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Shox 2014 or Rain 2017
Europe ioannjr 
whos better?
2017-12-16 21:24
shox 2015
2017-12-16 21:24
shox 2015
2017-12-16 21:25
How many majors rain won?
2017-12-16 21:26
GuardiaN | 
Other wInt3r 
and we are again on this dumb logic...
2017-12-16 21:28
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
dumb logic is comparing 2014 to 2017.
2017-12-16 21:31
But It's not dumb when you compare who is best player from CS GO history Get Right,cold,shox,kennys,olof?
2017-12-16 21:32
It’s dumb GTR OLOF TOP1
2017-12-17 13:01
CMX | 
United States LuWi 
finally a Brazilian with a brain
2017-12-17 20:22
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Ukraine speecher 
Fifflaren got major, so: Fifflaren>Simple Fifflaren >Niko Fifflaren >Scream Right ?
2017-12-16 21:36
France ManuelFerrara 
Povazhayte svoho spivvitchyznyka, bud' laska
2017-12-16 21:38
Ukraine speecher 
nice google translate
2017-12-16 21:40
France ManuelFerrara 
yes lmao it sucks so hard but did u understand a little bit the meaning or not at all?
2017-12-16 21:40
Ukraine speecher 
it was pretty accurate, actually no mistakes
2017-12-16 21:41
France ManuelFerrara 
props to google translate then =D or u forgot the Kappa maybe :D
2017-12-16 21:42
Ukraine speecher 
no, really accurate first i even checked your flag)
2017-12-16 22:04
I knew someone will mention fifflaren or pronax. First, they are igls and cant be compared skillwise to other roles. Second, winning major is important factor, because it shows abillity to play under big pressure, and big players must have it. Rain disapears in important matches, thats the reason why he dont have major title, shox proved he can win till the end.
2017-12-17 00:02
fifflaren igl? just proves that you are a newfag
2017-12-17 00:15
? Fifflaren was igl since 2k12 through begining 2k14, retard.
2017-12-17 00:19
xizt was igl, fifflaren was support/awper
2017-12-17 00:22
Xizt took igl role just before IEM Katowice 2014. Fifflaren was igl since forming NiP, because he used to sucessfully igl in CSS.
2017-12-17 00:26
Macedonia AstralisGoat 
He's right after Fifflaren was the IGL for their major win and for most of the the early days of NiP in CS Go, when he started performing poorly they took him off IGL to focus more on fragging he never got better but they kept him for a really long time before kicking him.
2017-12-17 13:41
ur wrong man lol, Fiffy was the AWP/IGL
2017-12-17 15:18
flusha | 
Actually he might be better than scream.
2017-12-17 11:33
Ukraine speecher 
xD have you watched Fifflaren games ?
2017-12-17 12:16
mate im not serious. I was implying that scream has been shit in EnVy recently
2017-12-17 20:20
Portugal Focus1337iwnl 
Pronax won 3 majors so best in the world?
2017-12-16 21:45
Israel TheLoveGuy 
of course with avarage 11 - 89 kd
2017-12-16 22:24
Portugal Focus1337iwnl 
2017-12-16 23:22
Israel TheLoveGuy 
is this supposted to be funny ? tough man
2017-12-16 23:36
pronax is surely better igl than rain if we talk in that logic, otherwise I cant see point comparing those 2 players.
2017-12-17 00:04
Yes but i reply to a comment ho said Rain any major or something like this so i put Pronax in the conversation
2017-12-17 22:17
United States ARKTYC 
So that means flusha, KRIMZ and Pronax are better than Fer, Fallen and Coldzera
2017-12-17 11:38
flusha = GOD
2017-12-17 16:05
electronic fan LUL tier 3 team player
2017-12-17 11:40
BnTeT 2017
2017-12-16 21:27
shox btw
2017-12-16 21:27
Bntet btw
2017-12-16 21:34
true btw
2017-12-16 21:38
I thought shox btw Bntet btw
2017-12-16 21:38
btw btw 12
2017-12-17 00:27
JW | 
Sweden JW_top1 
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Spain Todd_Howard 
shox, obvious choice
2017-12-16 21:27
JW | 
Sweden JW_top1 
nice name, winter is coming
2017-12-17 00:30
shox 2014 lol
2017-12-16 21:28
Canada Surzz 
shox anytime before 2017 > rain 2017
2017-12-16 21:28
They are different tho. But i would choose shox 2014 (Early) because when he got to ldlc he was just and entry fragger. Watch Virtus.Pro vs titan in fragbite masters i think that was the series where shoxie had that insane awp ace on inferno. Rain's peak is high but cmon that early 2014 period was nasty.
2017-12-16 21:29
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
yeah and the glock ace against VP as well on dust 2
2017-12-17 12:54
Oh right
2017-12-17 13:31
Portugal martimmfpf 
GODFOX /close
2017-12-16 21:30
definietly Shox :v
2017-12-16 21:30
this is stupid rain is playing on a way harder meta get right was a god in the beggining he still the same player, the only difference is that the meta is harder and the players are better lol any top player from 2017 > top players from the past.
2017-12-16 21:30
Turkey SLendeRuLeZ 
This is the single most retarded post non HLTV, the in-game meta back then was relied in individual skill where fanatic managed to succeed, while the meta today its completely about team play and SK is doing good so far.
2017-12-16 21:35
for example: olof was a god, but he was a god finding plays on tuff situations, nowdays he isnt that good because on his playstyle he gets punished too much, cuz people already know how to counter it same goes to happy or get right for example even hiko was good back in the day, cuz they use to bait, and that type of style was fresh, so was tricky and they could win games by using that lol nowdays, the way people trade kill, rotate, make fakes etc, those guys are tier5, cuz they coudnt adapt to the new meta. thats why s1mple, olof, shox, hiko were 10x better back in the day and now they are bad against top teams. individual skill isnt everything nowdays lol
2017-12-16 22:18
For example 2 years in future some random 6-7 ranked team will be better than sk today. But calling them better than sk will be stupid. This whole argument of someone is better because he played at an easier meta is completely stupid. Shox had more achievments and also won a major in 2014. Case closed
2017-12-17 13:33
it depends on the meta... the only reason SK is the best team in history of csgo is, they adapt to every meta change since 2016, changing 1 player each time, no one could do this, teams come and go, and never survive too much meta changes, astralis and SK are the best teams in the world in long term. fnatic players still amazing af in 2017, when they played with the 2016 lineup, they coudnt win only against top teams, cuz the textbook cs fast trade kills slow map control just counter they loose style, if you pay attention, fnatic was the same team lol, is not like they started suck as individuals LUL they used to win against 90% of the teams, and only loose to the top teams =) so the meta gets harder and harder if you put ldlc that won the major, to play against SK today, on their form, they would get ultra stomped by SK, or faze or astralis not even comparable xD
2017-12-17 15:07
Thats what im saying but does that mean that ldlc is bad ? No Just as i said some 6-7 ranked team in future would beat todays sk but achievments always stay and no meta changes or roster changes can overwrite that. Having an argument of easier meta is not clever. Because Liquid of today would have probably beaten Sk in cologne for example.
2017-12-17 15:13
I never said the achievments of the old teams are gone LOL you are tripping
2017-12-17 15:15
"if you put ldlc that won the major, to play against SK today, on their form, they would get ultra stomped by SK, or faze or astralis " That basically saying it doesnt matter that they won the major because today's teams are better and ldlc wouldnt have won the major so because of different metas and todays teams are stronger and that means that ldlc's major is weak.
2017-12-17 15:17
no, that means that if the ldcl would get smashed today by SK, in any moment I said this makes their win invalid or something. learn how to read :> and yes. the 2014 meta IS weaker, thats a fact. strats that they used to do, the way they used to get map control at that map would never work against todays teams, not only against SK, against any team. with that said, for their time, they were good, I never said this makes their titles etc invalid lol 2014 to 2017 the meta changed 100% stuff like hard lurking, or fake with 1 min left on the round would never work nowdays, and their trade kill potentials were way slower, just different times the comparison on the topic is shox 2014 to rain 2017, thats why I'm putting this in context.
2017-12-17 15:20
What we really need to look at How good is rain in 2017 and how good is shox in 2014. Shox showed higher peak but rain was more consistent and it depends what you rate higher consistency/peak
2017-12-17 15:22
the thing is, ldlc was super loose nowdays loose teams dont even have a chance against people playing 2017 meta cuz the guys are way smarter, they know how to trade kills, how to get map controls with new strats, how to change the speed of the rounds, how to read the enemy etc look at c9, they are very skilled, but all aim no brain, cant even get 10 rounds winning 2 pistols against faze lol the right thing to compare would be, imagine 2017 rain on 2014 :> this is a stupid comparison, anyone who think someone with 2014 mind > 2017 mind = braindead or just gold nova LMAO
2017-12-17 15:27
Faze is kind of loose. "this is a stupid comparison, anyone who think someone with 2014 mind > 2017 mind = braindead or just gold nova LMAO" Did i say that ldlc is better than sk ? no i just think that Winning a major no matter what in any meta is amazing and teams/players should not be compared who is better because 3 years is a huge time. One way you can compare is by achievments and secondly by their stats against the best competition at that time. And for me personally what shox did in 2014 is more impressive than what rain did in 2017 and im not saying that shox had more skill than rain in 2017 im just saying that shox against his competition at that time looked a little bit worse than rain looked in 2017 but more importantly he won a major.
2017-12-17 15:33
you are tripping for example 2014 nip was good with get right hard lurking, people didnt realize how to play against that nip style yet, nip still strong af nowdays if you play that style you get ultra trashed by fucking... mouz, gambit, navi etc lol, everyone knows how to counter those old metas thats the point, people from 2017 would smash those guys for 2014 they were super good. but for 2014! :>
2017-12-17 15:34
You are tripping. Who the fuck compares team playstyles from 2014 and 2017 ? Of course teams from 2014 would be smashed like wtf. Greatness is measured what teams/individuals managed to do against the best of the best of their time. Meaning that if you win 10 tournaments in 2013 for example and winning 9 tournaments in 2017 the 2013 year would be more impressive because you managed to achieve more against best competition at that time. And in 2017 against the best competition you didnt manage to achieve same results. But would 2013 beat 2017 team ? No 2013 would probably not even score 10 rounds in a B03.
2017-12-17 15:41
oh right so by your logic, fnatic 2015 and SK 2017 are trash compared to nip, cuz nip went 87-0 very nice logic and very smart persan LMAO
2017-12-17 15:43
No. What i mean that Nip did best against their competition its not their fault that they were better than everyone else. Fnatic had the best run and they are the best csgo team. Sk 2017 ? lmao where is their major ? 2016 sk was better than 2017 sk
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2017-12-17 16:33
2016 Sk > 2017 Sk There is just something special about 2 majors than 0 majors
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2017-12-16 21:34
Man shox 2014 was called aimlock. Rain never been called aimlock. Shox 2014 was olof 2015 level in some maps
2017-12-16 21:35
nice londonezi
2017-12-16 22:26
flusha | 
shox 2014 = olof 2015. OKK
2017-12-17 11:35
Indian CS lel
2017-12-17 11:43
flusha | 
Its my opinion, im not saying anything about indian CS retard.
2017-12-17 11:44
you can't give opinion cuz you have no CS scene
2017-12-17 11:45
flusha | 
Im not giving opinion about Indian CS scene OK. Its shox & olof so even ur opinion doesnt count in that case.
2017-12-17 11:48
France ManuelFerrara 
lol how dare u
2017-12-16 21:36
Bosnia and Herzegovina discoK1ng 
2017-12-16 21:37
Sweden swediztann3 
Pronax got 3 majors so he is much better than coldzera. coldzera is noob only 2 majors pronax 3 xD pronax strong pro playah
2017-12-16 21:38
France ManuelFerrara 
+1 SWEDIZTANN3!!! pronax 0.77 rating BEST
2017-12-16 21:40
this is true idk why people say cold is better...
2017-12-16 22:06
cold is more consistent
2017-12-17 00:18
3 majors >2 majors /closed
2017-12-17 13:35
but as an igl im pretty sure cold falls short.
2017-12-17 00:22
Argentina EnvyJ 
Shox, no doubt
2017-12-16 21:39
France ManuelFerrara 
You will get back the Malvinas eventually man, fuck UK
2017-12-16 21:43
Ethiopia maddoxxxxx 
comparing (fake) rain to a god and legend of cs lul
2017-12-16 21:41
shox | 
Norway fen0m 
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France ManuelFerrara 
coming from a Norwegian then its the real truth :=)
2017-12-16 21:43
fan of g2
2017-12-16 22:28
France ManuelFerrara 
patriotism > all therefore shox > rain if he says so
2017-12-16 22:30
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2017-12-16 22:22
Haven't seen a single person say rain yet in this thread that's surprising, he's a great player but shox was just on another level entirely
2017-12-16 22:23
coldzera 2017
2017-12-16 22:24
shox all the way
2017-12-16 22:25
Israel BoyMcFacto 
Shox 2017
2017-12-16 23:12
Rain 2017
2017-12-16 23:14
Denmark Pma0121 
people still compare football players form >1950 to actual youngstars so u dumbfuck are not gonna set own opinion when the rules are clear to see that comparision is nothing bad (even in Esports)
2017-12-16 23:15
shox has highest peak in CS:GO he is top 10 best of all time but not in top3 edit: he is to inconsistent and chokes on majors
2017-12-16 23:30
flusha | 
highest peak in csgo ? XDDDDD
2017-12-17 11:36
mm yes?
2017-12-17 12:22
Have you seen late 2013 ?
2017-12-17 13:36
he has olof has no chance against shoxieJESUS
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Sweden TomodachiOM 
I don't know if you should compare these two since their playstyles are very different. But probably Shox.
2017-12-16 23:37
Shox 2013/16 He sucked in 14/15
2017-12-16 23:38
Okay yeah. Shox was as good as the monster he was in 2016 in 2014/5. Confirmed by krea^
2017-12-17 01:08
France ManuelFerrara 
you must be a newfag bro to say shox wasn’t a monster in 2014 maybe in 2015 I would agree but in 2014 he was good as fuck, he even won his first and only major that year
2017-12-17 12:53
And he wasn't even the best player when they "won" that major
2017-12-17 17:47
JW | 
Sweden JW_top1 
2017-12-17 00:31
Rain 2017. Just because 2017.
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Europe potatomato 
Rain , shox was cheating his tits off
2017-12-17 00:23
Other VeryGoodGuy 
rain 2017
2017-12-17 12:17
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
2017-12-17 12:55
Israel asafborger 
shox 2013-2014 ezpz
2017-12-17 12:57
rain | 
Kyrgyzstan coldnezz 
shox 2016
2017-12-17 12:59
Netherlands Deji 
shoxie jesus 2015 + old scream
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Rain !!!!!
2017-12-17 13:43
Spain Ali3nigena 
shox for shure
2017-12-17 15:16
Why the fuck are people thinking shox was better in 2014 lol? He was placed on top 8 in the world at the time on hltv rankings. Year before he was 13. Rain will be top 5, which is a better placing than shox has ever had, and in a much more difficult meta with more skilled players.
2017-12-17 15:17
Russia ez4u 
"Rain will be top 5, which is a better placing than shox has ever had..." shox was top3 in 2013, so nt.
2017-12-17 16:03
Brazil MommyStealer 
2013 lul
2017-12-17 17:56
Russia rainsjer 
rain 2015
2017-12-17 15:38
Bangladesh Ev1l Japan 
shox in his prime is better than cold/fer/niko/simple
2017-12-17 15:44
Russia ez4u 
shox has always been an all-round player while rain aint.
2017-12-17 15:57
Romania rainGODtop1 
shox prime niko prime s1mple prime cold prime kenny prime jez
2017-12-17 15:59
Putting anyone above kenny prime, no pal, just no.
2017-12-17 16:52
Belgium Ex666TenZ 
Ex6TenZ 2009
2017-12-17 16:02
rain | 
Netherlands ThomCS 
shox was better compared to the rest back in 2014. If Rain would have a time traveling machine and have matches vs 2014 shox. Rain would win them
2017-12-17 16:14
Rain had 1 solid year, Shox was a god from 2013-2015, literally the best rifler of that time
2017-12-17 16:34
me 2017
2017-12-17 20:24
I think Rain =3
2017-12-17 20:26
rain | 
Chile nachooww 
shox, no way
2017-12-17 20:28
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