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niko or cold top 1?
Sweden m4st4m4st3r4wp 
who should be top 1 this year? cold won a little more than niko so far but niko better big event stats. but niko failed at both majors and cold atleast made semis and quarters with good ratings. people saying fer have no clue what they talking about. so niko or cold?
2017-10-18 09:09
#1
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Niko no debate. And it shouldnt be cold that you put in that debate it should be fer.
2017-10-18 09:10
#4
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Brazil hotdog^ 
0/8
2017-10-18 09:11
Flag :D
2017-10-19 07:24
-niko - coldzera +hotdog^ +hotdog^
2017-10-19 14:16
#190
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United States K1ller7n19 
XD +1 Hotdog^ is good
2017-10-20 02:37
#368
s1mple | 
Europe Flexi3 
PashaBiceps top#1
2017-10-28 19:53
#161
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Netherlands flames333 
rain top 1
2017-10-19 17:07
#187
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Brazil hltvsuckers2 
+1 rain (despite of I dont like his superior face)
2017-10-20 02:23
#223
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World lzxow 
lul rain isn't even top 10 if you consider the whole year, maybe top 15 now, but if faze's era really happens, he can be top 10
2017-10-20 16:09
well he is deff top 3 in form, if u see past 3 months PL rating he got 1.30 same as niko, fer is at 1.23 and that's mostly NA played teams based for SK.
2017-10-20 16:14
#233
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World lzxow 
he is top 3 in the last 2 months, not in the year, we're talking about top 2 players in the year, no one fucks with cold and niko
2017-10-20 16:21
#260
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
If we're basing the top on performance over time > tournament wins Then the ranking should be something like. NiKo S1mple coldzera kennyS AdreN fer device konfig rain Snaxx? mayb, idk, mayb olof, both played well but their teams did meh.
2017-10-21 21:55
#264
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World lzxow 
based overall titles+performances
2017-10-22 02:47
#265
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
I believe that Top 10 should consider performance over the titles, still tho, NiKo should gets top 1 if he wins one or two tournaments before the end of the year and cold doesn't win any. But yeah, if it's just performance, then NiKo (all the year a total god), S1mple (It's been a long time since he's the only player on na'vi), Cold (he had a slow start when Astralis won the major, then he improved after summit but most of the glory was thanks to Fer's performance too, so that's why i can't give him over s1mple, he wasn't the only performer, fer had a huge impact) Then kenny/adren played amazingly but Kenny is inconsistent and AdreN doesn't play those many LAN games. Fer is just good atm, not a god anymore, when he goes insane they still lose so fuck that. Device, just for the beginning of the year. Konfig, he's good, no titles lul. rain, just for the mid of the year til now. Snaxx had an amazing beginning of the year, then the team went down to shit so yeah, Olof was performing really well at the beginning of the year, got a shit team to top 4 of the major, then JW and KRIMZ became the best players of the old-new fnc but he was still good, now on FaZe he's a good player and that's it. SO YEAH, idk, i'm not even considering NA players because they all were inconsistent af, same with Body, JW, Dupreeh, Kjaerbye, FalleN, etc...
2017-10-22 05:48
#274
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Europe RadiantTetsu 
kennys inconsistent on lan this year?
2017-10-22 15:41
#280
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
Inconsistent but not bad, he didn't perform at a carry level on every game and it seems that in both the major and this last ELeague he just underperformed. And at the beginning of the year he was kinda meh.
2017-10-22 16:51
#281
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World lzxow 
i think by now, cold is top 1 by a little margin (since faze started to win tournaments 1-2 months ago), but if faze do better than sk until the end of the year overall, niko will be the top 1, s1mple will not be top 1-2 bcoz he doesnt win anything, he just drops 25-30 every game like cold and niko does, but cold and niko are doing this and winning i also think both twistzz and Elige should be top 10 over rain and snax, they are playing amazingly since the start of the year, they made TL a top 5~7 team with consistency
2017-10-22 17:52
#234
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World lzxow 
i'm 100% sure that the top 1 and 2 of 2017 will be cold or niko
2017-10-20 16:22
#129
s1mple | 
Europe Flexi3 
No Niko, no cold Only s1mple top1 ever
2017-10-19 14:01
#146
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United States benk125 
EliGE=Top1
2017-10-19 14:56
#159
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Not even 1 international final in 2017 but yeah ok lul
2017-10-19 17:04
#162
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Serbia Jinxxcs 
(ESL NY 2017)
2017-10-19 17:07
#195
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Talked about simple.
2017-10-20 08:07
#238
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Serbia Jinxxcs 
oh lol
2017-10-20 16:35
+1 Niko <3
2017-10-19 17:36
Cold is good more consistently, Niko has higher peaks but is also less consistent. S1mple is still great it's just you never see him because NaVi is like a random FaceIt team. 1. Cold 2. S1mple 3.Niko 4. Fer 5. Rain/k0nfig/Twistzz
2017-10-20 02:44
#194
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Change niko with cold and fer with simple and you have a great list also remove twistzz from top 15. Basically change everything and simple cant be top 5 because no finals in2017.
2017-10-20 08:06
#202
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Denmark SpiteJ 
i was like "wtf twistzz? why in the world would a sane person put him there?" then i looked at your flag and it all fell into place.
2017-10-20 08:23
Twistzz has a higher rating than k0nfig, excluding the Brazilians, twistzz is probably NA's best player either him or Elige. The benefit of twistzz is that he's still a baby to top tier CS, he's only been on Liquid for 6 months, otherwise he's always been on shitter teams. At least he's more consistent than Dev1ce. i.ytimg.com/vi/6ygtXzT9aQk/maxresdefault..
2017-10-25 19:58
#305
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Denmark SpiteJ 
ofc your rating is gonna be high when you play vs tier 3-4 teams all the time xp but nt tho.
2017-10-25 20:29
You think EU doesn't have shit teams in comparison to the top teams? Good EU teams: Faze G2 Gambit Astralis North All the other EU teams are potatoes compared to those 5.
2017-10-28 02:42
gambit EU? nt, gambit is asian
2017-10-28 04:36
..... They play in EU and CIS leagues and qualifiers.
2017-10-28 11:23
sk plays in na leagues and qualifiers are they NA?
2017-10-28 14:39
According to the leagues they are.
2017-10-28 14:49
autistic
2017-10-28 16:39
So the leagues are wrong and autistic?
2017-10-28 20:57
#218
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Norway Onkelele 
s1mple does not even belong in top 10 in my opinion. Him and his team have no big accomplishments in 2017. I dont think s1mple is to blame for his performance though. We all know what he is capable of.
2017-10-20 15:53
A player's skill is not dependent on their team's accomplishments. Niko still got mass praise as possibly the best player while on mouseports despite them never winning anything.
2017-10-25 20:00
#311
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Norway Onkelele 
Its not like s1mple is a top 10 category player in 2017. But you make a good point.
2017-10-25 22:40
But simple performs nobmattervwhat
2017-10-28 04:26
#329
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Norway Onkelele 
He really doesn't.
2017-10-28 14:26
That's just a plain lir
2017-10-28 14:28
ferGOD
2017-10-23 03:16
COLDZERA 2017 3 MVPs Best Rating than Niko Best ADR than Niko Best MAJORs than Niko Notably more IQ than Niko Most consistent player of the year!!
2017-10-25 20:33
#310
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Im picking niko. Because there a 2 different roles and cold is much much more passive. So yeah getting better stats is easier oh and for half of the year his team was better. Niko > Cold
2017-10-25 20:43
#333
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Europe keNLey94 
NiKo overextent alot when he make something amazing coldzera doesn't he keeps performing and does everything right whenever the teams need it NiKo is god very good but you can find alot of clips where he has a 2vs5 situation or something like that where you can see it becomes down to a 2vs1 and then he decides to overextent to get the ace or something like that so coldzera is the best
2017-10-28 14:33
#339
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Fan of sk. Not biased at all lul
2017-10-28 16:45
#343
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Europe keNLey94 
im not just fan of SK i see how people play idiot
2017-10-28 17:01
#344
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Fan of sk says cold is best. I wont waste my time here. 2017 Niko > Cold 2017 /closed
2017-10-28 17:23
#346
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Europe keNLey94 
yeah because world best player should not overextent just because you make a 3k or 4k and NiKo does coldzera doesn't he plays for he's team and make good decision niko doesn't alltime I saw that i mousesports and also here in faze so close yourself
2017-10-28 17:36
#347
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Cold is better because he had a better team before faze got olof and guardian. After those 2 they won 2 tournaments with no map drops. Cold had Fallen,Fer (Which is better than cold just so you know), Felps. And they were exiting groups. Lmao best player my ass when he is not even best in his team stats say that and impact that for example has for his team is far bigger. Cold is good when his team is good because that is his style. Niko is the team just look how he changed faze when he came there. And Eleague season 1. You have no idea how much better niko is than cold.
2017-10-28 18:11
#348
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Europe keNLey94 
well FaZe were allready a top team before NiKo came I can still as I said before find multiple clip where cold is making cluthes from nothing and NiKo was pretty toxic against his teammates in mousesports and I am fan of mousesports aswell so don't say it's because I'm fan of SK coldzera playstyle alone and with his team is amazing he never freeze out NiKo freeze out jsut like he did against VP here in epicenter NiKo was also a part of mosuesports where they went to play so fucking bad because he trough everything was about him look now mosuesports has beated FaZe with ropz instead of NiKo that would never had happen with NiKo on mousesports so he's impact on a team is pretty bad if it doesn't go well and fer is good aswell but when it comes to overall play coldzera has and will always have the best stats and outcome it's fair enought you say NiKo but NiKo and s1mple has the same weakness they keep hunting when it's not neccesary that's a basic thing you need to know when you play counter-strike neither fer or coldzera does that
2017-10-28 18:19
#353
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
First off all you said cold has no freeze tournaments pff just look at eleague premier so that is first. Secondly you are not a top team if you go to tournaments and you are at best dark horse team when niko came they immediatly became top 3 so again 2 of your arguments are wrong. Thirdly you are talking about ropz and how mousesports improved well did niko have, sunny, ropz, and oskar outside off 2 lans where in 1 he was bad and he was playing witn no great players for a year unlike coldzera who had in his career Fallen,Fer,Boltz,Fnx,Felps. And niko is an emotional player but not toxic if he doesnt clutch a round he might smash a desk but he will never be toxic to his teammates. And niko and s1mple are two different players Niko is a complete player that has no flaws because he improved mentally and skill wise from mousesports but s1mple is not as skillful or as mentally tough. And niko has a lot of clutches too but most of his best plays are from mid round and cold cant do that because he relies on his team to make that impact , is he a great player hell yeah a top 5 one but niko is better. I completely debunked your opinion on many things except for mousesports being better but then again mousesports have 3 players who can be star like and not like the old mousesports with niko alone.
2017-10-28 18:51
#354
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Europe keNLey94 
youtube.com/watch?v=LKdYuOwjhxA never toxic against he's teammates? you can't win every single game but coldzera won most tournaments so that's kinda just says it all but you can keep saying you will say NiKo is the best for me he will never be the best and FaZe clan is not based on NiKo dude and you are not the worlds best player when you talk to you teammates like that and overpeeks situations where the bomb needs 7 seconds to explose and dies and lose the round for your team he litterly did that vs astralis in the final at iem katowice even the commentator said "he doesn't need to peek" he just need to hide 3 more seconds then peek and kill gla1ve but he decides to overpeek and die and gla1ve defuse the bomb if that's how you become the worlds best player then you most be joking
2017-10-28 19:07
#355
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Yea he said that because he wanted to stop teammates arguing about last round which helps he explained it why he said it. So you are a noob that doesnt watch interviews and talks nonsense. So yeah niko was trying to make the team focus. And your qoute "you can't win every single game but coldzera won most tournaments" Yeah look at his teams what players he had. Its a team game and cold always had better players. Cold also had errors like: youtube.com/watch?v=Ik3GgugOVP8 . So got anything else ?
2017-10-28 19:21
#356
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Europe keNLey94 
If the world best player can't win anything with a team as mousesports then you are not the worlds fucking best since ropz can has won more money with mousesports allready than NiKo had in 2 years so wtf dude you really need to stop watching stats and look how people play the game and learn to understand what the game is about
2017-10-28 19:25
#359
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
ropz Had sunny, and oskar with great mentallity, also styko is good. And niko had nothing nex should have been 2nd best player and was so shit after gob b left. So again ur not looking at the team and of course cold has win because he had fallen and fer since 2015
2017-10-28 19:28
#362
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Europe keNLey94 
youtube.com/watch?v=U7m654UmFww just says it all NiKo holds the angel and knows where cold is coming from and I look on how cold become what is he if you watch back to 2015 esl one katowice fallen and fer was not that good when they signed cold
2017-10-28 19:30
#369
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
He walked in the spray unlucky. And they started to win when fallen and fer became gods. Coincidence ? So please cold always had better teammates until faze got guardian and olof so you can say anything about winning. You want me to show niko highlights ? Trust me i can do that but i will have to make 300 comments so please dont waste my time. You are trying to make a case with highlights lmao. You cant back up coldzera's case as being the best player so you are showing highlights.
2017-10-28 20:01
#370
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Europe keNLey94 
I can but I won't because I don't needs to show a guy from lithuania that he is the best I will enjoy him rekt VP tomorrow with a great performence so enjoy your NiKo playing let me see is it ECS matches they have tomorrow?
2017-10-28 20:50
#373
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Best player got beaten 2 times in a row in B03 by liquid. Niko>Cold and also learn how to write words properly.
2017-10-28 21:16
#374
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Europe keNLey94 
why should I :)? last time I checked your best player lost against SK with a standin in a B03 and also to VP
2017-10-28 21:36
#377
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Well you lost to liquid with full lineup B03 2 times in a row. Much worse ;)
2017-10-28 22:03
#379
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Europe keNLey94 
atleast it's something new when SK lose doesn't seems to be a problem for your NiKo xD
2017-10-28 22:06
#381
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Best team in the world lost to liquid 2 times in a row xdd
2017-10-28 22:07
#382
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Europe keNLey94 
and your country doesn't have a pro team xD
2017-10-28 22:10
#383
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
And you are so ashamed of yours that you have no flag.
2017-10-28 22:36
#385
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Europe keNLey94 
I'm from denmark :)
2017-10-28 22:47
#2
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Lithuania Vortexqp 
Cold lul. Ofc niko
2017-10-18 09:10
why lul?
2017-10-18 09:14
Current form of course.
2017-10-18 09:16
Lul because you don't know lul
2017-10-19 13:12
#3
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Luxembourg alex24 
cold achieved nothing in 2017 he may be top3 or 4 niko is the most skilled and consistent player in 2017 so far top2 is flusha for sure
2017-10-18 09:11
#5
coldzera | 
World KhR123 
U funny dude flusha in 2k17. Fnatic doesnt win a fucking tournament for ages.
2017-10-18 09:12
#29
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Luxembourg alex24 
sk won only 2 t1 events this year.. ecs and cologne the rest are just t4 events.. i`m sorry
2017-10-18 11:28
what have fnatic won ?
2017-10-18 18:33
#41
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Luxembourg alex24 
3 majors
2017-10-19 07:07
#47
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Estonia ODAAks 
"sk won only 2 t1 events this year" "fnatic won 3 majors" nice brain
2017-10-19 07:25
#50
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Luxembourg alex24 
he asked what fnatic won... not when.. nice brain ivan
2017-10-19 07:36
#57
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Afghanistan crywolf1337 
ur answer was a shit move to compare all time fnatic achievements vs 1 year of sk... ROFL what country is that shithead?
2017-10-19 08:15
#94
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Luxembourg alex24 
why y took the bait ?
2017-10-19 12:15
Alte 8
2017-10-20 16:50
Holy shit ur dumb
2017-10-19 09:34
#96
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Luxembourg alex24 
why y took the bait ?
2017-10-19 12:16
Very very mucho retarded
2017-10-19 10:16
#95
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Luxembourg alex24 
why y took the bait ?
2017-10-19 12:15
#117
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Netherlands ImKuru 
you say it's bait now because you realise you are retarded
2017-10-19 13:16
#118
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Luxembourg alex24 
not really no its a well planed bait with mutiple layers like inception and you took it hardcore
2017-10-19 13:20
2017-10-19 14:59
#341
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Brazil norigui 
+1
2017-10-28 16:48
:thinking:
2017-10-19 15:03
#56
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China Captain_TYLOO 
3 majors rekt noob
2017-10-19 08:12
I dont like SK, but they actually won 3 t1 events (IEM Sydney, ECS S3, Cologne) But FaZe also won 3 t1 events, and ELEAGUE Premier > all except majors
2017-10-19 08:31
cant count Sydney as a t1, it was a small 8 team tournament where half of the teams where lokal tier 50 teams. This ment that the good teams had no possible way of missing semi finals. Sydney needed 2 good games to be won. a real big t1 tournament features all the good t2 teams as well that will kick t1 teams ass if they dont play on top lvl in groups or quarter finals. Sydney was t1,5 tournament at best.
2017-10-19 09:09
iem sydney is tier 3 event LUL?
2017-10-19 13:22
IEM Sidney is a big tournament
2017-10-25 20:34
#313
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Luxembourg alex24 
for kangaroos and koalas
2017-10-26 06:52
haha flusha 1.03 rating agains some shit t5 teams
2017-10-18 09:13
cold won 5 tournaments this year. dh summer, cs summit, iem sydney, ecs, cologne and had better placings at majors. niko won starladder, new york and eleague and bad placings at majors. cold had mvp at dh summer, cs summit and sydney. niko had mvp at starladder and new york. my only worries about niko is that he achieved nothing at the majors.
2017-10-18 09:13
i think he will be 3 and higher. niko defi top 1 lul
2017-10-18 09:15
#11
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Summit doesnt count. That was tier 500 tournament where the only top 5 team was sk
2017-10-18 09:16
And dh summer
2017-10-18 09:30
#19
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Exactly
2017-10-18 09:40
#28
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Luxembourg alex24 
and IEM sydney
2017-10-18 11:27
0/8
2017-10-19 08:32
favela spotted
2017-10-18 10:13
S1mple most consistent
2017-10-19 15:19
#188
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Brazil hltvsuckers2 
wtf are you saying, could win many more MVPs than nikko, your piece of shit.
2017-10-20 02:24
#254
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Romania traffut 
couldzera?
2017-10-20 18:03
#257
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Brazil hltvsuckers2 
Android automatic language corrector...I hate technologies
2017-10-20 19:58
autimatic*
2017-10-28 04:38
lol faze only won a single tournament, already SK won a 4 and 3 were tier 1 for sure cold top 1 niko did nothing besides what had to do niko top 2 (I only speak truths) and no use crying I can show you statistics niko ball-sucker
2017-10-20 15:01
#207
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Luxembourg alex24 
why u hurt so bad ? sk won ecs and cologne the rest are just tier4 like their rank of course :)
2017-10-20 15:24
#342
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Brazil Lucas_Konen 
HAHAHAHAHAHAH HOW MUCH?
2017-10-28 16:50
#387
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Luxembourg alex24 
why are you replying after 8 days ? are you a masochist ?
2017-10-30 07:20
#397
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Brazil Lucas_Konen 
yeah
2017-10-30 20:15
#12
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Czech Republic brooklyn[F] 
For the biggest part of 2k17 fer has been the foundation of their results. More impact than cold. On the other hand he also fucked up a possible title vs g2 with the banana push. Either way, i think niko would be top1 anyways.
2017-10-18 09:16
Top 20 gotta be some combo of these boys Coldzera,fer,fallen,Niko,rain,oskar,GTR,f0rest, AdreN,Kaerbye,dupreeh,HEN1/KnG, snax,Kenny,Screamy,device - Niko won't be top one.
2017-10-19 09:11
KnG? I arent think that
2017-10-19 09:23
+RpK aswell, he's been more consistent than ScreaM.
2017-10-19 09:30
#100
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Brazil lopanBR 
+1
2017-10-19 12:37
#132
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Australia Raychippy 
but he hasn't won anything this year and just being "consistent" is not enough. You will have to be on NiKo level when he was on Mouz to be in top 20
2017-10-19 14:02
yeah true, his team has been shit.
2017-10-20 02:20
he was the highest rated player of eleague even though his team didnt win
2017-10-20 02:44
#101
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Czech Republic brooklyn[F] 
Niko, Cold, S1mple, Oskar, Fer, Fallen, Snax, Pascha, f0rest, Dupreeh, AdreN, Hobbit, Device, Rain, Elige, autimatic, kennyS, Guardian, konfig, tabsen. In no particular order.
2017-10-19 12:38
snax +pasha no way. Snax on 20 max and thats it
2017-10-19 18:12
#175
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Czech Republic brooklyn[F] 
its about all of 2017. You forgot how good VP was the first 3/4 months?
2017-10-19 18:13
They weren't good enough to feature two players in top20 imo. They were decent, but nothing special. T2 team
2017-10-19 18:14
#180
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Czech Republic brooklyn[F] 
then why do you think Tabsen should be in top20?
2017-10-19 19:03
He shouldnt
2017-10-19 20:36
#183
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Czech Republic brooklyn[F] 
okay, because you didnt mention him.
2017-10-19 20:40
Stopped reading at snax & pasha, sry :D
2017-10-19 20:47
#185
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Czech Republic brooklyn[F] 
than your knowlegde of BAD :D XOXO
2017-10-19 21:25
Also ELIGE :)
2017-10-20 16:41
>2017 >GTR, f0rest, snax, ScreaM in top 20 Pick one.
2017-10-22 16:20
You messed up that meme but a for effort
2017-10-23 17:23
#13
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Sweden abccbadeffed 
NiKo
2017-10-18 09:20
Rain
2017-10-18 09:24
#15
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United Kingdom Athreos 
cold ofc
2017-10-18 09:26
niko ofc
2017-10-18 09:27
(rain fans coming in) NiKo
2017-10-18 09:30
rain is not the best this year, but the best this month atleast
2017-10-18 10:10
#157
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Romania nJaxi 
these months
2017-10-19 16:48
#20
France Wyrd 
niko. HLTV rankings are based mainly on big events which means : hltv.org/stats/events?startDate=2017-01-.. (i.e. dh summer, cs summit, iem sydney mean pretty much nothing). Based on this : 1. Niko has better stats, 2. Faze have better results, 3. Niko has 2 mvp awards (cold 0) fer #2 cold #3 would be relevant actually.
2017-10-18 10:01
Cold has 3, actually
2017-10-18 18:39
#53
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Finland iPaZ 
from tier 3 events
2017-10-19 07:55
nvm
2017-10-19 08:34
niko groupstage at two majors
2017-10-18 19:01
Everyone casually forgets how shit faze were at the start of this year
2017-10-19 09:11
so what? we're talking about individual players
2017-10-19 14:48
Still its indivual fer has it
2017-10-21 15:18
Retard detected!! FaZe and Niko were a shit in 2 Majors Niko never went to major playoffs!! FaZe is so inconsistent !! SK and Coldzera are always fighting for the main events
2017-10-25 20:36
#21
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United States Quanxd 
Niko of course
2017-10-18 10:03
SK will win another 3 consecutive championships this year
2017-10-18 10:17
4.6/8
2017-10-19 09:25
#208
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Brazil Roufas 
I love how precise you are with these numbers haha
2017-10-20 15:24
#390
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Pakistan bkr_xraazer 
well they are on track to do that my friend
2017-10-30 18:27
#25
Snax | 
Russia SelVoice 
Now Nik0,but in the last year Cold
2017-10-18 10:19
rain top 1 cry is free
2017-10-18 10:24
#27
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Taiwan Gpoint 
Cold have 3 MVPs this year but all from relatively smaller events. He has the best average Major rating, but being eliminated in quarterfinals might make it less persuasive. Considering the recent form, NiKo has an upper hand if he can win more events and even MVPs in the following two months.
2017-10-18 10:29
Device
2017-10-18 11:30
seized top1
2017-10-18 18:35
Top 1 decoy
2017-10-19 09:26
#33
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Netherlands Vincenz0 
would love to see rain run away with the nr1 spot at the end of the year, shame it wont happen probably ;<
2017-10-18 18:38
#35
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Thailand kodakTriHard 
considering the rest of the year will be shit for sk and really good for faze this thread is dumb /close
2017-10-18 18:39
#36
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Europe HowAboutNo 
Rain
2017-10-18 18:39
#37
f0rest | 
Uzbekistan xeztoR 
coldzera #1
2017-10-18 18:40
It's too soon to say for sure. The last events of the year will dictate how the top 20 is gonna look like. If FaZe keep up the great form, NiKo gonna get top1 and rain top3.
2017-10-18 19:05
It's gonna be cold guys... 1 - Cold 2 - Niko 3 - fer 4 - rain 5 - s1mple 6 - falleN 7 - KennyS 8 - dev1ce 9 - k0nfig 10 - AdreN 11 - Kjaerbye 12 - f0rest 13 - Zeus 14 - Snax 15 - Pasha
2017-10-18 19:14
#43
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Brazil soubarney 
wardell beats fallen and kenny
2017-10-19 07:17
kenny zeus snax pasha LUL 2017
2017-10-19 07:30
lol kennyS hard carries G2 every match, 4 mvps this year, lots of highlights and top fragging snax carried vp the whole year, had really good plays and highlights at the beggining of the year
2017-10-19 09:31
Carried VP" And where is VP??
2017-10-19 10:33
People tend to see only the present, but they forget that 2017 began in january.
2017-10-19 17:26
yeah? He carried them to what?
2017-10-19 18:54
major finals, dh masters Las Vegas
2017-10-19 19:28
#196
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
Thats not enough to make top 15
2017-10-20 08:10
So there should be no other players than Sk/g2/faze's players in the top 15? Do you understand that it's not a team ranking?
2017-10-20 15:49
#224
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
Snax has been terrible in 2017. Do you understand that ranking are from this year not past ones ?
2017-10-20 16:08
I do actually and he's been doing great for something like 3 months then became invisible since VP had the biggest slump ever. I'm not even discussing if he should be in top 15 or at which place he should be but the fact that you're saying that carrying his team through two big event isn't enough to make it to the top 15 then let s just make a top 15 with g2/faze/sk players cause nobody else has won more titles.
2017-10-20 17:57
#256
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
Yes because 2 months cant give you a top 20 ranking if you are shit for the rest of the year. You can be godlike for 1 month and do shit in other 11 and you will not make top 20. Even if thats the best month that everybody had. Simple as that and no g2 in my opinion should have 2, sk 3-4, faze 2 (if olof and guardian keeps this form then yeah 4), nip forest should be in 16-20, north - k0nfig, Astralis dupreeh,device,xyp, kjearbye if he steps up right now even tho he is major mvp, Adren. See no place for snax not his year.
2017-10-20 18:47
12 - f0rest LOL.
2017-10-19 07:40
1 - NIKO 2 - FER 3 - COLD 4 - FALLEN 5 - DEVICE
2017-10-19 07:59
Fallen hasn't even been that good this year.
2017-10-20 02:39
#111
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Ukraine beaztoff 
cold 1st luuuul
2017-10-19 13:09
Funny thing is that people only see the present, they forget that 3 months ago everybody was saying Cold was the best of all time. The ranking is based on the whole year, Cold was the best for 8 months, NiKo is the best for 2, there's no way NiKo is gonna be first. Don't be delusional.
2017-10-19 17:33
#197
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
Off all time ? Only one who said it was you favelas. The goat is get_right atleast in csgo.
2017-10-20 08:13
Cold 1
2017-10-19 07:16
When Niko makes his team win so much as Coldzera did , we can talk.
2017-10-19 07:18
#92
ARTeMis | 
Australia zebO 
I don't think Cold ever won an event for SK on his own shoulders. His stats are hugely padded by being an eco frag hunting potato xD. Mop frags are Cold's best friend. 1.niko 2.rain 3.whocares
2017-10-19 11:48
Ok
2017-10-19 13:04
Fer is the eco fragger of SK
2017-10-19 13:45
#198
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
Dumbass. Fer is basically making openings on ct side cold has skill bit he is always the last entrying or 4th.
2017-10-20 08:14
And? He is still the eco fragger, when he knows the enemy team is on an eco, he buys the mac-10 and just hunts for everyone.
2017-10-20 12:34
#204
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
If he is eco fragger then cold is exit fragger. Dumb statement from you.
2017-10-20 14:30
why are you calling me dumb? I am not talking about cold, I just said fer is an eco hunter. You are a blind fanboy.
2017-10-20 15:32
#214
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
So playing with ak in gun rounds against m4's or other way around is eco hunting ? stfu your knowledge just proved that most common rank is gn2. Congratulations you played yourself.
2017-10-20 15:43
''when he knows the enemy team is on an eco, he buys the mac-10 and just hunts for everyone.'' <<<<------------ This is the reason I'm calling fer an eco hunter,I hope you realize you are being a blind fanboy.
2017-10-20 15:49
#222
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
I hate sk just open your eyes he does the same thing on gun rounds and is always postive and gets frags. Stfu gn2
2017-10-20 16:07
You are pathetic.
2017-10-20 16:14
#232
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
Watch more games before making a fool of yourself.
2017-10-20 16:18
#158
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Romania nJaxi 
2017-10-19 16:50
#209
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Brazil Roufas 
You maybe didn't watch the many colds 3 v 1s as I did I suppose? Dude has been carrying SK on his shoulders even though SK is shit atm.
2017-10-20 15:26
Brazilians from up above are so delusional :D.
2017-10-19 07:24
Right now I would say Niko, but we have to wait until the year ends.
2017-10-19 07:31
cold or niko? rain!
2017-10-19 07:50
#55
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Sweden ThorinEk 
niko
2017-10-19 08:06
At the moment it's clearly Niko from those two.
2017-10-19 08:32
cold > niko mad kids can be mad
2017-10-19 08:35
#199
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
Fer,niko,k0nfig>> cold your opinion is irrelevant.
2017-10-20 08:14
sure, kid, sure
2017-10-20 16:46
#242
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
sure, kid, sure
2017-10-20 16:47
#63
fnx | 
Brazil mourantc 
coldzera is not being the great player that was last year, NiKo has been highlighting more this year and yes should take the top1
2017-10-19 08:37
1. AdreN 2. device 3. coldzera 4. Kjaerbye 5. NiKo 6. s1mple 7. fer 8. GuardiaN
2017-10-19 08:45
#75
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Russia QwaRrrr 
Kajerbai rak je , rating like dosia, Niko<rain,fer>s1mpol , Guardian krasawa
2017-10-19 09:23
#112
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Ukraine beaztoff 
fer > s1mple LOL
2017-10-19 13:11
#125
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Russia QwaRrrr 
Typical xoxol
2017-10-19 13:36
#154
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Ukraine beaztoff 
u russian pig?
2017-10-19 16:13
#155
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Russia QwaRrrr 
pig eto tvoya mama i iz neyo ti svarganish mne sala. ti pozor sovetskogo naroda
2017-10-19 16:44
#156
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Ukraine beaztoff 
v tom to i delo, chto ya ne sovetskiy narod
2017-10-19 16:45
no fking way adren will be n1 and guardian? LOL
2017-10-19 09:32
ez
2017-10-19 08:46
1. Slemmy 2. Byali 3. Maniac 4. Smithzz 5. Niko
2017-10-19 08:50
#68
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Russia Enkell 
Who? Smithzz?
2017-10-19 08:59
#288
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Brazil Marcola 
Best CS GO Awper of all time, but he got tired after rapping every team, so, he retired.
2017-10-23 04:00
#67
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Russia Enkell 
Fer
2017-10-19 08:59
#70
rain | 
Russia mitiss 
rain
2017-10-19 09:10
niko has better rating this year in big events.
2017-10-19 09:19
Coldzera
2017-10-19 09:36
#84
JW | 
World fakenatic 
I realized only Brazillian fan boys will say Cold is first.
2017-10-19 09:37
1. Xantares 2. Lantares 3. Vactares 4. Cantares 5. Banderas
2017-10-19 09:44
#102
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Brazil lopanBR 
SeratnaX
2017-10-19 12:38
what kind of shitty bait thread is this? coldzera by far. no contest
2017-10-19 10:04
#200
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
Cold is not even best in his team what are you smoking ?
2017-10-20 08:15
#87
World AFNO 
NiKo's hype is kinda more than it should be. People forget he's part of a superteam. Why did FaZe run so fast to change their roaster? If NiKo is as incredible of a player as everybody else make him to be it shouldn't have been a problem to carry his team, no? This is the difference between Cold and Niko. SK rarely change their roaster (they did when external problems happened). A simple example is the PGL major. Where was NiKo to save FaZe in the group stages? Yet did you see how cold basically carried SK through the group stages? Clutches, 3k's 4k's left and right. Against Astralis he was a bit quieter, and FelleN losing every duel with dev1ce was the nail in SK's coffin. Look at ESL One NY. SK lost, but cold still had 1.47 raiting. NiKo while destroying with his team got 1.70 and won the tournament. It was a thing of beauty the Inferno played by SK and Liquid. in the most of the 1st half of the match cold was carrying SK ONCE AGAIN. He brought the match back, won a monster clutch in OT, but they still lost the map. SK have won all matches against FaZe this year. In Sydney cold smashed NiKo. The beating was brutal. Cologne... domination as well. So what did FaZe do? Bring more firepower and they started winning. That being said cold is still brining the high numbers, and carrying his team in a lot of the matches while I don't see NiKo doing that. In FaZe everybody's stealing the spotlight all the time as befitting for a superteam. All of that said, NiKo has an insane aim, but cold is on another level the way I see it. But the nr 1 spot will be decided by the few tournaments left to play.
2017-10-19 10:09
#93
ARTeMis | 
Australia zebO 
Out at eleague in groups. 10/10 carry. Faze can't beat SK now when SK can't make it out of groups ecksdee
2017-10-19 11:50
Out at PGL Major in groups. Out at ELEAGUE Major in groups.
2017-10-19 12:39
#134
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Australia Raychippy 
actually FaZe made it to quarters in ELEAGUE...
2017-10-19 14:14
And? As Washington pointed out FaZe dropped out of groups in one of the most important tournaments of the year. And even when they won it wasn't NiKo alone being on top of everybody else, it was a team effort. So the hype is a bit too much. SK didn't make it through the groups of 1 tournament and people are all over them. It happens. At the beginning of the year after ELEAGUE major SK dropped out in 2 consecutive tournaments... in the groups. And after that they worked hard and won 5 out of the 6 tournaments they played in the middle of the year. That, my friend, is a character of a true champion team. What did FaZe do after they dropped in the groups? Roaster change, let's get more star players to boost out firepower. Where was the so-called number 1 player in the world NiKo? This is not befitting behavior of a number 1 team and of a number 1 player. This is why I have so much respect for that team. Such strong competitors. If Fnx wasn't being a troublemaker they would've never changed him. He's an amazing player, and by now SK probably would have had a 3rd major win on their belt, but Fnx is Fnx.
2017-10-19 12:59
#135
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Australia Raychippy 
This guy knows whats up!
2017-10-19 14:15
The difference between Niko and Cold is that Faze changes their team? What? Everything you just said can be said for Coldzera aswell, mb Coldzera got them out of the groupstages (while losing against BIG, can't even carry enough against a t3 team) and yet they lost the very next round. Where was Cold? If he is the N1 player he should be able to carry his team through. In his time in Mouz, Niko has shown more than once that he is a superstar, putting up great numbers while losing, don't make that a Cold thing. It's not special that hes putting up great numbers while losing, Niko has done so for a very long time. SK have won all matches so far yes but you are delusional if you think they are currently on the same level. SK was lucky that they didn't meet Faze in the last few tournaments, it would have most likely been a beating. Since the start of the year a lot has changed, prime SK vs current Faze would be a great matchup but SK vs Faze now would probably not even be close. So stop pretending like Cold is some outstanding player that can't be rivaled by anybody. Cold and Niko are very similar players in that they are both very smart, helping their IGLs out a lot (according to Fallen and Karrigan) and they both are very good AWP and Riflers, only that Niko is way better with Pistols (Deagle) than Cold. Cold is certainly not "on another level" hes at best a little better.
2017-10-20 16:39
You went out of your way to write this long comment, yet you said nothing. How did you manage to butcher the meaning of my comment to such extend? "The difference between Niko and Cold is that Faze changes their team? What?" This is not what I meant. I meant that NiKo couldn't carry FaZe... not even with the amazing performance of rain. They had to change roaster to get more star players, so they could start winning. Meanwhile when SK got out of group stages in 2 tournaments in a row they continued to train and destroyed everybody in the middle of they year. This for me is a champion team, and cold as a solid player in every aspect in the number 1 player. People say NiKo could be number 1, but he's not carrying his team at all. Not even close. While he wins clutches and gets quite some kills... so does olof..... so does rain... so does Guardian. Their recent success has been a team effort. If he was as amazing of a player as people make him to be... he'd have made the old FaZe lineup work, he'd have been the core of their success, and they wouldn't have lost at the major 0-3 at the group stage. NiKo spoke of how he found the right team, bla bla, and then when they lost.... roaster change, let's get more firepower. I repeat, this does not sound like the number 1 player/number 1 team. NiKo showed he's good at Mousz, but not once was he able to carry them to something great. This is not a valid argument. There are a lot of super stars in the scene, but cold's on top of em all and that's for a reason. I'm not delusional. Karrigan has never won against SK with FaZe for a reason. While SK are having a bit of a slump cold is still destroying and carrying a lot of the time. SK Gaming is very often called Coldzera Gaming for a reason. FaZe on the other hand is called a superteam... because they bought star players and stacked them into a team in order to win. Cold and NiKo are not similar at all. Cold is smarter in the way he approaches the game. NiKo on the other hand has sharper aim. If NiKo's aim is off his score is awful. Cold with his amazing positioning, timings and plays gets good scores even in a off day. This speaks a lot of how different they are. Edit: And about the BIG loss... Cold had an amazing performance and messed up only 1 clutch. The main reason they lost was the cockiness of FalleN to play Inferno against them. There was a key round that was won because of the bug jump, and one more with unfortunate timings. While cold was wrecking in the groupstage NiKo was getting curvestomped, and that's the truth of it. So no, the same can't be said for cold.
2017-10-20 17:47
> You went out of your way to write this long comment, yet you said nothing. As you just did. Not once throughout your comment do you provide any way to compare the players, anything that could be quantified. You said a lot of things but in the end it's just words without meaning or purpose. >They had to change roaster to get more star players, so they could start winning. As if SK was not a team of star players, name me a player you would replace (maybe besites felps). Fer probably the best player on SK and imo easily a top 10 player, if not top5. Fallen is at least a top 3 IGL who is on top of that a world class awper. Taco is one of the best support players you can get. Mix that with Cold and you have a team of superstar players, so I don't know what you are on about with Faze building a team of stars when that is exactly what SK is all about. >Meanwhile when SK got out of group stages in 2 tournaments in a row they continued to train and destroyed everybody in the middle of they year. Because they already have the best team. There is nobody they could replace that would fit (and speak Portugese). Maybe it is because they work hard of them but we just don't know. >People say NiKo could be number 1, but he's not carrying his team at all. What should I even say about that, he carried Mouz for what felt like an eternety, being the only factor they ever won against bigger teams. Carrying the hardest that probably any player in CSGO has up to now carried a team. Now he gets players who actually frag, help him out, who he can rely on and now people come up and say that he would need to carry harder to be considered N1? Dude I doubt that Cold has ever in his life carried a team as hard as Niko has done with Mouz. Yes I know in the end it was never enough but come on, nobody including Cold can carry a t2 team single handedly to a good spot. It's just not doable, you would probably need a KDR of 1.5+ every game for this to work and no player is even close to that. Get off your high horse and acknowledge that Cold has been playing in the best team with the best players for a long time and didn't win it all by himself. CS is always a team effort and Cold alone would do shit. >There are a lot of super stars in the scene Agree > but cold's on top of em all and that's for a reason. Nope, not in my opinion. Somebody who plays in the best team and can't carry them to win when they are in a slump...not the best player for me but I'm sure you find a reason why Niko needed to carry Faze to wins but Cold doesn't. You keep repeating that Cold is the best player because he is smart and has good positioning, yet the best player has to be way more than that. Good positioning is at least partly something the team has to allow you. If fer would play colds position he would likely put up great numbers. Setups are pre planned and do not show any smart play. Fallback routes are pretty much clear, you provide nothing of substance to show how exactly Cold plays smart. Colds intelligence is just another metric that is easy to throw around, yet hard to quantify. What is an intelligent player? How do you measure it? Why is Cold "smarter" than Niko? Niko plays greedy or aim heavy from time to time because he can, that does not at all mean that he is a dumb player, quite the opposite, it means he knows his strengths and plays off of them. Now that he plays smart, uses his team, doesn't take all the duels, you come around saying that he needs to frag more. He just now plays smart, doesn't go for these duels but plays with his team and it has been of great benefit for Faze. When he needs to clutch you can still see how good he is, but going for the kills just to "carry" would be dumb, so i don't see why you use that to make a point. >Karrigan has never won against SK with FaZe for a reason. The reason being? Or do you just throw that phrase around to not have to put any arguments forth? Karrigan imo never had a team that was close in skill to what SK has. That is partly (also only imo) because I feel like he is worse as a player and as an IGL than Fallen so his team needs to make up for it, which is quite hard against a team like SK. >While SK are having a bit of a slump cold is still destroying and carrying a lot of the time. I think it's amousing that you think he is carrying them a lot of the time...like...carrying to what? Playoffs? They haven't won anything lately and by your metric carrying only counts if you win something (otherwise you would acknowledge that Niko hard carried Mouz) Cold has not even been the best player on SK recently. I think fer has had a lot more impact as of late. >If NiKo's aim is off his score is awful. Please look at his stats. He is an incredibly consistent player, having almost no awful scores. So he either has super consistent aim or is smarter than you acknowledge. The problem with him is that his teams have until now heavily relied on him, so if he had an off day his team would lose meaning that his form has a lot more bearing that Colds, where he can have an off day and SK would still win. Notice that all throughout my comment I'm not once saying that Niko is the best player, I think the argument in itself is dumb. Cold is a great player, Niko is a great player, both probably better than each other in different aspects of the game, yet you come with your own metrics to decide that Colds "smartness" is of more worth that Nikos aim, not providing any way of measuring or quantifying any of it. >And about the BIG loss... Cold had an amazing performance and messed up only 1 clutch. So he couldn't have done more in the 16 rounds they lost? I doubt it. Yes he had a great performance but somehow it was not enough to save them. Either he is not a good enough player to carry the then best team of the world against a t2 team or his kills and his "carrying" was not as important as you wished it to be. So you can keep repeating that he is the Number 1 player but as you have nothing to quantify it, thats just an empty statement without any worth.
2017-10-23 03:11
he did perform at the major ...but they lost nevertheless hltv.org/matches/2312377/flipsid3-vs-faz..
2017-10-19 13:01
Yes, he has good stats, but I'm not talking about "performance". Notice that NiKo has 27-18, but the score is 16-10. Only 10? This is why I'm giving an example with cold at the major. At crunch times in his 1st match he gets 2 consecutive 4k's to break the economy (they fought some lesser team) and eventually win the map. Against Astralis he destroys them with AWP, m4/AK, deag... anything he gets his hands on,and the score is 16-8. hltv.org/matches/2312363/faze-vs-big-pgl.. hltv.org/matches/2312369/mousesports-vs-.. Where is NiKo in these? You point out the 1 map out of the 3 they played. hltv.org/matches/2312164/faze-vs-sk-esl-.. Where was NiKo at Cologne? Rain was the one to even bring Cache to OT, so the match seems closer. at Overpass cold has a score of 22-8 110 adr 100% KAST and 1.86 raiting.... while NiKo sits on 11-16
2017-10-19 13:15
Yes Cold can carry Sk versus the t2,3 teams same what Niko did in mouz he carried them all the time.Now,Niko just don't have what to carry,all players play solid most of the time expect karrigan.Cold pretty much always have to carry TACO and felps sometimes even fer and cold when thay play bad.
2017-10-21 22:00
ferGOD TOP 1
2017-10-19 10:11
if you consider the entire year equally it is close but probably niko, if you weigh more recent events more cold isn't second.
2017-10-19 10:21
Its either Niko or S1mple. I haven't seen cold step up in a while
2017-10-19 12:21
#98
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Netherlands EliteBekkers 
NiKo or s1mple?* coldzera doesn't come close.
2017-10-19 12:26
rain /close
2017-10-19 12:32
coldzera or kennyS
2017-10-19 12:46
Niko and guardian
2017-10-22 05:52
6/12 months: Cold
2017-10-19 12:46
both complete trash
2017-10-19 12:49
i just love niko's playstyle so much more then coldzera!
2017-10-19 13:03
#113
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Brazil surfin 
cold
2017-10-19 13:12
#116
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Ukraine beaztoff 
True top 1. NiKo 2. coldzera 3. s1mple 4. kennyS 5. fer 6. rain 7. AdreN 8. k0nfig 9. kNgV- 10. Hobbit
2017-10-19 13:14
I don't think Niko can really be top 1 when he had a few poor events and awful Major.... Also he was overtaken by Rain and Guardian the last few tournaments;
2017-10-19 13:23
#121
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Sweden Staffan1 
niko no questions asked because he is so consistent and never fails to deliver and his mechanical aim is unreal. Also they just won 2 straight tournaments without losing a map so.....
2017-10-19 13:26
#137
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Australia Raychippy 
Coldzera is so consistent as well tho...and ranking is not really relevant to aim... "niko no questions" dont say that...there is still 4-5 big tournaments left to go... dominating "2" tournaments wont really change much as long as they win...
2017-10-19 14:18
#139
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Sweden Staffan1 
i just noticed, isnt it funny how sk was dominant from april-july in 2016 and 2017 lmao and thats the only time frame when they won tournaments... kinda weird
2017-10-19 14:22
#122
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Norway apx- 
1. rain 2. Cold 3. NiKo
2017-10-19 13:27
#131
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Poland morosek 
and then you woke up
2017-10-19 14:01
Pretty possible tbh
2017-10-19 14:54
Niko ofc
2017-10-19 13:29
#124
NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel 
NiKo
2017-10-19 13:33
#127
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Brazil Charizaldo 
coldzera just watch them play, it's easy to see that cold is in another level of skill and gamesense
2017-10-19 13:50
its Sixer ez
2017-10-19 13:59
#130
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Poland morosek 
Coldzera
2017-10-19 14:01
atm: NiKo 2017: Cold
2017-10-19 14:03
#164
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Denmark Tommins 
+1
2017-10-19 17:08
1. karrigan 2. s1mple 3. pronax 4. flusha 5. cold
2017-10-19 14:20
#140
device | 
Denmark Dane01 
atm I would say that Cold should have it if we look at the entire year but if we look at current form it is Niko 100%
2017-10-19 14:24
I would say rain :)
2017-10-19 14:51
Seriously, rain has been more consistent than Niko
2017-10-19 14:53
#144
allu | 
Finland M1ttens 
Allu is the best player on the world
2017-10-19 14:54
NiKo
2017-10-19 15:00
Tabsen obviously
2017-10-19 15:05
#151
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Brazil spaark1 
obv cold
2017-10-19 15:05
#152
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Poland meehow97 
obv xms
2017-10-19 15:11
#160
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United States muffinner 
cold definitely niko hasn't singlehandedly won tournaments like cold did
2017-10-19 17:06
#163
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Denmark Tommins 
without taco as a decoy cold would suck
2017-10-19 17:07
#167
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Argentina 3comas 
-niko-cold +Guishorro
2017-10-19 17:35
#169
cogu | 
Brazil vicTHOR 
cold by a large margin cold = skill + brain niko = skill
2017-10-19 17:36
Niko is smart, hes just not as consistant as COLD
2017-10-20 16:50
#170
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Brazil lucas3282 
Niko= Best aim Cold= Consistent player, the Best player in the world. In moment.
2017-10-19 17:37
#171
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Brazil ZaptoZ 
Niko atm '-' but cold will be back
2017-10-19 17:37
#172
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Brazil c0nt 
1- cold 2 - Niko 3 - fer 4 - rain 5 - Fallen
2017-10-19 17:38
s1mple is higher than rain. He always topfrags and has insane impact while being on a tier 2 team.
2017-10-20 16:49
#173
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Denmark clutchkongen 
g0dfig top 1! no debate
2017-10-19 17:49
-felps, now cold
2017-10-19 18:15
#178
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Denmark NohrHLTV 
Everybody who says NiKo is either a br hater or just retarded. Cold is better than NiKo, why? Both are good in skillwise. But coldzera is a smart player who always make the clutches, also his consistency is insane. He never dropped a single negative rating since the start of his career. Also, hes the only player who won 2 majors MVP back to back, or even just the only player who won 2 majors mvp, I wouldnt say he has the most MVPs on events, because kennyS has 6 aswell. If coldzera keep his consistency he can be considered the neo of csgo, thats a fact.
2017-10-19 18:23
#201
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
Cold ? Dude fer is better just look at the impact that niko does and cold then we can talk. Cold is skilled but not better than niko. 2 different styles one is agressive other is baiting. And guess what niko is still more explosive and gets more frags. Oh but winning is important ? Both teams won 3 big tournaments (sydney counts too but there were not many teams altough great teams were attending) dm summer, summit is not worth mentioning so yeah botth did good but without niko faze is not top 5 and sk without cold is top 3 its just a reality. Cold is not as special and is not better than niko. /closed
2017-10-20 08:21
#213
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Brazil Roufas 
You need to watch more sk games, cold clutches are fucking unreal, 3 v 1? 4 v 1? Yes he has done it, and carried SK. If you think all he does is baiting you are just looking at stats.
2017-10-20 15:38
#215
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
I just said that fer,niko is better in terms of impact and what they can do on the server. Clutching rounds is great but same skill have players like krimz and stuff. Tell me who does as much impact (entrying, playing 5v3 and just making their team look better than they are) ? I whould even put k0nfig ahead of cold but achievments are achievments and cold is top 3. And no i dont watch many sk games they are not interesting but when i watch this picture always comes up.
2017-10-20 15:46
#220
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Brazil Roufas 
I understand your points but I stand by what I said, I watch niko and faze too a lot, I am a true CS fan (not bragging). I recommend you watching more SK games, so you can at least get a more impartial view. And I can tell you I have no fucking idea who is better between the two, they are both crazy, what I can tell you is they are both top 1/2, people are way too partial to what they like and then you see these posts about this who is top 1, like they would know.
2017-10-20 16:02
#226
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
Fer is better atleast to me if you think they are both the same level players good for you. For me fer is more superior player than cold.
2017-10-20 16:09
#315
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Indonesia FinZzz 
The fuck...coldzera is far better than fer this year and every other year. Cold's consistency is out of this world. No one comes close to the consistency his bringing except maybe prime GTR. Dropping 25-30 bombs like a mf. Also coldzera is a clutch god. One of the best clutchers in game atm. Coldzera also much versatile than fer. Able to be the 2nd awper on a very high level.
2017-10-26 07:02
#317
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
BS. taking niko over cold all day. Niko,Fer> Cold
2017-10-26 08:35
#320
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Indonesia FinZzz 
I was comparing cold with fer, i didnt bring niko unto this topic. However, imo cold > niko since so far, he had a better year than niko. Won more tournaments, and obviously cold gave the most impact throughout all the tournaments that sk won/ didnt won.
2017-10-26 16:45
#321
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
For most of the year cold had a much better team. Niko> Cold
2017-10-26 16:47
#248
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Denmark NohrHLTV 
Stopped reading at "cold baiting" thats all you have to say, and everyone who says that have no arguments.
2017-10-20 16:56
#250
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
Ok ill change it. He is 4th or 5th player to run in the site. Happy ?
2017-10-20 17:20
#259
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Denmark NohrHLTV 
Hes the support, he flashes for taco and fer, or fallen to pick with awp. hes the clutch player, so if coldzera is baiting, all supports are baiting with your sense.
2017-10-21 21:47
#263
REZ | 
Lithuania DieNastyA 
I know what im talking and i have witnessed many times of him baiting but its was earlier in luminosity days nowadays he is a great support. But i hate when people talk about his skill level and compare him to niko. He is not even close and he is great because of the system if he whould go to a team like Clg he whould be top 10 at very best. With all of that said he won 3 major titles this year and was 1x time mvp in those (Dh summer,summit are not tier 1) So in this year 2017 not 2016 Niko was better and with that said coldzera is not higher than number 2 in 2017. But i agree i was talking about older cold than the 2015 december - present
2017-10-21 22:25
#271
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Denmark NohrHLTV 
Im talking overall, not this year or past year. Cold has been insane since his first even he attended. As I said before, coldzera is better than NiKo because of his consistency, only GeT_RiGhT had coldzera consistency, but it was in the early days of csgo. You dont see everytime in a major a guy dropping 100 bomb in just 3 maps, but you see cold
2017-10-22 10:25
#316
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Indonesia FinZzz 
+1
2017-10-26 07:03
Coldzera has 6 MVPs And 2 were in majors. 3 MVPs only in 2017. Best rating and adr in 2017 How could Niko be close? Just because FaZe got 2 titles in a row?? SK got 3 in a row!
2017-10-25 20:20
s1mple
2017-10-20 02:34
TOP 3 is rigth now fer coldzera niko
2017-10-20 15:07
0/8
2017-10-20 16:22
#211
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Europe Trey7 
1. niko 2. cold 3. s1mple/rain/fer
2017-10-20 15:34
#212
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Russia FailCur3 
TOP 2: 1. WorldEdit 2. WorldEdit
2017-10-20 15:36
#221
rain | 
Russia mitiss 
1.rain 2.cold NiKo fkng aimlocker, die.
2017-10-20 16:04
#228
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World lzxow 
1 cold 2 niko 3 s1mple 4 fer 5 konfig 6 elige 7 kennyS 8 twistzz 9 dev1ce 10 oskar/rain is a decent top 10 for NOW imo, but will change a lot depending on sk's downs and this faze looking promising
2017-10-20 16:16
#229
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Yugoslavia iksveili 
Of course NiKo, cause if you look at their ratings on lan this year (big events too), they have the same ratings, NiKo slightly in the lead. But if you look at their K/D ratio, Cold has a huge lead, so you gotta ask yourself who is doing the heavy lift and have more impact kills for the team.
2017-10-20 16:14
In cs;go is only one team and players that are top1 neo snax taz byali pasha
2017-10-20 16:16
1.NiKo 2.Cold 3.s1mple
2017-10-20 16:22
#237
paz | 
Turkey Rhaim 
Xantares ofc
2017-10-20 16:22
Cold has won more titles in 2017, better Major performance and results. Better KDA/more maps played in 2017. I don't think you can argue against cold being number 1 this year.
2017-10-20 16:48
1) Cold, 2) Niko, 3) s1mple rest of all kisses
2017-10-20 16:55
As the numbers show so far, it`s clearly Cold.
2017-10-20 17:23
lol bz fan
2017-10-22 06:10
Just being purely objective. If NiK0 had the best numbers then i`d say Nik0 is top1. Numbers dont lie my friend
2017-10-22 15:21
#255
swag | 
Russia VAN_csgo 
NiKo top-1. Check it
2017-10-20 18:37
#262
mankzy | 
Denmark Phoey 
Pretty much depends on the rest of the year?
2017-10-21 22:01
Niko ofc Stop lying to urself cold has been playing bad lately
2017-10-22 05:50
#267
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Germany gigaTV0803 
chrisj #1
2017-10-22 05:52
out of the two it's niko, also konfig is better, fer and rain are better,
2017-10-22 06:10
Niko no debate.
2017-10-22 15:35
#275
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CIS DanPP 
in this year cold is top1. next year niko top 1.
2017-10-22 16:09
Niko ofc
2017-10-22 16:11
AdreN
2017-10-22 16:12
cold niko fer
2017-10-23 03:12
rainMONSTA
2017-10-23 03:15
1-cold 2-niko 3-fer 4-rain 5-kennys
2017-10-23 03:25
#287
BnTeT | 
Syria Ayresia 
xantares
2017-10-23 03:27
niko.
2017-10-23 04:03
#290
TACO | 
Brazil GuedyS 
cold because he won 2x the major and was mvp in both. when niko does it then we can compare it to the cold. no logic just look at the profile of the two.
2017-10-23 04:06
#349
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Serbia wInt3r 
That means team played better no cold.Olof 3 majors olof top 1,,,,
2017-10-28 18:22
#351
TACO | 
Brazil GuedyS 
How many MVPS in tournaments does Olof have? because you know how coldzera it is!
2017-10-28 18:26
#352
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Serbia wInt3r 
he can't get MVP if his team don't win.He gets MVP 90% of the time when Faze win.
2017-10-28 19:15
#291
fer | 
Brazil ShiTeR 
hmm, allu maybe?
2017-10-23 04:33
coldzera > abism > niko
2017-10-25 20:01
#303
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Other cscrmn1 
LOL I laughed so hard.
2017-10-25 20:24
#396
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France mythhhhhh 
and got so far
2017-10-30 18:33
Fox better of the world No bait XDDD
2017-10-25 20:03
Cold top 1 Niko top 2 /close
2017-10-25 20:04
Coldzera >>>>>>>>>>big hole>>> Niko Skills, IQ, playing more weapons
2017-10-25 20:14
#300
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Portugal justszzzGOD 
coldzera
2017-10-25 20:18
#301
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Denmark SK2Strong 
FIrst NiKo has to be the best player on FaZE, Guardian and rain are better than him atm.... Maybe later after being the best every single game he can be compared with the best player ever!!!
2017-10-25 20:21
Niko easily
2017-10-25 20:22
#304
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India XyZ9999 
Niko
2017-10-25 20:25
Coldzera >> abyss >> fer >> black hole >> NiKo
2017-10-25 20:37
#314
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Indonesia FinZzz 
Coldzera
2017-10-26 06:58
niko is better so kys all brazilians
2017-10-26 08:36
I think it will depend which team wins Epicenter and Oakland. If Faze continues their reign, i think it will be Niko. But then we have majors and Hltv gives too much importance for major placings. So... Who knows?
2017-10-26 08:56
#322
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Cold > NiKo
2017-10-26 16:48
kennyS
2017-10-28 14:27
#332
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Brazil gabriezz1 
iz COLDZERA
2017-10-28 14:30
niko forsure
2017-10-28 14:40
Coldzera easily, 3 mvps this year, 6 tournaments won, never had an event with negative rating. Both have same rating 2017 on LAN but coldzera with 38 more maps played.
2017-10-28 16:42
Europeans are braindead, thats why they doesn't win anything agains't SK.... Niko, S1imple, Elige...They never win anything and people just put they top1 or top2....what a joke
2017-10-28 16:47
#360
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Netherlands Tensors 
the only smart Brazilian is fallen SK is nothing without a mastermind like him cold without fallen wouldve been nothing
2017-10-28 19:29
#395
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France mythhhhhh 
and how that is a problem? cold is a beast, the reasons why dont matter, he smashes every team.
2017-10-30 18:32
#345
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Brazil CaioOlive 
kenny won 4 mvps this year too.
2017-10-28 17:35
#350
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Ukraine kl1o 
1. s1mple 2. coldzera 3.NiKo 4.rain 5. AdreN
2017-10-28 18:23
NiKo for sure
2017-10-28 19:25
Coldzera, FalleN and Niko are the top 3
2017-10-28 19:26
I think NiKO will never reach Coldzera skills and IQ Coldzera is like Michael Jordan of CS GO Federer of Golf Pelé of football Phelps of swimming
2017-10-28 19:30
#365
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Brazil luckyboy 
Federer of Golf 4Head lul
2017-10-28 19:36
#394
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France mythhhhhh 
woods of basket
2017-10-30 18:31
no one good xd taz, neo, byali, snax, pasha better
2017-10-28 19:30
rank 2017 1 coldzera 2 fallen 3 niko 4 fer
2017-10-28 19:35
#366
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Brazil luckyboy 
1 cold 2 device 3 guardian 4 s1mple 5 niko 6 fer 7 kennyS 8 fallen 9 xyp9x 10 olof in my opnion!
2017-10-28 19:40
#393
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France mythhhhhh 
s1mple has done shit this year
2017-10-30 18:30
1) Cold 2) FalleN 3) Bad FalleN 4) fer 5) peleoPELEOpeleoPELEOpeleoPELEOpeleoPELEO 5) Niko
2017-10-28 19:50
kennyS top1
2017-10-28 20:59
Kenny top 11*
2017-10-28 21:40
nt, but 3 mvp
2017-10-30 18:18
Cold in finals ...Niko at home
2017-10-28 21:39
#378
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Cold > NiKo No question.
2017-10-28 22:05
Niko is definitely top 1 ( for most overrated players ) and Cold is the real top 1
2017-10-28 22:06
Cold 2x major mvp, niko?
2017-10-28 22:38
cold > niko, but whats the point of the mvp major? it was last year. We are talking about this year
2017-10-28 22:50
1-COLD 2-FALLEN 3-FER 4-NIKO 5-KENNYS 6-DEVICE
2017-10-30 07:24
#391
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France mythhhhhh 
1- cold 2- device 3- niko 4- fer 5- kennys
2017-10-30 18:28
#392
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Panama Bill_Bait 
niko overraTed
2017-10-30 18:29
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