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"cold is better than NiKo cos he has two majors"
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Germany FaZeUPkids 
"cold is better than NiKo cos he has two majors" Funny how the same fans would lose their shit if you applied that logic to who the best IGL must be. I guess it must be pronax, who has 3, right? :> #FanLogic
2017-12-13 18:56
#1
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Brazil SP1ND 
LOL
2017-12-13 18:57
#105
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Brazil FuRiouSzZ 
"cold is better than NiKo cos he has two majors" WTF ? cold don't need majors to be better than NiKo cold without majors, without hands, and with his monitor turned off, is still better than NiKo NiKo is frequently choking, just like he did in the last final, finishing first half with 1/14... LUL The only place where NiKo is TOP 1 is in the "JOKE RANKING"
2017-12-13 21:29
#109
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/35676/.. hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/34552/.. hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/32042/.. even best player in world has bad games sometimes, not good logic. Not saying coldzera isn't top 1atm but NiKo is most definitely considered top 1 at times this year.
2017-12-13 21:36
#110
NiKo | 
India Sishir 
Loooooool. The finals were the only time Niko choked. Just check the stats of both the players in the last 6 months. Niko's ratings are hitting the roofs. Cold choked the whole tournament. It was Taco who stepped up. It was fer who played real consistently. The way Cold is playing even Rain is a better player than he is. And Niko is one of the most if not the most talented player ever came on the CSGO scene. He's far more aggressive than cold. Cold is certainly the best along with Niko but he's way too passive and disciplined. Moreover Cold has a better game sense. But Niko has more skill overall.
2017-12-13 21:42
#116
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Brazil FuRiouSzZ 
Don't be delusional, don't deny facts. Assumptions don't bring titles, facts do. The guy is a mad fragger, untill they face some danger, then the choke starts. In the game that matters, let's see his stats. ESL Pro League Season 6 Finals Final x SK > K/D = -6 / Rating = 0.97 Blast Pro Series 2017 Must win game: NiP > K/D = +0 / Rating = 0.96 IEM Oakland 2017 Final x NIP > K/D = +22 / Rating = 1.15 EPICENTER 2017 Playoffs fight x SK > K/D = -3 / Rating = 1.07 ELEAGUE CS:GO Premier 2017 Final x Astralis > K/D = +8 / Rating = 1.20 ESL One New York 2017 Final x Astralis > K/D = +37 / Rating = 1.74 DreamHack Masters Malmö 2017 Playoffs fight x SK > K/D = -1 / Rating = 1.05 PGL Major Krakow 3 Games Group Stage > K/D = +8 / Rating = 1.15 (Best one 1.39 against FlipSide) ESL One Cologne 2017 Semi-Final x SK > K/D = -7 / Rating = 0.83 ECS Seson 3 Finals Final x SK > K/D = +10 / Rating = 1.19 IEM Sidney 2017 Final x SK > K/D = +9 / Rating = 1.12 StarLadder i-League StarSeries Season 3 Final x Astralis > K/D = -4 / Rating = 0.98 IEM Katowice 2017 Final x Astralis > K/D = +0 / Rating = 1.15 If you get the average of that you'll have KD +5 and Rating 1.12 And i'm not even stating the fact the "GREAT TOP1" went 1/14 in the last finals...If you wanna be top 1, you can't choke this hard in the most important series. Sure his talent is undeniable, but it's not enough for top 1.
2017-12-13 23:05
rekt
2017-12-14 00:30
#2
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Brazil 74CO 
lol cry is free, my friend
2017-12-13 18:58
#8
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Russia Ozzy_Osbourne 
FAZE IS THE BEST TEAM IN THR WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!! #FAZEUP
2017-12-13 19:02
#13
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Brazil 74CO 
2017-12-13 19:03
#25
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Russia Ozzy_Osbourne 
Faze is the best team in the woooooorrrrllld!!!!!!!!!!!
2017-12-13 19:07
#26
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Brazil 74CO 
nt: thorin XDDDDDD
2017-12-13 19:07
#30
felps | 
Brazil RhoX1337 
lost 3 finals against sk ''best team in the world'' HAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAHHHAHAHHA
2017-12-13 19:09
#34
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Russia Ozzy_Osbourne 
Jebaited
2017-12-13 19:11
They've played them once with this lineup, I guess Fnatic is just lightyears better than SK since they 16-0'd them once
2017-12-13 19:30
fnatic 2k17 4Head
2017-12-13 20:06
You just made my point...
2017-12-13 20:14
autistic point
2017-12-13 20:41
#3
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Japan Snute 
A lot of people are mentioning how cold has like, you know, 53 tournament MVPs too. He is just a plain better player overall. The statistics doesn't lie. Sincerely, Snute
2017-12-13 19:00
#37
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Portugal FiZzYgAy 
This is Snute. Snute is a fan of FaZe Snute dosn't mock brazilian players Snute knows when he's right and when is wrong Be like Snute #RespectForSnute
2017-12-13 19:13
#39
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Japan Snute 
*waves at the camera* *winks, and gives a cheeky smile* *applause from the crowd* "Thank you, guys" - Snute, 2017
2017-12-13 19:16
Snute, you are my idol !!
2017-12-13 19:21
#49
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Japan Snute 
*signs my autograph on your forehead*
2017-12-13 19:24
#94
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Germany Sp1nne 
Dicks out for Snute
2017-12-13 20:45
+1
2017-12-13 19:18
#4
Kvik | 
Lithuania YungDavid 
lol FaZe and SK are both equally Cancer.
2017-12-13 18:59
#7
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Japan Snute 
"fan of MANS NOT HOT"
2017-12-13 19:01
#29
Kvik | 
Lithuania YungDavid 
''fan of FaZe''
2017-12-13 19:08
#32
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Japan Snute 
FaZe: #2 MANS NOT HOT: #???
2017-12-13 19:10
#38
Kvik | 
Lithuania YungDavid 
Congratz, youre almost winners!
2017-12-13 19:15
#40
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Japan Snute 
Congratz, you are not even close! *queue laughtrack*
2017-12-13 19:17
Well i guess were both losers, just that mans not hots fanbase isnt toxic.
2017-12-14 00:05
#127
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Japan Snute 
you started this, mister
2017-12-14 14:15
#5
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Germany GiiGa88 
Atleast cold can get out of groups in major
2017-12-13 19:00
#6
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Germany FaZeUPkids 
"It wouldn't mean as much for FaZe to win the major if SK doesn't have boltz" By the same logic it doesn't mean as much for SK to win Blast since Astralis didn't have device, in fact it's much worse in the Astralis example. Fair is fair.
2017-12-13 19:01
#10
Zer0X | 
Serbia Niftyy 
stop copying thoorins tweets lol
2017-12-13 19:02
#11
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Germany FaZeUPkids 
but you see how those kiddos got baited by dat shit lol
2017-12-13 19:03
#12
Zer0X | 
Serbia Niftyy 
yeah it's nice to see, i agree with thoorin though no matter how much faze dicks he sucks
2017-12-13 19:03
#14
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Germany GiiGa88 
What do cold and niko have to do with boltz and astralis and what does a major have to do with a random lan event?
2017-12-13 19:04
#17
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Germany FaZeUPkids 
retarded "still live in past" envyus fan spotted h e r e
2017-12-13 19:04
#28
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Germany GiiGa88 
'' oh, this guy is not a fan of a team that pays big money to get the best players and still cant win consistently'' You are retarded to cheer for face, they play boring cs and there is no likeable guy in the team, a team without personalities The only likeable player is olof
2017-12-13 19:08
#36
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Germany FaZeUPkids 
"boring cs" comes from fan that team used autocamp to win vs 5man mix from G2 esports back in 2015
2017-12-13 19:11
#19
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Spain TheAgeHero 
Using the tweets of thoorin all the time LuL U now how to make and connect words?
2017-12-13 19:05
#21
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Germany FaZeUPkids 
Brazil still using internet explorer in their favela? #10
2017-12-13 19:05
#15
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Brazil maionezi 
2017-12-13 19:04
Cold 10% impact kills Niko 90% impact kills /close
2017-12-13 21:36
#111
tarik | 
Brazil Flepo 
Yeah, i saw it at Sidney, Epicenter and mainly EPL too :>
2017-12-13 21:41
#113
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Brazil surfin 
1/14 #NeverForget
2017-12-13 21:43
#115
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Germany VeryFancyGuy 
7-1 16-14 BRA71L<GERMANY #neverforget
2017-12-13 21:52
#18
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Brazil fefealzueta 
that is a bad argument, but Cold is better than Niko
2017-12-13 19:05
#23
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Poland tonyyy 
Because cold was showing up in crucial moments NiKo can 1 deag some noobs in group stage and then be with stats on - in first playoffs map lol.
2017-12-13 19:06
FalleN is much better at fragging than Pronax though
2017-12-13 19:07
Free is cry, friend my
2017-12-13 19:09
#33
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
It's pretty much surmounted that Coldzera will be number 1 this year... After winning the MVP of the most recent Major Event; it's practically a given that, this year anyway, Coldzera is better than NiKo statistically. Have a good day and reported for baiting.
2017-12-13 19:10
#43
NiKo | 
Macedonia L3023R 
I agree dude. hope there are more people like you *cough* i mean us in this community.
2017-12-13 19:19
#47
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Haha, well I'm just stating what;s common sense. ^^ I assure you there are fantastic users on this site alike yourself. ^^ Have a good day.
2017-12-13 19:22
#48
NiKo | 
Macedonia L3023R 
On this site almost nobody has common sense. Does that make it rare sense? I am joking.
2017-12-13 19:23
#50
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
You'll find a lot of users have common sense, it's just unheard of because it's drowned out by incompetence and baits/trolls.
2017-12-13 19:24
#52
NiKo | 
Macedonia L3023R 
Yeah.
2017-12-13 19:25
#74
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Slovakia Krafko 
Hello Jonty04l32 from the United Kingdom, I entirely agree with your opinion and facts, basically. The thing with NiKo is that he is 2.3 years (837 days) younger than coldzera, so he still has some time to be better and stuff. :)
2017-12-13 19:48
#76
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Haha, no need for such formalities, friend. ^^ Otherwise, you're absolutely right. Fans of NiKo will oppose the fact that Coldzera will be number 2 this year, but it's practically paramount given he won the MVP award of a major event.
2017-12-13 19:50
#82
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Slovakia Krafko 
I always formally introduce the conversation, and then in responses talk "normally." But to the topic, I made some statistics, really "noob-ish" ones, but I think they capture that coldzera is better. coldzera --- 3rd /// 5th-8th at Valve sponsored CS:GO majors coldzera --- 8x 1st /// 1x 2nd /// 4x 3rd placements in tournaments (without majors) coldzera --- I think has better 2.0 rating in most of the matches he has played coldzera --- 5 MVPs at tournaments NiKo --- 2x group stage at Valve sponsored CS:GO majors NiKo --- 4x 1st /// 5x 2nd /// 2x 3rd placements in tournaments (without majors) NiKo --- 2 MVPs at tournaments
2017-12-13 20:00
#83
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Honestly this post should be framed for whenever another topic like this one exists again. :) Perfect, in my opinion. Good job! Have a good day. :)
2017-12-13 20:03
#84
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Slovakia Krafko 
Thanks Jonty04l32, The statistics are just by looking at his profile, and I don't have any statistics about his playing, impact and other shit, but I still think coldzera is better in that too. Anybody could do the statistics, but they just are too lazy and "ignoring of the facts." Have a good day too!
2017-12-13 20:05
#97
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Nepal Arkhangels 
nice post.... :D
2017-12-13 21:21
cold better, because he has skill brain aim, NiKo has aim dats all P.S 1/14 mirage
2017-12-13 19:11
#42
NiKo | 
Macedonia L3023R 
Not really..Yes we get it, you're a fake FaZe fan or a delusional one that has no respect for other team but sometimes you have to accept the truth and respect others... NiKo is amazing, definitely top2 this year at least in my eyes, SK is the best team this year, but HLTV rankings may think otherwise if FaZe wins ECS... I don't really understand the ranking that much cause i never care about it, i just watch the game and have fun. But yes the major argument is pretty relevant, but it still doesn't make coldzera worse as he is the best player this year, just respect him.
2017-12-13 19:19
i dont think anyone ever said that... cold is a better player than niko cause he constantly outperforms him
2017-12-13 19:20
#46
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Brazil maximoff66 
Cold is better because he's better,end. Cold top1 Niko top1-14
2017-12-13 19:22
#51
Brazil dng0 
He has much more tournaments than NiKo, not only two majors lmao. Also he doesn't choke, never went 0-3 on a major. Always beat NiKo in BO3s/BO5s. Anyway, winning tournaments isn't the only criteria. We have rating/K-D, and pronax is obviously not even top 30 in terms of skill, can't even play at a tier 4 level nowadays, while coldzera and NiKo have the best numbers out of all players, playing at the highest level possible. But coldzera is on the top since the beggining of 2016, consistently facing top tier teams and performing good. NiKo was not even top 10 last year overall(skill + tournaments), and coldzera not only played better this year, but he also won more tournaments and NiKo choked when the stakes were higher. Not to mention he got more MVPs. Remember, coldzera dropped two 35 bombs in regular time on the major. If it wasn't for him, SK would be out in groups. NiKo choked hard, just like he did again against SK. That's the "fan logic". I honestly don't know why people even try to compare them, when it's obvious who is the best. The "braindead fan logic" is obviously on FaZe's fans side
2017-12-13 19:28
#53
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Brazil VoxLibertatis 
Cold is better than niko because he allways crash niko, simple. fuck majors
2017-12-13 19:25
Cold is better than Niko simply because it is
2017-12-13 19:26
getting stupid arguments to justify cold fans bein unreanasable is stupid cold is better than niko cuz he has better skill, better impact and never choke on finals =p niko is groupstageGOD and disappear in finals thats why... =D
2017-12-13 19:28
#64
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Slovakia Krafko 
Hello IarentThinkThatz from Brasil, I respect your opinion, and I also think coldzera is better than NiKo. BUT the thing is, NiKo is 2.3 (837 days) years younger than coldzera, and is already competing with him for the top #1 player in the world, so that is something to say.
2017-12-13 19:36
thats 100% irrelevant. cold is a star since he joined LG, he joined, first tournment was a major, he got legends and mad stats already... niko was way better on mouz in terms of skill, he just cant think fast enough against tier teams, he loses almost all the clutches, choke on aim, everything... he isnt a "rookie", he has around the same experience as cold in terms of high level cs, he just cant go head to head with cold lol, till now, he never went head to head every single time SK played against faze... just facts
2017-12-13 19:39
#67
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Slovakia Krafko 
Like I said, coldzera is better than NiKo, but he still has time. I never went to argue about stats and that shit.
2017-12-13 19:40
I agree, but I dont really think he has a chance, only possible chance he has is cold retiring or losing focus... rain is more dangerous, olof is more dangerous etc, niko is just the "name" cuz he was a superstar on mouz when he had no pressure, he plays second contact a lot, he is on the good position to get mad stats on faze, but he is just choking at big games... you cant be the best while choking, olof, guardian, rain plays the same way on big stage, they never choke. so to me they are better than niko on going head to head with the best players... impact counts a lot... on the other hand niko is miles ahead of someone like s1mple for example, that will get more stats than everyone but will deliver rounds by being stupid lol niko is one of the best cuz the guy is smart af, he knows how to manage man advantage etc, he just chokes on pressure situations, thats all, thats the difference between him and cold, only that
2017-12-13 19:43
#71
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Slovakia Krafko 
Kinda agree. Have a good day, Mr. IarentThinkThatz. :)
2017-12-13 19:46
thank for being this polite, well known and respected persan my friend <3
2017-12-13 19:47
#75
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Slovakia Krafko 
I am a well known and respected person? S2 A brazilian guy told me, that S2 in Brazil is equivalent to a heart, so I'll use it when talking with brazilians. Is is true though? :D
2017-12-13 19:50
yes =D as you can see looks like a heart xd
2017-12-13 19:52
#79
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Slovakia Krafko 
I don't really see it, but if you guys see it as that, I will use it. :)
2017-12-13 19:52
S2
2017-12-13 20:10
#57
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Austria FURT1 
The problem is pronax is one if not the best IGL in CS:GO maybe not in the last years but from 2013-2015 he was the best by far
2017-12-13 19:31
thorin fanboy detected honestly, i think niko is more skilled than cold, but cold just manages to rek every team without being flashy, sooooo
2017-12-13 19:35
#61
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Slovakia Krafko 
Hello FaZeUPkids from Germany, I respect your opinion, but I think coldzera is better than NiKo, and I like FaZe Clan more than SK Gaming. BUT the thing is, NiKo is 2.3 (837 days) years younger than coldzera, and is already competing with him for the top #1 player in the world, so that is something to say.
2017-12-13 19:35
#62
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Brazil davidzor 
Ok Thorin
2017-12-13 19:35
true but niko isn't even as good as s1mple xD
2017-12-13 19:35
#65
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Portugal Zedonp 
Just cuz you apply the same logic that doesn't mean you are correct. Cold and niko are both tier 1 players the difference is one has more acheivements then the other (aka cold) so he is clearly the best. As for fallen and pronax we are talking about the igl of the nº1 team vs the igl of a tier 5 team. Pronax didn't win nything relevant with his teams while SK has remained top1 with fallen leading. Fallen is by far the best igl atm, maybe when pronax won the majors no one was contesting him for the top1 igl spot.
2017-12-13 19:38
calm down karrigan, you will win something in 2018! just be patience
2017-12-13 19:42
No one ever said that, he is better than Niko even without the majors.
2017-12-13 19:47
#77
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Germany FaZeUPkids 
#11 ayy lma0 so many retarded monkaS got baited
2017-12-13 19:52
#80
FalleN | 
Portugal Jkzzz 
Bro is not about te majors , its about the titles coldzera won this year and and the games he played. , he carryed SK só many times
2017-12-13 19:53
#81
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Germany FaZeUPkids 
"só" ayy favela
2017-12-13 19:53
#128
FalleN | 
Portugal Jkzzz 
Portugal *
2017-12-14 19:57
#129
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Germany FaZeUPkids 
=eu favela
2017-12-15 00:42
#85
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Brazil FuRiouSzZ 
nt thorin cucksucker.
2017-12-13 20:05
He isn't better because he has 2 majors, he is better because he is more versatile and more smart, and he doesn't shocking (1/14 in mirage never forget) in big games. that simple.
2017-12-13 20:10
#89
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Germany Devastor1337 
nt thoorin
2017-12-13 20:11
In t1 team Niko is very mediocre
2017-12-13 20:14
#95
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Germany Sp1nne 
Fer are rain are better than cold and niko /closed
2017-12-13 20:47
#117
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Brazil parpzz 
+1
2017-12-13 23:09
#96
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United States DemiFiend 
That is not why he is better
2017-12-13 21:12
thorin 2iq lul cold is better than niko regardless of if hes won 2 majors or not xd
2017-12-13 21:23
cold could still be better than niko even without won 2 majors
2017-12-13 21:25
Do people say that? They are wrong. Coldzera is better than niko for many reasons. Winning majors isn't one of them.
2017-12-13 21:25
"...if you applied that logic to who the best IGL must be. I guess it must be pronax, who has 3, right?" Well.... tactically that's probably true, and actually everybody knows that. Fallen is just more balanced between his tactical impact and fragging skills
2017-12-13 21:32
today fallen is probably the 2nd/3rd most tactical IGL among the top teams' IGLs, but he is the most impactful in terms of skill and in game mechanics(basically because most of the other IGLs are dogshit when fregging/Only shoxie can be comparable to him skillwise)
2017-12-13 21:31
s1mple > both so what's the matter
2017-12-13 21:27
#103
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Brazil FuRiouSzZ 
"cold is better than NiKo cos he has two majors" WTF ? cold don't need majors to be better than NiKo cold without majors, without hands, and with his monitor turned off, is still better than NiKo NiKo is frequently choking, just like he did in the last final, finishing first half with 1/14... LUL
2017-12-13 21:27
Cold is the #1 player in the world right now.
2017-12-13 21:27
the only one that could surpass cold was BnTeT, but he just died in a car accident some minutes ago, so RIP
2017-12-13 21:33
"coldzera is the best player ever, by far, but he also plays with two of the top five players in the world and his team is the best in history" #FanLogic
2017-12-13 21:42
#114
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Brazil gbz! 
Rain is better than NiKo. Cold ez top1
2017-12-13 21:49
#119
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Denmark vrs- 
2017-12-14 00:14
#120
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Germany felo 
Thoorin at his best, sad how nobody gets it.
2017-12-14 00:15
Flusha is better than cold cuz he has 3 majors
2017-12-14 00:33
Brazilians no discute this, we already know who is the TOP1 and best of all time, of course. This year 8 Titles 5 MVPS //close
2017-12-14 00:34
#126
fnx | 
Other cscrmn1 
Discute? Like bruhhh, you mean *discuss
2017-12-14 01:31
#125
fnx | 
Other cscrmn1 
Completely agree with Thorin. That is just the wrong way of comparing to players in this game.
2017-12-14 01:30
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