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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
what do u guys think about the NA cs? what they need to become better? Give me solutions to teams like: Liquid, NRG, ex-CLG, Rise Nation. (C9 ? maybe, up to you) PS: Some times there is no need to change the players, just say they need to focus more on i have bad english meh :(
2017-12-08 01:33
no swag no party
2017-12-08 01:35
#3
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
i still dont know if hes good
2017-12-08 01:38
#8
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Portugal Zedonp 
he is good, but i don't think he is good enough to consistently carry NA players on the higher lvl nowadays.
2017-12-08 01:44
Hes lost a step since the ban. Doesnt look as other worldly as he once did but I think in the right team he would be very good. Hes a top 20 NA player IMO
2017-12-08 03:55
#2
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Czech Republic Puget 
import t2 europeans
2017-12-08 01:38
nego drama, entre o sucesso e a lama
2017-12-08 01:39
#5
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
yes :)
2017-12-08 01:42
#6
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Brazil VeryFakeGuy 
br fakeflagger detected
2017-12-08 01:44
Have a fake day. -VeryFakeGuy
2017-12-08 02:26
The main problem we have in cs is the huge lack of IGLs, we got good fraggers but good IGLs are just considered almost nonexistent here .-., only exceptions would be seangares, DaZeD, steel, Stanislaw, nitr0 and adreN
2017-12-08 01:44
#9
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
thats what i thought, same as awpers
2017-12-08 01:46
#77
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United States pieceofpi 
AWPers to a lesser extent. We have Skadoodle, Jdm, ShahZam, ptr, koosta, Nifty, Snakes, and Wardell as primaries, with Stewie2k, tarik, autimatic, Yay, and Davey as secondaries. IGL's are much harder to come by for sure
2017-12-08 06:09
#14
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Canada PyroOOF 
Some of them aren't even utilized either. Stan is jobless, adreN isn't even IGLing for Mythic, and DaZed retired. Dazed probably could have been a decent coach or even a decent player if he hadn't tried to be a main awper.
2017-12-08 01:55
#19
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Estonia Athreos 
Steel would actually give NA a chance at winning a major if he joined C9 or Liquid imo
2017-12-08 01:58
steel is already on team liquid isn’t he??
2017-12-08 02:08
#57
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United States Sp1Ce_ 
or isnt he the banned one?
2017-12-08 02:44
#10
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United States Htael 
NA has a lot of orgs and a lot of good players, the problem is that they arent all on one team
2017-12-08 01:52
#11
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
can u build 3 good teams from NA ? to face atleast G2 (since g2 is perfoming badly)
2017-12-08 01:53
#12
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United States Htael 
I think if Team Liquid get a good awper they could take on anybody they wanted
2017-12-08 01:55
#15
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
look at #9 idk any awper available for liquid
2017-12-08 01:56
#17
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United States Htael 
yeah none are really available. Rickeh would be great imo
2017-12-08 01:56
#18
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
ill watch him more carefully, a lot of people saying good stuff about him
2017-12-08 01:57
#21
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Estonia Athreos 
Rickeh or Nifty
2017-12-08 01:59
#53
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Germany ZMTL 
Cerq is eventually an idea... But I just don't wanna see jdm part ways with TL... He's just like a 'main member' which u don't want to change... Just like Nitr0 and EliGE, they're already so long in this team (ok jdm only for 1 year or smth but still long)... But u also don't wanna change heavy fraggers like Twistzz and Steel (ok steel is maybe not the best bit he could help nitr0 with igl'ing) And Ska is just crap... Jdm can at least get 42 drags against SK... He just needs his form from 2016 back, where he was the best Awper NA (respectively)
2017-12-08 02:37
#71
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North America bloodwolf1710 
probably atleast 2 and the 3rd team would have spotty placing but every once in a while would make playoffs and pick up some upsets
2017-12-08 03:57
#13
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Portugal Zedonp 
alot of tier2 players with tier 5 brain capacity. No thinking and just shooting=getting rekt by organized EU teams with decent tactics
2017-12-08 01:55
#20
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United States Htael 
bad b8 m8
2017-12-08 01:59
#23
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Portugal Zedonp 
where? its true that most of your pro player base has no place in tier 1 tournaments, maybe you could make 2 decent teams but even these teams would strugle to win tournaments consistently. In no way NA has players to compete agaisnt the top5 teams
2017-12-08 02:01
#25
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
same as brazilian cs dude, we have some good players, but 0 teamplay
2017-12-08 02:02
#31
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Portugal Zedonp 
yeah but SK is consitently top3 so you dont need to look for more players or changes
2017-12-08 02:07
#33
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
brazilian cs isnt just about SK, id love to see 5 brazilian teams in the top5 haha (dream)
2017-12-08 02:07
#41
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Portugal Zedonp 
of course, i would love to see just one portuguese team. See how lucky you are xD
2017-12-08 02:18
#42
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United States Keter 
At least someone admits it.
2017-12-08 02:19
#48
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
yea, sure idk about you north americans, but we in brazil, support lg,sk, immt, ex-immt
2017-12-08 02:29
#27
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
wtf, EliGe,RUSH,Stewie,Shroood(papa), autimatic,tarik, good players c´mon
2017-12-08 02:03
#32
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Portugal Zedonp 
>shrood >good players pls choose none
2017-12-08 02:07
#81
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United States pieceofpi 
he was amazing when he actually cared
2017-12-08 06:11
#16
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Estonia Athreos 
Steel unbanned, also no awpers at the same level as the likes of Kenny, Oskar, Fallen etc consistently
2017-12-08 01:57
#22
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
awpers and good igl imo
2017-12-08 02:00
#26
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Estonia Athreos 
I think Misfits could be the best team in NA if they had Elige and Twistzz because of seangares actually giving them tactics
2017-12-08 02:04
#28
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
Misfits surprised me a lot, which players do you think to kick from misfits ? to put Elige and Twistz
2017-12-08 02:05
#61
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Brazil mstrYODA1337 
i woudn't kick anyone to put elige and twistzz,of course,they are good AF,but i like misfits in the way that is now,so i woudn't kick anyone,but if i had to,i would kick sick for twistzz and devo for elige
2017-12-08 02:53
Kicking devoduvek is most probably the dumbest option considering Amanek might underperform or decide to leave. Kick sick for twistzz, keep elige on liquid, give misfits more time in EU. The best option is probably to just let them be. The mindset is the problem in NA anyways.
2017-12-08 06:07
#78
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Turkey rusty james 
kick sick? he is their best player lmao
2017-12-08 06:10
expected from turk.
2017-12-08 06:10
#82
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United States pieceofpi 
As much as I like him, he's still really raw as a player. He can aim and clutch super well, but he isn't too good in chaotic moments, such as executing on a bombsite. Twistzz is definitely the better player overall, but if misfits ever did make a change, they'd have to either kick or keep both devoduvek and AmaNEk. They're basically a bonded pair at this point. If they were kicked (or moved back to EU, whatever) +Twistzz and EliGE would be the best possibility
2017-12-08 06:17
#85
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Turkey rusty james 
you do realize he was the best player of the team this epl season. he was also the highrt ranked na player. first 20 weeks he was top of the charts and is the actual reason they are in the finals. shahzam is always inconsistent. frenchies are aite. amanek goo. im still not sold on deoduvek. there are far better na players they can get thsn them. also twistz was once in this team. why woul he return to a lower team. liquid is a better team as of now. the only thing they can do is to get brehze and nahte for the frenchies. and if they can manage get naf and nifty for shah and sean.
2017-12-08 13:51
#86
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United States pieceofpi 
Trust me, I watch most of their games, I know who has the most impact and plays the best. I've also been watching this team since they formed in January with Twistzz and Relyks, and it's clear that while yes, they've had better results since the roster swap, Twistzz was undeniably better than SicK. Granted, he's come quite a long way since then. He was already a great aimer, but if you look at the earlier games for this lineup, he had a bad habit of overextending, which he still does from time to time. Twistzz was always the smarter one in-game, which is why he was chosen for liquid and not SicK. And yes, I know twistzz and elige will never leave liquid for misfits, I was saying the best option, not the most realistic.
2017-12-08 18:10
#24
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North America Krulcifer 
Liquid Skadoodle Elige Steel IGL Nitro Twistzz C9 Stewie2 Autimatic Tarik Rush FNS (Either Tarik Or Stewie can become main awp ) Ex-Clg Koosta Nahte N0thing Stanislaw Freakazoid Rise Nation VSA Ace Azk Swag NA Steel
2017-12-08 02:10
#29
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
Liquid Skadoodle Elige Steel IGL ----- Who ? Nitro Twistzz
2017-12-08 02:06
#35
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North America Krulcifer 
BR Steel who was leading Immortals when they almost won the major
2017-12-08 02:09
#36
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
it was boltz
2017-12-08 02:10
#38
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
what?
2017-12-08 02:15
#39
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North America Krulcifer 
hes a ingame leader he can lead
2017-12-08 02:16
#40
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
he can, but the point is that boltz was igl in the pgl
2017-12-08 02:17
#45
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North America Krulcifer 
Thats understandable but why did you put this Steel IGL ----- Who ? were you questioning his abilities as a IGL or? also what do you think of the other teams
2017-12-08 02:22
#46
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
''Steel IGL ----- Who ? '' there are 2 steels in the NA scene ex-CLG is bad i think Koosta is bad and idk how freak is playing
2017-12-08 02:24
#62
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Brazil mstrYODA1337 
seangares would be good
2017-12-08 02:53
#30
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Estonia Athreos 
Liquid: steel Elige nitr0 Rickeh Twistzz C9: tarik RUSH autimatic Stewie2k Nifty
2017-12-08 02:06
#73
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North America bloodwolf1710 
nifty is so overated
2017-12-08 03:59
I wouldn't change Rise as they have stuck together for a long time now and have been constantly improving.
2017-12-08 02:51
#70
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North America Krulcifer 
Thats fair Thoughts on the other ones
2017-12-08 03:56
Jdm > koosta. Other than that it's ok
2017-12-08 05:57
#72
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North America bloodwolf1710 
tarik is bad with awp would never be able to do well with it consistently. Stewie on the other hand is on another level than any other awp in NA.
2017-12-08 03:58
#43
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Poland raaVz 
Top 1 NA SeasG@res - IGL / Awper Stew - Entry Twistzz EliGe Autimatic
2017-12-08 02:19
#49
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
whoa, good team
2017-12-08 02:29
If the old IBUYPOWER wasn't banned, I think NA CS might have won a few tournaments by now, as if they weren't banned, the new team would have been DaZeD, Hiko, Swag, AZK, and n0thing i believe, which would have been insane.
2017-12-08 02:19
#50
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
idk about how DaZed has been playing, either AZK, Swag and n0thing. But Hiko is bad atm
2017-12-08 02:30
i mean back then they could have done something, that was gonna be their lineup if they weren't banned.
2017-12-08 02:38
#56
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United States aust9n 
he is saying that if they never got banned and have been playing the whole time with that roster, back when hiko and n0thing were pretty good.
2017-12-08 02:44
#51
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Uruguay WTFX 
Jks Nifty NAF Twistzz Stewie2k
2017-12-08 02:31
#52
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Spain Ywach 
It's a lack of good IGLs and top teams wanting to work with those people like seangares & FNS or them being banned, such as steel, if I were to make a dream team then it'd have to include NA steel I think that the man is a genius when it comes to Counter-Strike and would be up there with the top EU in-game leaders if it weren't for his ban. Seangares is good too, as we're seeing with Misfits. There's also a lack of awpers that can match up to some of the best European and BR guys except for Skadoodle and arguably hahzam and Nifty if they're playing well which is rare. There's definitely a lot of really talented riflers that can match up with most of the top players in Europe, but there's no one that's quite as good as your coldzeras and nikos. An ideal roster for me would be one containing NA steel as the in-game leader, but Sean could certainly cut it and I think Nifty is promising too, not just as an awper but as an in-game leader too, since joining Renegades they've looked better than any Australian team ever has and adding NAF was even better. There's an argument to be made that Rickeh replacing jdm in Liquid would be an improvement and that'd cement them as the best team in NA because they'd have a consistent awper who has more impact than JDM did, and they'd have a good in-game leader in BR steel, C9 are mostly fine but don't have enough the depth a d structure to fall back on that Liquid do and we saw that in the semifinals of Oakland when they got crushed, it'd also be helpful to have an awper you can rely on to always do his job which Skadoodle certainly isn't. Tarik isn't a terrible IGL and the family t he frags so well on top of it certainly helps but like I said he doesn't provide the depth that someone as experienced at in-game leading like Josh or Sean would add in his place, for that you really would need an impactful awper to make up for the firepower you'd be losing though.
2017-12-08 02:35
i agree fully.
2017-12-08 02:39
#58
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Spain Ywach 
I'm surprised someone actually read all that, just wanted to explain all my thoughts thoroughly and I think I did that so thanks, there's a lot of talent in the NA scene and it'd be nice to one day see a real structural team like Misfits be able to stand up to the best European teams consistently, they've shown a lot of improvement lately. I'm rooting for them to make it in the major qualifier but it's a very stacked qualifier, gonna be a very tough job and they're probably one of the NA teams that'd actually be better off in a BO3 against some of these qualifier teams.
2017-12-08 02:50
#63 I forgot to reply under the post and just made a new one by accident, there is my response.
2017-12-08 03:06
#83
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United States pieceofpi 
A lot of people don't pay attention to it, but misfits are the most EU-styled NA team in terms of structure and strats. Obviously, I pay close attention to most of their games, and usually them losing comes down to either a) getting outskilled, or b) a few simple mistakes that start to add up. They play pretty much every map on a regular basis, which is why they're definitely a good BO3 team, unlike most mid-tier NA teams. They have a real chance against Hellraisers, especially if they don't make too many mistakes
2017-12-08 06:25
#60
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Austria FURT1 
Just take: Nifty - Awper Seang@res - IGL Automatic - Lurk Stewie2k - Entry Elige - Rifler and there you have the NA Superteam in my opinion
2017-12-08 02:51
#64
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Brazil mstrYODA1337 
+1
2017-12-08 02:55
i mean, misfits have shown that they are good in BO1s, as they are doing great at ESL pro league finals, but I also think they can beat HR in a BO3. as for the major qualifier, I think that they can make it through, but it will be very tough. I think the IGL problem with NA is due to people not willing to put in the work like teams from Europe or Brazil are. If they did that, and had more committed IGL's like Sgares, then they would be on the EU level.
2017-12-08 02:54
#68
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Spain Ywach 
Yeah, Misfits and Renegades are actually my favourite NA teams by far. I definitely think Misfits can qualify for the major, maybe even upsetting some teams to get there but the whole qualifier is stacked due to Krakow being such a failure for a lot of good teams and BIG managing to get a legend spot really fucked it over. I'm not sure where I put them against HR because I haven't seen much from their new lineup and sean only has the group games to analyze to prepare for them.
2017-12-08 03:15
#65
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Netherlands flames333 
a team with only NA players
2017-12-08 03:01
GX 2018 to win everything GX Steel Swag Moose Subroza nathE
2017-12-08 03:09
Import European players, start recruiting younger / unproven talent and mold them into professionals instead of old players who've had countless years to prove their worth and haven't been able to to do so.
2017-12-08 06:06
Ban NA players from streaming
2017-12-08 06:11
It's funny when SK is doing bad, SK fans want the players to stream less and practice more, NA fans are the opposite, they suck the players dick going like "you will win next time" and then ask them to stream. Shroud was a prime example of it, the first thing he did after coming back from lans was opening a stream.
2017-12-08 06:38
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