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COLD/NIKO
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United States Shadow272 
WHO IS GONNA BE TOP 1?
2017-12-07 21:25
#1
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Latvia Prophett 
COLDNIKO nr1
2017-12-07 21:25
#2 NIKOZERA
2017-12-07 22:10
#47
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Brazil MrJoaoV 
hahahahah
2017-12-08 11:05
#72
Eeyore | 
World 1ND3X 
cold, because of majors. but niko is better. and s1mple is more better than they all.
2017-12-08 18:02
#77
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Brazil zptz 
cold win majors in 2016, its 2017 and no, cold is 100% better
2017-12-08 18:05
#78
Eeyore | 
World 1ND3X 
AND??????????????
2017-12-08 18:05
#82
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Brazil zptz 
ranking is of 2017, cold majors do not count
2017-12-08 18:08
not 2016 majors but majors 2017: Cold: Eleague 3rd-4th / Krakow 7th-8th NIKO: Eleague ??? / Krakow out in group stage
2017-12-09 10:14
#84
Eeyore | 
World 1ND3X 
u think, for example, that all commentators and analytics ara idiots, if they think that simple and niko more skilled than cold? he is good individually but he has much more better team, dont be stupid, my brazilian friend
2017-12-08 18:09
#85
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Brazil zptz 
S1mple and niko are more SKILLED than cold, especially s1mple, but cold helps more your team, have more impact in the game, is more consistent, this things make one player good, not only skill. But i accept s1mple>niko>cold in terms of SKILL
2017-12-08 18:13
#114
Eeyore | 
World 1ND3X 
i meen the same i said only about all individual performs, but they cant understand that sk more good like TEAM than faze/navi and without sk cold can do NOTHING,
2017-12-08 19:46
#118
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Brazil zptz 
Yeah, its true, sk is more a TEAM, the players need the others
2017-12-08 19:52
No, that's not the reason at all. When Cold arrived at LG, LG wasn't even a top 20 team. Now SK is top 1 for almost two years. Coincidency? When s1mple joined Na'vi, Na'vi was a top 2 team. Now? What did he acomplish? This "skill" bullshit really tires me out. Cold has better rating all year, Better K/D, better results with the team, more tournament wins, more mvps. Nor NiKo nor s1mple are better players than cold in any aspect. You know why? Because Cold besides being skilled as he is, he is a team player, he makes the team better by being the center of the team.
2017-12-09 02:23
#142
jnt | 
Brazil SAG1A 
Rektttttt +1
2017-12-09 02:30
+1
2017-12-09 02:56
#151
Eeyore | 
World 1ND3X 
blindly again
2017-12-09 09:54
#166
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Brazil DRayyy 
+1 SAVAGE SEX REKT
2017-12-09 18:25
#143
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Brazil janfps 
youtube.com/watch?v=rO1ZxQtNmsw words cant prove nothin, facts can just watch and stop being a delusional kid. Cold>>>>>>>>>>NiKo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>s1mple
2017-12-09 02:40
Perfect video
2017-12-09 03:01
brazilian pride talking, got no voice in this vote
2017-12-09 03:15
#100
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Hungary showee 
which commentator? :D Thorin? :D s1mple maybe better in 1v1... ok... but sadly csgo is a team game... so s1mple not even close to top5...
2017-12-08 18:30
#93
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Brazil FuRiouSzZ 
more better of good
2017-12-08 18:18
#99
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Hungary showee 
if you think simple is better than cold or Niko then your oponion not relevant in a 10+ iq conversation...
2017-12-08 18:32
#112
Eeyore | 
World 1ND3X 
Ty for showing me YOUR iq with dat arguments
2017-12-08 19:43
#117
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Hungary showee 
you're welcome
2017-12-08 19:49
#163
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Brazil LangBR 
More better lul
2017-12-09 17:52
#2
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Ukraine just3njoy 
s1mple
2017-12-07 21:26
#45
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Latvia Prophett 
p1mple*
2017-12-08 11:02
tac1mple*
2017-12-08 17:36
#60
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Latvia Prophett 
Ruined..
2017-12-08 17:39
tacuined
2017-12-08 18:13
#3
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Croatia mds818 
hopefully niko probably cold because of the majors
2017-12-07 21:26
#7
TACO | 
United States SK_Godzera 
no, cold will win cuz he is the best player of all times of csgo.
2017-12-07 21:27
#8
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Croatia mds818 
most consistant* best?no.
2017-12-07 21:28
of course he is the best. best of ALL TIME. I'm serious im not even lying.
2017-12-07 21:29
#58
NiKo | 
Serbia s1m1k 
You are seriously retarded lol xD
2017-12-08 17:39
#79
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Brazil zptz 
who is better in csgo? GTR with 1 major ? or olof with one year of glory fuck yourself man
2017-12-08 18:06
#88
NiKo | 
Serbia s1m1k 
I know it is hard to see NiKo on #1 but it's okay maybe next time cold gets back to #1 but he will probably drop down to #3-#4 xD <3
2017-12-08 18:15
#96
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Brazil zptz 
Okay, I respect your opinion, but tell me why do you think niko is going to be top1?
2017-12-08 18:19
#104
NiKo | 
Serbia s1m1k 
Because he is better than cold :) At least in this year... He was probably better even in mousesports but he didn't have team to show it ;)
2017-12-08 18:39
#106
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Brazil zptz 
your answer for my question is "cuz he is better than cold" cold is 100% better than niko More impact in the game, more rating 2.0 in this year, more achievements, more mvps, more tournaments, more everything NiKo is overrated, rain is best player of faze bye fanboy kid
2017-12-08 19:06
#107
NiKo | 
Serbia s1m1k 
lool sweet dream ;) Cold is not better player than NiKo and ratings will prove it <3 #1 NiKo #2 Cold #3 Rain #CryIsFree Banana guy
2017-12-08 19:22
#108
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Brazil zptz 
Hhsudhuauhdushahdas we will see soon
2017-12-08 19:30
Actually Cold's rating is better, also his K/D is better, and he played more maps, and won more titles, and more mvps. There's not even ONE single argument in favor of NiKo this year so far. Your only argument is "Because he is better" wich isn't even an argument.
2017-12-09 02:25
Of course NiKo is better than Coldzera skillwise. These stupid retards talk about statistics when it's a team based game were impact is different in FaZe than in SK but there are a bunch of BRs here, you can't argue that with apes. They're so proud of what comes from their country they'll defend it till death against all common sense or reason.
2017-12-09 03:19
Common sense or reason, your argument for NiKo being better is just "He is more skilled" what does that even mean? Tell me something concrete pls. Just one, one concrete argument on why NiKo is better. Then I will believe you.
2017-12-09 17:07
Dude cut that shit BR pride of yours, drop that banana and listen to reason, there is no argument to support a point were statistics is the only basis since FaZe is a strong aimer lineup and SK a more methodical alternating team, FaZe doesn't even have roles very defined, consist in pretty much entryfraggers turned to be supports (olof). Individual stats show up when there is a clear difference in level between X and the rest of the team, which Coldzera has. But you too dumb to comprehend, even with that you'll say "SKG TOP#1" and all that stupid bullshit you all BRs say in HLTV 24/7 so what gives
2017-12-09 19:11
I really can't answer that. Since you talked a lot and said nothing. How is this an argument to state that NiKo is better than Cold?
2017-12-09 19:34
if this is a bait, 0/8 if not, you're retarded af favela
2017-12-09 19:45
lol. You just said that faze is an aimer line up while SK is more methodical. This has nothing to do with the NiKo vs Cold debate. You can't justify yourself with that.
2017-12-09 19:48
wow dude you're an idiot
2017-12-10 22:04
#12
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Norway anMu 
+1
2017-12-07 21:29
If you look at the statistics, you will see that both, cold and niko are very consistant. In my opinion, niko has a slighty advantage in terms of raw aim, but since csgo is a game based a lot on game sense and playing along with your team, i think in terms of "The best player", Cold gets a little advantage. Just for fun I took the average rating 2.0 of both cold and niko since the start of this year. Cold has a 1.286 average 2.0 rating in 255 maps, and Niko has a 1.261 average in 230 maps. Very close.
2017-12-07 21:54
#9
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Norway anMu 
What did cold at majors??? Getting rekt by VP at first and trashed by Astralis at second?
2017-12-07 21:28
1.4 rating and destroying noobs like faze? oh wait they went out of groups.
2017-12-07 21:29
#59
NiKo | 
Serbia s1m1k 
FaZe never played Major with this line up ;) #CryIsFree
2017-12-08 17:39
#80
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Brazil zptz 
for faze fans your history starts after this lineup
2017-12-08 18:07
#87
NiKo | 
Serbia s1m1k 
Im FaZe fan from time NiKo joined FaZe ... And no it doesnt starts from this lineup im just saying they had shit team before olof and guardian :)
2017-12-08 18:13
#90
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Brazil zptz 
So for you, the SL-Starseries title does not count? so niko won 2 tournaments and 1 MVP? tell me about it
2017-12-08 18:16
#129
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United States ItsImpact 
So when LG swapped to SK they only have 1 major so cold only have 1 major mvp
2017-12-08 20:13
#136
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Brazil zptz 
So, what I'm talking about, it does not make any difference to me, but whenever I'm going to argue with some fan of faze, they say "after that lineup we never lose to you" or something like that
2017-12-09 00:50
#137
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United States ItsImpact 
True. But u have to give FaZe a chance and not just say SK always win
2017-12-09 01:54
#176
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Brazil zptz 
AND NOW???? FUCKING FANBOY CRYISFREEEEEEEEE MAN NIKO TOP 192349823942343433434 RAIN>>>>NIKO U ARE A BRAINDEAD SK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FAZE EZPZ4SK
2017-12-10 21:51
#38
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Brazil adre221 
they had fucking FOX playing
2017-12-07 22:14
so are you saying cold NEEDS another player to be the best in the world?
2017-12-08 18:21
1.40 rating while playing with fox
2017-12-08 19:54
exactly my point. playing with fox is not a good excuse
2017-12-08 20:59
#144
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Brazil adre221 
I'm saying that even though they had a stand in cold played amazing and got pretty close results against a strong vp
2017-12-09 02:51
but according to your original argument to the first guy, cold didn't do well in the major because they had fox playing. and no he didn't play amazing at all
2017-12-09 08:18
No. SK didn't do well, not cold. SK didn't do well because they have to adapt their style to fit a new player. Wich means new tatics, new strategies, new positions, and FalleN wasn't even awping to give it to fox. So It just means the team wasn't the same, in spite of that Cold still played his ass off with 1.4 rating. This is what he is trying to say. Unfortunatelly it wasn't enough to win.
2017-12-09 17:09
hahaha knowing fallen he wouldn't be bothered to be wasting his tactics with a stand in, even though it was a major. he was just aiming to achieve legend status because they were trying to find another fit for the team. if sk is as good as they sound then cold and sk should have been able to at least beat some other teams and make them look scary, not like what actually happened
2017-12-09 19:45
#174
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Brazil adre221 
hi
2017-12-10 21:45
easy questio Top 1 is the easiest, the hardest is knowing the order the top 2-20...
2017-12-07 21:27
#5
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Brazil lulbrazillul 
cold ofc... no question.......
2017-12-07 21:27
#6
rain | 
CIS vodkacspro 
coldzera will be #1 but NiKo is the more skilled player
2017-12-07 21:27
#37
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
I think they are equal but cold works much better in a team.
2017-12-07 22:12
LoL I think it's the first time I read this. Cold is way more skilled than Niko.
2017-12-08 18:35
''way better'' NiKo have better/same rating in big events as cold and cold is always the last guy to die and save the gun so often and get exitfrags from it to boost his KD And im sure NiKo would rape cold 1v1
2017-12-08 18:41
same rating in big events? Lower rating on lans and overall 2017. If exit frags boosted his rating his rate would be insanely high Since he has almost 500+ K/D difference than NiKo. Rape in a 1v1 isn't a parameter for a team game. Cold plays better in a team, his decisions are better, his game sense is better, his aim is as good as NiKo's. What's your point?
2017-12-09 17:11
coldzera play in NA so he boost his stats even harder , and SK almost play in every LAN they can FaZe dont they have only played in Tier 1 events
2017-12-09 17:48
I don't know what are u talking about. Besides Astrallis and G2, all other EU teams are trash right now. Hell if I may cloud9 and Liquid are as good as them. Besides Optic plays in NA also. What are you talking about? They've been to the same events, the difference is that FaZe sometimes is eliminated in groups.
2017-12-09 18:21
SK have been to many low tier events FaZe have not and dont call NA leauge the same as EU fucking Optic a EU team was #1 in the NA leauge
2017-12-09 18:22
Who will be the top 2? Fallen, niko, device? This is a more difficult question.
2017-12-07 21:28
#14
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Ukraine just3njoy 
device AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH 0/8
2017-12-07 21:30
Device is the best astralis player
2017-12-07 21:31
But I do not care, can be another player of the astralis. the doubt is Fallen x Niko top2
2017-12-07 21:37
not hard at all NiKo will be #2 same rating as coldzera in a team with more firepower 2 or 3 MVPs
2017-12-07 21:30
Fallen earns points for being IGL. So the doubt is Fallen x Niko
2017-12-07 21:34
People seems to forget that Fallen was super bad for a long time in SK with felps even tho they won
2017-12-07 21:38
I did not say that Fallen was better than Niko, I said that fallen earned points for being IGL + mvp
2017-12-08 05:02
Sure he will get some credit for that but trust me he WILL NOT be #2 he will be #4 at best this year But he is not the same Fallen as he was in 2016 he have some games when he is and we have more players this year that did good like NiKo and many more Stats from 2016 hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2016-01.. Stats from 2017 hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2017-01..
2017-12-08 05:07
Statistics, Niko > Fallen . But rank should not be just about statistics. Fallen won more titles than Niko
2017-12-08 17:47
okey then TACO better than NiKo aswell , titles is by the team not player only
2017-12-08 17:47
Taco won 2 mvp? Is Taco the IGL of the most successful team in the world? As I said, fallen earned points for being the IGL of the best team in the world, who won more titles
2017-12-08 17:51
Fallen have played way worse this year than 2016 and in 2016 he got #2 this year we have many more players with better rating than him and more/same MVPs
2017-12-08 17:51
rating is an average and we know that the average can be increased or decreased based on the amount of games. Niko played 106 maps. Fallen and coldzera 122 maps
2017-12-08 17:51
They won 0 majors this year aswell when they won 2 last year that will effect it alot aswell You can believe that Fallen will be #2 good for u but he wont we will see l8ter
2017-12-08 17:52
Last year they won 2 majors, okay. But this year they have stayed longer as top1 than last year, and this year they have won more championships than last year, including Fallen said they won a more difficult championship than the major
2017-12-08 18:00
The top2 will depend on the result of this final faze vs. SK
2017-12-08 18:01
Thats your opinion
2017-12-08 18:02
Did you forget that most of the championships that SK won, the contribution of fallen was fundamental?
2017-12-08 18:02
Almost all of their wins with felps about 4 or 5 ? Fallen sucked dick
2017-12-08 18:04
2017-12-08 18:03
#17
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Netherlands melajr112 
DEVICE? the award for the best joke 2k17 goes to....
2017-12-07 21:31
yes, all know, goatzera #1 now we want watch who goes stay in #2
2017-12-07 21:32
#36
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
+1
2017-12-07 22:11
God Olof says it all. The best must win. Regarding skills, personally, I think they are fairly similar, I'd even include S1mple here. Now, game awareness + and clutch potential Coldzera all the way. youtu.be/tNlhGVDRFgI?t=3s
2017-12-07 21:31
Hahahaha how ppl can compere Cold who won everything with ratio 1,50, to niko who never did a quarter on majors?
2017-12-07 21:33
#34
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
+1
2017-12-07 22:11
#23
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Germany Tunio 
Cold>NiKO
2017-12-07 21:35
#35
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
+1
2017-12-07 22:11
+1
2017-12-08 18:16
rain
2017-12-07 21:43
#33
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
nt nt
2017-12-07 22:11
#26
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Poland RENGENiTo 
S1
2017-12-07 21:44
TOP 10 7 Players SK/FAZE 2 players AStralis 1 random Player
2017-12-07 21:46
#29
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United States Shadow272 
Tell me the 7 from sk/faze
2017-12-07 21:57
#46
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Netherlands Tensors 
Niko rain Olof guardian cold fer fallen
2017-12-08 11:05
#52
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United States Shadow272 
guardian and olof in 2k17 lol
2017-12-08 17:34
#55
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Netherlands Tensors 
you tell me who then taco? lmao
2017-12-08 17:37
#57
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United States Shadow272 
no, id just put fer cold fallen rain and niko as faze/sk top 10 hltv
2017-12-08 17:38
#49
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Netherlands Tensors 
2 from astralis will be Dupreeh/xyp and device and the random 1 will be s1mple
2017-12-08 11:06
s1mple
2017-12-07 21:59
#32
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Cold
2017-12-07 22:11
#40
nitr0 | 
Canada Surs 
cold, obviously
2017-12-08 05:03
s1mple>both
2017-12-08 05:09
#43
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Brazil NiiKK0O 
NiKoZera
2017-12-08 05:16
Cold, because he is better. Plain and simple. By the way, Faze MVP of this tournament thus far is Olof.
2017-12-08 05:24
#48
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands JeMoeder 
ChrisJ obviously /close
2017-12-08 11:05
#51
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Netherlands Tensors 
yes so ez for chris
2017-12-08 11:06
#50
s1mple | 
Russia iScorps 
lmao s1mple of course u retardinho
2017-12-08 11:06
#53
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United States Shadow272 
lol, he is not gonna win
2017-12-08 17:34
#95
s1mple | 
Russia iScorps 
who cares about ur trash events when s1mple has best aim
2017-12-08 18:19
+1 and best performances vs t1 teams this year
2017-12-08 19:43
Niko obv
2017-12-08 17:37
#61
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Romania Tise 
In terms of stats, I think Cold has the upper hand. This last event might aswell be the tiebreaker. Though I still think that the odds are in Cold's favour.
2017-12-08 17:41
#67
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Romania andi2k17 
faker
2017-12-08 17:52
#70
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Slovakia Shwarq 
s1mple #1 by skill s1mple#8 by hltv
2017-12-08 18:01
#103
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United States Shadow272 
the hltv rank is by year performance not whos better
2017-12-08 18:38
that's not true
2017-12-08 19:42
#123
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United States Shadow272 
lol that means that if a player didnt do shit at 2k17, but he is the best player in the world he is gonna win it?
2017-12-08 19:56
that means if a player drops top1 performances vs the best teams but his team can't win events he won't be in top2
2017-12-08 19:57
#127
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United States Shadow272 
i mean he didnt win shit, and hltv counts mvp, titles and stuff
2017-12-08 20:04
how can you get MVP when your team can't win tournaments?
2017-12-08 20:08
GODZERA
2017-12-08 18:07
rez
2017-12-08 18:09
Both GODS imposible to choose one
2017-12-08 18:16
NiKo isn't even Top 3.
2017-12-08 18:17
#94
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Spain akproxx 
cold niko fallen rest xdd also is niko win spl 6 mvp award he can be top 1
2017-12-08 18:18
#98
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Brazil hugoooo 
#1 will be cold and #2 will be NiKo, it's pretty clear and obvious.
2017-12-08 18:24
Here's your top 6 (100% confirmed) 1-Cold 2-NiKo 3-KennyS 4-FalleN 5-Device 6-Fer
2017-12-08 18:38
change fer to 4 instead and we are good
2017-12-08 19:45
s1mple top3
2017-12-08 19:43
#113
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Norway insy 
Cold
2017-12-08 19:44
#116
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Chile Cristoff 
Coldzera, it's pretty clear
2017-12-08 19:45
newfag = retarded
2017-12-08 19:53
#121
paz | 
Turkey paCelman 
NiKO BEST
2017-12-08 19:54
coldzera
2017-12-08 19:55
Cold ofc U have to be either dumb or a delusional Faze fan to think Niko is 1st
2017-12-08 19:58
Both incredible and so good to watch. 1a and 1b for me.
2017-12-08 20:00
It needs to be delusional to think Niko is better than cold. Even rain has higher impact on Faze.
2017-12-08 20:16
GODzera
2017-12-08 21:15
#133
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Austria iVolkan 
Just like CR7 and Messi. CR7 is winning the titles but Messi is the better player
2017-12-08 21:17
Nah, cr7 is more complete.
2017-12-09 02:15
#155
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Sweden Trkmag 
That is the perfect description
2017-12-09 17:08
monzera ofc
2017-12-08 21:23
#135
fnx | 
Brazil DroidNTC 
The real question is who is gonna be top 2? Fer or Niko...
2017-12-08 21:24
74CO, gla1ve ou carrygun will be top 1 for sure.
2017-12-09 02:14
#147
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Finland raivokkuus 
Cold will be #1, Niko will be #2 - the first two places are pretty much set in stone at this point. Around September-ish was the time when we could've had a legitimate debate about it - since up until that point, both players were around the same skill level and had similarly impressive performances throughout the year. In the latter few months of the year, though, cold has been noticeably better than Niko on average, and on the basis of that I'd say it's fair that he gets first place. People need to remember this is how a player performs during a year, and not simply about peak skill level. If that were the case, Niko would beat cold, and s1mple would beat both of them - and I am almost 100% sure that this year's rankings will not reflect that. What's worth discussing is who will come 3rd-5th. rain/FalleN/kennyS/Fer are all top contenders, with players like s1mple and dev1ce coming in close behind. It'll be interesting to see who places where.
2017-12-09 03:06
imo it should be 3) fer 4) kennyS and the rest will be decided after ECS
2017-12-09 17:13
#156
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Sweden Trkmag 
Cold should be top1 in all fairness - but NiKo is the better player
2017-12-09 17:08
really tough question. cold is very skilled but hes not flashy player. most of his frags didnt even noticed by people and when it comes to clutch, hes MUCH BETTER than niko niko is just unbelievable, his aim is better than cold ofc, his playingstyle is really entertaining but sometimes he needs his team performs well to get better eVen he needs rain to perform well
2017-12-09 17:16
#162
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Russia AlexMove 
Cold I think
2017-12-09 17:49
#172
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Spain Ali3nigena 
how wins more tournaments wins thats it xdd
2017-12-09 19:55
#173
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Brazil zptz 
CHANGE THE POST TO TACO/NIKO
2017-12-09 20:47
+100000000000
2017-12-10 21:47
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