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World antrozzio 
I started to study a litle bit about all this fight between Israel and Palestine and I figured out that many of the problems that occur its because of the economic help of USA to Israel. That's really the problem? I mean... i know there's many others reasons, but Palestine it's just ignored by everyone. I know that many terrorist come from there, but there's good people too. There's somebody here from Israel or Palestine, I would want to know both sides, this is very complicated.
2017-12-06 17:07
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Netherlands apeklets_ 
Palestine side: "fuck the jews" Israel side: "fuck you palestina we want our country back because we owned it back in 2000 BC"
2017-12-06 17:10
#224
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World xm3w 
You might not know this, but Israel Is the one that provides electricity to Palestin, ofc they charge them for it, but that's how every county works, also most of the clean water they get comes from Israel, and a bunch of stuff like that, insted of saying "fuck Israel", do some research about all of the stuff they provide them, that are keeping them alive, Palestin is not a self sustaining country, nor is it a country at all, they're not recognized internationally as far as I know
2017-12-07 09:36
hold up... So Palestine, whos country has been there for the over 100s of years, have jews settle in there country and now Jews control there electricity? Am I missing something or is that not an example of occupation of land?
2018-01-15 04:48
#263
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World xm3w 
Yeah, you're missing the point, they're not sustainable on their own, they would have no electricity, sustainable clean water or food otherwise
2018-01-15 06:18
#2
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Israel Encryp7eD 
i'll tell you the non biased fact. it's not about money. it's because both sides claim jerusalem to be their capital (the state of israel and the palestinian side) and the announcement this evening basically ignores the palestinian side.
2017-12-06 17:11
I guess having a State is mandatory to have a capital. Oh wait.
2017-12-06 17:13
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Israel Encryp7eD 
not saying that because i'm israeli, but there's no palestinian state
2017-12-06 17:15
Exactly, u get it.
2017-12-06 17:27
#7
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Israel BoyMcFacto 
Haghahahah, stop your studies. before you get a headache
2017-12-06 17:15
I live in Brazil dude I'm used to it. My fucked up country give me headaches everyday. But I like to study this kind of things like wars and etc...
2017-12-06 17:16
#24
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Israel BoyMcFacto 
Hmm.. okay.. I will answer about the help; And its false, I have no idea what have your sources told you, but theyre getting a lot of humanitarian help. Besides that a big portion of the taxes we pay (Israel is a socialistic country so thats alot of tax money) goes to palestinians. We pay their water/gas/electricity and much more. They misuse it and they are ran by terrorist group and cant develop/establish a country because they are dependant on us. Also the US does give us money, for our military and we give them a ton of technology back.
2017-12-06 17:32
you took their land . you should leave their land and gtfo of there fucking jews . killers and stealers
2017-12-06 17:32
#40
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Israel BoyMcFacto 
Try to make sense Win a razer naga from switfy Swifty here i come!!!
2017-12-06 17:35
retarded .
2017-12-06 17:35
#44
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Israel BoyMcFacto 
Nono! Do not use the R word!
2017-12-06 17:37
you are cold inside ... piece of shit
2017-12-06 17:37
#48
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Israel BoyMcFacto 
You are very smart! Its a shame youre wasting your time on HLTV, Reddit needs people like you
2017-12-06 17:39
you still piece of shit
2017-12-06 17:40
#53
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Israel BoyMcFacto 
Thank you!
2017-12-06 17:41
gay
2017-12-06 17:42
#56
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Israel BoyMcFacto 
listen to 2+2=5
2017-12-06 17:42
im the dead kid !
2017-12-06 17:43
#58
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Israel BoyMcFacto 
Yes you are
2017-12-06 17:45
and you are the teacher
2017-12-06 17:45
#61
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Israel BoyMcFacto 
No. I do not exist
2017-12-06 17:46
no yes :)
2017-12-06 17:57
2017-12-07 12:12
Palastines are just jealous cuz Israel is richer, stronger and have sexier women. Typical desert tard immigrants claiming Jerusalem as their capitals smh Jerusalem belongs to the Hebrew, deal with it. Israel solveisraelsproblems.com/wp-content/uplo.. i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/27/14/3B.. i.pinimg.com/originals/8e/3d/02/8e3d025c.. ghanalive.tv/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/.. solveisraelsproblems.com/wp-content/uplo.. Palestine grassrootsonline.org/wp-content/uploads/..
2017-12-06 17:18
Pretty sure it has something to do with Palestinian getting genocided and abused everyday. nothing to do with jealousy.
2017-12-06 17:20
They're attacking Israel with AK47s and RPGs damn terrorists. But they're 'innocent' right ofc.
2017-12-06 17:21
because you invaded their land after the holocaust IN GERMANY YOU FUCKTARD
2017-12-06 17:38
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
why you muslims are so aggressive?
2017-12-06 17:40
waw
2017-12-06 17:42
actually we didnt invade their land.... go read a history book. it was the property of the ottoman empire.
2017-12-06 18:02
It was property of the British?
2017-12-06 18:12
it was property of the British after the ottoman empire.
2017-12-06 18:13
2017-12-07 12:12
and muslims dont?? fairly certain your kill count is higher...
2017-12-07 16:20
you are using the word ' and ' it means you know about this ... but you think that muslims do this to others ... you are wrong ... zionist never ever want peace .... they wish every moment death to all world and specially to arabs
2017-12-07 16:22
of course we know about it, hamas hide weapons on schools and hospitals... also fairly certain Hamas's covenant commands the death of all jews... if youre gonna generalise the jewish sentiment into a single extremist view, i can do the same. the only difference is that muslims actually have political doctrines commanding the death of jews... jewish people have no such thing.
2017-12-07 16:24
also the use of 'and' is to show your hypocrisy...
2017-12-07 16:24
i dont understand your logic sorry
2017-12-07 17:35
wheres the confusing part? i showed an example of muslims saying we must kills all jews, an example that is taken from the organisation representing 'palestine'... show me where jews say we must kill muslims.
2017-12-07 18:33
i have a lot of videos about killing not saying saying somthing is different than doing it lets say muslims say we want to kill you but you do the part of doing . arabs say always things but they never do shit coz they r braindead . but israiliens say we want peace but they kill kids and womens in palestine and they rape womens in the streets .... a lot of videos show me videos about muslim killing israilien guy i dont take a video about random guy hitting somone by a car and you call him muslim :)
2017-12-08 07:59
its like youre not aware of the wars that have taken place, or the suicide bombings (attempted or successful), missiles that Hamas shoots. i should've stopped speaking to you the moment you legitimately couldn't understand logic... go back to school kid (if youre older than that, im sorry you just have the brain capacity of a child evidently, since you cant even maintain a simple argument.)
2017-12-08 13:39
im not defending hamas groupes or somthing you asshole ... just look at normal people without guns getting killed by israilien millatary + they are destroying palestinians homes to build houses for israiliens + they are kidnapping kids ( 6 - 8 months babys ) and give it to israiliens familys ..... they are killing palestine so in the future no one will defend the cause
2017-12-08 18:27
you clearly know whats going on. especially considering all those reports of genocidal wishes coming from the middle east... oh wait thats the Palestinians who want to wipe all jews off the earth. or the war that was started in the 40s, oh wait that was jordan, syria and egypt who attacked the completely underdeveloped state of Israel, despite it being the property of the collapsing British empire. you know whats even funnier (despite the fact that the only claim to Israel held by the palestinians is that owned the land 500 years ago (the ottomans captured the land long before any of this happened), which is just as legitimate as the jew's claim) is that if you really are american, and hopefully stand for its ideals such as equality between sexes, religions and races. if israel ever was replaced by Palestine all you americans who supported them would do a complete 180 after realising once again we've established another dictatorship, that doesn't accept homosexuality, religious acceptance or equality between sexes, in a foreign country... seems like old habits die hard. yes, Palestinians are treated as second class citizens in Israel, but given the prevalence of terrorism in the middle east and islamic religion theres an understandable reason... imagine if america was surrounded by these countries.
2017-12-06 18:09
hmmm, yeah its disgusting how they teach kids in school that all Israelly are bad people and shit. I just watched Conan visit Israel and they seems very down to earth people.
2017-12-06 17:20
Dont know to what type of school you go, but over here they don’t teach stuff like that
2017-12-07 08:07
+1
2017-12-06 18:22
CONGRATULATIONS YOU'RE NUMBER 100 IN MY THREAD.
2017-12-06 18:23
Thank you very much for these congratulations! Means a lot!
2017-12-06 18:31
#222
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Turkey HypnoSia 
>israel > SEXY WOMEN PICK ONE
2017-12-07 07:45
Comparing 20-25 yo Ladies with 50 yo lmao
2017-12-10 14:09
Its simple. Palestinian live there very long time but balfour declaration by the Brits oust them. Then Zionists start pouring into Jerusalem. Bombings happen(early 30s), world war happened and then we got Israel. Israel logic dictates that God(even though they don't believe in Him) give them the land therefore everyone that was currently living needs to get lost. Now Palestinian people is getting abused, children getting killed by the IDF on a monthly basis but its get justified as 'they started it first' and 'she/he was trying to kill me with knives(which they place on the victims body btw) and hamas human shield lame excuses. Also they are dropping bombs on Gaza. Also orthodox jew belief is different from zionist views. and now we have this mess.
2017-12-06 17:19
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1
2017-12-06 17:20
-1
2017-12-06 17:26
yes, the mudslimes are innocent
2017-12-06 17:24
Jerusalem was always home of the Jews. Muslims genocided against them for centuries under Araps and Kebabs rules but now they're fighting back and suddenly they're the bad guys ? GJ Israel r3kt some Palastine pussy.
2017-12-06 17:27
"Muslims genocided against them for centuries" Lmfao stop pulling bullshit out of your ass.
2017-12-06 18:06
are you an idiot? jews have been periodically pushed out of the middle east... god you lot dont even know youre own history.
2017-12-06 18:10
>Middle East in general >Palestine/Israel Choose 1
2017-12-06 18:20
you know they've lived in other areas throughout history right? also, were talking about muslims not location you bloody muppet. learn to follow a train of thought.
2017-12-06 18:22
Maybe you should read his post more carefully.. He said Jerusalem.
2017-12-06 18:23
im responding to you, not him. you said muslims had not genocided israelis.
2017-12-06 18:24
Then you clearly ignored context. My reply was in the context of Jerusalem.
2017-12-06 18:24
then you misquoted
2017-12-06 18:25
Do me a favor and read #27 NOTHING is misquoted.
2017-12-06 18:27
well no, you misquoted because you left out key context and then assumed others to be knowledgeable on that context. dont be mad cus im right, better to move on, and actually try and debate on the issue youre actually upset about.
2017-12-06 18:28
"Jerusalem was always home of the Jews. Muslims genocided against them for centuries" There we go I included the context. It doesn't change anything. "dont be mad cus im right" If me leaving that tiny bit of the quote out meant that there was no context, then yes, you are right. I'm no longer responding to such low baits from you.
2017-12-06 18:31
ty much better. and tbh i would've agreed with you, cus it wasn't always the home of jews.
2017-12-06 18:32
I couldn't have misquoted because I literally used Ctrl + V
2017-12-06 18:28
#87
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Israel MemeMachine 
lol they place the knives on the victims' bodies okay, thats why security cam videos always clearly show the initial attacker, i guess they were just going for hugs and those filthy zionists shot them and then put knives on their bodies
2017-12-06 18:09
Not the first time you do this hoax. Typical IDF always killing people and creating hoax. youtube.com/watch?v=IkPvWUXAH_c murdering teenage girl youtube.com/watch?v=eG7OG5A-pOY murdering man youtube.com/watch?v=zqq4Ge8QFn0 murdering innocent boys playing football youtube.com/watch?v=Xyx_wX___Y4 IDF the 'most moral army in the world' are in fact terrorists.
2017-12-06 19:25
how to be biased and misinformed 101. leave america and go back home.
2017-12-06 18:09
Maybe look at flags more carefully before calling him biased and misinformed... lmfao
2017-12-06 18:23
do you think americans are all agreed and all look at the same news outlets... misinformation is a global phenomenon. also unlike youre countries in which everyone is deluded as a collective, people in the US choose their information outlets. doesn't mean they're all accurate. god youre so 3rd world its unbelievable
2017-12-06 18:25
"God youre so 3rd world" Nt but I live in the US and last time I checked, it's not a third world country. I was saying look at flags because I thought you assumed his Malaysian flag was an American flag. My apologies.
2017-12-06 18:26
why fake flagging?
2017-12-06 18:34
I'm not. I was born in Pakistan and live in the United States.
2017-12-06 18:35
huh, see ive always found that interesting. i dont really associate with any of the countries i can be associated with. why do you choose pakistan over america?
2017-12-06 18:38
I got annoyed of being called burger every time I would say something on this site, even if it was something smart, I'd get "nt burger" about 50% of the time
2017-12-06 18:39
+1 relating people to their flag is usually an idiotic method of resolving conflict. tbh i do it a lot, but im also a fan or insulting in general, unfortunately most people nowadays are too sensitive. last comment, is that america is truly a first world country but unless you read a wide range of newspaper articles (which no-one does) then you'll be as biased as a russian waving the USSR flag.
2017-12-06 18:42
No, I read many different types of news when I find out something. I look for extreme ends of both sides, then slightly leaning sides, then neutral sources.
2017-12-06 18:45
can you give me the lists of sites/newspapers you use? also there are no neutral sources.
2017-12-06 18:46
Philip DeFranco CNN Fox News InfoWars TyT NY Times Al Jazeerah WNPR
2017-12-06 18:48
i forgot how much i hate media. most of these are left, barring fox and cnn (neither of which can be viewed as legitimate sources of information).
2017-12-06 18:58
Young children die(shot at) on a monthly basis and man-handled by the IDF with their rifles. If this isn't terrorism to you then I don't know what is.
2017-12-06 19:27
both sides commit horrific acts. i dont avoid that. you've just completely avoided one side of the argument, that is why youre biased (closer to the truth than your original comment because it is not one-sided, you fit the dictionary definition of bias).
2017-12-06 19:51
There is no one side of argument. You can't kill someone, take his land, destroy his home and declare that there's another side of argument. The fact of the matter is, the Israelis, as you can see on this thread that constantly call Palestinians as 'terrorists' believe that GOD gave them the right to rule it and kicking people off is OKAY because GOD gave it to them. This is the zionist ideology. They do not believe in a God but believe that God gave it to them.
2017-12-06 19:55
and here is the misinformation, on top of bias you've only taken one viewpoint of the israelis. did you know there are muslims who want to wipe jews off the face of the earth, stone women, throw homosexuals out of windows and commit suicide bombings and other terrorist acts all over the world... if i use your logic thats the only section of islam in the world.
2017-12-06 19:57
check twtiter Donald Trump just recognized Jesrusalem as Israel capital omegaLUL
2017-12-06 19:58
tbh i dont really give a shit about that, its impactful on the geo-political stage but if done improperly will just enrage surrounding countries and civilians, and overall does little towards settling the deep rooted issues surrounding the israeli-palestine conflict.
2017-12-06 20:01
I don't understand this argument that muslims want to wipe jews off the face of the earth. I mean seriously, when Islam ruled Jerusalem for roughly a thousand years we could easily have destroyed the churches, the synanogues and EXILED the Jews but WE DIDN'T. I seriously don't undestand where this is coming from. Seriously, explain this to me.
2017-12-06 20:03
have you ever read hamas's covenant? also why are there over 1 million palestinians living in Israel (the sections managed by israeli government) but no israelis living in the surrouding countries...? jesus. its interesting that you dont understand that argument because ive never once heard this argument used. "The fact of the matter is, the Israelis, as you can see on this thread that constantly call Palestinians as 'terrorists' believe that GOD gave them the right to rule it and kicking people off is OKAY because GOD gave it to them. " id like to know your source, ive provided mine. (edit- my source is Hamas's covenant which declares a jihad on all jews and the complete eradication of Israel, along with the leader who declared that peace with Israel is only a step towards complete control.)
2017-12-06 20:07
See you can't answer, because its untrue and LIES. Hamas covenant? lol. You think all muslims follows hamas covenant? I don't even know about this hamas covenant. Also why are you surprised that there's Palestinians living in Israel? It's their land? So? Whats so surprising? Israel is supposed to be Palestine before it was occupied. If you even STUDIED about Islam, there's many instances where our predecessors most notably the Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. interacted with the Jews and Christians when he was alive and his companions(r.a.) also did. So again where is your argument coming from? Whos telling who to kill Jews? It's a sin to kill an innocent civillian be it jew or christian or anyone else for that matter. I don't need any source. Just scroll through how Israelis react to Jerusalem on newsfeed, its all over there. 'Jerusalem belongs to Jews 3000 years ago', 'It was our 3000 years ago', 'SOLOMON TEMPLE CAME FIRST BEFORE ARABS!!111" or something like that. Also you didn't give me any source lol, so for the sake of this discussion I'll give you mine here. aish.com/atr/Jewish_Claim_to_the_Land.ht..
2017-12-06 20:30
i gave as legitimate a source as you gave me... in fact yours is less so, it comes from a single rabbi on a website... at least my source comes from a supposedly political representative of an islamic state, and their doctrine. are you seriously this stupid or was your education so poor you dont know anything about bias, and or legitmate sources... you try to disown my source by saying "You think all muslims follows hamas covenant?", whilst thinking any legitimate number of jews agree with what some random rabbi on a website says. i think a lot more muslims follow hamas's covenant than that rabbi (you wanna compare the numbers, look at the number of members of his synagogue and look at the population of 'palestine'. my point when asking why do you think palestinians live in israel, if you had a brain to actually think something through beyond memes on internet forums. is that israelis are 100% more accepting of islam than palestinians or surrounding islamic countries. wow you've informed yourself through general information on newsfeeds.. supposedly, you cant even give any legitimate statements from them "or something like that." also you wanna talk about palestinian land?? dont make me laugh the ottomans controlled it for 500 years before the British gained control and gave it to jews. if anything you should be on your knees crying your heart out to the Israeli government for not wiping the palestinian people off the earth for attempting to usurp their rightfully given land (not the property of palestinians... the ottomans ruled you beta fucks). now please stop talking to me. i dont mind discussing this topic with people who actually know their shit. but listening to some trendy teen shout nonsense is just painful as i know their supporters of your side who are logical.
2017-12-06 21:54
yeak I know that actually just grown the Palestine anger for Trump
2017-12-06 20:08
#178
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Israel Netanjahu 
Worst bait I've ever seen on HLTV, thank you for making my day funnier :D
2017-12-06 20:05
How is this even a bait? Because its true?
2017-12-06 20:31
#193
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Israel Netanjahu 
cuz it's not true
2017-12-06 20:32
muslims = conquer the whole middle east with every single state ending up 90-100% muslim (in a peaceful way obv) jews = conquered a tiny bit of land containing their holy sights with many of the areas being jewish anyway -> muslims go on a decade long terrorist spree trying to reclaim the last remaining non-muslim bit of the middle east you can criticize israel all you want, but the mudslimes from palestine would never recognize ANY jewish state. they are brainwashed war mongers, no hope left for these people islam = war, conflicts just do some research on how many times they got thrown out of europe when they tried to enter it through conquest
2017-12-06 17:22
#140
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Switzerland Yabbahh 
Lmao your brain really is limited.. wouldn't you fight to get your country back.. israel is a country in stolen land from palestine... To give you a little example so ur tiny brain can understand.. imagine some random city in ur country decided to become independent (new language new currency) and if not to make things worse calls the original owners of ur country terrorists when they wage war in attempt to get whats theirs by right...... now imagine that little city because it got helped by other jews... i mean powerful countries gets funds and starts slowly with their help invading further into ur country... thats whats happening right now... Think and learn before spewimg random crap.. the major people at fault are the US who sticked their nose into what's not their problem and the jews who are greedy
2017-12-06 18:39
+1
2017-12-06 19:12
#19
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
Since jews are ancient as fck its understandable. However i have not carried out "deep" research, might dig later, i just wanna know if this picture is a gospel truth(found it on twitter): pbs.twimg.com/media/DQXIZxGXcAAugd5.jpg
2017-12-06 17:21
+1 ISRAEL BELONGS TO THE JEWS
2017-12-06 19:12
#180
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Israel Netanjahu 
Yup, that's why I love you George :)
2017-12-06 20:06
Jerusalem is the most important holy city for the 3 religion judaism, christianism and islam they all want to claim this city because of wailing wall, crucifixion and al-aqsa mosque. jews used to control this city thousands years ago and they want it back this the reason of conflict and war
2017-12-06 17:29
Palestina hasn't been recognised as a real country tho by many states :)
2017-12-06 17:32
because it would end up being another 3rd world terrorist country
2017-12-06 17:33
maybe, but the UK didn't want to make palestina great again so they gave the land back to the jews
2017-12-06 17:35
#46
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Poland B4R73K 
Jews are really evil people condolences to Palestine
2017-12-06 17:37
#49
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Romania StephanB 
Israel is a containment chamber for Khazar zionist. It prevents them from going full fucktard like the jews in the US & Europe did. The dammage did to Palestinians dosen't outweight the reward of containing the crazy Shekelbergs withing the borders of Israel. Do you want them to move to Europe and demand (more) multi culti sjw shit?
2017-12-06 17:39
#92
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Israel MemeMachine 
+1 its best that we stay there instead of ruining ur continent more than its already ruined ayy lmao
2017-12-06 18:11
free palestine
2017-12-06 17:46
#70
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Netherlands Deji 
imgur.com/a/KxZFH explain me now jews
2017-12-06 17:51
Seriously,stop studying about it.this conflict has no answer because both sides hate each other.... i hate palestine because of many reasons but i dont think there are only bad people there.... it might be because USA help us but how can they help them exactly... they would be giving the money straight to a terrorist organisation. One of our presidents once said that there will only be peace when they will love their kids more then they hate us.
2017-12-06 17:53
that's sad.
2017-12-06 17:55
+9999
2017-12-07 09:49
israel shouldnt be on the map.
2017-12-06 17:55
#78
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Europe Pl4yed 
The problem is the israelis didn't deal with it when they should have, every other nation in history would've already obliterated the opposing side into nothing... I mean if the arabs would've won there wouldn't even be an issue nowadays, the softness of the Israelis allowed this situation to develop
2017-12-06 18:01
#81
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Switzerland Yabbahh 
There is no problem OP.... the only issue is that israel shouldn't exist as their country's labd was basically stolen from palestine... but because the jews had US support palestine is seen has the bad guy.
2017-12-06 18:03
There was a vote in the UN in 1948 and they decided in favor of an israeli state.
2017-12-06 18:07
lol no such thing as Palestine existed before 1948
2017-12-06 18:26
#158
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Switzerland Yabbahh 
In modern times, Palestine came before Israel altho..... During its existence it was known simply as Palestine, but, in retrospect, as distinguishers, a variety of other names and descriptors including Mandatory or Mandate Palestine, also British Palestine and the British Mandate of Palestine, have been used to refer to it. It was an entity with its own courts, its own postal service, its own money. If you go back to historical times, you will see that various different terms have been used for the region, most of them being variations of the word Philistine or Palestine Looking at ancient history it is hard to claim anything definitely, since it cannot be ascertained outside religious text that certain identities as we know them today existed and were reflected on the identity and name of a political entity in the region. :)
2017-12-06 19:11
Both sides believe they should own it. IMO they should both work together and be peaceful and form one state that is not Jewish or Muslim.. Just one Abrahamic state where everyone lives together peacefully
2017-12-06 18:04
#85
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Europe Pl4yed 
One side already owns it for 70 years pretty sure, never heard of any nation in history giving up their country willingly when they ruled it... So no, that scenario will never happen, eventually they will just settle for making another arab state inside modern palestine and that's about it
2017-12-06 18:09
I'm not saying what's likely, I'm just saying what would be a best case scenario but I don't see it ending anytime soon.
2017-12-06 18:10
#94
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Israel TheLoveGuy 
Tbh, idc about them.
2017-12-06 18:13
The problem is that Israel is a Jewish state and nothing else. Muslims hate Israel due to Islamic scripture that is very antisemitic. This is why basically every muslim nation in close proximity has tried to destroy Israel.
2017-12-06 18:15
Palestinians are con artists and propaganda experts. They shouldn't be trusted. Terrorists openly roam on streets.
2017-12-06 18:16
About time palestine (aka hopeless terrorist country full of shitty mudlims) gets rekt.
2017-12-06 18:21
#182
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Israel Netanjahu 
This.
2017-12-06 20:08
Typical racist hltv kid and typical israelian agree lmao
2017-12-10 14:24
depending on what aspects youre looking for, ive spent a lot of my time looking at the history (going back 500 years), modern politics and early establishment. overall, current issues are the israeli president and part of the population who believe peace will never work with palestine. and on the other side is Hamas, which is a terrorist organisation focused on eradicating jews and establishing Palestine (obviously its a little easier to see which side is more moral). history wise since jews like to say they were there 2000 years ago, and palestinians say they were there for the time in between. ive found theres no real reason to look at who lived in the land, rather at who ran/owned the land. over 500 years ago, the area known as Israel and surrounding areas were property of the Ottomans, until the end of the second world war. because of the collapse of the ottomans, the British then assumed control of the land, and due to rising sentiment globally for a jewish state since the late 19th century (roughly half a century before it actually took place). Britain decided to allocate the land to the jews (most countries did not really want to 'look after' the jewish problem so shipping them away was both convenient, a long term solution and what the jews wanted. Upon the creation of israel, the jews were attacked by Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon (with the support of pretty much the entire islamic world), people always forget that jews started off as the weakest country of any in the middle east because it helps with portraying palestine as the victim. however the jewish people won, and ever since have been giving land back to the palestinians over the course of time due to peace treaties or cease fires etc. both sides have broken the peace since that war. honestly, when it comes to this conflict there is no morally right side. war does not and should not have a morally just side unless it is over political views (such as the second world war, which is also effectively the only war that has a clear good and bad side). what you should consider is the domestic politics of each country. Palestine is run by an organisation internationally recognised as a terrorist cell; they dont agree with equality between sexes; they dont believe in religious freedom; nor democracy. Israel is a well developed nation that is internationally recognised. they promote equality more than most nations in both religious equality and sexual (how many palestinians live in israel, compared to how many live in palestine. is always my favourite comparison) (edit- look at poocrafter for a fair and comprehensive recent history)
2017-12-06 18:33
Well this conflict goes back to the early 20th century starting with Jews in Europe feeling like that the only way that our culture could be protected is with a nation of our own. This led to many European Jews migrating to the area then known as the Ottoman Empire now know as Israel. After WW1 the French and British split up this area with the Brits controlling "British Palestine". The Brits allowed this migration of Jews for a while, but eventually both sides of the conflict attacked each other and so Britain decided to limit Jewish immigration. But the Jews banded together to not only oppose the Palestinians, but the also the Brits. As a direct effect of the holocaust many thousands more Jews migrated to this land that they called their own. Because of the atrocities committed against us, the majority of the world (the US mainly), decided to back the creation of a Jewish state. In 1947 the UN came up with a plan to divide what was then know as "British Palestine" in twine. One state being for Jews (Israel) the other for Arabs (Palestine). They also made Jerusalem an International zone for Christians, Muslims, and Jews since they all had holy sites there. Here's the map the UN made upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b.. The Jews of course accepted this plan since it gave them a land of their own to protect themselves. The Arabs however in neighboring countries thought this was just more colonialism and that Europe was stealing their land. The Arab countries declared war on Israel to make the entire place an Arab Palestine and get rid of the Jews. Israel of course won this war since we're so great lol. But this led to Israel taking western Jerusalem as well as a lot of the Palestine land from the UN Plan. The Jews forced out many Palestinians from their homes which led to refugee problems that persist into today. The only land the Arabs still controlled were Gaza and the West Bank. Which probably sound familiar from more recent conflicts in the area. In the 60s the arabs and jews fought another war which of course was again won by Israel. Israel then took West Bank, Gaze, and pushed into Syria and Egypt. The US stepped in during the 70s with the Camp David Accords and convinced Israel to calm down with taking all the land. They gave back some of the land and were able to make sort of piece with their Arab neighbors. This then led to a solely Israeli-Palestinian conflict with a group called PLO trying to restore British Palestine, the Israelis of course tried to push them out of the country which pretty much succeeded in. Israelis then moved into the West Bank and Gaza under religious, political, and for cheap living pretexts (a lot of the houses in that land are government subsidized). The Israeli settlers were accompanied by military forces for protection who still remain for that purpose and Israeli families started forcing Palestinians out of their homes. The First Intifada was a failed attempt by Palestinians to force the Jews out of their land. This then led to the rise of Hamas in Gaza and yet another international accord (Oslo Accords) to make peace. The Accords gave the Palestinians small government control in the West Bank. Hamas of course didn't like this and started doing bombings to muddy the waters of the Accords. Far right-winging Israelis also didn't like this since they lost some land because of the Accords so they rioted and one Israeli killed the then Prime Minister of Israel in protest. There were then more attempts to try and find peace including Camp David 2 which failed. And led to the Second Intifada which caused many thousands more deaths on both sides. It also led to many Israelis doubting the possibility of Palestine ever wanting to come to peace with Israel. Israelis still continue to settle in homes of Palestinians in the West Bank today which continues to harm chances of peace as well.
2017-12-06 18:29
the holy land belongs to the jews /closed
2017-12-06 18:30
I agree
2017-12-06 18:33
#183
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Israel Netanjahu 
Yup, <3
2017-12-06 20:08
+1
2017-12-06 20:19
created by the poor stolen by the rich its a sad world everything is stolen by corporations and other rich fucks
2017-12-06 18:32
You just described my country Brazil.
2017-12-06 18:36
sadly the whole world is like this
2017-12-06 19:20
the only Israeli president who truly wanted to solve this problem was assassinated but dont forget also the radical Palestinians that sabotaged with terrorist bombings this peace effort same time and fused radical Jews and rabbies Middle East will never be in peace.
2017-12-06 18:35
#135
United Kingdom Gqz 
If in doubt blame the British and their empire.
2017-12-06 18:37
Yup, fck the Queen Kappa
2017-12-06 18:41
#151
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North America hesh 
fuck palestine, bunch of terrorists
2017-12-06 18:49
#161
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Turkey KUYASH 
War is coming
2017-12-06 19:13
The problem is that you compare : Jews : a group of people coming from many different countries but who believe in the same religion Palestinians : a group of people who were born on this land Those two definitions shows you what the issue is : You kick people out of the land where they were born to give it to people who consider that in ancient times people with the same belief used to live here so they should get this land. Most of them didn't even have bloobonds with people born on this land. Then after the english acheived to give the sionist (jews) a part of this land. The jews started to kick the palestinian out of the territories that the english had let to the palestinians. You have to know that historically this land has been conquered and reconquered by a lot of communities. But during the time of the ottomans, Jews, Christians and Muslims used to live there peacefully. The actual shitstorm just started when the English decided to give the sionist a part of this land.
2017-12-06 19:16
"But during the time of the ottomans, Jews, Christians and Muslims used to live there peacefully. " False!
2017-12-06 20:05
#186
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Israel Netanjahu 
"Palestinians : a group of people who were born on this land" Actually, The "Palestinians", came from Egypt and Jordan between 1920-1935 to work in the land called back then by them "Palestine", After the British Empire left this place, the United Nations made a vote to allow the jewish people around the world to come to Israel and made a country there. before that happened, the Jordans were leading in that land, the "Palestinians" didn't do anything because it was an arabic leading, so after the UN did their vote, in 5th of May, Friday 4PM, Ben Gurion, the Prime Minister of Israel back then, called that now this land's name is 'Israel'. So my friend, The "Palestinians" wasn't born in Israel, they came from Jordan and Egypt who controlled back then in Israel, so it's not the "Palestinians'" land. Hope you understood, peace, Nadav.
2017-12-06 20:17
Dude you have to make the difference between people who were born somewhere and people who immigrate. When i say palestinians i talk about both the jews the christians and the muslim who were born on this land. Still the sionists did their best crybabies faces to get that land and then kick whoever was in their way. If the UN did that vote its mostly because the sionist did all the work in background To get this done. So yeah it's basic theft of a land.
2017-12-06 20:56
zionists are garbage they also got the timing right to use the us pres with an iq below 80 /close
2017-12-06 19:26
And Donald Trump just recognized it LUL
2017-12-06 19:56
VIVA ISREAL!
2017-12-06 20:09
#188
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Turkey miNO16 
Erdogan gonna rekt USA and Israel :D
2017-12-06 20:20
#189
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Israel Netanjahu 
lmao someone here is high as fuck as I can see
2017-12-06 20:21
#194
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Turkey miNO16 
when the Ottoman here, our grandfathers lived peacefully in this lands but you jews guys done shit and will pay the retribution from Turks. you look angry, i understand you, but you'll lose, so cry is free :D
2017-12-06 20:39
#195
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Israel Netanjahu 
Sorry but, No
2017-12-06 20:36
This gonna be huge. Now we will see how saudi-israel aliance stands.
2017-12-06 20:53
Palestinians sold the lands and rich boi Israel bought them ez
2017-12-06 21:10
True
2018-01-15 04:34
if you look at history of jews, it's a drama all the time they just cant be normal seriously, what is wrong with you?
2017-12-06 21:12
#214
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Israel Netanjahu 
If you lool at the history of jews, you can clearly see that they dis nothing wrong, but they got hate from muslims every time. Seriously, what is wrong with you?
2017-12-06 22:52
haha, muslims? hitler wasn't muslim europe wasn't muslim Poland wasn't muslim anti-semitism wasn't muslim and now you make chaos on middle east so it is muslim, seems like wherever you go, somehow you make troubles the question is is world such a bad place for jews ? or maybe there is something wrong with jews themeselves? definitely worth to be considered i don't know the answer yet
2017-12-06 23:03
doesn't seem like you have historical knowledge beyond the last 100 years or so... might wanna spend more time reading before making assertions.
2017-12-08 01:02
truth hurt sometimes, im not gonna spend my time on jews, there is over 2000 more relevant books on my bookshelf about the universe and human kind
2017-12-08 03:23
well if youre not gonna spend your time on the jews then dont say 'truth hurts'... idiotic. im not saying this because of what you said about the jews. im saying this because to anyone (who actually reads, had a good historical understanding and a decent understanding of geopolitics); it would be obvious that youre generalising (astronomically i might add, since judaism is one of the oldest documented aspects of humanity) and are bias af.
2017-12-08 13:36
#205
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Israel NickNiTRo2 
This is a Jewish state, not an Arab state ! IL & USA <3
2017-12-06 21:17
#251
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Turkey Mustafa- 
LOL
2017-12-10 14:11
#209
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Guatemala kaanmert 
free palestine
2017-12-06 21:36
#211
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Norway FazeUpRain 
usa = isis
2017-12-06 21:58
#217
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Croatia mds818 
obviously not from either of those countries but talked with some IS so... the thing is that from my pov both of the sides are acting like the bunch of 15yo kids who're trying to see who's going to behave worse,palestine/isis kidnapping some 3 guys from israel(4 years ago or smth) and israel handled that as an international incident rather then a random kidnap and ya lets go to a war because thats just another shitty excuse...obviously they have been in war 24/7 since the creation of those countries however it dosen't make sense when they're basicly two of the same countries just having different religion....IS/PL conflict is pretty much the mirror of CRO/SRB conflict...
2017-12-06 23:04
#218
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Turkey SLendeRuLeZ 
Its deeper than that, the media is manipulation is so strong and big part of this conflict, they're showing as if it were Muslims vs Christians war when people living there have the exact same race but just different religions, tbh they're brothers fighting each other and each one its supported by different relatives.
2017-12-06 23:19
#219
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Croatia mds818 
i know,that's what i said(in a way)
2017-12-06 23:19
#242
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Canada deIione 
thank god that this really means nothing in the big scheme of things,196 countries of the world and 1 recognizes jerusalem as it capital.no other country will do the same,but its now time for palestine to be given state hood and the 4 countries that are in the UN,russia,china,france & the UK must now recognizes the state of palestine & east jerusalem the captial of the state of palestine - if they dont, then it proves to the world that their views, their power doesnt really exist and the united states of a..holes are the true rulers of this world
2017-12-08 01:52
its not that there's terrorists coming from there, its that "Palestine" exists only in the form of a terrorist group, the only reason "Palestine" ever became a thing as a muslim state is because of Jew hatred nothing besides that.
2018-01-15 04:21
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