"and loses a semi-final to NiP who haven't made playoffs in a year"
NiP managed to destroy faze in bo5 after that so whats your point ?
stop with these threads, just tell urself "TIME WILL TELL", why make assumptions etc, just wait and see??......................
"If SK fails to qualify for ECS..."
If sk won the games they were forced to use khtex and dead they would have the same points as FaZe and qualify easily
This is actually a good point. 2018 going to be interessting and hopefully competitive as hell.
faze fans trying so hard to find a way to have a legit excuse
dude forget about rankings etc, those are just details
what matters is: SK pure domination against faze xD
"Faze is still a new team"
ECS Season 4 Finals was a low tier 2 event, get over it. 750k won’t make it a tier 1 tournament.
Your applying logic to a scenario that doesn't exist on HLTV... What you've posted is simple common sense. If there are users out there who don't already know this, then that is their own personal, arrogant bias to battle with.
SK didn't qualify for the finals, ergo their own fault they didn't attend.
FaZe DID qualify for the finals, ergo they won the entire tournament with the absence of SK/NiP/Teams who can beat FaZe.
Honestly, FaZe might've won but I am SUPER impressed with how good Mousesports look at the minute... They really took FaZe to the edge and didn't give up without a fight. This tournament will be remembered, for me anyway, on Mousesports alone. :)
That's why i hate faze fans...
"nearly lost VP on their slump " LOL i dont think he knows that this shitty VP eliminated faze in that tournament. Haters keep hating, we keep winning #RUNSKG
Personally, I was more impressed with mousesports this tournament. With that set of teams, it would have been a MAJOR disappointment if Faze didn't win imo. Credit to faze and all, but I don't understand why people are so hyped that they won a tournament where they were far and away the best team going in. They just did what was expected of them in my eyes, nothing special.
Really like this Post, expecially because no one mentions how SK cant beat G2
Did you actually see how insane VP was playing at EPICENTER? How well dennis was doing for Astralis at Blast PRO? Where was FaZe? Oh, they got shit on by Gambit, VP and SK at EPICENTER and couldn't make it to the finals at Blast PRO. And you're stupid to even bring NiP into the conversation as they took FaZe's head in the finals as well.
"Not as clear cut"... SK - 8 titles, FaZe - 4. If it was the other way around FaZe would've been the fucking best team ever, NiKo a god incarnated. Damn hypocrites with your double standards.
Yes, SK loses from time to time as every other team. But they won 8 out of 9 finals they've been into. Count all of FaZe's 2nd places and see how many you get. Let me help you. It's 6. Not to mention they went out of PGL in groupstage... and chose the easy way.... let's get more firepower, let's swap players. Yet they are still failing against SK.
SK is number 1 and that's clear. FaZe fans trying to push their team to a spot they don't deserve. Nothing unusual.
SK can't even qualify against tier4 NA teams
Its not sk fault that the roster rule is bullshit
Faze almost lost to mouz.. what are you trying to say with this wall of letters?
Rain cheater fanboy, nothing more to say.
Boy faze is so overrated.
astralis wins 2 event=top 1 tothestars
g2 wins 2 event=frenc superteam no1
faze win 3 event= greatest team in the world
but if u looking for the consistent and real final winner
there is only one
-Gaming is believing
FaZe almost lost to botsesports LUL
ur saying that if 1 teams beats another doesnt mean that one stronger can beat the same team its true so what leaves to us its accept the facts and rn sk top1
These tournaments you're mentioning Faze lost to NiP (oakland), Faze lost to VP (epicenter), Faze lost to astralis (blast).
You're probably one of those who also complained about LG becoming the best team in the world after winning their first Major Championship "because olof and GuardiaN were both injured and other good teams were in a slump", back in 2016. Am I correct?
I smell a scent... the scent of *sniff* hypocrisy.
sk is top 1 because they won 8 events in 2017, 3 of them being in the last 3 months. Faze is playing like shit barely winning against mouz while sk pretty much rekt everyone at Epicenter and EPL finals. And SK hasn't played G2, the only team they are yet to beat with this lineup, for like 5 months. Faze was eliminated by both NIP and VP in the last 3 months and lost to Astralis with Rubino. FUCKING RUBINO. How is Faze top 1? Not sure if you are baiting or just a delusional Faze fanboy.
I agree with everything u said. People have short memories SK actually played way worse than they are playing now for most of the year and yeah this latest final against FaZe was the only worthy final they won. They sucked on majors and constantly got rekt by G2. They remain on the top spot because other teams had even worse slumps. I get sick of how hyped Fallen is getting and many people saying he deserves #2 on best players of the year when he sucked 3/4 of the year, but had two sick tournaments in the end of the year.
FaZe major groupstage exit inc anyway......................
SK didnt play the last games cause they know they wouldnt be allowed to use boltz so they didnt care to play ECS
it doesn't matter if SK qualified or not, a tournament without the TOP 1 will lose credit, that's for sure, and that's why even FaZe players are asking Valve to let SK play the MAJOR with their full lineup.
It's not discrediting FaZe, is discrediting the tournament itself.
It's easy, just imagine if SK were there with their full lineup and FaZe had won against them. Totally different hype, another weight in the scene, a new chapter in the game.
Sadly it made it a tier 2 event
SK wasnt playing to qualify for ecs, they were going to play it with a stand in
2017 Sk > 2017 Faze... they are the best team in the world.
Have a weird day!
SK knows there is no reason to attend tier 3 event rofl
mouz in final? roflmao
2016 wasn't clear cut sk #1(well imo there was no one #1) but 2017 is a different story
Me lembra quando LG ganhava camp mas nao ganhava da fnatic e o resto do mundo vivia falando que LG nao era top1 pq nao tinha ganho da fnatic...
Eu acho muito comico o quanto Anti SK o resto do planeta é
SK with Boltz is also a new team, never forget that Faze can´t win when playing vs SK
Netherlands scene ?
FaZe can also lose to Astralis and G2 quite easily, they have only faced them once and they were both in a slump (well, for G2 just classic inconsistency). Astralis beat them with dennis and RUBINO, albeit going off. Plus the fact that FaZe were in a honeymoon period back then, dominating anyone cause they were new. North could also beat them now, mouz showed they can, 100 thieves should be able to and Gambit usually do.
You can cry, but that will not change the fact that SK is better than FAZE.
SK TOP 1
COLDZERA TOP 1
faze almost lost to mousesports, relax, faze is not even in the level of sk
cry is free, sk still top 1
FAZE DOESNT WIN A MD3 OR MD5 OF SK IN THE WHOLE YEAR
Goddamn people are mighty dumb.
1. SK is NUMBER 1 atm. Its clear. Alright we get it.
2. Faze is the 2nd best team atm.
3. Coming in to 2018, its still uncertain if sk will hold the title long enough. They'd been some sort of kryptonite against faze which atm seems like their heaviest competitor, but we will never know for sure cause then again its cs. There are still huge oppositions to be dealt with such as faze themselves, astralis, G2 (sk's kryptonite so far btw), VP, etc.
but if sk wasnt there then theyre the shittiest team coze faze won the whole tournament while SK couldn't even make it xD
The only truth is: SK didnt lose a single series for FaZe this year... real how do FaZe fans even dare to try to build a rivalry against SK?
The relation between SK and FaZe is more like a rape than anything else...
"If SK fails to qualify for ECS, never beats G2, nearly loses a final to Astralis with a stand-in speaking English, nearly loses a final to VP in their biggest slump, and loses a semi-final to NiP who haven't made playoffs in a year, then the #1 position might not be as clear-cut as everyone is making it out to be. I'm not saying FaZe is better, I'm saying 2018 might not be great for SK with Astralis in full form and FaZe gaining experience. Remember, FaZe is still a new team."
Problem is G2 keeps getting knocked out early, VP was not that much in a "slump" that tournament as they actually got to the finals (and Faze didn't, beating Faze even iirc). NIP, did not only beat SK, they also got to IEM finals and beat Faze so, props to NIP, irrelevant here though. Astralis is forgiven.
-G2 needs to actually play SK
-Faze needs to get over their mental inferiority complex they have when playing SK (Karrigan and specially Niko show it off tremendously choking when playing against SK).
-Device needs to anti strat Fallen like fuck to beat him (and heeey lose to Gambit afterwards ... lol I was even cheering for Astralis that time...), so I don't know if that is still their plan, what does it matter if they can beat one team if a t2 team can just shit on their heads?
NIP, I don't know if we will see NIP play as good as they did in IEM Oakland, that was some scary g2 shit hitting every single fucking shot.
To me it was "clear cut" ,as you said, they were the best this year, no excuses given this year will take away the credit they got. Can it be different next year? Yes and that is the beauty of it.
lmao who the fuck is faze
Apply for a job at hltv and change the rankings
its not only SK that wasn't there, Astralis had a stand-in, no North, no G2, no NiP,no VP, it was literally a tier 2 event where FaZe was the only tier 1 team.
SK, NIP, G2 or North. None of these were there.
SK IS BETTER WITH FELPS
sk won the last game against g2
"Nearly loses to Astralis with a stand-in" nearly losing is diferent than losing. Yesterday FaZe game VS mouz was super close in all 3 games, and mouz is t2 at best, so that means Faze is worse than SK, since they nearly lost the finals to a T2 team (according to your logic)
"Nearly losing to VP at their biggest slump" Oh, VP in their biggest slump that eliminated FaZe from EPICENTER!! Good logic boy, only proves that FaZe is worse.
"loses to NiP" lost 1 series to NiP in the semifinal, and in the finals?? guess what?? Beat Faze and won the championship!!
And yeah, G2 has been the only team that beats SK regularly. Only valid point you made.
1/4 argument is true, tryharder next time
Not SK's fault, they had stand ins half the matches.
Also SK with boltz is new.