated
2017-09-23 12:06
LDLC NEVER beat this fnatic on LAN in a bo3 with shox and SmithZz if you ignore DreamHack Winter 2014 what are you talking about?
2017-09-23 12:07
still, they would have won without that boost, then Envyus came in 2015 and fucked them again and again except that ESL one cologne when Kennys under-performed in the final game
2017-09-23 12:11
2017-09-23 12:10
fnatic vs LDLC/EnVyUs (with shox and SmithZz) on LAN in bo3/5 hltv.org/matches/2293394/fnatic-vs-ldlc-.. (fnatic 2-0) hltv.org/matches/2293431/ldlc-vs-fnatic-.. (fnatic 3-1) hltv.org/matches/2293634/ldlc-vs-fnatic-.. (boost) hltv.org/matches/2294142/envyus-vs-fnati.. (fnatic 2-1) hltv.org/matches/2295396/fnatic-vs-envyu.. (fnatic 2-0) hltv.org/matches/2295619/fnatic-vs-envyu.. (fnatic 2-1) When EnVyUs got kennyS and apEX they were able to beat fnatic but only after the major where fnatic got worse anyway. After fnatic adding dennis EnVyUs still beat them until January 2016 but then they never met in a bo3/5 again. Anyway fnatic still won the events in the event so who cares?
2017-09-23 12:17
2017-09-23 12:36
You could argue either fnatic got worse, or other teams started to rise to higher levels (luminosity, astralis, faze, G2, even virtus pro had their peak moments, liquid, north, gambit)
2017-09-25 23:53
fnatic simply got worse.
2017-09-25 23:56
In what do you base this claim? I followed the scene during fnatic's fall, and to me its clear that CSGO became much more competitive
2017-09-26 00:01
olofmeister got injured ---> teamplay got destroyed when he came back ---> stupid shuffle Dunno why everyone think the scene got more conpetitive. Teams/players are still doing the same mistakes.
2017-09-26 00:04
olofmeister got injured yes, but why would fnatic's teamplay get destroyed? they had great teamplay from the get go with dennis, I dont see how his absence for a period would 'destroy' their teamplay. Look at the example of SK, they had fer absent for a while, they changed FNX for felps, and are still playing great.
2017-09-26 00:07
First of all the teamplay with dennis was never as good as with pronax. olofmeister was out for 2+ months. fnatic didnt know when he would come back so they had to play like a real team with plessen and then with wenton. They HAD to do new stuff which olofmeister didnt know off as he wasnt praccing with them. fer was on a hiatus for just one month where they just played online games anyway. Also they never won a tournament afterwards without changing their roster which also took like 7 months.
2017-09-26 00:13
they didn't won but had like 10 tourneys in a row reaching semifinals. I dont think what you said really justifies their teamplays getting worse as you claim. I could say that when dennis joined they would have terrible teamplay (based on the same argument you made) but no, they played amazing.
2017-09-26 00:15
back then fnatic, nip, vp, navy, envyus, TSM were the top teams. Now you have them + north, immortals, gambit, faze, SK, cloud9 and liquid who can play at top level. So the scene is more competitive now cause you have more teams on a 'tier 1' level
2017-09-26 00:11
Thats wrong. Almost none of them are consistent tier 1 teams like these back then in 2015. Nowadays it seems like we have no tier 1 teams at all. Before the major we had SK, FaZe and Astralis as consistent tier 1 teams. Now we have maybe just SK ( and perhabs FaZe in the future)
2017-09-26 00:15
I think I see where u coming from. So now we dont have much tier 1 teams, and that's why teams like north immortals and gambit can get win, because other teams are worse. That's a fair argument. In my opinion, teams have not gotten worse, they are on same level or better, but now other teams have also improved, so we have many tier 1 teams
2017-09-26 00:18
exactly, saying something else is retarded!
2017-09-26 07:58
they actually won, but forfeited the match, so please get ur facts straight.
2017-09-23 17:41
Won with the boost, they were losing 3-13 but olof decided to buy the scout and play like a bitch on the unknown boost and they came back i think 16-14 or something like that , UNDESERVED of course they had to forfeit or else they will get more hate that the fans already had towards them,
2017-09-23 18:29
The admins ruled it fair play. They resigned after winning the match 2-1.
2017-09-24 03:57
Nope admins said they had to replay the map, they forfeited at 1-1 It was a gay pixel walk boost anyway, they should've gotten that much shit for that. Stealing the map off of a better team with some disgusting bullshit like that is deplorable.
2017-09-24 04:21
I hope you realise that LDLC also used illegal pixel boosts in the same game. And you just used gay as an insult. It's 2017 over here.
2017-09-24 04:30
I'm perfectly aware they did, wasn't a game breaking boost whatsoever though. What Fnatic did was basically exploit a bug in the map, both were against tournament rules though, and the map was to be replayed. Fnatic didn't want to replay it and forfeited.
2017-09-24 04:39
They did not forfeit on their own, they had to replay the match or they would have been eliminated anyways. They just REFUSED to replay the match.
2017-09-23 18:47
no, they decided to forfeit the match.
2017-09-24 03:28
and fans hated fnatic because? :) dont talk about jw bulshit please, cause people just like to hate the best teams for no reason, just look at SK example ;)
2017-09-24 03:29
They had two options, either forfeit or replay the map. They chose to forfeit since they knew they wouldnt have a chance at beating them without the boost.
2017-09-25 23:15
the win wasn't even awarded so yeah stupid f*ck
2017-09-26 16:32
They got eliminiated due to walkover! =D They never re played it.
2017-09-23 17:50
Canada wizQ 
coward? lmfao it's called fucking genius! at the time of the map, admins didnt care. but only after the french fuccks cried over it and demanded a rematch. fucking pussys.
2017-09-23 18:35
it's against the rules you fucking son of a fat whore
2017-09-24 01:29
Canada wizQ 
2017-09-24 20:55
ok hoe
2017-09-26 00:24
Canada wizQ 
hoe? so you agree, im more valuable than you... you're a fuckinnng moron.
2017-09-26 00:52
and you are a hoe
2017-09-26 00:55
Canada wizQ 
and you're a brain dead piece of shit. lmfao but you dont see me bragging about it.
2017-09-26 16:26
2017-09-26 07:59
ok swedistan go get fked by a nigger or a smelly arab
2017-09-26 08:31
lol you braindead retard, they never got eliminated, they chose to forfeit so LDLC bitches won't cry
2017-09-23 18:37
the only bitch i know is your fat mother the whore
2017-09-24 01:30
North America dr_ass 
don't u have like 5 times daily prayers to get to, how do u fit internet in that busy schedule
2017-09-24 03:41
i don't pray and i'm not a muslim since 9 years
2017-09-24 05:29
lol, you are retarded =D
2017-09-26 07:55
LDLC/envyUs and TSM were the teams to challenge fnatic at that time, and they got quite some wins. Although its true, fnatic had a long era of domination, no doubt. For whatever reason they stopped being able to win like before, for me the most reasonable explanation is teams rising to a higher level.
2017-09-25 23:50
No doubt, but you have to accept the fact that every win tsm/ldlc got against them was a huge upset, I mean, it was like a team like liquid beats a team like sk gaming nowadays
2017-09-26 11:05
I will say it here so i am somewhat up in the thread Ldlc never ever beat fnatic. Nv beat them 2 times (1 tier2 and at the major both when old fnatic were as good as over) The most dominant era was nip's. The most impressive was fnatic's. Simple as that. No other eras. 1 event every 3-4 months is not an era. Also fnatic and nip simply got worse. Friberg and jw dominated the same players they now get rekt by, not because the scene got better. They are just playing worse. Gtr and f0rest another example. Gtr was always better until 2016 when f0rest became better. F0rest maintained his level while gtr got worse. Niko is worse than he was and still not that easy to spot stat wise because almost every good player of the past is worse. Flusha same story as gtr. You don t become worst in the same team after you carried 4 years because they all became better
2017-09-26 13:05
United Kingdom HarryBotter 
NiP 0-87
2017-09-23 10:03
Netherlands vanyigod 
ur first normal thread Friberg, I like it
2017-09-23 10:04
Xyp9x | 
Romania Old_Guy 
Historically, yes, undeniable Currently, not quite, I can see them making top 5 if Golden pulls off a karrigan but that's not very likely Also, how long did it take you to gather all these links?
2017-09-23 10:09
2 minutes
2017-09-23 10:17
About Golden; there is potential, gotta see them in pressure more times. About links; HLTV search its working very smooth
2017-09-23 12:37
Brazil bandicoot 
NiP 0-87
2017-09-23 10:05
baiters are not allowed in my thread
2017-09-23 10:23
Poland Astoner55 
indeed, their era was great.
2017-09-23 10:08
miss these times when everyone hated the team except me :D just because they dominated the scene like no other team has done.
2017-09-23 10:10
REZ | 
Sweden WIGGST0RM_ 
Yea I fucking hated them so much. But now I miss them instead :D
2017-09-23 10:28
yeah you're not the only one saying that nowadays :D there are many ppl who think like that, it's crazy
2017-09-23 10:38
Poland Viefer 
2017-09-23 17:49
liazz | 
Pakistan basim 
I disliked them because as a better odds would be so one sided and I would always bet on an underdog hoping to win...but then my team would get fucked so hard and I would cri. I miss those times
2017-09-23 10:38
i know whatcha mean bro :D
2017-09-23 10:40
Mate i just rode the train and made 1.5k betting on them, paid for a nice wee holiday haha
2017-09-23 11:51
liazz | 
Pakistan basim 
Yeah bro I wish I did that. I didn't jump on that train until 2016 with Dennis and that was a very short trip :( I just wish I betted on them before. The only time I won big against them was when C9 beat them at that DH tournament. That was the time when they were having their streak. I lost so fucking much at ESL One Cologne 2015 GF though. The new EnVy had just won a tournament and were looking fire asf so I betted all in on them on grandfinal and rip my dreams.
2017-09-23 11:55
Haha i got gold pickem that tournament and bet the same as i predicted. Good money there
2017-09-23 13:06
Lekr0 | 
CIS lepestos 
I was almost crying every time they getting wins in the tournaments, but now i would like to see them on top again
2017-09-23 12:59
Aim assist do wonders.
2017-09-23 10:21
What happened to them? why did they start losing everything?
2017-09-23 10:24
-olofmeisters injury -round/bomb time changes shifted meta - -Inferno +Nuke
2017-09-23 10:26
FalleN | 
World Vechnyp 
cz nerf awp nerf hitbox fix
2017-09-23 11:59
Thats why they still were #1 after the CZ nerf. Thats why they still were #1 after the AWP nerf. Thats why they became #1 again after the hitbox fix. Nice try brazillian delusional fanboy!
2017-09-23 12:02
FalleN | 
World Vechnyp 
but flusha and jw is best FeelsBadMan
2017-09-23 12:20
JW and Flusha are indeed the most successfull csgo players at the moment :)
2017-09-23 12:38
Other StraightEdge 
jw and flusha are still the most successful csgo players
2017-09-23 15:19
What did I said?
2017-09-23 16:54
NBK- | 
United States cliVine 
to be fair the awp and cz nerf did hurt jw a bit
2017-09-25 23:15
The 2 best teams at the moment of the nerf were Fnatic and LDLC and i think it hurt LDLC more than Fnatic to be honest
2017-09-26 16:42
NBK- | 
United States cliVine 
Ye it did hurt ldlc more for sure
2017-09-26 22:13
That may have negatively impacted fnatic, but also it must be noted that other teams improved their level and became a real challenge for fnatic. They were on another for a long time, until teams started to catch up, new lineups, new talents, younger players maturing their play and etc.
2017-09-25 23:57
Good times
2017-09-23 10:26
who says theyre not the best of all time? ofc they are, but they werent as good in 2016.
2017-09-23 10:33
Basically delusional NiP fanboys and SK fanboys who are all newfags anyway. Oh and baiters of course.
2017-09-23 10:35
i mean there are alot of people who hates fnatic, but still agrees that theyre the best team of all time, because its true. you cant really say SK/LG is the best team of all time since they started their era in late 2015 and fnatic started their era in 2014.
2017-09-23 10:37
They didn't win a single tournament until 2016, how did their era start in late 2015?
2017-09-23 12:04
they didnt even have an era
2017-09-23 12:12
Well I agree, 'era' is too grandiose a term. They were the best team in the world, but they weren't as dominant as either NiP or fnatic, or for as long. The same people who think SK had an era should also be admitting that nV and VG had eras. I don't really know what word to use for that.
2017-09-23 12:31
well they started to '' be good '' in late 2015, and thats not even the right way to say it lol
2017-09-23 13:08
Completely agreed. It's just sad that they can't hit the same form nowadays.
2017-09-23 12:03
The scene wasn't competitive back then tho
2017-09-23 12:04
#11 especially people I rekt enough already
2017-09-23 12:08
'Baiter' coming from a guy who thinks ldlc/nv > lg/sk is actually a compliment, to be honest.
2017-09-23 12:13
#11 stop it
2017-09-23 12:18
what do you mean it wasnt competetive ? navi, tsm, ldlc all were very good
2017-09-23 12:12
No they didn't, lol. Tsm was a joke with karrigan, navi had only guardian, ldlc overrated af. The fact that they won a major with smithzz shows how bad the scene was at that time.
2017-09-23 12:19
yeah expected from sk fan wanting to tell that sk won 2 majors when the scene was competitive
2017-09-23 12:27
Said the finnish fan of faze lmao.
2017-09-23 12:35
trying too hard to say something still fails with this low comment lol
2017-09-23 13:22
Where's allu? Lul
2017-09-23 15:15
"SK GOAT" LOL No matter what can't Defeat G2 in BO3 in their "Era" lose 2-0 to liquid (mykonos) and 2-1 to North in their "Era" SK not even Close to dominance level of Fnatic.
2017-09-23 12:07
Best teams of all time: 1. Fnatic (3 majors, so many tournaments) 2. NiP (87-0, so many tounrmanets) 3. SK (2 majors, few tournaments) Best players of all time: 1. GeT_RiGhT 2. Olofmeister 3. Flusher/Coldzera
2017-09-23 12:08
Sk/coldzera dominated on the most competitive scene of all time. 1. Sk/coldzera 2. Fnatic/olof 3. Nip/get_right
2017-09-23 12:12
2017-09-23 12:13
Coldzera has only 1 negative tournament (0.96) rating out of 39. He's won 7 mvps, 2 of them majors. He's the best rated player on majors, and the most consistent overall. He's the GOAT. /close
2017-09-23 12:16
World zebra_man3 
get right top 1 for 3 years
2017-09-23 13:03
2017-09-23 12:13
2017-09-23 12:39
2017-09-23 12:48
Brazil TonimSan 
Individually, Cold is ahead every single player in CSGO history. Since his first appearance in the international scene, he is dominant, delivering huge numbers in every single event.
2017-09-24 03:44
f0rest | 
Serbia dankooo 
yes it was hard with flusha's aimbot
2017-09-23 12:13
i agree but the thing is, all the teams are on a higher level nowadays, we likely won't see a team dominate like that again. edit: which means they are the most successful team of all times, not the best.
2017-09-23 12:18
They are not on a higher level. Stop these delusions.
2017-09-23 12:18
The cheats are at a whole new level :p Back then it was merely simple aimlocks to the head, today you have all-in-one package capable of doing just about anything imaginable. Of course this makes CS.GO higher level, but not the players, they are at a worse level on average.
2017-09-23 12:44
oh OK
2017-09-23 12:52
They are the best team of all time
2017-09-23 12:33
Sweden Zolity 
Can i copy this thread to get it more attention, i can give u credit if u want :)
2017-09-23 12:34
sure idc
2017-09-23 12:35
krimz what a beast man peoples shouldnt speak olof was god in 2k14
2017-09-23 12:36
On the internet, "all time" tends to mean "past year". Don't ask me why.
2017-09-23 12:39
+1 Just look at how people underrate GeT_RiGhT when talking about the best player of all time. And this is coming from one of the biggest NiP haters of HLTV.
2017-09-23 12:54
IareAgreeThatz one more time kick_friberg_ffs showing his great mind and being a respected and well known user leave a thank mr kick_friberg_ffs to show your respect to this amazing hltv user. thank mr kick_friberg_ffs
2017-09-23 12:45
Wtr :>
2017-09-23 15:16
what means "wtr" ?
2017-09-23 15:17
I misstyped wtf
2017-09-23 16:00
oh, ok
2017-09-23 16:01
2017-09-23 13:33
Sweden Trkmag 
+1 and GeT_RiGhT greatest of all time
2017-09-23 13:40
anyone who tries to argue this is either delusional or ignorant
2017-09-23 15:17
Brazil HeppyCrank 
It was easier b4 than its now.
2017-09-23 15:33
nice joke
2017-09-23 17:36
Brazil HeppyCrank 
??? wat
2017-09-23 17:39
Sweden Flushaisbest 
Even if it was easier before then it was easier for all teams its not like fnatic played some special cs go making it easier only for them everyone played the same game was as easy for everyone and fnatic rekt them fnatic goat. /closed
2017-09-26 07:27
Brazil HeppyCrank 
They usually was playing against the same enemys in the finals etc same teams on every tournament. Atm you have sooooo many teams that can make huge upsets. You never know what team will win, I guess every team has improoved but fnatic still playing as they did in 2015.
2017-09-26 16:10
name checks out
2017-09-26 08:42
Brazil HeppyCrank 
nt legend27 brazil flag and likes mouz
2017-09-26 16:11
2017-09-23 16:03
greatest team of all time , no doubt.
2017-09-23 18:35
Norway sparta92 
Navi cs 1.6 dominated scene for 3 years
2017-09-24 03:49
Nobody cares about 1.6.
2017-09-25 23:05
Norway sparta92 
We talk about best team in cs HIStORY right?
2017-09-25 23:06
No, about the best CS:GO tema of all time.
2017-09-25 23:06
Norway sparta92 
2013-2015 cannot count, bcs there was literally no team that was good enough. Teams cs:go skill became good only in late 2015
2017-09-25 23:08
This is a non-bait zone.
2017-09-25 23:08
Fnatic die...SK ON TOP
2017-09-24 04:03
If you call this "SK ON TOP" then we really need the fnatic times back.
2017-09-25 23:03
well my little pony, early on 2014-2015 the scene was really really semi-pro. Now in 2016-2017 the level on competition is really hard, and fnatic not stay at the level, sk has been kept at the same level for about 2 years, fluctuating between the top 1 and 2, in these days fnatic is a fuckin dead team.
2017-09-26 00:23
2017-09-26 00:24
nt .-.
2017-09-26 00:25
best team of all time no doubt
2017-09-24 04:16
best team ever made (flusha,jw,pronax,olofmeister,krimz) i miss those times
2017-09-24 04:21
that was the best era for like a good 3-4 years now it's SK for another 4
2017-09-25 23:05
Turkey sadixx 
i love this game with this fnatic. Rip them. Never forget.
2017-09-25 23:09
Croatia mds818 
tbh the thing which i hate the most nowdays is that you have way too many teams which are/could be considered as the #1 team and yet there's noone who you can really call n1 because everyone is inconsistant as fuck
2017-09-25 23:41
ropz | 
Brazil dieeg0 
fnatic 2013-2014 PogChamp fnatic 2015-2016-2017 ResidentSleeper /closed
2017-09-25 23:42
Typical BR brain.
2017-09-26 00:05
ropz | 
Brazil dieeg0 
fnatic win a champ in 2017??? /closed 2
2017-09-26 00:22
cyx | 
Bangladesh Stoffi 
Yes when flusha toggled on they were unbeatable. Lets be honest - Flusha was the most suspicious top-player ever in that period. Even other pro-players public said that his clips were very suspicious. They otherwise very seldomly do that. It is also very funny how these suspicious clips stopped to occur - the same time fnatic stopped dominating.
2017-09-25 23:47
2017-09-26 00:06
Denmark nalleB 
couldn't quite manage dignitas tho
2017-09-26 00:15
Europe Donzii 
*best team of all time in 2015 and early 2016 delusional fnatic fan since when fnatic won a tournament in 2014 year? wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/Fnatic
2017-09-26 06:49
Is this a bait attempt?
2017-09-26 08:33
sk will win more than they did
2017-09-26 06:53
It is true.Also,vp,nip and fnatic are best teams all time
2017-09-26 07:40
swag | 
Brazil raigor 
Saying that we have a more competitive scene now doesn't means fnatic era was bad, it's just the truth. We have alot of new people coming in and doing amazing, and alot of people evolving. People started to get better with more tournaments/scrims. So you think everybody would start playing against the best players of the world, and stay the same, never getting better?
2017-09-26 07:51
I agree but didn't you highjack this thread from another user? :D
2017-09-26 11:09
Sweden Rexz 
NiP 2014>fnatic in 2014 imo because olof&krimz fnatic got together late and barely won any tournaments
2017-09-26 14:08
United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
"Seriously how can someone say that they were not the best team of all time? They simply dominated the scene for 20 months with 18 premier tournament wins. Anyone who thinks they are not the best CS:GO team of all time has to be baiting or a newfag." Easily... this is your opinion and your opinion alone. NiP achieved the same thing during their form of dominance, however is widely speculating among the masses that the competitive scene of CS:GO didn't blossom at that time, which I can agree with outright, yet it's incorrect to remove any accolades NiP achieved at that time. I'll admit they are one of the greatest to touch CS:GO, but to state "they are the best of all-time" is an opinion, your opinion. Have a good day.
2017-09-26 16:34
A couple of things you forgot: -Literally has never gone out in the group stages of any tournament they attended -Literally top 4 at almost every top tournament they attended, except for DH Winter 2014(which they forfeit) and DH Cluj, which was their last tournament together
2017-10-11 19:42
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