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CATALONIA
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Croatia Anime_was_a_mistake 
they actually managed to declare indepence lmao i give them one day
2017-10-27 15:38
#1
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France p2l 
Rajoy will destroy them
2017-10-27 15:40
#6
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Spain Arzheus 
obv
2017-10-27 15:43
0x0.st/ssHb.mp4 cya later catalonia
2017-10-27 16:55
#146
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Brazil fuNNa 
2017-10-27 17:25
i can already hear the tanks rolling up xd
2017-10-27 15:44
#372
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United Kingdom daneclaw 
I bet if they actually would use tanks it will just backfire massively.
2017-10-27 23:46
Catalonia is not Spain. Period.
2017-10-27 23:44
Crimea and Donbass is not Ukraine. Period.
2017-10-28 10:33
That's true
2017-10-28 17:02
Good bot.
2017-10-28 21:43
sh1tple lover?
2017-10-29 08:11
Literally #1 player right now but K.
2017-10-29 12:43
arrogant raging toxic sh1tple kid, ok
2017-10-29 14:30
nt.
2017-10-29 18:49
coldzera is #1, anyway
2017-10-29 19:31
#2
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Brazil fuNNa 
thats called democracy
2017-10-27 15:40
#5
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Spain Arzheus 
no they are doing ilegal things 70 votes decides millions of people votes?? RLY ?
2017-10-27 15:43
#8
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Brazil fuNNa 
bro doesnt matter in which way spain got fucked
2017-10-27 15:44
#9
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Spain Arzheus 
ok bro
2017-10-27 15:44
#22
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Brazil fuNNa 
europe has not failed for the first time
2017-10-27 15:47
#324
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Lithuania YungDavid 
Well europe created you
2017-10-27 19:47
#396
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Portugal JonasGunner 
Indeed, it was a Portuguese King that decided Brazil should get independency
2017-10-28 00:47
#420
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Brazil fuNNa 
It was spain and portuguese
2017-10-28 10:07
#478
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Portugal JonasGunner 
No. Brazil was 100% Portuguese when they got independency.
2017-10-29 10:21
#12
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France p2l 
the referendum was illegal, poorly organized (u could vote several times) only 40% of participation these guys deverse to go in jail
2017-10-27 15:45
they are already going in little by little
2017-10-27 15:45
so democratic to stomp on the self-determination of nations because some piece of paper tells so
2017-10-27 15:55
Obviously. You are talking to Spaniard after all. Their idea of democracy is stomping minorities during Franco era. I for one hope Catalonia gains independence if they wish for it. A new legal and over seen referendum should be held, this time without oppressive central government and their violent thugs (or police if you want to call them that) intervening. People should have the power to vote for their independence.
2017-10-27 16:23
+1
2017-10-27 16:34
sooo if i want to make my house and my yard a independend country you woud be on my side? And no one shoud be able to stop me? Sounds cool wher can i sign up?
2017-10-27 17:33
#228
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Kazakhstan DRAEGS 
One of the most retarded arguments I've ever seen.
2017-10-27 18:20
retarded alert!
2017-10-27 18:35
#293
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Denmark clutchkongen 
how can you even compare those two things, are you fucking retarded?
2017-10-27 19:04
yes, we should seceed to the lowest point feasable. Probably if every backyard seceeded we would be in much of a hassle but city states are a reality and it should be the ideal size for me.
2017-10-27 19:23
#318
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Denmark qwedsa 
i like the idea though.. applying for 3 different visas just to cross the road.
2017-10-27 19:36
Do you think every little state would have the same policty that states have nowadays? The whole border control and immigration problem only exist BECAUSE we have giant public spaces therefore border policies are impossible to satisfy everyone. Besides compared to the advantages of accountability and subsiadiarity that comes with closer power structures, applying for "visas" are a small price to pay IF it really came to it.
2017-10-27 19:41
#321
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
hahahahah my eyes heeelp
2017-10-27 19:44
jeez how dumb can you be lmao stupidest argument ever
2017-10-28 01:08
Ok woud you let florida be a indipendent country?
2017-10-28 12:46
Lmao the stupid argument was the backyard. Florida has nothing to do with this. How stupid are you?
2017-10-28 15:52
answer and argument
2017-10-28 16:34
#456
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
If shit hits the fan and Florida becomes an independent country then so be it, if it can be regulated by itself and if they have a majority of citizens and the UN accepts it then yeah. I still don't know what the fuck does Florida have to do with you making your backyard independent.
2017-10-28 18:05
florida=my backyard now guys anyone want some orange juice and nice beaches come over to my house apparently it's right in back!!!
2017-10-28 18:17
#340
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Spain halow1213 
+100 its as easy as that, but as you say here things go different. They believe we live in democracy thing whitch we never have.
2017-10-27 21:12
#200
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
So democratic for catalonia to only catalonians vote for independence, thats easy. I wanna see if all spain agrees with it, its illegal what they are doing, and they wont get away with it. #VAMOSESPAÑA
2017-10-27 17:53
# VAMOSIBERIA
2017-10-27 18:09
#297
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Denmark clutchkongen 
so do you think all of Britain voted when Scotland back then also had an election for independence. of course they didn't, its only the region it self that is able to vote. lol!
2017-10-27 19:08
#329
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
Different country, Different situation, Different history, Different region, nice try.
2017-10-27 19:55
#333
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Denmark clutchkongen 
So what if it’s a different country, independence has always been voted within the region who wish for it, it’s nothing new. lul And if you really want to go there then the catalan history makes it even more justified than any other place! Always been suppressed by Spain and Franco back when it was a fascist dictatorship. nt ronaldo
2017-10-27 20:14
#338
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
Because rajoy is killing the poor greedy catalans, nice try.
2017-10-27 21:09
#341
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Denmark clutchkongen 
nice comeback! you are a certified idiot.
2017-10-27 21:22
#342
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
im not a leftist or a liberal like you, sorry about that.
2017-10-27 21:31
#348
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Denmark clutchkongen 
Neither am I, just trying to teach and idiot how a voting system works and why they want independence. xD
2017-10-27 22:05
#366
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
you arent leftist but you support catalonian 1nd3p3nd3nce? sure thing.
2017-10-27 23:31
#373
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United Kingdom daneclaw 
How does supporting Catalonian independence make you a leftist??????
2017-10-27 23:49
#376
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
george soros is behind this, you are not really right wing if you are with george soros, sorry to break that up to you.
2017-10-27 23:52
#378
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United Kingdom daneclaw 
Makes no sense, you can still support independence of a country and still have your own view on how a government is to be run.
2017-10-27 23:54
#382
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Denmark clutchkongen 
+1
2017-10-28 00:24
#383
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
if you support george soros actions, such as this one, you are not right wing, period.
2017-10-28 00:27
#447
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United Kingdom daneclaw 
How does supporting the independence of a country make you a leftist? Please enlighten me on this subject.
2017-10-28 15:34
#381
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Denmark clutchkongen 
When did I say I support them? I called you out on a comment that didn’t make sense. And just for your information, there are left and right wing parties on both sides who is for and against. But expected that someone like you wouldn’t know. Nt tho.
2017-10-28 00:23
#385
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
you are just another george soros puppet.
2017-10-28 00:27
#387
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Denmark clutchkongen 
And you are the biggest retard yet witnessed on this forum! And that says a lot.
2017-10-28 00:35
#388
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
plz dont call yourself right wing, you are just a frustrated fraud.
2017-10-28 00:36
#389
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Denmark clutchkongen 
Again, when did I call my self right wing?
2017-10-28 00:41
#390
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
proved my point. thank you
2017-10-28 00:40
#393
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Denmark clutchkongen 
And what point is that? You haven’t made one decent point in this conversation.
2017-10-28 00:44
#394
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
you are a george soros puppet you say you are not leftist or right wing
2017-10-28 00:45
#395
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Denmark clutchkongen 
Yes I haven’t told you my political views! great point you proved there lul xD
2017-10-28 00:47
#397
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
have a good islamic night in your country. All of you are you used to it in scandinavia anyways so no problem #tolerancenandlovealwayswins #not.
2017-10-28 00:47
#399
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Denmark clutchkongen 
god you are stupid, its actually surprising that a person like you exist
2017-10-28 00:55
#400
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
an atheist talking about God and then calls me stupid, crazy scandinavia
2017-10-28 00:53
#401
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Denmark clutchkongen 
its a term used in a common sentence hahaha.. you are trolling right? you gotta be.
2017-10-28 00:58
#402
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
you gotta be a very unoccupied person to not stop replying me for real
2017-10-28 00:59
#404
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Denmark clutchkongen 
likewise you moron you are replying as well. do you have a brain?
2017-10-28 01:02
#405
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
you are wasting your time acting like an intelectual, you arent one
2017-10-28 01:04
#408
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Denmark clutchkongen 
i might not be, but i'm clearly smarter than you.
2017-10-28 01:14
#409
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
you are clearly more annoying than me thats for sure
2017-10-28 01:15
#411
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Denmark clutchkongen 
haha good good.
2017-10-28 01:16
#458
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Poland SiDxHLTV 
lul
2017-10-28 18:05
Why the fuck should Spaniards get to vote about Catalonia?... I'm starting to understand why Catalonia wants to get away.
2017-10-27 20:16
#339
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
catalonia will have the same destiny as kosovo, economicaly broke and social failure. Spain is already choking them economicaly, greedy and rebel people never win.
2017-10-27 21:10
#374
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United Kingdom daneclaw 
Not really Catalonia is still very rich and compared to Kosovo has an economy already.
2017-10-27 23:49
#375
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
its the beginning, sooner or later, it will happen.
2017-10-27 23:52
#377
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United Kingdom daneclaw 
Unless the whole world stops trading with Catalonia it probably won't happen.
2017-10-27 23:53
#391
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
it will spain took away their major companies from catalonia, they will choke them economicaly.
2017-10-28 00:41
yeah, coz USA is one of the most poor countries in the world
2017-10-28 10:25
#461
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
That's a different point, the point is that the ones who vote for independence are the ones that are looking to be free. It's like if before starting the independence process on all this other countries 200 years ago we would go like "ye, we want to be independent, but let's ask Spain/Britain what they think, if they say no, then fuck" Fucking ridiculous point. I agree with your "They're leftist pieces of shit" "Greedy scumbags" "They'll be poor" and shit, because i don't really know anything about the subject, but the one who votes for independence is the region that is looking to become independent, ofc if there are constitutional laws that say "you can't do that" is when the national government comes in. Still tho, they might start a civil war if they really want to leave Spain, but i don't think they'll get there because they'll get fucked, and they're most likely gonna lose a fuckton of jobs and learn that holding a country together isn't as easy as being part of Spain. So yeah, interesting.
2017-10-28 18:13
#468
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
already said it, and i will resume it, catalonia will be Kosovo v2.
2017-10-28 21:14
#472
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
And i don't care about that, i'm talking about who votes for independence. You said that the rest of spain should vote too.
2017-10-28 23:14
Less than 30% 7 million population and less than 2 million voted YES, where is the 90% lol
2017-10-27 17:51
the police didint let them vote
2017-10-27 18:35
the police stop the voting process in less than 20% of the voting areas(but they could go to another and vote) and probably 95% of the people that want the independence did this...(in some vote centers they have more votes that people) and btw the results have 0 control they could say 4 millions and nobody know if this results are true..
2017-10-27 19:12
so why did the independent parties win with an absolute majority in 2015 elections?
2017-10-28 10:26
you know why,becouse the system in spain. Independent parties got 48.7% of the votes and 53.3% of the Member of the catalonia Parliament. is funny becouse first they said that if they dont get more than 50% of the votes they will stop,but they change what they said,and even break his own rules as they want.
2017-10-29 11:41
children should vote, right?
2017-10-28 10:26
Guess which other election had 40% participation (about 1% less than the Catalonia one)? EU Parliament Election.
2017-10-27 20:14
#77
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Sweden 4Sweeeden 
Illegal? Why dont i see Italian military/Police storm the vaticans then? Your police took it to far, beating people almost to death because they want to become independent.
2017-10-27 16:32
#89
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Brazil fuNNa 
Rajoy said FULL CONTROL MY FRIEND
2017-10-27 16:38
#157
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Sweden 4Sweeeden 
Yes almost to death. I have seen some fucked up videos of 2 police men beating a man in the head with batons, i would call that almost to death.
2017-10-27 17:27
This one was beating almost to death with his mind youtu.be/bNjhDS7zdWU
2017-10-27 17:49
#208
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Sweden 4Sweeeden 
Yes, that officer died when he got a chair thrown at his legs, lol. That cop had protection all over his body, and yet he acts like Cristiano Ronaldo?
2017-10-27 17:59
justify this is sooooo swedish.
2017-10-27 18:08
#286
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Other Kiley 
Justify more than 900 injured for voting sooooo spanish.
2017-10-27 18:55
#335
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Other Kiley 
youtube.com/watch?v=tRHLRqWsZKQ Everything must be fake ofc, Alfonso Dastis is that you?
2017-10-27 20:24
The Guardian doesn't want a problem in the EU, they are biased as fuck. If anything, they are fake news. Go to Liveleak and do a search for Catalonia instead of listening to your government lies. Guardian acts as if 40% is to low to justify the election, but loves EU so when they get 40% participation it's totally cool. I'm 100% alright with the Catalonia election being illegitimate, IF the EU Parliament is illegitimate as well.
2017-10-27 20:26
Lol'd at Ronaldo comparison XDD
2017-10-27 18:35
#299
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Denmark clutchkongen 
+1
2017-10-27 19:10
the fake news argument, amazing
2017-10-27 17:30
#203
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
que rabia me da ver estos ninos hablando en la hltv sin saber de nada lo que estan haciendo en catalunya, ni se dan cuenta de que lo que estan haciendo es illegal, menudos idiotas.
2017-10-27 17:54
gracias hermano.
2017-10-27 18:09
#231
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
no van a lograr lo que quieren estos corruptos.
2017-10-27 18:21
#315
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Other Kiley 
Defending Spain using the word "corrupt" at the same time made my day thanks xDDDD
2017-10-27 19:27
#328
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
Corrupt people love money, and catalonian goverment is absolutely showing that, too bad for them spain will choke them economicaly, poor things.
2017-10-27 19:55
alguna declaración de independencia en la historia ha sido "legal"?
2017-10-28 10:28
4Sweden being autistic as always.
2017-10-27 16:56
just like america presidential election
2017-10-27 17:02
Not quite...
2017-10-28 00:51
people choose 70 dudes to vote for them.
2017-10-27 17:37
#325
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Denmark Baitvice 
HHAHAHA mad spain bitch, the people voted on a referendum which you stopped using violence from the police, you're fucked now catalonia pays the most taxes, get rekt.
2017-10-27 19:50
70? are u dumb? Catalan people voted in 2015 and there was mainly 2 options: independent parties, and not independent ones, and the independents won there, if non-independent catalans want to prove they're majority, they're 2 years late, but still they didn't want to do a referendum and no, I'm not catalan
2017-10-28 10:21
#69
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Spain Kauka 
shut your fuckin mouth
2017-10-27 16:29
#70
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Brazil fuNNa 
why so rude?
2017-10-27 16:30
#74
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Spain Kauka 
cuz you're talking and you have no idea what is happening here actually
2017-10-27 16:31
#102
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Latvia AntonsMc 
Ahaha mad spains crying because you'll loose all Catalonia's money and you will become poor af and Spain will be fucking dead
2017-10-27 16:48
#104
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Spain Kauka 
Even worst than Latvia? i aren't think that , srry 200€/month salary
2017-10-27 16:50
#191
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Poland KyMon 
Even worst nt
2017-10-27 17:47
#194
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Spain Kauka 
srry 400€/month :(
2017-10-27 17:49
#196
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Poland KyMon 
np even_worst/month :(
2017-10-27 17:50
Latvia average >800 eur.
2017-10-27 18:43
#278
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Spain Kauka 
Nice man on spain we have 1750
2017-10-27 18:45
You are officially a liar for spreading false information about 200 & 400.
2017-10-27 18:46
#282
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Spain Kauka 
Thank you :)
2017-10-27 18:46
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH the average salary does not even reach 1k€ per month, we are the country with the highest deficit in Europe and u're trying to sell that? it does seem that YOU don't know how things are going around here, du dumbfuck
2017-10-28 10:31
#327
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Lithuania YungDavid 
lol no latvia is fucked just like all of baltic
2017-10-27 19:50
15 in 2k18 LUL
2017-10-27 20:03
#364
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Lithuania YungDavid 
Its actually 2017 and yes i was born in 2002, new people are born everyday crazy huh, also if u havent noticed im from baltics too, im not attacking you, im just saying the truth
2017-10-27 23:13
Latvian speaking about poverty...
2017-10-27 16:58
omg even bosnian earn more xD
2017-10-27 17:38
#204
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
catalonia´s money? the moment catalonia leaves spain they will be economicaly broke like kosovo is, nice try. Spain is taking all their major companies from catalonia, they will be economicaly choked to death, serves them right.
2017-10-27 17:55
thats exactly the opposite of democracy.
2017-10-28 12:51
rip classico PepeHands
2017-10-27 15:42
if they are serious about independence it means they cant use the euro and they have no other coin so they are fucked
2017-10-27 15:45
They can. Look at San Marino, or Vatican City. They are both in Italy but they are indipendent, they have different taxes and stuff but they have euro
2017-10-27 16:18
But EU will not recognize Catalonia as the independance is illegal so no euro or support of any kind.
2017-10-27 17:02
+1
2017-10-27 17:25
#164
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Korea kaiske10v 
can still be used in circulation without a central bank in macau lots of hkd is used than mop in circulation
2017-10-27 17:29
It can if it's allowed... But the EU can easily make this illegal. Don't forget they are on Spain's side.
2017-10-27 17:38
#178
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Korea kaiske10v 
if they're not in EU, why would it being illegal matter? nothing EU can do about it
2017-10-27 17:38
Nothing EU can do about it ? What about economical sanctions ? Do you really think Catalonia can face EU rofl ? They have many ways of making Catalonia bankrupt in a matter of weeks if they want.
2017-10-27 18:10
#222
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Korea kaiske10v 
they don't have any trade agreement yet anyway, I don't know about catalonia but pretty sure they don't need EU to survive. and it's not illegal if it's EU law, that's like China making a law for EU countries. circulation for euro makes the value go up anyway so eu probably fine with it like other region in #55.
2017-10-27 18:15
As you just said, you don't know much about Catalonia. 90% of their exportations are directed toward EU, if EU decides to tax them or close economicals borders, they are fucked. They have litteraly 0 support world-wide except Scotland (LUL). They will also lose all trade agrements fixed by Spain, the whole healthcare system, the military protection, a lot of fundings from the EU institutions all across the country (medical, social, education, etc). They have also huge debts to pay to the EU : with new exchange rate and growing inflation, they will have to pay much more. Without them, they are FUCKED. EDIT : also as I said, since they use the euro illegally, nobody will make any agreements with them because nobody want to trust a country with such methods, and nobody want to fight the EU over something as insignifiant as Catalonia. Your example is also wrong : it's not like China making law for EU because the euro is the property of the European Central Bank. They have all the right in the world to vote laws about it, effective in the whole world. And why would EU support separatism in their own organisation, are you dumb ? They want unity above all.
2017-10-27 18:28
#271
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Korea kaiske10v 
even without some political support, if even one country allows trade they get an exclusive market, so someone will do it just for money. debts will be probably never be paid off, already catalonia debt is junk bonds but to pay off interest will be easy without 16 billion e taxes to spain than recieved. "new exchange rate and growing inflation", but there is no new currency?? you may pay rmb in EU country to buy something if you want, if someone will accept it, and if China made a law to say you cant use rmb in EU, it doesnt matter because china does not have sovereignty of EU, like you can use hkd in macau. euro isn't "property of european central bank", it's property of whoever owns the note, eu has no legal power over non-eu countries. "and why would EU support seperatism?" just for the economic benefit of them using euro notes, euro would lose strength in pairings like usdeur if a significant economy stopped using it.
2017-10-27 18:41
"if even one country allows trade they get an exclusive market, so someone will do it just for money" Tell me which country will support Catalonia over EU, even if it lead to economical sanctions from countries like France or Germany ? Nobody has any interest in that. Also the goods from Catalonia will be so expensive that it won't be worth buying anymore. "debts will be probably never be paid off" So you want to give even more reason for economical sanctions and being disrespected by the international community ? Do you know that all borders in Catalonia are with the EU, so they can make them pay whatever they want as duty ? "you may pay yuan in EU country to buy something if you want, if someone will accept it" You are talking from an individual point of view but I don't care about it. I'm talking about governments and banks : how are you going to pay them if you don't have any official currency, and that the usage of euro is illegal ? No state can exist without the help of banks today. And they can't create new bank because nobody will recognize it (so it's the same as not creating it). "just for the economic benefit of them using euro notes" You are contradicting yourself. Spain (and so Catalonia) ALREADY use euro notes. The EU have nothing to gain here, but everything to lose. Your argument just doesn't work.
2017-10-27 19:00
#295
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Korea kaiske10v 
maybe some country that is more powerful than EU, like China or USA or UK, do any have opinion yet? I don't know, but it's free money to be an exclusive market, you get to decide if the goods are expensive, then you will not buy, it's simple. again usage of the euro is not "illegal" if you're not in EU, and they could have another official currency if it's an issue(like MOP) but still use euro in circulation. nobody cares about "respect from the international community", it's all about money, and people won't give sanctions of they can make money. EU is a powerless now, france/germany are poor as fuck compared to China, and it is not landlocked. Catalonia uses euro notes NOW, which is what is good for EU, if EU wants to pressure them to stop using euro notes, that would hurt the euro, do you understand?
2017-10-27 19:06
One more time, you are clueless... Why would USA side with Catalonia instead of EU, his biggest ally ? Instead of France, the country that supported them since the first day of their independance ? Why would China chose Catalonia over EU when EU market is 50 times bigger than Catalonia and already one of their biggest ally, both politically and economically ? Also UK > EU ? Wtf are you on ? Germany got a bigger economy than UK and France is equal. And I'm not even including all other countries from EU, this two combined are alReady more than 2 times the wealth of UK. You speak about money all the time and you still didn't explain what kind of money they will get in Catalonia, when EU has so much more to offer to anybody wanting trade.
2017-10-27 19:13
#314
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Korea kaiske10v 
EU needs USA/China/UK more than they need EU, so EU has no choice in this offer, EU will side with them over spain, EU is the little bitch here and has no options.
2017-10-27 19:26
Also you don't want to do such illegal things if you want to be taken seriously by the international community. Nobody will trust a country that don't obey to banking rules.
2017-10-27 18:11
#279
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Japan BodeFuceta 
That's great. They can use the US Dollar as a currency. Much better than the Euro for sure.
2017-10-27 18:45
#14
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Germany Dayjay 
Civil War inc?
2017-10-27 15:45
nah
2017-10-27 15:46
naah, spain will most likely tear them a new asshole in the timespan of a day and after that everything will return to normal. as if nothing happened
2017-10-27 15:54
riots yes, civil war no.. people still have to high living standards to get off their asses and fight a civil war imo
2017-10-27 15:50
#350
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Spain Todd_Howard 
what war ????? catalan parliament has been ceased, elections will be celebrated on december 21st
2017-10-27 22:09
Wait what? Link please
2017-10-27 15:45
just google catalonia or turn on your tv lol its literally everywhere on the news
2017-10-27 15:46
is it really??
2017-10-27 15:47
ye
2017-10-27 15:48
#28
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Finland Spoelstra 
I don't understand why Catalans hate Spain that much. Can anyone explain it to me? I mean spanish government can be shit but you live in this country like for ever in peace. What is the problem?
2017-10-27 15:51
#33
kebab | 
Turkey (''__") 
They mad because they have to pay lots of taxes so the poories in the rest of Spain can whore, drink and shit.
2017-10-27 15:52
#35
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Brazil fuNNa 
politicians take all the money from catalonia and put it into theyre bags this country is more corrupt as brazil
2017-10-27 15:53
#206
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
ninguém no mundo é mais corrupto que o lula, dilma, aécio,temer e dória. Não tem comparação nenhuma.
2017-10-27 17:57
#209
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Brazil fuNNa 
dilma é corrupção em pessoa
2017-10-27 17:59
#210
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
+999999999999999999
2017-10-27 18:00
Bolsonaro pra nos salvar
2017-10-27 18:20
#232
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
Eu espero que sim meu, tomará que o Brasil tome a decisão certa
2017-10-27 18:22
vou votar proximo ano pela primeira vez e vai ser nele.
2017-10-27 18:22
#267
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
Graças a Deus e tomará que sejas tu e muitos mais.
2017-10-27 18:34
bolsonaro 2022
2017-10-27 18:37
Catalonia is richest region in spain so they dont want to share money with other parts in country. In short words
2017-10-27 15:54
Which is a completely selfish and retarded way of thinking.
2017-10-27 17:05
#207
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Portugal DOUTROMUNDO 
the thing is spain will economicaly choke them to death, they are taking away from catalonia all their major companies, they will be economicaly broke like kosovo, serves them right.
2017-10-27 17:57
#111
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Spain Skolt 
3 replies to your comment and none said anything correct, incredible xD
2017-10-27 16:56
#134
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Kazakhstan 44s3r 
could you explain whats happening in short sentence pls
2017-10-27 17:12
#141
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Spain Skolt 
-There's an indenpendentist movement in Catalonia. -The main party involved in the independence right now was always against it. -Corruption in the Catalonian government is pretty high, and it comes mainly from the current governing party, using the independence to avoid judgement. -The actual independence declaration is totally useless, they have no right or power to do so. -The voting was illegal, by law in that case the votes should be casted publicly not anonymously, as they did to avoid legal prosecution.
2017-10-27 17:22
#152
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Kazakhstan 44s3r 
seems like Catalans are trying exit Spain, by the example of Brexit.
2017-10-27 17:26
#168
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Spain Skolt 
If you refer to the Scotland case they aren't fighting on the same ground; Scotland has international recognition as a nation throughout the world and even in some cases they're appointed as a totally different entity than the UK(soccer, for example), not the same for Catalonia. :/
2017-10-27 17:31
#181
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Kazakhstan 44s3r 
I guess so, the main reason why brits left EU was that they didn't want to pay £350m per week for membership in EU. Same happening in Catalonia since they don't want to share their profit with Spain.
2017-10-27 17:40
#187
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Spain Skolt 
To be fair, Catalonia is, by far, the most indebted region of Spain, numbering above 76.000M €, and that'll grow to 240.000M € in case of an independent Catalonia.
2017-10-27 17:44
The Spanish Government will intervene in this matter...
2017-10-27 17:28
#189
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Spain Skolt 
Yeah, "Crónica de una muerte anunciada"
2017-10-27 17:45
m8, I am young but sometimes I get well confused on this subject, I dont know if I prefer a Spain united with them.. or let them leave and stay the way they want. But that would be a terrible thing for the economy of Spain... difficult times
2017-10-27 17:47
#199
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Spain Skolt 
I'm in the side of "Let the people decide", I think Spain and Catalonia are stronger together, and I think they have the right to vote about something so serious. What I'm against is what Puigdemont and co did, this doesn't represent Catalonia in the least.
2017-10-27 17:53
Do u think the referendum was forged?
2017-10-27 17:54
#217
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Spain Skolt 
Yep, that wasn't even remotely legal: multivotes, vote recount in charge of proindependence organizations, outdated census...
2017-10-27 18:10
I heart that as well... =(
2017-10-27 18:19
NT JONATHAN E 0x0.st/ssHb.mp4
2017-10-28 12:52
#444
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Spain Skolt 
But he's right :thinking:
2017-10-28 14:46
They have a high industry because we have been sending it there due to proximity to Europe. They have been adoctrinated since a lot of years. They want money, the history part is obviously fake. And the most important: when I say "they" I dont mean catalonian people, but independentists. elmundo.es/cataluna/2017/05/17/591c52e04.. I recommend you all to view this video: youtu.be/1kZgvtHn4Ls
2017-10-27 17:22
#308
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Denmark clutchkongen 
it goes back in history when spain was a dictatorship and franco was the ruler of spain. the catalan region was suppressed and wasn't even allowed to speak or teach their own language and culture, even today they are being suppressed to some degree. and think about it, spain has only had democracy since around 1975.
2017-10-27 19:17
#445
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Spain Skolt 
1978, and the part about the languages isn't true, they weren't prosecuted; Catalan, Galician and Euskera were legal, but they weren't used for official purposes; I'm Galician btw.
2017-10-28 15:14
#32
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Brazil fuNNa 
catalonia pay most taxes in spain politicians are corrupt and take the money citizens close their eyes young people all unemployed
2017-10-27 15:52
Lol looks like our country Osuléomeupaís
2017-10-27 16:24
#62
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Brazil fuNNa 
its just sad yes
2017-10-27 16:25
You don't understand anything about economy it seems.
2017-10-27 17:06
#128
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Brazil fuNNa 
excepted from french president of the rich macron
2017-10-27 17:08
No one with half-a-brain voted Macron. And please just shut up, your people has elected the worst government ever... Your economical knowledge is still close to zero according to what you said.
2017-10-27 17:14
"No one with half-a-brain voted Macron"...well, that would be the majority of your voting population sooo...self-owned? :thinking:
2017-10-27 18:39
How is that "self-owned" ? Of course the majority of voting population is retarded. 75% of the world is retarded in fact, that's nothing new. But anyway, the majority didn't even vote for Macron. 25% of people boycotted the vote (which is HUGE, by far the record of non-voters). And on Macron side, there is like one third of people that voted only because they hated Le Pen, not because they wanted Macron. We have a saying here in France : "they had to chose between plague and cholera". Which means that both choices were bad but one was better than the other for them. Trust me, Macron is cancer and the majority here is far to support him.
2017-10-27 18:49
Talking about "worst governments ever" while your ppl BOYCOTTED a VOTE (Votes = changes, friendo) - yep, self-owned fits you people well. And the plague/cholera saying might fit, but I'd say you got the slight worse (just my opinion, which might not be true).
2017-10-27 19:07
Man... you don't even know how electoral system works in France and you are speaking... Here in France, you have to vote two times : the first time for anybody you want, and the second time for the two biggest candidates, those who are left for the last round of the elections. People did vote the first time for who they wanted, but they boycotted the second round because the two biggest candidates were shit. Fillon and Melanchon got 20% each on the first round for example, but were not qualified for the second round. I think both were equally bad imo, but for different reasons. I didn't vote for any obviously.
2017-10-27 19:20
Are you a leftist? High tax = bad for the economy.
2017-10-27 18:53
No, you simply didn't understand what i said. I definitly agree with the high taxes thing, but it's not like Catalonia were paying more taxes than the rest of Spain. So the argument doesn't work. It's perfectly normal that they give more money globally since there is more wealth in Catalonia, but individually they don't pay more than any other.
2017-10-27 18:57
More wealth = MUST pay more Okay lost my respect now, socialist. To hell with you! No wonder this political correctness/SJW narrative had its birthplace in france in the 1970ies.
2017-10-27 19:13
So you believe that someone earning millions should not pay more than someone earning 1000€/month, struggling to pay food or home, to give clothes and education to their kids ? Wow. You look like a very nice person.
2017-10-27 19:16
Im not nice, im logical and not a thief who steals from hard-working and thinking people to give it to some peasant pieces of shits, who are just jelly that their beanbrains are not capable of being something better then a janitor or a constuction worker. You always can work out of poverity instead of begging your way out, lazy fuck. My sallary rn is a total fucking mess and there are times that I dont even have money for bread, because my education costs something. But I know, that these hard, bad times will come to an end, when I learn my job AND learn how to manage money. We as "Westerners" have this opportunity and by giving money for free for lazy fucks (dont care which nationality) youre destabilizing the state by time so much, that it will collapse one day and this failure is CERTAIN.
2017-10-27 19:26
Gratz for calling a "lazy fuck" when I'm working my ass off to get a diploma and never got any cent from the State.
2017-10-27 19:46
Too dumb to realize you get payed AFTER education? OMEGALUL
2017-10-27 23:32
U don't have any fucking idea.
2017-10-27 17:23
Secession is the only key to true freedom. If globalists like Merkel hate secession because it causes a "race to the bottom" then it is a good thing.
2017-10-27 15:57
Secession is the only key to be good little pets for super powers like China, Russia or the USA. They want us to be devided so we are weaker than ever, so they can make us their bitches politically and economicaly. Nations need to stay strong or the world will be worst than ever and your precious freedom will disappear.
2017-10-27 17:11
No problem, tear them apart too.
2017-10-27 17:13
So we go back to middle-ages with everybody fighting each other over a piece of land and 0 unity between men ? How retarded are you ?
2017-10-27 17:16
Unity between man =/= world wide state where everyone is opressed under statutory power. Competition between states is the only real way of taming their power. You are the one that dont know the difference between voluntary cooperation and coertion.
2017-10-27 17:38
The " voluntary cooperation" won't exist anymore if you let every separatist movements grow. They will only look for personal interest like Catalonia, which is a really bad thing. Do you think it's fair that the richest part of country decides to do secession just because they are richer and don't want to support the poorer parts ? If everybody start doing that, little countries will became even shittier and it will create unprecedented waves of violence and instability that will paralyse the economy world-wide.
2017-10-27 18:16
Yes, they people are not born under the obligation of sustaining ayone at the point of the bayonet. We should foster voluntary cooperation not legal plunder.
2017-10-27 19:16
You are so naive that's insane. Well, go live in your utopic world if you want, I stay in the real one because the bullshit you are telling will never happen.
2017-10-27 19:17
You are the one whos utopic here thinking its all ok in todays world and it would be even better if all the mistakes we made in the past (making accountability and subsidiarity harder by building power structures further and further away from the people) were not only perpetuated but amplified. Good luck.
2017-10-27 19:21
Did I said that everything was ok today ? I honestly believe that the current world is pretty shitty. The thing is that your system would require men to be intelligent and not power-driven, which will never happen. Making more states that are way less powerfull = more war. You can say everything you want about our current era... but it's the first time ever the world see a relative global peace, at least between the 20 biggest powers.
2017-10-27 19:23
Wrong, more states = more possibility of people fleeing their tax voracity and their fiat money redistributive scheme. Smaller states = people in more direct contact with their rules making them actually scared of losing their head Smaller states = obliges rulers to be careful with their oppressive power since other states can out compete them by being more freedom oriented cuz of reason number one (the race to the bottom Merkel referred to when pissed cuz Ireland had lowererd their taxes). You are so gullible to think we live in a pieceful world because of giant states, in reality we live in a Brave New Worldish heading for an Orwellian nightmare where balance hangs on top of a nuclear button. Before the era of the large state (sec XX, era of total war and massacres) wars were much more subdued and ended much faster or in an stalmate that only dragged on without destroying all infrastructure of countries. As states grew so did the size and brutality of wars.
2017-10-27 19:31
#43
nelv1 | 
Czech Republic MSQT 
Catalonia >>>> Spain
2017-10-27 15:57
#46
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Brazil boiadeiroding 
#teamspain
2017-10-27 15:58
#47
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Portugal dracø 
Catalonia is Spain #RUNSPAIN
2017-10-27 15:58
#86
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Spain Kauka 
#RUNSPAIN
2017-10-27 16:36
TY :)
2017-10-27 16:42
#57
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Germany Mafuba 
catalonien did a ForceBuy^^
2017-10-27 16:22
#85
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Spain Kauka 
catalonia on eco rounds for the next 40-50 years gl with dat
2017-10-27 16:35
Catalonia full eco vs Spain with 5 members at 16k
2017-10-27 16:42
No, you are the poorest Western country.
2017-10-27 17:39
false
2017-10-27 18:20
not false actually, youve cost our country a shitload of money already.
2017-10-27 19:12
Salty because the netherlands was part of our great empire?
2017-10-27 19:32
You are funny bro, but a terrible baiter, 0/8
2017-10-27 19:36
#355
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Spain Todd_Howard 
spain is the 4th country in the eu behind germany france and italy. and 6th in europe (which includes uk and russia)
2017-10-27 22:13
Let's talk about schools, unemployment, infrastructure.
2017-10-27 22:14
#361
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Spain Todd_Howard 
i was talking gdp. obviously spain is fckd in unemployment and in government
2017-10-27 22:52
Catalonia will be even worse.
2017-10-28 00:41
#63
sadboys | 
Latvia kjyy 
its happening
2017-10-27 16:25
it has also been said in switzerland, it is your end if you do not join the EU! LUL
2017-10-27 16:25
but the difference is that switzerland has never been part of eu and is a fiscal paradise
2017-10-27 18:21
Very good for you, medic!
2017-10-27 18:45
when will germany follow?
2017-10-27 20:26
Germany LIVES from the EU so we'd rather become an autocratic system through the EU haha (fuck those plans ofc. ) I am no full german(half-pole) so I'd actually like to see this country go the fuck down for the sake of an Europe full of nations instead of being an european nation.
2017-10-27 23:35
t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/id_8.. But I think before that autocraticism thing happens we'd get fingerblasted to oblivion by our "leadculture" (Thats what they want islam to be).
2017-10-27 23:38
Rip catalonia, EU will never accept this indeptendence cuz the same is in italy, france etc... SPAIN, EU vs CATALONIA = EZ win Spain viva espania
2017-10-27 16:33
rip? eu never accept switzerlands vote, we dont care'^^
2017-10-27 16:35
#98
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Brazil fuNNa 
switzerland can laugh about eu youre one of the richest country
2017-10-27 16:44
Switz and Norway
2017-10-27 16:53
so I wonder why rip?
2017-10-27 17:29
cant declare indepence when the governments and bankers around the whole world want u to be slaves. :thinking:
2017-10-27 16:42
#97
World $oft 
rip barça
2017-10-27 16:43
nice
2017-10-27 16:51
All this shit is illegal, so there won't be independence /closed
2017-10-27 16:52
exactly. which is why this whole mess will eventually evolve in a civilwar
2017-10-27 16:59
no it will end in jail and puigdemont running off to romania with his wife
2017-10-27 18:22
How is illegaly? Did they vote for independence? YES. It can't be illegal, just accept it.
2017-10-27 17:00
Just inform urself about why it is illegal, then come back here
2017-10-27 17:03
Democracy is a democracy , you can vote when you wants and nobody gonna stop them. If did they vote for independence then get lost and let them go their own way, so tell me when it's gonna be legal for you?
2017-10-27 17:05
i am on your side but dude, 70 people basically voted for million people ON BOTH SIDES this isnt democratic whatsoever
2017-10-27 17:11
Only catalan people voted, so the opinion of the rest of Spain doesn't count? If you want to be independent, you have to ask to the whole country, but they know the result was obviously going to be NO
2017-10-27 17:12
#153
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Brazil prkz0r 
Why would u ask people that don't live there? That makes no sense Based on that, no country would ever become independent.
2017-10-27 17:26
Because Catalonia is part of Spain...
2017-10-27 17:29
#172
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Brazil prkz0r 
Irland were part of the United Kindgom Poland were part of Germany (Prussia) Pakistain and Bangladesh were part of India and many others, so what?
2017-10-27 17:36
poland existed before germany
2017-10-27 18:23
#272
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Brazil prkz0r 
and Kingdom of Aragon before Spain
2017-10-27 18:36
#414
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Europe Markss 
Then let the Kingdom of Aragon vote por an independence. Nobody outside Catalonia will vote "yes".
2017-10-28 01:27
because it's also our land, our industry and our culture.
2017-10-27 17:29
#167
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Brazil prkz0r 
LOL, if you are spanish you know that spain is divided in Autonomous Regions, so it's THEIR land, THEIR culture.
2017-10-27 17:31
our, they are also spanish mate.
2017-10-27 17:44
#190
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Brazil prkz0r 
Oh really? So why they have their own language? The Catalan And what about Galiza? That speak Galician, that gave origin to Portuguese. Are they Spanish too?
2017-10-27 17:47
You should read about your country and maybe after that you can judge about others. This is too big for you. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Brazi..
2017-10-27 17:53
What a poor reply...
2017-10-27 18:05
it doesnt come from portuguese dude it comes from latin
2017-10-27 18:24
#240
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Brazil prkz0r 
Where i said it come from? are u mental?
2017-10-27 18:25
#245
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Brazil prkz0r 
"that gave origin to Portuguese" can u read?
2017-10-27 18:26
#139
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Portugal dracø 
You talk about democracy, but if that vote was a democratic act, how come they allowed people to vote multiple times? That's what fascist parties used to do to ensure the results they wanted lul The vote will be legal when the whole country has a say in it
2017-10-27 17:18
Exactly
2017-10-27 17:29
#114
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Germany Mafuba 
I hope the next independet place is a old German Part "Elsass Lothringen" wich is France now. So we all German-Russian can go back home... and we dont need to live with this German-Turkey-Islam community
2017-10-27 16:58
this, bavaria or south tyrol next or all together which would be a dream come true :D
2017-10-27 17:00
#123
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Germany Mafuba 
We should do a war a take "elsass lothringen" back, really!
2017-10-27 17:03
i just want my beloved south tyrol back and maybe annex with bavaria D:
2017-10-27 17:09
#119
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Croatia Netkov 
Good luck.
2017-10-27 17:01
Congrats Catalonia, the newest country in Europe.
2017-10-27 17:03
#154
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Europe xdavidlm 
ty
2017-10-27 17:26
its the newest country out of europe
2017-10-27 18:26
#135
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Faroe Islands _shubaN 
GL Catalonia, hope you can last for one month.
2017-10-27 17:13
#176
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World bogdan333 
one month lol, not even 1 week
2017-10-27 17:38
The funniest thing is that supporters of the catalonian nationalism are typically known as anti-nationalist. When there are not values (due to adoctrination) it depends of wich hand gives you more food.
2017-10-27 17:27
#160
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Europe g_G 
There is not adoctrination mate
2017-10-27 17:29
sure? elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/25/inenglish/1.. noticierouniversal.com/wp-content/upload.. dolcacatalunya.com/wp-content/uploads/20.. productoscatalanesyvascosnogracias.files.. i.ytimg.com/vi/CIXBQ1NddiE/hqdefault.jpg I wouldnt mind if they were teaching history, but is not real history: almendron.com/blog/wp-content/images/201.. (there have never been a "corona catalanoaragonesa" = cataloaragonian crown. IT'S FAKE.
2017-10-27 17:42
#306
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Europe g_G 
Those books you are showing are not in schools, you know that right? All those pictures need context to make any sense, you not proving anything :)
2017-10-27 19:16
if there isnt adoctrination why the kids have that independist ideas?
2017-10-28 17:46
#454
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Europe g_G 
They don't, they are just kids, they may repeat independent songs or shit like that because is stuff that you listen everywhere but this kids doesnt grow up hating spain, they don't even know what independence is about. I got smaller cousins from small citys in catalunya where there is so much independentism and It's like that for them. I'm not even independentist myself, I think both parts have handled the situation really poorly I can't help it but put myself in favour of catalunya from so much shit you listen from people of spain
2017-10-28 17:53
youtu.be/yhjYQptGxlI We don't like people who want to steal our land with lies.
2017-10-28 18:08
#185
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Brazil prkz0r 
They are against the evil and corrupt government from Madrid.
2017-10-27 17:43
Me also, and I dont create my own country in my house.
2017-10-27 17:50
+1
2017-10-27 18:28
#149
paz | 
Turkey VpolatTR 
divide and manage sorry amigos some people wanna f*ck spain dont let them
2017-10-27 17:25
ty
2017-10-27 18:29
#158
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Europe kennyBeast 
Catalonia just got tired of carrying a shit country, same thing what uk did when exiting eu.
2017-10-27 17:28
except catalunya actually is the economically strongest region, has good teeth hygiene , good food and good weather
2017-10-28 15:55
barcelona will be the king of the catalonian football
2017-10-27 17:39
maybe L'hospitalet win one match
2017-10-27 18:30
live on russia today lol
2017-10-27 17:41
Congrats Catalonia, much love from Switzerland, it was a time to stop Spain's repression <3
2017-10-27 17:44
repression??
2017-10-27 18:31
well when people just want to hold a vote about independence and their "countrymen" are sent in to whoop their asses and kick elderly people trying to vote what do you call that? I get that the vote was "illegal" due to low turnout but how can you achieve turnout to show true public opinion if people are afraid to go and vote? If there is not as many people clamoring for independence as it seems at least hold a fair referendum that is accurate rather than telling people against it not to go vote. Not to mention it gives the pro-independence party less ammunition considering the vote by all catalonians rejected independence.
2017-10-28 01:21
i guess spain will go to russia next year without the calalonians players.
2017-10-27 17:48
#205
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African Union ArisA 
#GOCATALONIA
2017-10-27 17:56
I love how they talk about what´s happening here like if they were living here; I was in the UK during the 1-O and the information that arrives there is basically non-existent, don´t thrust the media, outside they say: "Thousands of people got hurt by the police" The reality is that the independentist were the ones who attacked first and they took their children and grandparents to a very tense place in a really tense day.
2017-10-27 18:06
Lets assume that Catalonia became independent. Will Basque want to become independent too, or Basque people ok with Spain? Also are there any other regions in Spain who wants to become independent? Im just curious
2017-10-27 18:13
They won´t, because they have more independence than any other country in Spain, but the autonomy is ruled by an independentist country (PNV). Yes, just see this map: google.es/search?q=europe+separatist+map..
2017-10-27 18:17
Well, if your country divide into little pieces, then enjoy Balkanization and becoming puppets of USA or Russia. Ty for the answer
2017-10-27 18:25
The governing party (PNV) is actually Nationalist, not independentist - at not least for now. It is easy to infer though that if any status change happens in Catalonia they would jump on the (political) bandwagon to claim the same for their autonomy.
2017-10-27 18:25
Sorry, I wanted to say nationalist. And about that, who knows what will happen if Catalonia becomes independent.
2017-10-27 18:27
With this kind of behaviour it won't happen any time soon as far as I understand it.
2017-10-27 18:32
Yeah, the problem is not being independent, is what they are doing to become independent.
2017-10-27 18:40
Since when are you allowed to remove comments which are actually facts? Please explain to me, because ur mod abusing. Spain is poor indeed, you've cost my country billions of euro's and dont dare to remove this comment because it's the truth.
2017-10-27 19:08
Bro, you don't make billions, you are a way too small country. In the other hand, we may cost you a lot because of the money the people from your country spends here when they come as tourists in hordes every single holiday
2017-10-27 19:46
Hahahaha we dont make billions? go back to school, obviously Spanish education has failed again, and yea if we didnt visit you, you'd be a 3rd world country.
2017-10-27 22:53
Bro, you are a really bad baiter. Not your area, sorry :/ but hey, at least you tried no? Wish you better luck for your future baits :)
2017-10-28 01:00
This guy hates Spain.
2017-10-28 01:59
Haha yeah, and he keeps trying bro, I'm letting him vent his hate so he can feel little bit better with himself.
2017-10-28 12:25
5 years of fighting incoming to actually be independent
2017-10-27 18:14
cool for their people, not so cool for economy though
2017-10-27 18:18
that shit is gonna fail miserably plus no one supports them last time i checked they declared independence in 1934 and it lasted 10 hours lul
2017-10-27 18:24
last time it lasted 8 seconds* :D
2017-10-27 18:47
#234
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Brazil cadik 
catalonia should unite with portugal
2017-10-27 18:22
#252
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African Union ArisA 
ahahahahahahahahaha
2017-10-27 18:29
Worse than being independent.
2017-10-27 18:31
Yes I Agre.. A good Decision! See the local sidewalk
2017-10-27 22:12
#256
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Ireland sk0ffin 
GO CATALONIA!!! #RUNCATALONIA
2017-10-27 18:30
Agree
2017-10-27 19:02
This is what you get when you support illegal declarations of independence like the West did with Kosovo. Now every region within nation states believes they can declare independence whether it's legal or not. Leftists and liberals come unstuck in the end like always. What a shame! LUL.
2017-10-27 19:08
I don't understand your point, independence is almost never legal. The 'legality' depends purely on diplomacy and war. Let's say whole Europe turned against Spain (which isn't likely since they don't want independencies in their own countries). Spain would forced to accept Catalonia indepency or they would face economic sanctions that would destroy the rest of the country. Or let's say there was a war and Catalonia for a miracle crushed spanish army, they would most likely recognize the independency too.
2017-10-27 22:13
Hello? This is 2017, Europe. Not Yugoslavia or Africa where people make things up and do as they please like with Kosovo. In modern times rule of law is paramount if people want to live in a civilised society. Not decisions made through guns or money. Catalonia has a regional assembly, but the central government which has primacy is the Spanish state. A subordinate government can't simply declare independence without negotiating to secede from another level of it's government which is superior to it and which it has agreements with. UK is an example of a country which held a successful democratic referendum on the matter. Catalonia should follow the legal processes in order to get a legal referendum. Even if it means waiting until Spain is ready to let them leave. The recognition of Kosovo is one of the preceding events that caused this to occur because it broke the precedent of allowing regions to secede from nation states. The West broke international law in recognising Kosovo, now other regions break the law and take the example of Kosovo, and in recognising it's unilateral "right to self-determination" over Serbia's legal right to maintain it's territorial integrity.
2017-10-27 23:34
If the USA breaks an International law they agreed upon, will they be punished? By who? Nobody can afford to cut relations with the USA. They could bomb fucking UK out of nowhere and most countries would still side with them. They are the law. Law only has meaning because it's something that can be enforced. In the case of International laws, they most of the time mean nothing. It's always a conflict of interests, and in cases like this people are actually willing to die for their interests. "A subordinate government can't simply declare independence without negotiating to secede from another level of it's government which is superior to it and which it has agreements with." You say this and proceed to tell about how Kosovo broke this agreement and suceeded, and then how other countries broke their international agreement and acepted Kosovo independency. Is Kosovo an illegal country? To whom? If everybody else recognize them, they are pretty much legal. What is Serbia gonna do? They can't fight with everybody. They can't break relations with everyone. They can stay salt and say Kosovo is their territory forever, if they lay any waste to Kosovo they will have to see with more powerful countries. So in practice for the Kosovo people it doesn't matter what Serbia thinks of them.
2017-10-28 00:33
I don't need to have an ontological debate about what rights, laws and independence constitutes niBBa. that is just retarded and irrelevant to anyone's discussion in this whole thread. there are such things as laws. kosovo is an illegal state because it was formed on an unilateral declaration of independence. but it is a de facto independent state. no one is denying that. it is the same thing with catalonia. i really hope you can comprehend that there is no conflict in those two natures coexisting. being illegal and yet independent and that you never had to reply to me in the first place cuz the discussion is tedious for me. thank u & goodbye.
2017-10-28 01:14
#freecatalonia
2017-10-27 19:49
*UPDATE* The arrests will begin on monday. the catalanian politicians involved could face up to 25 years in prison for treason
2017-10-27 21:53
catalonia is the living proof of us being slaves that cant declare shit if they dont accept it :D
2017-10-27 21:56
yea rip, we are fuked
2017-10-27 22:02
its not like i dont share your views but you have to look at it from both perspectives; only the catalonian politicians voted for independence, no support/approval from a single spanish politician whatsoever. and since catalonia is (or rather was?) a part of spain, both sides had to be involved thats not how democracy works
2017-10-27 22:11
if ppl want freedom they should been given freedom unless some ppl dont want them to be free. lets be honest why u need spains vote if the majority almost 100% vote for independence there
2017-10-27 22:22
i completely agree with you but they cant just let a part of spain (and one of the wealthiest at that) abandon the country overnight. at the bare minimum, it requires A LOT of bureaucratic work and can take years. and spain doesnt care about the people, it only cares about its wealth, economics and relationship to the eu sadly thats just how things go nowadays
2017-10-27 22:31
#379
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Europe g_G 
the thing is that only 40% of the population of catalonia voted because It was declared to be ilegal by the spanish government. The result would be way different if we, all catalain people voted. I think the relationship between catalans and spaniards is way too damaged at this point
2017-10-27 23:59
ye well the voting hasn't gone really fair to be honest. People could vote as many times as they liked, and most of the people that didn't want Catalonia to become independent didn't even bother to vote, cuz they knew that the result wouldn't be acknowledged by the spanish government anyway.
2017-10-28 00:00
*UPDATE* Spanish PM dissolves catalanian parliament
2017-10-27 22:18
"actually managed to declare indepence lmao" anyone could declare independence lul
2017-10-27 22:29
#FREECATALONIA
2017-10-27 22:57
So let me get this straight. People think its right to allow the rest of spain to vote on this? That is so stupid. I get rn its part of your country but when spanish person in their right mind would vote yes? lmfao stupidest logic ever. Catalonia could have 95% of its people want independence (yes ik it is nowhere near that high) but just because the rest of the nation wants it to stay oops sorry guys looks like your staying under repressive rule forever sorry about that I support the independence of Catalonia but it isn't going to last past tomorrow. Feelsbadman for them I'd ditch shitty Spain in 2 seconds if I was them
2017-10-28 01:26
i support independence of confederate states that were in US civil war... lol give me a break...you dont need to put you nose every where muricans and mind your own businesses please because when you come to someone with "liberation" and "democracy" it in translate usually means bloodshed and killing people...
2017-10-28 12:59
The sovereignty of the country is vested in the whole Spanish population thus it would make no sense that just a part of it, especially if inducted by a minority, does want to decide on it. I honestly don't share your opinion on the autonomy being under a 'repressive rule'. Catalonia, and its inhabitants, is just as free as any other autonomy that is part of Spain. Needless to say that this does not exclude abiding to the law. As for the independence not being possible, who knows! But surely not through some 'my way or the highway' procedure.
2017-10-28 20:07
Catalonia doesn't have any army right? That should be EZ win for Spain... to be honest. No army = No democracy and EU is not even backing up Catalonia so what can they do? Nothing. At least in the case of Kosovo back in the days, they had support from UN... but here, good luck!
2017-10-28 01:30
if spain let catalonia go basque will be next
2017-10-28 10:17
GJ CATALONIA
2017-10-28 12:50
#446
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Other Kiley 
2017-10-28 15:26
wont happen
2017-10-28 15:53
#455
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United States Moon1300 
#FreeCatalonia
2017-10-28 18:03
#463
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China cescyyy 
1.vote is illegal 2.have to go to war or no indepence 3.Catalonia cant war 4.gg
2017-10-28 18:29
+1 Wow an intelligent user in HLTV. Now i've seen it all
2017-10-28 21:12
#465
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Argentina YH!one 
#FreeCatalunya
2017-10-28 20:07
#466
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Turkey bigretard 
Spain going to let that happen. there will be a fight and its not good for the world for that to happen, since Trump became president the world has gone splits. he is the spark for wars to come
2017-10-28 21:11
#FreeCatalonia
2017-10-28 21:38
#470
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Spain Ali3nigena 
emmm HLTV and the catalonia flag??
2017-10-28 21:41
#473
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Denmark clutchkongen 
Inc. now that they achieved independence it’s just a matter of time.
2017-10-28 23:46
#483
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Spain Ali3nigena 
rigth here we still independent xddd
2017-10-29 16:06
#476
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Turkey Black237 
congrat to catalonia independence ! don't stay with dictatorial spain !
2017-10-29 00:00
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