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Norway BlueCheer 
What are your thoughts on Christianity and religion in general? Is it a good thing or a cancer? Use proper arguments.
2017-10-01 19:34
christians aren't any better than muslims. religion doesn't make people bad it is the people themselves.
2017-10-01 19:36
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Sweden 1nc0g 
yeah, the radical christians who blow up everyone that has a different religion than them. they sure are a lot of those
2017-10-01 19:38
ever heard of those crusades?
2017-10-01 19:38
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Sweden 1nc0g 
yup, those things doesnt happen in todays world.
2017-10-01 19:39
Crusades did what they had to do to defend their christian brothers in the middle-east after the muslims went full jihad throughout europe :) Try again. Crusades were a resisting force to defend europe from muslim invasion
2017-10-01 20:10
+1
2017-10-01 22:41
#93
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Sweden 1nc0g 
ty. dont really know anything abuot the crusades tbh
2017-10-01 23:03
Go watch documentaries about it. It's actually pretty fascinating :D
2017-10-01 23:03
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Sweden 1nc0g 
might aswell do it. thx man
2017-10-01 23:04
Also watch a documentary how serbs killed 9.000+ muslim civils in one day 20 years ago.. fuckin* monsters
2018-02-22 21:11
#186
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Denmark oj8 
sounds awesome
2018-02-22 21:47
wow,so the only difference between you and an ISIS terrorist is that he has the weapon and you don't.. cool..
2018-02-23 11:22
#205
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Denmark oj8 
about right
2018-02-23 11:40
#102
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African Union ArisA 
Retard
2017-10-01 23:19
Shush you little Jihaddist go blow yourself up
2017-10-01 23:20
#104
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African Union ArisA 
You know nothing and it is truly scary. Shut up for the rest of ur life.
2017-10-01 23:20
Lol ofc the muslim is going to disagree
2017-10-01 23:20
#106
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African Union ArisA 
The point of the crusaders was to kill muslims after Martin Luther changed the Reformation. of course im going to "disagree" moron.
2017-10-01 23:22
>Martin Luther changed the Reformation xDD noice also >crusaders was to kill muslims no way sherlock, but count Jihads and crusades will see who was aggressor.
2017-10-01 23:46
>Years when Martin Luther lived >Years when Crusades happened choose one
2018-02-22 19:47
#187
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Slovakia VladO.  
-1/8
2018-02-22 21:53
#164
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Europe juanoo 
Lul ur just fucking virgin christian fat ass
2018-02-22 19:47
"Crusades were a resisting force to defend europe from muslim invasion" Damn gotta hate those peaceful 'invasions' bringing advancements in medicine, astronomy, mathematics, culture, equality, wealth etc.
2017-10-01 23:24
90% of arabic knowlage was taken from Greeks and great library of Alexandria.
2017-10-01 23:47
Thank you my slavic brother
2017-10-02 01:10
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Brazil Nyaulex 
And just because they were arabs did not mean they were muslims, the translations of the books and documents were made by christians who lived there, before they all got slayed by the muslims Muslims burned all the libraries because the only truth for them is Alah which is a revelation god that rules the world by his will, while the christian God let us choose. All the work of aristoteles was translated to latim by monks in the mont saint-michel in france. Read this book: aristote au mont saint-michel
2017-10-02 02:27
+1
2017-10-02 00:17
+1 brate
2017-10-02 01:10
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France NoThanks 
that was a country that invade europe , sure they were muslims but still a country i guess uk and france going " full jihad " all over the world during 19th century doesnt bother you that much
2018-02-22 21:46
thats why they attacked constantinople :D
2018-02-22 23:50
also the last time i checked the us (mostly christians) were bombing the shit out of the middle east?
2017-10-01 19:39
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Sweden 1nc0g 
that has nothing with religion to do
2017-10-01 19:39
those radical idiots have also nothing to do with the true form of the islam. they are just lunatics who use it for their stupid agenda.
2017-10-01 19:41
+111
2017-10-01 19:44
But the terrorists are the ones who often follow the Koran the most, so that does not make any sense. The Koran does say "kill infidels", so when someone kills an infidel, they are being a good Muslims, be its very definition.
2017-10-01 19:51
the quran preaches respect and tolerance actually. “O You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow in the footsteps of satan. He is an outright enemy to you.” (Holy Quran: 2, 208) “There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256) You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.” (Holy Quran/28: 56)
2017-10-01 19:55
Cherry picking at its worst. Christians have the excuse of Jesus coming first before the old testament and therefore have a logical reason for their cherry picking. Muslims do not have such excuse. There is no non radical Muslim churches. All are either part of Saudi Arabias extremest wahhabi shit, Muslim brotherhood or Iranian shias(least radical but still far from western Christianity). There is no Muslim reformation anywhere. Only excuses.
2017-10-01 20:03
Quran (109:6): To you be your religion, and to me be mine.
2017-10-01 20:08
Oh what great wisdom. Try reading some of the great minds after renaissance.
2017-10-01 20:09
yes, great wisdom. you have a lot to learn my friend.
2017-10-01 20:12
I guess sarcasm came after renaissance :D
2017-10-01 20:16
I guess ignorance will survive humanity.
2017-10-01 20:19
Yes. Religion is for those who ignore facts.
2017-10-01 20:20
There are so many religions in this world, and if you don't believe in the one they worship, you got to hell/get tortured when you die, in dharmic religions your actions matter more than whatever god you believe in, there are so many differences between one branch of christianism and another, they all have ideas about the others - there are a range that they will accept as christian, and always a bunch they will point to and say are not true Christians. That's what's so frustrating; there are so many people who claim to have all the answers and who say they know what happens when we die, but how can they be sure? Admitting that we know essentially nothing is the most honest answer.
2017-10-01 20:43
Both the Bible and Quran has thousands of different verses, and you can find theological backing for almost everything. Both books preach violence and both also preach peace and love. It simply does not make any sense, and so following these scriptures is just ignorant and outdated. I take it you are a Muslim so I highly recommend you to burn your holy book and try to get a new perspective on life, with out it being obscured by any religious nonsense.
2017-10-01 20:03
Quran (109:6): To you be your religion, and to me be mine.
2017-10-01 20:08
Yeah, that didn't answer anything. And how sad is your life if you constantly have to go back to an ancient book to find out how to life your life? That is the sheep mentality that weak minded people follow, that has been holding humanity back for centuries.
2017-10-01 20:10
For understanding the Verses you should get educate yourself about their reasons. Ex: Verse ''Kill all infidels ...'' came before Bedir War which is against aggressors who usurp their belongings Basically ''Fight against who fight against you''. Verses without knowing their reasons can lead people to Wrong ways. Like ISIS and other Radical Muslims. Their militians are ignorant and ez to fool igronant people with their religion/Beliefs. Today's Islamic World = Mid Age Catholic World.
2018-02-22 19:16
#165
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Europe smasherrr 
+1
2018-02-22 19:50
2017-10-01 20:33
#90
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India silentsudo 
shuts them all...
2017-10-01 22:56
what is the true form of islam and why do you know better than someone like abu bakr al-baghdadi, who has a phd from islamic university?
2017-10-01 20:01
#158
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Norway YouWotm8! 
Cuz he is ultimate respector of waman
2018-02-22 19:27
#98
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Vietnam Oida 
talk to ppl in the US military and u will find the majority of them are die hard christians. Also "Blackwater", a US mercenery firm was founded by a ultra-conservative christian.
2017-10-01 23:05
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France GAITS 
When Bush made a declaration in 2001 (or was it 2002 already ?) about "evil countries" he used biblic references. Invading afghanistan was kind of a religious war.
2018-02-22 22:54
Fun fact whenever they bomb the middle east i'm pretty sure they dont sit and scream "DEUS VULT" "FOR OUR LORD AND SAVIOR" "DIE INFIDEL"? Come with a better argument :)
2017-10-01 21:20
Maybe because Christians are not getting bombed by the US?
2017-10-01 19:39
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Other Valeriana 
You are aware that isis members corresponds to <<1% of the muslim demographic?
2017-10-01 19:39
#18
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Other Valeriana 
Isis is a product of lack of education, poverty and NATO funds
2017-10-01 19:41
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United Kingdom [sublime] 
Ever heard of the IRA?
2017-10-01 19:41
What are you trying to say? Islam never thought people to blow themselves... but to know that you need some type of education, which I can assume you don't have. The thing that ISIS believes has nothing to do with Islam...
2017-10-01 20:27
"The thing that ISIS believes has nothing to do with Islam..." How can you be this uninformed? They base all of their laws on the Koran.
2017-10-01 22:31
Lol... Not even close, dude. Not even close. Find me the quote from the Koran saying that you gotta bomb yourself and kill other people so you can have 100 virgin girls when you die? You are that dumb... holy fuck, I'm getting triggered by the things you are saying and I'm not even muslim. I thought norway had good education too, but I guess I was wrong.
2017-10-01 22:37
The Quran says that you should kill infidels wherever you may find them, so I was correct, you dumb-ass.
2017-10-01 23:51
lol its in the koran that not believing in allah is the worst crime and that killing not believers is ok
2018-02-22 19:20
You are wrong. Christians don't stab people, don't blow up things, don't run people over. Christians hate the sins not the people.
2017-10-01 19:41
#10 get rekt kid.
2017-10-01 19:42
If you consider anything but muslim countries as christian them you are right... right?
2017-10-01 19:46
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Sweden aer1aL 
May i ask you why your country stole Portugal's language?
2017-10-01 19:54
This must be one of the worst baits ever. So much that it can't even be 0/8, therefore -1/8
2017-10-01 20:25
+1
2018-02-22 23:51
us didnt bomb middle-east because theyre christians wtf they bombed it cause they want to eliminate isis which btw is completely dumbass cause u need to kill the mindset by providing proper education and stuff like that but just bombing them to shreds literally makes no sense at all
2017-10-01 23:07
>being this uneducated Also, I can't recall Christians around the world being bombed to shreds by Western forces.
2017-10-01 19:43
#31
2017-10-01 19:46
What you said makes no sense. Formulate yourself better.
2017-10-01 19:47
christians dont stab people? top 10 most violent nations = christian nations is africa and south america ty come again
2018-02-22 19:07
thank you and go suck a dick, baiter.
2018-02-22 19:15
baiter for stating a fact? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_.. thank you, come again
2018-02-22 19:16
retarded.
2018-02-22 19:39
it sucks being from a backwards violent nation, doesn't it?
2018-02-22 20:11
No but you should go suck some dicks.
2018-02-22 21:04
triggered by facts rip banana brain
2018-02-22 21:06
At least I have one. You don't. Keep the dicks clean lil boy.
2018-02-22 21:36
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Brazil dogduckk 
Retard, have you ever read the quran? if you disobeyt things like killing all who doesnt swear themselves to allah and women having half the worth of a man you burn in hell, find ANYTHING similar in the new testamente and i will fucking send you 500$ on paypal you numfuck
2017-10-01 20:14
i read the quran multiple times and here are some of ym favourite quotes: “O You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow in the footsteps of satan. He is an outright enemy to you.” (Holy Quran: 2, 208) “There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256) You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.” (Holy Quran/28: 56) Quran (109:6): To you be your religion, and to me be mine.
2017-10-01 20:15
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Brazil dogduckk 
"Some of my favourite" I can show you some postitive things satan has said also, doesnt matter if YOU ARE FORBIDDEN TO CHERRYPICK THE QURAN. If you do, you burn in hell so I hope you like hell because if you missinterpret any sayings in the book you are going there, and you are
2017-10-01 20:19
my mind is full of peace, acceptance and tolerance. i don't need to insult you like you do, because you are doing a fine job of embarrassing yourself. peace~
2017-10-01 20:22
#63
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Brazil dogduckk 
No way you are islamic
2017-10-01 20:23
You have been misinformed to the point where you will deny any and all historical scriptures. Good day to you sir.
2017-10-01 20:27
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Brazil dogduckk 
xD read the quran bro
2017-10-01 22:28
I have read the entire quran 3 times and am in the process of memorizing it. Maybe you should read it?
2017-10-02 02:13
Do you think the kills on Charlie Hebdo guys were justified? They kinda mocked muhammed very bad..
2018-02-22 19:52
skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_li.. You stupid, stupid man. Why did you even try to just single out only the New Testament? Like the Old Testament doesn't count. It's all in your shitty bible.
2017-10-01 22:30
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Brazil dogduckk 
Im not christian by any means, i do not approve any religion, i just think islam is worst
2017-10-01 22:31
It's just as bad as Christianity, and anyone with any kind of historical knowledge knows this.
2017-10-01 22:32
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Brazil dogduckk 
sure, historical knowledge, but i dont care too much about that, I care about what is happening now in the world, what religion is killing most people because of their holy scriptures?
2017-10-01 22:35
Christianity went through various reformations to make it more socially acceptable. Fundamentalist interpretations of both religions are absolute cancer and not suitable for the modern world, but in practice Christianity isn't as obtrusive or oppressive as Islam as it doesn't detract from personal freedoms. And in answer to your thread: any religion that overrides personal freedoms isn't at all suitable for society.
2017-10-01 23:02
Christianity still takes away peoples freedoms in the US and most Christian, African countries so you are not entirely right. Apart from that, I agree with you.
2017-10-01 23:53
How does it do so in the US? You're right about African countries, I should've specified that I meant in the Western world.
2017-10-02 00:14
Most of the more rural and Republican states have obscure, banal laws that derive from their "Christian heritage". None come to mind at this moment, but to give you one shining example - gay marriage.
2017-10-02 03:05
But the US Supreme Court ruled that a ban on gay marriage was unconstitutional in 2015, meaning individual states were forced to legalize it. theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/26/gay-.. I don't doubt that Christian values are prevalent to an unsuitable degree in many 'red states', but I can't think of or find any examples of that bleeding over into state legislation.
2017-10-02 11:37
I'm an idiot. Not sure how I somehow forgot that Gay marriage was legalized under Obama.
2017-10-02 12:22
Not an idiot at all, I completely agree with the vast majority of everything you've posted on this thread. Obama had faults, but he did a great job of enforcing secular culture in a religious nation.
2017-10-02 13:13
+1
2017-10-03 00:49
what freedoms does christianity take away from us in the US? i'm not 1% religious and i honestly don't have any type of pressure or outside influence from a religious belief (except for seeing religious buildings)
2018-02-22 20:11
Both christianity and islam are the same shit but christians are more tolerated and civilazed than muslims
2017-10-01 22:44
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Brazil dogduckk 
first meaning -1 second meaning +2
2017-10-01 22:45
#83
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Brazil dogduckk 
I really do believe that the quran is worse, i guess im retarded then for not liking a religion who wants to irradicate all other religions and those who dont want to be muslims.
2017-10-01 22:37
#172
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Sweden akatsukina 
fakeflagger...
2018-02-22 20:12
#178
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Finland Cocks 
You do realize that islam tells to kill if a muslim leaves islam and all the people who are not mulims.
2018-02-22 21:23
take jesus as example and you have peace and love.
2017-10-01 19:36
But do you really need a religion do follow Jesus' flock mentality?
2017-10-01 19:39
no but he can be an example, not more not less.
2017-10-01 19:45
So would you agree that Religion is more or less just useless, than?
2017-10-01 19:46
no
2017-10-01 19:47
But you just argued for spirituality, so how does going to church and performing rituals make it any more legitimate?
2017-10-01 19:49
your believe is a very personal thing, you can't just say it makes sense or no sense, even from a scientifical point of view because our knowledge is very limited. mind is always evolving, maybe you come into a situation too where you change your thinking or search for something else. anyway people should be free to believe in what they want as long as it doesn't interfer with basic laws and hurt the personal freedom of other people.
2017-10-01 19:55
"you can't just say it makes sense or no sense, even from a scientifical point of view because our knowledge is very limited." Yes, I can. Most religions have some beliefs that are just wildly unscientific and unproven, so dedicating your life to said belief is ignorant by its very nature. I don't mind religion as long as it is kept as a private matter, like you advocated. I only have a problem with it when people think that their religion is so special that the state should pay for shrines and monuments in name of their religion.
2017-10-01 19:58
You can’t disprove or prove a religion, that’s what makes it controverisal. Just like you can’t use the laws of physics to describe the metaphysical.
2018-02-22 18:05
True, but you can disprove several stories in many of the holy books, based on science.
2018-02-22 18:06
But then you could always come up with an arguement about how god augments reality and you can’t use science to analyze the augmentation. You can’t have a scientific arguement about religion because it’s just a positive feedback loop about logical dilemmas.
2018-02-22 18:11
100% cancer, religion is stupid
2017-10-01 19:36
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Slovakia HanSoloBerger 
cancerous, absolutely
2017-10-01 19:38
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Poland Snacer1337 
very good
2017-10-01 19:40
Tell me why
2017-10-01 19:41
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Romania xnup 
religion is bullshit , when we get rid of that , maybe our world will get a little better
2017-10-01 19:41
I see the point of your comment. But despite the obvious flaws religions have (and terrorism is one of them), religion are here for a reason : it help people to suffer their life without going crazy, it is a glue who help societies to stand. In our society, without religion, how can you convice poor people to live their life? U can't, leading to rebellion for better way of leaving, communists organizing terror attacks and so on. In fact, religion even with their fanatics, lower the amount of violent action. So without it, our world we not be better, far from it. The only way for a better world without religion, is to get rid of poverty first, then we talk.
2017-10-01 22:52
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Romania xnup 
maybe you're right , maybe not , we'll never know , but religion along with money are the real problems in this world , remove those two and you could get a better future , if religion and the concept of money wouldn't have been created many many years ago , then maybe our lives would've been much much better today and probably we would've been more technologically advanced as well
2017-10-01 22:59
No man, money is not the problem, coz u can be rich or poor without money. Money is just a mean for exchanges. U can use camels, women, gold or whatever instead of money. U can still be poor or rich without money. U meant wealth probably, but end of wealth is end of private property, and some tried, it don't work on a big scale for us human of this millenium.
2017-10-01 23:03
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Romania xnup 
obviously removing money right now probably wouldn't be a great idea , but i'm saying that maybe if the concept of money wouldn't have been created in the first place , the world would've been way different right now , and instead of money , they could have created a totally different system where people would have worked for the better of the humans evolution , more peace less hate , less crimes , more minds to work together
2017-10-01 23:18
woa.... totally disagree. sounds like you're describing a socialist and/or communist society the concept of money is what drives people to contribute to society. of course curiosity, research, and theory are what drive the sciences, but why would you want to go to college for 4+ years without the incentive of a high paying job? i think that religion should be kept at a personal level. i honestly don't care what you believe in as long as you practice it in a safe manner, don't push it on others, and dont commit crimes in the name of said religion. religion itself is not a problem
2018-02-22 20:25
the world would 100% be worse off without religion.
2018-02-22 19:08
take any christian take any muslims that commits crime and kills in the name of religion and call them the right name and thats CRIMINALS. not muslims or christians media when muslims commits crime and stabs 3 - 4 ppl - IT WAS A MUSLIMS even forgot his passport at the crimescene Media when christian aka breivik kills 65 ppl inclduing kids- suspect breivik killed 65 ppl they dont mention his country/religion how come?
2017-10-01 19:42
But Islamic terrorists are often the ones who follow the Koran the most. Not to say that it is a good thing, but the argument that "terrorists are not real Muslims" is just ridiculous. What this goes to show is simply that your religion, whether it is Christianity or Islam is just violent at its core. But, yeah.. Good point on the last one.
2017-10-01 19:45
Just like it should be ‘mass shooting’ instead of ‘-insert race here- -insert gender here- shoots 7 people’
2018-02-22 18:07
No religion is bad. Unless religion is the sensitive point of people and others try to use their faith to have a power on them. I went to a TR server, I asked "Allah vs KennyS, who wins?", I got banned I joined the same server w/ another account, I literally liberated them by saying "we will promote dis server for Allah, for Allah's name" and shit, even tho I was banned by an admin later on xd TLDR: Religion is good, but makes you weak yes [sori for bed engelando btw, I arent feel ^^]
2017-10-01 19:44
usa is way worse than terrorists if u ask me in the last 20 years they took over atleast 10 countries and invented their own central banks in that countries and they say they fight against the terrorists in middle east, yet they always return with oil and gold... just shows how stupid humanity is becoming
2017-10-01 19:46
The US are statistically the biggest Terrorists on the planet. They commit state terrorism at a much larger scale than any other country.
2017-10-01 19:48
Become Orthodox
2017-10-01 20:25
Literally the worst of the major Christian ideologies.
2017-10-01 20:58
1st of all that's not true 2nd why, in your pov? 3rd where did you heard it from?
2017-10-02 16:37
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United States mcknzcsgo 
religion is a crutch, they are all basically the same. most religions make people have some kind of morals which is good i guess
2017-10-01 20:30
If you need religion to have "morals" than you are a very weak minded person.
2017-10-01 20:58
In the long term you can´t keep a society together without religion. Your Moral system is based in christianity, if you live in the west. Look at counties which have become massively atheist like sweden germany or the netherlands their birthrate is done for.
2017-10-01 21:03
If you actually believe that nonsense you have been 100% duped over by regurgitated Republican idiocy. Morals come from your instincts, not from the fucking Bible.
2017-10-31 04:31
Then why do men have the natural drive to be promiscuous but they refrain from doing so when it would obviously make you more genetically successful?
2018-02-22 18:09
Please, elaborate here. I don't see an instant connection from that to man-made religion.
2018-02-22 18:11
I was arguing that morals are not instinctual.
2018-02-22 18:12
Oh, of course not. Our instincts are to grow and prosper as individuals, but that doesn't mean that it comes from the Bible.
2018-02-22 18:57
Didn’t meant to insinuate that. I was implying that morale is a byproduct of a positive feedback loop caused by social involvement.
2018-02-22 19:04
It probably is. Not sure how that really is relevant if you don't believe the Bible is the reason for it though..
2018-02-22 19:05
I think biblical philosophy and way of life has molded the way we act, but the things that keeps it relevant are the expectations and judgement of peers.
2018-02-22 19:44
I don't certainly don't agree, but I respect your opinion .
2018-02-22 19:55
Then why is monogamy still prevelant?
2018-02-22 20:11
What has that got to do with anything? lol
2018-02-22 21:29
The only reason monogamy is still prevelant is the societal pressure and expectation of you from your peers.
2018-02-23 06:53
How the fuck is that relevant to the discussion. And why is that even necessary a bad thing?
2018-02-23 14:57
#85
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India wakar 
Any religion is cancer /close
2017-10-01 22:41
It's mainly unnecessary. Anything that can be done for humanity under the name of Christianity can be done through secular means.
2017-10-01 22:54
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India silentsudo 
Come to India and u will learn what sekolar means...
2017-10-01 23:04
What does that have to do with my post?
2017-10-01 23:07
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United States Ichthys 
Explain selflessness then. In what secular world is selflessness morally good? You can argue helping others in a secular world is morally good because it helps you in the long run. But selflessness, where you get no benefits in return can’t be argued for. In Christianity, if you look at selflessness as an investment, you don’t reap the rewards on earth. God rewards you in heaven. Without God, selflessness as an investment doesn’t reap you any rewards/benefits on earth.
2018-02-22 22:51
Help me understand something here. If you believe you're rewarded after your death for your actions, how does that make any of your actions more selfless than a person believing that he's rewarded for his actions during his life? ----- As for selflessness (in any world, secular or not) I'm not sure it's *necessarily* morally good. There are various degrees of selflessness and I think it's unhealthy, both for society and for the individual, to be too selfless. By sacrificing too much for others, you hurt yourself and your ability to help society in the end. There's also the problem of selflessness as a concept. I'm not sure it exists completely in human beings, I think people act mainly on their desires, and that means that even selfless actions come from the desires of the person, which makes it also, paradoxically, partly selfish. But that doesn't mean that selflessness doesn't exist at all: we can definitely categorize some actions as more selfless than other actions. It's just that it seems illusory to think that anyone acts truly and completely selflessly. And adding a divinity in the mix won't change the problem.
2018-02-22 23:56
#198
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United States Ichthys 
"how does that make any of your actions more selfless than a person believing that he's rewarded for his actions during his life?", because I am not being rewarded during my time on earth, that is why it is a selfless act. I don't gain anything by putting others before myself, especially when it is inconvenient. Yes, someday I will be rewarded but that is because I am being rewarded for my faith and willingness to be selfless. You can think about it like this, an act of selflessness does not guarantee a reward from God unless it is truly a selfless act. God knows our hearts so he will know if I am really doing it to score points (for personal gain), or if I'm doing it to really help another person. That's the difference. If someone does a selfless act on earth and doesn't believe in God, good for them, but you cannot argue that what they did was morally good without assuming a Christian worldview. A secular view cannot argue that this is morally good. A popular secular humanist point of view is that morals come from survival of the fittest, meaning that nothing is good unless it is done for the purpose of surviving. This sounds logically coherent and you can apply it to many aspects of your daily life. We eat healthily, we exercise, we treat others kindly because they can help us survive. All of this seems like it makes sense until you realize that there are people out there that sacrifice themselves daily for others for no gain. These are selfless acts, you can see them from just the tiniest act of service to the extreme and rare act of dying for someone. Romans 5:6-8 explains how Jesus was the perfect example of a sacrifice and doing a selfless act. "There are various degrees of selflessness and I think it's unhealthy, both for society and for the individual, to be too selfless." Elaborate on this if you don't mind; how can it be unhealthy?
2018-02-23 02:05
"because I am not being rewarded during my time on earth, that is why it is a selfless act." I know that, it was in my question. So I'll rephrase it: WHY is the fact that it happens after your time on earth relevant in any way regarding selfishness and selflessness? It's still you, your motivation for your actions was: your reward after your death, which makes it selfish, just as a person having his motivation for his actions being a reward during his life. ----- "I don't gain anything by putting others before myself, especially when it is inconvenient. " Well of course you gain something, that's why you said that "God rewards you in heaven". That's your gain right there. After all, would there be a reason for you to act "selflessly" if your divinity wasn't rewarding you after your death? ----- "Yes, someday I will be rewarded but that is because I am being rewarded for my faith and willingness to be selfless." And yet the fact that it's what motivates you to act "selflessly" makes it selfish in some way as well, since if you didn't have this desire for being rewarded after your death, you wouldn't act "selflessly". Or would you? ----- "You can think about it like this, an act of selflessness does not guarantee a reward from God unless it is truly a selfless act. God knows our hearts so he will know if I am really doing it to score points (for personal gain), or if I'm doing it to really help another person. That's the difference." I'll set aside the fact that you haven't established the existence of your divinity for now. How would YOU know whether or not something is truly a selfless act? Seems important if you're going to do these actions. Can only your divinity know or can you know as well? ----- "If someone does a selfless act on earth and doesn't believe in God, good for them, but you cannot argue that what they did was morally good without assuming a Christian worldview. A secular view cannot argue that this is morally good." I know it's frequent for Christians to assume that they hold the monopoly of being morally justified, but it surprises me every time I see the claim come up. Of course secular views can argue for what's morally good, there are many different views on morality and many of those (but certainly not all) are secular. There are some views which argue that pleasure is the source of morality, others that argue that well-being is the source of morality, others that argue that desires are the source of morality, etc... Of course, just like Atheists or believers other than Christians reject the idea that your divinity is the source of morality, you're free to reject these views as well, but please stop claiming that Christianity is the only view to have a basis for morality, that's not only false, but also nonsense. ----- "A popular secular humanist point of view is that morals come from survival of the fittest, meaning that nothing is good unless it is done for the purpose of surviving. This sounds logically coherent and you can apply it to many aspects of your daily life. We eat healthily, we exercise, we treat others kindly because they can help us survive." That seems quite limited, I doubt it's a humanist point of view (secular or not) . Humanists don't only care about survival, they care about what most humans care about, which is living good lives, for as many people as possible, so that's not limited to mere survival, but includes having decent means of living (not just surviving), having rich and fulfilling goals, being surrounded by interesting and cooperative peers, etc... But even if it was true that there was someone (let's call him Benny) who would argue that survival is the source of morality. Then Benny would have his own view on morality, and without requiring Christianity's. Whether or not you would agree that his view is true is another matter, whether his view would ACTUALLY be the correct one is also another matter, but regardless, he would have one without requiring yours. ----- "All of this seems like it makes sense until you realize that there are people out there that sacrifice themselves daily for others for no gain. These are selfless acts, you can see them from just the tiniest act of service to the extreme and rare act of dying for someone. Romans 5:6-8 explains how Jesus was the perfect example of a sacrifice and doing a selfless act." I agree, some people sometimes sacrifice stuff for others, sometimes their own life. So? Those are things that are explained by most models of morality out there (secular or not). Benny, our "survival-of-the-fittestist" would tell you that a mother would sacrifice herself for her child so that her offspring would survive and carry on her genes as well as the species. That would make it moral in his model. A strict utilitarian would tell you that he/she would die for 5 strangers because it ultimately maximizes well-being and minimizes suffering as a whole. That would make it moral in his/her model. Some believer could sacrifice himself/herself for someone else because he/she believes his/her divinity approves of it. That would make it moral in his/her model. ----- " Elaborate on this if you don't mind; how can it be unhealthy?" Well I thought I explained how in my previous comment: it can be unhealthy because by sacrificing too much for others, you could hurt yourself and/or your ability to contribute to society in the future. Worse, you could even hurt yourself and be as a result unable to help the person you intended to help in the first place. For example: if you and your friend are being mugged, assuming you know self-defense and he/she doesn't, you would be wise to defend yourself first if you want to be able to defend him/her. Or if you're in a plane which is having a problem, it's vital that you put on your mask first, and only then start helping others. A medic on the battlefield will need to make sure he's alive (and able) if he wants to be able to save his comrades. Those are examples of situations where being selfless is not advantageous, neither to you nor to other people, and could even end up with both you and the person you want to help dead. But even on the long term and more daily scenarios, sacrificing too much into helping others means that you're neglecting your own desires, which means that you're exposing yourself to depression or other mental struggles, which means that you're less able (if at all) to help others in the end.
2018-02-23 05:22
#108
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Indonesia yolorize 
you're basically asking (mostly) atheists what they think about religion in general. Lul. It's like asking many capitalists how they perceive the idea of collectivism.
2017-10-01 23:41
religion made the rules back in the days. Nowadays it's unnecessary in modern countries because there are even better and more specific rules/laws
2017-10-02 13:18
all religions are cancer and full of hate glad that i coud help you <3
2017-10-02 13:23
you need no god to be a good person
2017-10-02 13:24
#127
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Brazil vinnyzeraNTC 
I used to be a christian. I was a Seventh Day Adventist (the same religion of the soldier portrayed on the movie 'Hacksaw Ridge' if you've ever watched. Excellent movie, I recommend it). But anyway, around 3 years ago I began to slowly stop going to that church. I used to go to the church every Saturday morning with my family, but I never really fit in you know? Then when I reached the age of around 17 years old and I decided to look further into the doctrines and stuff, I realized that that kind of stuff was not for me. That a lot of things on the Bible (Adventists base their entire doctrines on the Bible alone, no other books except for a set of books of an american writer called Ellen G. White) didn't make sense and were contradictory as hell. For example, the God of love that they claim is actually not so love as they say. If you read the Old Testament you'll know. I don't know, but now I consider myself as an agnostic. I've studied the Bible for many years of my life to know exactly what I'm denying here. So, answering your questions, no, I don't believe in God and I think that Christianity and other religion in general were created by men with the finality of making easier money and it stuck around somehow. I think one day there'll be no more religions in the world. And yes, I think the world would be a much better place if there were no religions.
2017-10-02 16:46
great opinion!
2017-10-02 16:50
It should from in you heart and opinion. People arguing, over facts and he, she said everything. But for me christianity is about the individual. I'm a christian because of my experiences. I'd suggest you look into it for yourself. Not other peoples opinion. Good or bad! Hope whatever you gets will be positive on you! GL.
2017-10-03 00:58
My thoughts in a TLDR would be: Y'all mothafukkas (meaning everyone) need Jesus
2017-10-31 04:36
Cancer. All religions are cancer. They only want the money of their people. They doesnt care about the poverty and many other things. God doesn't exist
2017-10-31 09:21
all religions are basically legal drugs.
2017-10-31 09:25
I believe it is the least worst religion of all, a jew talking.
2017-10-31 09:26
Do you think that has anything do to with the fact that the US and other western forces have been systematically bombing middle-eastern territories for decades?
2018-02-22 18:02
religion is bullshit, some parts are a good guide for life but the rest is a horseshit to gain more control over the people cuz they scared to have fun cuz they might end up going to hell or heaven. god and other beings for sure exist but they have nothing to do with any religion. the best way is to become a spiritual believer but not a religious believer.
2018-02-22 18:09
Imo christianity is outdated, I think many young people just don't give a shit about it because it's not interesting
2018-02-22 19:09
#154
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United States SpazzyyCS 
i agree 100%
2018-02-22 19:16
#153
jks | 
United States SpazzyyCS 
god isnt real
2018-02-22 19:16
A world without religion is a world without morals, and without meaning. Wether religion is true or not it is crucial for humanity
2018-02-22 19:27
I only practice ChrisJtianity
2018-02-22 19:28
#162
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Portugal AEnema 
is a cancer cause Christianity arose from a Protestant who did not accept the conditions of the Roman emperor, so people have as a god a demonstrator does not make sense. I am against all religions because without them I believe that the world would make more sense for lives to have been spared and not just lives
2018-02-22 19:44
Pure Cancer
2018-02-22 20:11
#177
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United States Yeeeeeh 
real christanity is great but the usa has totallly fked that up. Real christains are jesus followers and all jesus did was good you cant find one bad thing he did in the bible as for islam you can fight the person they warship killed and did bad stuff /close
2018-02-22 21:20
#179
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CIS maaka 
weak religion
2018-02-22 21:24
#182
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Switzerland WilhelmTell 
i am atheist. imo religion is private and you shouldn't show it public
2018-02-22 21:38
religion is outdated and the fact that people actually still follow it in 2018 attests to how retarded humanity is
2018-02-22 21:45
i remember being 14 too rough times
2018-02-22 21:53
aww did I offend your fragile religion buddy? Don't worry, Jesus will comfort you moron
2018-02-22 22:40
im not christian nor am i religious mr teeny
2018-02-22 22:40
religion is for weak minded who seek answers from an invisible cosmic mage spoiler alert when you die you die, same way 13 billion years have passed before you were born
2018-02-22 22:51
+1
2018-02-22 23:52
Atheism is the worst religion
2018-02-23 02:07
#201
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Brazil Feio91 
Thanks christianity for science evolution, for crusades... god bless you!!
2018-02-23 05:32
As we can see in west europe if there is no christianity there appears islam. Christianity is just an european culture so
2018-02-23 11:00
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