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Fallen: S1mple was one of the worst trades that ever existed.
Brazil Skbestteam2017 
youtube.com/watch?v=WVtIeTXNQPQ 31:50 Fallen said it was the worst choice to have removed Zeus and placed S1mple, as the old Navi was a good team with potential for win various titles
2017-12-07 19:52
well, it was true in terms of results. (in the future ofc.) but for sure S1mple is the best player in the World individually. Kicking IGL is always shit. when you have no player to take his position with good experience.
2017-12-07 19:54
starix was the igl,Zeus was just an emotional leader i guess
2017-12-07 20:03
coaching rule destroyed them also
2017-12-07 20:05
Putin forced NaVi to keep Seized.
2017-12-07 21:24
#77
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Hong Kong wqnxy1 
ncie argument lul :DD
2017-12-07 21:56
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Finland barski 
zeus wasnt even the igl at that point, starix was the igl and coach at the same time. basically zeus and seized were roleplayers. ofcourse navi regretted making the move afterwards hence why they picked zeus again.
2017-12-07 20:04
coaching rule destroyed them also
2017-12-07 20:05
Putin forced NaVi to keep Seized.
2017-12-07 21:24
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Brazil adre221 
KKKKKKKKKKKKK best player of tier3 for sure, right along with xantares. Na'vi went from top2 to top shit with simple, they never reach finals and only win against tier2/3 teams.
2017-12-07 20:12
expected from scarred coldzera fan to hate S1mple. he is better and it makes you jelly as hell. it doesn't matter how much tournaments they win, s1mple drops top1 performances against tier1 teams and all know that. Player rating is not a Team Rating.
2017-12-07 20:14
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Brazil adre221 
Oh boy I'm sure jealous, coldzera is out there carrying in finals against tier1 teams on bo3s while s1mple is, well, carrying his team to a loss in bo1 against tier3 in groupstage, you don't have the excuse of him having a bad team because when s1mple joined na'vi they were a top3 team, what else, are you going to say that na'vi is not good enough and that s1mple should be in faze or sk? don't be ridiculous
2017-12-07 20:16
do you know the difference between: > "TEAM RESULTS" and > "PLAYER PERFORMANCES AGAINST TOP TEAMS"????
2017-12-07 20:20
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Brazil adre221 
I don't know about you silver noob but a player performance is useless if he can't lead his team to victories, also, what top teams are you talking about? Cold plays finals almost everytime and has huge performances against tier1 teams on bo3 where it matters, s1mple is just a shitter playing in tier2/3 and getting his ass kicked in groups. Nt fanboy, back to the hole, cold top1 2016/2017, SK #1, s1mple onliner noob that brought na'vi from top2 to top20
2017-12-07 20:22
+1
2017-12-07 20:33
0/8 impossible to speak with retarded br fanboy like you. you can't (or don't want) to understand the difference between players' qualities and team qualities. s1mple >>>> coldzera by a margin but SK winning tournaments
2017-12-07 20:46
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Brazil adre221 
kkkkkkkk what a delusional fanboy, go cheer for s1mple at the next tier3 event, I'll go watch SK play the semi finals where there is a true god playing, not some tier3 shit.
2017-12-07 20:48
DreamHack was a solid tier2 event with t1 teams presented. but blind coldzero fangay and s1mple hater can't see that for sure.
2017-12-07 20:49
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Brazil adre221 
Wow, one tier2 event! that must be a record for s1mple KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK meanwhile cold winning shit tons of tier1 events...
2017-12-07 20:50
"KKKKKKKKKKKKK" goodbye, don't want to spent my time on braindead Brazilian fanboy anymore. you just ignoring all facts and talking bullshit from your head.
2017-12-07 20:51
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
You have to be the most retarded hltv user this website has ever seen. S1mple performance is insane, there's not much to add to that, he's a top 3 player in the world as for preformance, and the best player as for skill, there's not any player better than S1mple as for how skilled he is, maybe NiKo is the only one that can compete there, but i would still say s1mple is better. Skill is tied to form and that overtime drops or gets better, results are tied to a fuckton other stuff that s1mple can't control himself, same as Coldzera earlier on this year, he was still getting his numbers and being a better player than even Device winning the tournament, but his team with Felps was sucking dick and getting out in groups. Yet you always have to consider "He's a top 3 player" even if he's not winning tier 1 tournaments, you can tell when someone is good without him winning tournaments. (KennyS 2015 in Titan was a top 3 player and he didn't won shit until he got to a better team and won a major)
2017-12-07 20:46
+1 those coldzero fans are impossible
2017-12-07 20:47
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Brazil adre221 
kkkkkkkkk here comes the s1mple fanboy with the excuse that he has a bad team, s1mple joined a top2 na'vi and bought them to his home, the tier3 shithole, what's next, s1mple joining faze, bringing them down to tier3, and them fans complaining he has a bad team? the cycle never ends
2017-12-07 20:50
#49
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
Fanboy is a strong word, i'm not a fanboy, i just know what happened a year ago because i don't have a shit goldfish memory. S1mple joined Na'Vi and made that team win a big tournament. Until then Na'Vi were the guys that got far in tournaments but never won shit, thanks to S1mple they did. Next tournament the coach ruling happens and the IGL and Coach of Na'Vi (Starix) was no longer able to IGL, resulting in the team desperately looking for a new IGL. Seized starts to lead but because of this his level is severely impacted and he starts to become (as people said) a decoy. They bring back Zeus in the team after GuardiaN leaving to join FaZe. The team improves yet Seized can't come back to that high level he used to be at and Flamie can't frag as he's expected to. They kick Seized and they bring Electronic, since they won a tier 2 tournament and S1mple with Zeus markeloff, etc, won WESG that is another tier 2 tournament (The finals were kinda tier 3, GODSENT was meh) Since S1mple joined the team he has always been a consistent good fragger. As an awper he has been the carry of the team, and since the join of Electronic this team seems to be even better than before. The point people bring up is that he destroys the team, he may, he did have a negative impact on GuardiaN's career and he did say some shit about Seized in the past, yet he has always been an insane player, and Na'Vi going to tier 2/3 doesn't have anything to do with S1mple being a bad player. It may have something to do with his attitude (that we don't know for sure) and it does have a fuckton to do with valve ruling on coach and IGL. If FaZe does -GuardiaN +S1mple then the only issue i would see is that S1mple's mentality would have a negative impact as he would want to be the star but players like Olofmeister and NiKo would most likely be the stars.
2017-12-07 21:01
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Brazil adre221 
Ahhh now I get it, causing internal problems within the team while performing against tier3 is clearly better than cold playing extremely smart and carrying against tier1, I understand now, s1mple is the best player in the world for sure, the best player in the world doesn't even play tier1 events, that makes a lot of sense.
2017-12-07 21:04
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
I didn't even name Cold in my reply wtf. The only time i named him was actually saying that Cold has been in a similar situation on the which he was still a top 3 player in the world yet his team was doing like shit. Idk, you're stupid, you don't know shit about CS.
2017-12-07 21:06
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1
2017-12-08 18:39
Dont talk to him he has no knowledge about competitive CS:GO.
2017-12-07 20:21
+1 hard to argue with coldzero fan...
2017-12-07 20:21
You can't just say "Na'Vi was better before s1mple so s1mple ruined Na'Vi" because you are just ignoring all the context,happenings which affected the team Btw they had their biggest achievment(winnng ESL One New York) with s1mple being the MVP but somehow everyone fails to mention that,wonder why maybe because they are biased as fuck?
2017-12-07 20:28
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Brazil adre221 
Yes, I see their biggest achievement, going from top2 and major finalists to nothing, and achieving nothing for 2 years, that's quite an achievement for sure. I'm not saying s1mple is the reason alone na'vi went to shit but you can't argue that a player like cold is much, much more valuable to his team's success than a player like s1mple, since cold joined SK only got better, with s1mple it was the opposite, cold always delivers, even in important matches, s1mple don't.
2017-12-07 20:31
-kicking Zeus -coaching rule -new roster -guardian wedding shit and other his excuses NOT ONLY ABOUT + or - S1mple in the roster you know...???? Brazilians seem to be not so smart honestly.... and cold playing in a well stacked team with stable roster.
2017-12-07 20:48
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Brazil adre221 
KKKKKK it's funny because these excuses only happens with EU teams, what's next, s1mple is trash and na'vi went to tier3 because s1mple had a nightmares of cold destroying him last night and that's why he plays bad? This is pathetic, SK had personal issues with fnx, fer had a huge problem that caused him to lose part of his audition and had to go into surgery, SK in their early days couldn't even afford a house, those are real problems, not this shitty faggot EU drama, yet you don't see SK losing and using these as excuses, you see them winning events. Quit whining, s1mple don't has what it takes to be a top player, he will always belong to tier2/3.
2017-12-07 20:56
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Brazil LeFt_SiX 
+1
2017-12-07 21:56
#76
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Cold, NiKo, Rain and FalleN are all better.
2017-12-07 21:56
Well, its pretty obvious at this point.........
2017-12-07 19:54
yes, I mean they should kick Seized, not Zeus. and all might be better.
2017-12-07 19:56
Or maybe they shouldnt add a team destroyer.........
2017-12-07 19:57
0/8 xd
2017-12-07 19:58
0/8
2017-12-07 20:00
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Armenia gr1nch 
-fnx + felps
2017-12-07 19:55
Man, I feel so bad for s1mple, he does his best and tries to carry his team, but everbody is saying that NaVi is bad because of him etc. It's litterally him against the world. I'm on his side though, he's really good player and NaVi downfall is not his fault
2017-12-07 19:59
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United States THE_WHOOPPER 
Yea I agree, at the time the coaching rule was not in effect, so it was a good move by Navi
2017-12-07 20:02
I definetly agree with you
2017-12-07 20:03
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Sweden stew2k 
+1
2017-12-07 21:12
Fallen is crazy, navi was bad at that moment and s1mple was a good choice, but they needed to kick seized instead, wasnt the worst change tho
2017-12-07 19:59
They were bad at that moment but since then they never brought a good CS to the table not saying that he is bad, but the man cant play in a team imo
2017-12-07 20:06
They should have kicked Edward. seized was fine to that time.
2017-12-07 20:23
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Italy marxie 
+1
2017-12-07 21:02
They had potential ofc but i don't think they would've won anything important if they've continued with that lineup,they were already going downhill.The roster was already more than 1 years old,rosters usually reach their ceiling well in that time. They tried to avoid the inevitable but they got fucked really hard by Valve..
2017-12-07 20:02
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Brazil adre221 
Na'vi should've stayed together for longer before changing into s1mple, it's not like they were bad for a long time, it could've been a small slump that they could've worked out, now they are a shadow of themselves.
2017-12-07 20:14
I think they "rushed" the roster change because s1mple wouldn't have been a free agent for a long time,some team would've picked him up for sure,and s1mple wanted to play in Na'Vi too. The problem is if they would've went into a slump(which they were showing the signs of),i don't know what they could've changed in the team(not neceserally a roster change) to be good again... And other than s1mple there wouldn't have been another obviously world class talent they could've picked up,so i think they took a calculated risk but they got Valve'd
2017-12-07 20:34
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Brazil adre221 
I think they didn't need to change anything at all, they were one of the best teams in the world just the way they are, sure the coach rule might've affected them but they could adapt.
2017-12-07 20:36
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Portugal R0cketOG 
It was indeed a bad trade. As you can see, even having 4 world class players (FaZe) isnt a recipe for guaranteed success, without proper IGleading. Much less likely would be swapping their IGL for 1 guy that had the potential but wasnt the beast he is today.
2017-12-07 20:06
eng subs?...
2017-12-07 20:35
#34
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
FalleN clearly missed the point that the team was planning on using Starix as a "Coach IGL" but unfortunately the rules changed when S1mple got into the team just one tournament after the one they won with him. It wasn't a bad trade, if you were to know "We'll need an IGL" then they would've done -Seized/Edward +S1mple and Zeus IGL, but this is what happens when the rules are changed out of fucking nowhere.
2017-12-07 20:40
most pros are biased. Not only was fallen mainly focused on his team, but most pros over-estimate the value of things besides playing abilities. B4 coaching change it was an undeniably good trade
2017-12-07 20:49
+1 Coaching rule was one of the main Na`Vi's reasons to fall down.
2017-12-07 20:50
nah s1mple cant play slow map control execute cs, he is braindead for this kind of stuff he also overpeeks everytime, cant play man advantage situations, so he gets punished everytime old navi was a pain in the ass, they played after plants in a godlike way, also godlike on defending bombs + rotations as CT since liquid, s1mple has good games but against top teams he gets punished too much.
2017-12-07 20:55
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Brazil adre221 
No dude but can't you see? Na'vi can lose matches against tier3 teams now while s1mple is getting some frags! Na'vi being a tier3 team while s1mple is performing against trash teams is clearly better than being a top2 team and winning against tier1, s1mple is the best player in the world for sure!
2017-12-07 21:01
XD
2017-12-07 21:02
cant play slow style? he played in flipsid3. How do you think that worked if he was incapable of playing slow style. Even then, you can just loosen up a little bit, itll still be a better team, look at New York. The main killer with not having an igl is you cant apadt or have god midround calls, hence why tey failed. You wanna talk afterplants, more skill (generally) = better afterplant. And prime navi was fantastic, but he wasnt added to prime navi, he was added to te shit navi that got stomped by liquid in map 3 of the major semis, and got blown out by a fnatic team in the semis of EL, that went on to do fuck all. He has problems as a player, but he is an undeniable net postitive, just look at dreamhack winter.
2017-12-07 21:04
#57
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Brazil adre221 
It's s1mple, it didn't work, s1mple caused internal problems within the team which lead to the rest of team playing like shit and s1mple leaving them.
2017-12-07 21:05
prove it, pl always say this but there is no proof
2017-12-07 21:06
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Brazil adre221 
Look it up, I'm not wasting my time on this, it's extremely easy, he disrespected markeloff or something like that, do your own research, what I'm saying is true.
2017-12-07 21:06
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Brazil adre221 
Actually it literally took one click, here it is esport.aftonbladet.se/csgo/markeloff-abo..
2017-12-07 21:07
in navi dumbass.
2017-12-07 21:10
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Brazil adre221 
you were talking about flipside, don't pretend to be more stupid than you already are, I even said ''s1mple leaving them'' on my comment, s1mple didn't leave na'vi yet, you can't pretend you are stupid to evade this. Also in na'vi s1mple had some drama with guardian, you can look that up too.
2017-12-07 21:12
1) who cares about how he caused problems in f3, its not navi, and u can even argue he was a net positive for them, and 2) guardian drama is teh only drama in navi, and it was obvious guardian's fault
2017-12-07 21:16
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Brazil adre221 
''cant play slow style? he played in flipsid3. How do you think that worked if he was incapable of playing slow style.'' ''It's s1mple, it didn't work, s1mple caused internal problems within the team which lead to the rest of team playing like shit and s1mple leaving them.'' Your point is that s1mple can play slow because he did it in flipside, my point is that your point is ridiculous because s1mple created a shit ton of internal problems in flipside in the first place. It's not my fault you are too dumb to understand that in the first place
2017-12-07 21:16
yeah thats too different things. You are argueing about personality issues, im argueing hes capable of playing a slow style. Those two are diferent things. Also, the reason mine is more relevant,is bc ppl tend to improve personailty problems and mature, ppl dont tend to forget how to play in a slow style. IM not argueing simple in flipeside worked, im argueing the idea he cant play in a slow style is rediculous
2017-12-07 21:19
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Brazil adre221 
I know you'd have said this, but this is incorrect also. Read the fucking article, he can't play in a team, much less play ''slow style'', he peeks like a retard and does things that only works in tier3, and gets punished against tier1. He didn't play ''slow style'', he didn't play in a team, all he did was do some risky plays which sometimes payed off and them proceed to flame his team.
2017-12-07 21:22
This is become a circular arguement lmao. Look, nothing in this article suggests he cant play in a tactical team, it just says hes toxic as shit, however it seems to me hes worked a lot on his toxicity in navi, and if you think about it is much less likely to flame players like flamie and electronic who are actually good. ANyway, if you dont agree thats fine, but ur arguement feels tenuous to me as it is very loosely based on fact, you cant make assertions without a proper basis, which i am inclined to think you lack, if your arguement is that simple was so toxic he made it impossible for navi to successfuly play a slow style.
2017-12-07 21:29
nothing new here only s1mple delusional fanbois think that was a fair trade LUL trading a great igl for a streamer LMAOO
2017-12-07 20:54
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Lithuania Paulius_CS 
Hes right old navi played well and was easily top 5. Back then seized was a strong support player, guardian was in his prime, flamie was a more consistent aimer. Zeus team playstyle was insanely strong in the meta of those times as well.
2017-12-07 21:02
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United States DemiFiend 
Guardian already left his prime by then and starix was igl
2017-12-08 18:58
#54
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Malta Zabikbir 
Lol cause navi with s1mple is a really danger for sk fucking two faces
2017-12-07 21:03
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Brazil hugoooo 
No doubts about it. Na'Vi was so damn strong before... they were a solid top5 team. Since s1mple joined, they became waaaaay worse.
2017-12-07 21:06
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Croatia mds818 
idk,i don't really want to blame anyone on this point because the thing is that if we looked on realistic pov we can blame pretty much valve and all of navi valve:coaching rule obviously(still not a valid excuse) navi:replacing in game leader with star player(most retarded move ever,typical na style-org to blame) simple:yes and no,yes i am going to say any time that there's no way in hell that simple can play in cis team because cis style dosen't suit him,thats like forcing kennys to play m4/ak only because he can use the rifles... in game leader/coach:why the fuck would you have simple to be such a big star that all 4 of the other players must sacrafice their stats and playstyle just to suit him? i mean come on...
2017-12-07 21:13
Team results... They were doing shit
2017-12-07 21:49
#75
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Germany Gloin 
They made that move too late. S1mple came when Guardian was at his all time low
2017-12-07 21:52
#79
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Ukraine extezy10 
For S1mple it's bad because he could go to any top team, but he chose the broken Navi team, people think he ruined Navi, and that's very stupid, the team was already destroyed during Cologne 2016, Seized Starix Flamie wanted to kick Zeus, because the leader was Starix, and they did not need Zeus, with his bad game, and S1mple made the mistake that Navi chose. It was necessary to go to the Faze, or stay in Liquid. Fallen is right ..... But already other times, and NaVi kind of like, there is a chance to return to the Top
2017-12-07 22:04
Fallen thinks the team does not just depend on individual skill, but it's a series of factors together that contribute to the team being successful, and sometimes a good team play is superior
2017-12-08 18:16
He said that the old Navi was a good team, which arrived in the finals of all the championships and just did not win for very little. Fallen believes they could work together to become champions
2017-12-08 18:18
#82
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Ukraine extezy10 
oh ty dude :)
2017-12-08 18:24
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