#1
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Canada hypsipyle 
ofc they r man g2 needs to get a real coach :) (I'm a smitzz hater)
2017-09-24 14:47
#6
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Germany ffaiden 
2017-09-24 14:52
#35
Magisk | 
Denmark Phoey 
They need a proper igl. Shox is not a good IGL at all. Shox ScreaM/Apex Happy RpK KennyS
2017-09-24 15:42
#50
NBK- | 
United States cliVine 
I wouldn't say he's not good at all, he runs ct side very well w/ his rotations, but yeah an actual igl to let him free up and live up to his potential would be amazing.
2017-09-24 18:27
#86
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France NeoNIcoN 
They are alot better on their Tside lately (since the break) with apex leading on some maps and shox have worked on executes and strategical points
2017-09-25 11:33
#83
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Estonia Chaostic 
Shox KennyS Apex Nbk Happy/Ex6tenz
2017-09-25 07:57
#85
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France NeoNIcoN 
please... stop
2017-09-25 11:31
#94
fnx | 
Portugal CLOOP 
Shox KennyS Apex NBK Kio
2017-09-26 00:37
#100
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United States pSilent 
Ex6tenz NBK ScreaM Shox SmithZz Easy for VG
2017-09-26 05:14
#104
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Spain JasonRacism 
Literally just swap SmithZz for KennyS and still to this day would be top 2 consistently
2017-09-26 06:07
#103
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Spain JasonRacism 
Ex6TenZ > Happy Happy wasn't even IGL all the time on NV, He was so bad Devil was doing it at one point
2017-09-26 06:07
#107
Magisk | 
Denmark Phoey 
He seems to be fine as an IGL now. :-) Maybe he just needed some time to develop a new style :-)
2017-09-26 11:57
#108
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Germany Merkelistan 
lul coach. SK was the most dominant team for a long time without a coach. They need someone to IGL over shox
2017-09-26 12:08
#113
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Canada hypsipyle 
yea its better not to have a coach than having smitz he tries to be usefull but he sucks as always
2017-09-26 13:40
#2
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Denmark Sofio 
ok
2017-09-24 14:48
Captain Obvious
2017-09-24 14:49
#4
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Slovakia TrYx_T 
Expecting "GeorgeWashington" here
2017-09-24 14:51
#5
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France Antreas488 
4 out of those maps are with the old lineup you fucking cuck
2017-09-24 14:51
even with less firepower theyre better than G2
2017-09-24 14:52
Better 0 3 major group pick one
2017-09-24 15:44
#57
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Brazil Mirekz 
why are you even talking about the major? G2 couldnt make past groups either.
2017-09-24 18:39
Still better than 0 3
2017-09-24 19:15
#63
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Brazil Mirekz 
yet they went 0-3 and cus of that made lineup changes, G2 went out in groups and didn't change anything, they're too inconsistent they won malmo then couldn't qualify to ESL NY
2017-09-24 19:54
Faze didn't qualified for it neither.
2017-09-24 20:53
#76
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Brazil Mirekz 
FaZe won esl ny lul
2017-09-24 22:53
Coz G2 wasn't in it. But my point still stand.
2017-09-24 22:53
#79
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Brazil Mirekz 
G2 never beat FaZe in a bo3 nor bo5 lul
2017-09-24 22:53
Ofc since they weren't invited like Faze.
2017-09-24 22:54
#92
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Netherlands iuohtz 
bad teams dont get invites
2017-09-26 00:28
Indeed, meanwhile Faze and VP get invited. Mainstream medias still asking why bad is exciting.
2017-09-26 01:23
#99
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Netherlands iuohtz 
VP got invited cause they did good on the last tournament, just that, they wont receive invite for the next one
2017-09-26 05:03
no shit sherlock
2017-09-24 14:56
faze can't even win against gambit in bo3 get out from group in malmo. only win against NA team faze fanboy start talk shit now ?. can't wait until eleague and faze out from group again and thier fanboy make excuse . they are still new team. just wait they will top 1 bla bla bla. same shit wil happen again like after they win StarLadder Season 3 and thier fanboy start hype faze top1 what happen after that lol ? faze is just purefirepower aim team after honeymoon period ended they will become shit can't win anything. we will see faze fanboy cries
2017-09-24 14:59
FaZe got already 2:0 through Groups in eleague ,r u a retard or just an IE user?
2017-09-24 15:17
Lol g2 cant beat gambit either
2017-09-24 15:28
#24
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Denmark Antonio192 
Astralis VP Navi
2017-09-24 15:31
" can't wait until eleague and faze out from group again " retard spotted
2017-09-24 15:33
They already got out of the eleague groups,silver You don't even know what you are talking about stfu
2017-09-24 15:33
Who vs G2?
2017-09-24 14:58
i aren't think that hltv.org/ranking/teams/2017/september/18 ;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
2017-09-24 15:19
-1/8
2017-09-24 19:27
#64
sodaH | 
United States Droidd 
You’re really using hltv ranking to compare the the two? Fucking retarded
2017-09-24 19:58
;) hltv.org/ranking/teams/2017/september/25 I don't realy care if you cry G2 is 2nd place, while vp is on 11th so baby dont be afraid to cry :)))))))))))
2017-09-26 18:33
#20
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Pakistan zaidspawN 
shox > karrigan KennyS > guardian rain > apeX olofmeister > NBK NiKo > bodyy
2017-09-24 15:20
#23
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France Antreas488 
stopped reading at Olof>NBK
2017-09-24 15:30
2015>2014
2017-09-24 15:36
#31
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Russia NavalnyRU 
shox > karrigan as a player shox < karrigan as a IGL sometimes kennyS > guardian rain = apEX olofmeister = NBK- NiKo > bodyy
2017-09-24 15:37
#43
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Pakistan zaidspawN 
rain = apex ? wtf apex can't clutch , apex can't hold in ct side , so rain > apeX
2017-09-24 16:10
#44
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Russia NavalnyRU 
but apEX can be angry and become to rapEX so if it happend he'll all fuck you up
2017-09-24 16:11
#51
NiKo | 
Austria Phil_1337 
but rain can be angry and become to GODrain so if it happend he'll all fuck you up
2017-09-24 18:30
lmfao this convo
2017-09-24 20:58
#112
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Finland raivokkuus 
rain = apEX ;ASD:DDD:::DSPFHKASDKFGKGhgrsdhj
2017-09-26 13:12
shox > karrigan only frag wise shox <<<<<<<<karrigan igl wise
2017-09-24 15:38
We saw how good IGL he was last major indeed.
2017-09-24 15:45
U aregetting talking about a majot was in july .. now lets talk about esl ny fucking braindead fangay
2017-09-24 20:49
#70
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France NeoNIcoN 
In that case, we can also speak of dreamhack Malmö if you want, G2’s IGLing was really hih’ghblevel this tournament 1 tournament means nothing
2017-09-24 20:53
#105
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Finland Mitzu 
If one tournament doesn't mean anything why are you defending the guy who brought up the major then?
2017-09-26 06:23
#22
karrigan | 
France SW4Y1 
why would i cry
2017-09-24 15:29
haha
2017-09-24 15:32
You have the rank on main page HLTV; SK G2 NORTH FAZE So G2>FAZE that simple.
2017-09-24 15:36
There's still people who follow hltv's rankings? Lmao wtf
2017-09-24 15:39
Which rank you follow ? Your own ? you are more objective than the algorithm for sure. For you one match signifiant a lot whereas the algorithm deserve the regularity, its more important in cs
2017-09-24 15:48
Hltv rankings are terrible, thats not something new lmao. Like come on, we've literally seen SK GAIN POINTS from WSG despite the fact everyone knows it was a really poor performance from them. I genuinely think you need to find some other websites for rankings if you are going to actually try to defend their system. It goes by events, and doesn't even matter who you faced. A team could beat North, G2, and SK in a bo3, and they would get the same amount of points as a team who beats Godsent, Gale Force, and Heroic in a bo3. Thats how broken the system is.
2017-09-24 15:55
i dont want judge the system he is how he is but he is the same for all. HLTV is the official csgo website , this rank is close tennis ATP; All ranking are questionable but dont advantage any team. I'm agree with you atm faze maybe more stronger than sk, but on the past sk was on every event.
2017-09-24 16:09
"i dont want judge the system he is how he is but he is the same for all." I guess this is the point: some will reasonably question the validity of the algorithm with regard to the finer details of CSGO. Yes, it's fair in as much as it's without bias for whichever teams it's collecting limited data from; however, the team-ranking algorithm (and rating 2.0, too) do not make sufficient control for all the variables at play in any give match-up. Rating 2.0, for example, makes no control for the direction of fire at the point of a kill, the lack or abundance of information at play between the teams, it doesn't factor in the luck involved in some running shots, jumping shots, un-scoped awp shots (or any of these simultaneously), and those are just a few examples that come to mind. I don't care to list everything I can think of. Sorry for that. Maybe another time. Nevertheless, the point still stands. An observer well versed in the game mechanics and the finer aspects of strategy and meta-strategy, provided he can mitigate his (or her) biases towards the teams and individuals in question, will always be a better final analysis of any given match, until such controls can be accounted for. The trouble is: most of us are not capable of this.
2017-09-24 18:49
J'ai compris les différentes choses que tu voulais dire mais j'ai pas compris le sens, si jamais tu peux te ré-expliquer en français car j'aurai bien répondu mais j'vois pas ou tu veux en venir.
2017-09-25 20:39
Laissez-faire, mon amour. C'est la vie!
2017-09-26 15:06
Haha!
2017-09-26 18:00
No other team has a better recent record than SK sorry but the ranking makes sense it's not supposed to represent who would win if there was a tournament today and it's good because that would be fucking stupid
2017-09-24 18:35
What is your definition of recent? I can think of several teams that have done better since July. Because SK hasn't really done shit since Cologne in early July.
2017-09-24 18:36
Even if you take since July SK : top 8 Krakow top 8 Malmo top 3 Mykonos top 4 NY G2 : top 11 Krakow Top 1 Malmo Didnt quality for NY North : top 8 Krakow top 2 Malmo top 1 in Montreal (only opponent was Immortals) Faze : top 16 Krakow top 16 Malmo top 1 NY Astralis : top 4 Krakow top 8 Malmo top 6 NY
2017-09-24 18:50
Nvm I saw G2 instead of North:P
2017-09-24 20:27
he said june, so let's include sk 1st esl one cologne 1st ecs season 3 1st dreamhack summer and these 3 events still hold 50% relevance (as they should)
2017-09-24 21:15
nah he said july, otherwise that was even more obvious
2017-09-24 21:25
oh yeh my bad
2017-09-24 21:25
#33
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France iwasthelegend 
its was only because of kio u dumb shit
2017-09-24 15:39
g2>faze
2017-09-24 15:42
#45
ceh9 | 
Europe MNcsgo 
prov it
2017-09-24 16:12
or i will...
2017-09-24 18:26
#109
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Europe TaliH 
kill you!
2017-09-26 12:34
Last game is from 4 months ago with different lineups you fucking cuck
2017-09-24 15:49
Ohh wow, you found 2 meaningless online games
2017-09-24 22:53
Esl pro league meaningless? Nt nbk fangay
2017-09-25 11:38
Last esl when faze couldnt qualify, you guys went crazy sayings its online bo1s, and they were tired and shit!!! Dude, atleast stand for what you speak.
2017-09-25 23:05
Link me where i said that
2017-09-25 23:40
G2 got destroyed in two games by faze after they JUST formed. G2 is overrated af. "Mine team lost but losses don't count bc it's online" LMAO. It was a brand new team with a language barrier and they got rekt. Sit down kid.
2017-09-26 00:22
Honeymoon period, ever heard that term, maybe not! Just saying dont hype them up too much. Wait a few events to judge them properly.
2017-09-26 04:38
Lmao..a team of international players who aren't speaking their native tongue, many not geographically even close or ever played together and you're calling honeymoon?! Hahaha France scene all plays together, speak same language, and "superteam" has been together for months lmao.
2017-09-26 05:02
Geography, seriously, you are putting geography into this. I can agree on language barrier, but being in the scene for soo long all of them can pretty much speak decent enough english, to call out positions and all. And also when you are a new team with decent enough players who can aim and your strats are unknown, as you are strat based team then yeah you have a honeymoon period!
2017-09-26 05:53
Geography as in they don't play with or practice with each other. Second language always involves delayed communications. So you're saying throwing together MM teams with no stats is best then? Lol. No team coordination needed either which comes with practice. No igl needed bc randomness wins LOLOL new meta!!!!
2017-09-26 13:09
+1
2017-09-24 18:27
G2 #2 FaZe #4 G2 > FaZe shox >>>> karrigan, even as igl apEX = rain kennyS >>>>>>>> GuardiaN NBK >>>>>> olofmeister bodyy < NiKo
2017-09-24 18:31
bodyy is >>>>> niko man Braindead fangay
2017-09-24 20:51
#71
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France NeoNIcoN 
They don’t even play the same role, why compare ?
2017-09-24 20:54
+100000000000000000000010101010101101087463782826363
2017-09-25 07:43
#118
ceh9 | 
Europe MNcsgo 
Skill: Shox > Karrigan IGL: Shox <<< Karrigan ApEX <<<<< NiKo Kennys = Guardian (yaya, fuck you) NBK << Olof Bodyy <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Rain
2017-09-27 18:56
faze only luck
2017-09-24 18:31
#54
Happy | 
France yolorize 
FaZe TOP 1 /unopen
2017-09-24 18:34
#61
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Russia GrazyGrohk 
you fucking idiot
2017-09-24 19:24
-bodyy +ScreaM IGL
2017-09-24 20:44
faze lul
2017-09-25 07:48
#84
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France Vipair 
haHAA no proof btw haHAA
2017-09-25 08:01
#93
swag | 
Panama FaZeKQLY 
shox>karrigan kennyS>guardiaN nbk>olofmistah apEX AKA rapEX > rain bodyy<NiKo 4>1 g2>faze
2017-09-26 00:34
They got more titles than Faze this year tho
2017-09-26 01:33
They won ESL NY but didn't pass groups at Krakow or Malmo so I would wait some time for them to have better results before going so crazy about them, SK, North, Astralis & G2 have better results last couple months, winning 1 event doesn't excuse losing in groups twice. Right now FaZe remind me of Na'vi when s1mple first joined a couple of shit results, they won ESL NY and it was all downhill from there wi'll see what happens in future.
2017-09-26 05:21
Exes Shox Kenny Scream Xms
2017-09-26 06:23
sad news , faze will suck
2017-09-26 12:41
#114
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Brazil GodMac 
Actually, G2 is best of Faze, but Niko's God.
2017-09-26 14:03
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