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GuardiaN | 
Netherlands decentyoungman 
It's not FaZe's fault SK got 16-3d by Ghost and failed to qualify in the easiest region. If anything you should discredit SK, not FaZe. Yes, SK top1 right now, I know. But coming into 2018 SK will be glad to face FaZe since it's the only team they can actually consistently beat. FaZe might win everything where they don't have to play SK, and SK could go out to Astralis G2 NiP and VP. And yet people will say SK top1 because they haven't lost a bo3 to FaZe. Because logic. And SK never beating G2 in bo3 is also illegal to mention for some reason. Is G2 top1 now? If SK fails to qualify for ECS, never beats G2, nearly loses a final to Astralis with a stand-in speaking English, nearly loses a final to VP in their biggest slump, and loses a semi-final to NiP who haven't made playoffs in a year, then the #1 position might not be as clear-cut as everyone is making it out to be. I'm not saying FaZe is better, I'm saying 2018 might not be great for SK with Astralis in full form and FaZe gaining experience. Remember, FaZe is still a new team.
2017-12-18 17:13
wow this is new
2017-12-18 17:14
#97
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New Zealand PROALTO 
we´ll put a lot o * to explain how we look at CS and their rankings, that will solve 1 SK * (will have points deucted as Volvo has shit definitions for roster locks) 2 Faze ** (Beware, new team give´m a chance) 3 Astralis *** (Dev out 3 champs with stand-in) Gimme a break dude... rankings are rankings and they are what they are ... stop hoping onto Thorin´s train and deal with reality ... currently SK is #1 ... won´t last forever but its been more or less 3 years in a row!! chances are that Faze will become #1 once again until then suck up the salty tears and get a grip homie
2017-12-18 18:30
AHAHA 3 YEARS, it's been around 17 months, but you are right. You are SK fangay, not like SK fan, but fangay, cuz if you think that SK was top1 3years in a row, while in early2015 end 2014 was LDLC/nV era, in whole 2015 and start of 2016 was fnatic era, and like early end of 2016 was start of SK/LG era, so it is around 1.5 years, not 3
2017-12-18 18:42
#117
fer | 
New Zealand PROALTO 
to your content yes, probably didn´t get myself through correctly and neither did you as it has been around 22-24 weeks in the top... nevertheless it is what it is, it won´t make it any different and no, no fangay or whatever you may call the kids that support their teams beyond necessary. I´m brazilian, well educated and not gay at all, as even my kids use this forum m8, therefore go easy aye!! take care
2017-12-18 19:05
Why you fakeflagging then? Hahaa scared to show your dumbass country
2017-12-18 20:03
#167
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Canada PwnNewb 
that is his real country he lives in now. he is just lying about the not being gay and having kids bit.
2017-12-18 20:50
#233
fer | 
New Zealand PROALTO 
wow I was actually a Kiwi resident, lived there for 5 years and another 2 in Oz... and I do have kids tho hahahahaha ... nevertheless nice baiting m8 just not in the mood to engage ... maybe next time btw I´m back in brazil once again... btw who the fuck cares about Belgium for an instance for you to think that I´d give you a go ... go fish somewhere else and back to forgetdom m8
2017-12-19 13:34
#235
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Canada PwnNewb 
"just not in the mood to engage" writes paragraph n1
2017-12-19 21:15
#236
fer | 
New Zealand PROALTO 
I am entitled to, am I not ?!
2017-12-20 12:13
#247
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Canada PwnNewb 
you are entitled.
2017-12-20 20:32
da
2017-12-18 23:50
HLTV rankings have always been unofficial, despite them being treated otherwise. IE. Anyone are free to make a ranking, which is just as official (IE,l not official) as HLTV's.
2017-12-20 12:32
#2
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China Netori 
"and loses a semi-final to NiP who haven't made playoffs in a year" NiP managed to destroy faze in bo5 after that so whats your point ?
2017-12-18 17:15
#4
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Norway anMu 
going to distance basically on all 5 maps of BO5 series = destroyed 3th world brain confirmed
2017-12-18 17:17
#5
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China Netori 
Mad newfag hahahahhaahahahahhahahhahahahahahahhah
2017-12-18 17:17
#7
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Norway anMu 
Mad 12yo faggot who bought account to look smart haahahahahaahahhaha
2017-12-18 17:18
#26
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United States tediousmcgee 
nip didn't destroy faze, they just beat faze.
2017-12-18 17:28
#96
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India bozzmob 
Exactly! +1
2017-12-18 18:30
#195
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Norway anMu 
That's what I said but our mr 1xx ID thinks he is smart af
2017-12-18 23:05
#186
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United States NoKeTchup 
destroy would be 3 - 0! but it was 3-2
2017-12-18 22:13
#197
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Norway anMu 
My comment was irony to #2
2017-12-18 23:06
3rd*
2017-12-18 22:20
#196
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Norway anMu 
True sorry always I always forgot about this.
2017-12-18 23:05
Did you even finish reading that sentence? Or read the next sentence? and 3-2 = destroyed okay nvm guess ur comment makes more sense now
2017-12-18 17:17
#8
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Norway anMu 
he is 12yo autist who bought old account to "look smart". No point to argue.
2017-12-18 17:19
#30
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Brazil Noice_boyzZ 
Stfu, braindead pothead
2017-12-18 17:29
#174
fnx | 
Sweden martla 
"If SK fails to qualify for ECS, never beats G2, nearly loses a final to Astralis with a stand-in speaking English, nearly loses a final to VP in their biggest slump, and loses a semi-final to NiP who haven't made playoffs in a year" 1. during the qualifiers for ECS, SK were playing with 150 ping, with multiple standins and it was during another event. 2. SK are trash vs G2, that is definately true. but then again, G2 has hardly won anything this year compared to what FaZe and SK won. 3. yes, SK were close to losing to astralis with a standin. but at that tournament, FaZe wasnt close to losing to astralis, they LOST to astralis with a standin (although it was bo1 so not as important) 4. once again, same thing. FaZe lost to VP in their biggest slump during that tournament as well, in a bo3. SK didnt have much to prepare with boltz either. 5. SK lost to NiP, but so did FaZe. NiP was just the better team at that tournament. therefore, if SK shouldnt be top1 in the future due to the things you mentioned, then FaZe shouldnt be either. (and before you call me out on it, yes i am bored asf)
2017-12-18 21:20
#237
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Ireland Noct9rn 
first off : prntscr.com/hq01cu Astralis were not speaking english , you're swedish but don't know this? "nearly loses a final to VP in their biggest slump" (nt) - prntscr.com/hq026t "loses a semi-final to NiP who haven't made playoffs in a year" - They did lost against them , they were playing in home soil, it hyped them up (imo) they won the final against faze so ? xD LMAO I JUST REALIZED IT WASN'T YOU THAT DID TYPE THIS AHAHAH
2017-12-20 12:22
#243
fnx | 
Sweden martla 
bruhh i was like wtf haha
2017-12-20 15:04
#244
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Ireland Noct9rn 
cheers xD
2017-12-20 15:05
NiP winning 3-2 on some close maps is DESTROY, i like that logic.
2017-12-18 17:19
#15
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China Netori 
How was that close ? FaZe won all pistol rounds on cache and still barely got double digits HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
2017-12-18 17:20
i think he is trying to say nip top 1 not sure tought
2017-12-18 17:21
#63
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Finland Taynz 
Nip magic and SK got destroyed by Nip too NT braindead
2017-12-18 18:02
#130
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
the last 2 games 2 wins for SK
2017-12-18 19:48
stop with these threads, just tell urself "TIME WILL TELL", why make assumptions etc, just wait and see??......................
2017-12-18 17:19
I'm actually a prophet, soo...
2017-12-18 17:20
#72
MAJ3R | 
United States Fanzera 
I am one too.
2017-12-18 18:08
#10
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Sweden slyde123 
Great post!
2017-12-18 17:19
ty
2017-12-18 17:20
#158
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Netherlands Yak_41M 
+1 although I think SK still has a chance to win the major even with Phelps
2017-12-18 20:08
"If SK fails to qualify for ECS..." If sk won the games they were forced to use khtex and dead they would have the same points as FaZe and qualify easily
2017-12-18 17:19
if SK won against Ghost with their full lineup they would've qualified
2017-12-18 17:29
#74
MAJ3R | 
United States Fanzera 
cry is free, SK is better 300% times. Bookmark this, SK will win vs faze 10:0 next year. SK will win 2 majors and 16 more International tier 1 tournaments. I can see the future.
2017-12-18 18:10
I state a fact and a triggered SK fans starts crying, what else is new
2017-12-18 18:26
#132
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
sizz's baits LUL
2017-12-18 19:49
nice argument there
2017-12-18 19:51
#138
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
ok, now a nice argument faze doesnt win a md3 or md5 of sk in the whole year, only md1's stop saying faze top 1 faze top 1 winning mousesports? LUL
2017-12-18 19:53
find one post where I've claimed FaZe to be top 1
2017-12-18 19:54
#143
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
man, stop being hypocritical, you never said it once: man, faze deserves to be top 1?
2017-12-18 19:56
man what are you even talking about you said that I need to stop saying FaZe top 1 even tho I haven't even said that SK are clearly the #1 team atm FaZe needs to overcome their mental block against SK and NiKo needs to learn how to not tilt so easily when playing against them
2017-12-18 19:57
#148
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
man, say for me, why sk choke vs g2????? random question LUL
2017-12-18 20:00
G2 are SK's kryptonite just like SK are FaZe's and just like TSM were fnatic's when fnatic were the best there's usually at least a one team that you have a hard time playing against even if you are the best
2017-12-18 20:01
#154
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
i think sk learned to play vs g2 man, in dh masters malmo, in the inferno, 15-10, WHY THE FCKING FELPS AND FER RUSHED BANANA???????
2017-12-18 20:03
#169
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Canada PwnNewb 
because they wanted to cost me $200
2017-12-18 20:55
dude..... how retarded are you lmao
2017-12-18 22:28
#147
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
and a argument for ecs event, sk playing with dead, felps with exorbitant pings, and khtex, ecs rules is shitty, with boltz sk will be on finals.
2017-12-18 19:58
fact of the matter still is that if they had won against Ghost they would've qualified for the finals, that isn't too much to ask
2017-12-18 20:00
#150
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
what? ghost? walldell?
2017-12-18 20:01
ok
2017-12-18 20:02
#155
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
i dont have the clip, but in a match vs TS (Tempo Storm), is nuke, walldell on the duct, 4 players on the ramp, and they is aimed on secret, when the 4 players on the ramp will enter, walldell aim on ramp
2017-12-18 20:05
#13
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Switzerland Schwandi 
This is actually a good point. 2018 going to be interessting and hopefully competitive as hell.
2017-12-18 17:19
#198
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United Kingdom smsjb 
Agreed. Hopefully, we will get lots of nail biting matches
2017-12-18 23:14
lmao faze fans trying so hard to find a way to have a legit excuse AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA dude forget about rankings etc, those are just details what matters is: SK pure domination against faze xD
2017-12-18 17:20
#19
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Sweden slyde123 
He isn't wrong, but SK is still the number 1 team. Like he said, it's just not as clear cut as people say it is.
2017-12-18 17:21
how it isnt clear cut? is not like faze almost won against sk LUL astralis with device is the only team that can go head to head with SK everyday outside of that only nip magic or VP when they want to play... SK wins against faze easy every time, even this last time the score being close, the game was easy for SK, compared to other finals also epicenter easiest game of SK's life
2017-12-18 17:28
#31
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Sweden slyde123 
Yes, SK top1 right now, I know. But coming into 2018 SK will be glad to face FaZe since it's the only team they can actually consistently beat. FaZe might win everything where they don't have to play SK, and SK could go out to Astralis G2 NiP and VP. And yet people will say SK top1 because they haven't lost a bo3 to FaZe. Because of logic. And SK never beating G2 in bo3 is also illegal to mention for some reason. Is G2 top1 now? He puts it pretty good^
2017-12-18 17:29
g2 never won against SK with boltz the difference about boltz and felps is huge, its a completly different team. but still its a cs thing, the 2 best teams are clearly faze and SK so the fun part of it is when those teams go head to head who gives af if someone like astralis win sometime against faze or SK for example, still, the funniest match will be SK vs Faze, the healthy trash talk etc so stop finding excuses or crying holy shit kids nowdays are boring -.-
2017-12-18 17:33
#38
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Sweden slyde123 
I really don't care about either team, as I'm not a fan of either team or players. (Except OLOF) Now I am not yelling, I am being respectful and explaining why I believe what I believe. Now I respect your opinion but it really isn't nessecary to say "so stop finding excuses or crying" "holy shit kids nowdays are boring -.-" Because 1. I'm 23 and i'm married. So i'm not a kid. 2. I respect your opinion, I should only ask you to do the same. I understand why you think SK is top 1, I agree SK is the number 1 team rn, but I just don't think that it is 100% clear cut as people say it is.
2017-12-18 17:37
ok, fair enough sorry to be unreasonable but I dont know, is like... I just replied like that because is the normal behavior from faze fans, like, if you say "oh but sk won against faze" the first thing they say is "oh but g2.... oh but renegades.... oh but ghost...." so I'm sorry, but you understand why I'm saying that right? XD and congrats on being married
2017-12-18 17:43
#44
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Sweden slyde123 
Thank you for saying sorry I appreciate it. But yes, a lot of Faze fans are annoying. But you should realize that most of them are probably not REAL fans and only make stupid posts to get a rise out of everyone. People that try to get "Famous" on HLTV just need to stop. I don't mind FUNNY baits, as I even chuckle when I see them, but baits like Happycrank just need to stop.... But I understand, Every team gets upset sometimes! As a NIP fan its rough; c xD, but hey! Keep being reasonable and use valid points to discuss your "arguments" and at least you know that you tried to be kind and respectful!
2017-12-18 17:47
+1 thank, users like you make hltv better <3
2017-12-18 17:49
#49
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Sweden slyde123 
IarentThinkThatz :)
2017-12-18 17:50
XD <3
2017-12-18 17:57
#57
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Sweden slyde123 
TBH I just try to act respectful and kind to most people, (People that are assholes with no common sense will NOT get my respect). I act this was so that more people will "follow" in my footsteps and be kinder to other people as well!
2017-12-18 17:59
now kiss
2017-12-18 20:46
"g2 never won against SK with boltz" G2 never played against SK with boltz. Don't really see your point here.
2017-12-18 21:51
Everybody knoows that. Thats is the point. You.are saying foolish here.
2017-12-18 22:18
You seem to disagree that SK always looses to G2, which is the simple truth. The fact they benched one player doesn't change SK record against G2. You seem determined to make us think the fact they have boltz now erase their previous record against G2. In that case you can also erase the defeats the old lineup of Faze endured against SK, which you don't seem to be inclined to. It would remove a lot of credit from your beloved team, don't you think? So your statement "g2 never won against SK with boltz" is pretty much pointless. With such a way of thinking I could also say the other way around "sk with boltz never won against G2" or even something else like "sk never won against NaVi with electronic", it would be true but it would be pointless as well, as they never played against each other yet. G2 stays undefeated against SK, that is a FACT, wether they have boltz or felps and wether you like it or not, and it will stays like so until proven wrong by a future match. Please stop wanting to rewrite history. SK might be #1 atm, but as a fan you need to recognize that they are not untouchable, and that they can, sometimes, be beaten by other teams. EDIT: Like you, I support SK and recognize them as current #1, but please don't be delusional and considering them like some kind of gods. Yes they have had pretty good performance with boltz, but them loosing to Optic and other teams proove they are only humain (after all...), and one day they will eventually let their place to better teams. Have a nice day
2017-12-19 00:28
Everything you said about me is wrong. I just said that this information it was implicity in his comment, so dont need to say this thing like he didnt knew. I was being metodic. Sorry to my comment, cause i think i did take many of your time to write a big text to me. Thanks anyway
2017-12-19 04:18
Don't worry, transports are a waste of time anyways
2017-12-20 19:21
SK > g2 still cuz they didnt play each other cuz g2 cant get out of groups SK playing every semis and final
2017-12-19 06:48
#64
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Finland Taynz 
Nt
2017-12-18 18:03
"Faze is still a new team" Delete
2017-12-18 17:20
#212
NiKo | 
Chile rezuh 
The org itself isn't new, but with olof and guardian joining relatively recently, the lineup is (kinda) new, which obviously affects the entire team, since they have to adapt the players and give them time to get comfy
2017-12-18 23:56
#21
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
ECS Season 4 Finals was a low tier 2 event, get over it. 750k won’t make it a tier 1 tournament.
2017-12-18 17:22
#34
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United States tediousmcgee 
+1
2017-12-18 17:30
#108
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Europe p1peb0mb 
its was a tier 1 event because of its qualifying process.top teams from both eu and na had chance to qualify. will major be t2 if faze,g2,navi etc did't qualify? ecs was a teir event where sk,g2,vp,nip etc failed to qualify.
2017-12-18 18:48
#181
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Expected from a fan of the online gods aka Fnatic.
2017-12-18 22:01
#182
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Europe p1peb0mb 
well its the most fair format
2017-12-18 22:02
#185
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Fnatic group: Luminosity, Optic and mouz Sure, fairest format indeed LUL
2017-12-18 22:10
#201
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Europe p1peb0mb 
well its the fairest depending on the standngs they qualified.not fnatic's fault is that NA has 4 spots and luminosity and optic outperformed sk in that league.
2017-12-18 23:22
#202
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
True, sick seeding system there, using online placements to seed the teams, that’s really the fairest way to seed a group hahahahahaha Had they seeded it properly Fnatic wouldn’t get out of groups.
2017-12-18 23:29
#203
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Europe p1peb0mb 
well fnatic passed even harder group in epl finals.
2017-12-18 23:31
#204
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
because it was a bo1 group stage? Put them on a decider match or elimination match bo3 against Cloud9/Astralis and they would never get out of groups in ECS. How is a bo1 only group harder than a group with bo3s?
2017-12-18 23:38
#220
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Europe p1peb0mb 
everything is an assumption.like everyone will say fnatic are onliners and won't make it into the playoffs everytime. fnatic always made it into playoffs with this lineup except in their first tournament and will continue to do so in the major. lets see howfar c9 will go.
2017-12-19 06:37
Didn't know Belgium had dum hltv people shit man, don't make our country look bad. All top teams had a chance to qualify, so its a tier 1 event. SK not in event = tier 2? Nice logic
2017-12-18 20:07
#180
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Who is talking about only SK? Look at the field you dumbass: luminosity, optic, mousesports, Fnatic, Astralis with fucking Rubino. How is this a tier 1 event? Idgaf if everyone had a chance to qualify, the teams that qualified suck.
2017-12-18 22:00
Still tier 1, can say same about esl then lul. LG, optic, fnatic, misfits but it also is a tier 1 tournament. All good teams had a chance to qualify their fault not to
2017-12-18 23:15
#200
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
All the good teams besides G2 qualified to the lan event, not SK’s fault if they couldn’t get to the playoffs. Even so, both SK and FaZe had easy ways to the finals (don’t come saying that Fnatic is had a chance to beat faze or sk) what everyone was expecting to happen on EPL happened, which was the grand finals SK vs FaZe, and guess who won? Now let’s look at ECS: Fnatic on semis and mouz at grand finals, nice tier 1 tournament LOL
2017-12-18 23:20
Both Epl and Ecs was tier 1 tournament like it or not. Its a fact
2017-12-19 07:32
#22
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Denmark Menterx 
Thank you!
2017-12-18 17:23
#23
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Your applying logic to a scenario that doesn't exist on HLTV... What you've posted is simple common sense. If there are users out there who don't already know this, then that is their own personal, arrogant bias to battle with. SK didn't qualify for the finals, ergo their own fault they didn't attend. FaZe DID qualify for the finals, ergo they won the entire tournament with the absence of SK/NiP/Teams who can beat FaZe. Honestly, FaZe might've won but I am SUPER impressed with how good Mousesports look at the minute... They really took FaZe to the edge and didn't give up without a fight. This tournament will be remembered, for me anyway, on Mousesports alone. :)
2017-12-18 17:24
Interesting how mouz is at their best when they're playing ''relaxed'' tournaments (ESG & ECS), notably with no crowds
2017-12-18 17:27
#35
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
I'll admit, I think the lack of pressure and crowd helped them out here, but I've never seen Mousesports look so good before. Even with RUBINO as a stand-in - I assumed they would've easily beat Mousesports, but I was gladly very, very wrong. ropz and Oskar are coming into their own and Sunny was a superstar throughout the entire event. Styko had some very impactful rounds considering he's one of the weakest fraggers on the team and ChrisJ had some great calling during some key rounds. Super impressed with the Mousesports lineup right now. :) Even if they didn't win, they took FaZe to the limit and they quite literally could've finished it 2-0 if not for some crucial mistakes made; by both teams, nonetheless.
2017-12-18 17:30
That's why i hate faze fans...
2017-12-18 17:25
And that's why I hate SK fans. Even if I say SK top1, they will complain because I haven't given SK all the credit in the world.
2017-12-18 17:29
facts
2017-12-18 17:48
#83
MAJ3R | 
United States Fanzera 
#FERGODTOP1
2017-12-18 18:16
lol fact
2017-12-18 18:25
#118
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Canada _Dark__ 
fact
2017-12-18 19:06
#129
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Indonesia FinZzz 
FACTS
2017-12-18 19:46
#160
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United States Droidd 
Factsss
2017-12-18 20:09
True indeed
2017-12-18 21:52
Fax
2017-12-19 06:57
#27
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Ireland Mackey91 
+1
2017-12-18 17:28
#29
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Brazil D0ty___ 
"nearly lost VP on their slump " LOL i dont think he knows that this shitty VP eliminated faze in that tournament. Haters keep hating, we keep winning #RUNSKG
2017-12-18 17:28
It's alright, this comment will do no harm as I have already lost faith in the Brazilian community.
2017-12-18 17:31
#39
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Brazil D0ty___ 
i lost faith after trying to make everybody believe that brazilians arent toxic. But u guys dont give a F about us so we dont give a F about u guys also. Only giving back the love that u guys have for us.
2017-12-18 17:38
What are you talking about? You are one of those toxic brazilians. Just look at your comment, you left this on a post where I specifically said SK is top1, and FaZe is not better.
2017-12-18 17:42
#42
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Brazil D0ty___ 
because most of the titles that sk won after faze got this amazing roster was with them in the tournament so theres no " sk won poorly against astralis with a stand in " or " sk won against a shitty VP ". If everything was that easy, why did faze struggled so much in those? And also, faze is not a new team. They only changed 2 pieces. Sk changed one, and Taco, for example, had to play a totally diferent cs because they wanted boltz do feel part of the team. So theres no excuse. Sk is the best and faze cant beat them.
2017-12-18 17:47
How many times do I have to say that SK is indeed top1 and FaZe is not better until you understand it? Do you need reading glasses? Classic Brazilian. Unless I say something like "SK GOAT COLD GOAT FER 2ndGOAT", I will be approached with hostility. Again, I had already lost faith in Brazilian fans.
2017-12-18 17:54
#60
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Brazil D0ty___ 
i lost faith in u bro, i think u dont understand the main point LOL
2017-12-18 18:01
I don't think you understand anything.
2017-12-18 18:01
#226
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Switzerland GoTMedicine 
F
2017-12-19 07:25
#120
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Canada _Dark__ 
I don't think you understand anything.
2017-12-18 19:07
#227
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Switzerland GoTMedicine 
A
2017-12-19 07:25
#131
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Indonesia FinZzz 
I don't think you understand anything.
2017-12-18 19:48
#228
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Switzerland GoTMedicine 
G
2017-12-19 07:25
I don't think you understand anything.
2017-12-18 20:50
#229
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Switzerland GoTMedicine 
S
2017-12-19 07:25
"we keep winning" didn't know u were in sk lineup
2017-12-18 21:54
#242
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Brazil smigu 
Is normal in Brazil say "we". You can see in any sports, our players play for Brazil. Just look some MMA fighters, they always dedicate theyr victories to Brazil. Is Just about our culture. Ask SK players what they fighter for.
2017-12-20 13:06
5th map 2ot
2017-12-19 06:58
Personally, I was more impressed with mousesports this tournament. With that set of teams, it would have been a MAJOR disappointment if Faze didn't win imo. Credit to faze and all, but I don't understand why people are so hyped that they won a tournament where they were far and away the best team going in. They just did what was expected of them in my eyes, nothing special.
2017-12-18 17:47
yeah mouz were definitely the most impressive team this tournament
2017-12-18 17:48
#47
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Lithuania YungDavid 
Really like this Post, expecially because no one mentions how SK cant beat G2
2017-12-18 17:48
Even this comment got lost in the chaos No one has the answers
2017-12-20 12:28
#50
World AFNO 
Did you actually see how insane VP was playing at EPICENTER? How well dennis was doing for Astralis at Blast PRO? Where was FaZe? Oh, they got shit on by Gambit, VP and SK at EPICENTER and couldn't make it to the finals at Blast PRO. And you're stupid to even bring NiP into the conversation as they took FaZe's head in the finals as well. "Not as clear cut"... SK - 8 titles, FaZe - 4. If it was the other way around FaZe would've been the fucking best team ever, NiKo a god incarnated. Damn hypocrites with your double standards. Yes, SK loses from time to time as every other team. But they won 8 out of 9 finals they've been into. Count all of FaZe's 2nd places and see how many you get. Let me help you. It's 6. Not to mention they went out of PGL in groupstage... and chose the easy way.... let's get more firepower, let's swap players. Yet they are still failing against SK. SK is number 1 and that's clear. FaZe fans trying to push their team to a spot they don't deserve. Nothing unusual.
2017-12-18 17:52
"SK is number 1 and that's clear. FaZe fans trying to push their team to a spot they don't deserve. " I don't know what you're talking about. How have I tried to do this?
2017-12-18 17:59
#76
World AFNO 
Okay, let me correct myself: SK is CLEARLY the number 1 team. FaZe fans trying to make it seem like a close contest when SK doubles the amount of titles FaZe have won, Cold has more MVPs than both rain and NiKo combined and SK has a flawless record against FaZe throughout the entire year. Happy? How come you ignore everything else I've said to ask that? Nitpicking much? Anything to say now?
2017-12-18 18:11
#86
MAJ3R | 
United States Fanzera 
+111 put a flair of the best team of the world next to your name,
2017-12-18 18:18
Hm, no not nitpicking at all. I quoted that sentence since it sums up your entire comment; I am supposedly trying to say that FaZe is contesting SK's #1 spot. Again, I have never tried to say that. So I have no idea what you're on about.
2017-12-18 18:28
Don't play dumb, just don't. Please, that annoys me. If SK's number 1 spot is "not as clear-cut as everybody else is making it out to be" (your words) which team would you put close to them? Seeing how you're mainly hinting in your post how FaZe could beat everybody else, bla, bla... it's pretty obvious. Hence my comment. You're probably going by Thorin's logic... and if you do that'd be pretty sad.
2017-12-18 18:39
I'm not playing dumb, it's just your inability to see past your Brazilian bias. I'll just try to elaborate. SK is seen as the clear-cut #1. I then explained why it isn't as clear-cut as the statistics are showing it to be. Moving into 2018, Astralis with a full roster could be a problem for SK head-to-head, and FaZe gaining more experience could also be a problem by more consistently beating the teams that are not SK. Entendido?
2017-12-18 18:55
I'm not even Brazillian, lmao. Your FaZe-biased opinion is seeping through your thread, but now you wanna play the innocent unbiased OP, huh? Funny. You're the one claiming that FaZe "might" win every tournament where they don't meet SK.... making is sound as if FaZe is unbeatable by any other team. Reality check: they lost against Gambit, VP, NiP... lost a Bo1 against Astralis and North at Blast PRO and failed to go to the finals. And yesterday's final being as close as it was against Mous... FaZe won ECS facing C9, Fnc and mous... which is a pretty good reason to be discredited tbh... be it a lot or a little. Compare that to SK's EPICENTER win (facing VP, FaZe, Astralis and VP again) or their ECS win (Bo1 vs FaZe and G2, Bo3's against Astralis and FaZe) SK IS the clear-cut number 1 team for now and that's that. Your post is nothing more than trying to discredit them and their achievements. And people were talking shit/wondering why the SK players tweeted what they did after winning ESL. So many dickriders wanting to discredit them at every corner.
2017-12-18 19:29
Just look at yourself. "SK IS the clear-cut number 1" *brings up epicenter and ecs wins* Both of those wins were due to vp and faze choking 4v2s on match point. Does NOT sound clear-cut to me. I said FaZe might do such things in 2018, as I expect they will perform better with more experience, similar to their honeymoon period at EL and ESL NY. "FaZe won ECS facing C9, Fnc and mous... which is a pretty good reason to be discredited" SK failed to QUALIFY, by losing to GHOST. That's ALL the reasons to be discredited. And don't even bring up Blast Troll Series. FaZe were unlucky to get ties, and SK nearly lost against an English-speaking Astralis missing their star player. THE CLEAR-CUT NUMBER ONE TEAM. You're the dickrider, seeing as you're even crediting sk for winning tier 2 events, and then defending those wins pretending they actually mean anything. That's as much of a dickrider as you can get
2017-12-18 21:44
cs summit events dont fucking count big events for the whole year SK won 5 and faze won 4, the main difference being that SK ran over faze to get there literally every time Since the faze roster change in august, they are tied at 3 and 3, but the same thing still applies But dont try to make it seem like there is this massive chasm in between the teams in terms of performance because there isnt
2017-12-18 19:06
Who are you to say what counts and what doesn't? SK won 8 tournaments, this is a fact. People like you trying to take away from their success are the reason why they tweeted what they did after curb stomping FaZe at ESL. 8 titles, out of 9 finals. Deal with it. Weee, since this roster change, since that... since this and since that... Since last week both teams won 1 750k tournament each, so they're equal as well, right? But since 3 days ago FaZe is better cause they have 1 tournament win and SK 0, correct. Fuck off with that.
2017-12-18 19:36
Big events are more competitive by nature due to an extensive qualification process and the teams attending, thus more competitive, thus the wins mean more. If every LAN counted, space soldiers would be the best team in the world and xantares the undisputed god of CS. Obviously big events count more you numpty. Maybe FaZe should go to fragadelphia next year so they can put another title under their belt and make retards like you see the fault in that logic And I think changing out 40% of your team is a pretty significant point to mark the start of a comparison. Even since SK has been competing with boltz faze has tied them in events won. Its no more arbitrary to judge by roster change periods than over a period of time related to the earth moving around the sun. Is that a better and less fucking random period of time to judge by? Fuck off with your bullshit you sack-bellied strumpet SK is the number one team and have a flawless record against faze and coldzera is the best player in the world, but like I said before its not a huge gap
2017-12-18 20:01
NT but cs summit > ECS Tier1 teams on cs summit = SK, Gambit with Zeus (major Champion) Tier1 teams on ECS = Faze (Astralis with Rubino is a joke)
2017-12-18 20:59
#62
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Slovakia Denysis 
Idk. Did you SK fans even read what he wrote? He clearly wrote SK is number 1. And that 2018 could be different for them with everything he stated... No one is pushing FaZe on number 1 spot here.
2017-12-18 18:02
#84
World AFNO 
Read my reply above as it applies to you too.
2017-12-18 18:17
this guy gets it
2017-12-18 18:55
SK can't even qualify against tier4 NA teams
2017-12-18 17:51
#78
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Netherlands RincoB 
They had to play with stand-ins and at a tournament...
2017-12-18 18:14
Still tier3 teams, FaZe had to play the likes of Astralis, G2, fnatic...
2017-12-18 18:15
#52
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Brazil maximoff66 
Its not sk fault that the roster rule is bullshit
2017-12-18 17:52
Totally agree. Even the FaZe guys are tweeting at EL about it 'cause its pretty unfair. Despite the outcomes of matches & the fan wars SK & FaZe just genuinely want to play each other and build a rivalry.
2017-12-20 12:32
Faze almost lost to mouz.. what are you trying to say with this wall of letters?
2017-12-18 17:54
faze almost lost to mouz yes, what are you trying to say this short wall of letters? So did SK btw. hltv.org/matches/2314530/sk-vs-mousespor..
2017-12-18 18:05
1. Answer my question. 2. I am not the one creating SK/Faze topics. 3. I am brazilian, but I am not a SK member. I know this is hard to believe.
2017-12-18 21:07
#55
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United States Bill_Bait 
Rain cheater fanboy, nothing more to say.
2017-12-18 17:56
Boy faze is so overrated. astralis wins 2 event=top 1 tothestars g2 wins 2 event=frenc superteam no1 faze win 3 event= greatest team in the world but if u looking for the consistent and real final winner there is only one SK Gaming -Gaming is believing
2017-12-18 18:00
FaZe almost lost to botsesports LUL
2017-12-18 18:03
2017-12-18 18:05
I have no idea what's up with the anti faze comments here. faze is not even the main point of this thread, and nowhere have I said that faze is better than sk.
2017-12-18 18:07
"If SK fails to qualify for ECS, never beats G2, nearly loses a final to Astralis with a stand-in speaking English, nearly loses a final to VP in their biggest slump, and loses a semi-final to NiP who haven't made playoffs in a year" I just said that SK is not the only team that has had rather humiliating defeats
2017-12-18 18:08
Since I already said SK is top1, your comment is as obvious as it is pointless. the top2 team lost more than the top1 team? no way... Mum, camera. Fast! You should have just quoted the rest of the sentence as well as it explains the part you did quote...
2017-12-18 18:14
#161
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United States Droidd 
Getting beat by Astralis 16-14 & 16-13 is not humiliating.
2017-12-18 20:10
You just hater of faze, go get a life. Nowhere it says that faze is better. Just leave, nobody wants you here
2017-12-19 07:40
#66
dennis | 
Netherlands cock 
2longdidntread
2017-12-18 18:04
ur saying that if 1 teams beats another doesnt mean that one stronger can beat the same team its true so what leaves to us its accept the facts and rn sk top1
2017-12-18 18:07
#73
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Netherlands RincoB 
These tournaments you're mentioning Faze lost to NiP (oakland), Faze lost to VP (epicenter), Faze lost to astralis (blast).
2017-12-18 18:09
And?
2017-12-18 18:14
#208
fnx | 
Brazil woentg 
and Gambit Malmo
2017-12-18 23:47
You're probably one of those who also complained about LG becoming the best team in the world after winning their first Major Championship "because olof and GuardiaN were both injured and other good teams were in a slump", back in 2016. Am I correct? I smell a scent... the scent of *sniff* hypocrisy.
2017-12-18 18:10
#81
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Brazil spaark1 
got it
2017-12-18 18:16
#82
fnx | 
Brazil TopperMan 
sk is top 1 because they won 8 events in 2017, 3 of them being in the last 3 months. Faze is playing like shit barely winning against mouz while sk pretty much rekt everyone at Epicenter and EPL finals. And SK hasn't played G2, the only team they are yet to beat with this lineup, for like 5 months. Faze was eliminated by both NIP and VP in the last 3 months and lost to Astralis with Rubino. FUCKING RUBINO. How is Faze top 1? Not sure if you are baiting or just a delusional Faze fanboy.
2017-12-18 18:16
I am so done with these brazilians who keep implying as if I said faze top1, when I literally said the opposite. there's just no hope for you guys. I'm sure some of you are fine but most of you, including you, are hopeless
2017-12-18 18:35
#162
fnx | 
Brazil TopperMan 
"then the #1 position might not be as clear-cut as everyone is making it out to be" Seems pretty clear-cut to me. I denied everything you said in your post and you reduce it to "I never said faze is top 1". I think only you are hopeless here.
2017-12-18 20:12
#245
ropz | 
Slovakia ryderawr 
what the fuck can you read what he is writing or are you ignoring him
2017-12-20 15:10
#85
device | 
Yugoslavia mrmojo 
I agree with everything u said. People have short memories SK actually played way worse than they are playing now for most of the year and yeah this latest final against FaZe was the only worthy final they won. They sucked on majors and constantly got rekt by G2. They remain on the top spot because other teams had even worse slumps. I get sick of how hyped Fallen is getting and many people saying he deserves #2 on best players of the year when he sucked 3/4 of the year, but had two sick tournaments in the end of the year.
2017-12-18 18:17
Even tho what you said is true, can you name a team that won more than them this year? We can't , they got 8 lans, of course they won't get ALL, but come on, 8 lans, legend status in both majors even with stand-in. I cheer for FaZe but this year we can't say anything about it, maybe with had the roster change since january it would be diffent, but its not the case. So let's not be biased, we should congratulate them and expect more good matchs next year. GG SK, you deserve it.
2017-12-18 18:32
#211
fnx | 
Brazil woentg 
Sk dominated the top why he won 8 trophies this year, only to upgrade his memory. Faze was eliminated from major by Big / Flipsid3 / mousesports
2017-12-18 23:51
#87
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Russia Rusev 
DIDNT READ FaZe major groupstage exit inc anyway......................
2017-12-18 18:19
SK didnt play the last games cause they know they wouldnt be allowed to use boltz so they didnt care to play ECS
2017-12-18 18:19
it doesn't matter if SK qualified or not, a tournament without the TOP 1 will lose credit, that's for sure, and that's why even FaZe players are asking Valve to let SK play the MAJOR with their full lineup. It's not discrediting FaZe, is discrediting the tournament itself. It's easy, just imagine if SK were there with their full lineup and FaZe had won against them. Totally different hype, another weight in the scene, a new chapter in the game. Sadly it made it a tier 2 event
2017-12-18 18:21
#109
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Europe p1peb0mb 
its not like they are not invited.they failed to qualify. ecs still a t1 event no matter what even if none of faze,sk,astralis,g2,fnatic,north,nip,vp,c9,liquid,optic,mouz etc fail to qualify. every team above had a chance to qualify along with other weaker teams.its not the fault of weaker teams that stronger teams failed to qualify.if none of the above teams fail to qualify for the major,will u still consider major a t2 event????
2017-12-18 18:51
Of course, the tournament is made out by the teams, and nothing else, if you get SK + FaZe + AST + TOP4, put toghether some pcs and build a lan in your house, it will still be a tier1 CS that will be played there Players make the tournament what they are, and nothing else.
2017-12-18 18:58
#114
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Europe p1peb0mb 
its won't just like iem sydney was.it had 4 top 3 teams.it had also t3-t4 with no qualifying process for eu and na teams.it ghad qualifers for austalia and asia only.it is considered as a t2 event by hltv
2017-12-18 19:00
Are you dreaming man ? Just take a look at these matches listed with the BIGEVENTS filter... hltv.org/stats/matches?startDate=2017-05.. HLTV considered it a T1 event, T2 events don't show up in the BigEvents Filter...
2017-12-18 19:16
#163
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Europe p1peb0mb 
well i think they changed it lator. last time i check for around 2-3 months back,it was not considered as a big event eventhough it was a premier event considered by liquidepedia.
2017-12-18 20:16
If you take a closer look you'll see that liquipedia has it's own way of treating tournaments, every big event is treated as Premier even Valve Sponsored Majors, and smaller ones are called Majors... Don't know why but that's how they do it. Examples: DreamHack Open Summer 2017 (Clearly a T2 event, SK is the only T1 there, no FaZe, no Astralis) Liquipedia Tier: Major PGL Major Kraków 2017 ( THE FUCKING MAJOR!!! All T1 teams are there) Liquipedia Tier: Premier
2017-12-18 20:41
#168
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Europe p1peb0mb 
liquidepia is bad.they even consider wesg as premier event.hltv is the most accurate.earlier they used to indiacate iem sydney as t2 event which they actully are since it has 3-4 t1 teams and rest t3-t4 teams at that time. for me a t1 events must contain qualifying process for top teams even if none of them are directly invited like epl and ecs.in that way all team earn their qualification to an event. cologne and malmo were the best in that regard in my opinion.its 16 team event with many top teams and qualification process for all regions.
2017-12-18 20:53
#90
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Brazil Tafercozera 
SK wasnt playing to qualify for ecs, they were going to play it with a stand in
2017-12-18 18:21
#91
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Canada VeryWeirdGuy 
2017 Sk > 2017 Faze... they are the best team in the world. Have a weird day! -VeryWeirdGuy
2017-12-18 18:23
#218
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Netherlands Deji 
+1
2017-12-19 00:43
SK top1 indeed, thanks for agreeing
2017-12-18 18:39
#103
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Australia iPinK_Guy 
no problem
2017-12-18 18:41
SK knows there is no reason to attend tier 3 event rofl mouz in final? roflmao
2017-12-18 18:33
750.000$ event? roflmao
2017-12-18 20:57
Doesnt change the fact it was low tier event.
2017-12-18 21:07
All the T1 teams had the chance to qualify, and them not qualifying is their own fault. especially SK not being able to beat T4 us teams, no excuses
2017-12-19 00:07
Doesnt change the fact it was low tier event.
2017-12-19 00:10
xdddd
2017-12-19 14:00
#105
720 | 
World cl^ 
0/8
2017-12-18 18:43
#106
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Croatia mds818 
2016 wasn't clear cut sk #1(well imo there was no one #1) but 2017 is a different story
2017-12-18 18:44
Me lembra quando LG ganhava camp mas nao ganhava da fnatic e o resto do mundo vivia falando que LG nao era top1 pq nao tinha ganho da fnatic... Eu acho muito comico o quanto Anti SK o resto do planeta é
2017-12-18 18:47
I find it hard to believe you understood a single word considering you couldn't even reply in English. You just assumed it's hate towards SK, classic Brazilian. This is an international site, please write your comment in English. Comments in another language will be deleted.
2017-12-18 18:59
Classic Brazilian? So racist and disrespecrfull. All brazilians are talking in english here except him. Just go see if i am at the door of your house and comeback.
2017-12-18 22:23
I didn't mean he was a classic Brazilian because he spoke in Portuguese, I meant that because he automatically assumed it was SK hate. Which most Brazilians in this chat have. So yes, classic Brazilian.
2017-12-18 22:24
#119
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Brazil HitBill 
SK with Boltz is also a new team, never forget that Faze can´t win when playing vs SK
2017-12-18 19:06
#137
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North America ksp52 
they couldn't even win when felps was playing
2017-12-18 19:51
Netherlands scene ? /close
2017-12-18 19:08
FaZe can also lose to Astralis and G2 quite easily, they have only faced them once and they were both in a slump (well, for G2 just classic inconsistency). Astralis beat them with dennis and RUBINO, albeit going off. Plus the fact that FaZe were in a honeymoon period back then, dominating anyone cause they were new. North could also beat them now, mouz showed they can, 100 thieves should be able to and Gambit usually do.
2017-12-18 19:13
#126
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Brazil mrk_92 
Ohhh god! You can cry, but that will not change the fact that SK is better than FAZE. SK TOP 1 COLDZERA TOP 1
2017-12-18 19:22
#134
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North America ksp52 
SK TOP 1 COLDZERA TOP 1 we smart, we loyal, we friendly, we are from BRAZIL!
2017-12-18 19:50
#133
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North America ksp52 
faze almost lost to mousesports, relax, faze is not even in the level of sk
2017-12-18 19:49
#136
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
cry is free, sk still top 1 FAZE DOESNT WIN A MD3 OR MD5 OF SK IN THE WHOLE YEAR
2017-12-18 19:51
+1
2017-12-18 19:55
#145
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Indonesia FinZzz 
Goddamn people are mighty dumb. 1. SK is NUMBER 1 atm. Its clear. Alright we get it. 2. Faze is the 2nd best team atm. 3. Coming in to 2018, its still uncertain if sk will hold the title long enough. They'd been some sort of kryptonite against faze which atm seems like their heaviest competitor, but we will never know for sure cause then again its cs. There are still huge oppositions to be dealt with such as faze themselves, astralis, G2 (sk's kryptonite so far btw), VP, etc.
2017-12-18 19:58
Fucking hell YES that's exactly what I meant
2017-12-18 22:20
#146
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United States noobhead 
but if sk wasnt there then theyre the shittiest team coze faze won the whole tournament while SK couldn't even make it xD
2017-12-18 19:58
#156
kNgV- | 
Brazil vicTHOR 
The only truth is: SK didnt lose a single series for FaZe this year... real how do FaZe fans even dare to try to build a rivalry against SK? The relation between SK and FaZe is more like a rape than anything else...
2017-12-18 20:05
#159
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Brazil Roufas 
"If SK fails to qualify for ECS, never beats G2, nearly loses a final to Astralis with a stand-in speaking English, nearly loses a final to VP in their biggest slump, and loses a semi-final to NiP who haven't made playoffs in a year, then the #1 position might not be as clear-cut as everyone is making it out to be. I'm not saying FaZe is better, I'm saying 2018 might not be great for SK with Astralis in full form and FaZe gaining experience. Remember, FaZe is still a new team." Problem is G2 keeps getting knocked out early, VP was not that much in a "slump" that tournament as they actually got to the finals (and Faze didn't, beating Faze even iirc). NIP, did not only beat SK, they also got to IEM finals and beat Faze so, props to NIP, irrelevant here though. Astralis is forgiven. -G2 needs to actually play SK -Faze needs to get over their mental inferiority complex they have when playing SK (Karrigan and specially Niko show it off tremendously choking when playing against SK). -Device needs to anti strat Fallen like fuck to beat him (and heeey lose to Gambit afterwards ... lol I was even cheering for Astralis that time...), so I don't know if that is still their plan, what does it matter if they can beat one team if a t2 team can just shit on their heads? NIP, I don't know if we will see NIP play as good as they did in IEM Oakland, that was some scary g2 shit hitting every single fucking shot. To me it was "clear cut" ,as you said, they were the best this year, no excuses given this year will take away the credit they got. Can it be different next year? Yes and that is the beauty of it.
2017-12-18 20:09
Cry me a river
2017-12-18 21:57
lmao who the fuck is faze
2017-12-18 22:04
Apply for a job at hltv and change the rankings
2017-12-18 22:10
Why? They are correct imo. SK top 1, FaZe top 2, and Astralis top 3.
2017-12-18 22:18
its not only SK that wasn't there, Astralis had a stand-in, no North, no G2, no NiP,no VP, it was literally a tier 2 event where FaZe was the only tier 1 team.
2017-12-18 22:25
But Thorin implies it was higher level than Blast Pro Series... What a joke. His arguement is that Rubino fit well on Astralis and Dennis can't speak properly danish hahaaha
2017-12-18 23:45
SK, NIP, G2 or North. None of these were there.
2017-12-18 23:43
#207
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Peru 2loro2 
SK IS BETTER WITH FELPS -Taco +Felps
2017-12-18 23:46
#210
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Brazil MrDD 
sk won the last game against g2
2017-12-18 23:50
"Nearly loses to Astralis with a stand-in" nearly losing is diferent than losing. Yesterday FaZe game VS mouz was super close in all 3 games, and mouz is t2 at best, so that means Faze is worse than SK, since they nearly lost the finals to a T2 team (according to your logic) "Nearly losing to VP at their biggest slump" Oh, VP in their biggest slump that eliminated FaZe from EPICENTER!! Good logic boy, only proves that FaZe is worse. "loses to NiP" lost 1 series to NiP in the semifinal, and in the finals?? guess what?? Beat Faze and won the championship!! And yeah, G2 has been the only team that beats SK regularly. Only valid point you made. 1/4 argument is true, tryharder next time
2017-12-19 00:02
#214
God | 
Russia STDGod 
Not SK's fault, they had stand ins half the matches.
2017-12-19 00:02
#221
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Brazil cadik 
keep dreaming SK hater
2017-12-19 06:39
#223
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Brazil CaioOlive 
Also SK with boltz is new.
2017-12-19 06:55
SK TOP1 /closed
2017-12-19 07:46
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