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The coldzera and NiKo battle!
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Macedonia communitysuckssometimes 
So, these two players are the best in 2017, don't talk about fer, in my opinion he is ~top7. Who is better? coldzera or NiKo? Let's see the main skills in CS:GO and say who is better: Aim - NiKo, not by far tho Gamesense - both tied, or just rather go with cold Clutching - both are different styles, so tied, NiKo does the unexpected but he also plays clever sometimes, cold is the exact opposite - he plays clever and sometimes does unexpected things. AWPing - coldzera Pistols - NiKo by far Consistency - coldzera, not by far Stats - Both are insane In terms of achievements, i think that NiKo has achieved more than cold this year, if we don't count tier2 events that SK won. Who do you think is better? -From a fan of both players.
2017-11-24 16:39
ferGOD TOP1
2017-11-24 16:39
#16
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
ayyyy +1 big boy
2017-11-24 16:48
#120
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South Africa dotu 
stop it
2017-11-24 17:45
#142
fnx | 
Brazil frkP|NTC 
+10000000000000000000000000000000
2017-11-24 18:11
#162
TACO | 
Brazil Manzix 
ferGOD top 1
2017-11-24 18:53
ayyyy +1 big boy
2017-11-24 18:56
+1 ferMONSTRO
2017-11-25 06:44
#238
fer | 
Brazil PauloFlu 
+1
2017-11-26 23:16
#287
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Brazil matheus7 
+10000000000000000000000000
2017-11-27 18:47
#288
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Portugal alonyyylvr 
This guy knows what's up. +1
2017-11-27 18:49
#291
fnx | 
Brazil frkP|NTC 
+1 ferNOMENAL
2017-11-27 19:14
#2
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Niko *mad sk come crying in 3,2,1* no kappa
2017-11-24 16:40
Coldzera is the most complete and consistent player. You solve this question with a question: Who would you select for your team? Coldzera // Because? Because he is more efficient, in addition to doing the part of him does the part of the others too (taco) I would select for my NiKo team if it was a showmatch, to make beautiful kills and highlights.
2017-11-24 17:15
The reason why nobody will pick Coldzera is because he needs his fucking boyfriends to set him up or else he falls over. Nobody wants to have Coldzera AND Taco on their team.
2017-11-24 17:21
Ya, like on this video. youtu.be/OGS_gqv59BI Clearly set up... Yellow teeth
2017-11-24 17:34
Reported and also nice one vs Mouz rofl
2017-11-24 17:52
Here u go, yellow youtu.be/TN0XhBcwfV8
2017-11-24 19:50
Reported and oh look, Taco baiting for Coldzera rofl n1
2017-11-24 20:08
#192
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Brazil DRayyy 
in this last video ( overpass ) niko see coldzera's shadow ,and still losing the duel maybe choke or inexperiente ( IM NOT A COLDZERA FANBOY )
2017-11-24 21:11
go find something to do, like brushing your teeth
2017-11-24 21:13
better brush your yellow teeth cause you got rekt. Close. Next.
2017-11-27 19:27
#103
EliGE | 
United States A2^_^ 
Id actually pick NiKo over coldzera for anyteam.
2017-11-24 17:34
If you pick NiKo, cold will destroy your match, caution, some players saying that it's the more annoying player for play against. (s1mple)
2017-11-24 20:49
#108
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
niko>cold #cryisfree
2017-11-24 17:40
agreed, to have cold you need his own decoy taco... please someone kick taco from sk, PLEASE
2017-11-24 17:41
#271
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Brazil Dynamo_ 
So, someone warns TACO that he's doing the wrong entry fragger function, because he has to be like Rain, who does not raise any trophies.
2017-11-27 02:19
#155
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Netherlands ImKuru 
Taco actually is the reason why the other players in sk can shine
2017-11-24 18:34
You and other people say this having knowledge that he is a trash player in yours skills, for that he stay and continue destroying the sk, lul
2017-11-24 20:51
#272
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Brazil Dynamo_ 
So, someone warns TACO that he's doing the wrong entry fragger function, because he has to be like Rain, who does not raise any trophies. ProdigioGames, u probably should be a gold / silver for doesn't know what is teamwork
2017-11-27 02:22
Team work does not hide the bad skill of aiming among other attributes of the taquinho. You're silver, of course.
2017-11-27 17:14
#278
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Brazil Dynamo_ 
2 major, he must be really bad anyway.
2017-11-27 17:16
#179
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Brazil Neegger 
Depends on the other 4 players, but If probably pick niko because he can entry and get a team rolling, cold only wins if his team is playing well. Too many games where he frags a shit ton and still loses, niko never has those games because when he frags he carries Impact>consistency Entries>>>k/d Imo
2017-11-24 21:00
Impact>>consistency ?? entris>>> kd ?? FerGOD best player of all time, top 1 of 2017, of course
2017-11-24 21:05
#216
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Brazil Neegger 
For a good part of the year, fer was the best player on sk. Lately... Not so much.
2017-11-25 06:35
#263
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United States ItsImpact 
I’d select fallen as my #1 pick. He speaks English well and is the best igl in the world and a top 3 awper
2017-11-27 01:44
#168
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Brazil razorheadd 
how can someone compare niko with coldzera? niko is only famous because his deagle kills, in everything else he is a shit player. proof is that he is owned by sk and coldzera everytime they play against.
2017-11-24 19:55
#169
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Niko > Cold blind fanboy Salty much ?
2017-11-24 20:01
#172
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Brazil razorheadd 
as i said below, cold is 7x times mvp being 2x of them major ones, world's best player of 2016 of hltv AND best esports player by The Game Awards, niko has good aim and that's it, show me some amazing clutch or smart play that niko pulled of more than 5x times. open niko and cold profiles on hltv that you will understand why this is a dumb comparison. And not salty, it's just that against facts there is no arguments.
2017-11-24 20:13
#175
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
We are talking 2017 here if you want to talk about 2016 might aswell say get right is best in the game.
2017-11-24 20:50
This man only say shit... Where are the arguments? you just talk niko >> cold, lul man. Show numbers, consistency, best of the twos.
2017-11-24 20:53
#178
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Biggest tournaments rating 2.0 in 2017 Niko 1.24 1st in the whole scene Cold 1.23 2nd in the whole scene Cold had 2 other teammate mvps Niko had 1 mvp teammate.
2017-11-24 20:55
KD, LUL, omega lul. I don't believe that i wasted my time with a fanboy of niko, but ok Of course, Coldzera is the most important, efficient player that makes the most important plays, more leadership and intelligence, but it is not the case .... 2 MAJOR WIN, 2 MAJOR MVP 7 MVP's against 1 of NiKo More kills per round, less death per round, more consistancy, all data base Godmode: Cold Nikos best rating: 2.40 hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/28768/.. Nikos best rating on lan: 2.16 hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/20142/.. Colds best rating: 2.85 hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/35305/.. Colds best rating on LAN: 2.69 hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/45142/.. Cold vs Niko head to head: hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/55781/..
2017-11-24 21:08
#200
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Lul talks about 2016 achievments. We are talking about 2017. Also like your map ratings im not hating but complexity is not a legit team like who cares about that result or any of these (except gambit that was sick still niko>cold) Cold is good because he is in a better system and niko is just that insane and better than cold. Niko has a higher rating in 2017 of big tournaments when for the half of the year his team was worse. Dont forget 1 more thing i was never talking about 2016 because from history yes cold is better but because you cant read you cant understand that everything i judge on is based on 2017 results i not the past. Because if you want me to show the past i can show you how insane get right used to be. 2017 is what i talk about and you are talking about 2016. 2017 both had no major wins and cold had better teammates so that is why he will be number 1. But realistically and to a person who thinks with brain its should be niko. Niko>cold And since you want to talk about stupid matches here is one: hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/54594/.. Your boy got destroyed by rank s player wardell nice joke imgur.com/gallery/DdH7j
2017-11-24 21:27
I did not read
2017-11-24 21:27
#213
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
its okay just open those 2 links its enough
2017-11-24 21:28
#217
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Brazil Neegger 
Niko had the best tournament ever in the history of counter strike @ esl new york Greatest rating ever So godmode niko>godmode cold U just cant handle facts very well, in ur opinion cold is like 10x better than niko lol
2017-11-25 06:37
Are you blind or pretend? Do you could see the links with the information?
2017-11-25 07:30
Stop watch fragmovies of youtube and download demos
2017-11-25 07:31
#226
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Brazil Neegger 
really sad
2017-11-25 09:17
#240
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Lol Niko has a better big event Lan rating this year, even though Sk was much more sucessfull overall
2017-11-26 23:30
Watch demos and see the truth niko fanboy
2017-11-24 21:06
#205
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Yeah i agree then it will even make point clearer Niko> Cold not biased just not a mankey
2017-11-24 21:22
You're from? I does not know this country my friend hahaha, seems the africa? where stays?
2017-11-24 21:26
#212
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Brazil Good education > Pick one
2017-11-24 21:27
#220
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Brazil JustCutt 
Lithuania boy talking about education LuL
2017-11-25 06:50
#230
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Well our education is better than brazilian education so i dont know why are you barking.
2017-11-25 10:10
"If we don't count tier 2 events that sk won" dude the only tier 2 event was summit
2017-11-24 16:42
dh summer?
2017-11-24 16:43
1.5
2017-11-24 16:43
lol what? SK was the only good team there.
2017-11-24 16:43
Ok maybe that was kinda tier 2 ish, but they still won epicenter, esl one cologne, iem sydney and ecs season 3. Those 4 events are tier 1, right?
2017-11-24 16:45
yeah I guess. IEM sydney was a t1.5 event tho ( only 8 teams and 3 of them was not even top 30)
2017-11-24 16:46
Yes, but i guess it was meant to cater towards people from the oceania- area whilst still having atleast 3 top teams (ast, faze and sk. North/optic, atleast then, were arguable)
2017-11-24 16:48
#19
fer | 
Brazil mettchix 
faze , astralis and north was there
2017-11-24 16:48
#29
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
SK and FaZe are the 1st and 2nd best teams of 2017, Astralis is the 3rd and North at least top 7. So from the 8 teams, 4 of them are top 7 from the entire year. Of course there were some shit teams like VG and Chiefs, but the 3 best teams in the world were there plus North. Definitely tier 1!
2017-11-24 16:57
LMAO SYDNEY 1.5 TIER EVENT? THE GRAND FINAL WAS SK VS FAZE, was a big event. And coldzera rekts 2 times NiKo in that event, spray 3k (1vs3 overpass) and 1vs1 coldzera vs niko site B overpass, ESC 3 too (sk vs faze grand final, sk won 2-1) - youtube.com/watch?v=0vs0tBLZNZY (spray 3k rekts niko) - youtu.be/u2Og7377XJQ?t=13m51s (Min 13:51 1vs1 cold rekts niko) Bonus: Coldzera peeks niko ESL COLOGNE 2017 (sk won that tournament aswell) - youtube.com/watch?v=C-vPGFvBl_w
2017-11-24 16:57
The grandfinal was against faze, you imbecile, lol. Sk raped them 3-1 if you don't remember.
2017-11-24 17:33
why are u so mad? Nvm, u are an SK fan so why wouldnt you be? I guess you wont watch ECS S3
2017-11-24 17:34
Of course I won't ECS S3 already happened and sk won it, lol, u fucking retard. If I remember correctly sk raped faze in the finals of that tournament as well, lmao. So fucking ez.
2017-11-24 17:36
#111
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
They didnt rape them. Rape is when you 2-0 or 3-0 a team.
2017-11-24 17:41
rape is when you fuck someone without their consent, FAZE DIDNT GIVE THAT CONSENT
2017-11-24 21:16
#203
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
You are mistaking csgo with real life buddy. Rape is when you 2-0/3-0 convincigly. 0.3/8
2017-11-24 21:20
and faze will finally have a chance to win something. :>
2017-11-24 17:38
name checks out
2017-11-24 21:15
#227
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Brazil Neegger 
lmao all these braindead coldzera fanboys freaking out I swear, I've never seen such a cult in cs
2017-11-25 09:20
#10
fer | 
Brazil mettchix 
in dh summer , but sk won Epicenter 2017 , ESL One Cologne 2017 , IEM Sydney , ECS Season 3
2017-11-24 16:45
#7
fer | 
Brazil mettchix 
In terms of achievements: SK won Epicenter 2017 , ESL One Cologne 2017 , IEM Sydney , ECS Season 3 Faze won Eleague Premier and Esl One new york 2017
2017-11-24 16:43
FaZe won SL i-League StarSeries Season 3 Finals as well
2017-11-24 16:44
#13
fer | 
Brazil mettchix 
I forgot this one
2017-11-24 16:47
np :)
2017-11-24 16:47
Yes, but what about all the finals they achieved, imo they are still achievements.
2017-11-24 16:58
You can't compare faze achievements with SK, lol. SK was at least top4 in almost every event they got in, plus those titles this guy mentioned.
2017-11-24 17:41
#12
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Finland jUPPE! 
cold and it's not even close.
2017-11-24 16:46
not even close?
2017-11-24 16:47
#25
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Finland jUPPE! 
Coldzera has better game sense and decision making abilities, is much more consistent and he is also much more important part in his teams success. NiKo might be better aimer and that's all.
2017-11-24 16:52
He isn't that much better, i can say, cold is still better but not like 2X BETTER, he is better but not by far.
2017-11-24 16:59
#114
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
And with only that he is better.
2017-11-24 17:41
#146
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Brazil Detr0IT 
I mean, it's not by far, but i would pick cold over niko, i would pick niko instead of cold only as a aimer, in any other aspect i would pick cold. Niko only has a better aim and not by far. Niko is important af on Faze, cold is also important af on SK If you count achievements then Cold has won more with SK that year than Faze (even if you count only t1 events) Cold is more consistent. They're tied on clutching in my opnion. With awp i would take Niko, i think he's INSANE with the awp, even better than guardian. For Top1 i would pick Cold and for Top2 Niko.
2017-11-24 18:21
niko can`t beat SK. so probably coldzera
2017-11-24 16:48
#116
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
For the finals that sk beat faze, faze only had 2 stars those being niko,rain sk had 4 felps,fer.fallen,cold. /closed
2017-11-24 17:42
#20
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Slovakia shoxification 
there isn't any battle even niko accepts cold is the best in the world
2017-11-24 16:48
He does, i also think that cold is better, but Brazilians overthink it, they say "#COLDTOP1 and they say that others suck, also they put fer at #2 which is well, retarded.
2017-11-24 16:57
Cold is easily 1st - Niko is 2nd tho so congratulations to Niko for being 2nd in the world. That's an achievement too.
2017-11-24 16:49
#22
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
"Consistency - coldzera, not by far" lul
2017-11-24 16:49
Yes, he is more consistent than NiKo but it's not by far.
2017-11-24 17:02
#170
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Brazil razorheadd 
"not far". yeah right, being 7x times mvp being 2x of them major ones doesn't prove that he has better consistency than niko. stop this bullshit, just open niko and cold profiles on hltv that you will understand why this is a dumb comparison.
2017-11-24 20:03
#206
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Serbia wInt3r 
That proving SK is more consistent than Faze,it's not comparison for 2 best players in the world you can't get MVP if your team lose.I can say SK is probably top 1 team in 2017 but that doesn't mean cold is number one.
2017-11-24 21:31
LUL Cold miles away better than NIKO.
2017-11-24 16:49
no, cold is better, but not that much
2017-11-24 17:02
SK without Cold = Tier 3 team FAZE without Niko = still ter 1 team even with k1o
2017-11-24 17:12
No, both teams are nothing without these players.
2017-11-24 17:14
#119
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
You are wrong. Sk without cold would minimum top 5 because fer imo is more important than cold, boltz is nasty as entry (so fer,boltz as entry is probably best duo) fallen awp (2# awper in the world), and if you add someone like fnx that team is easily top 5. Meanwhile removed niko from faze and you will have rain,guardian and if that team would want to be top #5 olof would have to be much better than now.
2017-11-24 17:44
#184
paz | 
Turkey ertanrex 
tier 1 with k1o omega lulu
2017-11-24 21:08
SK without Cold would still have fer and fallen who both are in top 10 and with fallens system they would still be tier 1.
2017-11-24 21:19
#24
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
Pistol niko? Niko can only deag and so can cold. coldzera is the best player with cz. wachumin big boy.
2017-11-24 16:50
Not really, but ok since you are die-hard Braziliano.
2017-11-24 17:00
#38
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
HEY HEY, just saying... btw aim wise is hard to say cuz crosshair placement wise COLDZERA IS BY FAR better than Niko.
2017-11-24 17:01
HAHAHA That's really dumb if you don't realize.Every pro has amazing crosshair placement, they are all tied, saying that is the same as saying "NiKo because he has a better haircut"
2017-11-24 17:03
#46
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
crosshair placement, all tied, pros. mmmmmmmmmmm :thinking: Sorry to say this but your knowledge in cs in general and pro scene isnt the best my friend.
2017-11-24 17:04
What makes you think that yours is way better? I didn't say all are tied, but i said everyone has amazing crosshair placement in the pro scene.But NiKo and fucking cold are tied, don't bring in crosshair placement just because you don't care about others and don't give credit to others.
2017-11-24 17:10
#121
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Nope niko>cold Niko has better pistols,awp,rifles Cold has better positioning and crosshair placement because he plays easier role. Cold with no igl like fallen would be 10-15 in world rankings as a player but niko with nobody on mouz and being their igl was easily top 5 player. Case closed.
2017-11-24 17:46
#137
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
and thats why Fallen is the best IGL in the world. And thats why cold is better than Niko. Case closed. 2 majors MVP isnt for everybody.
2017-11-24 18:00
#139
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
So now we are talking about 2016 ? Ok Get right is still the best because he was in 2014. But sadly its now 2017 problem is you will get this reply after 1 year.
2017-11-24 18:05
#140
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
Ok lets talk about 2017 majors. Did niko perform any where near cold on the BIGGEST csgo tournaments ?
2017-11-24 18:07
#144
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Big events ratings in 2017 only 2017 so all big ones. Niko rating 2.0 is 1.24 btw highest in whole scene. Cold rating 2.0 is 1.23 2 different roles niko more agressive and for half of the year he had a worse team than sk And there were only 2 majors and if you want to count that then for example adren is 3rd s1mple 2nd. Yeah in 2 majors cold did better but sk only won big events so counting those would make sense ? Unless sk had won a major in 2017 (in one of them they were favorites) i will only count 1 major for niko this year that being pgl major because mouz is ass Yeah Sk were more superior than Faze in pgl and cold had 2 highest rating. Niko maybe could have dont better but if you lose 3 games with rating of 1.12 its not particulary bad when you consider that kio,karrigan were 2 of the 3 lowest rated players. So sk 0 majors and faze 0 in 2017 so im only basing rankings of the things that teams win. And my point that sk has more talent is true because fallen,fer also got mvps. But niko had the most insane tournament in like 2-3 years and that was Esl Ny and yes rain also got mvp so niko had help but for 6 months cold had a more superior team and that is fact you cant deny that.
2017-11-24 18:17
#145
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
ranking doesnt mean any thing. Look at simple. sick ranking but his team dont win any thing. DOnt get me wrong HES GOOD ASF but not good enough to carry. cold dont need to carry SK and Niko doesnt have to carry FaZe. BUT OVERALL player theres no tough cold is better. Niko mental state is weak. If you see when Faze is losing badly most of the times hes not doing good. meanwhile if SK is losing badly cold still has the same mentality.
2017-11-24 18:19
#150
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
How can you prove the mentality argument ? Where niko was yelling shut up to his teammates ? It was because they were arguing about the last round like kids. And after he got to faze that thing vanished believe me when you are in a shit team for more than a year you will be mad because when you carry every single game and you still lose eventually you will be mad. Navi was trash because of seized simple played in both majors like the best player but there is a full year so it doesnt matter. Niko in terms of skill is better than cold but is cold bad at skill ? Hell no he is elite but niko is better. If we talk about different things like supporting or lurking then cold is better. Awp/Pistols are better for niko. And im trying not to be biased here also maybe colds movement is a little bit better but if situation is where both players see enemy on their screen then niko is more superior.
2017-11-24 18:24
#156
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
didnt you watch EPICENTER and IEM ? Most times every time its a close game he just looks like he hates every body. hes like a better version of happy.
2017-11-24 18:36
#158
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
"looks" but i mean his actions. Coldzera never said shut up to his fans or posted publicaly about other pro that he "doesnt know basics of the cs"
2017-11-24 18:47
#161
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
ingame and offgame is completely different. simple fighting some one offgame or having an argument doesnt mean hes a bad team mate. + ''to his fans'' that person probably said something bad towards him and fans dont do that. something is saying shut up to your team mates INGAME and in a tournament ON LAN. another thing is saying is hard to play with some one that doesnt knwo the basics of cs in social media. he never said any names or pointed any fingers. that can mean 100things.
2017-11-24 18:51
#165
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
He said his teammate after they got 16-0 by renegades and then apologised to showtime so it was pretty clear to whom he was sending that message. After the shut up yelling mouz started wining rounds because the atmosphere was quiet and you could focus. And you said fighting off game doesnt mean he is a bad teammate yeah okay sure dude.
2017-11-24 19:10
#191
paz | 
Turkey ertanrex 
omg lolololololololololoololo gr8 b8
2017-11-24 21:10
#26
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Brazil rmarques 
"Clutching - both are different styles, so tied, NiKo does the unexpected but he also plays clever sometimes, cold is the exact opposite - he plays clever and sometimes does unexpected things." I can remember 2 cold's clutch beating Niko... (Overpass)
2017-11-24 16:51
#27
fer | 
Brazil mettchix 
"Aim - NiKo, not by far tho" haha youtube.com/watch?v=C-vPGFvBl_w i mean niko is really good maybe top 2 but against cold there's not battle
2017-11-24 16:53
He is better at aiming, he pulled out 2 Deagle aces, and the Deagle is one of the hardest guns to play with and it requires so much aim, also NiKo gets 1 taps, while cold rarely does that.
2017-11-24 17:01
#45
coldzera | 
Brazil Heus 
Lucas1 had a lot of more kills than niko with Deagle HS, Lucas1 have a better aim so? what a shit man
2017-11-24 17:04
cold is definitely top1 this year since he is the most all-around player and got more achievements but you have to admit that NiKo has the most insane aim in the game, no doubt about it.
2017-11-24 17:46
+1 I agree.
2017-11-26 23:40
#123
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
2017-11-24 17:47
#242
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
thats reaction?
2017-11-26 23:32
as a sk haters, i'd say COLD is better than niko. he literally carried the team even when his team cant do shit against top team, while NIKO sometimes carried by rain but rain didnt get much credit prob because of consistency and if we count the achievements, COLD has more achievements than NIKO this year. so COLD > NIKO
2017-11-24 16:53
#32
fnx | 
Brazil Sunsh1ro 
Is it so hard to admit that coldzera is the best by far? maaaan
2017-11-24 16:58
Did i say NiKo is better? No, i just compared them...
2017-11-24 17:00
#43
fer | 
Brazil mettchix 
You're right dude , but you said Who do you think is better? and we are just giving our opinion
2017-11-24 17:04
The only one who gave me decent opinions not hating on the other player are people that are not Brazilian, everyone of you got triggered because i said that NiKo's aim is better than cold's.
2017-11-24 17:05
#100
fnx | 
Brazil Sunsh1ro 
You guys give reason for this. I guess it is hard to admit because cold come from SA and not NA/EU (I'm not talking about you but another guys). both are amazing player but pls... Niko still has to improve a lot to reach Cold skills I'm done with thread like this. (btw I'm not being rude with u man)
2017-11-24 17:31
#41
coldzera | 
Brazil Heus 
niko's aim better than cold? wtf i dont read this
2017-11-24 17:02
Yes, NiKo hits more 1 taps/juan deags, while cold rarely even goes for them.Don't get fucking triggered, cold is better than NiKo, but don't act like fucking cold is GOD AT EVERYTHING.
2017-11-24 17:04
#52
coldzera | 
Brazil Heus 
Lucas1 had a lot more kills in his carrer than niko, so lucas1 > niko? there's no sense what you said, cold almost dont play with DEAGLE. Cold use CZ almost all the time while niko always buy a DEAGLE
2017-11-24 17:07
But you get triggered because i said that, Deagle takes more skill than CZ, it requires more aim. Don't act like COLD is the best at everything, show some fucking respect to NiKo, at least give him some credit.
2017-11-24 17:09
#80
coldzera | 
Brazil Heus 
he is a great player, but comparing with cold, he is not even close, cold ALWAYS in the TOP of sk players, always positive, never get carried, cold plays with AK, M4, AWP, CZ and DEAGLE perfectly. Niko sometimes get carried by rain, niko not always keeps positive. there fucking no sense to say that, really no sense
2017-11-24 17:15
<3 coldzera
2017-11-24 17:48
#56
fer | 
Brazil mettchix 
niko is really better at 1 taps and deags , but cold play very well with cz and usp so i don't think niko is better at pistols , and aim too , don't be mad cuz i'm disagreed
2017-11-24 17:08
#243
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Niko is a better pistol round player.
2017-11-26 23:32
#58
coldzera | 
Brazil Heus 
youtu.be/9AdJiDQD9gE?t=220 just take a look at this time there's no sense to say that niko have a better aim than cold
2017-11-24 17:08
#244
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
youtube.com/watch?v=EPEA76biD_s watch the whole video if your bias isnt holding you back
2017-11-26 23:34
#245
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
youtube.com/watch?v=EPEA76biD_s from 1:48 to 2:20 is insane 2:59 to 3:30 8:02 is orgasm if after watching these you think cold has better aim you are clearly biased. Cold might be the better overall player, but Niko is incomparable in terms of aim in t1 scene rn
2017-11-26 23:43
#47
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India php_developer 
It's like comparing CR7 to Messi, CR7 has been in a slump lately but we all know he's way better than Leo
2017-11-24 17:05
That's not true at all, first of all i don't follow football, second of all cold wasn't in a big slump ever, and he is not WAY BETTER than NiKo.
2017-11-24 17:06
#51
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India php_developer 
That's why mouse is doing much better without him lol
2017-11-24 17:07
Ofc they are gonna do better, when they get fucking carried how can they play good? They can't, so?
2017-11-24 17:08
#57
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India php_developer 
Well done.
2017-11-24 17:08
#130
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Brazil rmarques 
Leo Messi >>> Cr7
2017-11-24 17:52
This year maybe, but overall CR7 is the best by a mile
2017-11-24 17:54
#133
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Brazil rmarques 
No, certainly not.
2017-11-24 17:54
#134
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Brazil rmarques 
imo
2017-11-24 17:54
I guess you haven't watched football all these years then.
2017-11-24 17:55
#136
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Brazil rmarques 
Its one thing I have done the most. :D
2017-11-24 17:56
#151
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Portugal rayNeen 
CR7 made Neymar :D
2017-11-24 18:24
cold>NiKo easy Cold is more than niko in this year and also how "plus+", cold with sk won 2 grand finals againts FaZe, more tournaments in this year with his team, and more mvps COLDZERA MVP EPICENTER MOSCOW 2017 COLDZERA MVP ZOWIE IEM SYDNEY 2017 (and best player in the grand final against FaZe with NiKo) COLDZERA MVP CS_SUMMIT (Tier 2 event) COLDZERA MVP DH OPEN SUMMER (maybe tier 1.5 event, but the grand final was against fnatic, so ... ) NiKo MVP ESL ONE NEW YORK 2017 NiKo MVP ZOWIE SL I-League SS S3 FINALS (Tier 2 event on cs go, maybe in Dota it's tier 1/1.5) Coldzera with SK 2017: Epicenter moscow, iem sydney, cs_summit, dh open summer, esl cologne 2017, esc season 3, 4th place on eleague major, 2nd place DH MASTER Las vegas 2017 (big tournament) NiKo with FaZe 2017: ESL NEW YORK 2017, Starleadder S3 finals, Eleague Premier 2017 (2nd place esc season 3 against sk, 2nd place iem sydney against sk and 2nd place against NiP on iem oakland) :)
2017-11-24 17:05
I respect your opinion, but IEM Sydney is still kind of tier1.5/2.
2017-11-24 17:07
#69
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Brazil coldzao 
then IEM Oakland too, eh whats the deal NiP just won a t2 event, they arent back
2017-11-24 17:13
SO IEM OAKLAND IS TIER2 CAUSE SK DIDN'T WIN IT?
2017-11-24 17:14
#76
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Brazil coldzao 
no because you said IEM Sydney is tier2, its same shit
2017-11-24 17:15
IEM sydney was a way smaller event...
2017-11-24 17:15
Maybe it was a smaller event, but it had the 3 top teams in the time, AST,Faze and SK. And people say EPL S5 is tier1 and didnt have AST and Faze.
2017-11-27 01:13
#186
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United States ItsImpact 
2nd place at Katowice also
2017-11-24 21:08
#55
MiKe | 
Canada Zoey 
coldzera by far, no contest /closed
2017-11-24 17:08
not by far
2017-11-24 17:09
#62
MiKe | 
Canada Zoey 
I know what niko can do, he should do it more often though ;)
2017-11-24 17:10
niko wasn't even best player of his team, how is he being best of 2017?
2017-11-24 17:10
won't even argue with you
2017-11-24 17:11
well if you can't see rain was better than niko this year, don't.
2017-11-24 17:11
Show me how, mate, FaZe without NiKo was nothing, as NiKo joined they started doing good shit, how is rain better? Yes, FaZe without rain wouldn't work as good but realize it.
2017-11-24 17:12
lol nice logic, so what was niko doing in mouz without rain? same logic as yours.
2017-11-24 17:13
#65
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Brazil coldzao 
NiKo in clutch = bunnyhop with knife in site try to noscope and die like headless chicken, he just gives up instantly, what do you expect from rager kid ive never seen him winning clutches lol when i watch coldzera movie i see 1v4 1v3 1v4 1v3 when i watch niko's movie i see none of these
2017-11-24 17:11
Ok, then just say "COLDTOP1" and don't give credit to others, raise your ego because your player is the best, go.
2017-11-24 17:13
#74
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Brazil coldzao 
no i read his post and hes saying clutches different styles etc etc , niko never try to win clutches i swear bro, no hate on him but next time keep an eye on it, when hes alone hes not trying to identify enemies positions first and then kill, he just rush into the site but it never works
2017-11-24 17:14
won't argue, with Brazilians, not understandable.
2017-11-24 17:15
#77
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Brazil coldzao 
NiKo never win clutches. period
2017-11-24 17:15
#86
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Brazil coldzao 
2015...... and hows 3rd video a clutch?
2017-11-24 17:19
Wasn't a clutch, but he was alone on site.
2017-11-24 17:19
#90
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Brazil coldzao 
2nd video is good but actually i didnt mention but when i was writing i was thinking about cluthces as CT, ofc he can protect bomb but as CT on retakes he gives up instantly
2017-11-24 17:20
Also why do SK fans bring in "COLD 2X MAJOR MVP" when it was in 2016, then i can bring in this. Also NiKo is still a young player.He has more potential than cold, NiKo hasn't even hit his prime yet.
2017-11-24 17:20
#94
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Brazil coldzao 
lol coldzera is young too, but i think mouz NiKo > FaZe NiKo, maybe hes prime already gone, because he feels more relaxed in this team, he rarely top frags in this team
2017-11-24 17:22
#81
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Norway billson 
You are recently biased. If you look at all 2017 coldzera is #1 hands down.
2017-11-24 17:17
Did i say that NiKo is top1? No, i just compared them.
2017-11-24 17:17
#84
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Netherlands CuriosityNL 
Coldzera is the best player in the world for sure. No one is even close lel.
2017-11-24 17:18
#89
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Europe Vallon 
-1
2017-11-24 17:19
#95
coldzera | 
Brazil Heus 
+10000
2017-11-24 17:23
#85
coldzera | 
Brazil Heus 
you just make this point to put your opinion that niko is better than cold, but everyone knows that this is not true. And if you compare with the stats of the 2 players, niko get rekt
2017-11-24 17:18
DID I SAY THAT NIKO IS BETTER THAN COLD? CAN U READ?
2017-11-24 17:21
#87
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Europe Vallon 
NiKo > coldzera, imo.
2017-11-24 17:19
Coldzera > NiKo dont cry pls
2017-11-24 17:25
#97
swag | 
Germany Jostra 
Why do people compare a player from this planet with coldzera who is totally from a different universe.Im a G2 fan , but Niko is not even the best player in Faze rofl He is not a good clutcher like cold, cold is much better at awping , cold is performing well on big events meanwhile Niko is having mostly good games against tier 2 teams.Niko is good but he is not even close to Coldzera , not even to S1mple if it comes to individual skill and firepower.
2017-11-24 17:26
#106
fnx | 
Brazil Sunsh1ro 
+1000000
2017-11-24 17:38
Sounds like a retarded bait, but whatever. I'll bite. hltv.org/stats/players/career/9216/coldz.. hltv.org/stats/players/career/3741/NiKo NiKo is 1.17 on overall 2017 and 1.18 on LAN. Cold is not only the only player to have +1.20 stats, he's also FAR above the second place, and he's been the best rated player for the past four majors, averaging a 1.37 rating for the past two years. NiKo can make all the flashy plays he wants, but at the end of the day cold, fer and kennyS all have more impact than he does
2017-11-24 17:26
#153
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Portugal rayNeen 
We just can count 2 majors but you re 100% right
2017-11-24 18:32
I think Cold and Niko are pretty much even in terms of skill, cold has looked better with a better team around him for the most part of the year, however that has changed since faze last roster changes. But h0bbit will wipe the floor with both of them next year :)
2017-11-24 17:35
coldzera miles away on top1 =p not even close LMAOO
2017-11-24 17:40
#110
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Sweden Alkob 
wtf who cares? REZ and f0rest are the best players in the world at the moment
2017-11-24 17:41
cold will be first from whole year...
2017-11-24 17:42
REZ top 1
2017-11-24 17:43
We have discussed this together already so I will be more quiet:D but still that clutching, yes, different styles but you cannot compare this, its about win rate, which cold has 2nd best (after Xyp9x) + cold has 2nd most clutches behind FalleN (if im not mistaknes) so that talks for everything And i wouldnt say NiKo better pistols BY FAR, yes, he has better pistols, but look at colds deagle, at colds pistol rounds, NiKo is better pistol player but its pretty close, because cold is one of the best aimers in the world whatever people say, his xhair positioning, his muscle memory, he is the most complete player in the world. He can even entry, you dont see it very often, but he can, he wins most of his 1v1 entry battles - even on rifles (for the "eco frags haters")
2017-11-24 17:44
#124
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Denmark ShakeNN 
+100000000
2017-11-24 17:47
#126
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
2017-11-24 17:48
#127
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World shield12345 
Achievements:coldzera ( more consistency ) Game Sense:coldzera Pistols:NiKo Aim:NiKo Clutch situations:coldzera Awping:coldzera Consistency:coldzera Stats:coldzera
2017-11-24 17:50
niko has more impactfull frags
2017-11-24 17:50
rain > cold > niko
2017-11-24 17:53
#152
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Portugal rayNeen 
+1
2017-11-24 18:31
#138
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Brazil rmarques 
Achievements: coldzera >>> NiKo Game Sense: coldzera >> NiKo Pistols: NiKo > coldzera Aim: NiKo > coldzera Clutch situations: coldzera > NiKo Awping: coldzera >>> NiKo Consistency: coldzera >> NiKo Stats: coldzera >> NiKo imo: Cold 1st, NiKo 2nd. ______ Edit: Career wise, not only 2017.
2017-11-24 18:07
#141
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Other cscrmn1 
Consistancy: Cold by a solid mile. It's what characterizes him best. About everything else it seems accurate to me except Cold's clutch potential is for me far better than NiKo's as well.
2017-11-24 18:11
#143
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Croatia mds818 
Aim - Niko Gamesense - both tied yes,rather going with the cold no...(if its a tie its a tie and its not like cold outplays people....) Clutching - argubly cold AWPing - niko Pistols - NiKo Consistency - coldzera Stats - well cold but its a little bit meh,cold is having consistant 1.22 while niko is going from 1.15-1.3(sort to say not meaning those exact numbers) In terms of achievements-i don't have a clue Who do you think is better? Niko imo niko is overall better player however you're comparing two players who're pretty much the same while the difference being is that niko never passed a group stage on the major which i am not nessesary counting as something most important as i am also not counting cold's jumping 4k as an achivment but its worth mentioning both,the reason why im putting niko ahead is because he's capable of igling and still fragging while cold is being "supportive" igl from time to time.
2017-11-24 18:13
#147
fnx | 
Brazil frkP|NTC 
2016: Cold 2017: Cold 2018: TACO
2017-11-24 18:23
#148
fnx | 
Brazil frkP|NTC 
+1
2017-11-24 18:23
#154
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Portugal rayNeen 
+2
2017-11-24 18:33
"Stats - Both are insane" Sigh, and I thought this was actually gonna be a semi-interesting, semi-decent analysis, coupled with stats you can easily just fucking look up on this very same site, but it's just some useless nerd saying "Yeah, both are pretty good, one can do some things better than the other". Yawn.
2017-11-24 18:43
#159
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Hungary Tschonti 
Cold is better at clutching for sure
2017-11-24 18:48
REPORTED NO HUNDEN
2017-11-24 18:50
cold is like messi he has a great team which effect his stats.Niko is like ronaldo always needs to carry in mouse - faze. cold likes ecofragging btw
2017-11-24 18:58
#166
coldzera | 
Brazil Heus 
WTF? WHAT THE FUCK DID U SAY
2017-11-24 19:28
COLDDDD
2017-11-24 20:50
hm i don't know , they are both great players but i will say NiKo , he has the better aim at almost every weapon , they are both good in clutches. coldzera is great as well , he maybe has a better game sense , but niko is smart as well. In terms of stats niko is has the best stats overall in 2017 and last 3 months , and being an entry is hard as well. coldzera has a lot of frags on exit/eco and a personal decoy (TACO). Cold seems to me more like a K/D player than an actually impactful player , only guy that i give a lot of credits from SK is Fallen because he saves SK's ass everytime in importants rounds , guess he turns that hardwork.exe :) , jk.
2017-11-24 21:06
#185
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Brazil bedao2k 
stopped reading here: Consistency - coldzera, not by far how so? niko is NOT even consistent while cold is the most consistent player that ever existed in csgo.
2017-11-24 21:08
#190
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Finland kasperr272 
its not by far actually
2017-11-24 21:10
#193
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Brazil bedao2k 
how? why? cold is +20 even when sk lose niko has a lot of negative stats wtf u talking about?!
2017-11-24 21:13
#195
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Finland kasperr272 
cold is not +20 expect maybe in 1 of 30 games
2017-11-24 21:14
#201
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Brazil bedao2k 
hltv.org/stats/players/events/9216/coldz.. hltv.org/stats/players/events/3741/NiKo cold has a lot of +100 events, while niko has 1. cold has 2 negative events EVER niko has a lot you cant compare cold to no one in terms of consistency
2017-11-24 21:19
#202
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Finland kasperr272 
ofc niko has many because he played in mouz when they were bad af
2017-11-24 21:20
#207
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Brazil bedao2k 
thats not coldzera's fault the fact is that cold is waaaaaay more consistent, BY FAR.
2017-11-24 21:23
#228
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Sri Lanka 1v1meRust 
yeah nice point, coldzera was part of luminosity when they had steel and boltz they were shit, never beat a good team in a bo3 and cold always had positive stats.
2017-11-25 09:32
#187
boltz | 
Brazil fujikow 
i think both of them are the best players atm but i cant choose one because they could easily fit together
2017-11-24 21:09
its pretty easy. Coldzera has been performing much much much better on major o he is the best player 2017 . But i agree in every other aspect they are pretty even
2017-11-24 21:10
#189
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Finland kasperr272 
coldzera has better aim
2017-11-24 21:10
both are great teambaiters and play their roles well... outside of their roles, niko is far more versatile.
2017-11-24 21:21
cold NiKo chokes sometimes, he needs to work on his emotional side, I lost count of times the camera man recorded NiKo after a round and he is feeling the pressure of a round lost or a tight game, despite this they are very similar in a lot of ways.
2017-11-24 21:26
#210
JW | 
Sweden FaZeKennyS 
Aim - NiKo Gamesense - cold Clutching - cold AWPing - cold Pistols - NiKo Consistency - coldzera Stats - cold cold #1 NiKo #2 NiKo is just 19 or 20 y/o he is probably gonna become one of the best in history but not right now
2017-11-24 21:28
#214
dennis | 
Denmark Pobbel 
you're ridiculous mate. the best player is SIXER by far
2017-11-24 21:28
Sexer top 1
2017-11-27 17:20
#218
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North America mandog89 
niko can join any team and fuk shit up and be atleast top 5. Cold can do the same but his stats will fall of and he will be top 8 player .
2017-11-25 06:42
#221
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United States ViKaLiBuR 
Twistzz easy.
2017-11-25 07:25
#224
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Brazil Roufas 
Problem with niko is that it seems he falls easily under pressure.
2017-11-25 07:53
I can't believe how retarded people can be. It might seem to be a cool question trying to determine who is the best. But the truth is that there are multiple aspects to be considered since it is a f'ing team sport. Most people in here are silvers who never played in a team seriously/competitively. Have you ever played with bad people on your team and compared your match with another one where you had good mates? To translate this to the above mentioned retards, if your team overall performs bad, you will not play your best - in fact, this already makes the question become redundant. By the way, have you every tried to switch your role from lurking to entry fragging? Did you notice any impact on your statistics? I mean, comparing achievement...by doing that, like what in the actual f*ck is the expressiveness in terms of how good an individual player is compared to another one? To find out exactly who has better abilities, you would have to setup both player under the exact same conditions/environment etc. This will never happen. Seriously this topic is massively useless but entertaining to share each others thoughts. Also fun to see brazilians go mad at people claiming Niko > Coldzera Btw Niko > coldzera LUL
2017-11-25 08:01
cold
2017-11-25 09:33
#232
Xyp9x | 
Poland Az1m 
Cold > Niko In every possible way
2017-11-26 21:46
niko achieved more than cold ??
2017-11-26 21:47
Well in terms of winnings no, but in terms of finals and else then yes.
2017-11-26 23:04
i don t want to be mean but if i asked u who won champions league in 1989 u would maybe know it was Team A no one remember seconds plus maybe he went more finals than cold but cold won more
2017-11-26 23:06
Doesn't matter, we'll see who is gonna be.
2017-11-26 23:13
Also i didn't say that NiKo is #1, i would much rather give it to cold.
2017-11-26 23:13
#239
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Brazil maximoff66 
Niko achieved more? U must be kidding.
2017-11-26 23:26
In winnings no, in everything combined then YES.And also i didn't say that NiKo is better, and the only people that get mad are Brazilians on this thread.
2017-11-26 23:39
Retard??
2017-11-26 23:44
is that you?
2017-11-26 23:46
#257
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Brazil maximoff66 
Who the fuck cares about second places wtf,it should be a argument if they were both with same amount of first place, other than that, it doesn't matter at all.Everything combined cold achieved more, because 1s place count WAY more than second
2017-11-27 01:04
talk about tittles and hard carrying on important matches
2017-11-26 23:30
#247
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Finland raivokkuus 
cold is better but holy shit it's insane seeing all of these biased Brazilians commenting lol. I kinda agree with what you wrote OP - I'd say coldzera is more than a "little" consistent, but at the same time, the team is set up much more around him, so it's less impressive. Overall, I'd say cold but it's still close enough that the last few events of the year could make a difference. Keep in mind that fer was SK's best player at the start of the year.
2017-11-26 23:40
Yes, i agree, i also really hate that Brazilians get mad when someone says that COLD is not PERFECT. Like come on, NiKo has better aim than cold, but they get triggered, they also get triggered cause i said that NiKo achieved more than cold. If we look at it, he really did, he didn't win as much, but he did achieve more finals and when SK didn't perform, there was always FaZe in semis/finals/champions.
2017-11-26 23:42
#255
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Finland raivokkuus 
He's far from perfect. He was really underwhelming at the BLAST Pro Series, and he'd have barely finished with a 1.00 rating if it wasn't for the 16-3 against NiP. He's a great player though, and arguably the best ever in GO, but he definitely has other contenders for the #1 spot.
2017-11-27 00:30
Pistols Coldzera, deagle Niko Rifles Coldzera Awper Coldzera Consistency Coldzera Rating Coldzera
2017-11-26 23:43
AHAHAHAHA Worst argument ever Pistols - NiKo Deagle - NiKo CZ - Cold AWPer - cold Consistency - cold Who cares at rating tbh? Clutches - Different styles Aim - NiKo Also NiKo gets more points because he is a young talent, while cold isn't.
2017-11-26 23:47
hltv.org/stats?startDate=2017-08-26&endD.. Not to mention that NiKo is the entry-fragger for FaZe, by far the riskier and more difficult role between it and support. Now that NiKo has a solid team (since this latest iteration of the FaZe roster, hence the filters 'big events' and 'last three months') to support his incredible performances, it's clear, if it wasn't already, who is the better player. But the cold, hard stats mean nothing to most of you, so I won't press the issue, if you want to continue deluding yourselves.
2017-11-27 00:26
Maybe for you he is better in the last 3 months but what really matters is whos the best of 2017 :) and we all know who it will be :>
2017-11-27 01:24
There are still two big tournaments to go this year. I expect FaZe to do very well at both of them. We will see from there; contrary to your opinion, no one knows how the year will pan out. But, yes, in my opinion, which I've at least corroborated with the aforementioned stats, for the last three months NiKo has been the best player in the world, since the inception of this new FaZe roster. cold has done better over the year as a whole (which, again, is not over yet), but that's largely been down to the fact that he's had a stable top-tier team to operate under -- something NiKo has only had for, again, the last three months. So it is the conclusion of this humble poster that, so long as this trend continues, it is clear who is the best player: NiKo; and, again, that's not taking into account the fact that NiKo is entry-fragging, not playing a support role with someone like TACO for a dedicated baiter.
2017-11-27 01:42
1.Who gives a fuck if hes entrying? that does not matter for HLTV. 2. "that he's had a stable top-tier team to operate under -- something NiKo has only had for, again, the last three months" REALLY DUDE? Faze were always finalists with kio and allu, you saying that is just dumb 3. I agree the year is not over, niko can get the #1 ofc, but I highly doubt it, since HLTV gives a lot of importance to majors, and niko/faze was a joke in them. (1.05 EL, 1.12 PGL, while cold 1.28 EL, 1.40 PGL) im sorry but i dont think niko can compete with that.
2017-11-27 01:47
1. HLTV does weigh entry-frags, actually. 2. Until this latest inception of FaZe, NiKo has not had a team which can match up pound for pound with SK.* Is that more acceptable? 3. FaZe were the first team to be exploited by the jump-bug at the PGL Major. That was instrumental in their disappointing run; moreover, that was the previous iteration of the FaZe roster, which, again, although very capable of making deep runs, I always felt was lacking ; prior to that NiKo's last major was with Mouz -- I don't think I need to elaborate on that point.
2017-11-27 01:59
1. Ok fair enough, though its already credited in the rating 2.0. 2. Yes they were lol, look at the games it was always close games, SK were just better 3. Please stop with that bug excuse, They lost to 3 trash teams. (It was a bad tournament for faze, it happens) but in the end, they all count.
2017-11-27 02:01
1. Settled. 2. I can't address this point without indirectly offending your bias towards SK, and I'd rather keep this discussion as clean as it has been thus far. 3. Watch the game again. Look at how patently confused rain is when he's coming under fire from banana and pit -- it's clearly the first time they'd encountered the bug, because they had utterly no response to it. Can you imagine how tilting it would be dropping a map due to an exploit in a Bo1 group-stage format?
2017-11-27 02:10
1. Settled. 2. I can't address this point without indirectly offending your bias towards Faze and niko, and I'd rather keep this discussion as clean as it has been thus far. 3.Please cmon thats no excuse, yes i hate big, but dude they lost against mouz and f3...
2017-11-27 02:13
2. My bias towards NiKo being the best player in the world for the last three months is informed utterly by the statistics. 3. (A) The last iteration of the FaZe roster was inferior in every which way to this latest iteration and (B) the bug exploit was an illegitimate loss however which way you look at it -- thus valve patched it immediately after the major -- and it is conceivable to imagine the tournament panning out very differently for them if it never occurred and if that loss hadn't weighed so heavily over them for the rest of the event thereafter. Can you honestly disagree with any of that?
2017-11-27 02:21
Alright dude, they lost to mouz and f3 because they got emotionally devastated bc of the BUG, you won. Also kio> olof. bye
2017-11-27 02:24
Well, at least you tried to have a civil discussion, I'll grant you that, even if you couldn't concede the impact of the jump-bug on the inferior iteration of FaZe's run at the PGL Major; and even if you don't weigh the importance of having a strong team around you so that individuals like cold and NiKo can shine; and even if you won't concede the difficulties an entry-fragger faces, and the kind of impact those frags have on the game over the supporting roles. So thanks for that. Of course, the rage-bye let you down a bit. But I'm willing to let that slide. That is, it doesn't weigh that highly on my idiot-rating. All in all, I was rather please with how this interaction played out; it could have gone a lot worse -- just look at how the others were talking between themselves above.
2017-11-27 02:38
I agree they are all savages. great discussion thx
2017-11-27 02:43
#256
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Sweden flippig 
cold. He always shows up on lan and leads the team in the big games
2017-11-27 00:35
#259
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Brazil EnzoMiguel 
Coldzera,he is at tier1 since 2016 ,NiKo just since march i think,but NiKo is very close,i go with coldzera just because i'm a sk gaming fan
2017-11-27 01:20
#262
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Switzerland pazzo0 
''Consistency - coldzera, not by far'' are u kidding right?
2017-11-27 01:40
Niko is main awp lmao,he forced to rifler on Faze ,Niko awp would destroy Cold
2017-11-27 02:03
Hard to say, Coldzera has had more chances to plan in finals and play-offs especially 2015-2016, he has had much more help though in that FalleN is a great IGL, Fer excellent agro player etc whereas Niko was struggling away in Mouse top fragging but not often making it out of groups. Raw skill side by side I feel like I'd edge it to Niko, who does have flashier kills sometimes but Cold is super consistent and he's got great gamesense to boot.
2017-11-27 02:43
#284
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Brazil digozamaral 
I agree with but in achievements...Sk won 7 tournaments and 4 of their 7 tournaments they won against Faze and Astralis on Grand finals or semi finals...
2017-11-27 18:40
Niko achieved more? lol You mean the last major 0/3?
2017-11-27 18:44
Top Players 1- Coldzera 2- Coldzin 3- Cold 4- FerGOD 5- BadFallen ... 100- Taco 101- NiKo NoT Cry Boys :)
2017-11-27 18:46
#290
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France mythhhhhh 
Niko achieved more???? wtf SK won IEM Sydney, EPL S5, ECS S3, ESL Cologne, Epicenter, Blast and a shit torunment (USD 2.000.000). Faze won ESL NY, ELEAGUE Premier and StarLadder (USD 1.550.000).
2017-11-27 19:12
I said in achievements not in terms of winnings... They reached finals
2017-11-27 19:18
#293
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France mythhhhhh 
cold has more MVPs, and cold didnt 0-3 on major. theres no comparision, cold is better.
2017-11-27 19:19
Did i say that NiKO is better?
2017-11-27 19:21
#295
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France mythhhhhh 
no, but im saying cold is better. its my opinion :D have a nice day
2017-11-27 19:22
<3
2017-11-27 19:24
#298
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Brazil Guilherme213 
cold achieved way more than niko this year
2017-11-27 19:31
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